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March 12, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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I'm probably like you.
I'm feeling pissed off about about stuff.
Well, I'm mainly annoyed about the weather.
How is the snowy global warming treating you?
Oh, well, you see, so we had we had a winter wonderland yesterday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And but now it's melting.
So the winter wonderland will soon be gone, which is good because it means the ground will be good for the last day's hunting season.
Yes.
I thought you were going down that avenue.
Well, it's the only thing that matters, you know.
I'm one of those people who actually looks forward to, you know, when it's wet.
OK.
OK.
You want the ground to be soft.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Well, I mean, yeah.
What can you say?
It's March.
It's still snowing.
Yeah.
The lambs, the lambs in the fields around me, they put out the baby lamechins on the day when it snowed.
Then I took them straight back in, I assume.
No, they can cope with it.
It's going to be fine.
It's going to be fine.
There was one horror year about 10 years ago where it snowed about now and it was much, much colder for much, much longer.
And the lambs were just dying.
It was carnage in the fields.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Also, I mean, it's only it's because of the wind that it's snowing.
It's not really.
I mean, it's not because of a deep overall drop in the temperature.
No, it's Bexner.
It's part of the PSYOP.
Is it everything according to you?
Yeah, it is.
Well, I wanted to talk to you about various PSYOPs, but I know you want to rant in Laura-esque fashion on The Times.
I've kind of, yeah, OK, well, we'll do The Times because I've sort of gotten over the lockdown file situation.
I mean, they haven't they haven't come out with any.
I mean, I think it's more useful Then you think it's useful.
Well, can we talk about that in a bit?
Yeah, yeah.
That can be the money shot, because actually it's still... It's still rankles with you.
Well, it's rankling more, actually.
OK.
Because I'm seeing now how the story is panning out, or rather how the effects are panning out.
Yes.
All right, OK.
They are getting exactly the response they want.
OK, well, you can explain that to me.
No, I just noticed.
I just noticed in front of the time.
I know that you don't.
Yeah, I know that you don't don't read the mainstream media.
I mean, rightly so.
Because you can do it for me.
I do.
Yeah, we do.
I do it for you.
The first small, I mean, I assume that let's just give the I'm sure our educated listeners kind of already know how the mainstream media works, namely that it is, as you say, a lie machine.
But I first, it was the story to the side, and I saw it covered in The Guardian as well, first grabbed my attention.
Again, I'm no scientist, but it says, lab delivers, did you see this one?
Motherless mice with two fathers.
Okay.
So some, I mean, scientists have successfully created healthy mice with two fathers in a breakthrough.
Elton and David.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that could pave the way for gay men to have children related to both parents.
Okay.
And again, but if we if we if we focus on the motherless word in the headline, so basically, it seems not going into that.
So the research involved reprogramming a skin cell from a male mouse to become a stem cell.
Because it was a male cell, it had XY chromosomes.
As we know, you can't change your chromosomes, right?
Once you're XY, you're male.
Deal with it, okay?
No matter what you do to yourself, you cannot change.
If that's true, Laura, I'm gutted.
I wanted to become a lady who lunches.
Yeah, well, so did I, but I didn't marry high enough.
I wanted longer orgasms and I wanted to be into handbags.
You're saying that my dream, are you treading on my dreams?
I am treading on your dreams.
I'm also going to tread on these dreams as well, of the motherless mice.
So it had x-ray chromosomes, meaning it could not turn into an egg.
Okay, you with me yet?
We remember our biology, which is female.
And XX.
Remember that?
OK.
Then the scientist team found a method of removing the Y chromosome and replacing it with an X chromosome.
All right.
Well, where do you think they got the X chromosome from?
That would be the female mice.
So if we're going to go down this mouse road, in other words, the mother.
Right.
It's not a motherless mouse at all.
You've taken the X chromosome from the female mouse.
No doubt that X chromosome has dictated the whole genetic set up of it.
And essentially, you've got one YYY and one YY cell, and that cell has been probably emptied of its nuclei, and the X, the female cell has been put in there.
I mean, but it's just, it's just the point about this, this agenda, again, is just to change our world and make us believe that eventually, mothers and motherless children, completely motherless children, genetically motherless children will be a possibility.
Nope.
Because you still need the X chromosome.
Don't lie!
You liars!
It's what's known as playing God.
It's also actually, I would argue, what's known as defying God.
It's trying to supplant the Creator.
And this is what everything tends to.
It goes back to the Tower of Babel.
It's about replacing God.
And that's what they're all about and what they always have been about.
Yeah, well, it caught my eye because this is the latest in about three or four stories in two weeks that the Times have run that I think have pushed the same-sex parenting agenda, because there's two gay guys out there that have a book out on surrogacy and how they're raising their child through surrogacy.
I mean, you know, this is nothing new now.
This is five or ten years old.
So this is, again, another story.
If you're talking about the lie machine, why is this story on your front page now?
First of all, you're talking about genetically engineered children.
And secondly, they're not motherless because you still need your X chromosome.
But yeah, it's just feeding into this lie that, you know, mothers are unnecessary.
You don't need your traditional family.
Get over yourselves.
Move on.
I mean, you can only imagine that the Guardian actually used the word tantalizing.
The tantalizing prospects Of having a child from two fathers, because then they can really stick it to the conservatives and the traditionalists who've always said, you know, you've got a right to your mother and father.
Now, there you go, conservatives, you and your mothers.
But you don't even need mothers.
You don't have them at the moment.
And so in a minority of cases through surrogacy.
But now you really won't even have you won't even have your mother's genes.
How do you like that?
Well, it's tantalizing.
It is tantalising.
Not maybe so tantalising for the genetically engineered child, but it's certainly tantalising for the deranged social engineers that obviously live in the time.
So that's my first rant.
Yeah.
Do you see what I did with that story?
Yeah.
Laura, I'm with you.
I'm with you.
The bigger story.
So then I didn't get through.
I read this while ignoring my own very child that has a mother.
Weight loss drugs.
Well, get ready for this, dear listener.
Waste-loss drugs could help to trim the benefits bill.
Ooh!
Well, we know our benefits bill is big, so anything that would help trim the benefits bill, I'm on board.
Okay, you got all the right-wing people on board.
We're going to reduce this gargantuan benefits bill, okay?
Treasury urged to fund treatment for up to two million.
Oh, hang on.
Oh, hang on, we're spending before we're saving.
Oh, that's only in the small print.
That's in the... I think they call that the lead-in.
We've got to shell out 12 million before we can get anything back.
OK?
But the whole thing is one big advertisement for pharma.
OK, for big pharma.
We're going to go down there.
I'm going to have to put my disclaimer in in a minute.
But anyway.
Millions of people could be offered a new generation of weight loss drugs under plans to turn the tide on obesity and get benefit claimants back to work.
After the approval of a game-changing, well not some scare quotes, weight loss job yesterday, health officials believe that obesity drugs could ultimately be offered to up to 12 million people.
Okay?
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We could never have nanny state measures.
I'll tell you what nanny state measures are.
I mean, anyway, it goes on because this is the real clangor here goes on.
Oh, yeah.
Adding the obesity, adding basically four billion to the benefits bill this year alone.
So these are people too fat to work.
Professor.
Chris, sir, Chris Whitty, you may know him from the previous episodes.
Maybe, I don't know.
Our listeners might not remember him, but yeah, he was in the news a few times.
I can't remember exactly.
Yeah, the Chief Medical Officer for England, of course he is, is being consulted about how to overcome a series of regulatory and practical hurdles Regulatory.
Well, because, yeah, because facing the plans as well as ensuring that they are accepted by doctors, because there's no point in getting big pharma billions to give them drugs if the GPs aren't on board with this.
But you know what?
We're going to take this story across in a minute.
Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to take a wild flying guess here.
I reckon.
I've just got a feeling that the doctors are going to be persuaded with the help of these wheelbarrows of cash and these kind of weekends where they get sort of two days of golf in a ritzy resort and they have an hours meeting with Big Pharma where they get supplied with alcohol and it's explained to them that this could really cut obesity.
But the other thing I'm worried about is the regulators.
The regulators, they're a really tough, tough hurdle.
They're a huge hurdle.
Very tough.
Incredible.
Don't worry.
I mean, don't worry, because Professor Sir Chris Whitty, as I said, we know him from previous episodes, he will be consulted on how to overcome the very tough, the tough regulation.
Well, he knows because he's the Chief Medical Officer and he would have our best interests at heart, I think.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Definitely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And it goes on.
There's Barclays Bank somehow is in there as well.
Possible side effects include constipation and diarrhoea.
And Halford cautioned that to make the drugs more widely available, quote, we will need to see major investment in services.
Investment means money.
That means money in the community.
These actually are quite powerful drugs.
So they do they do need medical supervision.
James, they yeah, they will need medical.
It's lucky that the NHS It's not our NHS is not short staffed and that we know plenty of money available to promote these schemes.
Yeah.
And I mean, nice, nice.
We're there.
OK, so this is my reading of it.
OK, so first of all, we actually did.
This is what you get from dimwitted conservatives in public.
And I actually saw a dimwitted conservative on TV once because, you know, when they now we may differ on this.
And the viewer may differ on this, but I'm fine with a sugar tax.
I'm fine with all of it because, and I'll tell you why, people, so the dim-witted conservative, who I won't name, was like, I don't want the government telling me what to eat.
And it's like, no, we're not telling you what to eat.
What I'm telling is big food industry, especially big sugar.
We are telling them how they can flog their incredibly unhealthy food.
And I don't think it's a big imposition on your liberty to say, actually, you can't put a gargantuan size dairy milk on the till just as you're about to pay for, you know, your grocery.
And there's all obviously also you're regulating how something is marketed.
I just want to say the big food and big sugar, James, you're slim, so you don't have the issue.
And I don't I don't want to fat shame anybody, because really, they have changed the food environment so much in the last 20 to 30 years that you have to have so much willpower.
The Conservatives are doing instead of taking on the big food industry and big sugar and regulating them that will reduce their profits, because I sense some of them may well make donations to the Conservative Party, they are now going to push a very powerful drug once they get around the regulatory, you know, causes, regulatory hurdles.
That will cost the Treasury billions, right?
Billions to get this drug off the ground in the hope that one day the poor obese people will go back to work and earn enough so that the benefits bill can be trimmed.
You see how many hurdles you have to leap before that headline becomes even close to being truthful?
Yeah.
You're right.
I kind of disagree with you on pricing sugar.
Because, of course, I mean, sugar's cheap.
And even if you double... No, but they put sugar in everything.
That's what I resent.
I don't mind the bar of chocolate so much.
What I hate is when they put sugar in something that people don't think there's sugar in.
That's what I don't like.
And they put it in everything.
Well, you know why they do it, don't you?
Well, to get them to buy more stuff.
Well, it all goes back to Ansel Keyes in the 1950s, who came up with the bullshit theory about how fat is the problem.
Fat is a carrier of flavour.
Which is why people who drink semi-skim milk are idiots.
Yeah, I'm with you.
Or Egypt, as you would call it.
Exactly.
That's why they put the sugar in, to make up for the lack of taste.
And who tells them that fat is bad Who's given all these ridiculous food guidelines, right, to eat all the carbs and eat your low-fat sugar and your low-fat yogurt?
The government!
The government has brought out loads of guidance that has caused an obesity problem, along with the food industry, and now it's going to try and get Big Pharma along and give it billions of our money to try and solve the problem it caused.
What's interesting, Laura, is The Times.
You and I are old enough to remember a time where the Times was held up as a kind of pillar of the establishment.
And we thought the establishment was something different in those days.
We thought it was the kind of, well, all the different institutions which make up our country and supposedly made it great and et cetera, et cetera.
Actually, this is just, again, part of the illusion.
I was talking to Mark Stein on the podcast yesterday.
Was this on his show or your podcast?
On my podcast.
It's a good one.
It isn't out at the time I'm talking to you now, but it will be soon.
But Mark was reminding me of the time when, do you remember when Murdoch bought the Times.
You guys are, you know, you are a little bit older than me, but I mean, Mark is Mark is in his 60s.
So he.
Yeah.
Right.
Oh, yeah, I forget.
Sorry.
Sorry, child.
But when when when Rupert Murdoch.
Yes.
Brought up the Times whenever it was.
Yeah.
There was much discussion in in Parliament about the ethics of this because it was feared.
This is what Stein pointed out.
It was feared that The Times would no longer honour the distinction between news and editorial.
Right.
Yeah, that maybe the news stories might, on rare occasions, when Murdoch let his guard down, that an agenda might slip into the news reporting.
And now, fast forward however many decades from that point, we've got The Boughton paid four times, like all the other Boughton papers.
Just pushing this propaganda on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry.
It is outrageous.
No, it is outrageous.
I just, I'm going to put in my big disclaimer now because I do, you know, that we're not giving out any medical advice in terms of eating or whatever.
Please consult, genuinely consult your medical health professional.
But the best way from all my listening of podcasts and reading of books to try and get control of your wealth or health and weight is to fast, is to try and introduce some fasting into your, into your life.
I've just finished a big podcast on it.
Have you heard about my weight loss program?
I'm doing a weight loss drug.
It's called No Carb.
- Yeah, no carbs. - And what you do is you eat lots of meat and as much fat as you like, and you don't eat carbs.
- Yeah, so-- - And it's really expensive, this diet.
Yes, it is expensive because I've heard of it.
I've obviously heard of it.
I'm like, okay, I'm not, I can't do this.
It's less than 12 million.
Yeah, that's true.
But too expensive for my household.
And also, supposedly women and men should be fasting differently and we should have some carbs at certain times of the month.
So I'm allowed to have some carbs.
Ha ha, you're not.
Hang on, I was just going to I'm just moving on to my little rantette.
OK, so you ask me why I am... You're going to wave around a steak.
No, I'm just going to quote an example of the problem that I mean.
Yeah.
OK, so where are we?
I can't eat just meat though.
But also the meat has to be high quality.
That's the other issue.
You can't, you know, it's ideally organic, grass fed, it costs an arm and a flipping leg.
I know, trying to get grass-fed butter.
Ooh, I get organic but I don't, is it safe?
Do you know that, you being Irish and all, do you know the cheap way of getting grass-fed butter?
Yeah, putting a cow in?
Your cheapest grass-fed butter, do you know what it is?
You should know.
What?
From your land.
I don't know, what?
Think of the famous Irish butters that you get cheap.
Kerrygold?
Kerrygold are bechasers.
Yes, exactly.
Kerrygold.
It's what the leprechauns eat, but also... Are you serious?
Why are the leprechauns... Are you serious?
All of the cows are out in the grass in Ireland.
Why are the leprechauns so healthy?
It's because they all lick out of little sort of fairy churns of butter.
They eat Kerrygold.
They eat grass fed.
I've had plenty of Kerrygold in my life, but I've gone to organic butter, but maybe I'll go back.
OK, so we've got this this girl called Dominique Samuels.
Yeah, I know her.
And she advertises herself as a broadcaster, as seen on BBC, ITV, Sky News, Channel 4, Channel 5, GP News.
So here's somebody who very much needs to be in the mainstream media and to operate within the Overton window, because that's kind of her business model.
Fair enough.
She annoyed me this morning, so she tweets out... Where are we?
You've got to have it to hand.
Oh, it's so annoying.
I had it and then it went away.
Well, I can talk for... Oh, here we are, here we are.
She says, I'm getting so sick.
Of the constant negativity from people whenever there's a bit of good news.
It's either abstraction, not good enough, or won't change anything anyway.
This is how she represents our position.
If you focus on the negative, you will only invite more negative outcomes.
Some people want to be miserable and for others to join them.
Beware.
Well, thank you, oh gatekeeper.
But why?
Why do you think that was directed at you, James?
I mean, do you think you're an over... No, no.
I doubt she gives a toss about about me.
She, for Dominic Samuels, read so many Twitter commentators who are determined to keep a foot in in both camps.
Like, like, like, you know, is it cock up or is it is it conspiracy?
Well, yeah, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you why I'm I'm still Increasingly concerned, actually, about the the Hancock email non-story.
Yeah.
Which is that it is giving people permission, giving the semi-awake permission to go back to sleep, because suddenly they can look at this story and go, well, here is this rogue minister, Matt Hancock.
He's he was crazy.
He was dangerous.
Look at his emails.
Look at how awful his aides are.
Look at how awful that man from the Cabinet Office is, Simon Case.
Look at these terrible people.
These terrible people hijacked policy and committed us to all these terrible things like lockdowns and quarantine hotels or quarantine conferences and this and that.
And it was just a bunch of incompetent, power-crazed, Yeah, civil servants and ministers just taking really wrong decisions and cocking it up.
And we needn't worry anymore about about the World Economic Forum.
We needn't worry about the fact that this is all planned in 2019 at event 201.
We needn't worry about about Bill Gates.
We needn't worry about vaccine injuries because now we've solved the problem.
It turns out it was all just if only we had more competent ministers next time, or maybe if only we give more power.
Well, look, I totally, I totally get that.
I can absolutely see that they've sort of, yeah, the limited hangout.
these are the experts, right?
If we give them more say next time, we won't have Matt Hancock making wrong decisions.
And it's all Matt Hancock's fault.
And so, hey, we can all go back to sleep. - Well, look, I totally get that.
I can absolutely see that they've sort of, yeah, the limited hangout.
Look, it depends, you know, it does depend on how you view it.
I can see how they've given you the question always is.
Right.
And I think you would ask if why now?
But why are we?
It goes for the party gate.
Right.
And it goes for the lockdown files.
OK.
And they're not files.
I noticed that they're text messages.
If only we had the files.
Yes, and if only we had the complete set.
Yes, because some works have to be very careful about what words they use, because most of it, again, so the Telegraph has used the word files, right, as if they've sort of kind of gone in there to number 10 and breached the Official Secrets Act and taken out all of the smoking gun and the files and all the rest of it, it's like you've gotten Some text messages, but I don't want to, I don't want to say, I think, I think it's still absolutely worth covering for, you know, for a number of reasons.
Look, the question is, yeah, Partygate, why now?
OK, why then?
They had those, they knew that whole Partygate story at the time of the lockdown.
They didn't tell us that then because they knew that it would undermine the entire policy.
They only gave us Partygate when Boris became dispensable.
OK, so I agree with you on that.
And now the lockdown texts.
Why now?
I mean, she had them since when she read the book, right?
Wrote the book.
So although I don't want to go for Isabelle Oakeshott because that's what the entire Murdoch media have been doing.
And I think it's worth asking yourself why.
On that particular point.
Yes.
They want you to be in one of two camps.
Either you're really pro-Isabel Oakeshott, who is a whistleblower and a heroine, or you're anti-Isabel Oakeshott for betraying her NDA.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My position is it doesn't matter.
She's just a tool.
She's just a means to an end.
That's fine.
But I certainly wouldn't be attacking her.
Because again, the Murdoch press has definitely gone for her.
Obviously they would because they didn't get the story.
Yeah, I know.
But to me, it's gone above and beyond that.
And it was quite coordinated across, you know, most of the papers.
So the question is, yeah, why now?
You know, OK, you could say that it took them a while to go through the messages, et cetera, et cetera.
It never leaked, which is kind of amazing.
They must have had a lot of people on the story writing the telegraph and it didn't ever leak before now.
Isn't that amazing?
The journalists.
- You think about how much these papers pay their investigative reporters.
I mean, particularly the Mail, for example.
The Mail prides itself.
- Yes.
- And I suppose the Sun, to a degree, they used to pride themselves on how good they were at getting these scoops and unearthing scandals.
And amazingly, in three years, up until now, none of them got this story that. - Yeah, so obviously they want Matt Hancock destroyed for some reason.
It's not because he imposed a lockdown policy.
That isn't the reason why.
They're just pissed off at Matt Hancock.
Who knows why?
Probably because he went to the show.
No, they're not.
Well, they want to get rid of him, I think.
That's so not the reason.
He was selectioned.
Laura, sorry, but you're pretty right on this one.
Matt Hancock was talking about the Fourth Industrial Revolution at World Economic Forum Conferences in Davos in 2017.
The guy is totally on board.
He knows what's going on.
He was probably earmarked for the role that he occupied during the pandemic that wasn't a pandemic, which was completely fake.
So 2017, he was selected for this role.
20, whenever it was 2020, 2019, he was he was parachuted into this role.
It was always part of the plan that Hancock would would would be the dick that he is probably even.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if even his alleged affair was was was part of the plan.
Certainly his his rehabilitative appearance on on I'm a Celebrity on the game show would have been planned.
His exit from politics would have been planned.
He would have accepted a deal, sort of like a plea bargain, if you like, that if we don't focus on your Midazolam murders, Hancock, you will be our scapegoat.
You're not going to you're not going to suffer any serious reputational damage because how can you damage a reputation which doesn't exist anyway?
You'll be the scapegoat.
But it's all going to be OK, Matt, and you'll be doing your job and you'll be rich.
He's taken he's taken the hit that's That, you know, this is that that's your view.
Totally.
It's obvious.
I mean, you know well enough how the mainstream media works.
You know that it's all it's all it's part of the that's the propaganda machine.
It's not.
None of this stuff is real.
Well, OK.
Well, I think I mean, I also think why do they want to get rid of Simon Case then?
That's that's no accident.
Right.
Somebody in there doesn't like him and he'll be gone soon enough, I would imagine.
The Cabinet Office, you name somebody who heads the Cabinet Office, who is not deep state through and through, is not part of the big evil agenda.
They're all active.
Everyone in the civil service, senior civil service, from Melanie Dawes to Simon Cash, they're all active.
The big question for me is how much of the public, how much difference do you think this has made the public?
Because I think, again, you know, this is probably more you, on your point, is that I think it's probably made, if you poll them again, if you believe polls, which I don't, but if you poll them again and say, well, do you think lockdown was necessary and a good idea?
I'm sure the overwhelming majority will come back saying, yes, yes, totally, totally do it again.
You know, it saved lives.
And I don't think it's really changed public opinion for the lockdown at all.
I think a lot of people also don't want to remember the madness.
I think there's definitely a lot of willful blindness.
Because even I, you know, it takes you back to that time and the level of, because I wrote in my blog, the level of idiocy.
You remember the whole scotch egg thing?
You know how the presence of a scotch egg in your meal in the pub could suddenly turn Yeah, yeah.
The public health situation in that pub from One of Danger, now it was fine because the COVID realised that you were having a scotch egg, so we completely avoid you, you know.
But this stuff is by design as well, you know.
This is what Theodore Dalrymple used to say about the Soviet Union.
They do this stuff.
They know that you know.
It's part of the humiliation.
So it's designed to humiliate.
Yes.
No, I definitely I definitely accept.
I mean, I think the masks again, the New York Times have come out and said basically it was they were useless.
The we now know for sure that the only reason they they masked the kids in secondary school was because they were afraid that that, you know, Nicola Sturgeon had done it.
And they specifically said some parents would be nervous.
If you, if you didn't do it.
So they were pointlessly masked, which I think, but yeah, the mask to me was definitely part of the, the, the humiliation.
And a lot of the text messages have said, you know, we need masks to, to, to ramp up the fear.
It wasn't really to do with, with, you know, containing any, any, any, you know, the COVID it was, it was, it was one of their most.
Potent, I think, symbols of, as you say, conformism, humiliation and terror, you know, the mask.
Have you noticed the other story, and this is no coincidence, the other story they're really pushing heavily at the moment in the mainstream media and these kind of semi-awake commentators on Twitter, they're pushing it too.
Go on.
It's the lab leak thing.
Oh, yeah.
So so so whereas before we say we went through the stage, didn't we?
It was pangolins.
It was it was it was it was bats in a cave.
Yeah.
And then and then a few brave, edgy, edgy, supposedly journalists came up.
Maybe it was a lab leak.
And this was, of course, denied.
Now we've moved on to the stage where even the US government is pushing the idea that, yes, maybe it was a lab leak.
We think it could have been a lab leak out of Wuhan.
Yeah.
Well, this is a complete non-story.
This is, again, is part of the distraction.
So suddenly everyone in the world is a virologist.
Everyone knows terms like gain of function.
They know what gain of function means.
It means In these labs, all around the world, in Ukraine and in China, funded by Peter Danczak and Anthony Fauci and yada, yada, yada.
These labs are experimenting with these mutant strains of virus and they're injecting things into the, they're altering the code to give them this thing called gain of function.
And everyone, everyone, even people who haven't got O-level biology, They know what gain of function is.
They're real experts and they know it's a problem.
And they know that what this means is that this is no ordinary virus.
This is much more than a rebadged flu.
This is a special deadly virus that takes away your taste buds and kills grandma in a much more deadly way than flu would.
And this is why we should be worried because with all these labs around working on these new enhanced strains of virus, we've got to be on the lookout for the next pandemic.
This is the real purpose of the story.
And the other purpose of the story is the deep state in Patrick Henningsen, by the way, is very good on this.
Yeah, that the security, the intelligence agencies in the US and the UK are really keen.
They're really hot for war with with China.
Yeah.
With with Russia.
And you see these calls for reparations from the Chinese because they owe the world gazillions, bazillions.
They are because because they they didn't because of their lab.
their lack of lab security.
This terrible virus, which has ruined us all, totally not our own fault, has ruined the global economy for the last three years.
This crept out of the evil Chinese laboratory and therefore we should A, try and get money off them and B, probably ultimately go to war with them because they are, I mean, I'm really looking forward to this war with China and Russia because we've got such great armed forces.
I'm nearly with Dominic now.
I mean, you you're you're I can I can sense it.
I think where I think the gap is that, you know, I could never be as sure as you are in terms of Saying, you know, why the story is being put there, what's the angle?
I mean, I completely agree that, you know, they're manipulating you to think a certain way.
And whatever they're feeding you, that's definitely not what you should be thinking.
But I mean, I couldn't I couldn't say I couldn't sort of go down.
I certainly help you.
Government are hot for war.
You know, I'm happy to help you.
I mean, I don't need I don't need to demonstrate that the government is hot for war because you only have to look at the statements by what's he called?
The guy in charge of 77th Brigade, the appalling, appalling.
Well, Ben Wallace as well.
He's part of the problem.
Oh, no, the warmongering from the West is very bad.
And do you know what?
This is definitely not as powerful, perhaps, as what you said.
Do you know what I really want to ban on?
Ministers and politicians in army fatigues.
It's just like, I know Thatcher started this, but I'm just like, no, no, I don't want any more.
The Times often runs that stupid Ben Wallace photograph of him in a tank.
You know, they love the hats.
And then that Rishi scenic with Valensky running around in your army fatigue.
And this, this is, again, this was the third item.
In case we didn't miss the point, you know, it's Kate.
Kate is going to... If lovely Kate is hot for war, then who are we to deny it?
She's joined the Irish Guards for a training exercise on snowy Salisbury Plain.
But what they're really telling you is...
Of course, will the likes of Kate or Ben Wallace or Rishi Sunak or Valensky actually be in actual fatigues and on the front line when it happens?
No.
Do you know why else people like Ben Wallace like going in the turrets of tanks?
Why?
So they've got big, big guns.
Yeah.
And it's kind of like that down below.
And so they've got this enormous penis extension.
And it shows that anyway.
But the point I was.
What was Marta Thatcher's excuse then?
Well, I think she was always a sort of man monkey.
She was always a man.
Yeah, she was.
She needed that strap on.
You're terrible.
But no, look.
No, they should be absolutely banned.
I need a safe space whenever I see those photographs.
I need to pet my dog or something.
It really triggers me.
You asked me just a moment ago how I can be so sure about this, that this is all fake, the lab leak stuff.
It goes like this.
We won't go into a terrain theory, because you don't need that for this particular argument.
You only have to look very early on.
It became clear to me.
Yeah.
And to anyone who looked who paid attention that this was not a pandemic.
I mean, we know that the World Health Organization had to change the definition of pandemic.
Yeah.
To make this thing fit fit what they wanted.
There was never a pandemic.
If you look at the age adjusted mortality figures in England and Wales, for example, which go back to before before the war, you found that there was nothing in 2020, nothing in the mortality to suggest that this was in any way abnormal.
It was just a fairly average, average year for coughs and sneezes.
And obviously some people died because people always do.
It's not as though old people didn't die of the flu in previous years.
They did.
And there was no significant rise in deaths.
It was average.
So they had to persuade us that.
That this thing was a new thing rather than an old thing.
And you looked, for example, at the the remarkable reduction in flu deaths.
You know, flu just.
Sure.
Sure.
I know it seemed to disappear.
Yeah.
There's covid.
Somehow the nasty covid virus thing.
Yeah.
I suppose it must have a tap or influenza as well.
It must have.
I mean, didn't one of the text messages from which he say that they wouldn't have been able to fast track the vaccine because Covid actually wasn't serious enough?
They did.
That is that is one of the very, very few emails or revelations or whatever that is quite interesting.
If that had been the dominant story, like, hang on a second, guys, this was never real.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the Telegraph certainly aren't going to run it like that.
But the other issue that just kind of annoys me is that, you know, I don't subscribe to the Telegraph for obvious reasons.
And obviously, all of it is behind paywall.
So you have to wait for the other papers to report on it.
And you're like, if you thought it was this important, you would take it out from your paywall, basically.
I know, I'm never going to subscribe to you, even for the sake of reading the lockdown text messages.
But yeah, I mean, anyway, I'll leave you to be sure on the overarching narrative.
We've got our roles, Laura.
You are the mainstream media reader.
Yes.
And the crap TV watcher.
Well, I've definitely been watching less of the crap TV.
We can do that.
I mean, I know we lost all of that on the previous blog.
No, but that was it.
The fatigues, the people in fatigues.
Well, I saw Sunak and Valensky running around in some seats.
It actually reminded me, you know, that there's quite a famous photograph of Prince William and Prince Harry when they were kids.
They were dressed as Nazis.
No, that was when they were older.
When they were kids, they got to dress up in the army uniform and go in all the tanks and all that stuff.
And I'm like, this is exactly what Zelensky and Sunak are doing, only they're actual leaders of their country and not children.
It's just, yeah, as I said, I can't handle it.
It's just so awful.
But yeah, I mean, let's see, I don't think we're going to get, I think the excitement over Lockdown Texas is definitely reducing.
Obviously, they're very excited about it over there in the Telegraph.
Look, I think it's useful, you know, I definitely think there's some use to it, but I get that.
It's certainly worth asking the question, why now?
Use for wiping your bottom on.
Yeah.
And also it definitely hasn't changed the public's mind.
I mean, I'm pretty sure on that, unfortunately, because of the willful blindness and the self-humiliation and stuff like that.
Like, if you had gone through all that, right, if you had bought into the mask, And born into the Scotch Egg nonsense, right?
And slapped a mask on your teenager and, you know, driven around in your car on your own with your mask and all that stuff.
You wouldn't want to think you've been had, right?
Because that would make you a fool.
Oh, totally.
It's like if at the Christmas party you shout Doris from accounts and you're going to want to forget about this moment.
that this this this terrible thing that you did and yeah you're right i would have thought even that experience would be would have been better than than eating a scotch egg through your face mask you know i don't know i don't want doris from the camp maybe maybe she's quite fit after a few doris could be fit i mean you don't know You don't know.
Unfortunately, it just isn't going to, I think, change many minds.
You do wonder what the cut-through is.
I suspect it isn't as deep as the Telegraph.
I mean, it's on their front pages all the time, I guess, but yeah.
And anyway, it's not like all of this stuff is dissuading the big pharma whores over at the Times who are now flogging the latest obesity injection.
Do they mention, is it an mRNA injection?
I didn't get that far.
Does it use?
It's just so unnecessary, as I said, because you can actually do so many other things for free that isn't going to cost us billions.
But surprise, they're not going to go down that route.
So that's what you're stuck with.
So tell me about your... I can't remember what we said about TV last time.
I can talk to you a little bit about TV because I went back to Ireland a few weeks ago.
It was for the weekend.
It was for my goddaughter's confirmation.
And how awful is it?
No, it's fine.
Well, it's fine over there.
Well, my family are there.
Yeah, but what?
Are we talking Dublin here?
Well, it's a bit further out of Dublin now.
Dublin is a toilet, you've got to admit.
That is no longer Ireland.
I don't think I can stand for that.
I'm not sure.
I actually, to be honest, I haven't been in Dublin City in four, maybe five years.
It's been ages.
We're further out.
There is a lot of building.
They have a lot of building going on.
There aren't many green, green grasses of home.
I don't mind that so much because I think, you know, families, families need homes.
Irish families, but not kind of migrants being shipped in to dilute the mix and act as policemen for when it kicks off.
Yeah, well, that isn't happening down our way.
I just, you know, the other thing, James, is because when I go over there, you know, I like to detox.
I just don't like to get involved in huge political things.
So I just I put on my own blinkers, you know, put on my own blinkers.
I get into my own delusional Severe, because I can't, you know, you can't do it all the time.
So no, it didn't, that didn't strike me.
I mean, there was a cafe Nero in the in the place, which I wouldn't have thought ever hit where I was visiting.
So I was very impressed by that and took a picture of it.
And I said, I think that I'll spend two weeks at the end of August here.
But my point was, my point is my we don't have Netflix anymore, as loyal Readers of the website will know because it was too woke and we got rid of it.
And the kids, of course, are not very happy about this.
And we don't have Disney because, again, we cancelled our free.
Oh, well, you missed Spencer Matthews going up Everest to retrieve the body of his of his brother.
Well, that's on the Disney Channel.
Is that any good?
I would imagine that was all right.
It's it's very good.
Yeah.
I mean, I can never get enough Everest.
Yeah.
It's always good because you've got the death zone and loads of people die.
Well, I did watch the documentary on Disney about the boy, you know, the rescue, the Thai rescue of the boys.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is a lot better than whatever movie hit prime.
All I kept hearing about the movie was, oh, they haven't done the white, this would have been really noisy, they haven't done the white saviour thing, because you know, that would have been bad.
It incorporates the sacrifices of various Thai farmers had to make.
And okay, fair enough, they did.
But I'm sorry, the people who saved their lives were white, and they were from the West, and they were male.
And also, Laura, as I recall, it wasn't a bunch of European tourists who got stuck in the caves.
It was a bunch of locals.
Yeah, I mean the documentary I remember I watched one Christmas with my son and it was really good.
Don't get me wrong, I think even the documentaries on Netflix were good, some of the documentaries on Disney were good, but there was plenty there to annoy me.
So we got rid of all of those.
So I go back to my parents' house and they have Netflix.
So I'm watching The Crown, which as you know, I have liked on previous occasions.
And I'm looking at this programme, whatever the latest series, and Diana's in it and Charles is in it and they do that awful thing.
Anyway, and the whole marriage is falling apart, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just You know, I'm a patient person, okay?
But it's far too slow.
I'm like, I'm sorry, but staring endlessly is not acting, okay?
Even from either side, this is, no.
And also the actress who plays Diana, this is, all she does is, and I'm sorry to be critical in a way, you know, cause she's got the heavy mascara, cause that's what Diana did.
And then she does the whole, you know.
Yeah.
That's really good.
Well, it would be really good if I put on like five inches of mascara and just maybe wore all black and, you know, yeah, I don't know, it's just like, just kind of like very short, you know, and just wouldn't...
And just kind of cried a lot.
And I'm like, again, again, I'm like, no, I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So I've just been watching old DVDs.
I bought Birdsong on eBay, rewatched that.
Quite a lot of staring in that as well.
Did you learn?
Did you learn about the horror and pity of war, Laura?
Did you learn that?
Look, I think they're all, look, look, look, look.
Now, now.
I think they all do.
All of those first world books and movies do a really good job of telling us yet again that our government are liars.
They lied then and they have not stopped lying to us since.
You know, there's a scene where they're giving out the wire cutters.
And the guy is like, because they've all been told, don't worry, you're going to go over there.
Don't worry.
We've been bombarding these Germans for ages.
It'll break up the wire.
We've broken the wire.
You go there with your 50 year old rifle and say hi to those German machine guns.
And then the poor soldiers are going along, you know, and picking up their wire cutters.
And some poor Scottish 18 year old going, why are they giving us wire cutters?
Right.
If they've told, if they've said, they've just told us they've cut the wires.
Right.
And you're just like, Exactly.
No, I don't think you can watch enough of that.
And I've also been re-watching the Vietnam documentary by Ken Burns, who is very left-wing, but also very good.
And you're just like, this is just, again, it's just more lies.
Does Ken Burns mention the fact, the key fact, that America started the war?
Yeah, the whole thing is, like, is America started the war.
Oh, good.
OK, so maybe I should watch it then.
I mean, the Gulf of Tonkin incident is a shocker.
They actually lied about... They said they'd been attacked by the US fleet, commanded by... Do you know who commanded the US fleet in Vietnam?
This wasn't Westmoreland, was it?
Jim Morrison's father.
Jim Morrison from the Doors.
Wow.
His father.
Yes.
His father commanded the fleet.
So Jim Morrison's dad was all over the lie.
That was part of the massacre that ended up in the deaths of millions of Vietnamese and 55,000, I think, Americans.
Yeah, about 55,000.
58,000, I think.
The same amount of men who were killed or injured on the first day of Thaw, which was 60,000.
So did you see how they work in the numbers in, as you say, dwarfs compared to what the Vietnamese civilians and military suffered?
But they work in sixty thousands, tens of thousands the West when it comes to sacrificing their own men.
You know, they don't they don't use small numbers.
No, no.
So I think I can't get enough of those.
Do you find that, Laura?
I mean, maybe you never went through this appalling stage, but I was sort of as a sort of As a child of the British public school system and stuff, I kind of thought, well, it doesn't matter how many of the enemy we kill, because they're kind of collateral damage in the war of goodness, and we're trying to make the world a better place.
I don't think I was ever kind of, who cares how many Vietnamese died, but it mattered to me less Yes, the number of American candidates, because they were like us.
Yeah.
Now, I say, hang on a second.
Imagine if you'd been Vietnamese.
Yeah.
Even if even if it maybe it was wrong to that they made a bad a bad choice by by.
I mean, it was still their choice and it was not for us to try and go in there and just sort of wipe them out because.
Yeah.
No, I think on that, I think, look, I always think, I don't think it's worth criticizing yourself for having a greater connection, you know, with people who look Western and seem Western and obviously the American culture dominates so much that You do have a connection.
You just need to take a little bit more time to say, yeah, not only were these Vietnamese, your fellow human beings, were getting out of Qatar now, but it was even worse than that, is that it was even worse because they were peasants.
You know, you were going in there, they were going in there bombing the poorest of the poor, you know.
And I mean, Muhammad Ali was right in what he said, right?
I mean, no one No Viet Cong ever called him the N-word, right?
He said, I'm not flying around the world to drop a load of bombs on a load of peasants.
I'm not doing it.
The stuff that we absolutely deplore in the Vietnam War, the American napalming and Agent Orange, this wholesale destruction, the burning of villages and stuff.
The Americans were just as bad in the Second World War.
There's whole swathes of stuff that we are not told.
You know, we're always focusing on the German massacres of the American prisoners at Malmedy in the Battle of the Bulge.
You think the Americans weren't shooting prisoners right, left and centre?
They weren't just bombing the shit out of villages just because maybe there was one 88mm gun in a or somebody standing in a church tower.
So they would just wipe out the village.
I'm sure that's true.
I mean, I guess the divide between good and evil, though, is still so obvious there that you don't, well.
No, I'm afraid not.
I'm down.
I'm not down that route.
Look, I think the Germans were as much victims of the war as as the Allies.
This was the German civilians.
The second the Second World War.
Now, including the German combatants that the Second World War was engineered by the same people who started the First World War.
That's a rabbit hole.
You've got to go down.
It was started.
Not going down that road at all.
I refuse.
But I mean, in terms of the thing that gets me with Vietnam, because sometimes I like to, I don't know if you ever do this test, I like to look back on big conflicts in history and think, what side would I have been on?
And would that have been a good thing?
And unfortunately, I do look back at Vietnam.
I think, God, I probably would have been pro-Vietnam war, certainly in the beginning.
And then I like to think I would have turned, which a lot of the Americans, you know, that's what happened.
Essentially, that's how the war ended is that they, they turned the American middle class.
But I don't, you know, I think it's a good test to go through in terms of what would you, or at least what would your younger self have been through?
You think about it now.
Yeah.
I mean, from your perspective, you haven't got children of fighting age.
Yes.
If I'd been in this position now, I'd have been thinking, hang on a second.
So my sons are expected to go out and risk life and limb for this war, which is what?
Which was started by the US military.
Yeah.
Which is going to enrich the military industrial complex, which is going to leave them, leave my sons traumatized for life.
To what end?
Oh, because the thing you've invented called the domino theory, where somehow these commies are going to come.
How are the commies going to get from Vietnam to America in this particular instance?
I mean, one of the very few things Harold Wilson did Yeah, if you kept Britain out of that war.
The Australians were, the Kiwis were sucked into it.
Yeah.
No, I mean, it wasn't even that they started the war, it's they really inherited the colonial conflict from the French, because the French had been in there, you know, for at least a century beforehand.
So look, I mean, it's definitely worth, it's on prime.
I mean, I definitely rate the Ken Burns documentary.
It's very long, very, very long, but you need time to really.
And also what's good about it is he does have plenty of Vietnamese military and civilians in there giving their side.
It's subtitled, but they're certainly not all American, you know, one after the other.
I mean, look, he's one of the best documentary makers for a reason.
Oh yeah, because what I find ironic is that obviously the Republican, well it was started by Kennedy, but the Republicans pushed it even though, you know, it's true what they say in that one of the worst things you can hear is, I'm from the government, you know, I'm here to help.
That's bad enough when it's your own government, but when the government goes in, your government goes into somebody else's country and says, I'm from the US government and I'm here to nation build.
You know you're really in trouble then.
I've got loads of napalm in my truck and I'm going to help you nation-build by dropping loads of napalm on your village.
It's all eyes.
Oh, America has started.
I mean, we have to distinguish, I think, between America.
I like Americans.
I like the American people.
They're decent.
They're generous.
Patriotic.
They're wonderful.
I mean, on the whole, obviously not every single one of them, but we need to distinguish between them and the incredibly corrupt system that has taken over the Republic.
You know, the last one on it, Born on the Fourth of July is on Channel 4.
You can watch it.
I think it's a good movie.
It again, you know, just exposes how easily you can be sucked into this propaganda.
And, you know, Tom Cruise character, he says it's the same.
You know, I love America, but I've got big issues with the American government.
I mean, that's always the divide.
It's what you let the government away with.
Yeah.
Although I'm not sure that Tom, the role that he plays in that film should be confused with Tom Cruise in real life, because he plays Ron Colvax.
It was an American vet.
I read the book as well.
So I'd like to have.
He does a very good job.
I'd love Oliver Stone on the podcast.
That would be good.
Oh, he's way down the rabbit hole.
I think he did Joe Rogan.
I didn't listen to all of it because they were.
Yeah.
Joe Rogan, Gatekeeper.
Oh my God.
He is.
He's such a kindred.
Anyway, they do a very long podcast that I didn't listen to because they were really, they were out there.
But I would imagine you would, you would, you would definitely like it for sure.
Sure.
I'd love to get Oliver Stone and Mad Max.
Well, he, I think we did this before.
I mean, he volunteered for Vietnam.
He actually volunteered.
He could have avoided it completely.
So I hope you had a fabulous International Women's Day.
Did you celebrate big?
Of course I did.
this he's like yeah but um onto something a little bit uh lighthearted before we go with so i hope you had a fabulous international woman's day did you celebrate big i of course i did it's really important because all the stuff women do well i mean it's interesting in that now the the fight isn't over you know what what we should do for women
how big everything seems to involve entitlements, you know, widening the entitlement schemes.
Of course, the big obvious thing is they don't even know what a woman is.
They're very busy telling you that, as I said.
You know, men can be women, etc., which I think is a very, very big issue.
Probably you may not think of it as big, but I really do think it's out there.
I told you at the beginning I'm really upset that you're in your position telling me I can't be a lady who lunches.
It's just, but the thing is, again, all the corporate media buy into this.
Like, I got an email from the company that I bought shutters from about International Women's Day, and I'm like, You're a shutter company.
You sell shutters.
Why are you even talking about International Women's Day to me?
Are you telling me that, you know, those shutters won't clean themselves, woman?
It's just, do you know what I mean?
Shutters?
Shutters, yeah, like on your window.
Window, like curtains?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I get an email from the company that sells Shutters saying... The wooden ones?
Yes.
Well, surely it's men who should fit those, not women.
But the point is, like, why?
This is what I know.
You know, all the corporate media now, every event, LGBT month, International Women's Day, Black History Day, all the capitalist media just see this now as a way to, you know, again, further their advertisements.
And you're like, What has this got to do with anything?
It's so blatant.
Nobody actually believes this shit.
This is just observable.
I'll show you.
So I'll give you an example.
A friend of ours was, you know, a friend of ours, child, like 20 something, was applying for a job in whatever x, y, y industry.
And they put on their CV, what I particularly love is your diversity policy.
And I said, you don't believe this shit do you?
And they said, no, no, no, it's what you say to it.
But you see now, you see now, see James, isn't this again part of the humiliation?
Isn't this somebody putting their sign in the window, Workers of the World Unite?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's not right though.
No, of course it's not right.
Not everyone is as principled as we are.
No, I know, but I think it's like, my son came back from school, okay?
And he, you know, he doesn't go to, it's a, anyway.
And he said, yeah, we celebrated International Women's Day and we all had to read out like an international, I think you, I think you're, you, you, when your grandkids go to school, I think you will realize how deep it goes now, how it's really saturating the schools.
And any identity, any identity issue, which I always have said, I think is more divisive than it divides more than it unites.
And there's a number of things.
It divides more than it unites.
And it means it's an attack on the meritocracy.
But we'll we'll pause that for a moment.
And that's why I think it matters is that I'm like, oh, right, right.
And who did you who did you read?
Do you know who he had to read out?
And who was fabulous?
And we should all look up to Camilla Harris, the first vice president of the United States.
She is, like, the pitch.
She's in my room.
She's quite low grade.
I had to literally, again, I just, I had to sit down.
But this, you could say it's a small issue, but it's... How old is he?
Ten.
And he has to... And this is at a Catholic school, which would be a good school, supposedly one of the schools that's free of this nonsense.
None of them are free.
None.
None.
This is what I'm telling you.
You wait until... How many grandkids do you have?
I've got one, but she's not in England, so... Ah, OK.
Fair enough.
Well, you see, I just think your generation away, I'm not being, you know... Your kids will have just about missed it.
But if you've got younger kids now in primary school or secondary school, it is just all the time.
You're right, it's going to be homeschool all the way.
No, people won't do that.
And even if you, again, this is the thing, even if you shield your children from it, it's the whole culture.
It's the whole thing.
And again, the reason I objected, I don't mind celebrating achievements.
I try to be a positive person.
But it's very divisive.
Even my son was like, oh, and all the girls got to take a photograph of themselves.
And what about me?
What about me?
And I'm like, well, you're going to have to learn the hard way, man.
That blonde haired, blue eyed boys are, you're so far down.
You are so far down the pecking order.
You have no idea.
But I won't even have to say that to him.
He'll figure that out himself, you know?
Again, it's just this overall attack on the meritocracy.
When was the last time you heard someone say, well done for, you know, you've achieved your grade A cello exam?
Never.
No one's ever said that to me.
Not ever.
But if you, they don't get awards for doing stuff anymore.
You just get awards for being stunning and brave, for being, you know, I'm going to be, call me MX today.
Oh, wow.
Well, that's really, really brave.
You get your own bathroom.
I think you've really worked hard for that.
This is why.
There are a few areas that have almost escaped it.
Not quite, but almost.
One of them is classical music.
Not in America.
No, no, no.
You got to go.
You got to read Heather MacDonald and City Journal.
No, no.
All the music schools in the United States, they are they're butchering the curriculum.
You know, you can't have your Beethoven or your Mozart anymore.
Oh, OK.
But what about the actual I mean, surely the Associated Board?
Music exams, grade eight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, yeah.
OK, that's that's that's all I meant.
No, no.
Yeah, but if you if you like, they're not recruiting.
They're not recruiting the orchestras necessary on the basis of merit from my viewing of it or or or or even the conductors.
It's all, you know, a race to be the first.
I am the first, you know.
Well, you can fill in the gap.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah.
The other example I was going to give was riding.
Okay, riding club.
Ultimately, it's why I think pony club is so important, especially little girls because they love that kind of thing.
But there is no way that you can, if you're jumping on a pony over a post and rails, you either do it well or you do it badly.
There's no kind of There's no diversity agenda that can make you better or worse at it.
There's no... Yeah, well, you wait.
I'm telling you, you wait.
You know they're decolonising... We're going to have a special lowering thing so that if it spots you're from an appropriate ethnic group, the thing will lower and then it'll go up again if you're blonde and blue-eyed.
Exactly.
Or if you're transgender, it will just be a...
Or if your horse identifies as being, you know, if your mare identifies as being a stallion, you know, then you get the number one rosette.
It's just, you're decolonising the maths curriculum.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, anyway, it's scary.
Two plus, you can't say two plus two equals four.
That's, I don't know, it's racist or something.
I just, I don't know.
It's hard to keep up.
So before we go, Laura, What's your take as a Catholic on where all this is going?
I mean, given that you've effectively pointed out that our children are so brainwashed that the world is just going to get worse and worse and worse.
We've got all these forces trying to close us down, turn us into slaves.
Do you not think we're approaching I mean, I'm not convinced on that.
I mean, I think.
Yeah, I mean, I think there are some big, big battles.
I mean, the idea that this sort of remaking of the culture in a way is an Armageddon, this idea that there aren't male and female or that you can switch male and female in its way is the ending.
You don't need a big, you know, fiery sky for it to be the end if they're really going to attack Things like male and female, things like the meritocracy, things like free speech.
This is what Western civilization, modern Western civilization was built on.
If they are going to say this is no longer the way or they're going to try and bring that fight to you and people are going to just roll over, you know, then then that is the end.
That is the end of the civilization we once knew.
I mean, I even look back on some old TV programs.
I think, again, I've been doing some pieces on nostalgia, by the way, in the website, which has been very popular.
OK.
And, you know, if you think about it, a lot of things have come to an end that you, again, would have taken for granted even 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, but will be kind of unheard of now.
Like?
Very culturally conservative.
So I did a whole thing on Oh, I remember listening back, like, because, you know, the website more or less kind of started from this.
So young children being at home with their mums up until about school or even up until about three or four.
Like in the Peter and Jane books.
Yeah, like nobody, name one family.
It's a very good one.
I remember listening to a radio show in Ireland and this mum had just dropped off her last child to school.
The first day of school used to be a really big deal because this was the first time your child would be away from you for a long period of time.
I had it all stuck in my head for like 20 years.
And even the presenter, who's now passed away, was very good.
And she was like, I'm really, you know, I'm going to have to sit down now.
And he held my hand and he said, you know, don't don't worry, mom, but I have to go, you know, because I'm a big boy now.
Yeah.
And he was like, just don't worry.
I think because it was her last child and she probably, you know, given Ireland might have been her fourth or fifth and maybe just her third.
Who knows?
But yeah.
And she's like, I'll just have a whiskey, you know.
And she was sad to let that, you open up the papers now, every, you probably don't read it because it's not something that catches your attention.
Every single piece in across, well not everything, a lot of the pieces for the last month, two months coming up to the budget have been on childcare, right?
You cannot pay, it's let's get those kids.
into childcare as early as possible.
This is a big, big cultural change.
You know, that idea of seeing mothers around with their young children.
And together, and this hollowing out of sort of, I say, the private sphere as a whole, to me is a huge change, you know.
And again, especially when it comes from the left wing, when they're shilling for big companies, you know, you can't get the mothers in there soon enough.
Get them into Goldman Sachs.
Guardians, since when the hell did you care about, you know, Goldman Sachs' ability to recruit?
I didn't know that that was high up on the agenda, you know.
As I said, it comes under the headline of an overall attack on the private sphere.
And again, even as they grow up, those kids, they cannot be in school for long enough, you know, between the breakfast club and the after school club.
And I always say, do you ever read The Tiger Who Came to Tea?
Yeah.
Right, where you probably did it with your kids, you might do it with the grandkid.
What would that book be like now?
It would be the tiger knocked on the door, with no answer, the end.
It would be a shit book.
Because the mom, the reason he goes into the house is because the mom is at home with the little girl, okay?
And then daddy comes home and takes them out, you know, takes them out for dinner because the tiger has eaten everything and taken everything.
Bloody tigers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She fled the Nazis to write that book.
Yeah, I know that, I know that.
And here we are now, and you're right, the tiger knocks on the door, nobody at home, so he buggers off and goes and eats somebody.
People would be like, why is she at home?
I mean, the other thing that gets me, James, I don't, because I do think it's hard for young families, so I don't, it's not an individual criticism of families, it's more the cultural change and the pressures that have been brought on them to do this.
You know, the kids, they barely get their summer holidays either.
It's all like, what club can they go into?
What can they do?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
So the kids aren't out playing with their mates on the streets.
No.
They're not.
It's, you know, they are away from their families, I think, a lot.
Don't get me wrong.
My kids annoy me.
But, you know, it's from nursery and then they go to school and it's like from eight to five because I need wraparound care and they can't have their summer holidays and all this.
It's just constant, constant.
You've reminded me, Laura, how much I enjoy doing podcasts with you, but it's my lunchtime now.
Yeah.
We've gone over the hour.
We've gone over the hour.
So that was really good.
So tell people where they can find Laura.
Oh yeah, Conservative Woman Well, TCW, Defending Freedom and the Catholic Herald.
I do a lot of the cultural stuff on Catholic Herald.
But I'm also looking forward to your, now this podcast with Mark Stein.
It's going to be great.
It's going to be popcorn.
And of course you can find me and you can support me.
Yes.
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And I really appreciate it.
And thanks again, Laura.
Let's do one soon.
Yep.
Take it easy, James.
OK.
Bye.
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