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Aug. 7, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Welcome to The Telling Pod with me, James Telling Pod.
	I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
	I've been trying to get here for some time.
	It's Oluwadamagord.
	Olu, I've seen a number of your podcasts, and they range from podcasts for people who've never heard of you, to people who are familiar with your work, and this is going to fit into the former category.
	I reckon lots of my listeners need to be introduced to you, which seems to me crazy, because you've been touring around the world and talking on your special area for years, haven't you?
	It's 40 years now.
	40 years!
	No, no, okay.
	I want to tell you a story.
	A few years ago, I appeared for the first time on the Alex Jones Show, and I was talking about... I was on to the whole climate change scam, and I'd written the books about it, so I was a kind of go-to expert.
	And I went on his show, And he kept talking about false flags, and I was thinking, well, I mean, you're just a crazy, everyone, you know, this is, I know this is the sort of thing that you crazy conspiracy theorists talk about, but false flags make no sense to me, because why would governments, which care about their people, why would they, why would they endanger the lives of the public?
	What would be the motivation?
	I've changed since then, but I think there's going to be lots of people who are going to be explaining to them about how the world really works.
	And maybe you can tell me first of all about your journey, because you are maybe the world's greatest expert on, from our side anyway, on false flag operations, aren't you?
	I don't know.
	That's what they say.
	How did it come about?
	I mean, what were you doing before you went down this rabbit hole?
	Were you just an ordinary person?
	Or were you always?
	I tell you, it depends on what level we're talking, because one of my first jobs was as a journalist.
	And that was the thing that, I mean, I got dragged into it because I was curious and also because I've been very confused about what's going on because I've always had a feeling that somebody is manipulating me.
	They're not telling me the truth.
	There's something bizarre here.
	And James, I just want to say before we continue, it feels like there's an echo.
	Oh, does it?
	Oh, that's not good.
	I'm sitting outside because the hotel... It's the echo of my voice, so it seems like that's coming out somewhere.
	And your sound is a bit distorted, so I just don't know if you want to do...
	I don't know, Ollie.
	I'm famous for my terrible production quality, and it's not deliberate.
	It's just that I've got really shit internet in my home in the country, and I've now fled to the garden of a hotel.
	I'm sort of just hoping that... I can't hear the echo.
	Yeah, but in that case, let's hope it's good.
	It's gone now, by the way.
	Okay.
	No, it's weak.
	It doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so... So...
	I just have to listen to myself twice here.
	Oh, that's annoying.
	But not only did I come as a journalist, but also I was dragged into the world of so-called false flag operation and top political assassinations.
	It was the top political assassinations that really got me interested, starting with JFK, Then getting into Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, I mean so many Malcolm X.
	of these individuals.
	And it was while putting thousands of hours into these things that I started seeing a very clear pattern of how they were actually carried out.
	And this started getting me into an understanding that we're seeing things that are being controlled from a very high level, or low level, depending on where you want to come and see it from.
	And that the things that are happening on a street level is just for the audience, us, but very often the real theatre or the real power game is going on behind closed doors, behind the sheets, pulling the strings for us to really understand what's going on.
	Really beautiful people that are standing up, that are understanding what's actually going on, that have been standing up.
	These are the people that have been terminated in a very brutal way, one after the other.
	So... That's a lot for... I mean, I'm totally on board with this, but that is a lot for normies to swallow, isn't it?
	I use the normies as a term of convenience.
	I mean, you know, it seems to be the handy word that people use.
	I don't mean to insult them, but...
	So, people who don't have your insights would say, well, you're saying that every major political death that we've heard of, JFK, Martin Luther King, presumably Olaf Palmer was another of these, Bob Marley even,
	That all these people, their deaths were not by lone gunmen or by cancer or whatever.
	They were all targeted assassinations.
	And there I want to say, please forget the word all.
	I have put in thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of hours into each case before I have said anything.
	I've been traveling on my own to the US, to England, I've been tracking down before the internet, I've been sleeping in dusty archives and Looking at microfilms and all of these things.
	My journey started in 1980.
	And I had absolutely no idea what I was getting myself into.
	I had no idea they were connected.
	I had no idea what was behind them.
	I believed the official story.
	It was just that I got very confused because it didn't make any sense.
	She started really digging into it.
	It was like, this is just not correct.
	I mean, that is not possible.
	And so on.
	And so I've been Going around the world, I've been also touring in 15 countries now.
	I've been one of the speakers in Dallas at the JFK assassination conference three times.
	I mean, you don't get invited there if you don't know what you're talking about, I would say.
	I'm close friends with E. Howard Hunt, one of the CIA brains behind the JFK assassination.
	His son, St.
	John, and I are good friends.
	I'm a close friend with Leigh Hart Oswald's mistress, who was Judith Barry Baker.
	I'm a close friend with the babushka lady who was standing right next to the limo when he was assassinated.
	I was once given a donation by the guy who fired the final headshot, James Files, from behind the picket fence, because he is also nowadays trying to back the Jews from coming out there.
	So I don't say these things lightly.
	I am saying that I have put my life on the line.
	I have put everything in this thing.
	We've had people murdered around us.
	We changed country twice.
	I've put my family in danger with these things.
	I had multiple death threats.
	So I'm not saying this just like I have a theory.
	I say And I'm not trying to persuade anyone.
	Based on all of these years and my being such a geek in this area.
	I mean, like, I don't know the letter combination I have, but I'm sure it spells to rain man or something like this in this area.
	Yeah.
	What I have found is that when it comes to these political assassinations that I mentioned, JFK, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, these are directly connected.
	The same individuals being part of planning and also on the street level, many of them were part of more than one.
	These people were also behind the death of Che Guevara or many, many other politicians around the world, where they were being sent by the CIA as assassins to take care of businesses.
	A small little group that were traveling around, and this is why I've been bumping into the same individuals over and over and over again, and also become friends with some of these former assassins.
	That have opened up their world to me, explaining this is how it's done.
	This is how we do it.
	And so I've been able to get confirmation from the inside that I've been on the right track.
	So this is why I'm saying this is not just a theory I'm throwing out here and there and whatever just because I feel like hearing my own voice.
	Not at all.
	I'm saying there are some major traumas in the world, emotional traumas that have been hitting the West, especially the Western world, but that have had effects all over the world through these deaths.
	The world would have looked very, very different, I believe, had, for instance, J.F. K. been left alone, had his brother, Robert Kennedy, be allowed to be elected president.
	that he would have elected Martin Luther King as vice president.
	Imagine what that would have looked like.
	No Vietnam War, no 9-11, no all of these following wars that have come and have been planned and carried out by the same forces that assassinated these individuals to get into a position of total power where they could carry these things out.
	So it's up to you.
	I challenge you.
	Ask me anything you want in this area, including the color of JFK's underpants when he was shot dead.
	And I am very rarely being corrected.
	If I say something that is wrong, I stand by it.
	I would be corrected right away.
	But in this area, I have put all of my soul and heart into finding out what's going on with the intention of Being able to be part of creating balance and harmony in this world.
	But to do that, we have to see what is the problem.
	Who are messing with us?
	It's like in a schoolyard, there's one bully that is hiding behind the wall, waiting to beat you up when you don't see what's coming your way.
	I'm saying, let's make this world transparent.
	Pull the curtain of the Wizard of Oz and see who's actually behind all of these things.
	Because they are behind a lot.
	Okay, there's lots of different angles we could take on this.
	But yeah, let's ask you.
	Who is giving the orders here?
	Quibono?
	That is a really, really good question and it depends on what level you want to see it.
	In what case are you talking about?
	Okay, well... Are you talking on a general scale?
	Yeah, well, you've named several prominent figures who've been assassinated from different places in the political divide.
	But, as I understand it, they all connect.
	There is a fairly small body of assassins that specialise in this thing, and they're getting orders from whom?
	The assassins don't know who, where the orders are coming from.
	These operations are totally compartmentalized on a need-to-know basis.
	The assassins only know target, blue shirt, arriving 12.15, this location, take out, or he's wearing a... They don't even know who the person is.
	They have no interest They are very, very careful asking questions because the more they know, the bigger the chances that they're being taken out as well.
	So they keep themselves very low in the background, just do their job, boom, in, out.
	And so very often you have triangular fire, you have, if there is a shooter, if we're talking rifles, there would be a spotter, possibly a breakdown guy in each team.
	And then they try the fire, but with a Patsy prepared, somebody that is going to go down for the crime, to take the blame for it, where they have been preparing evidence, they have been preparing everything to nail this individual.
	And then in these operations also you have the investigation is totally in on the crime.
	Their job is to cover it up and point towards the patsies.
	And also these investigations, totally controlled, are also followed by commissions controlled there to convince us, should we not believe the official story of absolute lies.
	So if we don't buy into it, after one year, two years, they will say,
	Well, we will appoint this commission, the Truth and Reconciliation, whatever, they love these fancy names, and these individuals that are mostly always Freemasons, that have been in this network before, will then come in and say, we are really going to look into this, but what they actually do is sitting behind closed doors, smoking cigars, throwing darts, playing with a belly button of prostitutes or whatever, making time pass by,
	And then after a year or so, they will step forward and say, here is like 1,500 pages of absolute nonsense that would make no sense, but it's so deadly boring, written and without an index, so you can look for whatever and you won't find anything because there's nothing real of value in it.
	But that would take care of most people saying, okay, okay, thank God you looked into it.
	And if we don't believe that commission, it will be followed by another and another.
	In the Olof Palme case you just mentioned, there were four different commissions.
	Four different commissions.
	And we're still at stage zero when it comes to that assassination, if you want to believe the official story.
	They still don't know who have done it.
	I've written a book, almost a thousand pages.
	It's called Coup d'Etat in slow motion.
	I've named every single one of the All of it is there.
	I've sent it to them.
	I mean, from the official point of view, it's just silence, silence, silence.
	So given that there is this massive industry in covering up these assassinations, how do you get to the truth?
	But it's not massive.
	It's not a massive industry.
	It's a small little unit that is moving around.
	Lyndon Johnson called it Murder Incorporated.
	It went under the name of Operation 40 at the time of the assassination of JFK.
	For instance, I'm a friend of Former hitman, the head of the super secret hit team Pegasus, his name is Chip Tatum, he's a CIA whistleblower and also the private pilot for all presidents from Nixon up to George Bush Senior.
	Where he's been flying all of these high individuals into many different areas.
	But he was part of taking out 14 people as his job as commander of this hit team, Pegasus.
	And what he has explained is that the world of Assassins, on that high level, very, very small.
	Because it takes a very, very specific type of individual to be able to be able to work under that pressure to keep the cool and also to be able to keep quiet because you know some people they like to brag afterwards or they they've got problems with drinking or and you cannot have that that's why this the group is very small people that don't fit in they get eliminated themselves are they
	are they psychopaths there when i asked chip this question when it comes to assassins and he said there are three groups There's one group that believes in what they're doing.
	He said for freedom and democracy.
	He said that usually wears out very quickly.
	Because it doesn't take long before they start seeing, holy crap, something is bizarre.
	This has nothing to do with what I've been told.
	This is a matter of me killing people for their greed.
	Okay, so that's group number one.
	Then group number two are people that know what they're doing is wrong, but they're in it for the money.
	It's big money, and they like the lifestyle, and they're very disciplined and good at it.
	And then he said, the third group are what he called dead eyes.
	And he said, these are the scary individuals.
	These are souls that have been so tormented and destroyed through whatever, or bone sacrifice, that they have gone cold.
	They are ice cold.
	There's no empathy.
	There's no consideration for any living thing.
	They can cut you in pieces, small pieces, you screaming.
	It's not, it's like he said, dead eyes.
	They are not there.
	And he believes, I asked him, are these individuals beyond help?
	Can you reach them?
	He said, these ones.
	And he said, they are the most efficient because they are super cold, they are fearless and they're perfect when it comes to this killing field business.
	Right, yeah.
	I've listened to the Kay Griggs testimony about her ex-husband, and I get the impression that a lot of these people are groomed from a very early age.
	They've come from damaged backgrounds, often they've lost parents, they've had childhood trauma, and then they sort of get encouraged to see the military as their new family, and they gradually get steered in that direction.
	Is that quite common?
	Some of them are broken down by their own families.
	It's just like some mob families, where they want to prepare their sons and so on to be able to take over the empire.
	They need to be ruthless, so they break them down.
	They really destroy their emotional body and their whole sense of of normal human values so that they can be hard enough to control the empire and take over.
	So it's the same with many of these people coming from the military-industrial complex or families like her husband and so on, where either they've been destroyed through sexual Stuff that is really bizarre and very dark stuff through rituals and so on.
	To break them in so that they can function in this world are, well, the exact opposite of what we are.
	I mean, I really like the guy with the beard up in the sky, you know, standing for good, compassion, forgiveness, wonderful love, all of the... These individuals are in this world, in this matrix we're living in, stands for the other duality.
	And I tell you, they worship the guy who's down below who likes a really hot climate and who's wearing cords.
	Well, they do actively.
	They participate in rituals and stuff.
	There's that part of the deal.
	On certain levels, yes, unfortunately that is.
	And I've met many people that have been victimized by this thing.
	I've been helping a lot of people, also victims from different satanic rituals and stuff.
	Things where I just feel, is this even possible?
	It's been very hard for me to grasp that this is real.
	It seems very much like it.
	And this is often from families on what is considered quite high level in society, that that is where this occurs mostly.
	It's not on a sort of like street level for so-called normal people.
	It's in different areas.
	There are so many high-level assassinations we should talk about, but something like Kennedy is going to require two whole podcasts.
	Can you just give me the short version of Olof Palme?
	A friend of mine from university made the mistake of going to Norway around that time And he ended up being arrested by the police as a suspect and he had a crazy time.
	So it's stuck in my memory.
	Was Olaf Palm a good guy who was doing things against the interests of the Deep State?
	Why was he killed and on whose orders?
	James, this assassination, alleged assassination, is, if you think JFK needs like two hours, this one requires six.
	I'd be happy to do it, I'd be happy to do it, but it's a mind-blowing story.
	Mind-blowing.
	I'll be happy to do it, but that specific one, I normally need four or five hours.
	Okay, we won't do that one then.
	We won't do that one.
	Because there's so much I want to cover.
	I mean, there's so many questions I want to ask you.
	For example, I mentioned Bob Marley earlier.
	I had had no idea that Bob Marley was potentially a victim of an assassination.
	Where are you on Bob Marley?
	Unfortunately, I mean, beautiful guy.
	I even saw him once live.
	The thing was that he became a very, very dangerous political individual.
	He had a white father, a black mother.
	He never really fitted in anywhere, so he was sort of in both worlds at the same time.
	And through his music, he started reaching also white people.
	And so it wasn't only Rastafari Jamaicans and these type of individuals.
	It started spreading in the West in a way that the world had never seen before.
	And then he became extremely popular in Africa as well, which was a major problem.
	He even had a girlfriend that was a beauty queen down there and he made concerts that was like unbelievable in Africa.
	So the whole of Africa was starting to bubble and standing to like Becoming like, we're gonna stand up for our rights.
	We're gonna, you know, this is not okay what's been going on for such a long time in our countries.
	We're gonna take the power back.
	Bad news, bad news, bad news for the people behind the curtains pulling the strings.
	So Bob was becoming a major, major, major threat.
	And he really proved himself on Jamaica.
	There was a stage of almost civil war because the CIA had gone in and tried to destabilize Jamaica like they did in so many other countries like South America and so on with military coups.
	Here they were trying to To pump, you know, lots of weapons into that right-wing extremist parties and so on to get the whole thing going.
	Because the name of the game for them?
	War, Death and Destruction.
	And in the middle of this was Bob Marley.
	And Bob Marley at one concert managed to get the two opposite political parties up on stage and join hands on stage.
	It was unheard of.
	And I mean, these two people from the party, they didn't even know what was going to happen.
	But he managed to become the symbol of uniting that whole.
	So after that, there's somebody was freaking out.
	You know, I would very strongly point towards the agency starting with C and in the middle of A and in the end of A. Yeah.
	Freaking out and saying, Oh my God, we need to do something about it.
	So they sent in a hit team to Jamaica and Bob and his wife and his, I think it was his producer, were in the kitchen of his house when suddenly the door was knocked in and four people started shooting, you know, spraying bullets into the whole thing.
	I believe that his wife, she was hit six times, five or six times.
	No, not true.
	His producer was hit five times, I believe.
	Ruth was hit once in the back of the head, but survived.
	And he had a bullet that almost hit him in the arm.
	Maybe one that touched very closely to his arm.
	It's been a long time since I looked into this case, but he got wounded, but nothing serious.
	After that, he still got back.
	He went up on stage and the whole thing just, he just showed, I'm not backing down.
	I'm in it for the long run.
	I will do it until I will stop breathing.
	So once again, freak out in the corridors in Langley and so on.
	So what happened was that A documentary maker, an American documentary maker, approached Bob after this attack and he was surrounded by bodyguards at that time.
	They didn't let anyone in.
	But this guy said, please, I've been following him for such a long time.
	I so admire him.
	I really want to make a documentary showing his, you know, what he stands for.
	So they asked Bob, do you want to see him?
	And Bob said, yeah, bring him in.
	And when this meeting took place, there was a photographer.
	His name was Lai Lai, I think.
	An Asian named Lai Lai.
	I think a prize award winning photographer was there.
	And so they let this documentary maker in and Bob, who loved jeans, he was really very much into soccer, football, he loved jeans and he loved American cowboy boots.
	And so this film producer said, I know of your interest, so I brought a little gift for you.
	So he brought these beautiful boots to you.
	And according to the photographer, Lyle Lyle, that I was in touch with many years ago, He said that when Bob pulled on one of these boots, he just screamed out, wow!
	And then when he took it off again, there was a piece of copper wire that was stuck inside the boot and it had punctured his big toe on, I think it was on the left hand foot, the left foot.
	And this is later where he developed cancer and that cancer later developed into what became his death in Germany.
	He went to treatment there and according to his mother, he went to absolute hell.
	They were torturing, they were doing all kinds of horrific stuff to this beautiful soul that in the end died.
	But so the big question is, who brought in these boots?
	Who was this guy?
	And his name was Peter Colby, the son, documentary maker Peter Colby, the son of William Colby, the former director of the CIA.
	What are the chances?
	What are the chances that that I'm not saying that he was aware of it, maybe, but he was the one delivering the boots to Bob.
	This could very well be that they used him to deliver these boots.
	I don't know.
	I'm not pointing at him directly, but I'm saying that his death came through these boots.
	This raises another question which I think is important to talk about, particularly for the benefit of the deeply sceptical.
	Which is, am I right in thinking that, as well as obvious methods like bullets, these assassins have the power to use to give people cancer, fatal terminal cancer very quickly, to give them heart attacks, to give them, and also another one I've noticed, People who seem to commit suicide in their hotel rooms, you know, using bath towels.
	I mean, for example, um, that guy, the food guy, what's he called?
	Um... Um... Oh, what's he called?
	Anthony Bourdain.
	Do you know about this one?
	I mean there's so many of them there's so so many of them and suicide is a favorite.
	So how do they do that?
	Because I mean how because surely if you were going to be suicided you would you would wriggle a lot and you would you there would be signs of a fight you know you know I mean if you if you just commit suicide yourself you're calm well you're you're you know you're in control Whereas if they're killing you, surely there's going to be skin tissue under your nails, you're going to fight.
	How does it work?
	It's very simple.
	What you do, what they do, is that they choose a location where the chief of police is a freemason that they've got in their back pocket by the balls.
	So the investigation that will look into this case will make sure that it will be pointing in a certain direction.
	We're talking about hand-picked people.
	I'm not saying all police are corrupt.
	Absolutely not.
	I'm not saying the FBI is corrupt on the whole.
	Absolutely not.
	But you have the CIA.
	Absolutely not.
	There are hardcore, very raw elements inside these organizations that takes care of these wet operations, as they're called, or terminate.
	I mean, they terminate people.
	It's just another day at the office when it comes to these type of things.
	It's a problem solved when this individual don't breathe anymore.
	So there are different ways of doing it.
	You've got hit and run.
	That's a good one.
	Because boom, boom, oh my God, he got killed.
	Then you have suicide.
	I mean, so many people have been suicided and then it's been labeled suicide, but it's actually suicide dead.
	I can mention so many of them.
	Where the thing is, not only do you need to be in charge of the investigation, which is quite easy for them, but also the coroner.
	The coroner and the judge, if there is a case.
	So it's just a matter to the network of Freemasons that they handpick people and specific police districts
	is where they keep carrying these things out they will often be the same location will be used more than once so the same police district will be used if needed again and again so that they know for sure that it will be the same coroner that will be the same chief of police that will be the same lawyer that it will be the same judge that would this is what I specialize is in finding these patterns like Oh my God, here he is again.
	Oh my God, here he is again.
	He's a coroner there.
	He's in a commission there.
	He's the judge is there.
	He's the father-in-law of that lawyer in that, you know, it's like these connections and then there's an illusion All the real investigation going on.
	But actually, it's a cover up.
	And if it's a suicide, it's not even taken up as you don't even look into it as a crime, because it was a suicide.
	So very often these individuals that are suicided are then cremated within a few days.
	What happened?
	Oh, yeah, I'm very sorry.
	We shouldn't have burned him, but we did.
	So good luck with that one.
	And then it's case closed.
	Thank you and goodbye.
	You've mentioned the Freemasons a few times and I think I know lots of Freemasons.
	Members of my family are Freemasons and it's a kind of, it's a sort of slightly boring in my view social club where you have to learn lots of ritual and you have to have, drink sort of cheap wine on ladies nights and you have to do toasts and incredibly boring.
	But there comes a point, doesn't there, where it sort of enters a domain of evil.
	When does that happen?
	I mean, I've heard about the 33rd degree is when you're told about the Luciferian nature of the project.
	But are you saying that lower down the hierarchy, I mean, way below the 33rd degree, there are people who are so loyal to Freemasonry that they will Their loyalty is to them rather than the truth or to the sanctity of life or whatever.
	I'm saying at a lower level there's a reason for all of these degrees.
	Because on the lower levels you've got beautiful individuals who are part of a brotherhood.
	They love helping each other, taking care of each other.
	They're standing for all the good stuff.
	They're doing charity work.
	They're doing all of these things that are beautiful.
	And if you ask these individuals, they will swear by it that the Freemasons are the best thing that ever happened to them.
	And I agree.
	But then you get higher up and higher up and there are these different rituals that will take you higher up or not.
	Certain people may never get below the third, fourth, fifth grade.
	The reason why maybe I would suggest that they're not going to buy into the higher up Agenda.
	Because the higher up you get, it's starting getting dark.
	It's getting darker and darker.
	And it's also more and more where your loyalty are being tested, the loyalty towards them, to the Brotherhood.
	That is why in these rituals they had, if I say anything about this, it's my MIA.
	Guts will be cut out, thrown over the left shoulder.
	My eyes will be punctuated with a sword.
	All of these type of things.
	It's like, if you say anything, this is what will happen.
	So on a higher and higher and higher level, you're starting to get into a very dark and sinister world.
	But it's also there where they pull the strings.
	And also many of them are being corrupted without Knowing that they were going into this ambush, you know, because once you, for instance, in some of these rituals, they had to lie down in a casket, sometimes naked, and shout out things, their deepest secrets.
	You got people standing around, I bet you some with a tape recorder, a camera, a little notebook, like that.
	Okay, so that's what you, okay, and this, and this, and this, whatever they say there, Can and will be used against them in a situation where their loyalty is needed for something.
	And once you corrupted yourself and said, okay, I will do this, then they got you in a tighter grip.
	So many of these people are in a situation where they cannot get out.
	And then It just gets really ugly and very not nice.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	When people want to join, I say, please inform yourself before you do it, because you can get yourself into a situation that can be really, really difficult to get out of.
	Okay, so we've established how the network operates, you know, it's a bent system, bent judges, bent policemen and so on.
	We've established roughly how the assassins operate and who they are, where they're drawn from.
	What we don't know is... OK, let me put this another way.
	When I was growing up, like a lot of people, I watched James Bond movies, and I knew that MI5 and MI6 were defending my country, and they were the good guys.
	And we also knew that the CIA were good guys, because there was Felix Leiter, and he was great!
	He was a good American guy, and there was a wonderful Anglo-American unity, and we were saving the world.
	Since then I've kind of discovered that that's not a strictly accurate version of events.
	But who are the intelligence services really working for?
	Because they're not working for you or me, are they?
	I would, once again, you cannot say this is how they work because it's a major spread of operations.
	Some of it is to defend you, some of it is to protect you, and then you got like the CIA, it's an agency for hire.
	It is, you know, it's not a defense thing.
	It is not.
	So many times it is big corporations that are hiring them to do their dirty work for them.
	They go into countries, for instance, if you've got like Heinz Ketchup or whatever, you need pineapple for something like that.
	What they do is, if they need access to a country, for instance in South America, and you've got problems with the government saying, no, no, no, we will let the people own the plantations, the people should own it, it's their land, it's their country.
	Okay, so these big corporations, where these elected, really elected presidents are ruling, They're trying to enter that country because they need whatever in that country.
	And the government there, or the president there, is saying, no, I'm not going to let you in here.
	You are not allowed in.
	So what they do is they send in these big corporations.
	And they've just been bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger over the years.
	Now they're massive.
	They use these agencies to go in there to get things done.
	Brutal enforcers of the agenda for these corporations.
	And it can be done in many different ways.
	You can send assassins and take people out, but that's an obvious way.
	You know, it can create a lot of blowback and negative publicity if you kill someone.
	So they try to avoid that.
	That's sort of a later development.
	But one of the ways they do it is either through the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, so they can destabilize a country through these organizations that are also controlled by the same forces.
	Or they send in, like, economic hitmen that go in and visit this elected president.
	You've got, like, John Perkins is one of them who has become a whistleblower.
	And the way he does it is very, very simple.
	He goes in and he arranged for a meeting with his president, a good guy, and he said, Dear Mr. President, thank you so much for inviting me here.
	It's so nice to see you.
	Congratulations with the development in your country.
	There has occurred some things, though, that I would like to discuss with you.
	And the president said, Okay, so what is that?
	Well, he said, In this pocket, I've got unlimited funds for you, your family, your friends, your future, whatever.
	You know, whatever, here is like unlimited funds for you.
	All the luxury, whatever you want, can become a reality.
	True, not a problem.
	The only thing we need is to get, let us get access to your country.
	That's it.
	The access to this, to access that.
	Otherwise than that, you will be celebrated as a hero in the whole world and everywhere.
	All these democratic things, we will just work in the background pulling the strings.
	Nobody will notice it.
	That's in this pocket.
	In the other pocket, I have a bullet with your name on it, and your children's name, and your wife's name, and all the loved ones of your thing.
	I have bullets with that even for your dog.
	This is it.
	What is the choice?
	The choice is yours.
	Absolute, incredible fortune and fame and all of that, or a bullet through the head of all of you within the next 48 hours.
	This is exactly like the scene in the Bible.
	I mean, apart from the bullet, that wasn't in the Bible, but the scene where the devil takes Jesus to a high place and shows him the world and says, oh, this is yours, if only you worship me.
	I mean, this is what is being played out time and again, isn't it?
	It's evil.
	There's nothing new.
	There's nothing new.
	The methods that I think the Romans were the ones that came up with many of these methods, how to control the population, how to make the population believe one thing when it's actually something else, how to make the population worship the elite few as gods, while the elite few make them into slaves, making them pay for their own slavery.
	And in the meantime, Also, except when somebody's standing up and saying this is not okay, to get rid of them by assassination, blame it on a lone crazy guy, so people will think, oh my god, it was them, it was them.
	All of it, there's very few methods, and it was the Romans, as far as I know, that fine-tuned them into perfection, and since then, It's the same, the same, the same, the same, the same.
	This is why they say that I'm a well-leaving expert.
	The only reason for that is that I've been able to pinpoint the methods, the very few that are there, and see how are they carried out.
	It's just like a master chef.
	You know, like if you have a chef program, like Gordon Ramsay or whatever, if he takes a spoonful of sauce, he would say, oh, cinnamon and basil and this and that.
	If you let me taste it, I would say it's salty.
	I have no idea.
	In his world, he can pinpoint it all.
	In my world of these operations, I can pinpoint the different ingredients.
	There are very, very few.
	And once you start seeing the recipe, you can see it for yourselves.
	That is why I've been bombarding the world.
	I've done more than a thousand interviews, telling people, this is the recipe.
	When you start seeing these ingredients, feel the smell.
	That's the smell of bullshit.
	You are being taken for a ride, and it's done like this.
	Problem, reaction, solution.
	They're doing it right in your face.
	And so this is the thing to decode, decode what is happening to us so that we wake up of the spell and see, oh my God, I had no idea.
	And then it's up to you.
	Once you start seeing reality for what it is, even though it's painful, There's a liberation in truth.
	There's a healing in truth where you say, Oh my God, but now I can do something about it because the veil has been pulled away from my eyes and I can see clearly now.
	Okay.
	Then it's up to you to choose who are you going to be in this situation.
	Are you going to be a quiet one in the background, like a mouse and a coward?
	Are you going to step up the game and say, this is not okay, I'm going to become violent, I'm going to become one of them?
	I would suggest violence is not the way, but the truth is.
	The truth is the healing force and power that we have.
	And they are terrified of the truth.
	That's the only thing they fear, is the truth.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Before I forget, did you notice, well of course you'd noticed, when the World Health Organization was trying to push these vaccines that aren't vaccines, a number of political leaders who did not go with the program disappeared or died mysteriously.
	I'm thinking of John Magufuli, the president of Tanzania was one.
	There were five, four?
	Four, at least four African presidents.
	But this is standard procedure.
	The only thing is that you started seeing a pattern because there was more than one.
	Yeah.
	Because they were pushing at the same time and they needed to move quickly.
	That's why we noticed.
	Otherwise, it's only geeks like myself that see, oh my God, oh my God, it happened again.
	Oh my God, it's over there.
	So absolutely nothing new, absolutely nothing.
	And once you start seeing who's behind these organizations that are presented to us as something beautiful, wonderful, the World Health Organization, or the United Nations, or NATO, it sounds wonderful.
	Once you start digging behind and start seeing their actions, Who's financing, who's board members behind these companies, where their agenda is coming from.
	It's a very scary and disturbing experience, I tell you that, because I used to live, I used to believe all of that.
	I thought I was really good in history.
	I thought I knew it.
	Yeah, me too.
	I know, I know.
	I have had to unlearn so many things, just like Holy crap, they got me there as well!
	And there, I was duped there, oh my, are you kidding me?
	I can't believe it!
	And then, once you start seeing that you're living in an inverted reality, we're in an inverted reality at the moment, where people say the world is absolutely mad, it's not at all, it's just upside down.
	What they say is good for you, I guarantee it's bad for you.
	What they say is bad for you, I guarantee it's good.
	So every time they try to ban something, I really look into it and say, thank you so much for recommending this thing.
	You know, like Vitamins are said to be really lethal to you.
	Beta stands for life.
	And so on, and so on.
	After this I'm going to have a cigarette, because I've been told all my life that cigarettes are bad for me, and I'm convinced this is part of the science.
	I have a friend once, he said, if you're going to smoke a cigarette, then smoke it as a power stick.
	And just take it without the guilt, without the negative feelings, and just do it.
	Then do it.
	Then your body, good or bad, will handle it in a better way.
	If you add it with stress and negative feelings and guilt, it will get to you.
	I can guarantee you that it might take time, but it will get to you.
	That's a good one.
	I tell you, I am so not Pro smoking, absolutely not for me.
	It's like you can throw the thing out the window and kill my dad and other people in my family.
	But otherwise than that, if you choose to do it, do it full on and just power to me.
	So that your body cells are treating it as something that is not You know, with all the negative charge, because I tell you, the power of the mind is astonishing, and in so many ways it can create health.
	You can walk on glass, you can walk on fire, you can walk... if the mind is there, you can walk through a minefield, and if you let fear in, I tell you, you're doomed to... something will happen.
	I'm with you!
	Amen!
	Amen!
	Doubt is the biggest traitor in all situations.
	Doubt is the one that will get to you.
	So if you stay in your power, you can accomplish incredible things.
	Those four leaders, I mean, I don't know the others' names.
	I remember John Magufuli.
	These people should have statues in their... There should be a John Magufuli Day in Tanzania forever.
	Once a year, because...
	It sounds to me like they were put in exactly that position.
	They were given the... You can have the treasures of the world, or you can have a bullet.
	And he went for a version of the bullet, didn't he?
	He must have made that choice.
	I don't know the exact details around that.
	I know that he sent in four, I think it was four different PCR test results.
	One was engine oil, one was like a mango, and whatever.
	And it came back like this one has it, this one hasn't got it, this and showing this is absolute bullshit on steroids.
	So what he was doing was that he was, this was in the beginning of this whole Corona operation before they really showed the muscles.
	So I think they were the forces behind this whole operation.
	I mean, WHO is just a minor player down below.
	We're talking the real powers behind it, where this whole agenda is being pushed from.
	They felt we need to statue some examples and we need let's do it on people that are not well-known low-key individuals like African countries where I mean we don't even remember their names it's like really not good from us but I don't remember them either so let's statue this example of bum bum bum and then tell the rest you know this is what happens this is
	So what they did, the thing was that when you look at this whole COVID operation, it was carried out under the flag of Agenda 21, where more than 194 countries, I believe now, they haven't, we haven't even signed it.
	You've just been held under pressure under this agenda that was created a long time ago.
	Yeah.
	But where this is how you can see that all of these countries are standing in line doing a salute saying, if they say go left, every single country will go left, that is under the Agenda 21 flag.
	Yes.
	So, Ole, we've established a few things.
	We still haven't really answered the question who's behind all this stuff.
	Now, your analogy about the inconvenient foreign countries where you want to get
	uh you know your business operation that that seems to gel with the vision of the world in Blade Runner you know so where the world is run by these uber powerful corporations which are supranational and shadowy and is is that it or is there something else i mean have you ever sort of tried to get to the top of this i imagine the world is a pyramid that the power structure is a pyramid have you ever got to the the top of this pyramid
	Yeah, I would say no, because I think very, very, very, very few have any idea of what is actually at the so-called top.
	I want to point out, though, that actually the pyramid is upside down.
	The top of the pyramid is the bottom of the bottom, towards the lowest of the low of energies.
	So it's absolutely the lowest type of quality human beings that are around.
	So this whole thing that they want to... they are the ones that have named themselves the elite.
	I have a lot of names that is not so flattering for them, when you look at their behavior and their actions.
	But in this power pyramid, there are pyramids within pyramids within pyramids within pyramids within pyramids, all of them compartmentalized.
	And on a need-to-know basis, meaning that very few people...
	have the bigger picture.
	It's been carried out like that for several hundred years at least, where they've been very focused on concentrating the power to fewer and fewer and fewer.
	It used to be families, but now it seems like they're hiding behind corporations that are building up to multinational corporations, that are hiding behind multinational corporations.
	And so now we're up against very shady type of looking companies like Vanguard or BlackRock.
	We don't know who is behind it.
	Now they're even talking about there's this Aladdin-like robot mind that is controlling these companies that are now the owner of I mean, they have more wealth than I think Europe and the US together.
	It's like unbelievable amounts of wealth that is just by BlackRock.
	Then you've got Vanguard.
	And you can find the names of the CEO and so on officially, but who is behind it?
	Who is behind it?
	And I'm at a point where I tell you, the people that we are being allowed to see, like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and JP Morgans and so on, lower level, for sure higher level players.
	Really?
	Really?
	There's a higher level than the Rockefellers and Rothschilds?
	Yes, because they are the ones that are hiding behind it.
	They are the ones that were part of constructing the Internet.
	You've got the whole infrastructure of the Internet owned by a Swedish family that is a very big part of the Deep State, if you ask me.
	Nobody knows their name, hardly.
	What was their name?
	I promised my wife not to mention it.
	OK, fine.
	But yeah, well, it's Swedes.
	That's the thing.
	I've often talked to somebody dirty about Sweden.
	I mean, not Swedes generally, but I've been about the very, very rich people.
	Why is that?
	Why has Sweden got this power base?
	I grew up in Denmark.
	I was eight years old when we moved to Sweden, so I grew up in Sweden and I love it.
	It's a beautiful country and I totally bought the official version and then over the years I've been feeling what on earth is going on in the country of Sweden.
	Sweden is one of the few so-called neutral countries, but it's also the forefront country of so many different like achievements when it comes to science and to technology and to banking and to so many things.
	But the thing with Sweden is that it's got a super good reputation, meaning that it is a super good marketing tool.
	If you can pull something off in Sweden where the population is very, you know, afraid of any type of conflict or standing up for your rights or standing up for your opinions, they're very gentle and low spoken people. they're very gentle and low spoken people.
	And very afraid, up until now, for any kind of conflict.
	So it's a perfect place to test Jones.
	You know, the Stockholm Syndrome, it's not a coincidence that that thing comes from Sweden.
	So a lot of the things are being tested in Sweden, like the cashless society, the first central bank was in Sweden, the biohacking, the microchipping our population, all of these things tested out in Sweden from the 70s and onwards, tested on the population, and then pushed, pushed, pushed, so they see how far can we push before the Swedes start reacting, which is unbelievably far.
	And then, once they get the thing in place, they will then say, OK, look, neighbouring country, look at your country, Sweden here, this beautiful white island, democracy, and beautiful women, and sex on the street, or whatever they want you to believe.
	Yeah, Abba.
	Abba, Björn Borg, all of these guys.
	Are Abba evil, by the way, Olle?
	Or Abba, is the dodgy stuff about them?
	Or are they OK?
	Are they good guys?
	As far as I know, they're okay.
	They are pushing a lot of these agendas, some of the first.
	But that can just be a good business-minded strategy.
	So I'm not coining it away.
	But there are a lot of things that have been pushed in Sweden and then used to promote it in other countries.
	So Sweden is almost cashless now.
	It's unbelievable.
	The banks don't deal with cash.
	It's like even beggars in the street have card readers.
	Very, very odd to say the least.
	And now it's pushing towards Denmark and other countries where they say, but look at Sweden, how efficient and that is that.
	Oh, you can do all of that just with a bleep and a bloop and a blop and an app.
	I'd love to talk about Sweden for the rest of the show, but I know we haven't got that much time.
	I wanted to ask you about false flags.
	I mean, because it seems to me that false flags are part of the assassination thing, aren't they?
	Just to answer my question that I asked earlier, when I was a naive person on the Alex Jones Show and I couldn't imagine what would be the motive of governments to to stage uh terrorist atrocities like 7-7 or or the manchester arena bombing against their own people so who who what's what's the aim what's the purpose okay
	so first of all a false flag operation is actually a psychological operation where the attacked one is actually the attacker The attacked one, the so-called victim, is actually the attacker.
	It comes from an old naval term from when your nation was nice enough to surround Europe, Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands was nice enough to Go around the world, rape and plunder, all of these type of things.
	But sometimes it was getting a bit messy, you know, because the reputation of these nations were getting a little out of hand.
	And so somebody, I think it was when some trading agreements went
	went down because of this type of problem with the reputation that somebody came up with the idea why don't we do it like this instead of us being the bad boys all the time why don't we do it like this whatever target we have we have more than one ship so we have we take one of our own ships we take the target nation's flag and put on one of our own ships and then we let that ship attack ourselves so that we are suddenly the victim so that we will just have to defend ourselves
	No, it wasn't me.
	I didn't do it.
	rape and plunder and we will then be applauded as the heroes.
	Oh, poor Great Britain.
	They were attacked by this tiny little island and now this justified for absolute conquer and plunder and whatever.
	I'm not pointing at you James.
	No, it wasn't me.
	I didn't do it.
	I was the only.
	Exactly.
	So, a false flag is to put the enemy's flag on your own ship, let your own ship attack yourself so that you, instead of being the bad boy, you become the victim and that justifies your horror, you know?
	And the rest of the world goes, oh my god, fantastic!
	Okay, so the pirates were some of the first ones to say, that's a good one.
	So they started doing whatever target they had, a Spanish Armada or whatever, to just put up the Spanish flag.
	And then the Spanish were like, oh, it's a friendly boat.
	And so the vessel entered.
	And before they started seeing all the wooden peg legs and the one eyed patches, it was too late.
	It was too close.
	Boom!
	And the parrot, the blown up parrot, it was too late.
	So it's a psychological operation.
	And once that, once people in power started understanding that one, It is unbelievable the scale that this is being used upon on a local, national and international level.
	It is a mindfuck.
	It is you thinking one thing whereas actually the exact opposite happened.
	So a false flag operation, many people say that means that nobody died.
	It has nothing to do with victims, real victims or no victims.
	It is a psychological operation.
	So, that combined with an old Roman theme called Problem-Reaction-Solution.
	It's a three-step rocket that is also of such importance to understand.
	The human power, whatever that, on whatever level that is, creates a problem.
	The problem nowadays could be, most of the time, it's an alleged, please notice the word, alleged mass attack, mass shooting, alleged terror attack, alleged financial crash, or designed financial crash, or a virus.
	These are the ones.
	So, it goes like this.
	They, the human power, secretly create a problem.
	Boom!
	Something goes out over there.
	We're then being, the story is being transferred to us through media that is controlled to a large extent by them saying, this is what happened.
	And so you will see on TV, there will be this reporter saying, oh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible.
	And they're interviewing somebody who's part of the operation.
	The witness will say, oh, it's so horrible There were heads blown off and blood there and babies chopped into pieces.
	Horrible, horrible, horrible.
	The reason for that horror scene to be reported is for you back in the sofa, you and Edna in the sofa, to go, oh my God, that is a horrible problem.
	And here comes the reaction, oh my God, that's the one they want.
	The emotional reaction where we don't think, We just go into, oh, and then we turn towards the people we think are there to protect us, not understanding that it's actually them who created the problem, saying, please help us, help us.
	And they, well they say, well the only way we can help you in this situation is, boom, in comes the solution.
	So, and the solution is every single time something we would never have accepted had it not been for the problem.
	Problem, reaction, solution.
	Nowadays it's amazing because due to fluoride water and I don't know all kind of stuff that we have been stuffing ourselves with our concentration span is very short and also there's too many channels to choose from so when something happens watch it and see it being played out right in front of you because they need to get to you before you go and grab another slice of pizza or change to some football you know so it will be Boom!
	Something happened.
	Live from Baltimore, we have the footage of mass murder or whatever.
	So that's a problem.
	So you will see there will be a reporter, part of the operation, interviewing somebody.
	So what happened?
	Well, we saw a lot of people running and we saw this and they go emotional.
	Ask any marketing agent, how do you get people to emotions?
	It's marketing.
	It's just ordinary marketing.
	So they go emotional and to get the reaction from us, oh my God, oh my God, this is horrible.
	We're under attack.
	And then the reporter or the one that is being interviewed will serve you the solution.
	They will say, oh my God, and we need to, and boom, there it comes.
	So you can see problem, you go, and then boom, it comes.
	So it's like watching a tennis game, you know, like serve and smash.
	Boom, boom, boom!
	I'll give you an example.
	When there was an alleged mass shooting in Norway in 2011, 2010, sorry, on Utøya, there was a lot of teenagers shot on this island.
	Anders Breivik, yeah.
	Yeah, that's the official story.
	So we had this mass murder, So the head of the secret Norwegian police was issued in the news.
	So the reporter problem said, what are you going to do about this?
	I mean, we have like all of these dead bodies over here.
	That's a problem.
	People were sitting like this on the sofa.
	And they said, so what are we going to do?
	And the chief of police, I quote her, she said, this would not have happened had they been microchipped.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	When your emotional subconscious is absolutely open, they just smash it in there.
	Without you knowing, it's like, yeah, God, it's good to be microchipped.
	When Charlie Hebdo happened, Charlie Hebdo, there was an alleged attack on a newspaper office where they said to kill all these journalists that were Muslim terrorists, the whole shebang, that were being fed all the time.
	And it had nothing to do with airports at all.
	So the reporter, so what did you see?
	Oh, I saw a lot of blood and there were dead bodies.
	It was horrible, horrible, horrible.
	And then the reporter said, well, that just shows that we need to raise the security on at the airport.
	What was that?
	Do you see?
	So be aware, because when you go emotional, They just smash it in, just like they do in normal TV advertisements.
	But here, the product that they're trying to sell to you, without you knowing it, is fear.
	Fear is the key.
	They're trying to get you fearful through all of this, because it's only when we're fearful that we can be controlled.
	Right.
	There's a lot to take in there.
	I get how it works.
	You and I were both journalists.
	Are these journalists that you're talking about in on the act?
	Have they been briefed?
	You will see very often it's the same journalist that is being on site yet again, you know, start seeing the same person appearing.
	You've got Anderson Cooper, for instance, in the U.S.
	who comes from the CIA, who comes from a family background that is just war.
	He is very, very often when there's mass shootings, Anderson Cooper, Anderson Cooper, Anderson Cooper.
	Yeah.
	Got other people, check out the names and just see how, if you go in the archives, see where did this reporter come from, where did they, and then you get, and you start seeing like connections into the MI6, into MI5, into the FBI, into these type of things, through the family, through these type of things.
	Very often also these people are given prizes, you know, like awards and stuff like that, to add credibility to what they say.
	So obviously we haven't got time to go into the, we should do a whole podcast sometime on the Anders Breivik, the island shooting, because it's clearly a fascinating story.
	But surely that whole setup wasn't purely to get people with chips, was it?
	I mean, there must have been other factors as well.
	Oh God, it was a massive operation.
	A massive.
	I've done one of the presentations.
	I've done hundreds of them.
	But one of them is called When Terror Struck Norway.
	It's like I break it down step by step by step by step.
	This is what I normally do.
	I don't push things on people.
	I say, please have a look here, look there, look there, look there, look there.
	And then after a while, this is what I get from people.
	Because in your face, it's just that you don't see it.
	And once somebody says...
	Snap out of it.
	Look.
	That's when you start seeing and it's like, oh my God, I had no idea.
	And once you start seeing how these operations are carried out, you will start seeing them over and over and over again in so many different areas.
	And that's part of the solution.
	I would say when you don't get fearful anymore, but you start saying, my God, they've done it again.
	It's unbelievable.
	And it almost becomes like a joke, because nowadays there's so much low-budget crap that's like, it's ridiculous.
	Once you start seeing through it, it's like, oh, come on!
	Is that the best you can do?
	I mean, put some effort into it, but they don't.
	So, are you saying that in a lot of these cases, the deaths aren't actually happening?
	It's all faked?
	I'm saying that as far as I know, up until around 2013, there was a lot of real deaths.
	There was a lot of casualties, you know, like in alleged terror attacks.
	Yeah.
	mass shootings where many of them were staged but the normal people were victims of it and where the more dead the better for them because it goes to get the emotional impact on it so they were striving to get the numbers up yeah but there's a thing called mothers you do not want to mess with a mother who have lost their child i I tell you that.
	Because these mothers will not back down before they find out what happened to my baby.
	Even if my baby was 54 years old.
	and this mother is 94, she will hunt you down with her stick and say, "Tell me the truth.
	You are not open about what actually happened." So you'll see that in many South American countries and in Iran and stuff like that, where mothers have been for years and years making massive problems.
	And after 9/11, where a lot of people were killed in this job, There was a lot of mothers that did not back down.
	So somebody was starting to have a problem with these mothers.
	I believe that it was somewhere around the Boston Marathon that they went from having real victims to where somebody said, why don't we do it so that we can control all parameters, all of it, including the victims, including the investigation, including all of this.
	So we have one unit that we can just move around and carry out, and the only thing that ...what is being pumped out globally.
	Another terror attack, another terror attack in Toronto, Melbourne, all of these are NATO countries.
	And so this is also where the so-called crisis actors were created, I believe around that time, where people that are really good at looking dead or wounded or amputee actors, people that were born without an arm or a people that were born without an arm or a leg or whatever, they became high ranking things, highly paid individuals.
	Because the thing is, if you have a leg missing, you can very easily, with two pounds of minced meat and some ketchup, you can make it look like an absolute horrific terror attack.
	So, this is where the crisis actors started appearing, and you started seeing the very same individuals appearing over and over and over again, unbelievably.
	Like, in one they were dead, in the other they were the head of a school, and the other one there, the police, was suddenly the guy doing the autopsy, and so you started seeing these individuals appearing again and again.
	And once again, I went to the source, my sources, like Chip Tatum, his former CA, in black ops for more than 20 years, a top assassin.
	I mean, he is not an amateur.
	You can hear my, I've done many interviews with him on my website.
	Is Chip Tatum the guy who was sent on that mission to, um, was it a false flag operation?
	Yeah.
	Was that him?
	The Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City.
	No, no, no, no.
	His first operation was in Vietnam and he was sent on this force flag operation with some North Vietnamese soldiers and they were designed to I think it's the same guy, anyway.
	Operation Red Rock.
	Operation Red Rock, that's Gene Chips' name, that's the guy.
	But I also have it from other sources inside the CIA, like my brother-in-arms Cody Snodgrass, who was a black cop for more than 20 years.
	But anyway, so I asked Chip, so how is it possible that we do not see or hear people from the inside of these groups?
	Becoming whistleblowers, higher than not stepping forward, saying stuff like, you know, spreading, spilling the beans or whatever.
	And he said it's very, very simple.
	You have a small unit, a small little operating unit that consists of anything from film directors, crisis actors, controllers, bodyguards, makeup artists, Experts on pyrotechnics and explosives and military to guard the whole thing.
	This group is then being transported in big C-130 planes from NATO base or American Air Force base to so on.
	Where they're then transported on location in buses, local buses, that will transport them on location where they one day will do a drill.
	A security drill for your protection, meaning, bugger off, we're going to use this area.
	You're not allowed to see what we're up to.
	One day will be used for rehearsal and also where they take all of the high quality images of terror.
	And also when they film what I call the catwalk of death, you know, like a very blurry video of somebody walking around among the victims.
	So you see, oh my God, oh my God, what has happened?
	But you never see any great detail.
	These things are also recorded during the drill.
	And then if the weather is the same the next day, they can carry out a real attack that suddenly goes live and we have a mass shooting or a terror attack.
	The reason why the weather has to be the same is because they need to be able to mix the footage from the rehearsal, from the drill, with what is called live footage from location.
	So you cannot have like in one take you have a lot of clouds in the background.
	And in another take you got the blue sky.
	So you don't have to ever worry about an attack on a rainy day.
	I tell you that.
	No mass shooting, no terror attacks on rainy days.
	Never occurs.
	So anyway, I asked Jake...
	How do you control a group like that so that you don't have a problem with information getting out there?
	He said it's very simple.
	It's called management by fear.
	He said many of these individuals are low-level actors.
	They are not good because all of the good ones have been used in commercials from childhood.
	Right!
	onwards or being part of theatres, things like that where they can be identified.
	So we can't use them.
	So the ones they have to use are really awful many times.
	Really not good.
	Many of them smiling all the time.
	It's called duping delight.
	It's a psychological thing when somebody is trying to manipulate you.
	So even if they talk about my mother's head was chopped off by ISIS, they're smiling.
	Like this duping delight.
	So it's a psychological phenomena.
	Anyway, so what Chip said is, if they start having problems with this small unit, what they do is they call for a meeting.
	So everybody comes in.
	Everybody has been very highly paid.
	They get very well paid.
	I mean, money is not an issue in this world of black ops.
	Many of them, many of the financers have been gathered through GoFundMe campaigns after their last thing.
	So they blow something up and then they arrange for all of these GoFundMe campaigns that we think, oh my god, we have to support the victims.
	So we pump the money into it, go straight into black ops, so it will be continued.
	It's also a money laundry operation.
	So anyway.
	So they're well paid.
	They're also all of them have to sign a non-disclosure agreement that if they break it, they will be sued from here to the moon.
	I tell you that extremely hardcore.
	Agreements that they don't understand what they signed until it's too late.
	But if you still have a problem with anyone saying, this is not right.
	I need to speak to the press.
	I mean, what they do is they just gather the group.
	Then they bring in somebody's grandmother and they slice the throat.
	They slit the throat of this individual in front of the group or kill somebody's dog or something like that.
	And then they say, is there anyone else that has anything on their mind?
	And at that point, they're calm.
	Again, it's very simple.
	If you don't care about human lives, like these super-psychos that are involved, it's very simple.
	You control them like that.
	And then, I tell you, people will think more than once before they come up and say, but we have people that have stepped forward.
	Right.
	I'll give you one example of one that really particularly haunted me, and that was the Bataclan killing at that concert.
	The Bataclan?
	Yeah.
	Were people not killed there?
	That seemed pretty ghastly.
	The Bataclan attack on November 13, 2015, It was a very special attack.
	It was not just one.
	You had the Bataclan, the music theater.
	You also had four cafes and a football stadium that was attacked.
	So big, big, big thing.
	As far as I've been on location, I was on location straight when it happened.
	I was trying to figure out.
	I've been at the cemeteries.
	I've been talking to Alex's relatives, schools, you name it.
	I've been trying to find out what happened.
	As far as I know, inside the music theater, no death.
	All of it staged, staged, staged, staged.
	Three of these different cafes staged also.
	Israeli owners, all of them.
	Then you had one cafe where it seemed like we had some real deal.
	The whole thing about the suicide bomber outside the stadium, absolute bullshit.
	100% bullshit.
	And also, I want to say that if you look at the description... What is going on?
	Somebody is trying to mess with me.
	When you look at the description of the shooters at the Last Cafe, In these operations, they are very often dressed in black military outfits, but no mask.
	They do the shooting, then they disappear.
	Then, within a few minutes, you have SWAT teams that arrive with exactly the same type of uniform, but with hoods on.
	So, what is going on is that, boom, boom, boom, the real shooters shoot, they hide, the SWAT team comes in, let's say that there are eight people in the SWAT team, three shooters, Eight people in the SWAT team moves in looking for the shooters.
	The shooters just put on hoods and there's eleven SWAT team moving out.
	You don't see where did they go, where did they go?
	That's how they do it.
	So, the description of the shooters at the Bataclan, now that you mention it, is exactly the same as in the alleged San Bernardino shooting just a few days later in California.
	Identical.
	But that was blamed on a Muslim couple, even though people saw three male, military-looking guys, white, big dudes, do the shooting.
	So, how did that happen?
	They were just transported, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, go to the airport, take the plane, next location, here's your next gig, doom, doom, doom, doom, and then out of the way, SWAT team in, SWAT team out, where did they go?
	Here are the patsies.
	It's standard procedure.
	So they aren't even real, because I mean a lot of people certainly believed at the time that the world was full of these Muslim radicals who just wanted to kill kuffar and and and we should all be very careful about traveling on airplanes and we should we should you know have bigger government to do more of this stuff.
	Were there any Muslims even involved in these things?
	Okay, when you say these things, I want to specify, we're talking about the Bataclan, San Bernardino, absolutely not.
	I also want to say that I looked into hundreds and hundreds, I don't know how many hundreds of cases, where I should be a world-leading expert on Muslim terrorists.
	I know nothing about them, because I never find them.
	But what I do find, what I keep bumping into is Mossad, CIA, MI6 sometimes, And then the Gladio Network, NATO's secret ghost army.
	These are the ones, also called Gladio B, that are carrying these things on the population, backed by the government in that nation.
	But these are NATO countries more or less always.
	NATO or nations that are connected through what is called 5 Eyes, 9 Eyes or 14 Eyes, which are super secret agreements between nations that looks like they're not connected, but they are.
	Before I ask you my next question, Manchester, the arena bombing, what's the story on that?
	I tell you, the official story is absolutely not true.
	What is, and the whole setup, absolutely not true.
	The tricky one with Manchester is that there are so many alleged victims, so many different families, so many different, that it's very hard to grasp how did they do it, what is real and what is not.
	So I want to say that If that was a real event, feel free to chop off my left arm.
	You can chop it off, no problem, if that was what we were being told.
	At the same time, I don't know the whole truth, because I've not been able to figure it out, because that is quite drastic.
	But I want to point out one thing when it comes to, for instance, Manchester, Sandy Hook, the latest Uwalde alleged shooting, Many years ago there was a director called Alan Dulles.
	He was the director of the CIA.
	He was one of the people, a bad, bad guy.
	Looking very sophisticated.
	I mean, if you want to look at a monster, there's one for you.
	So this guy was up to no good, including his brother.
	Also, they were involved in so much mayhem in the world from the Second World War and onwards.
	Also from before the war as well, because they were lawyers for the Nazi war machine.
	And this family in Sweden that I'm not allowed to name as well.
	But anyway.
	So he if you if you've seen the movie JFK Which is, in my opinion, it's an absolute masterpiece.
	It is unbelievably well done.
	The only one ever that is sticking to the truth when it comes to any of these historical events.
	I think absolutely incredible.
	But in that, there's a guy called Mr. X that is really explaining what was going on behind and why this assassination was carried out.
	His real name is Fletcher Prouty.
	He's one of my few heroes.
	He used to work in the Pentagon.
	He was in black ops for many, many years, and then he became a whistleblower.
	So many of the things that I know, I've learned from him.
	So anyway, he told the story that he was in Greece once with Alan Dulles, the head of the CIA.
	They were driving around and out in the countryside, and then Alan Dulles said, he was pointing to this, like, urbanization, and he said, Fletcher, do you know what that is?
	And so Fletcher said, I don't know, is it like a holiday complex building?
	I don't know.
	And Dulles said, no, no, all ours.
	They're all ours.
	Sleeping assets, wannabes, used to be babies, children, grandfathers, all of them are there just in case they're ever needed.
	They have a normal life.
	They live luxury lives, you know, or daily life.
	Some are car mechanics, some are You know, whatever, they've got a nice life, and they're there just in case we need them.
	Then we activate them, they do what they need, and then go back.
	And he said, we have got these all over the place.
	So when you look at, for instance, what happened in Sandy Hook, where you have a small little community, Where it's like, how can?
	How is it possible?
	It is possible if everyone is involved.
	If everyone are CIA assets.
	And I tell you, that case, once again, if you want to chop off the other arm, if that was a real event, chop it off.
	That is a total stage.
	Zero people died.
	It's a school that had been closed down for years.
	If you don't trust me, Please go to my website likeconspiracies.com, go to the shop, there are plenty of my books, but there is also one book for free called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	I was part of creating that together with Professor Jim Fitz and eight other high level researchers.
	It's 400 and something pages and as far as I know it was the first book ever banned by Amazon.
	So when they banned it, we decided let's redo it.
	You know, we made another cover saying banned by Amazon, and then we've been giving it out for free ever since.
	So in that, we just go to look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this.
	And this is also what Jim Fetzer has now been taken to court for by one of the fathers The alleged fathers of an alleged victim, Noah Posner, with four different death certificates, who died, not only died in Sandy Hook, he also died a year later in Peshawar in Pakistan.
	That's bad luck.
	Same name, same photo.
	It's like you really get to feel, oh my God, I was doubting reincarnation.
	Now I know it's true.
	It's amazing.
	So anyway, download that book for free and if you read that and then you doubt me still after those things, please come ahead.
	So it's like when you see these type of communities, understand if he said they are all over the place, then they will also be in other countries, like this was in Greece, he said they were in Germany, he said they were in other countries, I can't remember which.
	But what about England?
	England has been a player in these type of operations for a long time.
	You have this empire that they have been wanting to protect in many ways.
	You have the financial center in the city of London.
	You have a lot there to keep also from People not leaving their creations like the European Union through Brexit and so on.
	So these are the times when terror attacks happen so that they can raise the sort of protection level and the number of cameras and the number of surveillance and the number of all of these things based on these things.
	So...
	I could talk to you for hours.
	Please, let's do another one, because I feel we're just scratching the surface here.
	And I really admire what you've done, and I love what you were saying on another podcast the other day about how you felt like you'd been chosen for this battle.
	And I feel very much the same.
	What you said just completely struck a chord with me.
	So, to end this particular discussion, we're definitely going to do more.
	What colour were President Kennedy's underpants when he got shot?
	They were light blue.
	I should have guessed.
	It's the obvious colour, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's like sky, I don't know what it's called, but baby blue.
	Actually, one more thing.
	At what level do politicians know about this stuff?
	I mean, cabinet level, presumably they know it.
	It's a really good question.
	I think that many politicians start on a low level.
	They mean well.
	They have high ambitions.
	They're going to change the world.
	Then the higher up you come in the power structure, you will start feeling that things are demanded from you.
	It will be served to you in very subtle ways.
	Also, your loyalty will be tested.
	Also, you will be rewarded in many ways, like the stick and the carrot.
	So, if you're willing to give up a little bit about your future plans, if you're willing to become a little more loyal here, then you're allowed in with a bigger voice.
	Most of them are boys.
	Then you also have these, once again, networks like Jeffrey Epstein were part of this, you had Jim Savo, you had Mark Dutroux in Belgium, where There are these parties where people, when you come up to a certain level, you get invited to these parties, you know, come along, everything, I mean, my God, whatever you want, we've got it, you know, prostitutes, whatever you like, but it starts really soft, you know.
	But what people are not aware of is that these parties are being filmed.
	That was all of the buildings, for instance, that Jeffrey Epstein was in control of.
	All of them were rigged with cameras and all.
	They're there to collect dirt on you that can and will be used against you.
	They want to get you by the balls, literally, so that they have you.
	You know, and so many people have found themselves without really knowing, you know, they can have been, their drink can have been drugged or whatever, so that they find themselves waking up naked in a hotel room where things have been filmed, including maybe naked babies or little girls or what, you know, like whatever.
	And you're just like, what the hell, what happened?
	You know, they have very advanced ways of getting you in that position.
	Once you're there, they got you like this, and if you then start saying, listen, this is not okay with me, I'm out, really?
	Well, before you decide, maybe you should watch the video we have, you know, what would the press think of this?
	What would your wife think of this?
	In the old days, it was enough if you had a mistress, you know, in the 60s and so on, or if you were gay.
	But nowadays, I mean, even if you're gay, It doesn't matter anymore.
	Nobody's getting shot by anything.
	This is where the pedophile thing is becoming more and more powerful, because that's the only thing they have where they can really get people.
	Satanic rituals, pedophiles, these type of things.
	It's getting really ugly, but that's how they can control you.
	So to answer your question, On a lower level, people are in and they have no idea, starting to get up.
	But once you start getting up to a certain level, if you want to be part of the big boys where things are really happening, you have to corrupt yourself, otherwise you're not allowed in.
	So this is a tricky one, but this is also where you will see that When you look at political parties, I'm sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but when you see how it is set up in most democratic countries, you will have like five, let's say five parties.
	Like you got one right, one left, one center, and then you got a few small ones in the middle.
	And then it's up to you to say, well, I really like left.
	I really, I know I'm more to the right.
	I'm a liberal.
	The thing is that we are not aware of most of us is that all of the fingers belong to me.
	All of them belongs to me.
	So it becomes like a theater where things are being played out like a gladiator game.
	It's like American wrestling.
	It looks real.
	It's not.
	And so once you start getting into what politics - Yes, really are.
	It's like an absolute waste.
	I have not listened to any politician.
	Any president, at all, after I started understanding that, it's a waste of life.
	I don't give them any effort.
	I'm looking at their actions, not their words.
	They will tell you anything you want to hear, and then after the election, they will do everything their boss, big boss, is telling them to do, giving you the absolute finger and saying, thank you for getting me into office, now I will screw you over.
	And so it's like, why don't we even Well, in four years there's going to be another rigged election, and nowadays the same family in Sweden is in control of these voting machines.
	They're the ones manufacturing them.
	Right.
	Oh my god, it's unbelievable.
	So anyway, I would say, if I can end on a beautiful note, the official game is rigged.
	It is rigged.
	We're being bombarded by a propaganda machine bigger than the world has ever seen before.
	We are being attacked from all different levels.
	So there is a silent war going on.
	So it's up to us to say either, I don't want to see it.
	I really hope it's going to go away.
	I don't know how that works, but normally it doesn't.
	Or say, this is painful for me.
	But there's something that I am not... It doesn't sit right with me.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	I need to take a closer look.
	Then you choose people that you see.
	Maybe these people have been walking this road for many years.
	You start checking their track records.
	Can I trust them?
	There's a lot of people that are working both sides here.
	You mentioned one before, a show you were on, I tell you.
	There's a lot of people that are playing both sides and are in it to capture your mind and your loyalty.
	So you think, oh my God, I found a hero.
	I'm going to follow this one.
	But anyway, in this process, you will start seeing that something very strange is going on.
	And it's only when you understand that the world has been inverted, just like you mentioned in the Bible before, Satan and evil inverts reality.
	So they present it to us upside down.
	But when we change our frequency from what we call 3D reality into 4D reality, that's when you start seeing that, "Oh my God, everything looks the same, but I can start seeing what is going on." And that's where things become tricky.
	Because is it okay if I ram it on a little bit?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm just dying for a pee, that's all.
	Oh, please go.
	That's why I'm wriggling.
	I'm wriggling.
	No, no, go on.
	Go on, I can hold on.
	Tell me this interesting thing, because I...
	Okay, so there's a lot of people in different areas of the world who's talking about that there's this raising of frequency, that everything is frequency in this universe.
	And there's this, the age of Aquarius, everything.
	It's just like a radio receiver, the old time radio receivers.
	You know, you had like BBC One or whatever, I don't know the name of these channels, was on one frequency.
	But then if you start raising the frequency, you will have a time of Yeah.
	in between before you hit another BBC2 or whatever.
	So what was the difference?
	The difference is the same radio receiver, but it's a different frequency.
	And when you look at what I call 3D reality, That is the reality most of us have grown up into, where we're being told everything is true.
	Everything you see on TV is true.
	You can trust documentaries.
	The politicians are there to help you.
	The police are your best friend.
	The government will never do you any harm.
	The military is there.
	All of that, you know, the national flag in the background and the theme, that's 3D reality.
	As long as you pay the tax and don't cross the street when there's a red light, you're fine.
	3D reality.
	How can you not trust the media?
	How can you not trust BBC, Panorama?
	They are the flagship of true and free media.
	Okay, 3D reality.
	Many of us go on this almost like a hero's journey.
	We're going into this uncertain area.
	We're like, what the hell is going on?
	I have no idea.
	We're met by all of these obstacles.
	Our parents, our family is starting to look really like, what's going on with this dude?
	And then one day, we come to a point, like suddenly, it's EDC 2.
	And like say BBC One was playing Mozart, here you're listening to Jimi Hendrix.
	And we're like, what on earth is going on?
	My God, have you heard?
	And so we in 4D reality, I call that 4D reality, that's where you start seeing it looks the same, but suddenly you start seeing how things are connected.
	I mean, how could this guy, who is like a What do you call it?
	Confined, not confined, but like a sentence and pedophile become head of NATO or this guy who just robbed us from like 1 billion like in this crash.
	Now he's head of foreign affairs.
	It's like And you see like the Child Protecting Services are actually kidnapping children from families and it's like upside down.
	Yes.
	And this is where it becomes very, very difficult because when you start talking to people that are still in 3D reality, they will look at you like he is on some kind of weird drug or what are you saying?
	That it's Mozart and you're saying no, it's Jimi Hendrix.
	You cannot meet in these realities.
	But it's also in this 4D reality where it takes a lot of inner work, you know, where you need to deal with yourself, with all of the imbalances and traumas and whatever, you know, because many people go into anger or frustration or depression when they start seeing the world like that.
	It's like, oh my God, I can't handle it.
	But this is where we need to learn to surf the waves and then come back in balance, like I hope I appear like I'm more or less in balance, so that you can show the way forward, show that you can deal with this type of information without being like this spreader of dark, horrible information that will just drag people down and want them to commit suicide sooner than you can count to ten.
	Yes.
	I know you're dying for people.
	Actually, I've got to ask you one more question.
	Have you got any tips on how to bring people to the BBC Radio 2?
	It's like question number one.
	Really, when you look at reality today, Does it really make sense?
	You know, like, okay, let's see, you got like one shot of something that is good for you.
	Okay, you get one, you ask the official source, is this going to save me from this disease?
	They say no.
	Is it going to save me from spreading it?
	No.
	Can I travel?
	No.
	Can I get out of the house?
	No.
	Why am I taking it?
	You have to show solidarity, you know.
	Yeah, but it doesn't help.
	Okay, fine.
	So take a booster.
	Okay, will that then make me sick?
	No, will it make me die?
	No, will it work?
	So why should I do it?
	Show solidarity!
	Okay, assert, second, assert, how many?
	And this is just one example where it's like after a while.
	I don't feel comfortable because I start seeing a lot of people not feeling good, falling over, and football stars that are just dying.
	So I ask you, is something weird going on?
	I would say most people say, yeah, good starting point.
	Then you start seeing the manipulation.
	I've described some of the methods they're using.
	There's not that many.
	More than a thousand interviews.
	You can go to my website, Light On Conspiracies.
	They're shutting me down everywhere for hate speech, because apparently I'm very hateful, and a racist.
	I've never said a hateful word, as far as I know.
	But anyway, there we go.
	Upside down, inverted reality.
	So, once you start seeing what's going on, you have to ask yourself, is there a way out?
	And the way I would say is that when you look at it, they've only got one weapon against us, and that is fear.
	Is that fear in general?
	No, it's your fear.
	Your fear in your head, that's the one they want to activate.
	Because when you're fearful, that's when they can tell you, for your protection, bend over, pull down your pants, and let's get on with it.
	That's it.
	If you're not fearful, and they say, you have to, you will say, I don't think so.
	Thank you so much for offering me this absolutely mad option, but I prefer to go down, have a smoke and a cold beer in the pub with my friends and have a good laugh.
	Thank you and goodbye.
	Yeah, but you have to.
	I'm not doing it.
	Thank you.
	I'm not doing it.
	You don't have to become violent.
	You only have to say thank you, but no thank you.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I'm not gonna do it.
	So, when you look at fear, if fear is the only weapon they have against you, let's have a look at fear.
	So, is fear square?
	Is it blue?
	Is it round?
	Does it hide under the sofa?
	It's not.
	You can't even see it.
	It's invisible.
	Where is it?
	Is it to the left?
	Right?
	No.
	It's only between your ears.
	By the way, it's always connected to something that has not yet happened.
	It's not even real.
	You are fearful of something that might happen.
	So when you think of it, it's pure speculation.
	It's just a voice in your head saying, don't get hurt.
	It's good if this voice is when you're starting to cross like a highway.
	It's good to say, look left, look right before you cross.
	That's when the voice is good.
	But we've given this voice so much power.
	So much power.
	And it's that voice that they try to activate through mainstream media.
	If you turn on mainstream media, if it's not braindead entertainment or cooking classes, it is You live in hell.
	We're going down.
	You have no power.
	Everything is horrible.
	It's destroyed.
	There's terrorists and bombs and piles of dead bodies all over the place.
	I tell you, look out the window.
	I challenge you.
	Look where you are sitting.
	How beautiful is that?
	You look to the left.
	You see birds and butterflies.
	I don't even know how a snail, what a daily life for him is.
	I have no idea.
	It's magic!
	Then I look at a black screen in front of me.
	Life is hell!
	Is it really or is it the ones that are controlling the outlet of these black screens in front of us?
	Most of them label smart.
	That's a misspelling.
	The correct spelling is E-B-I-L.
	It's a sewage of propaganda that is there to control you, to get you into doubt and fear and depression and all.
	So, I tell you good news.
	There is a red button.
	It is a red button.
	It's the button of freedom!
	You can press it.
	Normally it spells off.
	You press that off and you close the sewage.
	Then you will have withdrawal for a few days and maybe some shaking.
	What am I going to do?
	I have to be a grown up adult responsible and watch the news.
	But what news?
	What news?
	Ask yourself if that was Al Capone or Serial Killer that was the owner of that TV station.
	Would you put so much faith in it?
	Because that is what we're looking at.
	These people behind these corporations make Al Capone like a Yeah.
	in a courtyard was, you know, like a joke.
	Same with zero killers, a joke.
	These forces are much more refined and brutal.
	So you start choosing what is good for my mind.
	Get yourself in balance more and more.
	You can go music, meditation, go out in nature, hug a cat, hug a cop, whatever works for you, to get in balance.
	Horses.
	Horses.
	Unbelievable.
	Get in balance.
	Get in balance.
	And then the next time you're hit with something like, oh my god, it's an upside down green monkey banana fried fruit virus, take a step back and say, before I'm going to react, problem, reaction, solution.
	Before I react, I'm going to take a walk.
	I'm going to go out and breathe and look at the sky and listen to some music and calm myself down.
	And then when I come back, I'm going to look at this again.
	But this time I'm going to not react.
	I'm going to see, understand and then act.
	Because now I'm in balance and now I can take a more balanced decision for myself and my family and loved ones on what would be a good step to take in this situation.
	So, I know what I'm rambling on.
	I tell you, James, the amount of violence that we're being told that happens in the form of mass shootings, gang rapes, immigrants, whatever, beheadings, slicing throats, Mass attacks, mass shootings that are not even happening.
	It's unbelievable.
	I have a network around the world of people looking into so-called news, where so much of it has never even happened.
	It's just in the papers or online.
	Somebody has written, clicked on the bottom saying, enter, and suddenly it's supposed to be true.
	It's not.
	And it takes geeks like this one who wants to live both their lives and going on location saying, I'm going to find out what is going on because I'm confused.
	And what I found is that the world is beautiful.
	And we indirectly have to thank these super psychos, like Kill Bill Gates and Anal Swab, and these other individuals, who are spicing things up, because we have been in this spell for such a long time, or drug zombie state, where we've been so up into our own desires, not caring about our neighbors even, You know, that we have not seen what's going on.
	And now, these individuals have been kind enough to take a flamethrower and stuff us up our butt saying, it's time to wakey-wakey.
	Wake up!
	Wake up!
	So indirectly we have to thank them.
	On a spiritual level, on a street level, I'm here to transcend all the madness they bring on.
	But on a higher level, so indirectly, stop being a victim.
	Stop whining, start shining.
	When you're in victim mode, you're weak, you're losing power, you're blaming.
	When you start seeing, okay, I am in this situation, whatever it is, let me turn around.
	I will take full responsibility for being where I am, here and now, and from now on, I will not even get the thought of being a victim anymore.
	I will act forward for the benefit of all, for the benefit of us, not I, me, mine, feel, but for us.
	And then do it on a local level, on a national level, community level, you know, every angle, every action in your life, make it count, make it work for the good.
	Um, Olu, I think we're going to leave it there because I'm about to piss myself.
	The screen's frozen.
	Thank you very much for being on the Deling Pod.
	And, um, a reminder to my lovely listeners, I do appreciate your support on Patreon, on Subscribestar, on Locals, and on Substack.
	Olu, thank you so much.
	That was really good.
	Please can we do another one sometime?
	Anytime James, anytime.
	I'm here in need of service.
	Thanks a lot.
	I'll leave you to a lovely night in the East.
	Thanks a lot.
	Take care.

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