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Dec. 2, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Michael O’Neill
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Welcome to the Dell and Poll with me, James Dell and Poll.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am looking forward to talking to Michael O'Neill.
G'day, Michael.
Hello, how are you going, mate?
Can you hear me?
That was a great start.
It froze.
Can you hear me now?
I don't know.
I can hear you perfectly now and I don't know what happened there.
I'm hoping it hasn't been caused from my end.
No, well it doesn't matter anyway.
It's an amusing glitch to start off the podcast.
Michael, I didn't know of you until a few weeks ago, but I came across your wife, Barbara, because somebody in my Telegram chat group Sent me this one of her amazing lectures that she gives and this one was on water.
H2O and on the importance of consuming it with a sort of pinch of salt.
Yes, yes.
And ever since then, I've been sort of, you know, going around with... I went to Venice the other day with my wife, and one of the things I was doing was going around with a little sort of pot of Celtic sea salt or whatever, of sea salt, because I know how important it is.
And she's such a compelling spe... There you are.
I have it on my disc here, and so when I add my water, I have a little bit of salt, yes.
I mean, it's a game-changer, isn't it?
Well, it is.
It's a wonderful health benefit, as all the practical things that Barbara does teach.
It's just all health-enhancing things, very simple things that we can do that really give us a better life.
Yeah, sort of health hacks, I suppose you'd call them, or life hacks.
They're just easy.
Yes.
And transformative.
Absolutely, James.
So, tell me about yourself and tell me about Barbara.
I mean, you've written a book called The Assassination of Barbara O'Neill, which I'm happy to say is not literal.
I mean, nobody's... No, no, no.
Barbara is well and truly alive.
In fact, I was just I was just talking to her 15 minutes ago before, and she was very much alive.
She's laid up at the moment.
She was out gardening, as she often does when she gets home, and she had a spike of wood stuck up through her foot.
But she's over there, and I set her up for hot and cold treatments, and she's doing well.
But yes, I did write this little book called The Assassination of Barbara O'Neill, and basically it was the character assassination of Barbara O'Neill.
The unwarranted and unfair And absolutely absurd attack that was made by the Friends of Science and Medicine and in conjunction with the authorities in Australia to silence her voice of rational and common sense health.
Michael, before we go there, just tell us a bit about yourself and a bit about Barbara.
I mean obviously you're Australian, I can tell that.
You live in the country in New South Wales.
How did you meet?
Tell us all about that first.
Okay, well there's so much involved in that question.
I personally have been involved in health retreats for 35 years.
I started my first health retreat when I was 30 years old and I'm now 65.
And Barbara and I met and married about 25 years ago.
We've been married and I saw the value on her very, very practical common sense health reasoning.
I had two children.
I was a single parent.
Barbara had six children and she was a single parent.
So we then all of a sudden had a little Brady bunch and we had eight children who were all great little workers in our endeavors of starting a health retreat.
So, Myself, I've always been interested in what the truth is.
I want to know what is true.
I'm hearing this over here.
I'm hearing that there.
And I very much value the tenets of freedom.
I just like to live my life freely, which really, as an Australian and part of the Commonwealth, we should have that enshrined and guaranteed that we are a free people.
And so I became very very alarmed when I've seen a lot of things happen and particularly in the medical area that we're in natural health but of course there's this huge push in our country and I believe that would be to some degree in the UK.
It's everywhere!
When the pharmaceutical behemoth, this massive massive conglomerate just seems to override and the The general population are largely ignorant of some of the basic tenets of health and we've come to just completely trust in the system to rescue us without making any sort of, you know, real concerted effort to be healthy.
Was there a wake-up moment for you?
I mean, were you always mistrustful or was there an incident or something that changed your mind?
Actually, there was.
I'm glad you brought that up.
My grandmother, when she was in the final years of her life, I dearly loved her and she ended up in a home and she went blind and she was incapacitated and they told us, they said, the family needs to gather, they're going to pull her off all medication and we're going to let her go.
So we all went down there, they pulled her off all the medication and she got better and better and within a week her eyesight had returned and she was able to get out of bed and then they said, oh it looks like it was the medication.
At the time I was in my 20s and I thought, really?
Really?
How does that work?
You know, because I just had embedded in me some level of trust in the science and the system.
You know, it's nothing wrong to trust in science and science has made so many fascinating inroads.
I mean, we fly in aeroplanes, we trust the science there because they're absolute sciences.
We trust that our car is, it's all based on science.
But of course, once we, then I realised as we go into medical, Then science, in the name of science, is completely abandoned.
And we have this, there's money to be made, there's power.
So yes, that was a bit of a moment for me.
There was one other incident that happened.
I attended a health retreat.
My sister, At the time, she was an air hostess, which was quite a prestigious job back then when we were both in our 20s.
I was 29, she was 28 and she became very ill.
She got Irritable Bowel Syndrome and I urged her to attend a health retreat, which we attended together.
Previous to going in there, her diagnosis was that it was incurable and that she needed to have part of her colon removed and go on to a bag.
She was a very beautiful girl at 28 years old and she She and I just thought, really, how could this be?
How could you be 28 years old and end up on a bag out of a belly?
But we went to the health retreat and she got 100% better, completely better, just embracing these simple methods.
And I thought to myself, you know what?
That's what I'm going to do with my life.
I'm going to start a health retreat.
This is a worthwhile job.
This is what I want to do.
And that was probably in 1987.
I am a businessman.
That's my nature and I found the retreat.
I done the buildings up and embarked on my first spa wellness centre health retreat.
What happens?
I love the sound of it.
I'd love to come on one of your health retreats.
What happens?
What do you do?
Well, we take people in.
Basically, we take over their life.
You come in and You'll stay for one week or two weeks, and we will then determine when you're going to wake up, when you're going to go to bed, when you're going to drink, when you're going to exercise, what you're going to eat, what you're not going to eat.
Tell us about the prison I have to say, Michael, so far.
It could be a POW camp.
Well, it could be, but it isn't.
It's a beautiful environment.
Now, this particular... I'm here at my latest retreat, which is Misty Mount, when I say latest, I've been here, we've had this for 20 years.
It's in one of the most gorgeous environments you find in Australia.
We have a mountain stream that just comes pristine out of the mountains, runs right through the middle of the property.
It's on 450 acres and I suppose in metric that's about 210 hectares.
We have multiple buildings and so people come and stay.
They have very nice accommodation.
We have amazing staff who are there all the time who just tend them.
We have massage therapists, we have hydra, naturopaths, we have counsellors, And it's a really, very, very, very nice place to be.
In fact, just previous coming here, I don't know if you see my hair's still a bit, I've just had a steam sauna and I had it with a bunch of the guys that are here doing the program.
And one of the guys, he said to me, he's been serious problem with alcohol and he's never felt so good.
And he just hopes he can hang in there when he leaves.
And I said, well, you know, if you really like, you seem like a good hard worker, you can just stay here and give me a bit of a help for a while.
Most of the lawns, he said, really?
I can't believe you'd let me do that.
I said, yeah, sure.
I'll give you some accommodation and I'll give you some work.
And he said, then I just need a little longer before I go and hit the world out there.
He said, going past the pub is going to be difficult.
Oh, that's lovely.
So what percentage of your guests are seriously ill and what are kind of just sort of OK but need to sort of spruce up?
I would say that probably 30% are seriously ill and probably 70% just come here to, yeah, they know that they're not running on all cylinders and they just need a zing up.
We have people that come sort of regularly.
They leave and say, well, we're going to, you know, we're committed.
We're never looking back.
We're going to be healthy.
But of course, they come back and maybe a year or two later and say, well, we need some help again.
We've slipped off the wagon and we never felt so good as when we left this place.
So please do it again.
And that's what we try and do.
I've got to ask you Michael, how on earth did you cope during the Covid tyranny when your country was forcing you pretty much to get this experimental gene therapy jab that you must have known was not good?
Oh well 100% I didn't trust it for a minute because In fact, when this COVID broke, I was in Florida.
Well, I was in a number of places crisscrossing America with Barbara lecturing and I heard about it and they said, this virus, you know, this COVID, you know, and I thought, really?
Why are we worried about a virus?
That's nothing.
It's sort of like, I'm healthy, you're healthy, you know, like we have these all the time.
We get sick.
What are they talking about?
This is madness.
And I really thought this will blow over in a couple of months.
You can't sustain such stupidity.
Don't they understand anything about disease and how the body works?
And I remember I was in Florida, down in Miami, and we were about to catch a plane back to Colorado, and the lady that we were working with there, she says, are you going to get on a plane?
The COVID's there.
There could be someone on the plane.
I said, you know what?
I'll tell you something.
If every person on that plane's got COVID, I'm happy to kiss a lot of them.
That's about how worried I am of this COVID, she said.
Really?
That's extreme.
I said, no, no, no, this is not extreme.
What they're telling you is extreme because it's not true.
It's a lie.
So I don't believe there was a second in my life that I actually believed it because I understand the nature of disease.
I understand what viruses are and I wasn't going to be scared of something because the media told me to be scared or the government.
Oh, goodness me, the government, possibly the most untrustworthy organs on the planet.
And all of a sudden now we're going to They're going to be our mother, our doctor, our nursemaid.
Really?
Not in my life.
I'm sorry, that wasn't something I was going to go.
As far as our health retreat, we were closed for 11 months.
No!
11 months.
A health retreat?
Closed?
We were closed out.
In fact, I had police visit here.
We had officials come out here because it was reported that we refused to wear masks.
True.
We did.
Yeah.
We refused to put QR codes on our door and for people to check in.
Yeah, that's true too.
Guilty.
And the other thing, the police came out and said we had another serious offence against us, that we were serving a buffet.
And I mean, the poor police came out here and I just said, you must be joking guys.
You've come all the way here, one hour from where you are to tell us we're serving a buffet.
I can't believe you did that.
Did someone dob us in?
Tell me who dobbed us in.
I want to know anyway.
They just became embarrassed.
I said, this is ridiculous.
I'm sorry, fellas.
This is just, this is, this is un-Australian.
Honestly, you must see that this is just stupid.
In fact, they were so embarrassed, they apologized and left.
So, we never got, they never got.
I'm glad you made that point about an Australian because I think everyone has an idea of what being an Australian ought to be.
Absolutely.
And it's kind of, you like the outdoors, no worries mate, you know.
It's not about this kind of fascist police state that seemed to have emerged in, well, I mean, Victoria was even worse, wasn't it, under Dan Andrews, but New South Wales didn't escape.
No, we didn't escape.
We were probably the least affected, even though we were seriously affected, than all the other states, because in Australia, the government of the New South Wales is the liberal The Liberal Party, it's actually a contradiction, because the Liberal Party in Australia is the Conservative Party.
And they were a little hesitant to go to the extremes of, say, Dan Andrews or Anastasia Palaszczuk or this other clown that's in charge over in Western Australia.
But it was still pretty hard.
I mean, I've been arrested.
I'm still going before the courts for breaches of of COVID regulations failing to comply with COVID directives.
And that's that's how you was.
How hard was it?
I mean, I'm sure you never took the death jab.
How hard was it not taking it?
I mean, how much pressure was put on you to get this thing?
Well, there was enormous pressure put on us.
So to avoid the pressure, one thing I did, well, we stopped watching the mainstream media because it was complete propaganda saturation.
If you watch that.
And so the common people I realized, and most people were just watching it and they believed the lie.
And of course, they all felt, even if they didn't agree, they felt they were doing the right thing.
You know, they were saving someone else.
Yeah, it was a huge pressure.
Of course, I know.
No, no, I never took it.
In fact, I assembled all my staff when we received directives that we couldn't operate unless our staff was directed.
And I said, look, I've got this directive.
And I just want to tell you this, that I'm not the ruler of your life.
That's you.
But as your employer, I'm just going to tell you one thing that I will be disappointed if you did.
OK?
Your job's still safe.
I'm not going to sack anyone for not getting it, even though they say we can't operate.
And we just continue to operate.
Did you?
Yes.
We were closed for 11 months.
And the reason we were closed for 11 months is because I was willing to be open and people came, but people didn't come.
People were terrified.
You know, the streets were empty.
I continued to drive and travel and I thought, I am not going to let this change my life.
But it was eerie going on highways that are empty and police cars.
Now, I didn't get pulled over.
I don't know whether it was because I'm an old silver haired man.
Driving maybe a late model car or they might have thought, oh, well, he must have.
He's so blatant.
He must have some sort of written authority to travel.
He might be a government person.
But no, I just went wherever I wanted to go because I felt I'm not going to be in a free country just told how to behave.
It was quite eerie.
I remember doing a trip and I went through town after town and I wanted to buy a meal and everything was closed.
And I finally found in one small town a Chinese restaurant that was open.
And I went in and they were serving and I said, I'm glad you're open.
And they said, be careful, be careful.
But they desperately had to sell their meals because they wanted to live.
They needed to sell food so that they could live.
And what was the food like?
Yeah, it was actually a darn good meal.
Yes!
And I wasn't allowed to eat in, I had to take it out and I had to go and sit on the street there and eat my meal in seclusion.
Right.
Have you had any success treating, you must have encountered people who've been damaged by these vaccines, have you had any success in treating them?
We have had many people come here now that tell us straight up.
They said, I have never been well since I've had that vaccine.
So they've, they've come in here and what we do, we, um, I mean, I personally am not one of the, we have naturopaths here.
We have other people.
So we, they work out some sort of, um, regime that to help them.
And they tell me that it really helped them.
Um, they feel a lot better.
We're just going to work with the body because the healer, the only healer in the natural world, is the body.
The body is the healer.
So what we're just trying to do is aid the body.
We're going to start detoxing it.
We're going, in every way possible, getting it exercising and trying to bring it, get it back.
Because their bodies have been squirted into a toxic substance.
Unfortunately, with this RNA technique, Technology, it's deeper than just getting a toxic substance.
They've got something that actually, you know, tampers with their own DNA, which is very, very, very wrong.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So I think we should now talk about Barbara, who is totally... I'm always happy to talk about my wife.
Totally amazing.
I mean, I'm a massive, massive fan.
I also, by the way, like the way she's got lots of scripture, lots of biblical scripture in her head.
Yes.
I mean, one thing I've noticed, Michael, is during the last two years, A lot of people have realised the true nature of the world and have come over to Jesus.
It's extraordinary.
I know loads of people.
People who are awake are often Christian at the same time.
I know Barbara, as I imagine you are as well.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because what's going on in the world is evil, is it not?
Of course it's evil.
It has all the hallmarks of evil.
It's no less evil than the The insidious road that Germany took in the 1930s is no less evil than the road that communism and the Bolshevik Revolution started and ended up with Stalinism in the USSR.
We are on a slippery slope into tyranny and despotism.
And so, yeah, I see that.
Can you imagine?
And we want to talk about Barbara, my wife.
There's Barbara.
She she's never had a complaint against her.
We have an organisation in Australia called the Healthcare Complaints Commission, HCCC.
The organisation was set up so patients who have a problem with a practitioner go along and they say, this practitioner, you know, cut out my left kidney when I was supposed to take the right, or they took off my right leg when I was supposed to take the right, you know, for legitimate complaints.
But what it's become now, it's become the enforcer of a pharmaceutical dogma.
And so the complaints against Barbara, my wife, were in no ways about anybody that was treated by her.
They were philosophical complaints by pharmaceutical lobbyists and people who had a philosophical objection to her natural bent.
Basically, she's the opposition and the HCCC should just discard these.
They should be discarded.
And in fact, when I first saw the complaints, because the first complaint against Barbara was, that she was recommending goat's milk for children.
And they said that that's potentially fatal.
I questioned them.
I said, really?
I've never heard of it being fatal.
Could you give us the documentation that shows it's fatal?
They said, well, while there is no recorded deaths from goat's milk for children, it is potentially fatal because of the electrolyte balance.
I'd be like, really?
Like potential?
What's potentially fatal?
Walking on the footpath is potentially fatal.
Especially in Australia, mate.
With all your snakes and things and your funnel webs.
Peace.
Well, you know, we don't worry too much about them.
I've been living in the country a long time.
I run across snakes all the time.
They are actually quite scared of you.
But of course...
Yeah, anyway, that's another story.
Sorry.
Carry on.
Tell us more about this ridiculous, outrageous... By the way, what you're telling me is consistent with the experience of so many people working in alternative health.
So we've got a dentist over here, a guy called Mike Mew.
Who has found a different way of doing orthodontistry, which works, which is much, much better.
And he's being harassed and taken to court by conventional dentists, not because his technique doesn't work, but because they want to destroy him.
So what they're doing to Barbara in Australia sounds very similar to this.
It is absolutely correct.
And on dentists, you know, a few years ago, there was a Some dentists came out and said that mercury amalgam fillings are actually detrimental and they're very bad.
And of course they were poohooed from top to bottom from the ADA right through our fellow dentists in the industry.
But of course now it's pretty much standard practice that you don't use amalgam fillings.
So it always is generational and people protect their own little nest through ignorance or laziness because they don't want to have to relearn something else.
We have a famous Australian.
Her name is Sister Margaret Kenny.
She was a bush nurse and she found a cure which was almost 100% for polio back during the polio epidemic.
She was lampooned in Australia.
So badly she escaped and fled to England.
She didn't get much better treatment in England so she went to America and of course the Americans embraced her.
She started to cure the The polio patients and they have the Kenny Institute up there in Minnesota, or Minneapolis, actually.
I've been there.
And back in Australia, they had a Royal Commission and still found her to be a threat to public health.
So I don't see anything's changed since the days of Sister Margaret Kenny.
Of course, they made a Hollywood movie about her story because it's quite a fascinating story.
She's now a hero.
But of course, in the day when it's all happening, change comes so slow.
She was demonized and Barbara, what does Barbara do?
And people often ask me, they say, what really happened?
I said, well, Barbara did very dangerous things, you know, terribly.
I mean, you know, she told people to drink more water.
She told them to go to bed earlier.
She didn't try and get eight hours sleep at night.
She told them they should start exercising.
And really, that's all?
I said, that's it.
It's called the Eight Laws of Health.
That is her mantra.
She is.
And she expands it.
And then she shows scientifically why when you do these things, that your health will be enhanced and you will get well.
She's able to explain it.
And of course, knowledge is easy to him that understands.
That's in our biblical proverb.
And once people understand, they think, you know what?
I'm going to do that.
Because it's not just like, oh, you should drink more water.
Oh, you should stop eating bad things.
She can get in and define it and give you little tips.
For that, she is deemed a threat to public health in Australia.
A threat to public health.
Where did Barbara learn this stuff?
Well, she's been passionate.
It's quite long.
She has a fascinating... I'm happy to send you, James, one of my books.
We can talk about that later.
I give a little bit of a history there.
But she, she was just, she was a mother living in, she was a hippie for 12 years living in a rainforest.
And she had the children.
And she just, she observed, she read and read.
She's a ferocious reader.
And she loves to read health books.
Honestly, we're always buying them.
And she'll say, oh, I need this other, anything that comes out, she reads it.
Just because she says, I must know what's the latest.
And she can either, Accepted or discarded, you know?
And of course, she's had many, many years of treating people.
They're getting well.
So you make observations.
This is what a doctor, a true doctor does.
As they get older, they get what this, what this quality that is, that can't, cannot be quantified.
It's called wisdom, experience, you know?
And of course, you know, a young, I was talking to a, A young doctor about six months ago, and she's just graduated, she said, oh yes, Barb is very unscientific.
And I thought, you little upstart, what would she know?
You've just, you know, you're barely out of your nappies and come out of that university where you've been all hyped up and talking about a woman who has spent her entire life and has a God-given gift of great wisdom and experience.
And you think, you know, you know, this is, We value the credentials, but not the wisdom.
And that's not how a good society should run.
Good societies and old societies and even biblical societies, they valued the elders and the wisdom.
And Barbara is an elder and has a great amount of wisdom.
Yes.
And now she can't, she's forbidden by law from transmitting that wisdom.
I just thought I might have had a letter here.
We got a letter because she did a Zoom call, some Zoom calls in Australia, one to UK and one to Africa.
So then we got a letter from the HCCC and they said, oh, we're aware that she did some Zoom calls to the country and because they originated in Australia, she is, if we were to pursue this, She is potentially liable to three years jail, so you must cease and desist from doing these calls.
So you mean the intelligence services are monitoring your... She has been monitored by the HCCC and whatever organs they have at their disposal.
This is Big Brother.
This is Big Brother at his worst, or her worst, or their worst, or whatever worst it is.
That is extraordinary.
Can she not make international phone calls at all?
That's very good.
I actually dispute that letter.
I went to the hearing with Barbara.
The hearing was a complete stitch-up.
They just sat there.
We're at the Healthcare Complaints Commission.
We're assessing Barbara on her health advice.
Do you know how many health professionals are in that room?
None.
None.
There were two very unhealthy lawyers that sat right in front of her.
And I knew they were unhealthy.
I took one look at them.
I thought these people are suffering seriously with their health.
Then they had two investigators just a little bit back on the other side.
If ever was a communist court, that was it.
And so they just fired questions at Barbara.
This went on and a few times she came to tears because they were making very, you know, cruel accusations and not telling the truth and trying to make her out that she was a liar.
And she says, oh, I don't lie.
And I do know this.
She won't lie.
You know, sometimes I'll say to her, look, just say she just looks at me as if I'm coming from another planet.
Of course, she's not going to tell it untruth.
That doesn't actually bode well when you're into these crooked courts.
When we walked out of that hearing, We had engaged a lawyer to assist us, and the lawyer was mute pretty much through the whole thing.
It was a complete waste of money.
But I did say to her, I said, well, how did it go?
And she said, I'm very surprised.
She said they actually had nothing on Barbara.
Yeah, I thought they were going to bring out some stuff that they could really incriminate her, but she said they had nothing.
And I said, oh, that's great.
They're not going to do anything.
No, no, they're going to give her a permanent prohibition order.
But she's not going to be fined or charged or go to court.
Because there's nothing to charge her with.
So I'll just give her a permanent prohibition order.
I said, well, how does that happen?
See, this is the behavior of communist courts back in the USSR.
She's done nothing wrong, but we're going to find her guilty.
Find her anyway.
I get a little analogy in my book that I used to campaign back in my In my twenties, for people that were imprisoned in communist prisons, Christian, to be released.
So we do all this letter writing and get petitions and we'd send them to the Russian embassy and so forth and so on.
And I read a book, I'm not sure who wrote it, but some person eventually got out of it.
When they went to court, they were given 10 years and they had to line up And some got 25 years.
And so they lined up at the prison and they were told, you give us your name, your crime and your sentence.
And so he said, my name is so-and-so, my crime is political and my sentence is 25 years.
And then he said, but I'm innocent.
And they said, liar, if you're innocent, you only get 10 years.
You're guilty.
And this is how it is today.
You know, you're innocent, but they just scrub you off.
I had a doctor at our health retreat last week who's been scrubbed off, Dr. Kevin Coleman.
He was in charge of vaccination in all Western New South Wales.
And all he did was made observations that they were having problems.
He expressed and he said, look, we've got some problems out here with the vaccination rollout amongst children.
They said, just shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
But he said, I couldn't.
I had had to look further into this.
And so he was struck off.
They kept telling you to be quiet.
He didn't, and so he's lost his license to practice as a doctor.
So it doesn't matter where you stand, this behemoth, this evil empire, if I did use that word, they come after you.
Yeah.
Apart from the dangerous, the deadly goat's milk that Barbara was suggesting, were there any other accusations made against her?
What about cancer?
Yes, I'm going to read out.
These are the five charges that they gave her.
She failed to provide a health service in a safe and ethical manner.
That's for the lawyers, isn't it?
Because they can define safe and ethical.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Number two is held herself out to able to cure cancer.
Which, as I've said in the book, that's false.
It's true.
In fact, we were extremely careful.
We understand the implications to saying I can cure cancer or I have a cure for cancer.
We already know that they can come after you and destroy it.
We're not going to do that.
We know that that would be a A suicide for your career, but they claimed she did because people who had come and been cured of cancer, some of them had been very vocal about their stories and they'd been in magazine articles in Australia on these, how they'd gone to Misty Mountain, treated by Barbara O'Neill and got better.
And so they used that as their evidence, but we said, but that's not us, that's them.
Yeah, they said, no, no, no, no.
And the third one is dissuaded clients from seeking continued treatment by a registered medical practitioner.
You know, as if people are too stupid.
You're not allowed to make a decision.
You know, you offer people an alternative.
It's called getting a second opinion.
Goodness me.
That's all very, very bad.
Number four, engaged in misinformation in relation to the service you provided.
How vague is that in misinformation?
And the last one they got was failed to keep records of consultations.
That was absolutely stupid.
What it was, Barbara had very detailed records of the constitutions, but for a little while, we worked out of our house when we're doing renovations.
And so she kept all the records at home.
And when we were finally moving, it was my fault.
I picked up a whole bunch of these and threw them away.
So when they went through the records, they found there was a gap of missing consultations.
In a fair and equal world, they say, oh, don't let that happen again.
You know, you've got to be careful.
Don't let your husband throw things out.
But no, that was one of the charges.
Like, they just made it as if she didn't keep records.
It was just an utter nonsense.
She had extensive records.
And the interesting thing is, she keeps them very confidential to regard all her clients.
Confidentiality because they just came in and they just wanted them.
They took them, you know Where the ones breached?
Confidentiality and yeah Where do you think this this all came from?
Have you sort of managed to track down the author?
Yeah, I mean obviously that the real author of your L's is is is Satan, but who are his servants on earth in this case?
Okay, I'm in In 2015, we lived in a very peaceful environment.
We helped people.
We never got any much trouble from the authorities.
Well, really no trouble from the authorities.
But they brought in a law in Australia called No Jab, No Pay.
And so what it was that if you didn't get your children vaccinated to the full vaccination schedule, regardless of their condition or your desires or anything else, then you were penalised.
You were fined.
Essentially, you lost your payments.
Your legitimate tax exemptions and your child couldn't go to daycare and a whole lot of other things.
You became a pariah in your own country.
Was this federal?
This was federally, yes.
Which government?
It was put in by the Liberal government and the minister that brought in was the social services minister who was Scott Morrison and Scott Morrison later then went on to be the Prime Minister.
Wow!
So, Scott Morrison was always, I mean, a wrong-un.
He was a cuck, a fake.
Scott Morrison, yes, is a wolf in sheep's clothing, as far as I'm concerned.
Right.
Interesting.
The man does lack a lot of empathy.
You actually can see it.
You know, he makes a claim to be a Christian, but so did Judas.
Yeah.
It's not what you claim to be or to do, it's what you do, and that defines what you are.
His actions were not good.
They were not right, not ethical, and they were inconsistent with the whole spirit of Australia where, she'll be right mate, let people live.
When this happened, he also came out, now in our constitution section 116 of our constitution guarantees Your right to exercise your religion as you see fit.
Part of many people's religious belief is that they shouldn't defile their bodies or their temple of God with things that they consider unhealthy, like injections made up of aborted fetal cells and so forth.
And so they had a religious objection.
I personally shared that religious objection personally, even though, you know, I wasn't there to have vaccines.
He came out and he said, the Constitution doesn't stand on this one.
No one, there is no exemptions.
How he could do it.
And I thought that's really alarming.
So I went round to the political parties at the time and I said, who's objecting?
But they were all in step.
Everyone.
They were just all saying they basically voted us through.
So in response to that, I thought there is no political voice for this group of people.
So I started a political party and That's where our trouble started.
So we started a political party and I used to think, let them come after me.
I'm good for a fight.
But they got my Achilles heel.
They got me in the small of the back.
They attacked my wife.
They got, you know, whatever you want to call it, they got my underbelly.
And I thought, I didn't expect that.
And they just came after her.
That's so horrible.
And so entirely typical of the way that these people think and how they operate.
They're diabolical.
They're soulless.
There's something very dark and deep in there.
I honestly still pity them, and I know that ultimately they'll have to answer for their misdeeds and their dastardliness.
But in the meantime, evil prospers when good men do nothing, and that was what I thought.
I thought, you know, I can do something about this, and I used to think I'd like to think that if I was a twenties and thirties something parent trying to get in life that there may be some old bloke that would take up the fight and try and defend my right to raise my children how I see fit and in the principles that I believe.
And that's why I got into it.
By the way, Michael, I have to say you look bloody good for 65.
I mean, you definitely look 10 years younger at least.
Well, I appreciate that.
I mean, obviously, it's a testament to your lifestyle.
Tell me about your political party.
I mean, I imagine it's not going to change anything, but it might inform people.
Well, that's right.
We've just had an election in.
Dictator Dan, or Daniel Andrews, has just had his election on the weekend, on Saturday, and he got back in.
I can't believe it.
We're gutted.
I'm getting calls from people they say we can't believe it and I've been looking at the figures today and people voted en masse for him again because there's something funny about people you know like when Hitler was at his peak and doing obviously some things that were hurting other citizens of the country He still had his supporters that were happy to die and kiss his feet.
Stalin had them.
In fact, after they both went, it took generations for people to accept that they could possibly be wrong.
And even many people to their death still believe that Stalin was a good guy.
And it was probably Berea was the real problem, but Stalin was, you know, he was the good guy.
No, no, no.
These guys are not good.
These people, They were not good, and these people like Daniel Andrews, he's not a good man.
He has all the fruits of a bad man, of an evil man, and he shows no remorse in his evil.
And the people voted him back in again, and they're happy!
I watched them cheering and shouting, and I thought, you poor deluded souls!
So, you probably agree with me that the problems we're facing in the world today are not going to be solved by the conventional political system.
It's going to have to completely break.
Well, I do feel that, and I've often said to people, I'll say, why are you in politics?
And I say, well, all our systems have failed.
I feel this is the last chance.
Generally, once you lose freedom, it only comes back through revolution.
Is that where we're going to go?
I'm actually having a go to think that maybe I could get in there and make a difference, but it's not encouraging.
I've seen you've had, did you have on your podcast Lawrence?
Lawrence Fox.
Well, yes.
I talked to him the other day about this.
I said, look, Lozlo, there is really no point in your trying to make a difference as a political party, because you ain't going to.
It's all rigged.
The whole system is rigged.
Your job is to... We're fighting an information war, and you're best using your position in semi-politics to get the word out and to speak out on all the issues.
I do realise this as well.
There are people who are hungry to see support.
My thought of getting into politics was this.
I've done many protests there.
We've seen politicians.
We've spent months to organise a meeting.
You give them some information and they're sitting in there, oh yes, lovely to see you.
What are you here all about?
Oh yes, yes, looking at their watch.
Yes, yes, I've got another meeting to go.
Very busy.
And they'll have someone there tapping them on the shoulder, and then they're gone.
And I think they didn't even listen.
We invested so much into this.
So I thought, we need to have people in there.
We need to go in there.
We need to be able to introduce bills, object to bills, speak to the other politicians, make friends with them.
I do have friends that are politicians, and they tell me, Michael, you're an affable sort of guy.
You'll make a lot of friends in there, and maybe you could change their mind.
But I do know they will.
That they will love their own party first in their position.
Yeah.
It may be a, um, you know, some, I'm being told all the time, oh, it's an exercise in futility, but nevertheless, um, this is where I'm at and I won't do it forever.
We'll, we'll keep beating at the gate.
We have an election coming up here in four months here in New South Wales, which I will be running there for a seat in the legislative Council, which is the upper house of the state of New South Wales, and if there is a chance I could get in there.
And you're essentially a single issue party, aren't you?
You're talking about people's right to be free from their bodies.
Well, the party's name is the Informed Medical Options Party, but we've actually voted and we're changing the name.
So the new name is the Health Environment Accountability, Rights and Transparency Party.
Now, how's that for a mouthful?
That's a mouthful, yeah.
But at the Health, H, Environment, E, Accountability, A, R, T, we're the Heart Party.
Right, OK.
Oh, that's nice, yeah.
As opposed to the Myocarditis Party.
Yes, absolutely.
I look at our members and we have thousands of members.
We have a very strong board.
We have very passionate people in the party.
And really, it's an encouragement to many people on the side that we're there.
It gives you some sort of standing and recognition as a registered political party.
Currently, they're trying to do registers.
We're under review at the moment, but you know, I'm not worried about this.
This is the sort of shenanigans we've been Going through in the middle of the last election, they closed down our PayPal accounts and all this sort of thing.
It happens in two elections now.
In fact, I'll tell you how bizarre it is, James.
The first election I went for, I was picked up in the street and I was reported as being abducting a child.
So I went through this big thing.
It was all absolute nonsense and proved to be absolute nonsense, but it was reported by my enemies.
I've been... Anyway.
I've just been picked up recently.
It's the mainstream parties.
It's Joe Biden's Democrats who are into abducting.
Let's not go there.
Let's not go there.
Well, I was at the airport and I was seized only a couple of months ago and they said, we need your phone, your computer, everything you have on you.
We need your passwords.
I'd been reported of child pornography.
And I said, really?
Really?
Oh, they can plant that on you, you know.
I mean, they'll do anything.
I gave them.
I said, there's my phone and there's my password.
Here, you can have it.
Because I felt I had nothing to hide.
Yeah.
As soon as I'd done that, I thought to myself, gee, they could put something in there.
But they didn't.
They came back and said that it was clean.
I said, well, I knew it was clean.
That's why I was... and I thought, how long am I going to be here?
But only a few weeks later, they did the same thing to me again.
I said, how long are we going to do this, guys?
And I think, I mean, It was a couple of weeks ago.
There was nothing.
There's nothing today.
So, is this going to be a regular thing?
You know, every time I come along, you're going to try... That's pretty serious.
I tell you, it is.
That is behind the Iron Curtain stuff, as you say.
That's appalling.
I was talking to a Serbian guy when I was in Europe with Barbara a couple of months ago, and he said to me, you know, we used to think that when everything goes pear-shaped in Over here in Europe, we're all going to Australia.
Because Australia is the land of the great outdoors and, you know, it's all... She'll be right though, we don't care.
And they said, now we're looking at what's happening down in Australia and we think, we can't go to Australia, where can we go?
Yeah.
And I spoke to a businessman yesterday who lives in the city of Melbourne and he rang me up and he said to me, well, we've just put Dan Andrews back in.
He said, I think I'll go on retirement and I think I'll take my business out of this country.
I said, really?
He said, yeah.
I'm telling you, Mike, on that close, it's just... Yeah, move to a military dictatorship.
At least you know where you are there.
At least they're sort of upfront about it.
I know.
Yeah.
So, we are on a destructive course.
Australia used to be a great manufacturer.
In fact, we had six car manufacturers in Australia.
There's none here now.
We're very hostile to business.
It really is a socialist mindset that both sides of government have.
Can you just bring me up to speed on what's happening, the sort of the aftermath of the vaccines?
I mean, how many, what percentage of the population has been, has held out against the jabs, first of all?
Can you guess?
Yeah, well, the first one, I think they got an uptake of something like Well, they claim 90 percent.
No one believes that.
But, you know, it was a fairly high.
The second one was a bit less.
It was probably around, you know, 70 percent.
But the third one is actually quite low.
And people have had a gutful.
And you hear it all the time.
They said, I had to.
I wasn't well.
I can stick the third one, you know, where.
So that there is a lot of people thinking that, of course, you've got a lot of people.
That'll run and take 25 if they can get them.
You know, you always have the, there's no short of stupidity in society.
There's plenty of people to take up that side.
But, you know, there is a bit of weariness.
And I just spoke to a lady the other day because they're trumping it up now.
Oh, there's more COVID.
It's on the rise.
And she said, and she's been vaccinated.
She said, oh, my heart dropped.
She said, they're not going to do that again to us.
I can't take it anymore.
Are they going to do that again?
Are they starting to talk it up?
And she said, and I'm not going to take any more vaccines.
She said, I was so sick after the last two.
So that's, that is a feeling I believe with a lot of people.
They're, they're completely over it.
I don't know whether they're going to try and do something with the environment because now all the, all the environment drums are beating, you know, the environment, the environment, the environment.
And just tonight on the news before getting on here, I tried to switch it on just to see what their, What they're going on about and their bigger thing tonight is that we must not now pack koalas because it could distress them.
You know, they just go on to such nonsense every day.
We can't pack koalas.
There's a lot of suspicion outside Australia.
Among awake people, and I suspect it's probably the same in Australia, that a lot of your weather disasters are actually being manufactured.
That they're being caused by HAARP and so on.
Because they've had the technology to create extreme weather since at least the 1950s.
And I think your fires, those bushfires were man-made.
No James, I think I've lost you.
I think that the floods are man-made.
Sorry, James, I think we lost you there for a sec.
Oh, well, it would have been recorded anyway.
I was just saying that your floods and your bushfires, I suspect, were probably man-made.
that Australia is being used as a kind of test case for, you know, sort of man-made weather disasters, which are then used as a way of ramping up the climate change agenda and increasing controls which are then used as a way of ramping up the climate Thank you.
Yes, yes, there's a lot of talk about that.
I'm certainly open to that.
I do think we do We are a land of extremes.
I was brought up in school that we're a sunburnt country, that we're a land of droughts and floods and fires.
Yeah.
I wonder if all the alarmism we're having now doesn't serve a larger purpose.
And is it really any worse?
Now, we just had big fires here.
They came completely through our place.
We didn't lose a building.
I have 17 buildings on here and we had fires lapping right to the edge.
And we just, we thank God that they're all still here.
Put it that way.
But I spoke to my neighbour, who's an older man, I said, have you ever seen anything like this before?
He said, yeah, I've seen it like this before.
He said 1969.
He said it was probably worse.
And so I try and get perspective.
And as far as floods, I grew up in a town called Maitland, which was known for being awash in floods.
We haven't had floods there for years.
They do have floods.
So I probably take a little bit of an angle.
Is this just a lot of alarmism?
See, the flood that we recently had in the town of Kempsey, which is our nearest big town, they said it was the worst flood in 50 years.
So I went down with my camera and on the power pole there's a sign that shows in 2001 where the water was, right up the top of the pole, yet now it's down lapping at the bottom.
So I said, well have a look at this.
This is the worst in 50 years, but it just so happens that 20 years ago it was way up there.
It's nowhere near it.
What's the reality?
The reality is the media is beating it up.
That's the reality.
They're making a story out of... I saw that flood.
I've been living here for 20 years and I was here in the 2001 flood.
They were big floods.
They were massive floods that swamped the whole town and now, you know, everything is... it's high drama.
So yeah, that's...
Yeah, well, your media is so suspect.
I mean, I was shocked when I went over to Australia that actually your ABC might be even worse than the BBC.
The only thing you've got in Australia, you've got Spectator Australia, which is really good.
You've got Outsiders on Sky News Australia.
And you've got Corey Bernardi's show, which I do.
And you've got a few heroes, like my mate Ian Clymer, So there is a resistance, and you and Barbara, of course.
But, I mean, really, your country has fallen.
It's so sad.
It has fallen, and it's very, very sad.
You know, when Barbara came under all this attack, I sat her down and I said, listen here, this has happened.
So this is our options, love.
We can do three things, and I've thought about this.
One is you can retire.
Today you can retire.
We can afford that you can retire.
If you'd like to retire, just retire.
Number two is we can go to court.
I've spoke to the lawyers.
We've got to front up half a million dollars as a retainer.
It'll cost more, but they said they will run the case for us, but we need a half a million to start it.
In a bank system?
Yeah.
And number three is you can just go overseas.
She said, overseas, that's what I want to do.
I don't want to retire and I never want to go back to court again.
She said, I'll just go overseas.
I said, you sure?
That's what you want to do?
So it's been even tempting for me to, you know, relocate out of the socialist republic that's sort of, that's being developed and down here in Australia.
But I stay, my children are here, our families are here, my friends.
And I do have a voice down here to object, and I feel that I have a responsibility to stay and do.
But honestly, we could financially just leave this country, and I don't know where we'd go.
But where would you go?
That's the thing.
Well, I'm actually going to Africa in two days.
Which?
It's a big continent.
Which country?
I'm going to Kenya.
I have a very good friend.
He's been there for 25 years.
He always says to me, come to Kenya, it's pretty free over here.
We can do what you like.
I love Kenya.
Yeah.
So anyway, I haven't caught up with him for years and he's a darn good mate.
And so I said to him, listen, I've got a bit of a gap at the end of the year.
I've been threatening to come there for many years.
I said, I'll kind of come over and see you.
So that's, so I'll be there.
I'll be there for a few weeks.
So where is Barbara now?
Barbara's here.
Oh, she is.
So you haven't... She's here.
She's at our home which is a half a kilometre away.
I've just come into the office because it's quiet here and I have good internet here in the office.
Well I tell you mate, actually I'm looking at, you're currently 27% uploaded so you're going to have to keep your machine on for quite a while after this podcast because otherwise It won't upload and our fantastic cast will be lost.
So I'm just telling you now.
That's fine.
I'll just leave it on.
What time is it there by the way?
It's now 8.02pm.
Okay, right.
So yeah, so you've caught me in the morning and I've got to go and... I say I've got to.
Yeah, I do actually, for the good of myself.
I've got to go and get on a horse now because I like... I like getting on horses and riding around fields because I think that, you know, you can never be unhappy on a horse.
Have you got horses there?
No, we don't have horses.
I basically made a declaration, declared this place a wildlife sanctuary some time ago.
We have a lot of kangaroos, we have platypus, we have an abundance of... You've got platypus?
We absolutely have platypus here.
I bloody went to look for platypuses and I never saw one when I was in Australia.
Well, we have them here and they're not easy to see.
Platypuses are very timid and you might have to sit on a bank for a while until they think you're not there and they'll come out and then start to make a movement.
But yeah, we definitely have them.
I've seen them many times.
Right.
Have you got koalas?
We don't.
They're very thin on the ground here.
You might have a few in the bush, but yeah, I think after the fire, the big fire, they'll take a while to come back.
Yeah, they got probably a bit scorched.
Don't stroke them though, because that's a form of harassment.
Oh, yes.
I hear.
Poor things, they probably get distressed.
But anyway, we can provide counselling services for them, get them over that, I'm sure.
Michael, if ever I'm in Australia, I would so love to come to your retreat.
It sounds absolutely fantastic.
Tell us, I suppose this is mainly a message for Australians, where can they find your retreat, first of all?
They can find us at www.mmh.com.au.
We're in Bellbrook, New South Wales, which is on the Mid North Coast, west of Kempsey.
Yeah.
Okay, and are there any other other things you want to want to plug, promote?
We can only look up Barbara now from old footage from the internet, can't we?
From YouTube and stuff?
No, she's doing new things all the time when she's in Europe.
And in fact, I'm just looking at her schedule I have on the wall.
Next year is entirely full.
Pretty much the entire year is full.
I'm looking at here, it's Tennessee, Oregon, then she's over to Germany, Spain, Canada, back to UK, Ireland, Nuremberg.
Her year is full.
Oh, so could I technically, legally, without jeopardising her freedom, do a podcast with her when she's not in Australia?
Absolutely.
She's very happy to do it.
I'd love it.
She's amazing.
James has no problem.
If you keep in touch with me, organise it through me because I organise all her schedules and she'd be more than happy to have a chat to you.
Okay, that's great.
And thank you everyone for watching.
I've mentioned this before and I think it's worth repeating.
There is a kind of concerted effort by the evil forces that are trying to close people like me and Barbara and Michael down to try and make it as difficult as possible for us to monetize our service, whatever you want to call it.
I'm finding that the payment processes are making it difficult for me to earn a living.
I'm on Substack, I'm on Subscribestar, I'm on Patreon, and I'm on Locals.
Please find whatever way you can to support me, and if one doesn't work for you, try another.
I put all my stuff on all these platforms.
But otherwise, they're just going to shut me down, because I'm not going to be able to earn a living.
So please, please do make an effort.
I know it's a hassle, but I really, really appreciate it.
And Michael, is there anything else you want to say before we depart in peace, according to thy word?
Well, you know, we're over here, we're fighting the fight in Australia.
We do still have some hope that Australians might come to a point and wake up and take control.
I do think everything runs in cycles.
Evil can not prosper forever.
It never has, but it's a very uncomfortable time while it has its heyday.
Currently, evil is in its heyday.
But it will end.
And I do know that because history shows that it will basically implode because a lie never fails.
The truth will always survive.
We, and I feel very confident in the positions that I hold, that I'm only going from a standpoint of truth.
I value the truth above all things.
And a truth is a truth.
There is no my truth and your truth.
We only have the truth.
We have my opinion, your opinion.
And I strive to and hope to that all the views that I hold are in accordance with truth and I make a strong effort to find out what is the truth and then embrace that and stay with that.
And if I found at any point it's not, then I'm willing to change.
My only allegiance is to the truth, not to my own pride.
I'm totally with you.
I think truth needs to be our watchword.
Love, truth and beauty, they all come from God.
Absolutely.
And if you pursue those things, you can't go far wrong.
And you sleep well at night, because you know that you're in sync with God, you're in harmony with the truth.
You go to sleep and you can wake up and fight the battle the next day without misgivings.
Great.
Well, Michael, thank you so much.
I was very envious of those birds that I could hear making exotic bird noises in the background.
I'd love to come and go on your retreat.
And please send my love and admiration to Barbara.
I will.
I will, James.
And you come to Australia, whether you come and want to do a retreat or just come and visit us, there's always a bed for you.
Great.
Thanks, mate.
OK.
Right, bye bye.
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