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Nov. 27, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I have no special guest this week.
	It's Dick.
	I love Delling Pold. - Welcome to the Delling Pold with me, James Delling Pold.
	And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I have no special guest this week.
	It's Dick. - Completely unspecial Dick. - Completely unspecial Dick.
	Dick, I don't know whether you've noticed, but I've, especially for this podcast, I've grown a beard.
	Is this going out with visuals?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, obviously for those who are watching it visually, people listening through Apple won't be able to see.
	That's a beard, is it?
	I think I probably need HD.
	Yeah.
	See, the thing is, I'll tell you what happened.
	You may have noticed, using your trained artist's observational eyes, that I'm not recording in the same room I normally record in.
	I didn't even notice that.
	OK.
	But you know how when people post up pictures of themselves on the internet, and there's a whole team of sort of autistic spotters who micro-analyse every... Oh, absolutely.
	You've got to, every time you post anything, you've got to guarantee that everyone is going to read all the spines of the books on the shelves and, yeah, etc.
	It's like, before I tell you about my beard, did I ever tell you the story about the Nazi metal thing that goes on the front of a car?
	You know, like when you want a swastika on the front of your car?
	Like the AA have.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	So, a few years ago, I went to Slovenia, and I went to this market, and there was this Nazi thing, you know, like a swastika thing that you put on the front of your... Was that when you bought me the Nazi matches?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Obviously, you know, a good bit of World War Two memorabilia.
	But it was hanging around in my office.
	And then there was that awful occasion when the BBC documentary, The Horizon Team, came round to fuck me over with Paul Nurse.
	Paul Nurse, the Rockefeller Institute shill.
	And I hadn't realised it was a hatchet job.
	I was aware.
	Yeah, that somewhere in the room was this Nazi thing that I had to hide because otherwise the BBC would have this endless source of... Yeah, James Dallingpole, the Nazi.
	Anyway, the beard story is this.
	I was going to shave before this podcast, but I didn't have time because I realised that I...
	you'll you'll you'll recognize this is completely uncharacteristic of me i knew that i was going to do a podcast with you at four and i knew that if i wasn't there pretty much around the dot of four uh you'd be really cross with me yeah and i realized that i had to sacrifice something and the thing i sacrificed was my shaving rather than the moving the computer equipment into the office well without which i couldn't have recorded this podcasts So, anyway, that's the story of my beard.
	Well, I'm sure with all your viewers in that, had you not told us, we wouldn't have noticed your massive Brian Blessed style beard.
	Yes, I am like in Flash Gordon, aren't I?
	That's me.
	So, again, we seen each other a tiny bit, didn't we?
	We had a family gathering last weekend, and it was another Delingpole Brothers 40th, and it was very lovely, and we saw members of the family we hadn't seen for over 30 years in some cases, for some of the step side of things, and Although it was lovely, none of us got a chance to talk any deeper than sort of, how are you, fine, that sort of thing.
	And, when should we go for our fag break?
	Yeah, but the fag breaks were great, because all the naughty kids left simultaneously.
	And we're now at an age where the kids, well, the generation we thought of as kids, who are now all in their mid-twenties, ...are out there joining us for a crafty fag.
	So that was nice.
	It was a bonding experience.
	Aren't you proud?
	By so... by... what a high proportion of our family smoke.
	It was really quite exciting, I thought.
	You know what?
	I think a lot of them wouldn't have been smoking ten years ago.
	I mean, obviously, the kids wouldn't have been, but it's kind of like... I think there's possibly been a resurgence lately in smoking.
	Technically, I don't smoke, but it makes it all the more fun when I do.
	Well, I remember when you came to my Stroud gig, which I enjoyed very much, even though I was slightly... Do you know, to be honest, I was weirder than I am normally, because I'd not... Only a few days earlier, I'd had my amalgams taken out.
	Right.
	You know, my mercury.
	And I'd made the mistake, which I wouldn't make again if I could have my time over again, Of not getting them done by an holistic dentist.
	Because the thing was, I was of the view, I want to get these bastards out, I hate them, they're poisoning me.
	But what I didn't realise, because I hadn't, as always, I'd been, I'd done lots of research, but I hadn't researched to the nth degree.
	And had I researched to the nth degree, I would have been aware that what gets you is not, as I thought, the bits of sort of stray mercury filling falling down your throat, which even normal dentists deal with.
	They have a kind of Sort of plastic kind of sheet, you know, rubber sheet, that's it, to stop that happening.
	But it's the mercury vapour and the mercury vapour fills the room, as you'd know if you listen to my Boyd Haley podcast.
	Which I haven't got to yet, I'm way behind.
	No, no, it doesn't matter.
	It goes up your nose and that's why you need to go to an holistic dentist because they have oxygen tubes to stop you inhaling this toxic shit.
	Right.
	So, I was on the beginnings of a journey into the realm of extreme weirdness, and it was quite terrifying for a moment.
	Mercury poisoning is no joke.
	It really, really messes with your head.
	I mean, I'm over it now, because I've been doing lots of Pateko, which has different effects, but it at least doesn't make you Doesn't take you, well, a different form of hell, let's say.
	So, yeah, I saw you at that, the Stroud event.
	Thanks for coming, everybody who came.
	And I said, should we go out for a fag?
	And you said, I can't, I've got lung cancer.
	So tell us what happened about your lung cancer.
	How did you get rid of it exactly, Tim?
	I'd been... I'd been...
	I was smoking sometimes two roll-ups in an evening, and I know it doesn't sound like an awful lot, but there was a sort of heaviness across my chest, and obviously, being a delingpole, it wasn't just a heaviness across my chest, it was lung cancer, completely self-diagnosed, and then you sort of just idly
	browsing the web, and an ad comes up, and it's the bloody NHS, and it says... It knew you, it... Do you think you've got something that's not quite right?
	Come and see us soon, it might not be cancer, and there's this thing with a... the man's got a jack-in-the-box, and he's winding it, and he's terrified, and he's with his doctor, and the doctor's with him, and it opens up, and there's nothing in there.
	So it was alright, and I thought, how the hell Did they manage to target my particular paranoia for cancer at that time?
	So basically a combination of that and thinking kind of like God would be telling me not to smoke if I think I've got lung cancer.
	So everything was pointing towards, don't smoke, you're going to die.
	And anyway, the heaviness went after a month or so of not smoking.
	And so I obviously thought I'd celebrate by taking up smoking again.
	So, yeah.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You know, a celebratory bag.
	It's very, very difficult, isn't it?
	I think we can agree.
	Working out exactly what God is telling us and what's just some crazy shit that our brain made up.
	Well, he's notorious for moving in a mysterious way, isn't he?
	Yeah, but... but...
	Our job, as I understand it, as Christians, is to be able to use our discernment to... Well, I think you build up a relationship with God, don't you?
	And you have to sift the wheat from the chaff.
	You have to work out what is noise and what is signal.
	We were talking about this last night at Thursday Circle, and it's kind of like you can't just go blaming every single bad thing on demons.
	There's going to be some shit that just happens.
	Well, uh... Do you think?
	This was the discussion.
	Is it?
	Is every monkey thought you get a kind of minor mini-demon?
	Is every mishap in your life down to minor demons?
	And are the major mishaps down to the more serious demonic activity?
	And is everything good down to God?
	These are supposed to be open questions.
	I don't know.
	But it's interesting to ask.
	I don't.
	So, on that particular subject, I mentioned to you that God told me he'd like me to smoke less weed.
	And I think that the reason I knew it was God Rather than just sort of killjoy demons trying to take the fun out of my life.
	Which he said to me, look, I really don't mind.
	I'm not objecting on moral grounds.
	You know, we all need, we all need a I'm into escape and stuff and I'm fine with that.
	But my problem is that when you read my word at night in bed, you're not taking it in because you're stoned and you can't deal with the King James language when you're out of it.
	And it's not good because a key part of, you know, being on my side is absorbing my word and understanding it.
	And he said, you know, I don't mind you smoking now and again, but I don't want you smoking every night.
	So I thought that was a, you know, I sort of, you know, said, come on, you know, you're OK with me having it now and again, aren't you?
	And he wasn't clear on that.
	But so then what happens is that, you know, on the rare occasion I do have a smoke, I then get all the voices in my head, and I can't work out whether these are demons or whether these are God, saying things like, I did not mean you to smoke at all, in fact.
	You deliberately misinterpreted me.
	You know I want you to give up the weed completely.
	But the problem is you can't discern whether or not this is real or not because you're stoned, and this is your paranoid brain anyway.
	And the next day, when I wasn't stoned, I thought, actually, I'm not sure that was God.
	It's difficult.
	It's difficult.
	Stoned thinking can sometimes lead me to...
	I think I'm on the very edge of a massive realization, and everything is suddenly going to make sense, and Matrix-like, all of reality will drop away, and I'll see everything for what it is.
	Never quite get there, but it sometimes helps me to kind of see with my third eye, I suppose.
	It's... I don't know whether it's scary or exciting or a bit of both, but either way, there's a lot more out there that I haven't yet grasped, that I am one way or another on the point of understanding.
	I can't believe it's taken me 55 years of my life to get here, but it's kind of like...
	I'm going to work everything out and then I'm going to die.
	It's a little bit annoying.
	I know, I know.
	We really, like, relative to the life we've experienced so far, we haven't got that much.
	We've got to cram a sort of PhD plus course Into possibly just a few years.
	Yeah.
	Or even less.
	Whereas we've been arsing around all our lives imbibing this false information created by the Illuminati or whatever.
	I mean, remember our chat with Jonathan, with Jonathan Myles-Lee.
	I mean, the stuff that he'd been seeing and experiencing and, you know, he He had it pretty much nailed, which is the Ryan.
	Well, that level of weirdness.
	But he kind of knew the trade-off, I suppose, was sadly a life cut short.
	But he didn't seem particularly fazed by that, which, you know... No, he checked out at the right time.
	He checked out in great style.
	He knew exactly what he was doing.
	I don't feel I mean, I don't know if I feel envious of him exactly, but he chose his moment well.
	I mean, have you not sort of experienced this, that one feels completely differently about death when you become a Christian?
	You don't see it as an end point anymore.
	One hundred percent, but one thing that does bother me slightly lately is the idea of... I mean, I'm not scared of death, but I don't want to be tortured to death.
	Do you ever get that?
	Don't you particularly want to be martyred?
	The problem is that nor did Jesus.
	There were these moments in the New Testament where he says... I've just read one.
	I've just read Mark and the scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, you know, when the disciples fall asleep on him.
	And it's very moving, obviously.
	And yes, I mean... Who does want to be tortured to death?
	Yes.
	You've just got to go with his plan, whatever his plan is, because he's got a plan.
	He's got a plan.
	I just wanted to tell you, before we completely exhaust the steam, about my favourite new psalm.
	Go on then.
	Which I was turned on to by Gavin Ashenden.
	And, um, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, when I, when I finally, this is an ongoing thing, isn't it?
	Me not getting around to doing my Psalms podcast.
	When I finally do my, my Psalms podcast, then what I'm going to do with Gav is Psalm 139.
	139, write that down.
	Okay.
	The old 139th.
	Oh, 139th, yeah.
	Um, and as you know, or you may not be aware, that this, this, this kind of, Well, there's many versions of the Psalms you can learn, but the ones, the choice for me is always between the King James Version, or the Coverdale Version.
	Yeah, I've heard a lot of talk of the Coverdale Version.
	Coverdale, Miles Coverdale, he was the Bishop of Exeter for a while, and he spent two periods in exile abroad, because if he'd stayed around he would have been, he'd certainly been burned at the stake.
	Lived to a ripe old age, lived into his eighties, and His translations of the psalms are so lyrical that he really ought to be recognised as one of the great poets of the 16th century.
	He was born in the 1480s and he was sort of translating these psalms at about 1550s.
	about 1550s.
	So it predates the King James by what, 60 years?
	Sixty years, yeah, yeah.
	And I'm sure some of his phrases were used in the King James Version.
	Anyway, I've been learning the Coverdale translation, and I'll just read you the first bit, because I've actually memorised the first bit, but I haven't quite got there where I'm really secure with it.
	So it goes, Oh Lord, thou hast searched me out and known me.
	Thou knowest my down sitting, and mine up rising.
	Thou understandest my thoughts long before.
	Thou art about my path, and about my bed, and spiest out all my ways.
	For lo, there is not a word in my tongue, but thou, O Lord, knowest it altogether.
	A lot of the psalms I've been learning have been sort of quite martial, martial psalms.
	You know, like sort of going to war with the forces of darkness or whatever.
	But this is a very intimate, intimate psalm and it just kind of makes you feel, it's very comforting.
	It'd be nice to have in your armory a psalm for every mood, every purpose, you know, some warlike ones, some calming ones.
	I mean, obviously that's what we're working towards anyway, but yeah, it'd be good to have the whole lot nailed, wouldn't it?
	It would.
	I mean, the...
	Sorry, this is not really relevant, but I keep wondering, with regards, for example, to the King James Version, how much of it is just royal propaganda?
	Because anything done by a king, who is also a Freemason, by the way, Right.
	And once you start, once you know what I know about the royalty and the European aristocracy, I mean, you don't want to know it, Dick.
	It's just so horrible.
	It's just like, they are wrongans.
	Through and through.
	Yeah, Romans through and through.
	Right.
	So, anyway, I don't suppose you've done a yes-no game or anything like that?
	No, but I want to get something lined up for our possibly to deploy at our London gig.
	Yeah.
	You know, at the comedy show, the comedy store thing.
	It'd be very popular if you did.
	I'm sure people would be going, yes, not no.
	But what I thought it would be, would be Um, African tribe or gender?
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, so I'm going to work on that and hopefully have that one ready.
	Because remember the MP or Star Wars character one?
	That was quite good.
	It was good.
	On that basis, I'll use it for that.
	I have been doing a little bit of research because I wanted to make sure I was up to date with at least knowing who you talk to in your recent podcast.
	Oh, yes.
	That's normally a rich scene.
	Tell me, who have I been talking to?
	Well, no, I think I haven't gone much beyond Bart Sobrel.
	And I really did enjoy that one, especially for the bit where he, right the way through, he keeps on going.
	And you can find all this at bartsobrel.com.
	And anyway, as I was saying, of course, the moon landings were fake.
	And you can find all of this at bartsobrel.com.
	And then at some point you said, well, Bart, it's been lovely talking to you.
	I don't think he mentioned your website enough, so could you just remind us one more time where we can hear you?
	I don't think he got that you were being naughty.
	I was.
	It was a good podcast and I think he You got on really well.
	It was a very divisive podcast though, Dick.
	First of all, I have to say about Bart, that he wrote to me afterwards and said, look, I'm really sorry, I was not on my best form on that podcast.
	Oh, really?
	He talked American, so he wouldn't have said I wasn't on my best form.
	In an American way, he expressed the same sentiment.
	And he explained that he'd actually been really, really ill but that he didn't like cancelling podcasts so he'd gone through it.
	Oh right, that's the sort of thing that you'd do.
	I did slightly feel that he did not give me as good a podcast as he gave to German Warfare.
	He was too much about sort of machine gunning out all the information and there was no time to sort of pause to question him.
	And I think that this slightly had an effect, not on those who went into the podcast just really wanting their suspicions confirmed, but those who went into it firmly believing that man had landed on the moon.
	Completely unfamiliar with the arguments to the contrary, and wondering why I wasn't interrogating him more, why I wasn't holding his opinions to account.
	And there were two reasons for this.
	One is that, obviously, I've listened to loads of podcasts with Bart Sabrell, so I'm I've pretty much made up my mind what the story is.
	But the problem there was that he wasn't able to elaborate.
	He didn't elaborate because he was so busy getting out all the information and moving on to the next point.
	And when people are like that, it's quite hard to sort of say, wait just a second.
	You say the CIA murdered them.
	OK, I get that.
	Can you give us a bit more detail?
	Yeah.
	And what he was instead doing was he was just using references, because I'm sure that is all there on his website.
	I mean, he's made movies about it and stuff, and he's written books about it.
	The detail is all there.
	Maybe I should have...
	got him to pause occasionally for example for him to explain that the the way they murdered them is is they burned up the the the spaceship on on the launch pad that's how how all the crew were wiped out you know they didn't the CIA didn't didn't all shoot them or stage car accidents or whatever um so details like that and what it did was somebody
	one of my sponsors got really cross and said i you know i'm so appalled by this this this podcast that that i'm not gonna i'm not gonna sponsor you on patreon or whatever anymore And I was thinking, well, if you don't like it, just go.
	Don't tell me.
	I mean, it's not going to change what I do.
	Just like, you know, miserable git.
	But yeah, it was a good sort of gallop through the moon landing.
	See, I've only done Wagging the Moondoggy, which was great and very entertaining, and I did it in a sort of audiobook form that I found on Odyssey.
	So that was something I can do while I'm working, rather than something I have to sit down and read, because I've just finished, well, recently finished the Laurel Canyon thing.
	So, you know, I'm stacking up the conspiracy theories and enjoying it immensely.
	I think you've got to get to the point where you assume that most of those around you, for instance on the third Wednesday, just about everyone there will be... Of course the moon landings were faked.
	I mean, come on, duh.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you don't need to be in normie world for that.
	But I wasn't there two years ago.
	I was kind of like... You know, I was sort of, well, I'm open to it.
	Can you convince me?
	It is really quite convincing.
	So that is one of the questions that it did raise in my head, which is, who am I podcast for?
	Who am I talking to?
	Am I talking to those already down the rabbit hole who just want their suspicions confirmed or amplified, or Am I reaching out to people who are not down the rabbit hole and need persuading very, very gently, a bit like Mar-Vell to his poor mistress?
	You're not going to get everyone into bed.
	I mentioned briefly, this one I'm looking off screen, that book that I sent you the cover of, that one of my Thursday Circle friends gave me as a gift, and it's called The Holy Kingdom by Adrian Gilbert, and the subheading is The Quest for the Real King Arthur.
	So this is a book that kind of It fits in with the all of history that as you know it is a lie sort of thing.
	Yes.
	Especially with respect to the chronology of our kings and queens of England and it goes right back to one of the central points it tries to make is something that you'd alluded to in a conversation with me before is that The Roman invasion wasn't a case of Romans coming over here and civilizing us.
	It was, you know, they were in their own way every bit as bad as the Vikings and were in for themselves.
	And we were a perfectly civilized race before they arrived, thank you very much, and they weren't bringing all that much to the party.
	At which point you've got to say, the aqueduct?
	Yeah.
	I was thinking about the aqueducts.
	And also, didn't they bring peace?
	Peace!
	Anyway, the risk of alienating even more people by slipping into boyish Monty Python parodies.
	It's, you know, I'm enjoying yet another Rabbit hole, but what I thought I'd do with this one is, while I was reading it, do a quick internet search for people who hate this book, and people who are debunking it, so I can see the arguments against.
	If it is a complete load of bollocks, I want to know up front.
	So I was looking for people who had something to say about it, and I was immediately attracted to someone, I don't know whether it was a substack or something like that, but someone's blog that said, this book is the worst book I've ever read.
	So I thought, oh, I'll read this.
	And they said, this is a sort of book that's read by anti-vaxxers.
	Great!
	That's absolutely hit the spot then.
	I was confident that everything else that person had written was going to be angry, sort of like, this is an outrage sort of stuff.
	So, yeah, I'm carrying on reading it with confidence.
	It's a bit like...
	As you know, my first entry point into the rabbit hole was when I realised that everything that they were telling us about global warming was a lie.
	And that was a lonely place to be for ten years of my life, given that the whole system, the schools and the universities... So how long ago is that now?
	That's what, twenty or thirty years ago now?
	Well, yeah, when I was writing Watermelons, which was, what, 2012, or I think it was published in 2012, or whatever.
	But here's something I noticed at the time, was that the people most vigorously defending the climate change, the global warming scare paradigm, particularly journalists, were also massive Darwinians.
	They were really aggressively Darwinian, and they were aggressively anti-homeopathy.
	And I sort of noted it down mentally.
	I didn't pursue this any further, but it raised the first beginnings of doubt.
	I thought, oh right, so if these people ...believe that the climate change lie and are really, really pushing it hard.
	And they are also fanatically pro-Darwin.
	What does that say about Darwin?
	And also, if they're anti-homeopathy, what does that say about homeopathy?
	It made me warm greatly towards homeopaths, and that's a warmth I have not lost.
	But now I've come to realise, Darwin, high-level Freemason, in the play of the Rothschilds, complete scam.
	I mean, there's a rabbit hole.
	Yeah, no, that's certainly on the sort of mental list of rabbit holes to visit, but it's... Twitter's quite useful for this.
	It's for seeing the sort of what people say about themselves on their bio.
	And we all know that a Ukraine flag is an absolute sort of
	It's a red flag.
	It's And it was deemed very untasteful.
	But little things like you see that a lot of these people are rapidly atheistic and they hate Christians, they hate climate change deniers, they've got FBP.
	There's so many shows that you just know you're dealing with the wrong one.
	So, uh, yeah, the battle lines are drawn, and it's not left and right, as you've been pointing out recently.
	Everyone knows that one.
	It's, um, it's whether you believe the current thing.
	And, uh, yeah, Ukraine is a classic for it.
	Have you been following the Gonzalo Lira versus Douglas Murray thing?
	Someone mentioned something about that.
	Can you fill me in?
	Are you familiar with Gonzalo Lira?
	I want to get, I want to get Gonzalo Lira on the pod.
	So he's this, I mean he's of our persuasion.
	He's out in Kharkiv, Kharkov, are they the same place?
	I'm not sure.
	But he's been out there for some time.
	And he's, I mean, some people say that he's just a kind of Russian Russian shill, but the people saying this tend to be people of the, you know, the pro Zelensky persuasion.
	I mean, I, I listen to his podcast occasionally.
	I find him pretty, pretty balanced in his assessment is look, you know, The Russians have got this and he says this more in sorrow than sort of jubilation because his point is Ukrainian boys are being killed to no purpose in a war that they cannot win and that all the West is doing, all NATO is doing is
	It's dragging out the process, dragging out the death throes and resulting in more young men being killed.
	Anyway.
	That seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to say.
	No matter which side you're on, prolonging the war is surely the last thing anyone wants to be doing.
	Well, the point is that that's just not true.
	There are lots of people, lots of vested interests who really want to drag the war out, because essentially the bigger picture is that the deep state, particularly in the US, people like Victoria Newland, who's Assistant Under Secretary of State or something, but she's part of the Khazarian Mafia, she's got ancestral ties to Ukraine which makes a very kind of biased on this score
	they are using it as part of a long-standing plan to weaken the power of Russia these people for historical reasons absolutely hate Russia and want and want to destroy it this has always been the plan
	so this is why that they're allowing this proxy war to play out where they pour materiel paid for by the West paid for by you and me into Ukraine in order to to like reduce Russian manpower and reduce you know it costs Russia a lot but lots more money and and so on it goes anyway um um Ah, because basically Ukraine is losing.
	It just is.
	Because, well obviously, it's got a much smaller military than the Russians, and the Russians have been, I think they're the world's second biggest military, something like that, so of course they're going to beat the Ukrainians.
	The faction, that Deep State faction, which I was talking about, wants to drag the war out, even though it is effectively already lost.
	And they haven't really been doing as well, despite the plethora of blue and yellow Blue and wee-wee coloured flags that we see everywhere.
	They haven't really succeeded in doing what they wanted to do, which is to turn this into the cause that everyone supports and everyone's quite happy to sacrifice their children in this just and noble war.
	That's the background.
	And then Douglas wrote this piece, Douglas Murray wrote this piece for the New York Post, which is an American tabloid, but quite a sort of, you know, tabloids go quite respectable.
	And he went out to Ukraine and reported on the fact that he went to Kherson, where the Russians, from which the Russians withdrew fairly recently.
	And Douglas was presenting this as a spectacular victory for the Ukrainians.
	He wasn't sort of describing it as a withdrawal, but a sort of humiliating retreat and so on.
	And, anyway, Gonzalo Nera's point was, I used to think this guy was great.
	I used to think he was one of us, but all he's doing is shilling for the New World Order.
	He's shilling for these very dodgy people.
	He's twisting the facts.
	He's stating stuff that Latently isn't true.
	I think there was one point where he said that in Mariupol something like 80,000 civilians had been killed.
	Well, just not true.
	I mean, I think that's what Gonzalo's point was.
	But it has turned a lot of people who were previously massive Douglas fans into massive Douglas sceptics.
	Anyway, that's the story.
	It's painful for me because I don't want to not like Douglas.
	He's great.
	It's not the first time he's come under scrutiny because there was something about He was very quiet on Lockdowns and Jabs, wasn't he?
	He was not fully on side with that.
	By not fully on side and a bit quiet, you mean totally silent.
	That's the problem.
	I'm trying to give myself a chance of maintaining a friendship with him.
	Not in my wheelhouse was the phrase he used, I think.
	It's like saying, yeah, I don't know, if somebody comes in, breaks my house and shits all over my carpets and steals all my stuff, I can't comment because it's not in my wheelhouse, you know, I deal with politics and this is more of a police event.
	It's like, How can the biggest assault on freedom in Western civilisation ever, how can that be not in your wheelhouse as a political commentator?
	It's just bizarre.
	So yeah, it's sad.
	It is sad.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Some further research I was doing to give us conversational topics was, I read your Spectator article on the brilliant Half-Blood, I'm sorry, Half-Bad, yeah?
	Which I'm also watching and absolutely loving.
	And I didn't realize it was the same guy who did Giri Haji and Lazarus Project.
	And Lazarus Project was the brilliant thing I'd been watching that I couldn't remember the name of, that I wanted to mention at the end of the last podcast, and I couldn't remember it, so we never got on to it.
	But did you actually watch Lazarus Project?
	Yeah, I watched quite a way in and then I got overwhelmed by other things to watch and I would rather like to see how it ended.
	Have you seen it to the end?
	Well, I think the wonderful thing about... What's the writer's name?
	Joe Barton.
	The wonderful thing about Joe Barton's stuff is that just as he thinks you've got the measure of what's going on, he completely confounds it in a brilliant way, not in a sort of ridiculous twist, but in a sort of, oh my god, I didn't see that coming, and that's amazing, and it really gears you up for the next episode, and that's what Lazarus Project keeps doing.
	Joe Barton is, I think, There should be warning signs for the likes of you and me.
	Lots of woke references in a way, but none of it seems to matter at all because the acting is so good, the writing is so good, and you are just swept away with it.
	So I'm enjoying Half Bad in the same way that I enjoyed Lazarus Project because Uh, every episode.
	Just as you think, well, I know how this is going to play out and I'm just going to sit back and enjoy watching that happen.
	And no, you don't get that.
	So, uh, yeah.
	What I don't know about, um, because they changed the name, didn't it?
	The books were written by a woman, an English woman, who lives in Cheshire, I discovered.
	Uh, never heard of her before, because it's teen, teen fiction.
	Yeah.
	Um, the books were called Half Bad, and it's a trilogy, which I've never, I've never even seen them, but we're not normally going to bookshops anymore anyway.
	Um, but they changed it, didn't they, to... The Bastard Son and the Devil Himself.
	The Bastard Son and the Devil Himself.
	Which, yeah, as you say, was a big mouthful.
	Yeah.
	Uh, but I mentioned it at work.
	And I think it might have been a free adaptation.
	No one had seen it.
	Well, they wouldn't because it wasn't very well advertised.
	No, it hasn't been either.
	Weirdly enough, it turned out, a nice bit of serendipity here, it was produced by an old friend of mine called Jonathan Cavendish.
	Jonathan Cavendish set up a production company with Gollum.
	Not literal gold, Andy Serkis.
	Andy Serkis, right.
	Yeah, and so I'd already given it a rave review when I discovered this after the event, so it must have been, you know, he probably doesn't think I wrote it to be nice to him, because I wouldn't do that.
	I'm not in the business of picking up stuff that's shit just to please people, because that's what the people we despise do.
	But yeah, it was...
	I think so, but there was unfortunately a moment where your line, whatever, I don't know what the technical term is, you went away, you froze, and so I was speaking over you, so I don't know what, I don't know, yeah, annoying.
	It's particularly annoying given that I'm using, I'm using Starlink.
	And you'd have thought Starlink... Starlink is the satellite system that works.
	Right.
	No, it's been a lot better since you got there.
	It's been a lot smoother.
	Oh, I know!
	I haven't lost you at all.
	It's almost like, people... If you tell people today, do you know what?
	The quality on James's pod... on the Deling pod used to be really shit.
	They go, what?
	No, it's absolutely tip-top.
	How can you say that?
	What a vile... He's known for his quality production.
	The podcast that's known for its quality production, yeah.
	But yeah, there was... newer listeners, there was a time, not so long ago, where my quality was really, really bad.
	Yeah, what I was saying, which may be blurred over your speaking, was I think with Jesse Armstrong, who writes Succession, that That Joe Barton is really good.
	And Joe Barton knows that I think he's great, but he's slightly embarrassed by it.
	He doesn't know what to think.
	On the one hand, he recognises that I'm quite a discerning critic, and it's quite nice to have me bigging him up.
	And at the same time, he thinks, but do I really want to be associated with somebody who is So weird and so far down the rubber hole.
	A bit, I think, like Mark Stein feels about me.
	Mark Stein still hasn't had me on his GB News show and I kind of think, why?
	You know, why is he consorting with Toby, not with me?
	Safe option.
	Yeah, it's like, it's safe, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I suppose maybe Mark feels that he's brave enough without needing to make things more difficult for himself by Anyway, yeah, Joe Barton.
	He's good.
	He's a good boy, isn't he?
	Clearly.
	So yeah, I've been enjoying that and the show that you'll probably be beyond the pale for you, Warrior Nun.
	If you dipped into that at all.
	That's such a silly... it just sounds like silly.
	It sounds silly, but so does... so does the good witches fighting the bad witches.
	No, only when you describe it like that.
	You deliberately described it in a way to make it sound the equal of Warrior Nun.
	And you know as well as I do that what you're about to tell me about Warrior Nun is you're going to tell me that, alright, so it is a bit of shit, but I quite like it.
	I only say it's a little bit shit because you would possibly hate it, but actually it's a lot better than it has any business being.
	Let's go with that.
	Tell me why I would hate it.
	it and that's what i would that's all the only bit i'm interested because it's kind of like buffy but possibly not in a good way but maybe in a good way Anyway, I enjoy it.
	It's kind of a good versus evil thing, and there's a secret order of, guess what, warrior nuns who are fighting the demons.
	Yeah, it's... I enjoy it.
	Do they believe in God, these nuns?
	Are they sort of Buddhist nuns?
	Yeah, well, all except for warrior nun herself, who...
	It's the hapless receiver of an angel's halo that's been embedded into her back and gives her all sorts of powers.
	Right.
	It's worth a look.
	You can hate it if you like, but at least give it a try.
	I think it's another Netflix thing.
	I'm not sure.
	Could be Amazon.
	Yeah.
	OK.
	Have you been watching... I talked about this with Tobe.
	Did you watch the SAS thing?
	Well, it's because it's BBC.
	I haven't got access to it.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it is quite good.
	It is quite good.
	It's one of those things I would definitely watch if I had BBC, but I don't, and so I'll wait until it appears in some form of accessible media.
	I'll tell you what it does quite well.
	Do you remember when we were kids and we kind of wanted to be in the SAS?
	We kind of thought that would be a good career option.
	What sensible child doesn't?
	Yeah, we thought it'd be cool.
	We like the berets, we'd have worn them well.
	We'd probably have passed, you know, obviously we'd have passed the selection test had we been asked to do it and then we'd have gone out there and we'd have just slotted lots of, you know, baddies that we'd have hidden in the desert whilst scorpions crawled over us but didn't sting us.
	And we'd have learned Arabic, probably, and other things, and, you know, buried our turds in the ground.
	You know, all the things we do in the edit.
	All the fun stuff.
	And then we'd have gone around in jeeps.
	Pink jeeps, probably.
	Yeah, pink panthers.
	Pink panthers.
	So we'd have done all this.
	And obviously, when we were in England, we'd have been involved in the Iranian embassy siege, had it been around when we were of age, which we weren't.
	But what What this SASS series conveys quite well is that these people were basically psychopaths and it was a really... I knew the word psychopath was going to be coming up.
	Unless you were a psychopath or seriously psychologically damaged in some way or other.
	Then you wouldn't really have fitted in.
	I know there'll be some viewers saying, well, you two would have been perfect for it.
	But actually, I'm not sure.
	There's a character I find particularly unpleasant, even though you sort of half-admire him, called Paddy Mayne, who was the two-eyed... No, he's well, very famous, isn't he?
	But he was a psychopath.
	No doubt about it, he really liked killing people.
	And I find it, now I, especially in this stage of my life, I find it really quite unpleasant.
	People who are into killing people, who are into violence.
	It just seems to me not a good thing, not an admirable attribute.
	And especially given that my view of World War II has changed completely, that I now consider it a sort of satanic blood sacrifice, which was staged by the elites in order to cull the brightest in both World Wars, designed to cull the brightest and best of our youth and to money launder designed to cull the brightest and best of our youth and to money launder and all the things that we know about the Backing both sides.
	...when we thought it was kind of...
	Yeah.
	When we said...
	Yeah, did you listen to that?
	There's no reason why you should have done that.
	I listened to this Ole Damoguard pod the other day, and he was talking on PASL about the Enigma machine.
	And he pointed out that the Enigma machine had been designed or created under the auspices of this Swedish family, which has got its fingers in every pie, the Wallenbergs.
	And among the many tech companies they owned was the one that made the Enigma Machine, which they made available to both sides.
	They played both sides.
	Which is not something that I've ever read in the history books, which reminds me yet again that everything we're taught about history is just a lie or a half-truth.
	But...
	After the war, I think, there was a trial in which this issue was raised, you know, how come you were sort of supplying information to the Nazis as well as to the goodies.
	And they were got off by two of the most evil men who've ever lived, the Dulles brothers, John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles.
	One founded the CIA and the other was heavily involved in the CIA.
	I think the US equivalent of Foreign Secretary or something.
	Yeah, Secretary of State.
	They were just evil incarnate lawyers.
	I repeat myself.
	While we're bringing that up, there's so much, all the stuff that we were told about World War II, particularly the stuff we were told in those films, those movies that were made in the immediate aftermath of the war, to make everyone feel good about having participated in it.
	You know, we were shown all this at our prep school, weren't we?
	They got out the gym mats and got out the projector and you'd watch Dunkirk, for example, with that marvellous score and that marvellous cast.
	And you'd think how poignant it was that we'd made this sacrifice and et cetera, et cetera.
	Now one looks at it and says, well, this was all part of the sign-up.
	Which is sad.
	Yeah.
	It's a biggie though, isn't it?
	Because if you think there's not that many who are on board with the moon landings fakery, it's an even more Rarified environment with those who are aware that the entirety of history is a lie, so it's sort of... Well, do you think it is?
	I don't know.
	I was trying to grade them in order... it's like how high up the pyramid of consciousness... I hate being a pyramid because of course the pyramid is the other side's thing, but...
	Okay, so you would think, okay, so where would you place, in order, World War Two was, the two world wars were a massive cabal, you know, satanic sacrifice, come money laundering, come power play scam.
	Evolution is a lie, and the moon landings were faked.
	Which do you think is the most difficult for people to stomach?
	Um, evolution's got to be a biggie.
	Because every child is taught it at school.
	I think Moon Landings is fairly tame compared to some of the others.
	Partly because it's a single one-off event.
	Although it is mankind's greatest achievement, supposedly.
	So it's a biggie.
	And the reason why you can't talk about it in terms of conspiracy theory is because If you debunk that one, everything else is available.
	So, it's hugely in their interest to keep a lid on it, because everyone will then turn around and say, well if they've lied about this, they've lied about everything, and the whole thing falls apart.
	I often talk to friends about Trying to find out that thing that will wake people up be it to the Vax or lockdowns or Covid or anything like that and I say it's a tapestry and you've got to find that one thread that if you pull that out everything else comes down and it might just be For them, a friend that got a heart condition immediately after getting their jab or something like that, and that for them will be that thread.
	It's going to be a different thread for everyone.
	But this is a pretty massive bloody thread.
	If you take out the moon landings, if it ever was exposed big time in a way that even the normies couldn't ignore, Everything, everything is up for grabs then, because mankind's biggest achievement in history never occurred.
	So that's why it's such a biggie.
	But World War II, it was so many different elements to it, and it was all over the world.
	So it's a case of, how do you take the whole thing down?
	How do you describe all of it as a PSYOP?
	It would be quite good, wouldn't it?
	I don't think there is a book out there, a sort of comprehensive, debunking, sort of counterfactual, about World War Two.
	I mean, you know, it's not going to be written by Max Hastings.
	It's not going to be written by Andrew Roberts.
	It's not going to be written by... This is why... What's-His-Face has got so much dick, hasn't it?
	I can't remember his name.
	Yes, I know, quite.
	I've got... I've got... No, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, absolutely not.
	OK.
	No, I'm not Norman Stone.
	The one who gets... The Holocaust-denying one.
	Why am I... Everyone's sitting at home going, you've got Alzheimer's.
	I have.
	I've got... Because I've been taking this... I've been collating my mercury.
	I can't remember... What's he called?
	He was the one who was taken down with the fake Hitler Diaries, wasn't he?
	No!
	That's so wrong.
	No, you're thinking... No.
	You're completely conflating two entirely separate issues.
	Right.
	Well, we can't think of either of their names, so we're not going to get there.
	No, we can.
	We can.
	It's very easy.
	It's... David Irving.
	David Irving.
	I thought he was... Oh, OK.
	He never believed in the Hitler Diaries, I don't think.
	Right.
	Oh, maybe he did.
	Is this when you apologise to me for telling me how stupid and wrong I am?
	Well, I'm going to... Hang on, hang on.
	Hitler Diaries.
	Hitler Diaries.
	This is gonna be great viewing for our dear listeners.
	You are the twat who is wrong.
	I'm wrong?
	You are the twat who is wrong.
	Am I?
	Right.
	I hate you.
	It was Hugh Trevor-opa.
	Was it?
	And that means I'm totally right.
	Right.
	This is my I am right song.
	Ha ha ha ha dick.
	At least I've made you happy.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	I'm right.
	I have won.
	I am the champion on my horse.
	Tra la la.
	How did they take David Irving down?
	Oh, OK.
	This is another rabbit hole.
	OK.
	This is one of the best rabbit holes.
	Because it's the rabbit hole that no one dares go down because the price you pay is so enormous.
	So David Irving was a really, really massively respected historian.
	Yeah, we touched on him last time, I think, didn't we, about, um, you've got people who say just he was, you know, on his, in his particular area of expertise.
	He was, he was, and he went, I think I mentioned, he went to work in a German steel factory.
	To learn German so he'd be capable of going through the archives, reading all the documents and finding out what was really what.
	And he did all this and he was rated massively until he came up with this research which demonstrated that the Holocaust was not as described by mainstream historians.
	That yes, obviously Jews were horribly mistreated and stuff and There were terrible incidents of Einsatzgruppen wiping them out.
	The complete narrative, the ones that are pushed by people like Steven Spielberg in films like Schindler's List or whatever, were fake news to a degree.
	I haven't, I've only read the intro he wrote describing the sort of how, so he went from totally respected historian to absolutely persona non grata and there were all these sort of effectively show trials designed to diminish him, make him look stupid and obviously the funding was not on David Irving's side, he was just a kind of an historian, you know, so he only had his sort of Proceeds from his book sales to go on.
	And on the other side, you had people like Deborah Lippstadt, I think, fought this famous libel case.
	It was a massive pylon.
	And so, if you support him now, you're basically a Nazi, and you hate Jews, and you wanted them all to die, and you're dancing on the graves.
	That's how it works.
	So, that's a very big one.
	how it works.
	So that's, that's, that's a very big one.
	I mean, that might even be a bigger rabbit hole than the, than, well, it's a different kind of rabbit hole, isn't it, than evolution.
	Because evolution is probably the most embedded...
	It's everywhere, isn't it?
	As a concept, it's... I was reading an article, a newspaper article today, and I can't remember what it was about, but it's... Everything you ever read takes it for granted that evolution is a thing, and that... Oh, no, no, it wasn't that.
	I was reading a book about breath.
	Have I talked about the Breath Book?
	No, no, you were about to at the Family Do and it was one of those things that was too deep a conversation to get into in a family gathering.
	Okay, Breath Book.
	Let's have a look.
	Breath.
	Okay, it is written by somebody called James Nestor.
	As in the butler in Tin Tin.
	Except he doesn't wear a sort of black and yellow stripy waistcoat.
	He's just a kind of American.
	But it is outrageously readable.
	It is more interesting than a book about breath has any right to be.
	And it will, when you read it, it will completely transform how you think about breathing and it will change your life because you will start adopting, you will start looking for ways of taking home some of the messages and bringing them into your life and you will get healthier.
	It's just extraordinary.
	And it's not just about breathing, it's also about teeth.
	You learn, for example, why our teeth are so fucked up.
	Why are my teeth crowded?
	It's not because I didn't go to a good orthodontist, it's actually quite the opposite.
	You realise that Orthodontistry is another rabbit hole.
	The entire medical system is just a lie.
	So, the cancer system is a lie.
	Orthodontistry is a lie.
	There's been a trial recently of this guy called Mike Mew.
	Mike Mew is an orthodontist who understands how it really works.
	He's got a completely different contraption he puts in your mouth, not braces.
	And he's being sued.
	It's one of those cases where the establishment tries to crush you for wrong think, because they don't want the truth to come out.
	I mean, they use the same playbook every time.
	Going back to When they sent a hit team, a BBC hit team, in association with Nobel Prize winner, well the people who created the Nobel Prize are some of the most evil people in the world.
	Because Sweden is the epicentre of evil.
	Right, that's another biggie.
	So, that's another rabbit hole.
	A recipient of the Nobel Prize created by the forces of darkness, in the pay of the Rockefeller Institute, comes round to my house with the BBC, which is a kind of MI6, MI5 operation, to do a hit job on me.
	Why?
	They want to destroy me because I'm saying inconvenient things about global warming.
	I'm not David Irving.
	I haven't suffered in the same way.
	But this is how they roll.
	You're an orthodontist.
	You've got this method that really works.
	It's really going to improve people's dental health.
	What happens?
	They fight a law case against you and try to get you struck off.
	Or, you're like Boyd Haley.
	Boyd Haley, you're the guy who discovers, or rediscovers, who confirms that amalgam fillings and mercury in injections are very likely the cause of Alzheimer's, of Parkinson's, and of childhood autism.
	What does the system do?
	You invent this cure, you invent the most effective way of chelating the mercury, which means clearing it out of your system.
	What do they do?
	The FDA, the Federal Food and Drug Administration, closes you down.
	Withdraws your ability to sell this product because, hey, what's not to like about 20 million Americans having Alzheimer's?
	Why wouldn't you want to continue that?
	Because there are products being produced by big pharma which alleviate their symptoms without curing them.
	And who wants a cure?
	The thing that springs to mind recently is the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin thing, and we found out that it was FTX that was funding the fake research that was saying how bad those were.
	That's something that unfolded and got debunked within a year, so that hasn't even had to ride out for very long, but we can see quite clearly the crookedness in that one.
	This is the thing.
	People like, I mean, imagine how I'd get, if I went to a spectator party now, I can imagine that people would feel very awkward talking to me.
	You'd be a pariah.
	Well, it would be like looking at me and sort of recognising that I look pretty much the same as I did when I was a normie.
	But at the same time, they'd be thinking, well, he's embraced all these weird ideas and he's just, he's just like completely lost all his credibility and it must, he must be feeling really embarrassed.
	And, and, and of course he doesn't, he barely gets published anymore.
	And, um, I remember how I was when I, when I, when I was, you know, in the mainstream And I used to think that, I've said this before, that maybe one of the conspiracy theories out there, I didn't know which one, but one of them might have some truth in it, but the rest are all nonsense designed by... Possibly Kennedy, or something like that.
	Kennedy assassination.
	Yeah, there might be something in that one.
	Which is really the foothills of conspiracy theory, isn't it?
	It's kind of like a walk in the park compared to some of the biggies.
	If it were Kilimanjaro, I think it would be, there's a sort of desert at about 14,000 feet, and the peak is 19,000 feet, you know, the scramble up the scree.
	So yeah, you're right, you're at the, where you're sort of, not even your final camp before the assault, but yeah.
	But once you realise that everything really does connect because it's organised by the same people and, you know, the same baddies.
	It's not the Jews.
	I don't think it's as simple as that.
	It's much more complicated.
	You covered that in your Stroud talk, I think, quite well.
	People need to look into the black liberty, if they dare.
	That's extraordinary.
	But you know what?
	People can only take as much as they are able to take on.
	And you can't leapfrog minor conspiracy theories.
	You've got to take them on board and accept them before you can move on to the bigger ones.
	So it's sort of a... There's no point in exposing the whole lot to a normie.
	You've got to take it at your own pace.
	I'm a few behind you.
	You know, it's sort of a...
	I can completely see why people might think you're going mad, because it does seem utterly bonkers.
	That's where we're at.
	Back to the Christian thing again.
	I know what Christians look like to normies, to people who aren't on board with it.
	Treat them with kid gloves because they're slightly special and they're a little bit weird and smiley.
	Slightly embarrassing.
	Yes, because they believe in the big sky fairy.
	I wonder who invented that phrase?
	Well, all the stuff that makes Christians look lame is the work of the other side, obviously.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	But I wonder who... in the same way that there was that famous CIA...
	Briefing document which was sent out to all the station chiefs about using the phrase conspiracy theory to get rid of, to marginalise people who questioned the Kennedy assassination.
	In the same way, somebody must have, the hive mind, somebody must have given the hive mind this, there must have been a first person to use that phrase and I wonder who it was.
	They've probably got a whole department seeding ideas like this, you know.
	They sit round a table, a bit like a creative agency, and they'll just sort of blue skies thinking and spitballing ideas of phrases that they can insert into everyday language.
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	So, is there any other business?
	There isn't, because we could go on to my milk thing, but that's a massive can of worms.
	I did a milk tweet recently about semi-skimmed milk.
	No!
	No, you shouldn't!
	I can tell you my story as well.
	I think the tweet was something along the lines of, there's no point trying to convince people that everything they know is a lie if they're still drinking semi-skimmed milk.
	Because they don't understand why they're drinking semi-skimmed milk.
	They think they're doing it because they like the taste.
	They think they're doing it because they reckon it's better for you.
	And the amount of people who are coming on saying, well, actually, I'm very awake and I know all about the conspiracy theories, but I like semi-skimmed milk.
	And it's sort of... Yeah.
	You know, this is kind of proving my point.
	You only like it because you don't like the taste of whole milk, because it just tastes too milky.
	So I want... I like the taste of milk, but I like it to be really mild, like mild cheddar.
	It's... Like water.
	Where do you start?
	If you can't even win the milk argument, then you're not going to convince someone that World War II is a lie.
	So, it's another one of those things, it's all part of the same bigger picture, but it's an interesting little... it's almost a comical aside, isn't it?
	You do realise milk is a lie.
	So, yeah, that's why I'm at with it.
	Can I tell you a story that will support your point?
	If you go to the service station on the M25, on the southbound, on the way to Gatwick, and you go to the Lyon counter, there is a woman, I think she's possibly Scandinavian, she's got some tattoos on her arm, And quite skinny.
	And anyway, so I went in there to get a flat white, and daughter ordered a skinny flat white.
	Daughter ordered it first, and I said, and I'll have a normal flat white.
	And the woman smiled at me and said, I really like the way you said normal.
	And I said, well, I mean, semi-skim milk isn't even milk, is it?
	And she said, no, it's water, basically.
	And she said, I totally agree with you.
	And then we got into a conversation about how, you know, to do with mucking with God's creation and stuff like that.
	And I thought, this is a woman who probably a few years ago would have loathed me and everything I stood for.
	And the unlikely bonds one forms with people, these chance conversations about things like that.
	The other thing, Um, do you remember Two Fat Ladies?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the cookery, the cookery series.
	Of course.
	So, Clarissa Dixon Wright, um, so I was, I became friends with, with Clarissa and I remember, um, Vividly, her sounding off to me against semi-skim milk, saying that it's pointless because if you have not got the full fat you do not properly absorb the calcium.
	These things were designed in a particular way.
	They were meant to be Unadulterated, meant to be ideally unpasteurized.
	That's the thing I'm going to get hold of next.
	I've discovered this local supplier of unpasteurized milk, which is so much nicer.
	Homogenization as well, apparently, is a big no-no.
	It breaks down the fat particles to the point where you don't retain them in the right way.
	Because something like the molecules become too small.
	So, everything they do to milk... Are these nanoparticles?
	I don't know if it's nanoparticles, but it's... Probably.
	Probably.
	The way that milk is presented to us, it might as well just be opaque water.
	So, you know, even... I ended up doing a meme, and it was, you know, the good, better, best thing, the brain with a few sparks going on.
	Yes.
	Skimmed milk, semi-skimmed, whole milk, and then the last one, of course, is raw milk, which is the holy grail, really.
	Of course, every now and again, it's probably going to give you the shits, terribly, but milk, who would know?
	It's another rabbit hole.
	That was one of the amazing... I get given such lovely presents by my fans.
	One of them was this raw milk from this producer, from a micro dairy near Stroud.
	Because it's good for that kind of thing, Stroud.
	Yeah, I mean there's some of these machines at farms where you can access, at the very least, Partially pasteurized or something like that or I think there's a phrase lightly pasteurized or something like that, but You get closer to the farmer that you're gonna get better and better milk, you know move further away from the supermarket Yes.
	Someone picked up on my thread on Twitter and they're sending me a book.
	He's got Doctor in his name and he's sending me a book on nutrition.
	He said, Dick, you're completely right about this.
	People think that low-fat and no-fat foods are going to make you thinner when in fact they do the opposite and they're really bad for you.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Did you see the other breakthrough?
	The problem is I didn't retweet it or whatever one's meant to do to make sure that one has it in one's sort of library.
	But the Bear Grylls interview.
	No.
	Do you see this?
	No.
	Louis Theroux did this interview with Bear Grylls and interviewed him on his his private island.
	You know, he's got this island.
	I think it's in Wales.
	Yeah, where the water slides into the water for his kids and things like that.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	It looks like it's not in Wales.
	It looks like it ought to be in Scotland.
	But anyway, I think it might be Scotland, actually.
	Oh, is it?
	Possibly, I don't know.
	So, midges, I don't know.
	You wouldn't want that, would you?
	But, that is my proudest Twitter follower, by the way.
	The fact that Bear Grylls follows me on Twitter.
	Well, finish the story, because I want to know whether he's a good'un or a bad'un.
	Oh, is he?
	Oh, he's totally a good'un, dear.
	Otherwise I wouldn't be saying I'm proud of him.
	Yeah.
	So, in the course of this interview, he says how he used to be a vegan.
	But these days, he hardly ever eats vegetables or fruit, and basically only eats meat.
	Like a proper bear.
	When he was a vegan, he used to fart all the time.
	And now he doesn't fart at all.
	And Louis Theroux says, well, you know, what's wrong with a fart now and again?
	And he says, well, what do you think it says about your gut health if you're farting all the time?
	And somebody excerpted this particular comment and said, you know, this is going to turn millions of people into carnivores.
	I think it's probably right.
	I mean, I've been seriously thinking of cutting fruit and veg out of my life.
	I mean, the problem is that the shit we get from our wives wouldn't be worth it.
	But nevertheless, We've got a friend in our group, in one of the WhatsApp groups, who is a dedicated carnivore and he absolutely swears by it now.
	You know, even when he comes to a restaurant and it's steak and chips, he says, yeah, but ditch the chips and hardly cook the steak.
	You know, he's virtually... Can I guess what his first name is?
	Go on.
	Is it Tyrannosaurus?
	No.
	It's not, but I shall call him that from now on.
	Do you know how I know it isn't?
	His first name isn't Tyrannosaurus.
	How's that?
	Because dinosaurs didn't exist.
	Which of course is the rabbit hole that upsets lots of people.
	Yeah, because everyone loves dinosaurs.
	Yeah.
	And why do they love dinosaurs?
	For the same reason that they prefer semi-skinned milk.
	Yeah.
	And for the same reason that they know that evolution is real because Darwin is a hero.
	I've got dinosaur socks on today, that's a confession.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I like them as a concept, I mean, you know.
	Do you know who you love and who you want to have sex with?
	David Attenborough?
	No, yeah, him as well, probably.
	Who?
	Barney, Barney the Dinosaur.
	You, you do.
	You think, you think he's kind of sexy and you fancy him and you think he's good to rip, have around children.
	Don't you?
	I think we should probably wrap it up now.
	Can I tell you, I really hate, I've always hated, even my normal days, I hated, I've always hated Barnaby, Barnaby.
	Well of course you hate him, he's vile.
	I hate him.
	He's horrible.
	He's not even lovable, he's kind of the Mr Blobby of American kids characters.
	He's just, there's no redeeming qualities there at all.
	He's horrible.
	Did you, did you like Bungle?
	No.
	Scary.
	No.
	And freakish.
	Do you think Bungle was... I mean, we know that Barney is a pedo.
	Do you think Bungle was basically a nonce as well?
	Definitely.
	Some kind.
	And I think Zippy knew about it.
	I think he was.
	Yes.
	I think Zippy knew a heck of a lot more than he was letting on.
	Well, yeah, he kept... Well, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I think on that bombshell we should leave it.
	I think we've covered all the bases.
	Good.
	I'm going to be seeing you in London soon, aren't I?
	Yeah, you are.
	Yeah.
	I forgot to do the thing that I was meant to do at the beginning.
	Somebody said to me at my patron's lunch that I had the other day that you couldn't come and see me.
	Which I couldn't make.
	No, because it's on a Wednesday or something.
	Because I'm a normie.
	It's Thursday.
	Yeah.
	Which is, look, what I've noticed is that people try and support me financially, which is my sole source of income now.
	Um, And what they find is that the system, their bank will tell them that it's a dodgy account.
	I get this time and again, that people say, I tried to sign up for your thing and I couldn't, my bank wouldn't let me or the pay servicing system wouldn't let me or whatever.
	So I would say, look, please make the effort, because it's really bloody annoying.
	If you don't manage to support me some way, you will make Bill Gates really, really happy.
	I mean, he'll probably have a...
	Bill Gates would probably knock one off, in celebration of the fact.
	Probably he'll do it over Barnaby the Dinosaur.
	Think about that.
	Think about Bill Gates masturbating over Barnaby the Dinosaur.
	Or worse, actually.
	Or, who else do we say?
	Klaus Schwab would probably have one.
	With Bungle looking in through the window in the background.
	Yeah.
	If you think it's a good idea to sexually satisfy Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and who else do we hate, Dick?
	Um, Soros.
	Who might be dead.
	What?
	So, yeah.
	Like you haven't given us enough gems.
	The late George Soros, possibly.
	This is going to become unbroadcastable after a bit.
	So, all these people, if you want them to be sexually aroused or worse, then fine, continue not supporting me.
	But if you want to do your bit for truth and beauty and so on, then please find a way of supporting me and keep persisting until you can get your payment through on Subscribestar, on Locals, Substack or...
	What I didn't mention.
	Subscribe, Star, Patreon.
	Patreon, I think was the one I didn't mention.
	So please, please do.
	Because it is definitely becoming harder and harder for me to do my stuff.
	This is true.
	They're closing in on us.
	And I might give the old, you know, fiver to Dick, as well.
	Oh, that'll be nice.
	If he's looking particularly... Buy me a coffee.
	If he's looking particularly... Yeah.
	If Dick's looking particularly pathetic and bedraggled that day, I will probably... I will buy him a flat white.
	It keeps me in the crosshatch, which is looking very... Yeah.
	So, please, please do.
	Seriously.
	Don't hold back from supporting me.
	Thanks very much, Dick.
	That was great, I think.
	OK, well, we'll talk again sooner rather than later, because we don't talk enough.
	We don't.
	We're both busy saving the world.
	OK, good.
	All right.
	Bye-bye, brother.
	Bye-bye, listeners, viewers.
	Bye-bye.

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