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July 19, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Morgoth
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Welcome to The Deling Pod with me, James Delingpole.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really, really am actually.
I think that today's guest is, and he's going to balk at this, but I think he's one of the cleverest people I have had on the podcast.
I think up there with Roger Scruton, although completely different.
He's laughing already in a sort of self-deprecating way.
I mean, look, I haven't been able to get Thomas Sowell, who is my dream pick for the show.
And Morgoth is nothing like Thomas Sowell.
But I think you're amazing, Morgoth.
I really do.
I've admired you ever since somebody introduced me to your podcast that you did once about the Oh, the newborn chick theory?
You can explain that to me a bit later on.
But okay, so Morgoth, for those who don't know, is his pseudonym.
We don't know what his real name is and long may that remain so because horrible people would love to shut him down.
I think it's safe to say that you are a Northumbrian Yeah, I'm from the North East, yeah.
From the North East.
And that's one of the things I love about you, that you sometimes do your sort of, well, your show is called Morgoth's Review.
Where can people find it?
Well, I'm on YouTube and Odyssey.
Also on Odyssey I do... and I used to have a blog where there's... it's still out there as well.
That's how I got going.
I mean, funny enough, James, it's...
It's kind of like, because it goes back to the Daily Telegraph, when you used to write above the line and I used to kind of troll the lefties in the comments section and what I would do, there was this kind of golden 18 months in about 2012-ish and you could get away with blue murder in the comments section but eventually the balance came in and I had like a kind of Tolkien sort of You know, like, trend.
And Morgoth just happened to be the one that I was using when I decided.
Because then it was like, well, if you don't like being banned, just bugger off and open your own blog.
So I actually did that and it became quite popular and I just called it Morgoth's Review.
And it kind of...
I kind of then moved on to YouTube videos because if you go back and look at the early ones it was really easy because I was working a lot.
I was working like 12 hour shifts and then having to do the blogging and writing and it was quite difficult and I realized that you could just speak into a camera and just like sort of shout it instead and that's kind of the direction I took.
So that's a little bit how I emerged.
So I'm on YouTube and Odyssey and Bitchute, but on Odyssey I'm doing my own, I call it the Morgkast, where I've been doing dives into sort of more laid back and longer format like what this is.
Yes, well I like your brief takes and I like your long form stuff.
I think you're a man of many parts.
Tell me, I'm not obviously as up with Tolkien as I ought to be, which character is Morgoth?
Morgoth, he's in the Silmarillion and he was the original sort of Satan in Tolkien's world and this is what gets me into so much trouble because if you are on, this is why it's so cringe and I wish I could go back and just do it all over again.
I mean when the digital IDs come in I may have to do a complete sort of rebrand But until then, the problem is if you're on our side of things and you're looking at the world turning into this kind of hellscape, like he is the original kind of Satan.
He is kind of like the Bill Gates or something like that.
The main Sauron in Lord of the Rings was his apprentice.
And it's the original kind of bad guy of Middle-earth.
So Morgoth is even worse than Sauron?
Yeah.
then Saron.
Yeah.
Wow.
He's as bad as it gets.
That is, so you are, you are really, really evil.
Actually, given that we're just, just now that we mentioned Tolkien, how much do you reckon Tolkien prefigured and understood where we are now?
There are many signs, aren't there, in literature, in film, in all sorts of areas, which act as kind of signposts to the horrors that we're entering now.
So where was Tolkien on all of this?
Well, I remember, because I read The Lord of the Rings like about 23 years ago now.
I was on a Christmas when I was laying around with a hangover and I kind of read just non-stop.
I just sat and binged it.
And I remember when I was looking up about people's different takes on it, they would say, what does the ring mean?
Is the ring nuclear power?
Or is it like a swastika?
Or is it this or that?
Tolkien always said, well, it is what it is in the book.
There's no special hidden meaning.
And what it is in the book is corruption.
And so what you find is when we look at our world today, it is corruption.
And this is what we'll probably jump into.
But it is all about corruption of, in Tolkien's world, the natural and the good and the beautiful.
So there's a lot, there's a very strong Catholic element in there as well.
And so when we look at the world today and you can just see corruption like it's wall to wall, it's almost impossible to get away from it.
Whether it's the transgender issue, whether it's the sort of forced multicultural, it's kind of this creation of a global economicus, just the man of an economic unit, which is pretty much what the Orcs are.
You know, it's just reducing people down to this mode of production.
And then, just at a higher level, when you see now that this transhumanism stuff coming in, it's the very form of nature itself will be completely bastardized.
So, in that framing, Tolkien had it absolutely spot on.
And, you know, there's a lot in it there.
A lot in it for people on the good side, like us.
Yes.
It's odd, isn't it, that two of the greatest thinkers on this subject, and also the greatest creators of popular literature with these big themes, were mates at Oxford.
The other one being, of course, C.S.
Lewis.
And one thinks of Dons as being slightly remote figures in their ivory towers, that they don't really have much contact with the real world or understanding thereof.
And yet there's a wisdom in both those writers, which is extraordinary.
Yeah, I think after because there was a World War One influence as well and then so for Tolkien that I think that's people love to dissect Tolkien but I think these days they have a tendency to overlook World War One as a factor because what you what you saw I think what for for European man in World War One it was really the first time that he'd kind of fed himself into his own machine
Where instead of the old kind of more honourable way of warfare, which was like gentlemen's agreements, instead for the first time you had that kind of mechanised mass death, where really it's really difficult to see any honour in an aeroplane dropping mustard gas on people in a trench and this kind of thing.
And what we see after World War One is a lot of kind of reactionary thinkers on the right coming out across Europe.
People like Spengler and Guénon and then you've also got people like Tolkien as well and T.S.
Eliot and there's this kind of So it's kind of as if they're saying, like, wait a minute, stop and let's just think about what's just happened and the major sort of civilizational implications.
Like, what road are we going down here?
And we see where we are now that they weren't listening to.
So you can go back and you can look at their critiques from 100 years ago and there's clear warning signs, especially about technology.
Yes, well, yes, of course, talking about technology, we also think of Brave New World, which it turns out that Aldous Huxley had a more accurate vision of the dystopia we were heading towards than George Orwell, whom I also admire greatly.
But we are kind of heading towards Brave New World, I think, rather than 1984, wouldn't you say?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Well, you know, it may take a little bit of 1984 to get everybody vaccinated.
But then, overall, they may step out of line.
There's certain issues which they've got to do with what they have to face with in what's supposedly, like laughably, a liberal democracy.
And they'll step into 1984 for a nip and a tuck, and then afterwards they'll step back into Brave New World and pretend that it was of everybody's free will, when it clearly wasn't.
But I mean, there's wider problems with that in the first place.
But I did like a deep dive on the YouTube channel about HG Wells, who was a Fabian in the Fabian Society, and he literally wrote the book called New World Order.
And I did like an hour long read through the final chapter where he really digs into it and he says, well, yeah, it is just literally a one world government.
It's a technocracy.
And he spells it out that millions of men and women will die fighting against the new world order.
And it was instrumental in the formation of the United Nations Human Rights Charter after World War Two.
So there's clearly people around with sort of an agenda.
There's various different groups doing it.
But you can see just the contrast with HG Wells and Brave New World because in HG Wells' book, he actually kind of calls out the Brave New World.
He says it's this dumb fantasy pamphlet for paranoid plebs.
Something like this.
So it's just he's aware of it.
He's aware of the like the criticism of what he's proposing.
Right.
Right.
And the other other one in kind of H.G.
Wells's Fabian camp was the appalling creature that is, was, thankfully, George Bernard Shaw.
I mean, have you seen that clip?
I saw it recently of George Bernard Shaw telling an interviewer without a shred of embarrassment that he thought that there ought to be a board where every five years People were interviewed, and you go out for your interview and you're questioned on what you've contributed to society.
And if you haven't made a net contribution, then the death panel should decide to execute you.
That's what he was arguing for.
And there was no sense that what he was arguing for was weird.
So this mentality has been with us for generations.
Yeah, I mean I would be interested in how they define that because like what did he contribute?
He had some great works of literature, there's no doubt about that, but the problem is what if the sort of the frame for recognising things doesn't include that?
What if it's just about like production?
Yeah, tractor production!
If he was called up before the panel and they said, what have you done?
Oh, well, I wrote For Whom the Bell Tolls or whatever.
And I'd say, well, no, how many carts of coal have you pulled?
How have you increased production?
And yeah, so you're getting dragged off to the pit as well then.
Sorry, the problem with you is that, and it's a good thing by the way, that I feel I can digress in any direction and you'll have something to say.
Do you actually rate George Bernard Shaw as a writer?
I mean, he's never rocked my boat.
I loved, and we'll move on to this in a minute, your latest long form thing about where you describe how we're living in a giant video game.
This is essentially, the technocrats see us as kind of characters in a video game, don't they?
Before I do that though, you mentioned Telegraph Blogs, which I agree was a kind of brief golden era of, well, I hate that phrase, free speech, because it seems to have become the kind of, the cause that you can talk about that gets you off having to address what really matters in the world, which is the fact that we're being taken over by a kind of technocratic elite and turned into slaves.
But you know, no one wants to talk about that because it's embarrassing, so they'll talk about free speech instead.
Anyway, you must have, you know, if you used to hang about below my telegraph blog, Did you sort of read my stuff and think, yeah I quite like Delingpole's stuff and I like his attitude but there's a lot about the world he doesn't yet know and I wonder whether he'll ever discover it?
Because I imagine you were down the rabbit hole way before I was.
I was a bit back then but not that much and it tended to be the case where you'd If somebody was more or less on your side, like, you would kind of be okay.
Like, you did articles about, like, grooming gangs.
And so then, like, for me below the line, it was like, well, I'm going to give them a pass for that because we don't, like, this needs to be encouraged.
Like, I want more of this.
Yeah.
But then you would have like somebody like Tom Chivas who was a bit of a cook and so it was like no no you can't and then you then you kind of like tear it apart and like kind of now this isn't good enough and it was it was he that said why didn't you bugger off and get your own blog and I did.
Yeah, there is, I think, there is definitely a tendency on people, among people on our side of the argument, to engage in this kind of purity spiral, whereby, you know, if you don't know that, about Building 7, and if you don't know that JFK was assassinated by a team of eight men, and that You know, George H.W.
Bush was part of the operation and stuff.
If you don't know all this kind of what's known as conspiracy theory stuff, then you're not really in the game.
And I think we need to be careful not to alienate potential potential recruits.
At the same time, I can see, looking back on some of my old columns and my old writings, it must be very annoying for people who are down the rabbit hole, reading this guy, he's obviously intelligent, he's obviously got a good style, but essentially writing what I would now call normie stuff.
I mean, the normie vision of the world, it Journalists who write about the normie version of the world are in some ways perpetuating it and endorsing it, aren't they?
They're actually part of the problem, whether unwittingly or not.
Yeah, I mean, the problem, if you take, for example, the grooming gangs issue, and you go back to, like, 2012, there's also, like, at that time, the right, who was critical of the... they would actually come out and speak about those issues.
And so you're kind of, like, you're happy because you're pissed off with what's happening in the country.
It's absolutely wrong.
It's disgusting.
But then what happens is you find that, well, these these writers are kind of connected to these NGOs and these think tanks in America and they have then got a vested interest in Israel.
So they're kind of like, and it ends up where what should be just a natural organic movement of British patriotism suddenly becomes like all obsessive about Israel and it's like
in part of this wider war against like Islam and you think well yeah that so there's a lot of strings being pulled and a lot of people being manipulated by powerful interests and and that that was a a sort of red pill to me as well to see that going on um and it annoyed a lot of people and it caused a lot of trouble not so much now I think but it but it is an issue and you think well
I don't want to be like a sort of pawn for the neoconservatives and their campaigns of waging war in the Middle East.
I just want these horrors in my own country to stop.
you know, they are part of us and they are part of this wider Western struggle against like Islamo-fascists or something and so you get drawn into somebody else's narrative and it was that that I began to get really skeptical about and kind of, I kind of started analyzing these different ways of manipulation and in a way that was why I called it Morgoth's Review because, you know, I did like analyzing Guardian articles as well and all of this kind of thing.
That's very good.
It's something I've noticed, that I've tried to develop in some of my articles, that in order to expose the enemy, you need to show their workings, you need to show their techniques, and you're very good at that.
In fact, this is the perfect opportunity for you to Talk about the chicken, the newly hatched chick thing.
You're quite good at observing how the left operate.
I call them the left, although left and right are meaningless.
I've found in the last 18 months that I probably have as many Corbynistas on my side as I do self-declared Conservatives, and equally I no longer think that being pro-Brexit is de facto proof that you're a sensible person and that you're... because loads of Brexiteers have completely wet the bed on the subject of Covid.
But yeah, you're very good at analysing the techniques of, let's just call them the bad guys.
So tell us about the... The hatchling...
I did like a little series and I set the rules for myself where I didn't script it, I just had to use a couple of bullet points and the video would be like six or seven minutes long and then that would be it.
And the one that everybody keeps talking about was what I call, it's really strange, it's like a seven minute video and everybody brings it up all the time, but what the hatchling is, is a certain kind of leftist And if you think of like a little chick that's just came out of an egg, they have no prior knowledge about the world whatsoever.
So you have to explain absolutely everything to them.
And so this puts you in a situation where you're just kind of rattling away and away and away on all of these things that you'd think were just common sense, but the hatchling will just feign ignorance.
So then you have to keep explaining and then they'll eventually just start and knock you back and say, well, I don't really believe that.
Why is this?
Why is this a thing?
Why is why is it a bad thing if you become a minority?
Or why is it a bad thing that these vaccines have never been tried?
And we do it low.
Why should that be an issue for you?
Why do you see this as a problem?
And so it's this sort of tactical nihilism, this tactical ignorance, and it's deeply dishonest.
But I wanted to make the video so that people can kind of call it out and people can be aware of what they're actually seeing.
Because it is dishonest and a lot of the thinking is dishonest.
I mean, the way I would... I just call them shit lips now.
There's this emerging thing on... you've got left-wing commentators like Jimmy Dore who are kind of anti-establishment and in their own way and there's this emerging thing to call them.
Just call them shitlibs.
That's all they are.
They're just these pathetic, compliant slaves who are... I mean, this is something we could get into about just how skillful the system's been at manipulating this this rancid middle chunk of western civilization and they are it.
I'd prefer to have some Corbyn howl at the moon communist than the just the kind of bland vanilla shit-lib which just carries the entire weight of the system on his back and just parrots every slogan.
I mean at least Corbyn pissed off the you know the people in the banks and all of this kind of thing.
Oh yeah yeah absolutely.
In fact in in some ways your hatchling theory also applies to a debate that I or rather a debate that I don't actually have uh on on my London Calling podcast with Toby um and every now and again Tobes will will try and call me out on my my crazy my crazy wacky conspiracy theories about the Great Reset and the New World Order and why are they doing this
And it's this thing about the motivation.
If the vaccine is a kill shot or if it's a sterilizing device or if it's that, what possibly would the motivation be of the people responsible for this?
Why would they do this?
And If you take that bait, what it does is it puts you in the position of trying to explain everything from the hatchling stage.
So you'd have to sort of start talking about things like the creation of the Federal Reserve, and and how America is actually essentially a kind of a gangster state um run by this this uber elite and you'd have to talk about you'd have to talk about all the all the hard-won knowledge that that many of us have spent months reading down all all sorts of obscure websites and which have taken a time to absorb and if you if if I were to to splurge this out all at once.
Tobes would just be able to point at me and say yeah well this is just crazy I mean you're just a kind of you know you're wearing a tinfoil hat.
Are there any other sort of tropes, techniques of the shit libs that you've noticed or what were the other the other episodes that I didn't listen to other than the hatchling?
I only did three.
I did another one called The Abomination, which is a particular kind, you'll find this kind in Antifa, where it's like the most repulsive, disgusting piece of, like you'll see these pictures of Antifa and they just look like abominations.
And they are an offence to everything which is good and truthful and beautiful in the world.
And the thing is, they know they are.
They know they are offensive to you.
They know they look disgusting.
They know they are degenerates and perverts and weirdos, and they like it.
They're orcs.
Yeah, they are orcs.
And it's like, you know, there used to be a thing where, not that long ago either, but it was a general consensus across the West that censorship was a bad thing.
And there's a certain kind of conservative, I think, whose sensibilities are kind of... he's offended by the idea of censorship.
He genuinely does believe in free speech, you know, and the abomination will revel in the fact that he's offended that they are playing outside of his kind of framework, outside of his moral universe, and they look back into it with his, as they would say, like his petty bourgeois sensibilities about free speech or whatever, and they laugh and they gloat about it.
Yeah, yeah, we're still just going to get you deplatformed.
And you can tell them as well, this is the strange thing now, I remember when I first started to realise that all of the power structure agrees with the left on everything, yet they pretend that they are like revolutionaries.
And it was clear, it came to me like in a blog post that I did called The Tragic Life Cycle of Hillary Clinton.
Where I kind of traced the story, the life story of Hillary Clinton from sort of the hippie.
She was actually a bit of a lookout when she was like in the 60s.
And you know, sitting there smoking a spliff under the stars, oh we are the world, American pie and all of this.
And then she's kind of slowly but surely just gets absorbed.
But when you look at her talking points every step of the way, She was kind of reinforcing the main kind of poison of America.
And so eventually they end up completely just as a sort of adjunct of the system.
And the abomination will, like, you can put it to them.
I thought it would be a kill shot.
Oh, the system agrees with you on everything.
You're no kind of rebel.
What are you doing?
And they just shrug their shoulders and it's like, yeah.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, you know, you'll see them on Twitter.
It's like now you've got the CIA and everybody, all the rainbow flags everywhere.
And I think it must have dawned on them, like at a certain point that, well, yeah, actually we've been duped here.
Like, They aren't working for us, we are working for them, but so what?
I like the power and the social capital this gives me, so that's good enough for me.
But I'll just continue on the lie for the sake of it.
Right, so that's the exultant hawkishness.
Okay, and what was the other one?
I did one more, but I can't remember.
These are old videos.
Yeah, sorry.
No, it's unfair to... I was going to do another one about the rational man, who will never believe... maybe I could whittle it off sometime, but the rational man was another one I was going to do, and it was where, like, he just won't believe anything unless it's peer-reviewed.
He'll have no common sense about the world.
And of course, as we know now, like all of these institutions have been captured by global capital and special interests, but he'll just flatly, and so it's null and void, but he'll just not have common sense.
He is the guy, if you've seen the Midwick meme, have you ever seen that?
Where you've got like the kind of working class grug, and then you've got the IQ in the middle, And he's kind of just going the party lane.
And then you've got the IQ of 140.
And he agrees with the working class, kind of normal, you know, more grug tape.
And it's, again, it's the Ransom Mill.
And you see this, and that's them, that's them in the middle, like, and then it'll be like, you know, the work, the North FC kind of thing on the left.
So IQ of 90 and he's like, I just don't trust it.
It doesn't feel right.
And then the one in the middle is like, have you got any stats to back up that?
Have you got statistics to back up that feeling?
And then you've got the kind of call, young Nietzschean comes in, says he doesn't need the statistics.
Trust your instincts.
Trust your intuition.
It's been a million years evolving.
It's fine.
Yeah, I totally agree with all... Actually, can I ask you?
You sound like somebody who hasn't been ruined by university, but that could just be a theory.
Did you actually...?
No, I didn't do any higher.
No, I left... I went and did construction, and then I ended up in big factories and stuff like that.
And then I went to Europe for a long time, Backpacking around and I stayed and worked there and travelled around for a long time and then I came back to settle down about 10 years or so ago.
Right, yeah, because I mean, I don't want to sound patronising, because, you know, I've had the elite education, you know, I've had almost a cabal level education, and almost everyone who's had my education I utterly despise now, and I feel total kinship with you.
It's odd, isn't it, that this is the way that people who've been to university, oh no, obviously there are exceptions, but they seem to have all the intelligence If they had any.
Educate it out of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I've never been, I mean, everybody, it's something that people always bring up, but I can't really speak to it because I just never went anywhere near university.
I didn't, it just didn't, I wanted to just wander around.
I was, I did like, I'm a typical Gen Xer.
in a way, where I just wanted to kind of mope around and wander free under the stars with a rucksack and be cynical and ironic about everything.
That's the whole Gen X thing.
It is a thing.
That cycles.
It is a thing.
I was typical of Gen X in that way.
Right.
But you see, the thing is, if you haven't been to university, so you haven't been spending your life kind of getting completely caned on drugs and trying to, you know, I don't know, become a president of the Oxford Union or whatever, whatever, you've probably had a lot more time to read books.
I mean, you've probably actually, I don't want to put you on the spot here, but you've probably read things like Spengler, which I certainly haven't, or you're fairly familiar with what he says.
Yeah, but don't get me started on Spengler.
I read Spengler only in the last couple of years, but really I kind of studied it, which is The Fall and Decline of the West, because we're living it, and he was right.
I get the feeling like my regular audience, if I'm on a stream or something, And I'd say, oh no, he's going off on Spengler again.
But it is so important that he was right about everything.
The Faustian spirit and all of this, it really is mind-bending.
So yeah, that came from, I picked it up, there's a philosophy channel called John David Ebert.
But in Decline of the West, he will, in the first volume, he'll talk about sort of the metaphysics of Beethoven and how Beethoven and a romantic painting are essentially the same world feeling.
It doesn't matter that one's classic music and the other's a romantic painting, it matters the form.
I would love your TLDR, because actually a friend of mine, Jonathan Marsley, showed me his copy of Decline of the West.
And I thought, I'm not sure any more than, you know, I'm not going to read Carol Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, because frankly, that is a book much better summarised with another TLDR, which for people who don't know this phrase means too long didn't read.
I just need somebody to tell me what the key point in Carol Quigley was, and I've been told that, so it's fine, I don't need to read it, but just give us a potted version of Decline of the West and the juicy bits.
Well, the basic, it's very, it is very German.
But the basic idea of it is that each civilization goes through a cycle.
And there's been nine of them, nine other civilizations.
And our Western civilization is what he calls Faustian.
And each civilization has its own sort of primary symbol.
So our, the Faustian, and it relates to the Goethe poem and the Marlow poem.
The idea of it is basically the Faustian man, the European Western man, his kind of symbol is infinite space.
And so he will always strive off into the eternal.
And so you can see this throughout our whole civilizational arc over the last 1500 years.
He regarded classic civilization of Greeks and Rome as being a separate civilization with its own metaphysics.
And so what happens is you have, if you think of an infinite space, So Spengler points out you can see it in the Gothic Cathedral, where it's internal, it's all about creating as much space as you can, and then you've got sort of screaming upwards into the heavens, into the sky, and then you can see this all this kind of
The idea of music, the classical music, again and again, Bach and all of this, and it all, even the mathematics of it, and you know, I could, I did warn, I could go on and on, but the key takeaway is that this kind of spirit, if you want to call it that, would, if the civilization has a definite beginning, a middle and an end,
and you get like a spring time and then you head into the civilizational phase, the enlightenment, and then we are now heading into the winter of western civilization.
So the spiritualism is long gone, the greatest works of art have been and gone, and because there's only Like that form, that spirit, it doesn't have an infinite amount of ways to express itself.
It will decay and it will grow old and he, you know, you can skip all the way and kind of say, well okay, so how does it correspond To what we are seeing now.
And you can see that because, you know, it's one thing to stand on a mountain and to break through the Northwest Passage and you think of the infinite plains of America, the infinity of going over the seas.
We did.
We did it all.
And it's lovely and we see it in our art and everything.
The problem is there's a downside to it.
Faust is a tragic hero because there's no brakes on it.
And so if you are then going to, especially with the technology, it just goes on and on and on.
You can actually see something like transhumanism, you could argue, is the next step.
It is sort of just disappearing into the void of digital space.
It is.
It is a tragic.
I mean, just to finish the point, if anybody's wondering, the prime symbol of the Greeks was sort of the physical body and being amongst physical bodies, which you can see with the statues and things.
The Islamic Median world was life in the cavern.
So they are in the dome, which you'll see in the shape of mosques and things like this.
That is interesting.
I was thinking that Elon Musk, when you see him talk about transhumanism, there's no sense.
And indeed that chat you had, you showed an excerpt of him speaking at the World Economic Forum.
I don't know who that was, that guy in your video about video games.
Very scary.
But it's interesting that when these people talk about turning us into, about the potential of sort of computers meet the human brain and about the control possibilities that this, you know, greater, he boasts about the fact that this is greater than the Gestapo ever, ever, ever could exert.
And he's not saying it in a bad way, like he thinks this is a terrible thing.
And Elon Musk is the same.
They're talking about it like, this is gonna be great.
We're moving on to the next big step of human civilization.
And people like you and me are going, hang on a second.
I quite like nature.
I quite like my God-given body without electrodes in it, without implants and without, you know, et cetera.
But these people, these sort of megalomaniacal technocrats, They think it's great, don't they?
I mean, they really are fast.
They want to.
Yeah, this is the tragic part of it.
And so it's weird because it took me, when you get into the sort of the COVID stuff and the lockdowns, I was actually caught out in the start, like a year and a half ago, because my view on this was that You know, as a nationalist, we've been throwing everything we can at the globalist system for years and years.
You know, you get things like Brexit, you get populism, you get Donald Trump, and it seems like no matter what you throw at this damn system, it learns and then it comes back at you and shuts you down.
And so when the virus first arrived, there was some of us, we were thinking, like, this is great because everything that makes the system strong is its kind of pathways.
It is the mass transportation of people and goods.
So if this is now jammed up and it can't operate because there's a deadly pandemic, a deadly virus is using it to travel around and kill millions of people, then it's going to have to collapse.
It's going to have, we're going to have to shut the borders and go back to a more simple, um, state where, and you, you look back now and you think, Oh God, if only.
You perfectly fool.
Yeah, so it wasn't the case at all.
They've took it to the next level.
They're going all in on it.
That was always the plan, wasn't it?
We now realize, I mean, and the virus is not really a virus, is it?
It's not the deadly virus they tell us it is.
It's just a kind of, it's just a notion.
It's a handy It's a handy pretext for doing all the bad stuff they've been wanting to do for decades.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was all a conspiracy.
It was, it was.
I must get you to talk about your video game analysis.
Tell us a bit about that.
Well, yeah, so it's a similar theme, is that So when you've got all of these techno geeks, I think they've got, as you were just saying, they've got a certain kind of soulless, number-crunching, mechanistic way of looking at the world, which is just, you know, we were talking just before about something like romantic paintings, like they would reduce that to data and information.
They don't, there's no religion, there's no spiritualism, there's nothing.
No, we're inputs and outputs, aren't we, basically?
Yes.
And that's how they think.
And they're proud of it as well.
They're proud of reducing the world to data, this soup of data.
And so when you look at what they have already been doing, if you look at, say, how something like Twitter, social media works, it is like social approvable.
It does have that little, give you a little dopamine hit, which comes with the like and social approval.
But then when you go into video games, It's a similar kind of thing.
It's a similar way you are owning the characters running around and you're controlling it and you progress.
There's something, a challenge will face you.
You've got to kill the boss.
You've got to solve the puzzle.
And then when you do it, you get a big dopamine hit and you move on to the next thing.
And it just jumped out at me that this is essentially what a social credit system is.
They've taken the same thing, the same mentality is now like turning our world into a giant video game which you'll star in.
The funny thing is they did this years ago they had Sims and these games came out years ago where it was you are like sort of living your life on the on in your computer and you had to like They give milk to the cats and things like this.
I mean, I'm not saying it was all preparation, but you can see that that mentality then comes into the real world.
Like Tron 2 is specifically about this.
The world of digital data will then impose itself on the organic natural world.
And they are saying, well, it doesn't even make any difference because at the end of the day, organic matter, we can reduce that to data as well.
Don't worry.
Yes.
Yes.
I like the bit where you were talking about where you unlock different achievements.
You've just had like your 40 second booster jab and you've got your, you've done, I mean I was watching UK column before and they were going on about the, it's now turning into like mix and match for vaccines.
Where, well, you've had the, you've had the kind of, you've had the AstraZeneca and now you're going to get, it's okay if you want to pump some Moderna in there.
Maybe it'll mix it up and make things even better.
Like, you know, when I was a kid, you had like, um, the pick and mix at Woolworths, where you'd get like, you'd get like toffee fudges and caramels and mints and stuff like that.
And then, and just, yeah, just whatever floats your boat.
Yeah.
Just pump it up.
Just keep pumping it in there.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
Unlock achievements.
You can now go to the pub.
You can go to a restaurant.
And if you haven't done that...
Yeah, the big one is being able to go and lie on a beach in Spain.
It's like, whoa, you've killed a major dragon at the end of the level.
And now you can do this.
But then when you get there, you're probably going to have to account for the gas that you burned in the airplane.
They'll take that into account for a future date.
Even the UBI, I mean, they talk about bringing this UBI in.
Let's say you get, like, I don't know what they would call it.
Maybe 250 clauses, as they call it that.
Like swabs.
Like swabs.
Anals!
So 250 Schwabs and it's got like his face on it, you know, a digital picture and he'll be on the head of the currency and even then they're talking about they'll give you like say 200 Schwabs a week but then if you don't spend it all it will get taken off you the next week.
So then you've got like a window of a week to spend your 200 Schwabs And they go, well, what do I buy?
What can I rent?
Because they're going to take it away.
So it keeps you in this kind of frantic mode of consumerism or you will lose it all.
It's like life as a video game forever and you'll never get out of it.
All you can do is just... I mean, a lot of people are saying how Blackpill they are now and I can't believe it.
I can bloody believe it.
Yes, yes.
Well, I wanted to run a theory by you, which I've never really discussed with anyone before.
But It's, look, I've gone from blue-pilled to red-pilled to black-pilled to white-pilled.
And I feel that I have never understood the world better than I do now.
Things that previously made no sense to me now make total sense.
And I think when you've sort of explored the various tunnels and side tunnels of the rabbit hole, what you realize is this.
that all these things that one considers to be to have been organic things that have things that have I mean um what's it called Alan Watt was quite good on this wasn't he when he was alive before before he got well I don't know whether he was off or not but um do you do you have any theories on that actually let's let's not get distracted um that
That things that we've been trained to think of as just naturally evolving organic things in our culture are actually really created top down by this very, very narrow
um elite which despises us which always has despised us and which wants to exploit us and and and almost wants to um to torture us you know as as flyers to wanton boys away to the gods they kill us for their sport i think that kind of sums up the mentality i wonder if shakespeare was shakespeare knew what was going on even then
For example, my early intimation of this was the global warming thing, the whole environmental scare.
And I looked at this stuff and I thought, well, hang on a second, given that there is no solid scientific evidence that the planet plant is warming in a kind of dangerous, unprecedented way, and that the human input is responsible, given there's no evidence of this at all, that it only exists in computer models, Why do so many people believe it?
And what's their motivation in lying about this important issue?
Why would they do this?
And of course, you then discovered documents like the Club of Rome's limits to growth, where They tell you why they're doing it.
They explain that they needed an excuse to do the things, the terrible things that they want to do, that we're seeing now.
So they kind of invented environmentalism, modern environmentalism, as their excuse.
They don't even, if you look at their documents, they don't even pretend that they're not lying to us.
But most people don't go that deep.
They just skitter around on the surface and believe the reports that they
you know they watch the BBC and they they see David Attenborough telling them that polar bears are endangered in a kind of whispery voice and and and you and you see baby polar bear coming out of the out of its its snow bank you know after after you know just after it's you know when it's ready when when when the spring is here and stuff and people just well I was thinking about about about this because of your what you were saying about the video games that
I thought of video games in the past as just a cool new form of entertainment, which we invented that was quite fun to do.
But looking back, I now realize it had another purpose as well, which is to turn us all into people who are used to staring at screens for great lengths of time and actually quite enjoy being on our own and not communicating with people.
I mean, this is all what they want, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, whether or not it was intended or not, or whether that was the flaw, it certainly is the case now.
But at least, it used to be where you would plug it into the television and that was it.
But now, I mean, I just found out recently, you know that show that everybody talks about, Black Mirror?
Yes.
I didn't actually, I knew it was called Black Mirror, but I didn't actually know why.
And from what I can gather, the Black Mirror is the screen on a laptop.
So that they, you know, have you, I mean, if I put my laptop on and I see my reflection and it always looks like horrible, I thought that was interesting.
So that it's like the Black Mirror is like the blank screen of the laptop.
That's what they're getting out there.
I thought that was interesting because it is just this void that you're kind of disappearing into.
So it was just as a little side note here.
But what I'll say, which drives me nuts, is the way the arguments are contained and framed.
And just as an example, because I know that you are... I think we got in touch after my P.S.
Morgan video.
And all of the shills are coming out, like, this weekend.
And I was watching Mike Graham.
You know him?
Yeah, yeah.
Talk radio.
And he was coming out yesterday and saying that racists need to be hunted down, they need to lose their bank accounts, bearing in mind that he has himself often been called a racist.
So they need to lose their bank accounts.
They need to lose their passports.
They need to be lose their houses.
They shouldn't be able to pay rent.
And then they have to get thrown out of their homes and basically just rot to death in the gutter.
And he's talking about what happened at the, with the football this week.
Yes.
And so now here's the thing.
Now I just thought like, this is weird because not even the left are coming out as extreme as this.
So what he could have done, and he has this thing where it's like, say it as it is, shock jock.
Now what he could have done, if he wanted to be genuinely kind of edgy, was to say it's all a bunch of overblown hype for political ends.
Calm down, it's not that bad.
But he couldn't do that because it would probably destroy his career, but he still has to come across as if he's kind of speaking it, saying it as it is, and being straightforward, take no shit kind of guy.
So what he has to do is then kind of solves be even more extreme against the kind of these stupid lads sending these stupid tweets than what the left are because then he can at least frame himself in some kind of edgy way.
But what he's really doing there is just compounding the problem because they want to kick us all off the internet anyway.
Yes.
It isn't like some clever play.
It's just doing the establishment's bidding.
Yes, yes.
I mean, we should maybe close on this because this is rather interesting, isn't it?
We're talking about the Euros and the England-Italy match.
And I have to say, I was rooting for Italy.
Not because I don't love my country or I love the idea of my country, but because I could see that had England won, it would have resulted in a sort of orgy of, well, I mean, you could see when Gareth Southgate chose those three young ethnic minority players to take the penalties, even though they had They were really young and inexperienced.
One of them was 19.
I think he had never taken a penalty in an international match before or even in a major match.
Why would you do that?
He was going for the optics, wasn't he?
He was going for the optics that if England had won its biggest football victory since the 1966 World Cup, then the papers would have been all over this.
This is the new Britain.
This is what it looks like.
And it looks like these brave boys here.
Look at them who scored the goals.
That backfired when they missed, as probably they were bound to do because of the pressure.
So instead the narrative became, because I think they were preparing two narratives, one the narrative if England had won, and the other narrative if England lost, as they did.
And the narrative when England lost was Look at these outrageous racist racists.
How racist are they?
They're so racist.
They're more racist than you can shake a stick at.
And their criticisms of these players are entirely racially motivated.
And they seem to reduce this from a really, really small number of tweets.
Many of them seem to come from abroad.
It was almost like they were created in order to generate this public reaction.
And it amazed me how many people, how many commentators, you know you mentioned Mike Graham, how many sort of conservative commentators embrace this particular narrative even though it was utterly dishonest and there was very little evidence to support it.
Yeah, so you find that you're voiceless because everybody's just a puppet.
Now they're coming out and saying that being anonymous on the internet should be abolished completely.
Piers Morgan came out and said it yesterday and these kind of Tory twats.
It's just, whatever they say is a kind of really clever way of, like, it's a kind of cope for people on the right, because I can imagine them thinking like, yeah, because you see, implicit in Mike Graham's kind of outrage is that most of his audience will be footy fans, so it's like, take the side of the sort of the multicultural narrative over the sort of questioning it.
At every turn, they'll reinforce it.
That's all they ever do.
And it's horrible.
It's like, I mean, what we're going through now is the same kind of PR exercise that we got, which was after the Manchester Arena bombing, where again, they were like, and this time they had it planned out.
They've got contingency plans.
I've done a couple of videos on this.
But it's kind of, they can expect that there'll be a terrorist attack because they have created the conditions for it to happen.
So they can expect that they have, you know, deliberately created a multicultural society, which will result in somewhere or other bombs going off.
So girls will be blown to pieces at a concert because of choices that the establishment made against the will of the people.
And so anyway, the bomb goes off and they've got a problem because it could be that John Bolingishman has finally had enough and there's going to be very unpleasant things happen.
So they already had that off at the pass with the Manchester Arena bombing and they roll out that don't look back in anger campaign.
And they had all kind of Imams, they had all these religious leaders on speed dial.
So they were like rounded up and then we'll come out.
Now it's a celebration of love.
So you go to the football now and they've got murals up of like these three football, these black footballers.
And it's got not, it's just a way of pounding and pounding into the heads of normal English people.
Know your place.
This is how to think.
Shut your mouth.
It's the exact same kind of PR exercise again and again and again.
Yes.
So in this particular case, I don't, I think they would have, you know, they kind of did an emergency rollout, but in some of them they had, they were in place.
I'd be interested to know on the issue of the COVID, because we got it full, you know, it really, the dragon really kind of unfurled its wings on the COVID PR, dancing tick knock nurses.
So you have to, this is another thing, like surely that takes planning.
Or was it when they got the call from, as Dominic Cummins said, the Bill Gates Foundation, and they knew what the crack was, what was going on, was it then like, okay, we're going to have to go full bore on propaganda at the PR level?
Or was this kind of, you know, how does this all fit together?
The propaganda is the central plank in the agenda.
It doesn't really matter which one it is.
And so we get this feeling, I think, that normal people, they kind of feel that something's wrong.
They feel that something's unnatural.
And it's because it is.
It's because you're bombarded with messaging over and over again.
I saw a bus Recently.
I don't know why it was.
And I thought, isn't that weird?
That bus looks different.
And it didn't have a kind of, there is some new global homo Netflix drama.
Normally you'll get like a big poster on the side of the bus.
But in this particular case, there was nothing on.
It was just a blank bus.
And I thought, bloody hell, isn't that amazing?
It's just a bus.
It's just a bus that's taking people from where they want to go and it doesn't have a political slogan on it.
It's not trying to make me feel guilty.
It's not trying to send me a message.
It's just a bus and it's wonderful.
Yeah, it ain't natural seeing such things.
I mean, yeah, you're right.
When was the last time?
I could chat to you for hours.
In fact, we've got to do another podcast.
Tell me, by the way, why do people, before we go, why were people saying, oh, a bit edgy getting Morgoth on your podcast?
And why were people saying, oh, you wouldn't dare have Morgothorn.
Well, I don't get the deal.
Why should I be...?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm just a humble YouTuber.
Yeah.
I know.
It's silly, isn't it?
We live in a silly world.
I mean, I judge people on what they say and on the quality of their ideas.
That's the only thing that matters to me.
I mean, if people can support a case, then that's...
That's fine.
And you can, you can support your arguments.
So that's, you know, that's all I, all I require.
In my Delingpole Oxford tutorial that I've just given you, I've just subjected you to, because you never had it.
So that was it.
That was your experience of what it's been like being taught by Dr. Delingpole.
All right.
No, thanks.
Thanks, Morgoth.
You've given me lots of clever things to think about, and I appreciate that.
Oh, yes, the thing I never do, or I should do at the beginning and I always forget.
I listen to other people's podcasts, And there is so much throat clearing at the end.
I mean, I listened to this podcast that somebody recommended the other day, and it's like, you have to wade through about 20 minutes of promo, of throat clearing.
People just don't cut to the chase, do they?
Which is one of the reasons I don't do the promo myself, and I should do, because this is how you make money.
So please, everyone, even though I don't do the promo at the beginning, please, please, please support my work on Patreon and Subscribestar or via dellingpoleworld.com where you can buy your special friend badges and give me PayPal donations.
Thank you very much.
I love you all, possibly especially the ones who support me financially, because you make this possible.
And thank you again, Morgoth.
You've been brilliant.
Lovely, thank you very much for having me on.
I've enjoyed it.
Good, good.
Well, we'll do it again.
Thanks again.
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