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June 4, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Welcome to the Dellingpod with me, James Dellingpole.
	And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I'm really looking forward to this podcast with my fellow James, James Perloff.
	Welcome to the Delling Pod, James.
	There's so much I want to talk to you about.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for having me on.
	I'm delighted to have a chance to be on another UK broadcast.
	I've been on Richie Allen, maybe a couple of others, but mostly in the US.
	Well, yeah.
	I suspect, having looked into some of your writing, that you've been on a similar James journey to me, but your journey has taken place earlier than mine, because you've been writing about what are loosely called, dismissed as conspiracy theories, since when?
	1985 is when I wrote my first article in the New American Magazine.
	1978 was when I woke up, or as we say, got red-pilled from reading Gary Allen's book, Nondead Called a Conspiracy, and he laid out, you know, how the Federal Reserve was founded, how we got into World War I through the Lusitania.
	He talked about the Council on Foreign Relations, the different wars, the drive for world government.
	He didn't cover everything, but he covered enough that it was a big wake-up call for me.
	Unlike what my public school books were teaching, history was not unfolding by chance.
	It wasn't just like a war just happened, but the wars were following an agenda with an ultimate goal of world government, which we're seeing fulfilled now with consolidation of power under the World Economic Forum and consolidation of policies, media, the reaction to whether it's Ukraine, climate change, or COVID.
	They're all marching to the same beat and all of it is leading to globalization.
	Yeah, I'm totally with you on that.
	So how old were you when you got red-pilled by that book?
	27.
	Okay, so you had 27 years leading up to that point as what we might call a normie.
	Did you have a normal job up to that point?
	A normal what after that point?
	A normal job, a normal career.
	What were you doing when you got... Oh, I was a registered nurse and Um, but my ambition was to be a writer.
	I'd been writing since my teens.
	Um, and, uh, uh, that was where my, my greater gifts, uh, lay, but I, I, uh, it's hard to make a career out of being a writer.
	Nursing, I was a nurse for 45 years in Massachusetts.
	She gave me a little insights to write my book on COVID, which was Amazon's number one bestseller for two months, um, in the category of respiratory diseases before they sent it.
	It alternated with Gigi Mikvitch's book as a number one Bestseller.
	But yeah, I worked as a registered nurse for 45 years, but I started in 1975.
	But I retired in 2019, just before COVID struck.
	But I'm still writing, of course, and I started writing as a professional journalist with the New American Magazine in 1985.
	This is a magazine of the John Birch Society, which was a chief promoter, I think, of nondracological conspiracy.
	That's where I initially found a base to write from, but now I blog independently.
	That's interesting.
	So when you went into nursing, presumably you believed at the time in the medical establishment paradigm that this medicine was modern and good for patients and so on.
	Right.
	Well, in those days it was more so.
	And I had no suspicions about the political or medical establishment when I graduated from nursing school in 1975, Boston University School of Nursing.
	It wasn't until 1978 that I started to work out the political realities, but the medical realities didn't start coming to light for me until 1991 when my hospital, which is one of the largest ones in Greater Boston, Insisted we all take a hepatitis B vaccine.
	Actually, the chances of getting hepatitis B as a medical worker were astronomically low, because you only could get it from an exchange of bodily fluids through sex with an infected person or with a dirty needle.
	But we no longer were recapping our needles.
	We just dropped them in a drop box.
	There was almost no chance of getting hepatitis B. And they insisted housekeepers get it as well, this hepatitis B vaccine.
	They had a special meeting in the auditorium, the hospital's auditorium about this, and I said, well, why do housekeepers need the hepatitis B vaccine?
	They don't touch needles and they don't touch patients.
	I said, well, what if some lazy nurse leaves an uncapped needle on the bed and the housekeeper's making the bed and you get stuck?
	And I thought, that's ridiculous.
	That would be an extremely unlikely event, but even if it did happen, what are the odds of that needle having hepatitis B virus on it?
	You know, the odds had to be billions to one, and one of our young housekeepers collapsed after getting the hepatitis V vaccine.
	We had to labor out in a bed in a vacant patient room.
	And I went to my superiors and I said, well, I'm not taking this vaccine.
	Three shots they want to take.
	I said, the chances of getting hepatitis V are so minimal.
	I just don't think I put my trust in these shots.
	And they said, well, you have to sign a waiver.
	So I signed the waiver.
	But this was before the internet, but a mental note to myself, I'm I need to look more into vaccines at some point.
	I said, something's going on with vaccines.
	This isn't right.
	We're supposed to do things that are logical in medicine.
	And it was about 10 years later with the advent of the internet and discovery that I'd had some reactions to vaccines as a child that I started to investigate vaccines, saw the link between autism.
	And now, of course, with the mRNA vaccines, it's on a whole new plateau with sudden death of myocarditis and the young and so forth.
	So yeah, now I'm awake, but no, initially I was not.
	Sorry, I gave kind of... No, no, that was the kind of answer I wanted.
	So, as you know, because you've presumably been trying to red pill people like I have over the years, it's not simply enough to give them the facts.
	There's got to be a kind of willingness in the mind to absorb this information and take it seriously.
	I'll give you an example of this.
	I was at a party.
	The other day, and I got talking to two pillars of the local establishment about Ukraine.
	And I started trying to explain to them, perfectly reasonably, I thought that actually, the Russians had a very reasonable casus belli, that this war had been provoked and that, you know, the stuff that you and I would probably most Viewers and listeners would take for granted as being factually accurate.
	And these people, these two people, just laughed in my face.
	I mean, I've never had anyone laugh in my face before.
	They laughed at me like I was a fool, like I was so gullible.
	And one of these chaps cited the book that turned you into, took you down the rabbit hole.
	None dare call it conspiracy.
	And he said, yes, I read it a few years ago in a hotel room when I was bored.
	I just thought it was just ridiculous, perfectly ridiculous.
	So I was wondering what it was when you read that book that made you receptive to the ideas in it.
	Well, it made sense and it made sense of history and you saw the patterns of history fit this model perfectly.
	So, somehow it registered for me.
	It didn't register for this individual you were talking to.
	I don't know what his mindset was.
	Well, he's ex-army.
	You might say he was less open-minded.
	Evidently, he was less open-minded towards the facts.
	He was a guards officer, which gives you an idea.
	I mean, this guy had been brainwashed at Sandhurst and elsewhere.
	A lot of people who are where we are, we all ask ourselves, what is it about us that makes us immune to the nonsense all around us?
	Why are so many other people brainwashed?
	What makes us different?
	Have you ever thought about that about yourself?
	Well, I guess for one thing, we're all individuals and Different capacities and different mindsets and different upbringings.
	So it's hard to pinpoint.
	I guess I'd have to say thank God that I was able to see the truth.
	I want to mention something, by the way.
	In finding Nondead Call Conspiracy, the reason I read the book was I saw a girl reading the book.
	And without speaking to the girl, I don't think I was in a position to speak to her at the time, I just looked at the cover.
	And something told me you have to get a hold of that book.
	And then I walked into a street, I'm sorry, a bookstore on Massachusetts Avenue in Boston, and right there on the shelf was an Undercover Conspiracy.
	And it was right there.
	And so I bought a copy and opened it up and it opened my eyes.
	But obviously, there are other people who don't.
	You know, one of the things that Gary Allen did that was very effective, he didn't just give you a couple of talking points.
	He actually summarized quite a bit of history and he documented it as well.
	And, you know, my own experience is that you can't convince somebody with a brief water cooler conversation at work.
	You pretty much have to give them a trove of facts.
	And so, for example, my book, Truth is a Lonely Warrior, which came out 10 years ago and supplemented by my Another volume, which is kind of a companion book, 13 Pieces of the Jigsaw.
	I cover in great detail, you know, the Federal Reserve, the Council for Relations, the false flags, the Lusitania, the sinking of the Maine, which brought in the Spanish-American War and what was going on in that war.
	And you see the same people behind it.
	You know, Ferdinand Lundberg wrote a book in 1937.
	I have it here somewhere, my copy.
	He was an eminent financial journalist.
	He wrote his book 40 years before Gary Allen wrote his, and he documented from the financial records that an oligarchy, not the voters, were controlling America.
	And he did this for the financial records.
	He showed that America's top 60 families had a controlling interest or complete ownership of the major industries, that they owned the media, and he went from coast to coast, and he went by newspaper to newspaper, and newspaper chain to newspaper chain.
	He demonstrated that they, in fact, owned the media, most of it, not all of it, but most of it, so that they can control the narrative and that they're also picking presidential candidates before the nomination conventions took place.
	And again, it was all documented.
	Nobody's ever refuted the book.
	It's hard to find the book.
	You know, I have an old library copy in my collection, but an amazing book shows, you know, what really happened to the panic of 1907.
	What was really happening in the Spanish-American War and from a 1937 viewpoint, it was pretty amazing.
	It was comparable to Gary Allen's book in its day.
	But anyway, for me, showing people all the facts, you know, the EMFs, the chemtrails, the vaccines, the depopulation quotes you hear from Bill Gates and Ted Turner and Robert McNamara, the former head of the the depopulation quotes you hear from Bill Gates and Ted Turner and Robert McNamara, the former head of the World Bank, Bertrand Russell, and others talking about having the
	And then you see the vaccines and all the deaths that go unreported in the mainstream media.
	You know, after a while, when you get into this stuff and you see in the central banking, the CBDCs that they're planning and the Great Reset and how they dominate their own members, dominate the cabinets, which is very documentable.
	In fact, my first book, which came out in 1988, The Shadows of Power.
	Oh, here it is.
	Still selling on Amazon, although it's way overpriced.
	You pay about 40 bucks for a new copy on Amazon nowadays.
	But I documented in that book that the establishment, the oligarchs, were putting their own people into the presidential cabinets of American presidents, whether they were Republican or Democrat.
	And I went administration by administration, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, and Reagan, who was the last president at the time this book was presented.
	I showed how many of them came from the Council on Foreign Relations and how many came from the Trilateral Commission, which is sort of a sister organization.
	And it couldn't be a coincidence.
	President John F. Kennedy is one of our better presidents.
	One said, well, how come I always see the same list of names every time I need to make an appointment?
	They're coming to the Council on Foreign Relations.
	It's very easily documentable that they've dominated the cabinet.
	In fact, on my book, Truth of a Lonely Warrior, in the back I wrote, since its 1921 founding, Whitswell Organization has produced 21 Secretaries of Defense, 19 Treasury Secretaries, 18 Secretaries of State, and 16 CIA Directors.
	Of course, the numbers have gone up a little since then, and about half of Biden's cabinet is from the Council on Foreign Relations.
	It's very obvious that one reason why our policies don't change much from administration to administration, even though they changed from Republican to Democrat and back again, is that they're coming from the same organization, which has the same outlook.
	So, our trade policies don't change, our war policies don't change, our Federal Reserve policies don't change.
	It's the same people running the show.
	Yes.
	And I imagine you have the same Pretty much the same dilemma in England.
	Well, we do.
	I think that probably there has not been a time in the life of anyone living, or indeed probably a time... We're probably looking back hundreds of years even, aren't we?
	Where there's a time where politicians were not merely the puppets of this oligarchy.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, an interesting thing.
	I grew up in Lexington, Massachusetts, which is the town where the American Revolution against Britain began.
	And, you know, one day, after being a writer for some years, I'd never written on the Revolution, but my son asked me if we could go on a tour of Lexington and Concord where the war began.
	And as I started hearing the tour guides say things that didn't make a lot of sense, So, you know, I need to investigate a little bit more.
	You know, there's always this mystery about who fired the shot around the world.
	As I investigated, I realized that the events that took place in my hometown of Lexington were carefully planned by Freemasons.
	You know, Paul Revere, I'm sure you've heard of him.
	His famous midnight ride warning that the British were coming or the Redcoats were coming.
	He was sent on his ride by Charles, Dr. Charles Warren, And he rode out to my town of Lexington to a house about 200 yards behind the green where the battle would take place the next morning.
	And he met there with John Hancock and Sam Adams.
	Well, it turns out, and another writer was sent to that house by Warren, just in case Revere didn't make his name as Charles Dawes.
	Well, it turns out that Revere and Hancock and Dawes and Warren were all members of the same Freemasonic Lodge, St.
	Andrew's Lodge in Boston, which met at the green Dragon Tavern.
	You never hear about that in history books.
	There was a definite plot to trap the British.
	American patriots won't like my saying this, and I have to tip my hat to American patriots.
	Our, you know, our Trumpsters and our constitutionalists are the best defenders of freedom in America right now, but there are some misconceptions about the founding of America.
	It was intended to use the Lexington militia as cannon fodder, and the British were tricked into firing Uh, by, uh, Freemasons who were concealed in the bushes and behind a wall.
	They fired, but they didn't hit any British soldiers.
	Uh, all the shots missed, but the British didn't realize what was going on.
	They, uh, they just without waiting for orders, they just spontaneously started firing.
	And, uh, 17 members of the Lexington militia were killed or wounded.
	And the British only suffered one minor wound, uh, private named Johnson, who he was, the wound was so minor he was able to continue his march.
	Well, this is exactly what Sam Adams wanted.
	He attended the Continental Congress of 1774, eager for war with Britain, and he tried to push for that war, but the other delegates were not eager.
	And so, Sam Adams said, well, supposing a battle breaks out between Americans and British in Massachusetts, would you come to our aid?
	And the other delegates were suspicious from other states, and they said, well, only if the British fire first.
	So, Sam Adams had to set up a situation Where it would appear that the British fired first, actually the Americans fired first, but they used the election militias cannon fodder.
	It was a Freemasonic event and just part of a long-term plan to destroy monarchies.
	You know, they used the monarchies of Spain and France and England to settle the New World and then the Freemasons and the anti-monarchists moved in as As soon as the French and Indian War was over, in which the British and the Americans were allies, Britain instantly, 1763, became an enemy.
	And St.
	Adam's began saying that Britain's taxation policies were slavery, very mild.
	The first British tax imposed on Americans was the Molasses Tax, also called the Sugar Act of 1763.
	And the only reason the Britons put that minor tax on Americans was because Britain's national debt had doubled by the end of the French and Indian War, and we Americans were the main beneficiaries, and the British citizens felt that, you know, Americans as British citizens at that time should pay their fair share.
	British taxation policy was very mild, and in fact, in 1775, when the war broke out, there was only one British tax on Americans.
	That was a tax of three cents on a pound of tea, and that was it.
	There was no other taxes.
	That was just a customs duty.
	It was very mild, but it resulted in the Boston Tea Party, where all the tea was thrown into the ocean by the Freemasons dressed up as Indians.
	And so, actually, that was the first blow of the New World Order that shot around the world.
	And it led to, subsequently, of course, the French Revolution, which was definitely, absolutely a Freemasonic event, and other Freemasonic wars in Italy, Portugal.
	Casting off the monarchs, who the Rothschilds knew they couldn't intermarry with those families, so they had to set up democracies and republics whose prime ministers would be easily dictated by them because they control the media, they control Reuters, which in turn owns Associated Press.
	And so the New World Order gradually evolved from that point.
	The whole thing was anti-monarchical because they had to get rid of the monarchs, except those like in England where they compromised with the Rothschilds and the New World Order.
	So they could set up their system, which has now fallen into the hands of Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum, where they're dominating the cabinets of administrations worldwide, just as in my book, The Shadows of Power, just as in my book, The Shadows of Power, 36 years ago.
	I documented that it was being done on an American level.
	Now it's worldwide and we're very swiftly being carried forward by whatever agenda they want.
	And they can do it easily because not only do they control the politicians, but they have such control of the mainstream media.
	So whether it's COVID or Yes.
	I wanted to congratulate you, by the way.
	work in lockstep and the public who those people of the public who are not um uh red-pilled or not watched alternative media and all they do is turn on the tv set they go along with the program yes um i wanted to congratulate you by the way on um i think i was just reading your your latest book missing saints missing miracles and what i really liked was the way that you summarized um very succinctly um and sort
	of unemotionally uh Who it is, what the situation is, what the New World Order is, and who it is that runs the world.
	And I'll just read it out, because you probably haven't got it to hand.
	For those unfamiliar with the concept, I'll put it concisely.
	In reality, America and many other countries are chiefly run by wealthy oligarchs who conceal themselves behind the facade of democracy.
	Voting gives the public the illusion that the people are in charge.
	Over the decades, through the power of wealth, the oligarchs have consolidated their domination of governments, industry, banks and media.
	It may be stated categorically that these oligarchs have long been seeking to establish a world government and are no friends of Christianity.
	Now, what I like about that paragraph is that it puts it in the kind of language that even a normie could accept as not being too outlandish.
	Your language there doesn't frighten the horses and it does state the situation.
	But how far back do you think this goes?
	Are we talking Babylonian era?
	Are we talking pharaohs?
	What?
	I guess it's sort of eternally.
	I always like to say that, and I think I said it in this most recent book as well, that politics and geopolitics, wars and so forth, are basically spiritual warfare carried out on the human plane.
	We know in the Bible, which goes back to the time of Christ and before, that there is a long-term battle between satanic forces and the forces of God.
	And I have to say, it's sort of, I guess you might even say it began in the Garden of Eden.
	Now, this particular phase that we're talking about with the All-Arch One in America, because America wasn't settled and began getting settled around the 1600s, you know, and during the Elizabethan era.
	And it was Francis Bacon who called America the New Atlantis,
	Secular societies were very delighted when America was discovered because they looked on America as, here's this basically uninhabited continent except for the Native Americans, and they looked on this as the lost Atlantis that God had destroyed with the flood, the great deluge described in the Bible, and so they wanted to make America sort of the starting point to overthrow the existing order, the Christian order, you know, many of the
	Monarchs of Europe would style themselves as defenders of the faith.
	So the Tsars of Russia saw themselves that way.
	And of course, the British coins used to have St.
	George slaying, I suppose they still do, I don't know, St.
	George slaying the dragon and Fidef, the defender of the faith.
	They wanted to destroy that system using America as a starting point.
	But I have to really say that the battle between the forces of good and evil Certainly goes back to biblical times in the early Christian Church when the Romans had been overtaken by the concept of these pagan gods who were really demonic.
	You have the tales of when I read the Synaxarium, which is the 4,000 pages of the Lies of the Saints of the Orthodox Church, the church that I joined in 2017, sometimes they would destroy a statue of a The Roman god Apollo and a demon or a dragon would emerge from it.
	So these were demonic forces that Christ, when Christ was born, there were some very dark forces in the world.
	And of course, Christianity was long in a duel with Judaism and the Hebrews, especially the, I'm referring to the Talmudic ones, you know, I'm half Jewish myself, but my father was He was of Jewish lineage.
	He was a totally non-practicing Jew.
	I've never been in a synagogue in my life.
	I didn't even know he was Jewish until I was 21 years old.
	He didn't like to talk about it.
	All his friends were Gentiles.
	You know, he just was completely Americanized.
	But there are groups such as Chabad, B'nai B'rith, and the Likud party in Israel which are centered on Jewish domination.
	They've played certainly a great role themselves since the time of Christ in trying to subvert Christianity and Today, you see that they advocate Jewish supremacy, but again, I want to really stress that this is not true of all Jews at all.
	I know quite a few Jews who are not at least interested in the Rothschilds, or banking, or Israel, or Zionism.
	In fact, there are Jewish organizations like Maturi Karta, which is a big group of Orthodox Jews who are openly opposed to Israel.
	They've taken out ads in the New York Times expressing their disgust with the state of Israel and their oppression of the Palestinians.
	So, it's not worldwide And it's not just the Jews, you know, the Rockefellers and the Morgans working for them, you know, and so, but it is the... Yeah, are the Rockefellers, and I can never work this one out, the Rockefellers and the Morgans and so on, are they Jewish?
	Are they not Jewish?
	Some people said that the Rockefellers had some Jewish blood in them, but I don't put a lot of stock in the significance of that, if it was true, but it's said that the Rothschilds, who are certainly Jewish and take great pride in being Jewish, Provided seed money for John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Corporation, and that they also convinced the Bank of England to bail out J.P.
	Morgan and Company when his firm was in trouble in the 19th century.
	A couple of J.P.
	Morgans, one died, I believe it was 1913, then his son took over, J.P.
	Morgan Jr.
	But they were dominant forces in establishing the Council on Foreign Relations, which I wrote my book about, I mentioned Shadows of Power.
	If you look at the Council of Foreign Relations, the original president was J.P.
	Morgan's personal attorney, and the original vice president was Paul Cravath, who was also a Morgan attorney, and the original chairman was Russell Leffenwell, who was a Morgan attorney, and then the Rockefellers started bringing their people into the council in 1927, and David Rockefeller was the chairman of the Council of Foreign Relations in 1970 and 1987, and then the honorary chairman until he died at the age of 101.
	And if you look at the leadership of the council, it's all bankers.
	And it's like, you have to wonder how come throughout all these decades, American foreign policy has been dictated by bankers from Goldman Sachs and places like that.
	These people don't have training and diplomas.
	What they do is they take a few study groups and attend some dinners at the Council of Foreign Relations, then they're qualified.
	Then they go into the presidential cabinets.
	But they're not people with our best interests at heart here in America.
	They're serving the interests of the oligarchs.
	No, I'd certainly agree with that.
	There's so many different directions we could go here.
	You mentioned David Rockefeller.
	The Rockefeller dynasty, certainly the ones who figure prominently in history, seem to be of a psychopathic Malthusian I mean, David Rockefeller, his grubby fingerprints are all over a lot of the kind of New World Order policy.
	I mean, I don't know much... He seems a really nasty piece of work.
	I mean, like his... Was it his grandfather that founded Standard Oil?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	John Dee.
	I mean, John Dee, he looks like, he just, he doesn't look human.
	I mean, in his older photographs, he looks like, like he's a different, like he's a lizard creature, doesn't he?
	You must have seen those photographs.
	Oh, yes.
	Those have been commented on, although I guess none of us look too great when we're 101 or 90.
	He actually died at 99.
	David Ruckerfeller was 101.
	They obviously, I think it's probable that they had, you know, access to, methods of keeping themselves alive longer.
	Yes.
	Not the eternal life that they would have.
	Human, but these drugs you're thinking.
	Yes.
	As a matter of fact, it's said that the Rockefeller Foundation funded work at medical schools that was partly designed to help that family and those high ranking members of that family I mean, surely Mr. Burns from The Simpsons is based on those Rockefellers?
	Oh, yeah, I've heard that many times.
	Yeah, I made a meme of Jacob Rothschild watching The Simpsons so he can find out what he's supposed to do next because it's so predictive.
	Thing is, I love Mr Burns in The Simpsons.
	He's kind of my favourite character.
	He's a kind of, sort of almost a lovable, lovable in his shameless, shameless evil.
	But when it's these guys actually doing this stuff to us, by the way, I mean, I don't know whether there is a kind of, whether this conspiracy is Jewish driven, but I do know that The majority of, you know, there are more Jewish victims of the conspiracy than there are actual Jews responsible for it.
	I think we're all, it's kind of us, us for all of us versus a tiny number of them, isn't it?
	I would say that's true.
	The high ranking Jews do call the, you know, people like would be my father, for example, who grew up in a Jewish orphanage, by the way, they would call them their lesser brethren.
	And they're Somewhat protective of them, but yeah, they're certainly more loyal to their elite leadership.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, you've also been on a kind of journey of faith.
	I think Born of I mean partly of despair or rather your new book is born is born partly of despair and that you've come to realize if I can summarize that the situation is now so dire.
	These people are so entrenched that really at this point only God has the power to save us.
	Is that is that fair enough?
	I think that's true and Yeah, that's the last book of Missing Saints, Missing Miracles, the first truly spiritual book that I'd written because it's become obvious that because the oligarchs control the government, the media, the intelligence services, and most of the police, that we're not going to vote them out.
	You know, the last election in America was a complete fraud between the Dominion voting machines.
	Electronic voting is very dangerous.
	The way they used to count votes in America was that they count the paper ballots and they'd have representatives of each party there, maybe a policeman and a representative of the League of Women Voters.
	So it might make a mistake in the count, but it'd be minor locally.
	But then when you put it into a, have it counted by computers, you know, it's very, very easy to put a hidden code in that computer that'll transfer millions of votes from one person to another.
	The other thing was Dinesh D'Souza, a conservative spokesman here in America, They put together a documentary called 2,000 Mules, and they have incredible documentation.
	They show that after midnight, the ballot boxes were stuffed with these so-called mail-in votes by people who would stop at Democratic Party headquarters, and many of them were caught on camera.
	These are public cameras, and they hired an investigation company to be able to identify many of these people through their cell phones and watch them going from Dropbox, Dropbox, or like, for example, in the state of Georgia, Trump had declared the winner by 57 to 43% that evening of the election.
	Yet overnight, about a quarter of a million Biden votes were stuffed into these boxes.
	And then Trump took it, I believe it was by, I'm sorry, Biden won this day, I believe it was by 7,000 votes.
	Arizona, same thing, a quarter of a million Biden votes stuffed in there.
	Now, John F. Kennedy, who is very popular, lost To his Republican rival when he lost by 10 percentage points in Arizona.
	We're trying to tell me that Joe Biden is more popular than John F. Kennedy?
	No way!
	How did he win in a state that always votes Republican?
	It was through cheating.
	So we're not going to vote them out.
	So you look at the situation and I just don't think that, you know, even if people tried to organize a worldwide revolt, you know, that the Intel servers would be reading the emails and intercepting the phone calls.
	Very hard to do.
	So what an uphill battle.
	So I really feel that we know that these people are guided by satanic influences, but God is superior to Satan.
	He does lay out in the book of Revelation a period of dark time under the Antichrist.
	And it seems like we're headed into that with your you-can't-buy-or-sell digital IDs that are, you know, increasingly coming into play, you know, digital tattoos that'll have your vaccine record on it and your financial record on it.
	And that's coming from the Rice School of Bioengineering.
	It's on their website.
	I quoted it in my book on COVID-19 and the agendas to become red-pilled.
	And in Sweden, there's a company called Disruptive Subdermals that's developed a microchip that goes under your skin and a smartphone can read a PDF of your vaccine record from that.
	And, you know, a lot of places in Europe were saying you couldn't go into a store to buy anything without being vaccinated.
	That's getting awfully close to the mark of the beast, you know, if you've got a microchip or a digital tattoo.
	We're really headed into the end time.
	So I did feel in writing this last book that it was, we needed to appeal for divine intervention.
	You know, there was a case in the Bible where the prophet Jonah went to the city of Nineveh where God had prophesied doom.
	And when the people listened to Jonah, they repented and God relented and he took away that prophecy of doom.
	I would love to see that happen.
	By the way, there is one scenario that some people believe could happen politically, which is that patriotic military members could step up and have a coup and throw out these bad governments.
	But I'm afraid they've been, through attrition, they've been getting rid of good soldiers and replacing them with bad officers around the top.
	So I don't particularly feel hopeful that that's going to happen.
	But sure, other than that, I feel that we need divine intervention.
	Yeah, a call for us to repentance and to obey God that he might either shorten the time of our woes or maybe, you know, cause these rascals to fall into their own trap and have such a worldwide awakening that they do lose their, in this attempt to oppose the Great Reset on us.
	Yeah, it would be nice, certainly, if he decided to have mercy and cut short the tribulation.
	Because, I mean, reading my book of Revelation, it ain't pretty, the stuff that awaits us.
	And I kind of feel slightly cheated on this score, because I'm a Christian, like you, and I try and do the right thing, and I try and obey God's Word.
	And it's a bit, I mean, I know he lays out the deal.
	I know that they lay out the deal.
	Jesus warns us of what's coming.
	But it is a bit tough, isn't it?
	Being sort of on God's side and nevertheless having to suffer because of all the stuff that the other people do, the bad people.
	Absolutely true.
	And that's why one of my books is called Truth is a Lonely Warrior.
	And I know, you know, I hang out with We call truthers in my area around Boston.
	You know, we get together from time to time, and I know two people that got divorced.
	A man who divorced his wife.
	He put up a poster about 9-11.
	She'd rip it down.
	I mean, and there was another woman.
	She was red-pilled.
	Her husband was totally blue-pilled, and it got so intense that they finally had to separate.
	So, Jesus said, you know, there would be Family members turning against each other.
	But this really isn't just about politics and 9-11 and things like that.
	It's all spiritual warfare that's been taking place with Satan really building this kingdom.
	You know, on the back of the U.S.
	dollar bill, you'll see there's a pyramid, which is not an American symbol at all.
	It's a Freemasonic symbol.
	And at the top is this all-seeing eye, which appears to be Satan's eye.
	And the pyramid isn't finished, and apparently the symbolism is that when the pyramid reaches the eye, that's when they'll have their New World Order, that's when the Antichrist will reign.
	But the Bible does give us some comfort in promising that the reign of the Antichrist will be three and a half years or 1,260 days.
	And it's interesting that Jesus, His ministry lasted for about three and a half years.
	It's almost as if God is saying to Satan, okay, I'll give you the same amount of time That I gave my son to rule over the earth and do your worst, but when the three and a half years are up, you're toast.
	You're not going to get more than the time that Jesus had.
	It's interesting they've set this date of 2030.
	Now, according to the Orthodox Church, and I can't say that they're absolutely right in this, Jesus was crucified in 33 AD, and it's said that the reason why Freemasonry has 33 degrees Because they're celebrating the death of Jesus, they're seeing this as a victory, which it is not.
	But it's interesting to have this agenda 2030, and the World Economic Forum is saying, it's 2030, you'll have no privacy, you'll own nothing.
	It's almost as if 2030 is a target date for the Antichrist to begin his rule.
	I may be totally wrong, and I'm just speculating, but that would be 2,000 years after Jesus began his reign, and then 2033, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the return of Christ for the Second Coming.
	But I shouldn't play with numbers too much because Jesus did say that nobody knows the day and the hour except the Father in the Bible.
	Yes.
	He did.
	He did.
	Yes.
	I was very interested that you, most of your Christian life, you were, what, sort of evangelical Christian?
	That's all I knew, yeah.
	And what you hadn't realized were these aspects of Christianity, which have kind of been suppressed because of the tradition of Sola Scritura, thanks to Martin Luther, that
	The Protestant branch of the Church, at least, encourages us to believe that all this kind of accumulated ceremonial and tradition is corrupting of God's Word, and that we should only stick to what's in the Bible and the Scriptures.
	But you've discovered a new dimension since.
	Yeah, that's absolutely true.
	Well, in the evangelical churches, one thing that happened was I've written a blog post about this, which is also a chapter in my book, 13 Pieces of the Jigsaw on Christian Zionism.
	I went to the evangelical churches because they were conservative.
	They were against abortion.
	They were in favor of traditional marriage.
	Of course, they'd be against transgenderism, which has emerged recently.
	But then I started hearing things, pro-Israel talk, and I'd learned that Israel It's not the rebirth of biblical Israel.
	It's actually Tel Aviv has been voted the most pro-gay city on earth.
	And I realized that when the Apostle Paul talks about the man of law, he says the return of Christ won't come until the man of lawlessness revealed will set himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
	I realized that and there's this whole plan to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
	And, you know, Trump was pushing for a recognition of Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, is Israel's capital.
	You see all this drive for this taking place.
	Well, this being espoused in the churches I was going to, very pro-Israel, and then also a lot of support for America's Middle East wars, you know, talking about how the people that sold our soldiers to Iraq were defending our freedoms.
	Well, even George Bush didn't say that.
	He said we're going there to get weapons of mass destruction, which turned out we didn't find, and yet we stayed there for eight years.
	And The patriotic talk I was hearing, it was kind of like Uncle Sam was getting all mixed up with Jesus.
	And I, I started so frustrated.
	I heard so many things that I knew writing on history for years that weren't true, that I kind of had to get out of there.
	I was a day, I took my son.
	I said, son, we got to get out of here.
	I just can't take another day of this.
	And I started looking for where can I worship now?
	Because I can't go to the, I didn't want to go to the Roman Catholic Church, which has been in some decline, especially since what they call Vatican II.
	And I didn't want to go to the mainstream churches, which are really Watered down with modernism.
	And then I discovered the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is new to America.
	You know, we really didn't have its presence here in any significant degree until about a century ago, when fleeing the Bolsheviks, Russians came over here, set up Orthodox churches, and Greeks fleeing what they call the Turkish-Greek genocide came over here.
	But they were holding their services in Greek and Russian, so Americans still couldn't attend.
	It wasn't until I started to They started to have English services, or partly English services, and then I used the internet and I found that the Eastern Orthodox Church hadn't changed.
	They were still worshiping the way they did in the 4th century when Constantine legalized the church.
	That appealed to me.
	You know, I mentioned monarchies.
	I'm pretty pro-monarchy.
	I know there were a bunch of bad monarchs, but I'm more of a traditionalist now, and I said, you know, looking at the splintering of the Western Church into a thousand denominations, I said, you know, I want to worship the way the original Christians did, and I found that the The Eastern Church was still doing that.
	They still had the same liturgy that was written by St.
	John Christendom.
	Sometimes they used St.
	Basil's as well.
	But I said, that's what I want to do.
	I want to go back to the way the original church worshipped.
	That's the way to do it.
	Those guys knew what they were doing.
	In fact, I was reading when I joined Orthodox.
	I read the works of some of the church fathers and works of the church historian Eusebius.
	And he talked about, there was a Christian named Eusebius.
	He went from church to church.
	He traveled all around.
	He found that the doctrine in all the churches was uniform.
	The apostles had planted churches with uniform doctrine.
	The original church was solid.
	Heresies would develop, but they would usually get knocked out by ecumenical councils.
	There were seven ecumenical councils during the first millennium, which convened where they would have the Pope of Rome come, the The patriarchs of Jerusalem and Constantinople and Antioch and Alexandria, as well as bishops from around the world who had come together to discuss what was a heretical and what was not.
	And the church stayed very stable for that first century, first millennium, excuse me.
	That's one of the things that drew me to Orthodoxy.
	Another thing was the fact that the Orthodox Church is the most persecuted church in history.
	Not to deny there's been other Christian denominations persecuted, but According to the Synaxarian, Lenin and Trotsky murdered more Christians between 1918 and 1926 than all the martyrs, Christian martyrs in all the centuries before.
	And in Alexander Solzhenitsyn, there were 60 million Russians killed by the Bolsheviks.
	Lenin and Trotsky destroyed 300,000 churches, killed 60,000 priests.
	Look at the Ukrainian genocide of the early 1930s, the Holodomor that Stalin oversaw.
	Those were, again, Orthodox Christians.
	So, the most persecuted church, it kind of shows you that the devil knew who his enemy was.
	And I was also very impressed that the Orthodox Church uses the Septuagint version of the Old Testament.
	Now, when I was in Evangelical churches, you'd read the New Testament and Jesus or the Apostle would quote the Old Testament prophecies.
	When you go back to the old testament it would be it'd read differently and i ask people how come the when jesus and the apostle quote the old testament reads differently say well they're quoting the masoretic text well the masoretic text which the king james and almost all the modern bibles use was put together by rabbis a thousand years after christ that's why it's different but the orthodox church uses the septuagintosh and Another good sign.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I wondered about that.
	I wonder whether that was a conspiracy theory.
	I mean, you can find the Septuagint with Amazon.
	It's kind of rare.
	Usually people just use a Masoretic.
	And the other thing about the Orthodoxy was the West kind of went down the road of a different approach to salvation.
	You know, saved by works alone.
	Once saved, always saved.
	My fate is predestined, predestination.
	You know, as I read the 4,000 pages of the Synax, sorry, let me just back up here.
	It was recommended by a modern saint, you read from the lives of saints every day, and I read all 4,000 pages, comes with seven hardbound volumes, and none of the saints of the church, and these 4,000 pages are drawn from manuscripts from all over the world, from Ireland, Greece, Russia, Serbia, wherever the Orthodox Church was, and by the way, there was just one church again for the first 1,000 years, The Orthodox Church has saints from England, you know, St.
	Albans and many others.
	But the saints never said something like, Jesus paid it all.
	They considered that you needed to devote your life to Christ.
	And many of them started out by giving away their possessions to the poor, the advice that Jesus gave to the rich young man.
	Then they would go into monasteries or the desert, like St.
	John the Baptist, or into caves.
	They would spend their time conquering self in constant prayer, as St.
	Paul advised, and conquering self, you know, the deadly sins of lust and pride and hatred, things like that.
	And before they would become teachers, they would conquer those things.
	It wasn't just a matter of going to a theology school and getting a degree.
	It was a matter of conquering yourself, you know, taking up your cross and denying self.
	Now, I'm not an exemplary of that, and I start out my book by mentioning that.
	I don't consider myself exemplary of it.
	It's just that I didn't feel anybody else was going to write about this.
	If I didn't.
	And I had the book reviewed by, by the way, a theology instructor at an Orthodox monastery, as well as by a Greek Orthodox chaplain in the U.S.
	Army, to make sure I was theologically not misrepresenting the Orthodox Church.
	But this is another thing that appealed to me.
	It's a, not just Jesus paid it all, but you need, as St.
	Paul said, you need to work out your salvation.
	Jesus said, He overcomes, I shall give the crown of life.
	And He obeys my Father in heaven.
	You know, so, um, uh, The saints of the church didn't fall back on the idea that it was just faith alone was going to save them, even though you can find some verses from St.
	Paul that will support that.
	But if you put it in full context and look at the book of James, where he says, faith without works is dead, you start to get the full picture.
	There's a synergy between your lifestyle and your faith, and your works really have to be consistent with your faith.
	So yeah, that all drew me into orthodoxy.
	And finally inspired to write this book because I just said well, it looks like we're heading to the end times and we really do need divine intervention and the best way to invoke that is through appeal to God and by obeying him.
	And this one that I need to work on every day of my life, but I feel that's certainly a truth.
	Yeah, in defense of the other branches of Christianity, I have to say that A lot of the evangelical Christians, the born-again Christians as they call themselves, quite a few of the Catholics I know, they're very... it's not just about the faith, it's also about good works.
	But I do take your point about orthodoxy.
	There is something very attractive about it.
	I felt that.
	I went to the orthodox a few years ago.
	Yeah.
	And I had some very profound spiritual experiences there, which I think probably I didn't I did I but know it, but they were signposts on my on my road to true Christianity.
	It was it was like, you know, I I still partied at that time and I still, you know, I wouldn't have described myself as a Christian, but I met priests.
	I met the abbot, for example, of a monastery who very much made me feel like I was in the presence of extraordinary holiness.
	And it wasn't kind of sanctimonious and it wasn't, that it wasn't, he wasn't judging me.
	It was just love and And faith, and yeah, it made an impact on me.
	He had very piercing blue eyes.
	Well, just to back up for a minute, my book actually begins with a passage, begins with a brief message by Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical friends, and in that introduction, I am speaking to non-Orthodox peoples, and I acknowledge that when I was an Evangelical, I had meaningful encounters with God in those churches, and I also acknowledge that I know Catholics who are more devout than I am, I'm not saying that non-Orthodox are lazy or something like that.
	It's just that I felt that this was the truest form of Christianity that I had ever found in my own personal journey.
	put me to shame so I just I do acknowledge that in the beginning of the book that I'm not saying that non-Orthodox are lazy or something like that it's just that I felt that this was the truest form of Christianity that I had ever found in my own personal journey but in no way do I mean to demean anyone or pass judgment upon them because after all I grew up as a you know as an atheist and then it was a New Ager and then as an evangelical
	So I've just, I've been on a journey, and how can I condemn anyone who's in those positions now, when I was in them myself, in my walk?
	So.
	I think you're very fair in the book.
	I don't think that people are going to be really offended.
	It's quite interesting.
	You talk As the book develops about the importance of reading the lives of the saints.
	Synaxarion.
	Synaxarion.
	And you quote one of the more recent saints, the chap who lived on Mount Athos.
	What's his name?
	St.
	Passius.
	Who recommended, among other things, that everyone should read the lives of the saints daily.
	Which is good.
	I just want to quote what he said, what this man said, unless you've got it to hand before me, what he said about the Mark of the Beast and the vaccine.
	I'm just looking it up now, the bit in your book where he's... Oh yes, here we are.
	So this guy, Saint Paisios, died in 1994 and one of the things he predicted, he said, and now a vaccine has been developed to combat a new disease Which will be obligatory and those taking it will be marked.
	Later on, anyone who is not marked with the number 666 will not be able to either buy or sell, to get a loan, to get a job and so forth.
	My thinking tells me that this is the system through which the Antichrist has chosen to take over the whole world.
	By the way, James, when I was in Mount Athos, which would have been in the late The late 80s, about 88, the monks were all talking about the end times.
	They knew it was coming just around the corner.
	But I think he's dead right.
	And I think another, I think the Patriarch Kirill in the Russian Orthodox Church also said he recognized this so-called vaccine as being the mark of the beast.
	So I think the Orthodox Church has been quite good on this.
	Yes.
	And we really see the mark coming in, you know, as soon as they started telling us in the United States that we couldn't go into a grocery store or a shop or a sports arena without a mask on.
	And basically, you couldn't buy or sell without a mask.
	And I said, well, this is progressives.
	And that's that's when the lockdowns began.
	You could really see this is all about control, not about health and also getting you to take the vaccine and then to have yourself Um, have a vaccine passport.
	And again, as we were discussing earlier, either a digital tattoo or a microchip that would verify whether or not you were vaccinated and that's suitable to buy or sell.
	And of course we see the whole social credit score system in China where you're constantly surveyed by the government and they'll deduct from your allowance if you do something that the government doesn't like.
	So a worldwide system of control definitely seems to be coming into place.
	And it's no leap of logic to see that this would, um, We'd produce the, um, A Mark of the Beast, um, and it seems like we're on the cusp of the end times, uh, doesn't it?
	Uh, you know, years ago, people used to, in the 80s, um, I used to hear times here, people talk about this and that being the Antichrist.
	In fact, I, uh, one time I listened to the radio and somebody said that, um, Ronald Reagan was the Antichrist because his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan.
	Each of his names had six letters.
	So that was 666.
	And I, people had all kinds of odd theories, but, And I always sort of just dismiss those, of course, but now I have to say that, and you really see it coming together, the globalization, the consolidation of media and government, and these ways of marking people, social credit, digitalization, the Great Reset, and the demonic nature of it, satanic nature of it.
	It's very hard.
	I can't deny that we're moving into the end times that are predicted by the book of Revelation.
	Not that we've seen the bulk of the Book of Revelation by any means, but certainly we are heading, seem to be close to it.
	Yeah, I think we can probably agree that it's obvious to anyone who's done a bit of research that the New World Order is essentially Luciferian stroke satanic in its origins and ultimately it's the devil who's In as many forms, who's running the show here, running these people.
	But do you want to give me a sort of a whistle-stop tour through the Illuminati, the Freemasons, Sabbatean Frankism?
	What's its relationship to everything that's going on now?
	Well, like I say, I think it really began with a shot through Iran and the world.
	But of course, in France, on the heels of the American Revolution came the French Revolution.
	Again, there's a very anti-monarchial system, and France actually had 2,000 Freemasonic lodges, but they began to embrace the concept of the Illuminati, which is a secret society in Bavaria, run by Adam Weishaupt, but according to William Guy Carr, was being funded by Meyer Amschel Rothschild, a man who's said to have said that, I care not who makes the laws of a nation as long as I can issue the money.
	Freemasons, you know, the French Revolution is supposed to be a movement of the people, but really it's the Freemasonic lodges that plotted that revolution.
	They were very coordinated.
	It's interesting, when our own American Revolution occurred, Thomas Paine and other American representatives went to France to ask the King of France to support, with money, the American Revolution.
	Of course, they just had a war with England, and so they weren't that keen on the British and France.
	But the French king was reluctant, but then he saw French people, whole families marching the streets advocating support for America, and he thought the people of France were behind America, so he decided to give them, you know, a lot of silver to bring back to America.
	But what he didn't know was, and this is a book I have on my bookshelf by a Freemason Was that march of the French people was actually completely organized by the Freemasons.
	Those Freemasonic families were marching, not the people of France.
	And interestingly enough, Thomas Paine, who went to get that money, later bit the hand that fed him, he went to France, became a French citizen, partook in the overthrow of the king who had helped America earlier, and became a member of the French Assembly, which had hundreds of Freemasons in its original ranks.
	And of course, did all kinds of devilish things, murdering priests, Guillotining people, having a new calendar, you know, cancel culture, you might say.
	France was sort of a centerpiece at that time.
	The Illuminati were outlawed by the Bavarians, but they reemerged in the form of communism, really, which had the same principles.
	You know, the Illuminati had advocated the death of religion.
	The destruction of nations in favor of a world government, the destruction of private property, which we see, of course, with you will own nothing and be happy with the world economic form.
	Very consistent over the ages.
	Communism was certainly a major step in that towards destroying Christianity in Russia and spreading its doctrine and the world wars were fermented.
	I look at the world wars, you can see a pattern.
	World government, you know, out of World War I came the League of Nations.
	First attempt at gold government, it failed, but out of World War II, With, actually created by the Council for Relations with the UN, United Nations, another bigger step towards world government.
	And if you had a World War III, which I pray we don't, you'd probably have an all-out world government.
	That's their end goal.
	And then if you look at communism, World War I birthed the Bolshevik Revolution, 1917, right?
	Right in the midst of the war.
	And then World War II birthed the State of Israel.
	And then if you had a World War III, it would End up with the Antichrist ruling for the temple in Jerusalem, which is what Paul seems to be saying in 2 Thessalonians.
	And then as far as, I think I may have skipped around a little, world government, communism and Zionism is what I meant to say.
	Zionism, I'm sorry, I was on communism, I skipped to Zionism.
	Communism, you had the first Soviet Union coming out of World War I, then you had communism covering half the globe after World War II, it spread into Eastern Europe.
	Into China and into North Vietnam and North Korea.
	And then the world, in the end, would be this Klaus Schwab vision of a worldwide communist state.
	And then Zionism.
	In 1917, same year as the Bolshevik Revolution, you had the Schofield Reference Bible coming out, which persuaded many Christians to support the State of Israel.
	1948, as an outcome of World War II, And sympathy for Holocaust victims, you had the state of Israel being proclaimed.
	And then World War III, you would have the Antichrist ruling from a temple in Jerusalem.
	That's how I meant to phrase it.
	But you can see a pattern, an agenda unfolding that is leading us into this dark era that the Bible forecast.
	Yeah.
	So who is calling the shots?
	Because I hear people say, some people say, oh, it's the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
	Some people say, oh no, you don't know the names of the people with the real power.
	They keep themselves secret.
	Where does it emanate all this stuff?
	Well, I have to say that certainly Satan is at the top of the hierarchy, and under him would be the fallen angels and demons, you know, the spiritual warfare that the Bible discusses.
	And at the Human Top, it's interesting, I heard a talk given by an ex-high-ranking Freemason who said that Satan actually lives on Jacob Rothschild's estate.
	And I have no idea if that can be true or not, but it didn't sound unrealistic.
	Some bad things, I have to say, with respect to the British people, some bad things have come out of Britain, including Darwinism, And Marx wrote his books there, and The Beatles came out of Britain, which, you know, vastly influenced American culture downward.
	We went from basically a pretty patriotic, family-oriented society into a drug culture with the new music that emerged in the 60s with The Beatles being at the centerpiece of that, and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds stood for LSD.
	Although they denied it, didn't they?
	They said, oh, it was just based on a picture.
	It could be.
	I don't know for sure.
	I think we can probably agree that, that presumably you think that the Beatles were a project of the Tower Stall.
	I keep hearing that.
	Yes.
	And it's certainly a big culture shift for America.
	Well, the media really built them up.
	And when the Beatles came here in 1964 to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show, it was like the pulpit arrived.
	All the networks were Filming them arriving at the airport with these screaming girls.
	Well, it turns out, as I understand it, the screaming girls all came from one school in Brooklyn, New York.
	They're all paid $20 a piece to scream to the Beatles.
	It was a setup, you know.
	But then we all tuned in when the Beatles had their first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show.
	But they were on the cover of Life Magazine and Newsweek.
	And the media, even though it's supposed to be anti-establishment, the establishment was actually pushing the Beatles.
	It's interesting how people didn't catch on to that.
	Yes.
	But the history, in terms of getting the history caught up, I do recommend Ferdinand Lundenberg's book, America's 60 Families, Gary Allen's 1978 book, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Another Landmark.
	That book woke me up.
	But over the years, we just see this continuous consolidation of power.
	We see mergers.
	We see banks merging.
	So in America, you had the Chase Bank.
	Which is run by the Rockefellers and the Manhattan Bank run by the Warburgs.
	Paul Warburg, of course, became, you know, the original head of the Federal Reserve and he ran the meeting that started it in Jekyll Island in 1910.
	Chase Bank merged with Manhattan Bank, it became Chase Manhattan.
	Then Chase Manhattan merged with J.P.
	Morgan, became J.P.
	Morgan Chase.
	And then J.P.
	Morgan Chase merged with Bank One.
	And you see corporations emerging.
	You see the media keeps buying up smaller media companies until we just have five corporations in America running the media.
	It's a Disney.
	You know, ABC News, ABC Network used to be independent.
	Now it's owned by Disney.
	National Geographic Magazine used to be independent.
	Now it's owned by Disney.
	The London Times and the Wall Street Journal used to be independent journals.
	Now they're owned by News Corp, which also owns Fox.
	And then you've got Time Warner, which He owns CNN and hundreds of other media outlets, along with NBCUniversal and CBS Viacom, just five corporations basically running all of the American media, and it's all consolidated.
	Tucker Carlson was kind of a lone voice against some of the things the establishment was doing.
	Now he's been fired by Fox, so it's getting more and more consolidated.
	But ecumenicism in the world of religion is about the same thing.
	It's about merging things together.
	A National Council of Churches, which is funded by the Rockefellers.
	And then in 1948, the Rockefellers funded the World Council of Churches, which met, I believe it was in Amsterdam.
	The idea being to merge companies together.
	In fact, Tony Blair started the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, which he got to do with faith.
	But I quote him in my book, 13 Pieces of the Jigsaw, from this website, where he talks about how everyone should sign a pledge, pledging to work with all Yes.
	people of all faiths to work together to end world poverty and war, you know, and you can just see the globalism eminent everywhere in the agenda being uniform everywhere because of the control that they've been able to achieve through the power of wealth.
	So they're trying to water down Christianity by, by encouraging Christians to kind of want to merge with other religions and see them as all equal, a bit like, you know, you get Christians inviting Muslims into their sort of bishops you get Christians inviting Muslims into their sort of bishops getting, conducting Muslim ceremonies in, Yes, as a matter of fact, the church that I mentioned, Evangelical Church, that I got upset with, one day we were told
	That we were to pretend we were Jews in a synagogue, and we're going to celebrate the Feast of Purim, and they passed out noisemakers.
	And the congregation was going along with us, and they were blowing their noisemakers, pretending to be Jews in a synagogue.
	They're supposed to show our solidarity with the Jewish community, but no Jews from synagogues were there to witness this, so I don't think the Jews got impressed by it.
	But I just stood in silence.
	I looked across at another Christian who was also wise to it, and we just shook our heads.
	But that's an example of the ecumenicism that's taking place.
	When the Antichrist rules, he wants, you know, basically one government, one media, one religion.
	That's what world government has all been about.
	Consolidation of power.
	The consolidation of mergers and corporations has also been about this.
	Everything being a one world, truly a one world system.
	It's great having such a well-informed, well-read brain to pick here, James, so I'm making the most of this occasion.
	On the question of who runs the world, some of the things I hear about are the Black nobility, whoever they are, there's the City of London, There's some sort of power nexus between involving the British royal family and maybe some of the crown heads of Europe.
	There are the 13 satanic bloodlines.
	There are the Jesuits.
	There's Shabbat, you mentioned the kind of, the sort of Israel, the sort of Zionist conspiracy.
	Clearly Rothschild comes up a lot.
	I mean, then there's the question about, are they, are they real Jews?
	Because there's the whole business about the Caesareans, aren't there?
	And that they, they mass converted in the 10th century, 9th century.
	They weren't originally, they weren't people of the book.
	They weren't, they were, they became, Yeah, the state religion, yeah.
	And then changed it.
	So how did all these different groups come together?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	You know, there was a movie about Freemasonry made in 1943 in Vichy, France.
	It was called Occult Forces, and it's about a French minister who is talked into becoming a Freemason.
	It's interesting, if you watch Occult Forces, which is available on YouTube, again, 1943 film, you actually see his induction into Freemasonry.
	Now, the guy who directed the movie was an ex-Freemason.
	He knew exactly what it was like.
	And this French minister begins to develop doubt.
	So he goes to a senior Freemasonry.
	He asks what Freemasonry really is.
	And even the ranking Freemasonry himself is confused because there's such a labyrinth above him that networks among the nations, Even he's not sure exactly how it all fits together.
	So you mentioned all of those.
	I think they all, those elements you mentioned, do have a part in it.
	But I don't know that even they themselves know exactly how they fit together.
	I'm sure that, you know, there's a Jesuit component and, you know, the 13 bloodlines seem to be valid.
	Springmeier has talked about that.
	I do feel that the Rothschilds are very, very high ranking in this.
	They've been around You know, for so long, going back to the 18th century, in terms of their power, and today are said to be the wealthiest family in the world, so rich that, you know, Forbes lists the world's richest people, and they have, I think it's Bezos and Gates at the top, but they're worth like, you know, over a hundred billion apiece, but the Rothschilds, their wealth flows into the trillions.
	They're not even, they're off the charts.
	They're not in record, they've mentioned it, and they have front groups.
	Front corporations and offshore assets and things like that.
	So very hard to keep track of it.
	They're enshrouded in secrecy.
	Evil has always been enshrouded in secrecy.
	So it's really hard to detect the exact organizational structure that they have.
	But certainly the Rothschilds are very close to the top.
	And then your low-ranking communists and Freemasons have always been near the bottom of that pyramid.
	I do think it's kind of a pyramid where it gets smaller and smaller as you get towards the top.
	Some people said there were 13, a council of 13 unknown men, I've heard that said, but they've never been named and it's very hard to verify things like that.
	But the Rothschilds have certainly had their hand in enough things, the taking over of Reuters, which I mentioned, the building of the Suez Canal, Fomenti Wars, the London stock market panic in the time of Napoleon, and certainly A major force in the 1929 U.S.
	stock market crash when Bernard Baruch, the Jewish banker, took Winston Churchill to the floor of the New York Stock Exchange when the panic was in full swing.
	And they got that going in multiple ways, such as, you know, one of them was raising, the Federal Reserve jacked up interest rates very quickly, but another was short selling stocks.
	That's how they created the panic of 1907.
	And certainly, you know, when you short sell a stock, you sell a stock you don't own yet.
	And when you're very rich, like the Rothschilds and JP Morgan, you can short sell a lot of stocks.
	So in 1929, they started short selling stocks.
	And then the panic set in, people saw their stock prices dropping.
	So real investors started selling, and then the market plummeted.
	And then Morgan and Rockefeller and their allies just went in and bought shares of stock that had once been worth $10 a share, they bought it at $1 a share, while the small investor was wiped out.
	Very typical strategy.
	And I think we might see that repeated with the markets sometime In the future, I think that if Klaus Schwab wants to get his Great Reset, he's probably going to have to collapse the markets so that people will beg for, you know, guaranteed income credit score.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I don't doubt it.
	I don't doubt it.
	I think that the impression I get is that the bad guys Read the Bible as closely as we Christians do.
	You know, for example, one of the buildings in the EU is based on the Tower of Babel, isn't it?
	And they seem to be very interested in rebuilding the Third Temple?
	What's that about?
	Yeah, as I mentioned, the Apostle Paul, I'll have to find that quote, predicted That the man of lawlessness would... Let's see if I can find that.
	Christ told us, don't believe it if somebody says, there he is out in the desert or here he is in the inner rooms.
	That's Matthew 24, 26, 27.
	So it's not going to be Christ, but he's going to pretend to be Christ.
	Yeah.
	Okay, here's what Apostle Paul wrote in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, talking about the end times.
	He said, Don't let anyone deceive you in any way for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
	He will oppose and exalt himself over everything that is called God and his worship so that he sets himself up in God's temple Proclaiming himself to be God.
	That's what the Third Temple is all about.
	And that's why I talked to a missionary to Israel and he said, yes, I've got the Third Temple.
	The elements are already ready.
	They've even got the musical instruments ready for it.
	They plan to have some kind of station on the dome of what's called the Dome of the Rock where the Muslims have one of their most sacred.
	Yeah.
	And they plan to build a temple for the Antichrist there again so that that scripture would be fulfilled.
	So you're right, the bad guys know the scripture.
	Of course, when Satan took Jesus into the desert to tempt him, he quoted scripture at him and tried to use it deceptively, which he didn't get away with.
	Yes, I know.
	It's great.
	It's one of the things I love about reading the Bible.
	I've got a particular fixation with the Psalms, which I love.
	And I like the fact that Satan quotes Psalm 91.
	When he's trying to get Jesus to jump off the temple.
	He's saying, well, you know, the angels are going to pick you up.
	For he shall give his angels charge over thee.
	Jesus was clearly very well versed in the scriptures because he quotes Psalm 22 when he's on the cross.
	My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
	It's all there.
	It's really interesting stuff, I find.
	Well, I was going to ask you about the, about orthodoxy's take.
	Oh, yes, that's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you address one of the interesting questions you address in the book is, How can we believe these miracles are real?
	I just want a slight digression here.
	Have you ever come across a writer called Bernard Cornwell?
	Burnwall Cornwall, he writes historical fiction set in various wars.
	He started with the Napoleonic Wars and then he moved on to older wars.
	And I think he's probably his masterpiece is this cycle set in the era of King Alfred, where you've got Vikings battling Saxons or Anglo-Saxons for who's going to take control of Britain.
	There's a very strong anti-clerical strain in Caldwell's writing.
	He never resists an opportunity to mock things like when they have fragments of the true cross.
	He often satirises it by having ridiculous things like the net that the disciples use when they You know, when they cast their nets into the Sea of Galilee and caught all those fish or whatever, he's thinking of ever more ridiculous ways in which to mock the early church's love of relics from the era of Christ.
	But you clearly believe that these relics were real and that the miracles conducted And the years after Christ were real too.
	Yes, Jesus said, the works that I do, those who believe in me will do also, and greater works than these shall he do.
	And that was an interesting passage.
	And when I was in Evangelical churches, the teaching was that, well, Jesus didn't really mean we're going to do miracles like raise the dead.
	What Jesus meant was we're going to evangelize more people than he did.
	And that would be our miracle.
	And I was taught in the evangelical churches there were no miracles after the Book of Acts, that they stopped after that.
	But when I read the Synaxarion, which I have to say is drawn from hundreds of manuscripts in many different languages, Syria, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, France, England, Ireland, Greece, throughout the centuries, we see that the miracles Jesus did, the saints did also.
	Raising the dead, healing lepers, Healing the blind, walking on water.
	As I read this, I started to get amazing.
	So I actually started to catalog these miracles.
	So I made a list of the saints who walked on water.
	And then, by the way, they weren't walking on water to show off.
	If they did that, they'd plunge right into the waves.
	These were people who had dedicated themselves to Christ, had borne their cross, went through sufferings, prayed constantly, except for those occasions when they needed to help other people.
	Or we're reading from the scriptures.
	Yeah, the miracles are cataloged from so many different places.
	You know, how could it be a conspiracy?
	People in Syria were writing in Arabic and in Ireland they were writing in Gaelic.
	There was no email back then.
	They couldn't be conspiring with each other, you know, they're thousands of miles apart.
	But all these miracles were documented and it's very consistent that the only people who did miracles, no casual believer did a miracle.
	Only those who totally dedicated themselves to Christ and denied self and overcome their own passions that did miracles.
	That was it.
	And so, yeah, I'm convinced by the consistency because, you know, if you're in a courtroom, consistency is a mark of a truthful witness.
	If a guy keeps contradicting himself, then you figure, well, this guy's got something he's concealing.
	But yeah, the consistency and I've actually met people who have I've witnessed such miracles.
	I'm the abbot of a monastery.
	One of the commonest miracles of these saints was that their remains would remain incorrupt.
	They wouldn't decay.
	I've got a, you know, a picture of a 4th century saint on the island, who's on the island, remains on the island of Corfu.
	They haven't decayed since the 4th century.
	And this is true for Many of the saints, St.
	John of Shanghai, who died, I believe, in the 1960s, his remains are still incorrupt and visible.
	And as a saint, I met the abbot of a monastery who visited him during an extreme illness.
	So the saints are very real, the miracles are very real, I believe, but I devote two chapters to whether or not these miracles are real or not, because many people will scoff.
	You know, I never saw a miracle.
	Yeah, in the United States, we rarely did.
	Although, I've occasionally heard evangelicals give testimony to miraculous healing in response to prayer.
	And I don't put any doubt on their words.
	And of course, Catholics will speak of the appearance of the Virgin Mary as being miraculous.
	And I'm not about to challenge those people on what witnesses have stated.
	We see in the Orthodox Church a great many miracles, hundreds of them, and doing exactly what Jesus said.
	Even the moving of a mountain has been documented three times, which Jesus said, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can do that.
	Well, that doesn't say a lot for our faith.
	We can't do that.
	But the people who did move mountains were people of remarkable faith, of absolutely remarkable faith.
	They were not.
	It was done when they're challenged and threatened with death by Muslims if they didn't do it.
	And so they spent days in prayer and fasting before those mountains were moved.
	It was no snap your fingers and the mountain moves.
	Yeah, I wasn't clear.
	So I read one of your stories from the Synaxarian about how the Muslims said, right, we're going to kill you all and horribly, really horribly, if your God fails you.
	So we're going to give you the chance and they pray for eight days.
	How much did the mountain... It doesn't say, but it moved enough to frighten the Muslims that many of them became Christians, including the Caliph who had threatened the Christians.
	He secretly became a secret Christian.
	Yeah.
	By the way, since I've become interested in Christianity, because it is a fantastic rabbit hole, I've met or spoken to at least two people in the last two years who've actually seen angels.
	There's a girl I go riding with who was cured of a Very nasty chronic illness in her adolescence by Father Pio his glove was passed around in Catholic circles and she and the glove was used to to heal her and I'm trying to think of some other.
	Oh, yes, that's right.
	And in my friends, my sort of born again friends who do things like cast out demons very successfully have also successfully prayed.
	I mean, obviously, you know, non-believers are just going to think this is nonsense, but successfully prayed out the poison from somebody who took the vaccines.
	So, I'm hearing a lot of this stuff.
	I think it's only in kind of anti-religious circles, anti-Christian circles that there is strong skepticism.
	But I think those of us who were in the loop know that this stuff is real and happening and is part of God's signs that he's got our back and that difficult times are approaching.
	Yes.
	You know, there's a passage in the Bible where it says that Jesus did not do miracles They're because of their unbelief.
	So if you're in an unbelieving society, which America's certainly increasingly become, you're not going to see a lot of miracles.
	It really takes utter devotion to Christ for someone to see these miracles happening, whether that is in or out of the Orthodox Church.
	I don't think God cares as long as the person is acting out of a sincere faith and very rigorous obedience that we would see Such a thing happening.
	It's interesting that people will say, well, miracles can't happen because they violate the laws of the universe.
	Well, God's outside the universe.
	He created it.
	So he's not subject to its laws.
	So he can create a miracle, whether as Jesus or someone who is drawn so close to God through obedience that they share in God's spirit.
	You know, Saint Seraphim of Serov was the, probably the most revered saint in the Russian Orthodox Church.
	And he said the whole Purpose of the Christian is to acquire the Spirit of God through this type of obedience, giving to the poor and being obedient to Christ and carrying one's cross.
	So when you draw close to God, the closer you are to God, the more you become capable of doing things like God.
	But again, this is never for show or to impress people or out of vanity.
	You're not going to do a miracle.
	And Jesus himself condemned those who would pray in public Yes.
	James, I've got to get you back onto another podcast, because we've got so much more to talk about.
	But before we go, I've got to ask you about dragons and dinosaurs, because I know you've mentioned them in your previous research.
	And can I just tell you, I am known, notorious indeed, I don't believe in dinosaurs.
	I do believe in dragons.
	No, not at all.
	No, almost 20 years before I wrote The Missing Saints book or became Orthodox, I wrote a book called Tornado in a Junkyard, which is, I was really interested in whether Darwin's theory was true or not, because I'd been taught it as a scientific fact.
	And when I started examining books on We call it creation science.
	They're PhD scientists.
	They showed that Darwin's theory of evolution was just a house of cards.
	Well, one of the things that I found, and this again, not from books about saints, the saints, if you read the Synaxarian, destroyed a number of dragons.
	Some people say, well, that's obviously guff because there's no such thing as dragons, but look at the Chinese Zodiac.
	It's got 12 animals like the, you know, the tiger and The goat, the monkey, right?
	Whether you're the monkey, right?
	So, but it also has a dragon.
	Why would the Chinese select 11 real animals and one mythical animal?
	Do you mean the Zodiac?
	The fact of the matter is that dinosaurs or dragons are extinct.
	You know, the word dinosaur wasn't coined until the 19th century.
	So, what people called them before that was simply dragons.
	And let's see, I've got a quote.
	It actually appears originally in Tornado in the Junkyard, but I Updated it for my book.
	This is recorded in 1405 in Suffolk, England.
	Close to the town of Bures near Sudbury, there has lately appeared to the great herd of the countryside a dragon, vast in body with a crested head, teeth like a saw, and a tail extending to an enormous length.
	Having slaughtered the shepherd of a flock, it devoured many sheep.
	In order to destroy him, all the country people around were summoned.
	But when the dragon saw there was again to be assailed with arrows, he fled into a marsh or a mere, and there hid himself among the long reeds.
	It was no more seen.
	Now there are many accounts like that.
	Clearly America, an account in Arizona of an encounter with a pterodactyl.
	But the accounts of dragons appeared in Africa, Persia, China, Japan, England, Ireland, again America, Germany, Italy, around the world.
	How could all these be imaginings?
	How could all of our ancestors just imagine these dragons appearing?
	It certainly appears that, and again, this is consistent with what the Synaxarian tells us about dragons being slain by St.
	George, for example, and other saints, that dragons were real, and that what we're calling dinosaurs today, and say they existed 60 million years ago.
	Well, this is in the Smithsonian Magazine.
	They found red blood cells in DNA in dinosaurs.
	Now, if they're 60 million years old, how could those red blood cells have survived all that time, you know?
	The actually recent, but Darwin's theory required billions of years for it to work, because you couldn't get evolution overnight if it's all happening by chance.
	So Darwin allied himself with a geologist named Charles Lyell, who proposed that the Earth's sedimentary rock, you know, most of the Earth's rock is sedimentary, that is water deposited, There's an interesting quote from Darwin that includes Lyle within it.
	Let me just get that up.
	but was instead slowly laid down by oceans.
	And there's an interesting quote from Darwin that includes Lyle within it.
	Let me just get that up.
	So Darwin said in 1873, Lyle, the geologist, is most firmly convinced he's shaken the faith in the deluge, meaning the biblical flood, far more efficiently by never having said a word against the Bible than he'd acted otherwise.
	I've read lately Morley's Life of Voltaire, and he insists strongly that direct attacks on Christianity Even when written with a wonderful force and vigor, Voltaire produced little permanent effect.
	Real good seems only to follow the slow and silent side attacks.
	So, here's Darwin characterizing his own theory as a side attack on the Bible.
	He knew he couldn't attack the Bible directly and say, Christianity is baloney.
	Instead, he introduces it as science, because people respected science, and said, this is how life evolved, you know?
	There was some phosphorus and these other little cells in the ocean, or a pond is what he actually used in The Ridge of Species.
	Things just randomly came together and they began evolving.
	But when you look at it, you see how ridiculous that is, because a cell is actually very complex.
	He never heard of DNA and the genetic code, you know.
	Also, it's not supported by any observations.
	Has anyone observed dead chemicals form a living cell?
	No.
	So, zero observations to support it.
	And then, Cells have thousands of different proteins, even a bacterial cell, thousands of different proteins.
	Each protein is found in a smaller building block called amino acids, hundreds of them, which have to be in the exact right order.
	Now Sir Francis Crick, who co-won the Nobel Prize for discovering DNA, estimated the odds of getting just one protein by chance.
	He said it's one in 10 to the power of 260.
	Now professional mathematicians will say If anything is worse than the odds of one in 10 to the power of 50, it's impossible.
	So it would be impossible to get one protein by chance, let alone the thousands a cell would need.
	And kind of the clincher for me is, if you believe in Darwin's theory that a cell was formed by chance, how about cellular reproduction?
	That's a very complex process.
	Before this first cell of Darwin's, which came about by chance, he says, before it died, it would have had to completely evolve and perfect the process of cellular reproduction or that never would run a second cell.
	Obviously, the whole thing is absurd.
	It's not supported by observations.
	It's mathematically impossible.
	It's totally illogical.
	And it's taught as fact and turns people into atheists in public schools.
	By the way, I kind of realized that Darwin's theory, which, you know, was being espoused in the mid to late 19th century, was what set up the attack on Christianity called modernism.
	Which here in America emerged in the 1890s with Charles Briggs with Rockefeller backing.
	He introduced modernism, which said that there were no miracles.
	The Bible was not written by the people.
	It was never a resurrection.
	Jesus did not die in atonement for sin.
	They even cast doubt on whether Jesus existed.
	Darwin's theory was a setup for all that, all the attacks on Christianity that have subsequently occurred.
	So it's, it's sequential.
	Yes, no, I was familiar with some of the points you very articulately raised there.
	But I hadn't previously grasped why would somebody, if dinosaurs weren't real, and it seems to me they weren't, given that there's so little, there's no fossil record which shows dinosaurs.
	Well, we have dinosaur fossils, they've been reconstructed, their bones have been reconstructed.
	In different museums, yeah.
	That's what I mean, reconstructed.
	They're not, as I understand it, these things are just kind of, they take a tooth and maybe, you know, a vertebra and a claw, and then they make out of this this huge plaster cast.
	That has definitely happened, that is definitely, and I go into that in Tornado in a Junkyard, that, you know, some of the various ape men that they proposed were based on a little more than a set of teeth, and then they reconstructed the whole thing out of that.
	But there are dinosaur bones that they've found.
	So I do believe that those would represent, I think, a pretty good amount.
	Actually, there's a, I'm forgetting his name because I haven't thought about him for a while, but there's a researcher down in Texas who's a creationist, a Christian, but he has a fossil museum and he's found dinosaur bones, you know, extensively buried.
	So - Well, I'm willing to be corrected on this.
	It's a controversial position for some people.
	How can we trust James on the New World Order when he doesn't believe in dinosaurs is the kind of thinking that runs.
	Well, if I can see evidence, because that's all I care about, of actual significant chunks of dinosaur, Then I might revise my opinion.
	I think the evidence is out there.
	I think if we take a good look, we'll find that, yeah, the dinosaur bones have been found in places where a dinosaur was killed, you know, buried under the flood, and they've reconstructed it from bone found in that one place, as opposed to being entirely done from imagination.
	Although, again, there have been, like, Java Man was basically just, I think, a tooth and a jawbone, and then they reconstructed a whole ape man out of him.
	Except you seem to be suggesting, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that one of the reasons that we're encouraged to think of, to believe in dinosaurs, is to make the Earth seem older than it actually is, in order to validate evolutionary theory, which requires all sorts of micro changes over millions of billions of years.
	So where are you on the Earth, say?
	I think it's a young Earth.
	You know, I do have a chapter in Tornado in a Junkyard on radiometric dating and the fallacies that go into that.
	Carbon dating, I think it can't date anything older than 50,000 years and the other methods they use depend on basic assumptions they put in into those models.
	So I do believe and I talk about various scientific evidences for a young Earth in that chapter in Tornado in a Junkyard.
	So yeah, I believe the Earth is young.
	I believe it happened as it says in the Bible.
	And you had the biblical flood, you know, a couple of thousand years before Christ and probably a couple of thousand years of living before then when the earth was actually much more lush in its vegetation, even in Antarctica that found, you know, fossil fuels, fossils of palm trees, you know, the earth really changed after the flood covered the earth.
	But I think it's only a few thousand years old and that we've bought, you know, again, Ancient Age of the Earth was basically a requirement for Darwin's theory to succeed, so they had to come up with this old Earth model.
	I know that sounds crazy to people who've been taught that we're five billion years old on Earth, the planet itself, but that's something that needs, you have to kind of vet it and go over the various radiometric methods that are being used and what's wrong with them.
	I totally agree.
	We have to question everything.
	One of my sores is that the more we're told about something being true, the more likely it is that it's a fabrication.
	For example, you mentioned Lexington, which is a cornerstone of the mythos of the Revolutionary Wars.
	It doesn't surprise me to learn that actually it was a Freemasonic psyop, false flag, and that Paul Revere was not the hero that we're told and etc etc.
	It makes sense because that's one of the stories we're told most about the birth of America, so it would make sense that it's a lie.
	Yeah, actually if you look at Paul Revere's original deposition from 1775, He says nothing about warning the people that the Redcoats are coming.
	He only talks about flying his, he was on a fast horse.
	He was a good horseman.
	His horse was called Brown Bessie.
	He flew out of Boston as soon as he knew the British troops were coming out.
	They'd been waiting for an opportunity to set this thing up.
	So he went, according to his deposition, he went straight to the house of where John Hancock and Sam Adams were staying.
	It still stands today.
	I used to walk by it on my way home from school every day.
	It's called the Hancock-Clark House.
	Clark was a reverend who lived in the house with John Hancock.
	But Paul Revere said nothing about saying the Redcoats are coming in his deposition of 1775.
	Later on, he became the Grand Master of Massachusetts Freemasons.
	And much later he was interviewed.
	That's when he started talking about saying the Redcoats are coming.
	Now, I'm not saying he fabricated that.
	Maybe he just left that out of his original deposition.
	But his main objective seems to have been to get to Adams and Hancock so they could orchestrate the events the following morning.
	And Paul Revere himself showed up on Lexington Green one half hour before the British arrived, mixed in with the militia and...
	And I think he was there to choreograph the Freemasons and where they were going to fire from and this sort of thing.
	I was trying to think of where Paul Revere went there one half hour before the British arrival.
	He said he was there to get a trunk, so the British wouldn't capture it.
	But if he wanted the trunk, he should have just taken it right away.
	Instead, he hung around until the British arrived.
	So yeah, a lot of things about Paul Revere.
	It was interesting.
	You know, there was a movie about the Revolutionary War.
	Who's the actor?
	He's a British or Australian actor.
	Mel Gibson made a movie where he played this.
	He was that movie, The Patriot, which originally he was going to play Paul Revere.
	But when he investigated Paul Revere, it turns out that after his famous ride, nobody knows where he went that day.
	He certainly wasn't amongst the Uh, local militias fighting the British.
	Um, he just disappeared and he didn't have a distinguished career after that.
	He fought in one battle in Maine, um, in which he was actually tried for cowardice and insubordination, although they cleared him of the charges, but he didn't have an exciting military career after that.
	So, Mel Gibson decided he'd play, uh, what they call, a guy they call the Swamp Fox down in South Carolina instead, um, because there wasn't that much to tell about Paul Revere after his ride was over.
	Now, I'm not trying to, I know that offends a lot of American patriots who have, um, Really looked on him.
	And I do want to say again that I respect our American patriots who I know they revere our founding fathers and I found some flaws in them.
	But our American patriots are actually the ones we have right now are conservative.
	They're against abortion.
	They're Christian, most of them.
	And they're the best defenders of liberty we have right now in America.
	So I want to always make sure I keep my peace with these people.
	They are good people.
	James Perloff, it's been great chatting to you, and I hope you'll come back on The Telling Pod again.
	Please tell us where we can read your books.
	Oh, by the way, I really recommend your essay on the history of It's a Wonderful Life.
	We won't talk about it now.
	Yeah, my website is jamesperloff.net, P-E-R-L-O-F-F, and you get all my books on Amazon except the one on COVID.
	They censored that after two months, but you can still buy it.
	Actually, if you subscribe to their website, you can get a free PDF or other versions, the EPUB version of that book.
	But bear in mind, it was written in 2020 before the vaccine rollout.
	I'm also on Twitter as James Perloff, but Twitter incredibly shadowbans me.
	I mean, if I tweet something, I'm supposed to have 24,000 followers.
	I might get three or four retweets and other people tweet the exact same thing and they'll get hundreds.
	You know, I'm definitely shout up in.
	So I've gone over to Gab.
	I'm on Twitter and on Gab.
	I get a lot more reposts from Gab with 700 followers than I do on Twitter with 24,000.
	I've tried to contact Elon Musk because he's supposed to be standing for free speech on Twitter, but no success so far.
	But yeah, my books are on Amazon and my website jamespoloff.net.
	So that's basically my story.
	You can always contact me through my website.
	Okay, and if you like my stuff and you want to support me, I mean obviously you can if you want to be a cheapskate, just carry on consuming it for free, but I really appreciate those of you who do support me.
	You can buy me a coffee, or three, or five.
	Somebody bought me lots more than that the other day, it was great.
	I was on a sort of caffeine jog for weeks thereafter.
	You can get early access to my stuff if you go to locals or to Patreon, Subscribestar, Substack is good.
	Yeah, do support me if you can.
	I really appreciate it.
	It helps for the cause and you don't want the money going to the mainstream media who are evil and want to destroy you.
	So it's on my way.
	James, thanks again.
	James Perloff, it's been a privilege.
	Well, I'm so glad you're having me on the show.
	I'm so glad we can connect across the Atlantic Ocean this way.
	You know, there was a time back when I wrote my first book, we didn't have any Internet at all.
	And if you want to look something up, you had to go to the library, look in a card catalog.
	So we've come a long way.
	And although the Internet's been used against us in a lot of ways, It's also been a good tool for us to interact and to find out information.
	So I'm grateful that we... It's great.
	OK, thanks a lot, James.

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