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Jan. 23, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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And now, Ed Dowd.
I'm...
Sorry, I've got a bit of peanut in my mouth.
I'm so excited.
I mean, I really am.
I've been trying to get you for bloody ages, and I've been listening to lots of your podcasts, especially the ones you did with German Warfare.
I'm dying to read your book, which I haven't read yet, but it's gonna be a humdinger.
Cause Unknown.
So, for those of you who don't know who you are, I mean, you're the Black Rock guy, I think of you as, but tell us just very briefly about yourself.
So, I'm a Wall Street professional, started my career at HSBC, Hong Kong Shanghai Bank, familiar to many in Europe.
I was a fixed income institutional salesperson in Chicago, and I learned about credit markets, interest rate markets, money markets, derivatives, economics, just how the guts of the monetary system works.
So my first bit of fraud on Wall Street, there was the Orange County scandal here in the U.S.
There was Peter Peabody blew up when a trader hid some bond trades in his drawer.
And I just kind of figured out that Wall Street was an interesting place to be.
It was a place where you made money by asymmetric information.
What do I mean by that?
Let me turn this down.
What I mean by that is that basically there are people who have information and those who don't.
And you take advantage of people that don't have as good information as yourself.
And that's how the world works in investments.
People get news before everybody else or information and they capitalize on it.
So I went back to business school, Indiana University.
I got my MBA, then went on to Wall Street at an investment bank called Donaldson, Lufkin, and Jenrett, where I did equity research, electric utilities in 1997 through 99.
Electric utilities are boring, so I was in the boring part of the equity research shop down the hall with the internet folks, and that's where some fraud was going on down there.
There was something that used to be done in investment banks before they would issue new public offerings.
It was called due diligence.
That was suspended because money was being made issuing companies with no revenues and no cash flows, and the metrics at the time was eyeballs.
The markets seemed to gobble up these securities, so that's why there was demand.
So, there was demand.
Wall Street met that demand and sold companies that were basically worthless.
Ninety percent of all the dot-com firms eventually disappeared.
At the end of that bubble.
And then I went on to BlackRock because I went on to another, I became a tech analyst before the dot-com bubble burst at a firm called Independence Investments.
I correctly called the end of that bubble because I'm just a student of history and I'm just someone that is very skeptical and I have an eye and a nose for fraud and nonsense.
So I knew that would end badly.
And because of that insight, I was able to parlay that call into a job at BlackRock, where I became a portfolio manager of a large cap growth fund.
We started off with $2 billion under management, and we grew it to $14 billion through both returns and asset gathering, meaning we pitched our track record and our process to pension funds and insurance companies and what have you.
And we grew the business.
And we saw the financial crisis coming.
It was bank fraud.
But I have another note.
And again, the refrain I heard in the dot-com bubble was, Ed, it's a new paradigm.
them.
Then I heard in the housing crisis, home prices never go down, Ed.
And all I had to do was Google historically and you go back and home prices do go down historically.
So that was nonsense.
And I was able to correlate that into more success of BlackRock.
I left BlackRock in 2012 and moved to Hawaii with my now ex-wife.
She wanted to start a business and I wanted to be more entrepreneurial.
And again, when this vaccine came about, I was super skeptical, and I was just mystified at how readily everybody wanted to line up to take this thing.
And in hindsight, we find that we were under the assault of a military-grade PSYOP with the intelligence agencies involved.
That's a fact.
You can find that in Reuters and AP now.
You know, MI6 was involved, the CIA, all the intelligence agencies and the military.
Our D.O.D.
was involved.
In fact, the Pfizer and Moderna contracts were done under D.O.D.
contracts.
So this is not conspiracy theory at this point.
These are facts.
And I started noticing adverse events early on in the vaccine process.
I wasn't going to take it personally because I knew three things.
It was experimental, never been tested on humans.
It was rushed under Operation Warp Speed, which is, you know, in my mind sounds like That's a formula for disaster.
And then third, I knew that it took seven to ten years for a normal vaccine to be tested.
So personally, I was like, I'm not taking this away for other people to take it.
And I thought I naively thought that many people would think like me and not take it.
But then I saw the fraud going on with the way this thing was presented to us here.
I live on the island of Maui in Hawaii, in the middle of Pacific Ocean.
In February of 2021, advertisements on the radio were saying, get your vaccine.
It's been approved by the FDA.
That was that was not true.
It was authorized under an emergency use authorization.
So there were lies and lies and lies and psyops and incentives.
And I became horrified when the mandates started here on Maui.
And that's when I lost.
That's when I said I'm not living in this world.
I was already speaking out.
I was one of the first people to call fraud in the clinical trials.
In 2021, I met Dr. Malone, who has been a, you know, kind of a whistleblower on this whole thing.
And he elevated my voice.
And I told him that I was going to monitor databases, including government databases, but also insurance companies and funeral homes, and excess mortality and all cause mortality.
And then eventually we found the disability database in the US, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Literally, right now, as I read the book, I started writing the book in September, and it was a team effort.
Gavin DeBecker, who wrote my afterword, helped a lot with the sudden athletic death stories.
And through the, you know, showing the human side of this, the actual young people that are dying, I've definitively proved that there's a mixture from old to young in 2021-22 from 2020.
So COVID It is a real virus.
It did kill old people.
But then, mysteriously, young people started dying in 21 and 22, and they shouldn't be dying.
And this continues on.
I've also discovered, in the book I talk about, something's happened to the employed population of the U.S.
Their health outcomes are worse than the general population, which has never happened before.
And so I blame the vaccine.
And I say, look, if you don't believe me, then let's ask this question.
Why are the global health authorities and regulators Not talking about this issue.
And so I say at this point, it's a cover up and negligence in one of the biggest crimes against humanity I've ever seen.
And here we are.
It's 2023.
And it feels like the dam is starting to break a little bit.
There's news coming out.
And that's good.
But, you know, we still have a lot of work to do.
There's a grind.
I call this a grind.
I don't think the global governments or health authorities are ever going to admit to anything.
So the book was designed to convince, you know, your loved ones to think we're crazy, to at least stop getting boosters, to stop taking it, and to save lives, basically.
And this is, it's just a, it's a book that's done from a Wall Street perspective.
I'm not a doctor.
In fact, that's a good thing, because most doctors need to wait for all the evidence before they act.
In my world, If you don't act, by the time you get all the evidence, you've missed the opportunity to make money.
I view this as the biggest trade decision of your life.
You can either be long the vaccine or short the vaccine.
Now, if you already got some vaccinations, you can still be short the vaccine by stopping the boosters.
If you continue to get them, you're buying a stock that's going down as fraud is exposed, and you're not going to lose money.
You're going to potentially disable yourself or die.
What we do know is this, at a base minimum, the COVID vaccines were promoted as preventing transmission and also preventing you from getting COVID.
Both those are proven lies at this point.
Their new narrative is This vaccine will prevent you from going to the hospital.
There's no proof for that.
That's just a statement and a comment.
There's no peer-reviewed study.
So why would you take something that doesn't work?
And also knowing that potentially there's horrendous side effects and death involved, which I'm convinced of.
And no one really has come to criticize our findings.
They just are trying to ignore my book and me.
That was the best, best of Ed Dowd summary, pracy, I've ever heard.
Well done.
Thank you.
One of the things I like about you, Ed, I mean, we've all got different parts to play in this war against this shadowy Enemy, which is increasingly making itself known to us as more and more people wake up.
But we've all got different parts to play.
And what I like about what you're doing is that you're bringing a kind of heft and sort of Well, I hate to use the word credibility next to Wall Street, but you know what I mean.
You've actually proven yourself.
You've made money for your clients.
You can sell a proposition.
You can do analysis.
I particularly love This is one of the most important human interest stories, which the mainstream media should, if it had any integrity all over, is the story about the sporting stars dropping like flies.
Now, I looked into this in the early days.
I mean, not with the detail you did.
And I tried to write about this stuff and I got knocked back by my editor who said, you know, how do we know about this is abnormal?
What about previous years?
But so give me chapter and verse on what's going on there.
So yeah, exactly.
So like you, I'm sure you noticed the soccer players.
Dropping dead in 21.
And I noticed that as well.
And that's what kind of got me interested.
Not only was I hearing in my own circles of strange side effects and, you know, the uncle who died mysteriously.
By the way, in 2020, I didn't know anybody who died during COVID.
In fact, on Maui, we were hard put to find people that actually had COVID in 2020.
Mysteriously came back with a sudden vengeance in 21 and 22.
But The sudden deaths on the athletic fields, especially in the UK and in Europe, you know, I was alarmed.
And the pushback I got, like you did early on, was, well, why aren't the NBA stars and the NFL stars dropping?
Well, I've come to find out that soccer is the most cardio-intensive sport, bar none.
You run the whole time on the field.
There's no downtime.
And so that's why it appeared in soccer first.
And now we had the incident in the U.S.
with the NFL player on Monday Night Football.
And here are the facts.
There was a study done, and it's the most comprehensive study we have, and they didn't get every data point, but, you know, this is, this is, they, they, they took a stab at it.
It's the most cited study with over a thousand citations.
It was done in 2006.
So well before any of this occurred, called the Lausanne study.
And over a 38-year period, they documented 1,101 sudden athletic deaths under the age of 35 on the field or on the way to the hospital.
So really, basically, on or near the field.
1,101 over 38 years averages 29 a year.
So the pushback you got and I got was, yes, this happens.
It does happen.
But that's 29 globally.
But it's very rare.
And if we go back into our collective memories, and you know, I'm 56, I'll be 56 in April, I don't remember this going on.
This wasn't going on at the frequency we see now.
So what do we see now?
We'd be lucky to have a month with 29 sudden athletic deaths since 2021.
There are months with 90, 105, 80.
There are months with 90, 105, 80.
And in my book alone, there's hundreds and hundreds of these stories that have been documented and well-vetted stories.
So just based on my book, it's a tenfold increase on someone recently came up with the number of about 1100 since 2021.
And they documented it as well.
I haven't verified that number, but let's assume that number is correct.
That's even more than the tenfold increase.
So this is occurring.
And again, on Wall Street, you know, this is why I bring a different perspective.
We pay attention to frequency and velocity and rate of change.
This is what we call a rate of change.
This is more than a three standard deviation event, which happens .03% of the time.
I would say it's a 23 to 25 standard deviation event.
So something's happening.
So what has changed in the world?
Vaccination and mandates.
And most of these unfortunate athletes had to take them because their soccer clubs Or the NFL or the NBA mandated it.
So that's what's changed.
So if someone can tell me what is different from that and introduce a different theory, I'm all ears.
But no one has done that.
In fact, the mainstream media has minimized these sudden athletic deaths and all the sudden deaths of all the young people around the globe.
In fact, I put forward this proposition.
The sudden deaths were occurring in the unvaccinated.
Would not we be hearing this 24-7 on the news cycles?
But it's not.
That's why there's crickets.
So that's why I use logic, deductive reasoning.
This is one of the greatest cover-ups we've ever seen in our lives.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I've noticed that the it's certainly in my country, the media is kind of pushing the line sort of, it's a sort of semi acceptable line that they can, they're blaming lockdowns, they're saying, this is a, you know, people who didn't get to see their doctors, etc, etc.
Let's talk about that for a second.
I go to what happened in the third quarter of 2021.
And forget, forget, there's databases all over the place.
But I like to use the Society of Actuaries, who specifically did a survey on group life policies.
These are the people that work at Fortune 500 and midsize companies in the US.
In 2021, into the third quarter, August, September, October timeframe, there was a, the excess mortality was running at 30%, which was bad enough as it is for young people ages 25 to 44.
It spiked up to 84% excess mortality in a three-month period.
That's a rapid rate of change.
It indicated an event occurred.
Gee, I wonder what happened in the third quarter of 2021.
Oh, I remember.
It was corporate mandates and then an executive order by Joe Biden.
That every company over a hundred employees had to mandate the vaccine.
So people, the young people, who already knew intuitively they didn't need to get a vaccine because most young people didn't die in 2020, it was mostly old, had to do it.
They had to make a choice.
The choice was keep the job or quit.
And many people obviously wanted to keep their job.
And that's why we saw that spike up in deaths.
The pushback I get is what you said.
Oh, it's due to the lockdowns.
It's due to suicides, it's due to drug overdoses, it's due to missed cancer screening visits.
Let's go through each one of those.
Suicides.
So, are you going to tell me that in Fortune 500 and mid-sized companies there was a suicide pack where everyone decided to kill themselves in a three-month time frame?
That makes no sense.
Number two, drug overdoses.
So was there a, uh, was there a rash of drug overdoses in fortune 500 companies and midsize companies?
Uh, that makes no sense.
Why?
Because to get the group life policy, again, these are claims paid.
Okay.
This is money that had to be paid out.
You have to, to get this policy, you have to be employed at the time.
You can't have been fired or quit.
You have to be literally going to work and then you drop dead to get paid.
So, what do I know about fentanyl and heroin users?
They don't keep their job very long.
And you don't tend to find addicts in Fortune 500 companies and mid-sized companies because they're employed and life is going generally swimmingly well.
Okay?
So, that makes no sense.
Let's go to cancer screening.
I'm 56.
I've never had one.
cancer screening.
I'm 56.
I've never had one.
That's just, okay, that's an anecdote.
I talked to many, many people.
You go to get a cancer screening when you're already sick.
You're feeling like crap, you go to the doctor, you go in, they run tests.
You don't go do these tests every quarter, every six months.
I don't understand what even that means.
It's nonsense.
People don't go in for cancer screenings on a regular basis, especially ages 25 through 44.
So until someone can come up with a better excuse, maybe they want to tell me that the virus only attacked, maybe they'll try to tell me that Delta, remember there was the original variant which was the worst and Delta was less bad but still bad, maybe Delta only affected the young employed of Fortune 500 companies, but that would be a curious virus and I would You'd be hard-pressed to find a virologist or epidemiologist that would back that.
So, again, the doctor of reasoning suggests that these people have to—the burden of proof is on the vaccine makers and the health authorities, not me.
Something happened.
Until it's explained, it's the vaccine until someone can come up with a better reason.
Well, it's been obvious to some of us from the start.
I mean, and the way you presented out, it's like, duh, what other explanation could it be?
So, I mean, I suppose I should be able to answer this because I'm from the media, but how have the bastards gone away with it for so long?
How?
I mean, and why?
Why is nobody speaking out?
Well, what we've come to find out are a couple of things.
Pharma, physical companies are a big part of the advertising budget.
for many, many media companies, especially in the US.
20 years ago or 25 years ago, they allowed drug companies to advertise on TV.
So TV and print media in the US are captured by pharma.
So they have no incentive to report anything that goes against Pfizer and Moderna's narrative.
That's number one.
Then we found out through FOIA requests in the U.S.
that over a billion dollars was given to media companies to promote the vaccine.
So the media has zero incentive to report any of this.
And so we have that.
Then we have the regulatory agencies that are captured.
So, they have been covering this up, and you have basically people that don't know.
So, for you and me, it's a duh, this is going on, but for the general population, they have no idea.
And when people like me try to get this information out, I'm either ignored or fact-checked.
And, you know, this is literally going to be one of the greatest crimes we've ever seen.
There's also something called ego.
And I saw this in my world in finance.
A lot of people that took this vaccine, not everyone, a lot of people, I call them the great middle, they begrudgingly took it.
So those are the people I'm going after.
Then there's a large part of the populations in Europe and the US that identified with a group and they were virtue signaling that became part of who they were and their ego was involved in taking this and then chastising others.
So, when you make an egoic-based decision, an emotional decision, it doesn't matter what amount of facts you rationalize, that someone will rationalize your rational facts.
They will dismiss you because of the ego.
I saw this in an investing.
There would be clear evidence that a company might be fraudulent, but I saw very smart people who would ride them all the way down because they couldn't let their ego admit they were wrong.
So, there's a whole host of things going on.
Media cover-up.
regulator cover-up, and then people identifying so strongly with this vaccine, which is, to me, why you would ever base your life, part of your identity on this is beyond me, but people have done it.
And that's why we are where we are today.
So what about you guys in the financial sector?
Because, I mean, people like me have always been persuaded that you are the smartest guys in the room, that you have this edge which enables you to justify your enormous salaries and bonuses and things.
I mean, it seems that a lot of your industry has been taken in by this scam.
Well, let me tell you a little secret about Wall Street.
Wall Street is mostly like the rest of us.
My whole career, I was with very bright people who needed social proof before they would act.
A lot of the people on Wall Street don't actually produce excess returns over time.
They have fancy degrees, they're good at talking, but they don't understand how investing works.
True investing is putting yourself out on a limb and being ahead of the herd, and sometimes that's hard to do, and you get laughed at initially.
I've been laughed at Number of times in my career only to be proven right.
And that's what most people on Wall Street don't do.
Most people on Wall Street take the easy road and they try to mimic the indexes and get a nice career.
It's called benchmark hugging.
So they really don't take risks.
They go around in their nice little suits and ties and they have good vocabulary.
They're from the best colleges and universities and they snow people.
That's what most of Wall Street is.
Most people on Wall Street are exactly like everybody else.
They're always late to the party.
Most of the returns are made by the smart people.
That's why people eventually open up hedge funds, because they're the smartest of the smartest.
And that's how money's made.
You don't make money following the herd.
And remember, people on Wall Street are competing against each other.
So you're trying to beat the other Wall Street guy.
That's why most people were taken in by this.
Because they didn't see it.
They didn't have the discernment to see how ridiculous this was.
Well, bloody hell, it sounds like I could make a better living on Wall Street than most of these people, because I saw it with my own eyes.
Some of the best Wall Street investors I've seen have been former reporters and journalists, but investigatory journalists and reporters, not, you know, the cream of the crop, not just your typical journalist.
Some of the worst investors have been experts.
I had doctors that were analysts for healthcare stocks that were the worst because they needed all the evidence before they would, you know, take a leap of faith.
You know, I live in the world between perception and reality.
I try to see a trend that's emerging.
I don't have all the information, but my gut tells me and my discernment, my deductive reasoning Leads me to believe that I'm correct.
I make a bet.
And then as time unfolds, more and more evidence proves me right or wrong.
And, uh, you know, that's what a lot of investigative journalism is, is like you, you do the hard work, uh, and then you break a story and you're the first to break the story.
I mean, we used to have great investigative journalists and that, that profession, unfortunately in the mainstream media is dead.
Totally.
I mean, it's an embarrassment.
I can't even read newspapers now.
I can't consume TV news because it's all propaganda.
But presumably, the really high levels in Wall Street, the kind of people who are CEOs of Goldman Sachs or whatever, I mean, they must know.
They must have known it was all a scam, presumably.
Well, a lot of people think that, but you've got to remember, a lot of these people Got to the top of the food chain through politicking and backstabbing and may not be the best investors on the planet.
You know, let's think about Goldman Sachs for example.
Goldman Sachs was part of the fraud in the subprime crisis and they believed themselves that everything was fine.
They may have seen the fraud but They were making so much money, they deluded themselves.
But once they realized the party was over, they pulled a 180.
They were the first to do it.
Once they figured out that something was wrong, they actually started betting against some of their own bonds that they issued.
I suspect in the halls of Wall Street, they're starting to figure this out.
And I think they were duped.
Because they mandated their employees.
Some of their, you know, they mandated Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley led the charge on Wall Street.
But they're also leading the charge on dropping the mandates.
They quietly dropped their mandates this summer.
So they're on it, but they're not admitting it is my speculation.
And they're trying to figure out what to do.
Because, you know, look, the legal liability for employers is massive once this comes to light.
Ah, I was wondering that because the big pharma companies have.
I've got these very dodgy deals with governments, haven't they?
Whereby they're indemnified from all legal action.
Um...
Yeah, correct.
But if we can prove fraud, fraud vitiates all contracts.
So if we can prove fraud, their immunity will disappear.
But the employers who mandated this under the color of law, they're the ones who are probably going to take the first hit, then eventually the pharma companies.
But that's why the employers are keeping their mouths shut.
And that's why we haven't seen a CEO come out yet and say anything.
Do you think some canny bankers got fake passes, things like that?
I have no evidence of that.
I haven't heard those stories.
I do know that most of the people on Wall Street that I know, believe it or not, bought into this nonsense.
Some people stopped talking to me.
Right.
So this is, again, this is the most curious thing I've ever seen, because the people who should have known better, like Wall Street or some doctors, doctors should have known better, they were fooled.
Yeah.
This was, I think this is one of the greatest psychological psyops we've ever seen.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, so if you were an investor, which you are, how would you play the coming months and years?
I mean, what's going to be the knock-on effects of all these legal actions and stuff?
Well, timing is always a problem on these things.
We're starting a hedge fund that's going to be macro.
We're not going to bet on individual companies.
But I can name some things you might want to look at, but don't you run out and do these things because timing is, is always suspect.
So it's not investment advice, but clearly insurance companies, life insurance companies have a problem.
And the flip of that would be funeral homes have good business.
So funeral homes are seeing results that they shouldn't be seeing in a normal world.
There's there, they're not growth stocks.
Sadly, insurance companies have mispriced all their policies.
and it's only gonna get worse in my estimation.
But then there's a horrendous knock-on effects for global economies in general, because the work we've done at our firm, Finance Technologies, suggests that the disabilities and the deaths combined are going to cause labor shortages.
And because, you know, proven in the book that the most able-bodied amongst us are having the worst health outcomes.
So we're just basically potentially, I believe, poisoned And again, I want to give hope.
Not everybody that took it has got a ticking time bomb, but the numbers in aggregate are so big, it's going to affect global economies for years to come in terms of labor shortages, supply chain breaks, lower growth and wage inflation.
So you're going to have lower demand, but higher wage inflation, which is called stagflation, which is the worst of all outcomes for all of us.
So this is This is a economic disaster for years to come, because not only, you know, so I've proven in the U.S.
that basically the employed in the U.S.
have a problem.
I said this to Senator Ron Johnson in December.
We have a national security issue.
If it's going on in the U.S., it's going on in Europe, it's going on in the U.K., it's going on in Australia, it's going on in Canada.
So globally, the most able-bodied amongst us are more likely to have taken these things because they had to.
And so now we have a shortage, a shortage.
And what I hope is going to happen is it seems to me booster uptake has dropped next to zero.
My fear is that there are medium and long term effects from this vaccine.
And unfortunately, the disability data While the second derivative rate of change is slowed, it's still compounding and growing up to the right.
So, until I see excess mortality cross over the zero line and become normal, until I see disability start to decline, we are in a continuous dystopian world of excess mortality and increasing disabilities.
And I've said on many different podcasts, I'm sure you've heard me say, it's like a glacial Mad Max scenario where we just slowly see the world get harder and more difficult from the comforts that we've enjoyed the last 50 years.
Yeah.
To me, I'm okay with that because, you know, once you get a mindset that you don't need all this stuff, you'll be fine.
But a lot of people are going to freak out.
Yeah, yeah.
I've been thinking about the airline industry and thinking when it emerges that most pilots, or many pilots, have had this clot shot which risks them dying mid-air.
I mean, that's going to have... What are they going to do about that?
Well, let's talk about that.
That's very interesting.
So, there was a pilot who shall remain nameless in the UK who reached out to me months ago.
He said, if we can get The whole reason the FAA in the US exists, the Federal Aviation Administration, is safety.
And that's the whole raison d'etre for their existence.
If they miss this, their institution is kaput.
Okay?
So we figured if we could get them to admit there's a problem, the whole house of cards falls down.
Because if pilots shouldn't take it, why would anyone else take it, right?
What's going on with the FAA is interesting.
They've recently quietly widened the parameters of their EKGs because they know there's a problem.
And anecdotally, I can tell you I'm on LinkedIn, which is a social media company that You know, professionals view resumes and whatnot, and you're, you know, you're bona fides, right?
Ever since I wrote this book, and the book came out December 13th, Cause Unknown, I've had top investment banks and Wall Street firms look at me because I'm the guy, I'm the crazy guy saying something out there about this.
The FAA looked at me, 3.2% of my views were from the Federal Aviation Administration, so there seems to be a donning on some of these people, within the consciousness of some of these people, that maybe we have a problem.
And so I'm hopeful that there's somebody with some adult pants on that takes a stand.
And once we get an FAA to say something, it's over.
So I want them to be brave.
And if anybody from the FAA is listening, get some cojones and do the right thing.
But we know, and I know you had to restrain yourself from talking about the bigger picture when you were writing your book, that the vaccine thing, which aren't even vaccines, is just one tiny facet of a much bigger war on Ordinary folk, if you like, that has been conducted well, I mean, since at least 1913 with the foundation of the Federal Reserve.
I mean this your knowledge of the background to the skullduggery of what I call the predator class must have informed your decision not to take the vaccine.
I was suspicious of this from the get go.
2020 was when I saw in April 3rd of 2020, a Federal Reserve president, Remember, this is a month after lockdowns.
A Federal Reserve President, James Bullard of the St.
Louis Fed, goes on Face the Nation.
And he's asked a question by the woman interviewing him.
Forget her name.
It's irrelevant.
But she says, how are we going to reopen the economy with such fear and people worried about dying and getting sick?
And he smiled and he said, well, the good news is we have all sorts of new technology where we can surveil people and issue immunity badges and test them.
And, you know, that was when I heard immunity badges and testing, I immediately in my head said vaccine passport.
And that's when I knew that's when I started snipping a bigger plot of foot.
And then I, you know, look, since 2008, Nothing was solved.
What we did in 2008 after the financial collapse, all that fraud didn't disappear.
That fraud went on the balance sheets of the central banks of the globe.
And then politicians around the globe spent like drunken sailors to reignite what was a dead credit system.
So we solved the debt problem with more debt.
And what I know about debt And the Federal Reserve-based fiat currency system, the debt-based fiat currency system, it needs constant growth.
The beast needs to be fed.
So, when you stop growing credit, or go the other way, everything collapses.
It's a multi-generational Ponzi scheme that's been going on since 13, and it's now gotten to all the corners of the globe.
And it's going to end.
And they know that.
So, if it's going to end, would you want To be blamed for the end, would you, as a central banker or politician, do you want to take the blame or would you like to blame something else?
We thought in the financial world that they'd start a war, but then we realized, nope, they're going to, they're going to use COVID as an excuse, whether it was created or whatnot.
I have no proof, but let's just say they use it as an excuse.
It's perfect cover.
You, you know, remember what happened?
The federal reserve printed 65% more money than the previous year.
And other central banks did the same.
The politicians spent like drunken sailors.
And all they really did was kick, we were going to collapse in 2019, but they just kicked the can down the road another two years.
But when you introduce a COVID-based economy, and that's what they were trying to do, they tried to create a COVID economy where we'd have quarterly boosters, surveillances, vaccine passports, and, you know, they would take away the right to gather, protest, under the auspices of a virus.
So it's a great control system.
The good news is it's failed phenomenally.
People are awakening at an alarming speed.
And now here we are going into a very deep recession in the US this quarter and next.
The whole idea was in my, this is all opinion and speculation, but the idea is to introduce a central bank digital currency.
And once you do that, then the slave system is complete.
And, you know, there was a guy from the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of the central banks.
He said, quote, once we do this, we'll be able to control society much more effectively.
And what he meant by that was every decision you make can be controlled.
If you're a dissident, they can turn off your ability to transact.
If they decide that they don't want people to eat meat, You have a meat quota.
You go to the cash register with your meat and the poor woman who's ringing you up says, Oh, it says you can't buy meat and it won't transact.
So she can't, even though she might want to give you the meat, they won't be able to make any.
So this is, this is total slavery.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, where, where are you on CBDCs?
Do you reckon they're going to get away with it?
Uh, I think, I think it's going to be really hard.
I think, uh, the cat is out of the bag on that one.
They can try.
There's all we're going to look part of what I'm doing and starting my hedge fund is we're going to try to raise money and that on the world as we see it.
And some of the profits that we we make personally, we're going to reinvest into humanity, meaning like new alternative health care modalities, charities like Children's Health Defense.
And more importantly, we're going to do crypto projects where we're going to create not speculative, Cryptos, but cryptos that you can use to transact Hidden from the eyes of the government.
So we're trying to use the current economy system to leapfrog over to the next one and create our own there's going to be dissident of Alternative economies created so that they're gonna have a tough time doing what they want to do And we're meeting people all over the resistance are talking about this.
We're all finding each other We're trying to figure it out.
But the good news is They're going to have a tough time, in my humble opinion.
Well, I'm glad you said that.
I'm glad you've got faith in cryptos, because I mean, I'm seeing, correct me if I'm wrong, a sort of collapse in fiat currencies.
You've mentioned the dollar is failing upwards, but it's going to go, isn't it?
Eventually, eventually.
And, you know, we have to think about the world in a different way.
And that means a good mindset and no fear.
You know, if it gets really bad, we may have to barter.
And that's fine.
Yeah.
But personally, you need to do a number of different things.
You need to have some food supplies.
You need to have a network of people that have your back that are like-minded.
I told a bunch of rich people in June who, after they heard me speak, freaked out.
I said, look, if you're relying on your security personnel and your servant class Good luck, because once the digital currency comes in or the fiat currency goes poof, they're going to run for the hills.
You need friends.
You need human connections.
You need people that are going to have your back, but you're also going to have to help them.
So we're going from an age of materialism to an age of relationships and human connectivity.
90% of the globe doesn't know that, but you and I do.
And so it's exciting and scary at the same time, but it's out of our control.
And we're going to do what we can.
Most of what happens to us is out of our control.
All we can control is how we react to it.
And that's what I'm trying to do.
Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with you that I was going to ask you what good news there is, but in a way that's part of it, isn't it?
That since, in the last three years, I've met the best people I've met in my life, people who totally get it.
And we have built these communities, which is amazing.
I mean, we've been raped and pillaged and exploited by these people for how long?
Since the Babylonian era, probably.
Yeah, and you know, to your point, When I was, you know, had one foot in the matrix and one foot out, meaning I knew something was wrong, but I still, you know, we still have to live in the quote unquote matrix world.
I had friends, but when I started speaking out on this issue, I lost a lot of friends.
But at the same time, I made a whole host of new friends, like you just said, and our value system is so aligned that I'm more comfortable Partnering up with somebody that thinks like I do than I did anybody in the Matrix.
Because in the Matrix, it took a long time to figure out someone's values.
If your values are, I want bodily sovereignty and freedom and I believe in humanity, you're a good person, generally speaking.
If you're in the Matrix and you're spouting nonsense to me, it's really easy to discern now.
I feel like the wheat and the chaff are separating and I know where to go now.
Before, I felt more alone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've got to ask you, because of your, particularly your Blackrock past, I mean, I think of Blackrock, like a lot of people I think now, a lot of informed people, as the kind of one of the embodiments of evil.
I mean, even the name, that sounds satanic.
But Blackrock is not doing well at the moment, is it?
Well, so, when I was at Blackrock, There were good people there and they had, you know, our investors liked us, we had good returns, but I left as they were going on their acquisition spree.
So, it was a firm that grew through acquisitions, and as they grew, the firm's culture changed.
So, it was a firm where people knew, you know, I knew Larry Fink and Rob Capito.
They probably don't remember me, but back in the day, You know, it was a smaller firm and there was this camaraderie.
Then as it shifted and became bigger, I went from Ed Dowd to employee number 52134.
And that's when it was over.
And I left.
Because it became, like a lot of investment firms, growth is always the end of the firm.
Because once you get too big, you get a layer of middle management involved that Doesn't actually do what I did, which is investing for other people.
They just kind of mucked things up and then they would manage up and be, you know, and manage down.
And the whole thing just became this, uh, behemoth.
And I can tell you, like, so people ask me, is Larry Fink evil?
I don't know.
What I do know is this, the firm that I was a part of is no longer there in that everybody that I used to be associated with and work with is no longer there.
That was about 12 years ago, or actually coming on 11 years ago.
So everybody that I knew is gone.
So whatever's gone on there is a whole new set of people.
And it took 11 years for that to happen.
What do you think about the theory that was floated to me by Tom Luongo the other day, which is that there was a kind of, call them the cabal, if you like, that there was a power struggle, like rival mafia gangs.
And you've got the Federal Reserve side, which is, you know, Jerome Powell, having had experience of investment, is not just a routine liberal like some of his predecessors.
The Fed, which is going to be able to set rates again now that Libor moves over from, or part of Libor moves over from the City of London.
And these guys don't like the idea that American hegemony is just going to be given away for the World Economic Forum's plans for a more sustainable world where we all live, you know, we own nothing, we eat bugs and we save the planet by building more wind farms and stuff.
There is a power struggle going on.
Are you alive to this possibility?
Look, there's always power cohorts in the world.
Some we can see, some are hidden.
What I do know is, back, someone did a good analysis of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission people and the Davos crowd.
And in the 70s and 80s, there were lots of prominent bankers that used to be going to these meetings.
It started flipping about 15, 20 years ago.
Now the central bankers are showing up.
So there used to be power in the banking world.
I think the power shifted to the central banks because once the emergency presented itself, It's like anything.
Once you get power, you never let it go.
And the central banks, you've got to remember what the central banks did in 2008 was unprecedented.
We've never seen anything.
The whole system has basically been propped up by countries printing their own money and buying their own bonds.
That didn't happen prior to the Great Financial Crisis.
So, there was more of a capitalistic tone to the markets.
That all shifted after 2008.
And it's been more managed Corp corp corptocracy, I should say.
And so there's been, you know, over the last 10 years, 12 years since the Great Financial Crisis, there's been a fusion of the state and corporate America.
And a lot of people think Wall Street took over the government in 2008.
No, the government took over Wall Street.
And what I mean by that is there was the fraud was so bad that all those bankers should have gone to jail.
But what happened to those bankers?
Not one went to jail.
What did they end up doing?
They ended up paying tremendous, tremendous fines to the federal government under a Consumer Protection Relief Fund.
Where did that money go?
Well, that money never made it into the consumers' hands.
It made it into NGOs and left-wing groups.
So that's what happened.
Basically, a gun was held to their head.
They paid off their masters and now, you know, that's where we are.
It's a fusion of state and government.
Our governments and corporations.
Okay, so you had to restrain yourself when you were writing your book about, you know, you had to limit yourself to evidence of vaccine injuries and so on.
But do you have a grand universal theory of everything?
Of what's going on?
And do you want to give it to me?
Well, I think at the heart of all this is central bankers.
Um, but you know, the people who run the central banks, I think, are puppets.
Who, you know, who controls the central banks?
The Federal Reserve is not, it's not a government agency.
It's, it's the, who are the shareholders?
Um, and then intelligence agencies, you know, we, I, I think central bankers, people behind the central bankers and intelligence agencies run the world shadow.
That's my personal belief.
It's, um, you know, if you look at, All the media has become propagandized, and I think intelligence agencies, their imprints are all over the media.
And that's why, as a reporter, you read the newspaper, you're like, this is gobbledygook nonsense.
And it always used to be that way, but the consolidation of the media companies has made it easier.
We also have evidence now that's dropping from the Twitter files that Elon is dumping, Direct evidence of the government censoring American citizens on social media platforms.
Because, let's go back.
I think media control was pretty much solidified before 2016, before Trump got elected.
Trump got elected, and that was not supposed to happen.
And whatever you think of Trump, Pro con.
He wasn't part of the club because he wasn't going to play ball.
So they had the system had to get rid of him.
And the system recognized early on that social media was something they didn't have total control over because that's how Trump got elected.
Trump got elected through social media.
Because the mainstream media was telling you Hillary is going to win.
But anybody on social media, and most people get a lot of their news from social media, knew Trump was going to win.
And Trump did win.
And he shouldn't have won.
So I saw early on in 2017, there was a curious article that came out like on January 3rd of 2017, right after Trump.
And it was called, it was by Defense One, which is a military industrial rag that the Atlantic It's one of the subsidiaries of the Atlantic family that owns the Atlantic, which is the mouthpiece of the establishment.
Defense One said, the new battle weaponized narrative is the new battleground.
And they literally told you what they were going to do on January 3rd.
And they realized they had to control the narrative, not just in the media, but in social media.
And so that's why the censorship and they started Uh, it's the censorship started slowly.
The test case was Alex Jones.
And then we've gotten to the point where they took Trump off social media and they started censoring anybody that was counter to the narrative they wanted.
So, you know, who does that?
That's intelligence agencies.
That's not, you know, that's not, that's not social media companies being bad people.
That's, and I think, you know, how do you, how do you capture a social media company?
You put your own people in.
You get dirt on the head of the company and you tell them this is the way it's going to be.
Right, so the three-letter agencies that they have, because I mean, I've always thought of it in terms of families, probably bloodlines and stuff, going back generations and that, you know, some of these guys own the Federal Reserve and so on, and there's the black nobility, there's all these, you know, sort of shadowy figures, but you're suggesting that
The intelligence agencies have their own agency, as it were, in shaping this agenda.
Absolutely.
Every intelligence agency has the black ops division and then the normal folks who think they're doing, you know, for God and country, right?
So, you know, you got two thirds of those people thinking they're doing the good, doing good.
And then you get the black ops people, which that's black ops have been running for decades and decades.
Just look it up.
Proof of black ops is in Afghanistan.
We took over Afghanistan.
Heroin poppy production was 10% of the world market pre US going into Afghanistan.
After we get in there, 90% of the market came from the poppies came from Afghanistan.
Where did that money?
How did that happen?
Where'd that money go?
Probably went into the CIA black ops.
I mean, that's how it works.
That's the real world.
I don't care what anybody says.
Because again, I put, you know, dots together.
And why did heroin production go up in Afghanistan?
After we took over?
If we're so good, why wouldn't it go be squashed and go down to zero?
No, it went to 90% of world market.
I was thinking, like, about 20, 30 years ago, I think you and I would have been offed by the agencies for this stuff.
I mean, I'm not ruling it out that we may yet get taken out, but do you think that there are too many of us now, or do you think that they just don't care anymore because they've achieved their aims, or what?
I think there's too many, but they've done a great job of demonizing anybody who thinks out of the box.
Look, it's too costly to go around offing people.
It just is.
And so, what's an easier way to get rid of someone?
You marginalize them, you call them a conspiracy theorist, you call them whatever.
But, again, these are just my opinions.
The data in my book stands on its own.
You don't even need the who and the why.
There's been a crime.
What you and I are doing is just, you know, analyst mosaics.
And, you know, if you had enough time and resources to break a story like this, I'm sure you could, but it might take two or three years to get all your ducks in a row.
We start off with the hypothesis, like we are here on this podcast, and then we set out to prove it.
I think that's eventually what you and I are spitballing here.
Eventually we'll be proven by the collective over time and investigations that come to light.
But this is not crazy conspiracy theory.
This is how the real world works.
Where are you on?
On it's clear that elements of the deep state are yearning for war with Russia over Ukraine.
I mean, well, they're having it to an extent.
Do you think they're going to get their way?
Do you think we're going to get... we're going to get dragged into this war?
So the Ukraine situation, I'm sure you followed what happened in 2014 there.
There was a CIA coup.
That's well documented.
You know, we basically were instrumental in basically putting in some of our oligarchs and our people.
And Russia obviously felt threatened by that.
Yeah.
And so this has been brewing since 2014.
And since 2014, once we went in there and kind of installed our puppet oligarchs, it's been a money laundering operation for our elites.
So, you know, when they approve $100 billion to send over there, a big slug of that is going to come back to them.
And part of this FTX scandal, that was the money laundering.
We're going to find eventually that was the mechanism by which the money was filtered back.
So, Ukraine is just a money laundering operation.
I'm more concerned about China, to be honest, because China hit a demographic wall in 2020.
That's just facts and math.
And they're, they're imploding economically.
And what do we know about the CCP?
Their biggest fear is not us.
It's their own people.
So when you're in power and you fear your own people, You try to keep the people happy with breads and circuses.
Well, the breads are running out, and the circuses are running out, so they have to create a boogeyman.
The boogeyman will be China, I mean, will be Japan, Korea, or Taiwan, and that'll drag us in.
So, you know, there are geopolitical concerns I have that are just based on the, you know, the monetary system as it exists.
That's how it works.
It's a boom-bust war cycle.
That's just the way it works.
Yeah.
And that's, it's designed, whether it was designed that way or unintentional, but that's how it works.
Right.
So there's no way out of that one, really?
No.
I mean, it's kind of inevitable.
Yeah.
Oh, well, that's a, that's a downer.
I think we should find a way of, um, is there anything, any positive stuff you can give me before we... Yeah, yeah, I know.
So, Again, most of what's going to happen is out of our control, but the good news is this.
Globalism is dead.
It's over.
The globalists don't realize that yet, but it's over.
And we're going to go back to local.
We're going to go back to communities.
We're going to go back to relationships.
And those who figure this out quickly and have the mindset are going to thrive.
There's going to be lots of opportunities in the chaos.
So, you know, the key is to keep your head Uh, you know, don't live in fear.
Meet like-minded individuals.
Gird yourself for a lack of comforts.
But if your mindset's there, you won't get depressed and anxious thinking, you know, Oh my Lord, the world's ending.
The world's not going to end.
It's just going to change.
And I think the Renaissance on the other side of this, but you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you know, um, control what you can.
And give the rest over to God that you can.
And just if you keep healthy, focused, meet new people, align, build things, build community, we'll be fine.
It's not going to be smooth.
It's not going to be always fun, but it's going to be better than, you know, the guy living in his, you know, his $5 million home in a suburb of LA, you know, wondering why he's being overrun by vagabonds.
You know, we won't be anywhere near that.
Right, okay.
You mentioned God.
I mean, one of the things that's happened to me in the last three years, I mean, I was a sort of cultural Christian, but I've become a proper believing Christian.
I was wondering where you are on that one.
Yeah, so God... I got mildly depressed in 2011-12.
And I made the mistake of looking at the pharmaceutical industry to help me, and that made me worse.
And I came out the other side because a guy who was a psychiatrist said, Ed, you're a walking zombie.
Do you know what I do for a living?
I said, what?
He said, I take people off these drugs.
They're all garbage.
They're bogus.
They're bullshit.
And he basically told me you need to get God, get good eating, get some fasting, get some exercise, and, you know, So that's what I did.
I found God again.
And what I've learned is all these worries we have in our head, they're about the future.
And Satan lives in the future and the past.
God is in the present moment.
So the more you can stay focused on the present moment and let all your worries go, depression quickly melts.
And so God, for me, has become a big part of my life.
And he guides me.
I mean, does God talk to me?
No.
But do I Talk to God.
I don't ask for things.
I ask for His will.
And this is why I believe firmly that my emergence into the chessboard is because God put me here.
Not because of me.
Yeah!
Me too, Ed.
I'm on a mission from God.
Yeah.
I guess we both are.
Yeah.
Well, we're not competing.
We're working for the same team.
And again, you know, what's interesting about this is people ask you, what are you going to do next?
I go, it will be revealed.
I don't, you know, and I, and I, and I align myself with people.
I'm very cautious and discerning and everybody wants to do something with me.
And I let God figure out who I need to talk to.
And the two gentlemen that came to me from Portugal, my partners at finance technologies are brilliant.
Yeah.
human beings that are super aligned.
And out of a myriad of emails that I got, God directed me to this one, and I started talking to my friend Carlos, who's now my partner, because God gave me discern me.
Out of the sea of all these people who wanna talk to me, I picked this guy. - Yeah. - And we're doing a humanity project where all our data resides for the world.
Now, if I pick the wrong guy, he'd be like, let's make money.
Let's make, you know... I stay away from anybody that wants to make money as their primary goal in life.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I agree.
And I think the other thing you get with God is truth and beauty.
And if you always try and cleave to what is true, I mean, it benefits you financially as well, I guess, because that's...
That's what we've been doing, isn't it?
Just finding out the truth from a sea of lies.
Well, look, I'm assuming you didn't go anywhere near the vaccine, correct?
Yeah, yeah, I didn't, but members of my family did.
Let's just think about this.
Because we cleaved to the truth and we didn't take the jab, we already have wealth.
The wealth is, our relative health is so much better than a lot of people, unfortunately, We will be okay, no matter what.
And financial resources will come to those who are able to move and act and think.
So, by the mere fact of cleaving to the truth, as difficult as it was for us initially, and as worried as we were about the future, I just believe and trust it in God.
And, you know, I'm not worried about anything.
I think I'll be taken care of.
And whether that means God will provide financially what I need.
I'm not going to get what I want, but what I need.
And that's all I want from God.
If I'm able to pay bills and help some people, great.
Am I looking to own yachts and mansions and have Playboy girls all around me?
No.
Those days are over.
Yeah, yeah, quite.
Quite, yeah.
By the way, I can recommend, as part of your health routine, the psalms.
Oh, great.
I learn the Psalms and I say them every day when I go for my morning run and what it does is it's like being a medieval monk who is taking exercise at the same time and you're filled with the Holy Spirit and you kind of think that God's there with you because there's so much wisdom in the Psalms.
I agree and I spend a lot of time alone doing meditation and just thanking God for everything, asking him for direction and you know I never used to do that until the last several years.
And, you know, the times made me really, you know, start praying again.
I mean, I was praying a little bit, but I really started praying in 2020.
Yeah.
The people I'm praying for most are the ones who haven't yet got God, because I think kind of these are the times when you need him.
Yeah.
You know, you need to build the right side.
Fear is not real.
And once you realize fear's not real, you realize what it really is.
It literally is satanic, and it hijacks your body and takes you to places you never thought you'd go.
And that's why we need to stay out of fear and in God, because God has said in the Bible, I'm here with you in the present moment.
The devil's in the past and the future.
By the way, you know that that is the most oft-repeated injunction in the Bible.
Do not be afraid.
Do not be afraid, exactly.
Because I do believe, if you look at scripture, that the world is the realm of the devil, with God's permission, but this is the realm of the evil one.
And he's ultimately pulling the strings of all the people who are trying to screw things up.
And we mustn't give him power.
You know, I totally, horribly agree.
And even in the great science fiction works, like Dune, A big part of the Dune mythology is fear, and people with fear are like animals.
And if you can overcome fear, you become human.
And fear creates an animalistic thing in us that goes awry in many people who are well-intentioned.
But, I mean, a lot of these people that are in fear over COVID and wanted to see the unvaccinated die were hijacked by fear.
I'm going to let you enjoy the rest of your Hawaii day, which is going to be a lot warmer than where I am right now, I imagine.
Yes, it's 80.
Oh, you bastard, I hate you.
But you are surrounded by evil tiger sharks which want to eat you as soon as you get into the sea, so there's that.
Yes, and I don't go too far into the sea.
Oh.
Tell us where we can find you, where we can read your book and stuff like that.
Yeah, so the book is on Amazon and SkyhorsePublishing.com.
You can also go to TheyLiedPeopleDied.com, which is my personal website.
And then my firm is called Finance Technologies, P-H-I-N-A-N-C-E Technologies.
It's a P-H instead of an F.
And on that website, you can find the humanity projects.
And that's where all of our data is.
It's free to everybody.
You can use it to multiply the force effect.
You can take it to your school boards, your elected officials and present the evidence and try to make your case.
So it's kind of a force multiplier for the world to see.
Well, look, many, many thanks and congratulations on what you've done, because I'm really looking forward to sending your book to certain members of my family, because I think they're going to be in for a shock.
Your arguments will penetrate, I think, because they're so rational and level-headed.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate that.
My intent was to convince what we call the marginal mind.
That's how we win.
Everybody we convert is less the enemy has and a new ally.
Yeah, yeah.
And thank you all my viewers and listeners.
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I really appreciate your support, or even just buy me a coffee.
Thanks a lot.
And Ed Dowd, thanks a lot again.
It's been great talking to you.
James, thanks for having me on.
Good to see you and appreciate you.
Okay, take care.
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