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Dec. 25, 2020 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Just a moment ago, you emailed me, you WhatsAppped me, saying that our most recent podcast had had 10,000 views, which is actually really good.
And I think it reflects.
I get messages and you get them, I'm sure.
People saying, you are my last bit, the last voices of sanity.
You keep me sane.
And I think that we are, we provide a service to a lot of people out there who are just looking around and they thought, I thought 2020 was getting pretty weird at the beginning, but now I just, I'm, I'm at sea.
I cannot believe what is going on.
I mean, you must be feeling it right now in London with tier four.
Yeah.
Well, though, I think because no, I mean, it's bad.
It's really bad.
And I think we'd already done sort of minimum Christmas, you know, not because not because we're afraid of the virus, but because of the hassle factor.
You know, normally my parents might have come over from Ireland, but, you know, months ago it was I think if you follow the papers and you follow the news like we do, you can feel the momentum.
And although on the Wednesday, you know, Boris is like, no, no, we'll be inhuman, inhuman to cancel Christmas.
Even I was quite shocked then on Saturday when he's like, yeah, we're going to cancel Christmas.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Sorry about that.
Sorry about the fact that you've got massive turkey in your freezer that now you can't eat with just four people.
I mean, what he did on Saturday, and again, it'd be easy for me to say makes no difference to my life, was so wrong.
And I mean, I think I tweeted in that people will never forgive him for this.
If you're anti-lockdown like you and me, you know, he's completely, we will never forgive him ever.
But even if you're sort of pro-lockdown, I don't think you'll forgive the incompetence.
You know, to actually and I say, how cruel can you be that on Wednesday you say, yeah, it's fine.
It's definitely going ahead.
And then on Saturday to call to call a press conference at four o'clock and just say, you know, not even for if you're if you're in tier four, not even OK, you can have one day with one family.
Right.
Which would have been an option.
But to to say not nothing to essentially issue a stay at home lockdown order.
I mean, it's just, it is cruel.
As he said in his own words, it is inhuman.
But I think a lot of it, as I said before, the cruelty is the point.
And people get upset with me about that.
Like, oh, you know, I don't think they're doing it on purpose.
And I don't think they're being mean on purpose.
And I'm like, why?
I mean, you know, fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
I mean, look at what they're doing.
But I think the reality It's too scary for people.
The reality that there really might be malevolent forces behind this is actually too frightening.
So that's why I tell you, Laura, I've I've experienced this recently.
You probably didn't listen to my most recent podcast with with Toby.
Yeah.
But there has developed a rift between us because Toby, in my view, is still we still get on and Toby, in my view, is he's he's stuck in the old world, the world that no longer exists.
You know, he still wants to talk about about, oh, I don't think that there's anything there's no conspiracy involved.
I believe in cock up.
And it's just, it's just kind of misguided, incompetent ministers trying to cover their tracks.
Which was an argument which would have made sense early in the year.
I mean, it would have been the most obvious conclusion rather than the idea that there was some kind of grand overarching conspiracy.
The problem is that I think what a lot of people don't realise is that what we're experiencing now in England, in the UK, is being experienced in Germany.
is being experienced in a lot of them.
I mean, particularly the blue states in America and anywhere with a kind of Democrat governor or whatever is subject to this.
California being the obvious example, you know, Gavin Newsom.
People living in France are having it.
People living in Italy, in Germany.
This is coordinated.
And unfortunately, once you realize it's coordinated, you then have to ask Well, why is it coordinated and what is the end goal?
And when you reach the point where you realise that this globalist movement is deliberately, deliberately trying to destroy small, medium-sized businesses in order to hand over the economic power, total economic power to the big corporations, to the big tech companies, to Amazon and so on.
People have a choice at that point.
They either go, I don't want to know this is too scary, or they embrace the truth and start wondering how to take action before we get so completely oppressed and under the control of this new force that we won't be in a position to resist.
Now, where are you at this stage?
Well, I mean, I don't even know if I've gone as far as it must be a coordinated between the countries, but I definitely think I mean, I think Matt Hancock is dangerous.
I could still think maybe Boris is just is just foolish and stupid and he doesn't really know what is going on.
Matt Hancock, he's a psychopath.
You know, I mean, he was on.
So I'm going to get a bit more religious and talk about dark forces and things.
There's a few things.
So Matt Hancock is on your TV on Sundays.
Again, I only watch the clip.
And he's basically saying people act like you're sick.
Assume you're ill.
I mean, this is essentially Munchausen disease by proxy on the entire population.
You know, to have a government minister out there labelling people as sick, as, you know, disease spreaders, wear a mask, That itself is sick.
He is a psychopath.
And then the other issues of cruelty.
Again, I mean, this is completely narcissistic behavior.
And that, again, three days, three on the Wednesday, they say to people, everything is fine.
So everybody stays calm.
They'll travel at the weekend.
And then they obviously cancel everything and people flee London like refugees.
OK, so you're now a refugee.
or an internally displaced person in London, in St Pancras.
And the neck of Matt Hancock, having caused that to turn around and say, oh, it's just they're so irresponsible.
This is seriously, this is abuse of husband stuff.
You know, they act incredibly cruelly.
They push the wife to the limit.
Then she does something and it's like, you're so irresponsible.
This is mind games.
This is gaslighting.
I mean, the man is sick.
He is dangerous.
He's causing mental illness, I think, across, you know, in the thousands.
He wants to push people to despair.
And this is what sociopaths do.
They act completely unreasonably, but they somehow make it seem that you are the problem.
So staying on the same pancreas thing.
And you know all the polling, of course, of course, is for Tier 4.
Huge support for it, close to 70%.
But I said, I said this on Twitter, I said, I reckon if you commissioned a poll and said the army should go into St Pancras and shoot some of the, shoot those people who are leaving, you would get at least 20 to 30 people percent saying, yeah, had to be done.
It's a mutant virus.
You know, people like to think they're decent people.
No, no, no, no.
It's very shallow.
If they think they're at risk, my safety is at risk from these disease spreading, you know, people from London.
Sure, shoot them.
I mean, you know, I could get Covid here.
I know you wouldn't get anyone.
I ran that poll.
I mean, I don't know if people were joking on Twitter.
Eighty three percent of people said, yes, yeah, the army should go in.
83%.
Now, I don't know if they were joking, obviously.
But yeah, so that's the first thing.
And then the other thing is the chaotic nature of everything.
You know, so again, you have people fleeing, going to St Pancras.
And I was in my Waitrose today.
I'll admit it.
Oh, the Stilton and the champagne sold out online, by the way.
I'm sorry, viewers.
So.
That's more bad news.
Anyway, the queue.
I mean, I was just picking up something was, I mean, insane.
So these.
So they.
So Boris goes and makes the create internally displaced people within the country.
Then he says we're essentially a plague island and it's a surprise that the French have decided to close the port.
And I'm not going to blame the French.
I don't care.
Maybe they're playing politics.
Maybe they aren't.
You clown country.
You must have known this would happen.
And now there's thousands of lorry drivers down there sleeping in their cabs with hardly any food.
So, you know, what this is, is a sense of chaos.
And the dark forces, that's what they like, is chaos.
So, you know, You know, God, I would say, likes order.
And if you're a Conservative, you like order.
OK, you know where you are.
Can you take the dog out?
You know where you are and you, you know, you can plan ahead.
You've got things to look forward to.
I'm going to get on my train at four o'clock and I'm going to go and see my parents and it's going to be very civilised.
No dark forces like Like, like the chaos, like the anxiety, like the stress.
And that's exactly what we've seen in the last four to five days.
And it's a psychological attack, arguably, on the population, perhaps, probably to prepare them for even worse measures.
And it will certainly go tier four pretty much across the whole country.
And you've already seen Priti Patel.
Yeah.
I like, but she's not, she's not very bright.
She's, she's, I mean, she's been putting out these tweets saying that, threatening to escalate, escalate.
Look, she's the Home Secretary.
She's in charge of the police.
She's in charge of this two tier system whereby if you're out for Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, you get a free pass.
But if you're protesting against the most fascistic government policy in, in, in, in our history, well, certainly since, since the Commonwealth, Yeah, then you are going to get arrested and beaten up.
I was also thinking about, I mean, for all this to be possible, this is this has got to have been a long time in the making.
And, you know, before in podcast before we've talked about in a kind of isn't it curious way, the fact that your your website, Conservative Woman, is pretty much the only The only website talking about, well, that believes that the presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump, which it was.
I mean, there's copious evidence for it.
It's not a question of whether it was stolen.
It's merely a question of will the courts agree to hear this?
Now, I found this puzzling.
I thought that this was just Trump derangement syndrome.
But I think it's more coordinated than that.
I think that the mainstream media, and unfortunately, the badly compromised alternative media, I mean, look at Guido Fawkes.
Guido Fawkes has given up doing his job.
He's just a kind of government mouthpiece.
He poses as this kind of crazy, crazy, edgy critic.
He's not.
He's part of the establishment.
But I think that The media has been at war with Trump because it recognises that he sees that the mainstream media has failed.
It hasn't been doing its job for a long time and he's called it out.
He's constantly talking about the failed stream media and so on.
And he's absolutely right.
So there's no love lost between them.
But I think that this globalist takeover, because that's what it is, It depends in part on a media effectively brainwashing the public into thinking that this pandemic is real, that Trump is bad and that he lost.
I don't like ever wavering in the face of the enemy.
I think it's really, really important that we gather our strength and our courage.
I mean, it's quite tough right now, isn't it?
It is.
It's very tough.
I mean, it's very tough.
I mean, the media have just been essentially a mouthpiece.
For the government.
They are a scandal.
So I didn't read my Sunday Times until the very late at night.
Again, I read it so you don't have to.
But I took an overview of it.
At the end of it, I sat back and I said, you know, this is the biggest thing that's happened since, again, I don't know.
Essentially, he's trashed the plans for millions of people.
And from the opinion pieces to the news was just like, oh, well, you know, the worst thing was, again, the opposition comes from either he's not.
These are their three lines.
He's not strict enough.
He's not locked down strict enough.
The compensation, the money isn't big enough.
And he's incompetent.
That's the opposition line.
It's never, this is a scam.
Let's look at the PCR tests.
Why are they mass testing?
How bad really is it?
What's the fatality rate?
On what basis are they admitting people?
I mean, it's just, it's just a scandal to have a media so, so poor.
I mean, one of the opinion pieces was a bit like, yeah, I mean, it's just, this is her phrase, it's going to be a freaky Christmas, you know, but don't get too upset.
Don't be so upset about it, Gladys.
You know, you're just like... When the scrutiny is that poor, you do begin to think, is it actually coordinated?
Because there's loads of lines they could take.
Loads, right?
Even if they're still, again, generally for the measures.
What is happening with these PCR tests?
What is happening with the COVID passport thing?
Which the fact that they put a contract out for that was broken on Twitter.
You know, I mean, this is who who is making the money.
Someone is making a lot of money from this.
Right.
But, you know, it's hardly ever covered in the papers.
And you're just like this is just all they do is push the government line, prepare everybody for ever stricter measures and then just and then give out a little bit about the incompetence and then they just move on.
You know, I agree.
It's ridiculous.
But I'll tell you what.
Sorry.
For any halfway decent journalist, this would have been the year that offered the richest pickings any journalist has ever had the joy of being able to grab hold of.
I mean, you think about it.
There's the massive scandal of the government's extremely corrupt spending on PPE.
There's the fact that a lot of cheap, readily available cures for coronavirus were were actually not really you weren't really banned from talking about them on on social media by by the big tech companies.
Yeah, but governments actually intervene to stop these hydroxychloroquine being the obvious one in France, actually, on the say so of the World Health Organization, we think the word health and its name might might encourage it to look after people's health, but no, The World Health Organization effectively banned the use of the most effective cure against coronavirus.
Why?
Well, then you go on to the vaccines.
There should be stories every single day about the side effects of the vaccines, about anaphylaxis, about the dangers of rush vaccines, about the dangers of RNA-based vaccines.
There should be pieces every day about the Great Reset.
I haven't seen a single one anywhere in the media about the reset.
It's like, and it's a bit like, it's a bit like the Eloi and the Morlocks in War of the Worlds.
It seems to me that we've got a Morlock class at the top, comprising people like Bill Gates and comprising the sort of the players in the World Health Organization and so on.
And these are just feeding on the flesh of these innocent airy fairy dupes writing pieces like, ooh, isn't Christmas, as you say, isn't Christmas going to be a bit wacky this year?
The BBC, I just saw on Twitter, have an article, how to enjoy Christmas on your own.
How to have a fun Christmas on your own.
You know, what's wrong with you?
Like what?
You're the BBC.
This is journalism, it is.
I mean, no, it's scandalous.
But in terms of, because I did see a comment on, I mean, but the fact that they're essentially in lockstep does raise, certainly has alarm bells ringing for me.
But I did see one of the comments below.
I was like, well, I mean, these podcasts are good, but it's really covering all ground now.
What are we going to do?
What are we going to do?
So the only solution, I mean, what has to happen, James, this is all I can think of, and I think involves Lord Sumption, basically all of the anti-lockdown Conservative MPs have to resign.
OK, I don't want to hear them tweeting about how sad they are, right?
You saw that as well.
They're really sad.
I don't want Steve Baker telling me that he's tried every option, but regrettably he's going to have to take a lot.
No, I don't want your emotions.
They did vote against, I think they did vote against it the last time, but they actually need to resign from the party.
And you need someone completely above reproach and that hasn't been involved in Brexit and isn't tainted by any of that.
Somebody like someone incredibly articulate and respected like Lord Sumption.
And they set up their own, you know, anti lockdown party.
And the only the only aim is to Yes, stop these lockdowns and vote against these lockdowns.
That's all I can think of, because the MPs, I mean, they're the ones with the power.
Still, they have a little bit of power.
They're the ones with the vote.
And because the mainstream media is so poor at the moment, you're not going to get a groundswell of public opinion necessarily changing it.
I mean, they've extended the furlough until April.
So their plans are clear.
And I mean, so the other thing about this tier four, which is essentially a lockdown, because remember, the previous time Matt Hancock was like, look, please, can we get this second lockdown?
Because you'll get another vote on any further lockdowns, you know, just just just vote for this.
And then because they have this has been done by statutory instruments.
Right.
It hasn't even like it hasn't even had a vote by Parliament.
I mean, it's it is a scandal and it's been done by statutory instrument and they can do all of this.
They can call it a tier five and they won't need another vote.
So, I mean, I'm wondering what more will it take for Graham Brady and the rest of them to to because they're just being taken by fools.
I mean, tactically, the thing is.
Yeah.
The thing is, Laura, that that until they accept What is going on?
Yeah, they are never going to, they're never going to summon up the radical will to do what is necessary to do.
They're still acting as though, yes, well, I suppose if the SAGE committee tells us this, then we should do blah, blah, blah, rather than going, the SAGE committee is run by communists.
They are completely on board with this, this global takeover.
We cannot Other countries may allow themselves to be to be suborned in this way, but we're the United Kingdom.
We had an empire.
We're great.
We're not going to do this to our people.
It's really as simple as that.
So long as you've got people like Guido Fawkes, this kind of controlled opposition, writing pieces like, I think James Dellingpole has completely lost the plot.
He's tinfoil hat.
Merely for doing the job of pointing out that there is copious evidence that the US presidential election was stolen.
It's just not good enough.
It's like something out of... In fact, what it is, and we've mentioned this before, this is gaslighting.
This is the kind of thing that goes on in totalitarian states like the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union, if you were saying things that were inconvenient to the hegemony, then either you were shot in the back of the head, or you were exiled to the gulag, or you were put in a mental hospital.
And we've seen this already happening to, for example, scientists in France or Germany, who've been critical of the COVID agenda, and have been put away in loony bins.
And this is what they want to do to me is what they want to do to you as well.
And it's why we offer such a resource to all those people.
I mean, I'll bet that this will get more than 10,000 next time.
You know, people need to know what's going on and they're not getting it from the media.
Yeah, no, I know.
I mean, it is a massive transfer of wealth.
And they just from from, as you say, they're designed to destroy middle and working class communities, particularly the middle class, I'm afraid, because they they are you know, they're the ones that produce most of the wealth.
It's yeah, it is completely controlled opposition.
As you say, they spend more time attacking people who seem a little bit on the, you know, you're a little bit too extreme for us than they do, you know, looking at the government agenda.
Or they'll attack some obscure Labour MP somewhere who once wrote an article, you know, 15 years ago that was a little bit fruity.
You know, like we're past that stage.
You know, I don't I don't care about those people.
The threat is in Downing Street right now.
And you get a lot of this.
Oh, the French.
So now you know how they're the French clothes.
Give me a break.
The French aren't the problem.
Yes.
They are not the problem.
Oh, how dare they close the port?
You were the one that called us a plague island.
Why don't you criticise?
I mean, a lot of them are completely bought and sold.
They would defend Boris over anything.
It's just, it's just pathetic.
And I think a lot of it also is denial.
We can talk about, I don't know, you know, some of the viewers may or may not have seen your friend Toby Young, who had an article in the Spectator, you know, saying, my poor friend James, he's gone.
He's gone to the dark side.
And I texted you, you know, because he had a very interesting piece where he said, but James isn't able to tell me, like, to what ends, you know, to what ends is this great reset other than enslavement?
And I'm like, what, enslavement isn't enough?
I mean, I think, you know, I don't want to be enslaved.
Yeah, they just want you to be sort of drones.
If we could just be drones and just sort of get through on the Netflix and stuff like that, then they're happy.
But they don't want any serious pushback.
They don't want anybody to be too difficult to handle.
Daily Mail, actually.
But they don't want any serious pushback.
They don't want anybody to be too difficult to handle.
It's disgraceful.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
That whole controlled opposition thing whereby, you know, Douglas Murray is a hero.
Toby Young is a hero.
They do so much.
And I give them as examples precisely because they are so heroic.
And yet they have not gone that extra mile.
They don't want to go there.
Because they recognise that in order to have their mainstream media careers, they have to toe the line, in the same way that talk radio hosts do.
You know, talk radio is pretty good, but they've still got their producer whispering in their ear saying, do point out, won't you, that James Dellingpole is not representative, and do mention that there are other points of view, because otherwise our listeners might imagine that Yeah, crackpot was, um, yeah, how to handle on the truth, but I find it really boring.
I do this.
I look, I do think people are genuinely they just it's too frightening to think there could be like that this could be serious, that we're not talking about a little bit of a lockdown here until Easter.
But we're talking about, you know, a serious transfer of wealth and a significant or perhaps total loss of freedoms, you know, until somebody until somebody man's up and does something about it.
You know, I mean, the level of restriction now is you basically can't do anything other than just consume and sort of stay in the house.
I was reminded, actually, that this is, you know, the Great Reset, somebody pointed out, is not 1984.
It's Brave New World.
That's the technocratic cult.
And of course, what they're giving us right now is SOMA.
We still get our Netflix works fine.
We can still go to Waitrose and get our champagne more or less.
You know, we can still... All those comfy hygge things that we've been brainwashed into thinking constitute a lived life.
They're all fine.
We're a bit like sort of Kobe beef cattle.
We're being fed on beer and we're given massages every day.
Meanwhile, what we don't realise is that we're in this pen.
And we're being fattened for the slaughter.
And that's it.
And that's happening.
It's the economic illiteracy of people.
Do they not understand that when Rishi says now he's going to extend the furlough into what?
Into spring?
Do they not ask themselves, well, hang on a second, where is this money going to come from?
Given that the productive sector of the economy, the private sector, Yeah, it's more than two trillion now, I think.
The public, the public data was announced today.
Like it's, it's, it's just crazy.
The levels, what they are doing is, I mean, it is evil.
They are destroying the country economically.
They're destroying it socially.
They're destroying your civil liberties.
They're destroying your way of life.
And people say, oh, it's only money.
No, this is people's ability to work.
You know, this is people's ability to run their business.
You know, I mean, as I've said before... And to have autonomy over their lives, to have self-esteem, to do what they're meant to do, which is to look after their families, give them a better life.
This is all being taken away in the space of what, 18 months?
We're going to be put on, a lot of these people are going to be put on this universal basic income.
Everyone's going to be in hock to the government, dependent on the government.
And then it's game over.
How do we, how do we, how do we come back from that?
Yeah, I mean, I said, I mean, you are right that it is very much like Brave New World, but I did, I watched, I watched 1984 the other night.
I've of course read the book a few times, but the, the old-ish version, there's an old film version of it on Prime.
And obviously it looks quite different because actually they are all very poor and everything's very, You know, everybody's wearing the same clothes and obviously he's changing the headlines, which pretty much sometimes happens here.
You know, we'll put James Dellingpole down the memory hole.
You'll be an un-person soon.
But I, you know, I didn't.
So obviously, yeah.
So there's obviously all the tellies and the screens and they're everywhere.
You can't get a minute's peace.
And I did think I mean, that really is what we have now.
You know, you've got your Good Morning Britain and your Sky and they're just pumping this propaganda all the time.
So then we're at war with, you know, in 1984, you're at war with Eurasia, but now we're at war with the virus and it never ends.
And we won against Eurasia, but now these other guys are fighting.
Oh, but we almost beat the first COVID virus, but it's mutated.
Sorry.
So the war continues.
I'm like, I like this in a way you got to hand it to them.
I mean, it's just genius to choose a virus.
First of all, you can't see it.
It's everywhere and it makes everybody the enemy.
You know, everybody's unclean.
And then it can change, right?
You know, so you need stricter, you need stricter enforcement.
Oh, there's a mutant virus.
And I have to say that mutant virus, James, I mean, it really did come along in the nick of time to cancel Christmas, right?
I mean, it was just in time for Christmas.
It's a Christmas miracle!
No, look, I mean, it probably did mutate because that's what bad colds do.
All the time.
And that's all that this is.
And actually, when they mutate, they get less severe, don't they?
Because if you're a virus, you want to stay alive.
And the best thing to do is actually be mild, right?
Because you can infect more people.
But whereas if you're the Black Death and you infect someone and they drop dead in 30 minutes, then that's the end for you, Mr. Virus.
So the ones that, you know that about viruses, right?
They mutate until they're less severe because then they can spread more easily, right?
Because you're carrying a mask with bells on.
Oh, we've lost.
We're back.
Laura and I are just going to, because that last section of the podcast, the brump of it ended rather abruptly.
And I didn't want you to think that we've been got by MI5 yet.
Obviously, that will probably come at some stage.
But yeah, for the moment, we still have a semblance of free speech.
And I just wanted to say also sorry for the really terrible like reception and I don't know.
Is it yours or mine, Laura?
It's not mine.
I refuse to believe it's mine.
It could.
Well, OK.
Well, well, it could be mine.
And I apologise.
And I don't know what to do about that because I live in the country.
And as you can see behind me, I haven't even I haven't even bothered.
I haven't even bothered to put the lights on, even though I know I'm sort of marred in gloom here now.
But, you know, you can see you can see the England that Laura and I are A fighting form.
We don't want to.
We don't want to lose.
We don't want the new normal.
We want our world back.
The normal world.
We want Western civilization back.
Yes.
Don't you agree?
Yes.
Well, that's Tolkien's England, I think you've got there behind you.
I'm waiting for a hobbit to just run past your window.
I've got lots of sheep, lots and lots of sheep.
By the way, did you see, this is quite amusing, since we last spoke, you know, so I mentioned that Guido had tried to ridicule me and saying that James Downing Poe has completely lost it and because he thinks the idiot that Trump won the election and that it was stolen by Biden.
I mean, what a fool.
And interestingly, he's got ratioed, if you know what that means, by his fan base.
They've all Yeah, you've turned into the Guardian.
I've heard.
Yeah.
I can understand.
I can imagine that.
Yeah.
Because his fan base is arguably quite hardcore.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hear you.
I hear you.
But I don't I probably like you.
I don't want to be the the the pivot point of of of the revolution.
I don't want to be.
You know, I don't want to be Trotsky.
I don't want to be, you know, I don't want to be leading the revolution.
But it just seems to me that people are ducking their responsibilities.
And that can't be good.
Well, you know, tyranny, all it requires is people not to fight.
No, I know.
I know.
No, it's it's been it's been disappointing.
I think unless until it becomes sort of personal, very personal.
And I don't know what it would I don't know what it would take for for people really to to start saying, actually, we don't agree with this lockdown.
But, you know, they're frightening people with this.
You know, mutant virus, but that's the general public.
But as for people, you know, yeah, on the rise in our world, yeah, they need to man up.
I don't know what's taking them so long.
It's ridiculous.
The thing is that people with the small businesses which are about to be destroyed, if they haven't been destroyed already, what they may not be aware of while they're cowering at their homes with their masks and believing the government propaganda is the point will come where they have no business.
They have no source of income other than the government's handouts.
Yeah.
And what are they going to do then?
I mean, that one of the reasons that I always I'm very conscious of money is that one badly needs what's known as fuck off money.
You need you need money to enable you to do to give you the security to do what you need to do.
Yeah, you can't, you can't, you can't fight the revolution from a, from a monastery on a diet of bread and water.
You kind of need, yeah, okay, but you need, you need a degree of security.
How do people think, if they're not willing to fight now, how, how much harder do they think it's going to be in six months time when Unless they behave themselves, they won't get any money from the government.
How does that work?
People need to wise up.
Yeah, I think the government will keep paying them until, you know, something really substantial happens.
Yeah, yeah, the money runs out or the international markets say we're not buying the debt anymore or whatever it might be.
So as long as the gravy train keeps going, you know, they will keep going.
But as I said, you know, I was going through a local town near me And this is just after the restaurants had closed and everything.
And, you know, they had all made such an effort in terms of their Christmas decorations and inviting people in.
And I really do think preventing people from working, it's a form of humiliation.
You know, it's a form of how can we humiliate you by, you know, locking you out of your own your own small business, your own restaurant?
And it'll either be, you know, they'll only be able to buy them off for so long, I think, until they become really miserable and say, actually, you cannot stop me from working.
It is, as I said, it's a form of inhumane and degrading treatment.
And I'm not doing it anymore.
I'm glad you made that point because that was the final one I'd meant to make in the earlier section and didn't, which is that I know somebody whose husband supplies the restaurant industry with everything from cooking equipment to wholesale booze and food and stuff.
And she was telling me it's awful.
These businesses have ordered all their food, all their drink up for Christmas, ready for their anticipated desperate market, desperate for some entertainment after a year of lockdown.
And this was going to be a massive money spinner for them.
And then suddenly, just like that, in order to cover up from his cock-ups with Brexit or whatever nefarious Reasons you want to attribute it to him.
Boris has just gone and snatched that away from them.
I can't imagine how it must feel to be in the hospitality industry right now.
I mean, it must be devastating.
But again, you know, the chaos and the cruelty, that is probably the point for them.
And I mean, the thing is that they're not going to allow them open for at least another two or three months.
And then they might let them open for a short time and then they'll just close them down again.
You know, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they're already saying, you know, they've already saying Easter.
And that's the thing.
Not only did they put everybody in tier four, they also managed to drop in like literally 24 hours later.
Oh yeah.
And this will be until Easter, by the way.
Not, not till two weeks.
This is, this is, you know, get used to it.
Um, because of this.
Yeah.
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, yeah.
And then it's going to be prepping.
They're going to prep the rest of the country for Tier 4 and then they'll probably shut the secondary schools as well for a good measure.
You know, it's terrible.
Well, Laura, I think we should just wish all our listeners, and by the way, thank you.
I'm really chuffed and touched that so many people have really latched onto our show because we never planned to do a regular thing.
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's because you're genuine and you're, you know, we're not, we're not towing anybody's line and we certainly haven't been, we haven't been bought.
So you're getting, you're getting the real deal.
And, you know, again, you wish you could do more, but people need to wake up.
Look, it is, it is very, very serious.
It's serious and it is an overarching, you know, I don't know if they really, they haven't sat down in a darkened room, but it's an overarching plan here to really crush the spirit, I think.
And, you know, people's ability to work in Western civilisation, it's a scandal.
And, you know, but People have gone along with it for so long and they've been frightened, truly terrified.
And now with this extra mutant strain that they they're getting away with it so far.
You know, it's sad.
It is sad.
They are getting away with it.
Yeah, they are.
Because I think all that remains, Laura, is to wish all our viewers and listeners a very happy Christmas.
Yes, indeed.
And a better year than this one.
Well, yeah.
Well, I'll speak to you after Christmas and have a good time with your family.
We need a year of courage.
That's what we need.
People need to start being courageous.
OK.
OK.
Have a great Christmas, James.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
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