Nov. 11, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Why Millions Want a New California | Can Article IV Save America?
Dr. Jerome Corsi welcomes Paul Preston, host of Agenda 21 Radio (A21R.com) and leader of the New California State movement, for an in-depth discussion on America’s political realignment, the national rise of separatist sentiment, and the growing threat to constitutional governance.Preston explains why California’s political system is failing, how decades of corruption, crime, and one-party control pushed communities to take bold action—and why the New California State movement is invoking Article IV, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution to lawfully establish a new state.Dr. Corsi and Paul analyze:✅ How California devolved into a one-party-controlled, lawless state✅ Why millions of citizens are demanding constitutional self-governance✅ The dramatic rise of far-left urban power centers in America✅ Whether other states may soon follow this model✅ New California’s constitutional strategy and election process✅ The cultural & demographic pressures pushing national breakup✅ What happens if the U.S. military must step in to protect electionsThey also examine:– Why failed elections & mass migration are driving separatist energy nationwide– How the Founders anticipated corrupt states—and provided a remedy– Parallels to West Virginia’s lawful creation during the Civil WarIf you value what we are doing, please support our partners:• MyVitalC — https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/• Swiss America — https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpThis is one of the most important conversations yet about the future of the American republic.📌 GuestPaul Preston — Host of Agenda 21 RadioWebsite: https://a21r.com📌 Hosted byDr. Jerome CorsiCorsi Nation • Truth & Commentary • Constitutional Education🔎 Learn more and join the fight to preserve freedom.📍 Website: CorsiNation.com📩 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@CorsiNation#CorsiNation #PaulPreston #NewCalifornia #DrCorsi #Agenda21 #ElectionReform #ArticleIV #ConstitutionalRights #Statehood #Secession #NationalSecurity #StatesRights #2026Election #PoliticalRealignmentBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
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We have a special guest with us today, Paul Preston.
Paul is a good friend.
Paul, welcome to the show.
Paul has been active broadcasting, doing podcasts and broadcasting for about 22 years.
And his Agenda 21 radio is quite popular.
There it is right there, Agenda 21 radio.
The website is a21r.com, the letter A, the number 21radio.com.
And Paul's also very active in the new California state, which we want to talk about.
This is a big movement that I think is beginning to happen with the various states thinking about breaking up conservative and liberal.
The liberals go their own crazy way and trying to not cope with them any longer.
But Paul and I have become friends over the years.
Paul, it's always a great pleasure to talk with you again.
I'm looking forward to the discussion.
Well, Jerome, thanks for having me on your show.
This really is an honor to be on your show.
Well, let's just start out.
We've got Mandami elected now in New York.
We've got a Muslim communist, our most prestigious city in the country now running as mayor, going to be mayor.
So, what are your thoughts on that?
Well, it's kind of indicative of the sign of the times.
And, you know, we have to remind everybody that for a four-year period, we were openly being invaded by military-aged men to the tune of, depending upon what your numbers are, between 20 and 100 million people came across the border.
We have a lot of miners that came across the border.
You know, it's been a disaster when Donald Trump was not re-elected, which he was re-elected, but the election was stolen from him in 2020.
And these are the things I think we can start to see.
We'll get more and more of this sort of thing going on.
The thing that concerns me is that he's espousing Sharia law.
And there's a couple of different things that have happened here because, you know, he became a naturalized citizen and he swore an oath that he would protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
And it seems to me that he's violating his oath of office if he's going to try and shove Sharia law down everybody's throats.
But typically, for a Muslim takeover of a community or a city or a nation, this is kind of the stuff that goes along with it.
Occupy the leadership positions.
And then sooner or later, there's going to replace all the bureaucrats and everybody else.
And there's the replacement of personnel goes on.
And then ultimately, they dominate the scene and declare Sharia law everywhere.
So this is part of the invasion, replacement invasion process that Muslims have really refined over the hundreds of thousands, hundreds of years.
And now here it is in the United States and they're not a large population, but there sure are, if you're in Dearborn or if you're now in New York City, your lives are going to be turned upside down.
We're going to have mosques and shouting out daily prayer in New York City, I think, pretty soon.
Four or five times maybe a day, which will be pretty shocking, actually.
But, you know, Paul, it's also, I think, the younger generations, the kids are, you know, the percentage of women under, what, 24 who voted for Mondamu, it's like 80% of the women voted for Mamdani.
They have another character like Obama that they bring out as this hip-hop leftist, you know, guru, you know, charismatic leader who promises everything and delivers nothing.
Right.
Right.
That's normally the case.
And again, it's our fault that he's delivering nothing.
But they look good.
You got to admit they look.
Obama comes on hip-hops and he's, you know, hoping change.
And he's got neat posters and he's got the Obama girl singing how she's in love with Obama.
Remember that?
Yeah.
And they're all watching.
I was watching some of the clips of his little takeover and some of those, I call them teeny boppers.
But, you know, these are the young kids.
And there's nothing in the offing for those young kids other than, of course, being dominated by their own culture.
And of course, assimilation is just out of the question.
One of the great aspects of America is assimilation.
And clearly, this invasion of a lot of millions of people over the last four years is going to have some real detrimental impact upon the assimilation process.
It's always been so successful for the United States as a country.
Right.
But again, as you point out, the Muslims don't assimilate.
They don't fit in.
They don't want to become citizens of the country that they're invading.
They want to take it over.
Right.
And that is a problem.
And of course, we have a problem with so many others that have basically said the same thing that have come across the border.
It's not just Islamists.
It's also the cartels.
And out here in California, we have a real huge influence of the cartels and all the things that go along with them.
And in California, I hate to say it, but I'll say it again.
I've been saying it all along for a long time.
But California, outside of China, is the single largest trafficker of children for sex.
And that's, but nobody here says anything about it because we have legislators, active legislators in our legislature that are pedophiles.
They admit to it.
And they're passing pedophilic laws that enable them to have sex at younger and younger ages with boys in particular.
This is, I mean, I'm not making this up.
This is actually happening and has been happening for a long time.
They're just out now more than anything else.
And it seems that leadership, obviously Gavin Newsom, leadership all across the board is saying nothing about it.
And I'm talking about to the county supervisors, to the city council members.
The police are really kind of out to hung out to drive because that's another problem: they get defunded, and pretty soon they get defunded and they get a short change in terms of the number of people that they're starting to employ.
They get rid of the police officers, so we get into a lawless situation.
And you know, we find ourselves like right now, constitutionally, California does not comply with its compact with the United States, and it is sort of a rogue state at this point, government-wise.
In fact, you're setting up this new California state to be a secession movement to draw a new California state out of California, isn't that correct?
Well, it's not a secession movement, but California has a secession movement.
That's an important thing to understand.
We are a separatist movement following the Constitution, which provides in Article 4, Section 3, a state split.
And it's known as the state split clause.
And that clause in the Constitution Constitution.
No, this is U.S. Constitution.
U.S. Constitution.
Article 4, Section 3.
It's the same one that's given all of us 50 states.
It's the same.
We're using basically the same idea of Article 4, which is the state split.
But then there's specifics about what if you form a state from a pre-existing state.
And that's Article 4, Section 3.
And we believe now, as we have gone through this process now and deeply involved with it for the last eight years, that the Founding Fathers knew that at some point in time, one of the states that they were setting up with the colonies might go rogue and want to become more like a democracy than a republic.
So I believe they put Article 4, Section 3 into the Constitution, which allowed the people, if they were under a tyrant governor, to be able to form their own new state as prescribed under the Declaration of Independence.
And so when you start working with the Declaration of Independence and the verbiage and the words and the messaging with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you start to, it emerges completely different than just if you're on the surface looking at it and reading it and having no understanding what the words mean or application as to as to what we've been doing.
We've been applying the words now to our process and we're very far along in the process.
We have a constitution.
We developed a constitution over 13 constitutional conventions.
And in fact, this is our constitution right here.
And tomorrow, we actually have our fourth statewide election.
And this statewide election we set up right after our Constitutional Convention, the 13th one in Visalia, California on July 1st.
And we've already had three elections and they all affirm us to be a new state.
Now it's not a lot of large numbers like you'd find in a general election, but we do have a vast sampling from around all 58 counties.
And they all say the same thing.
It's pretty amazing to see.
But tomorrow, which is, of course, Veterans Day, we're going to have a pretty good turnout, we suspect.
And that's going to be the fourth and final one, we hope.
The idea of us being able to have an election, similar to what President Trump talks about in an election, one day, paper ballot, hand count.
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And we get the results that night.
And there's only one change of custody.
You know, when you walk into the polling center, they're going to give you a ballot and you're going to mark on that ballot and you're going to put it in the clear box.
That's it.
No more mail-in ballots.
And that's what we've done.
It works very well.
It counts really quick.
And we let the people watch us count them.
In fact, we videotape every counting so that we have a record of it.
But and you know, we haven't any cheating going on.
We haven't had any stuffed mailboxes, and there's no algorithms.
No algorithms.
There's no algorithm.
I guess you could set up a hand count algorithm or something like that.
I don't know.
You can't cheat unless you create the system so you can cheat.
That's right.
And which is, of course, that's what they've done all along now.
So this is we're disrupting.
If we know that we're following the Constitution.
And of course, if you know anything about our opposition, they loathe the Constitution and the things in it.
And so we're ready to go to become a state.
It's just a matter of timing at this point.
I think the financial collapse that's happening around the state of California is happening very quickly.
And I think that we're going to be standing up as a new state here pretty soon.
Sooner than a lot of people realize.
Article 4, Section 3 requires that the existing legislature approve it, doesn't it?
You mean you have to get the approval of the existing legislature.
Yes, yes, and no.
And this is where you start looking at the Constitution.
There's no, you know, Jerome, there's no playbook or instruction manual for forming a new state.
I hate to break it to people, but there isn't any.
You know, this is not like flying a 747 where you have an instruction manual.
You know, I'd never think that I would ask you to be a pilot for a 747, you know, but that's sometimes the way we feel.
But so you have to kind of be intuitive and you have to understand what the process is and the history and the protocols.
But Article 4, Section 3 is specifically designed for a very low threshold vote.
It doesn't need a bill.
It just needs a resolution, a resolution of each one of the houses.
And you take the resolution in, and you can have a simple floor vote right there.
When they open up, turn on the keys and start opening the day for legislation.
That's when they pass their resolutions.
And a simple majority vote approves the resolution.
And once it's approved in the Assembly and approved in the Senate, then the clerk of the Assembly calls the clerk of the House and says, We do have a petition for statehood.
Now, that's the normal process.
And if everything was normal and we had a normal balance of Republicans versus Democrats, that might, in fact, work.
But the problem is we are a super majority one-party system in California.
And in our assembly, we have 80 members in the assembly, 17 are Democrats.
We have 40 members in the Senate and nine are Republicans.
17 are Republican and nine are Republican.
And then, of course, if you take a look at the 52 seats in the House of Representatives that come out of California, there are only nine that are Republicans.
So super majority exists.
And that's one definition of a Communist Party.
We're starting to get that definition of a Communist Party going.
Plus, when you start to see the taxation, extortion, and how they pass bills, and then you've had a succession of Democratic governors such as Jerry Brown, what could possibly go wrong with eight years of Jerry Brown, right?
And now we have Gavin Newsom, and everything's all the executive positions have always been Democrats for the last 20 years.
So we have determined, especially after the COVID and especially after all the other hijinks that have been going on, the taxation and running businesses out of California, we have determined that California is literally a communist state, communist Nazi state.
And it's getting worse and it's not getting better.
And you know, you've watched Gavin Newsom's epic stories going on, all the things he's done with the fires and everything else.
And, you know, we have such a huge problem out here with the NGOs.
You know, we talk about Donald Trump and the tariffs.
And a lot of people don't understand that out here in California, the most NGOs in the nation exist, non-governmental organizations, 501c4s.
They exist in California.
And the problem is, is that this is where most of the billions, if not upwards of a trillion dollars of USAID aid and everything else has been going to these nonprofits by way of their counties, the county governance systems.
And I was kind of chuckling the other night.
I said, what Donald Trump really needs to do if he wants to fund the SNAP programs is claw back the money that was given to those NGOs.
There's a cool almost trillion dollars out of California.
He can do that.
And that would solve the budget problem.
Right.
It would go a long way.
It go a long way.
And these people are doing nothing with the money other than we, well, we think that they're funneling most of that money off to China.
And we do know that under Newsom's reign of terror, Julie Su, who ultimately became the labor secretary for Joe Biden, she happened to have been in charge with the state welfare system, EDD, we call it, Employment Development Department.
And in the COVID hit, she just turned off all the computers that would screen out people that would not be a candidate for welfare.
And so as a result, money just kept on, the state made an ask of that money pool, and the federal government said yes.
Well, nearly upwards of over $800 billion in a course of two and a half years was laundered through the EDD.
And Julie Sue, after a couple of years of that and everybody hammering her, including us, she gets the offer to Joe Biden to be the labor secretary, to be the controller of those funds to begin with.
And she covers all of her trails and tracks, and that's really why she was there.
She never passed confirmation, but he would just keep appointing her, and nobody had bothered her.
She was just appointed without any legal authority and without any constitutional authority anyway.
And everybody was comfortable with that except us.
We were screaming about it.
It was improper, unconstitutional, yet it was being allowed.
So the effect that we see as a whole, as we were looking at it, said this is a hostile situation that we have going on in California.
And they're not going to approve anything we do because it's communist.
And we, the people, determined that.
The other part of it was we found out California's Constitution is not a real Constitution.
It does not follow the original Constitution of 1850.
It has a corporate Constitution that it adopted in 1879.
So they have no legal legs to stand on.
So to actually, you know, petition them to go on to become a state would be impossible.
But the other part of it, too, is that as the founding, we have found with the founding fathers that, like I said, they knew that there would be a high probability that one of the states that would form in the United States would slip into a democracy.
So they had to throw the people a lifeline.
And I think that lifeline is Article 4, Section 3.
And we're, of course, exercising that because in Article 4, Section 4, it's the requirements of being a state that's really important to understand.
And those requirements are the same requirements that the United States has on itself for all of its people.
And that is the guarantee clause.
And in the guarantee clause, it says very clearly that you have to one, provide a Republican form of government.
And number two, you have to be able to keep the population free from invasion.
And number three, free from domestic violence.
Well, we said, guess what?
This state of California is not doing that.
We're being invaded.
We're a sanctuary state.
We don't have a Republican form of government.
And crime is through the roof because why?
The state is actually passing laws that are benefiting the criminals and not good order.
So it was an easy decision for us to follow the next step, which was, okay, how do we do this then?
If we're not going to go to the Congress or to the California legislature, because all these people are contributing to the crime, then what we did is we looked at history and we saw that in 1861, the state of West Virginia was formed from Virginia under the almost identical situation, that there was a hostile situation that the Virginians who wanted to join the Confederacy had against the West Virginians.
The West Virginians ultimately decided after numbers of killings, murders, and attacks and raids on their farms and ranches in the west side by the eastern Virginians that they would be better off forming a new state.
And they do it by what the process is of reorganizing a West a Virginia government.
You see, when the opportunity arose when the Confederacy and they held some Confederate conventions and in Richmond they held one and the government of Virginia at that time chose to join the Confederacy.
So they absented themselves from the seats of government.
And so there was no government operating in the state of West Virginia, in the state of Virginia.
So Pierpont and others went to Congress, said, we can't work with these people because they're not even in government anymore.
What do we do?
And so the Congress said, well, you still have to satisfy Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution.
You have to get the approval of the legislature.
He said, we don't have a legislature.
So he goes back to Wheeling, West Virginia with the bad news is that we have to do that.
But then he says, wait a minute, time out.
All of us in West Virginia, we're still Virginians.
Everybody's a Virginian.
So why don't we form our own government because there's no government there at all?
And so that's what they did.
Pierpont formed by we the people, which is the first three words in the Constitution, we the people.
And they formed a government.
He became the governor, that self-appointed governor, pretty much.
Actually, I think he ran an election in the House there.
He became the governor, and then he got a lieutenant governor.
He got an assembly together in a Senate.
And the West Virginians then took their resolutions to the government reorganized in Virginia.
And the Virginia reorganized government approved them, approved both the Senate and the Assembly.
And they went on to Congress and they presented it to Congress.
And Congress is kind of like, well, that's kind of hanky.
Well, he said, it doesn't matter how we do it.
We did it, right?
And they agreed.
They agreed.
It was a we the people.
The government was absent from Virginia.
They couldn't, not only did they not want to work with them, but they couldn't because they left.
And so that's how that process started.
And that's how we started.
We're doing the same thing.
We've already had three conventions with our reorganized government, and we already took the petitions two years ago to them.
And so we've been pursuing hot and heavy people to act in Congress.
And now even President Trump is some people have offered to have President Trump carry the legislation through, which is really unusual because there's only been one other time that's happened where the president has come forward and carried legislation to create a new state.
And that time was in 1830.
And that was the state of California.
Really?
Yeah.
So it's the state of California.
And it took, I'll tell you, it took me a couple of years to think about that and figure that out.
Like, oh, well, if we asked the president, it's already been done once, you know.
And so they asked us after some great frustration.
We were, we had worked out, this is in 2023.
We did all the paperwork for the Congress to join.
There's a process.
You want to take your paperwork to the Speaker of the House and have a couple of your representatives escort you down there and all that stuff.
There's a kind of hoopla thing.
And so we took our paperwork and we had it delivered to Kevin McCarthy's office.
Well, a week later, he was out.
It's admissions paperwork, you know.
Okay.
And so then we pull back and we're going, what's going on here?
You know, and letting it all settle.
Then they got Kevin Johnson.
And so we had an elaborate plan for him.
And as it turned out, he got in trouble too.
And so we're sitting here going, oh my God, we got all this paperwork done.
What are we going to do?
And so finally, in talking to people from the presidents, they said, President, if you would like, when he becomes president, he'll carry that through for you.
I said, well, that's really nice.
It's really nice.
Did you submit it to President Trump?
Not yet.
We're doing the elections and we're getting our Constitution all wrapped up.
And that'll be the next step in the next couple of weeks to move forward with that.
What will how much of California will be in the new state?
About 90%.
The populations are, there's very easily divided by density.
And the rural communities versus the urban is what it is.
It's straight out of the book of Reynolds versus Sims when they took away the rights of senators to represent counties and divided it up by districts.
And so ultimately what happened with that is that all the urbanized areas got all the resources and rural areas got nothing.
So we're kind of reversing that trend.
And if you take a look at California's population, and when we did this in 2018 and 19 to create the map, there was about 40 million people here.
And we went through the whole hoop law.
We had maps.
We went over to one of our people's houses and we just dominated the whole beautiful home.
We just dominated it with maps and we're drawing lines.
I mean, you can imagine people say, oh, getting a meeting once, what about this district over here?
Well, they got this Democrat.
We don't want that Democrat.
And I didn't like, see, I didn't like the idea of that.
I mean, we were singling out Democrats.
And so we were drawing lines.
I just didn't like the idea.
I didn't think that was on balance, what we should be doing if we're doing real Republicanism here.
And so finally, after about two or three weeks of frustration and drawing lines all over big maps, I just said to the group, I said, well, where do all the people live?
Let's look at populations.
I'm a biologist and a geneticist, so populations mean something to me.
And so they said, well, if you take a look at the populations, there's 40 million people.
And you've got Sacramento urban, San Francisco, urban, and LA urban.
That's about 20 million people.
So I said, well, where do the rest of the people live?
I said, all throughout California.
So that turns out to be about 90% of the land mass.
That includes San Diego and includes Orange County.
We look at those two as more suburban than urban.
LA is very dense, and so is parts of San Francisco as you know, that whole area.
But it makes for an island situation in which there's islands.
Three parts of California are islands, and they are.
And we use the rationale that they can do it in Hawaii with all the islands.
They can certainly do it for California.
And you know, Jerome, we have not been in all the years.
We've had people ask.
I can tell you that probably the total number of people who have objected to that, one or two.
It's the most amazing thing.
They look at it and it's like, oh, okay.
It's like that's, and I just say it's based on population.
Is it now down to counties?
Is it mostly divided by counties or how does it?
Well, we take all the counties, basically.
We take them in a clever way.
We look at the rural areas of a county.
Every county has a lot of rural area in California.
And so many of the, most of the counties, like if you look at Stanislaus or San Joaquin County or Calaveras County or Kern County, these are big, large rural counties.
But some of the other counties start to be divided up when we look at them.
As an example, Sacramento.
Sacramento has quite the urbanized area around the capital area, but on the outskirts, it's very rural.
So we take what we call Sacramento rural land and leave the urbanized as part of California.
And the same with San Francisco.
Heavily urbanized areas all become California.
The rest of it becomes New California.
Los Angeles, the top of Los Angeles, which is in Palmdale, Lancaster, that whole area, that becomes rural California.
So the designation for many counties will have a rural designation for us for mapping reasons.
And those counties will be the counties in California.
Very, very interesting.
It shatters Reynolds versus Sims, which what we did with the intent of doing that, what we did is we automatically assigned to every county when we brought them on board and charted them.
They had to have a senator for every county.
So for the first time since 1965, I believe these counties actually do have representative senators, and they take it to heart.
They mean it.
Every county was assigned two assembly members.
And that's the beginning map.
It's all red now.
And we thought initially we went with the academics on that map.
That's the original map.
And we thought the academics had it all down, you know, that the coastal regions, including like San Luis Obispo and Monterey and Ventura and San Benito and parts of Santa Clara County, were all heavily Democratic.
Now, what we did find out, and this is where the voter suppressions happened, there you go.
That's the new California map right now.
And you can see the yellow is the is 20 million.
It's not 20 million right now.
We've actually made some changes since the original map.
And it's more like 16 million, 17 million that California will have and we'll have the rest.
But when we looked at all those other counties, we would, as each county was chartered, we made a different map.
And that's why sometimes you'll see some of the colored maps there.
And we would paint those, the new California maps that red until it was completely filled in.
But these counties in this area that are in question are the ones that are going to have issues with divisions and boundaries and things like that.
But they're kind of minor compared to the whole state.
But then the idea of having every county have a senator right now has been very interesting because we walk around and we tell people when we go to a hearing or if we go and visit with some of their county supervisors during public hearing, we announce ourselves as New Californian.
I'm Paul Preston.
I'm the assembly member from Sutter County and for New California State.
And they all perk up and they all listen.
They used to kind of scoff at us.
But you know what, Jerome?
We've taken some legal actions against these people and some of the ones with been heavily involved with the COVID virus.
We've delivered declarations of complaints on them, especially the county clerk recorders as an example.
We've been using algorithm and using algorithms as evidence against these folks.
And it's very compelling.
We did our first deliverance of the declarations, which it's a legal grief is what it is.
Our attorney drew them up.
And we have all the election code sections and penal code sections and all this other stuff and USC sections.
And then we would throw in a couple of the algorithms in question about what we saw.
And we did this with Tommy Gong.
He was the first one out of San Luis Obispo County.
June 1st, 2021.
We served him with 123 declarations signed by 123 members of the county of citizens of the county of San Luis Obispo.
That was July 1st.
On July 3rd, he announced his resignation.
We said that's amazing.
So, you know, you really, when you look at that map, it's amazing.
I think across the United States, if you did that map, you'd find the same thing.
Oh, yeah.
You'd find that the vast majority of the counties are conservative.
And it's only the cities that are the left controls the cities right now.
And the cities are the ones that are going socialist.
Right.
And you take a look at, you remember Everett Dirksen, of course.
Right, of course.
Yeah.
Ev, they call him.
In fact, I have a couple of his, I was going to, it's interesting because there's a new Illinois movement that's patterned itself after us.
And we have some of our people going to be over there this weekend for the convention.
But Everett Dirksen, you know, his final battle was to fight this, to fight the Reynolds versus Sims decision, because he said, and he's got some great quotes on this.
It's a great study.
I visited his museum, which was just incredible.
But he, you know, he said that what we've created in this decision of Reynolds versus Sims, which was done by the Warren Court, the, you know, Earl Warren from the Warren Commission.
Come on.
Anyway, that guy, who was the governor of California at one time, anyway, before he became the Supreme Court justice.
But Everett Dirksen said that what they created with that decision was a situation where you're going to be the rural areas are going to be dominated by the big cities.
And he said, California, San Francisco, Sacramento, Chicago, New York, they all start dominating the whole country if we don't watch out.
And the city centers in general will do that.
Like you've got Portland, you've got Seattle.
And again, every place where you have upheaval right now has been the focus of that upheaval.
It has been the focus of that whole Reynolds versus Sim debacle.
But yeah, you have every part of the nation that is at risk of having us happen.
Right.
Well, the Reynolds v. Sims decision, which was eight to one, was really on the equal protection clause that, you know, you had to have substantially equal state representative representation for all citizens.
So this was the beginning of a lot of the reapportionment legislation, reapportionment activity going on.
But, you know, the reapportionment has also led to gerrymandering and the way the Democrats have done it.
And so that's about to be fixed, I think, by the Supreme Court so that you end the racial preferences and how you determine districting for voting for the House of Representatives.
But it still does not solve the problem.
No, it's not.
The sovereignty of the counties.
It does.
And that's the key thing because what they're trying to do, and you have to play long ball about how they're trying to destroy the United States, is they're trying to destroy sovereignty.
And the sovereign senator of a county is what they're trying, what they started with.
And then they've worked their way down to sheriffs, other elected county officials as well, in an attempt to break the borders and not have borders between counties, which ultimately would lead to the nation doing the same with senators.
There already is discussion about some at, of course, Columbia University that there should be a situation where senators in other states, because right now every senator, or excuse me, there's two senators for every state.
That's what the founding fathers gave to the legislature to create a bicameral legislature in the United States, a Senate and a House of Representatives.
And that was to be carried out through the state as well.
So state senators would be elected by the sovereign counties to strengthen the sovereignty of the county.
Well, these people have figured out the way you destroy the country is to break down that sovereignty and ultimately break compacts.
That's what they wanted to do.
And we defy that, of course, and we reinstituted the senators in every county as a growing state.
And that's had an impact on Sacramento.
They know it.
I think nationally, they know what we're doing too, that this is the end game for them, because once we return sovereignty, then we can really focus in on restoring the republic.
And that's where we're going with all this.
Even the smallest of counties, if it's a county, deserves a senator as opposed to a district, which a district is very, very pejorative.
What you do is you create unicameralism under Reynolds versus Sims.
And you talk about lack of representation.
The people have all the representation in the world.
But what about the other elements of what we govern?
There are businesses, there is commerce, there's schools, there's all the things that go along with it.
The environment, it's a perfect situation if you don't have anybody protecting the environment.
Now, when I say that, what I'm looking at are big concerns, companies that want to do mining as an example.
They want to tear up the land like crazy and do the work.
If they're left unbridled and unchecked, then they're a problem.
So that's what they want to do is so that there's open borders between counties.
There's open borders between states.
Pretty soon there's no borders at all.
And that's what this leads to.
We're talking with Paul Preston.
Paul has done Agenda 21 radio.
Website is a21r.com.
And we're talking about the new California state movement that Paul has championed over the years.
And I think once this begins to take hold, Paul, you're going to find a lot of states looking at this.
Well, yeah, we get a lot of calls.
We're getting calls from Canada.
From Canada.
From Canada, right?
That's interesting.
Well, Canada, of course, has a massive problem in terms of whether or not people are represented by the government, which is going completely leftist.
Right.
The point here is that it's shocking when you see how much of the states, you could do that for Texas.
You could do that for a dozen states that they, you know, including New Jersey.
I mean, I live in New Jersey and New Jersey, you take out Newark, Elizabeth, and Patterson, and you've got a very, very conservative state.
Same for Virginia.
You take out the parts of Virginia that are close to Washington, D.C., the bedroom communities, and you've got a very, very different state.
And so therefore, the cities have been the leftist powerhouse, but there's enough people in these cities, even though the territory is small, that they swing statewide elections.
That's the difficulty is that Out here in California, we don't, you know, we have a mono party system because the statewide elections are corrupt, as you as you know, they're how corrupt they are out here in California, and especially with the use of the algorithm.
And they're trying to put fresh lipstick on that ugly pig, and it's not working.
It didn't work in the last election here just last Tuesday.
And in fact, tomorrow, we get the bonus buddy because when we decided we were going to have our own election on November 4th, back in July, we weren't thinking that there's going to be an election in California.
Nothing was announced.
And so we get these nasty, we're setting up shop.
We're going to have the election, just like we said, we didn't care about Prop 50.
And all of a sudden, we're getting these nasty letters from the state.
So I checked with, I knew they were completely bogus and they were completely out of line.
And I was ready to damn the torpedoes.
And I called my attorney and he said, yeah, you have every right to do what you want to do.
And so we got another one that was really kind of, I sat back and I thought about it.
I said, it's kind of interesting because they started templating letters from one county clerk to another.
And so the second one that they put out, it was addressed to a completely random county chair from another county from where it was supposed to go to.
And so I said to myself, this is crap.
I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to put ourselves up and be aligned with a fraudulent election.
We'll just postpone it one week and we'll stand with veterans and honorable people and have an election in an honorable fashion and let it go at that.
And that's what we have planned for tomorrow.
So we've run these elections very well.
They're very simple.
It doesn't cost much money.
You know, we did a cost comparison on Shasta County because if they were to use paper ballots versus the mail-in ballots, the cost figure for a paper ballot being handled all in was a dollar and 30 cents or something.
And the cost basis for mail-in ballots is now $21 each all in.
Right.
Each.
Each.
Democrats don't mind spending money.
No, they spend your money to accomplish their goals.
That's exactly what they do.
And so anyway, when we do an election now, it's very, and we've got it down to a science for ourselves.
It's very easy.
The public loves them, Jerry.
I mean, we get people driving for 70, 80 miles one way to come and vote in our elections just to have a just to have a voice.
And, you know, it's really amazing to hear these stories of people wanting to make the change, but they know they can't because the corruption is so strong and it's getting worse.
But people don't know what the what, you know, what is it that you can change about government to fix that problem.
Now, in the old days when we didn't have the United States of America and a Constitution and Bill of Rights, and you had a dictatorship, that it was wild revolution.
And right now, I'm not too sure where we're going with all this, but I know that as long as we in New California continue down our path, we can, it will be a state that'll honor the Constitution and not fight against it like we're seeing.
Well, I want to cover a couple more things before we wrap up.
This is with Paul Preston of Agenda 21 Radio, A21R.com.
Paul, I think it's widely anticipated that President Trump is going to issue.
In fact, he announced last week he was going to issue a new executive order to demand all the things we've said.
I've been researching this on Gods5Stones.com and the algorithms that we found, I think, were pivotal and people realizing the extent to which codes had been written into the state board of election registration file that permitted the creation of these millions of false records that yet get legitimate state IDs and could be voted in these mail-in ballot schemes.
Now, once we found that, I think President Trump saw the problem and saw it with 2020 election being stolen.
And now we have, he just pardoned somebody like 77 people that were involved.
And so I think Donald Trump is definitely on the track of making sure that we have fair elections and correct elections where non-citizens do not vote in 2026.
And I know the states are going to resist this, but I also see Donald Trump putting the military increasingly into the Democratic cities to control them.
So I'm wondering if the military would run an election.
Donald Trump declared that we had a constitutional crisis or a national emergency crisis under Article II powers as commander in chief, and that our elections were being penetrated by foreign governments.
You could very well have the military run the election in 2026.
I agree, and I think that he should.
And, you know, we were one of the first ones out of the chute when we saw the situation.
We had been studying in the New California movement, and I've been, you know, politically activated, but the fraud that was going on because of the Orange County situation in 2018 when we lost six seats to Congress and it smelled like an algorithm, looked like an algorithm.
You can just look at the spreadsheet.
It was an algorithm.
And then it wasn't until 2020.
And we had met some people, one individual I think you talked to, who had the algorithms down.
He still does.
He's just fantastic at it.
And when we reported that Donald Trump had won California with 15,800,000 votes and Joe Biden had lost with 6,400,000, everybody was shocked.
But we haven't backed down from those numbers.
And then we discovered all the fraud that led us to another lawsuit and, you know, to try and sue to stop even the J6 thing from happening with the 53 delegates or 55 delegates to the Electoral College.
But that was all slow walk by the courts for one reason or another.
We filed several advocacy briefs and so on, but none of that came to fruition.
But we still have some hope for the lawsuits because the characters, the cast of characters is there and they should be sued.
But I think with Trump now, what I think is really important is that we now have, we know that with Pam Bondi as AG, that automatically we get standing with her.
Now, no other way would we be able to get standing on any kind of lawsuits going forward, but I think that we have an opportunity if we wanted to go federally have something there.
But I agree.
I think that Donald Trump can pull from his vast resources constitutionally and act constitutionally as a president.
And when he declares an emergency or if he signs the Insurrection Act, which I think he's already signed it.
I think he's kept it a secret.
I'm not sure that.
I'm not sure of that.
But I know he's contemplating.
I've seen the smile drove.
Yeah, well, he's contemplating it for sure.
There's no doubt about it.
But he's actually signed it.
Don't think has happened yet.
Well, it could be.
It could be.
I mean, I know that, I know that certain people's behaviors like that.
The tell is the governor of Oregon, that lady, which I didn't realize was a lady for a long time.
That lady, boy, did she do it.
I think somebody had a talk in her ear.
Boy, did she do a complete face on what was going on with Donald Trump?
But I think that, yes, I think he needs to act and act pretty soon because things are getting a little dicey.
And, you know, especially now in New York, you have that whole thing going crazy out there.
And what are New Yorkers going to do?
But I don't think we need the, you know, these people are here illegally, or they're here legally, and they're trying to espouse the downfall of this country.
That's all unconstitutional.
And especially if they become citizens here, you know, like you have the case with Mamdani or whatever his name is.
I always kind of screwed up on radio if I don't like you.
Anyway, he's a naturalized citizen.
And if he's going to, he's going to profess Sharia law.
That's what everybody's talking about it.
And he will ultimately do that.
He needs to be arrested and thrown out of the country.
Clearly, some of these, he's at risk of committing a crime by protecting the illegal immigrants.
Absolutely.
That's another one.
And so also these states that refuse to get rid of the algorithms, the algorithms are these codes that are bailed into the election that allow them to say, well, we need so many thousand mail-in votes to be cast illegally or we're going to lose this election because they're all based on predicting how elections are going to turn out while elections are being counted.
Right.
It's another reason why we shouldn't have these early voting is that it facilitates the algorithms being calculated.
Well, it also, that's the reconnaissance on the algorithm being.
And then in California, it's 29 days.
They'll give you the ballot 29 days in front of the election.
And then you can turn them in and they get counted.
Don't tell me they don't because they give us the number of Republicans who voted versus Democrats.
And you can pick it up on your phone 20 days out.
Oh, there's more.
Hurry up, Republicans.
Get over here and vote.
And you say you did not count the ballots?
Right.
But then you have 27 days to count.
27 days to count.
And we have a character out here who's wanting to do voter ID, which is honorable.
We all went voter ID.
But the problem is, he doesn't tell you the difficult part is it's voter ID, but still mail-in ballots.
Well, that's not going to work.
That's just not going to work.
How do you do that?
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
This is the craziness that we're doing out here.
I think we're pretty much run out of time here, Paul, but I want to thank you.
I mean, I'm really glad we got to cover this issue because this issue is one that Americans do not understand.
And it's about, I think, to become a major issue, especially if you succeed or when you succeed with the new California state, there's going to be motions like this going in a dozen states.
Oh, yeah, it's going to really, I think, energize the nation.
I think so, because it's going to, we're being forced to now look at our roots and look at the biblical belief system of the Constitution and of the founding fathers and look at what they mean by about liberty and all that.
But it's the constitutional powers and authority that the president has right now, where he can demonstrate constitutional law over common law.
And he has the power.
He has the authority.
He can do whatever he needs to do.
If you take a look at what the history is, is the founding fathers didn't want a king or a queen or a monarch.
I know Hamilton liked that idea.
But the bottom line, they empowered the president.
At a time like this, when you did have an invasion, there was a slippage of the Republican form of government in any state, and there's lawlessness that he has full authority through these executive authorities to do what he needs to do.
If he needs the military, do whatever he needs.
He's going to use it.
And he should start doing that now.
I really believe that.
I think it's going to increasingly start happening.
And Trump seems to be determined to get control of the Justice Department.
And I think we'll have some prosecutions on the Obama coup d'état that are going to be significant.
So we're just beginning to fight a battle here that needs to be fought.
But it's Paul.
It's been a real pleasure to have you as a guest, and we hope you'll come back.
Oh, yeah.
I've enjoyed it.
You and I have been talking about things for a long time.
I remember talking to you and Oahu about that guy's name.
Obama's, that's who it was.
He had some other guy's social security number.
Yeah, that's right.
He had another guy's social security number.
And the Obama story, we found the birth certificate in Hawaii from which Obama's was copied.
And Sheriff Arpaio did validate that Obama submitted a fictitious, badly copied forgery as his birth certificate.
But of course, the mainstream media will never report that.
No, I like the way Donald Trump flushed him out for the long form.
I think that was a brilliant move on his part.
And, you know, a little side story was that the story was, as I found out that they actually used a thumb drive, put it in a guy's hand, and they flew it to Washington and they plugged it into the machine.
Well, I got a call from a graphic artist who I was doing business at the time because he and I had this big run-in with his boss, the guy I was paying, that he was an Obama guy.
He gave him a money and everything.
And we both knew the thing was false with Fody.
And so he called me up, hey, they released it.
Come on down.
So I went down there.
Well, did you know they left the style pilots together?
I didn't know that.
Did they really?
This is within a few hours.
They called me down there.
And this guy's manipulating the thing.
He says, well, look what they did here.
They moved this over here.
That's what I've been doing.
I was sitting here going, oh, my God, how obvious can this be?
Then you lost Loretta Fuddy.
Oh, yeah.
It's been crazy.
Well, that's another whole story that yet remains to be fully told, but I may get at it again.
Well, Jerome, thank you very much for having me.
Thanks, Paul.
It's a great pleasure.
We've been interviewing Paul Preston.
Paul has had his website, his podcast is Agenda21 Radio.
You can find it at A21R.com.
It's letter A, number 21, letter R.com.
And he's got a lot of information, really important information on the new California state initiative, which I believe is going to happen and succeed.
And when it does, I think it's going to be a magnificent thing to see.
I'll give you the website of that is newcaliforniastate.com, newcaliforniastate.com.
If you go there now, you can see all the different things that we're doing for the election.
And of course, It's a great day tomorrow.
It's, you know, for all of you veterans, we're going to be really involved on what's going on there.
So we'll give a shout out to it with Joshua Macias.
Joshua is the CEO.
I'm the chairman.
We formed Veterans First LLC, Veterans First Foundation, Veterans First Telemedicine, and we're just getting going.
