Oct. 9, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Breaking Free from Stockholm Syndrome: Meredith Miller & Dr. Corsi on Healing After Trauma
Why do victims sometimes bond with their abusers? How can people trapped in emotional or psychological control — in relationships, families, or even institutions — break free? In this enlightening episode of Corsi Nation, Dr. Jerome Corsi speaks with Meredith Miller, author of Becoming Whole: How to Prevent Stockholm Syndrome and Transcend Darkness in Your Life and Relationships, to explore the hidden dynamics of Stockholm Syndrome — and the path toward reclaiming your freedom and sense of self. Meredith and Dr. Corsi discuss:🧠 What Stockholm Syndrome Really Is — and why victims can become emotionally attached to their captors or abusers.💔 How It Happens — from hostage situations to toxic personal relationships.🪞 Recognizing the Signs — how manipulation, trauma bonding, and fear distort perception.🌱 Healing and Empowerment — how to break free from emotional control and rebuild a healthy, independent mindset.📖 Pick up Meredith Miller’s book Becoming Whole here: https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Whole-Stockholm-Transcend-Relationships/dp/B0FQTNMJPM This is a powerful conversation about psychological resilience, recovery, and reclaiming your life after emotional or physical captivity.🌐 Visit Corsi Nation: https://corsination.com Support our partners:• MyVitalC: https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/• Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.php📬 Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/📖 Get your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin: How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush — Call 800-519-6268 🐦 Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
This is Rome Coursey, and today we've got a uh a really special guest with us.
We're going to do the first interview on a newly published book.
It's Meredith Miller who is joining us.
Meredith, how are you?
I'm good.
Thank you so much for inviting me.
Well, your book has just come out here.
It's uh Becoming Whole.
And in fact, it's one that I helped get, I was the managing editor on this as an acquiring editor with Post Hill Press.
I wanted this book to come into press.
And um, this is your website, I guess, right here.
What is your website, Meredith?
It is it's inner integration.com.
Interintegration.com.
Okay, I I find I think it's a brilliant book.
I really like it a lot.
And uh I want I want to do as much as we can to get people to understand and and buy it and read it.
Uh first of all, give us some of your background, Meredith.
Tell us um uh what your career has been and uh how you came to write this book.
So I've been doing holistic healing for about 25 years.
I've studied a bunch of different modalities, traveled around the world, studied with different teachers.
I started with more hands-on healing initially, and then I moved into coaching and then working online in 2012.
And for several years, I worked in narcissistic abuse recovery, and then in 2020, I started hearing the calling to dig deeper in my own inner healing.
And as I began to do that, now I'm working with people who are further along in the trauma healing process who want to transmute their trauma into a new sense of purpose.
Um, okay, so essentially, you are you a psychologist or a psychiatrist?
I am neither of those.
I call myself a coach, but I work in the holistic world.
So that's body, mind, spirit.
That's looking at the human being as a whole.
Okay, so it's more of a of a holistic approach.
Exactly.
To uh, I guess wellness, mental wellness, psychological wellness, and you're coming at it from the disciplines of holistic methodologies or modalities.
That's correct.
So you've studied then I'm sure a lot of different uh both religions and psychological approaches, and it's your book certainly reflects a lot of thought on how human beings are put together, and um I think a really deep understanding of narcissism and how people become captive and become held in captivity,
and your subtitle is How to Prevent Stockholm Syndrome and Transcend Darkness in your life and relationships.
Okay, so now what is a Stockholm syndrome?
So this is a concept that's really misunderstood, I believe, even in the fields of psychology and psychiatry.
I believe they're taking it very literally.
So they believe, for example, it came from this bank heist that took place in Stockholm, Sweden, where people were held as physical captives in a hostage situation.
And so most psychologists and psychiatrists believe that it can only take place between strangers and it has to involve physical captivity.
But from my perspective, that's not true because the subconscious, whatever you're imagining or remembering is the same as what's actually happening in your reality.
And so what I discovered through observing so many different cases of abuse and experiencing this myself is that when you believe that you're in a state of captivity, you believe there's no escape.
That's just as real to you as if you were actually held in a physical hostage situation.
So that's why I renamed it a state of captivity to help people recognize this is a state of consciousness, not a state of physical confinement.
So in the Stockholm Syndrome, this incident you refer to which very important incident in the history of terrorism or uh you know violent action of like terrorism.
The the victims actually sided with the terrorists.
Is that correct?
That's true.
And so they go ahead.
So what happens in these abusive situations is the victim tends to become an accomplice to the abuse.
They participate in the abuse without realizing what's happening.
They're doing this as a survival mechanism.
So they're complying with the abuse and the abuser, and they begin to believe that the abuser actually cares about them or wants them to be safe or wants them to be healthy.
You say you write in the book, the state of captivity is an inner state.
It is psychological, neurological, and spiritual.
Therefore, it is psycho-neuro spiritual state of captivity.
It's a state of consciousness that becomes a reality.
And to continue to say the subconscious mind cannot differentiate between what's vividly imagined and what's actually happening.
Physical confinement isn't required because there's a perception of no escape.
And that's what matters to the subconscious, which drives our behavior.
Well, the prison bars may be imaginary, they are very real to those experiencing them.
Okay, so you say yourself you've experienced being captivity.
You want to give us a little glimpse of that without necessarily going too deeply, but basically, what did you experience?
So I came from a family system where the legacy of abuse was passed on from generation to generation.
In my particular family, it was sexual abuse and emotional abuse.
It wasn't physical abuse.
And so when you grow up in a family system like that, you get programmed for life to perceive abuse as love and home.
So of course, emerging into adulthood, I got myself into all kinds of relationships and work situations and communities and all kinds of experiences that was very similar because my nervous system was programmed to recognize that as love and home.
My psychology was programmed to recognize that as the same, and I was locked in that spiritual state of captivity.
And you say there's kind of these different stages of um how this, you know, the you study a lot of domestic violence as well, is that right?
Yeah, and so domestic violence can be physical violence, but it can also be psychological violence.
And that's often what's not spoken about.
Typically, when people hear the word abuse, they imagine a battered woman.
But abuse is not always physical, and the victims of abuse are not always women.
The perpetrators are not always men.
A woman can be narcissistic and abusive to a husband.
Correct.
And the man could be abused.
And that's not usually what people think of domestic violence, but you're saying that's a form of domestic violence.
Correct.
And you say that there are um a state of captivity is induced through four specific parameters, which have always been used for the control of domestic violence as well as an abusive families, workplaces, cults, and society at large.
So first is isolation, physical, psychological, or both.
Second, acts of perceived kindness, third, threats, perceived threats to one's life and perceived inability to escape.
So you want to elaborate on that, explain that to us?
Yeah.
So the isolation is where the abuser positions him or herself as the sole narrative of reality.
So they will isolate the victim psychologically from external perceptions of reality.
That could be your family, your friends, things that you read online.
The abuser has to position themselves as the one who controls reality.
And so information control is reality control that takes place in relationships, just as it does in a society.
So we've been seeing this a lot in society.
And that could also involve some physical isolation where the abuser will either not allow the victim to see other people or they will more covertly plant the idea in the victim's mind that other people don't have their best interests, that other people are dangerous.
So the victim makes their own decision, assuming that this is the truth.
And so then the second parameter, which is the perceived acts of kindness, this is what we call love bombing or idealization.
So this is when the abuser maybe tells you that they want your good, it's for your good, they care about you, they want to protect you, they want to keep you safe, they can give you glimpses of hope, they can flatter you.
Flattery is actually one of their chief tools that they use to get you to trust them.
So the whole goal of the perceived kindness is to get you to trust the abuser.
But this is also intermittent reinforcement because it goes back and forth between the love bombing, the flattery, the giving of resources, or anything that they know that the victim needs, and then it alternates with acts of cruelty and devaluation.
And as that goes back and forth, that causes cognitive dissonance.
So even though the person recognizes some things are off and something doesn't feel right, it's these acts of perceived kindness that cause the person to keep reverting back to that state of trust.
And then the third one is the perceived life threat.
And so the abuser will either threaten your life or threaten the lives of your family or loved ones if you don't comply, or what they'll do is manufacture or take advantage of something that's occurring in the environment, like a disease or a war or something external that's a life threat, and they'll position themselves as your hero, as your protector at the same time.
And then uh the fourth um parameter is where the person believes there's no escape.
And so this is where they begin to comply to fawn to participate in the abuse because they believe there's no sense in leaving.
Even domestic violence victims who leave the house multiple times a day to go to the grocery store, go to work, take the kids to school, they keep coming home because deep down, psychologically, spiritually, neurologically, they're trapped in that state of captivity and they believe that they can't leave or they can't survive outside of that relationship, family system, or community.
One of the things I found really fascinating about your book is that you also show this in social settings.
So you are able to analyze the pandemic as a societal case of abuse and captivity, and that it was engineered in order to hold us captive captive to make us experience this kind of um lack of ability to control our own destiny or to do anything.
You want to elaborate on that?
Because I think that's that was that was one of the more fascinating parts of your book, your discussions of how the pandemic and your whole uh understanding of narcissism and these captive relationships really are equivalent.
So it's the same patterns from the micro to the macro in society, whether we're talking interpersonal relationships, family systems, workplaces, or society.
And what we saw during the COVID campaign was the setup for the Stockholm syndrome, the state of captivity.
So first they physically isolated people, then they psychologically isolated people, they made the official narrative the only acceptable version of reality, which is disseminated via our devices.
So as people were trapped at home, all they had with their connection to the outside world was their devices.
They would go on social media and they would hear all of this repeated.
There was lots of censorship and suppression of information, so that only certain amounts of information could come out.
And then everyone, even doctors who spoke against that narrative were smeared, were ostracized, were threatened.
And then the perceived acts of kindness, you know, how long they told us it was for our good, it's because they care, it's for our health, they want to keep us safe.
And of course, you know, they offered money, they offered all kinds of incentives for people to stay home, to not work, to get the shots.
And then the perceived life threat, of course, was the virus or other people as vectors of the virus, which they painted as this very deadly thing.
And then for those people who were more awake about what was happening, that threat of tyranny was a very real life threat.
So everyone experienced that to some degree or another.
And then the perceived inability to escape, the only, you know, they they set everything up so that it seemed that there was no end to this torture, and the one and only escape from that was to get vaccinated, and then you can get back to your life.
You can see your loved ones again, you can go to concerts, you can go to restaurants, you could travel, you could go to school, you could work.
And so they they carefully created this environment to make people believe that there was no escape other than that.
And the idea is submit, submit to and comply, being vaccinated and to see a whole narrative in which if you object uh everyone turns on you.
And um the disconnection is intentionally engineered, even though the entire campaign is based on lies and emotional manipulation.
That people went along with all of the requirements of compliance to the medical protocol of distancing, wearing masks, etc.
felt like there was no choice.
And so it's a similar way to the pattern of us being in an abusive relationship where The same kinds of things happen on an individual basis or family basis.
And you're you're seeing the same pattern.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
That divide and conquer tactic that you mentioned is key in any abusive situation.
The abuser has to get everyone to direct their all their entire loyalty toward the abuser and to see each other with distrust.
They have to separate us so that we can't connect and realize that there's a lot more of us than the abusers.
Okay, now so while you're describing the problem and going through you know all of the first part of the book, the book is becoming whole.
So you're really writing this to explain to people how you get out of this trap.
Do you want to explain to that to us how what can you do once you realize you're in the situation?
What did you do when you realized you were in the situation?
Yeah.
So the trauma of this is very fragmenting.
And that's why I describe becoming whole, become because that wholeness is the healing process after trauma.
It's reintegrating ourselves after this incredible, damaging experiences happen.
So the very first thing is the truth that we have to accept.
And the first level of that is external.
So a person has to realize what the abuser is doing and what's happening to them.
And that's unfortunate where most people get trapped, even those who wake up to that and understand they've been abused and who the abuser is, they often get stuck there in that external focus.
That's the victimhood, the powerlessness.
The next level of truth is the internal truth.
And that's where we accept our self-responsibility and recognize how we were participating.
Not that the abuse was our fault, but that we each are participating in our reality and we made certain choices.
We stayed when we experienced that sense of something was off.
We somehow participate in our own captivity.
And when we can be honest with ourselves and start to recognize that that's the point of empowerment, that's where we recognize that our choice is our power and we can start to make new choices.
And the next hurdle that people run into, which I named as the fifth parameter of the Stockholm syndrome or state of captivity, which isn't discussed, it's almost like a tripwire that happens once a person wakes up to the abuse.
They get so focused on the injustice that happened that they develop this attachment to it.
And I lived my whole life, most of my life like this, where I just saw all the injustice and all I could think about was all the injustice that happened to me.
And that kept me in this repetitive loop of more injustices happening to me.
And I see a lot of us falling into that now in society where we're so focused on all the injustices that happened in the crimes against humanity that we aren't able to start the healing process.
So that's an interesting thing that happens once a person wakes up.
And then once we start to dig further into the wholeness and the restoration of ourselves after the abuse, we're going to need to look at our self-worth.
And that's really our biggest immunity against abuse is rebuilding our self-worth because the abusers tear down your self-worth.
Some people maybe never even knew what having self-worth is because they grew up in family systems like this.
But when we know our worthiness and we have the boundaries and we know we have the right to set those boundaries to protect our worthiness, we become immune to the abuse.
We are easily able to say no and to opt out and to recognize, have that spiritual discernment that something is wrong.
So rebuilding self-worth is really key.
And so each of us is experienced traumas in childhood.
Even when we think our childhood Was great.
Typically, when people say that there was a case of emotional neglect, things that were even normalized as cultures.
That's just the way things were.
And we don't recognize how that affects us in our lives.
And so when we go back and we do our inner child healing work and we start to reintegrate these soul fragments from childhood, from adolescence, we start growing up.
We start becoming responsible adults.
And once we become responsible adults, then we have more access to these higher states of consciousness, like creativity, intuition, insight, imagination, critical thinking, which we don't have access to when we keep getting triggered into these trauma responses, like the fight, flight freeze, and fun.
And so really building resilience is this process of facing the trauma, experiencing the feelings, honoring our experience of what happened, and then digesting those feelings.
So not getting stuck in the pain, but allowing that pain to be recognized instead of pushing it away instead of escaping it instead of avoiding it and allowing it to be digested so that we can integrate the gifts, because every traumatic experience that happened, including what's been happening in the world, contains these gems, these gifts that we can integrate afterward, new levels of strength, new wisdom that we can integrate.
And in doing this process, we're not only restoring our own wholeness, we're also changing the future for the next generation so that we don't pass forward this burden of unresolved trauma like those who came before us.
Several passages in the book that I found really particularly interesting.
And the book we're talking about again is becoming whole, and it's by Meredith Miller, we're interviewing today and subtitles How to Prevent Stockholm Syndrome and Transcend Darkness in your life and relationships.
I I really recommended it.
I wanted this book to be published.
And I'm very pleased with how it's come out.
I think you did an excellent job writing this, Meredith.
It's very readable.
I'm very grateful to you because if it wasn't for you, this book couldn't have happened.
Well, it's I'm glad it's happening.
And now we gotta make sure people know about it and read it.
I think it's very important.
Um, you talk about interesting discussion about Stuart Brand, who was a Stanford-trained idealist and systems thinker.
And in 1966, he started saying, you know, why haven't we seen a photograph of the whole Earth yet?
He made buttons and sold them to college campuses and they sent them to scientists, engineers, policymakers at NASA.
He wanted to get an image of the whole Earth.
We had never seen the Earth from a perspective of outside the Earth.
Where we could, and then of course, when the Apollo 8 mission took that famous Earthrise photograph with one of the astronauts, William Anders, the world had its first view of Earth rising as the sun rises above the earth or appears to on you know, dawn.
Well, the earth rose above the sun, as it were, as dawn and the moon.
And so tell us about why that photograph was so important and what the evolution of that was all about.
So that chapter is on the liminal spaces, these in-between worlds that we're in when something traumatic happens, for example, and the world is no longer the same.
Our life is no longer the same as it was before that trauma, but we're not fully in this new world yet.
And so I'm describing where we are as society, we're in this weird state where lots of people are describing life as surreal, things feel very surreal.
The COVID thing happened, and then it just went away as if it never happened, and people are in this limbo state.
And so I was describing some of the progression in history that took place and the liminality and how art is often used as a powerful transformative tool.
And that can be used for healing trauma, but it can also be used as propaganda and weaponization.
And there's often this talk about unity and how you know unity is the most important thing, and we just all need to get together and unify, and everything's gonna be all right.
And that sounds great, except when you're talking about dealing with abusers, because if you unite with abusers, that puts you in danger.
And oftentimes we're brought together in political campaigns that offer unity that aren't for our highest good, that have subtle manipulation in the subtext.
And so this earthrised image was really interesting because, you know, they they had made sure that so many people around the world could see this broadcast, so that everyone was entering this collective awe.
And there was a reason for feeling that awe.
It was the first time people had seen allegedly this view of the earth from a spaceship orbiting the moon.
But also, I believe that was used to manipulate people.
And when we see how that started to create this progression in the technological developments that took place in the control grid being created with the technology, I'm urging some caution because I feel like our earthrise moment is coming,
that perhaps there will be some image or some form of art or something that involves outer space or technology in some kind of way that may be used to manipulate us to open to something that may or may not have our best interests at hand.
It's fascinating.
You're talking about the avant-garde art, you know, the post-World War I and World War II era with all the surrealism and uh how it reframed our image of reality.
Why don't you uh discuss how that goes together with your discussion of the Earthrise?
Yeah.
So after World War I and the so-called Spanish flu pandemic, that was in the 1920s when surrealism emerged as a form of art.
And from my perspective, it seems that they were trying to make sense of the absurdity and the destruction and the horrific things that had taken place in the world, which most people were not able to talk about, were not able to address, much like what's happening now a hundred years later, what's happened in the last several years, we're not talking about it.
And so I believe that the artists were trying to bring out from the subconscious these ideas and help people to, they were trying to help themselves process it, but also offering this opportunity for people to see this art and perhaps have a transformative experience and be able to process what was going on.
And so as time went on, then you know, there was the depression and there was World War II, and the Surrealists were still making art and they were persecuted by the Nazis actually as degenerative art and producing these ideas that were unacceptable at the time.
And so the avant-garde, that's an interesting military term because this is like a reconnaissance unit that goes out ahead of the main army.
And so they're scouting the terrain ahead.
And the avant-garde artists, their role in society, which Benjamin Olin de Rodriguez said, the artist has a moral obligation to be the avant-garde of the species, to bring these themes into the collective consciousness that people aren't ready perhaps to see.
And so Andre Berton came up with the concept of convulsive beauty, which is like something contradictory, something that's shocking or surprising that's so beautiful that it touches the pain and it makes you cry.
And that's the interesting thing is that grief actually transmutes through convulsive beauty.
And so I believe that the artists of our time are being called to create some kind of avant-garde art.
It may not be physical, like the paintings and whatnot that were done a hundred years ago, because I think nowadays what people are craving so much is a sense of connection and participation.
And so I believe that the avant-garde art of our time is going to have something to do with a collective container of people coming together where they can experience something artistic that allows them to contact that pain and transmute it so that we can heal from the trauma that's taken place.
You've got a fascinating discussion about how humans are creating technology in the image of our biology.
that the binary code of computers is like our nervous system functions, and we're getting increasingly dependent on technology to the point where we're interacting more with our devices than with other human beings.
And so you write this paragraph of uh children nowadays are born, they're called digital natives.
You know, a four-year-old kid usually knows more about how about using your smartphone and tablet than you do.
That's because She was born with the upgraded tech package in her nervous system, which inherited from her parents who were trained to use the devices.
And so you say each new generation's biology is becoming more integrated with the technology, vice versa.
While many think that transhumanism is something of a far-fetched future, I would assert that the merging of humans and AI is already underway.
That's very interesting.
Why don't you elaborate on that?
So this is part of what I'm calling the pandemic of disconnection.
And I believe this is the pandemic that's going to have long-lasting generational impacts, not this so-called virus that took place.
And what's happening is we're more disconnected now than ever.
This didn't start with COVID.
It started actually with the digital age.
And so as the technology was increasingly being introduced, we've been slowly but surely socially engineered to co-regulate more with our devices and with humans.
As mammals, our nervous systems are meant to co-regulate with one another.
We're meant to feel this sense of safety together when we're not in a state of defensiveness, like fight, flight, freeze, and fun.
So when we're in that state of neurological balance, we're able to have this healthy healthy connection that actually creates a sense of homeostasis in our holistic health.
And so during COVID, what happened is we were isolated, we were kept at home, and there was this social engineering to make us turn more toward our devices than ever.
People became more dependent on their devices, working from home, everything children who didn't go to school were left on their devices.
And so what's happening is we're becoming more disconnected from one another, and we're being led into this world where we're trained to co-regulate with our devices.
If you're standing in line at Starbucks or somewhere, people aren't talking.
Everybody's looking at their device.
As soon as people get anxious, they pick up the phone, they pick up their device.
When two people are sitting at a table, they did a study a few years ago.
If there's a cell phone on the table, whether it's face up or face down, both people are hesitant to get into a deep conversation because both of our nervous systems are anticipating that someone's going to reach for that phone and interrupt that connection.
So we have these children now who came into the world having no understanding of what is life or what is relationship before the devices.
You and I come from generations where we remember life before the internet and before these devices.
We remember human connection before all of that.
They have no background experience of that.
So my calling is for us to pay attention and recognize what's happening because these children are going to grow up.
What is life and relationships going to be like for them when they have no background understanding of connection without these devices?
It's you say one thing is certain, although paradox, our human experience is fractured yet interconnected.
Whether we're aware of it or not, we are all searching for meaning amidst the chaos, trauma, and shock.
Here the shadow of the threshold that leads to our future.
We are navigating the liminal spaces together, yet we are more isolated than ever.
That's an interesting concept too, though.
So that you know, the isolation that's brought on by all these devices.
Um is again when you when you go through your cycle of isolation and you know, occasional acts of kindness and uh the whole feeling you're trapped and you can't get out.
You know, we're we're really trapped in this internet technical device world.
I mean, how do you function if you don't function within that world?
You know, I mean, it's I like if someone says, you know, to me, I got asked the other day, um, what was life like before we had these devices?
And I said, you mean these um surveillance instruments that we're carrying around?
You know, we don't realize that we are entering into a world where we are submitting to every action that we are undertaking, being monitored.
And that's the full, I mean, that's isolation, it's interconnected, but it's also interconnected isolation, which is, I mean, what a comment on that.
What uh what I mean, I I see that as being one of the great threats of the future.
Absolutely, because simulation is replacing connection.
It's a false sense of intimacy, a false sense of connection that we have through these devices.
That you and I are having this connection now, which is amazing because of the technology, and at the same time we're not connecting in person, which is that mammalian co-regulation piece.
Like there's some degree of that that happens online, but it's not the same.
And so it's really concerning where this is going because our nervous systems are being changed by these devices because it's the same language that our nervous system speaks.
That transhumanism is already happening.
Right now, the device is external, but it probably won't be that long before they offer us a solution where the device is implanted inside of our bodies for convenience or for your good in some kind of way.
And that's really alarming.
And so this is my calling to humanity to recognize what's happening because we're losing our ability to connect.
And I'm concerned where this goes for future generations, that they lose this ability to connect, then they're entirely plugged into this hive mind through the technology, which is uh which is increasing at a rate far faster than we are able to adapt.
In the past, the increase in technology was quite slow over time, and people had a chance to adapt slowly, but now we're reaching that vertical part of the curve where it's exponential growth.
It's happening so fast.
And we are so traumatized and shut down from what has happened in our world that we're just kind of drifting into this.
And so most people aren't even paying attention because they're barely surviving at this point.
And you talk a lot about the um childhood trauma and how it gets unresolved and we don't become responsible adults because we have not um handled our wounded inner child.
Want to talk about that?
Yeah, so these are the childhood experiences that we have, and you know, we can acknowledge that without blaming our parents, we can acknowledge that everybody has experienced childhood trauma to some degree.
So what happens is it fragments the soul.
And there are like these parts of our soul that are exiled from us.
And so life events happen and things trigger those inner child parts.
So when something happens that reminds our nervous system of something that happened in the past that was unresolved, we instantly get triggered into this inner child state.
So when people are reacting as children, we see this frequently online.
All of this, it's almost like toddlers yelling at one another, fighting.
It's inner child that's being triggered.
And so, unfortunately, nowadays in relationships, when people meet, instead of people meeting, it's more like trauma meeting trauma and people triggering one another's trauma and defense mechanisms.
And it's very challenging for people to connect without doing that inner child work.
And they don't understand what's actually happening.
So this is why it's so important to integrate these childlike parts because we're still living in this, even though we are adults.
It's like being a child in an adult body until we integrate these parts of ourselves.
And the inner adolescent is very similar, but it's a little bit different.
The adolescent is the part of us that wants to protect us, that rebelled against whatever was happening.
We were very little children.
We just had to comply to survive.
Most of us learned that we can't fight, that there's nowhere else to go, that you either escape in some kind of way through fantasy or video games or food or something like that.
And then by the time we get into adolescent, now we start to rebel against that to some degree.
And what happens is we we are it's challenging to hate our parents or to hate something that's happening in our environment.
So we direct that hatred inward.
And a lot of us are carrying self-hatred that plays out in our relationships as hating one another, but it's actually our self-hatred.
And so integrating these parts of ourselves and processing what happened and then envisioning something different happening is what actually changes things because our subconscious can't tell the difference between what we're vividly imagining and what's actually happening.
So we can integrate these parts of ourselves and become responsible adults who don't get so triggered, who are more capable of being present, who are more capable of accessing these higher states of consciousness instead of getting triggered into these defensive primal states.
We're talking with um Meredith Miller, and the uh book is Becoming Whole.
Just recently published, and it's one that I'm I wanted to get published.
I'm an aging of what we're acquiring editor, Post Hill Press.
this is a book we wanted to publish how to prevent Stockholm Syndrome and Transcend Darkness in your life and relationships.
And uh we'll we're gonna have you back.
I want to kind of like a last question.
When you're counseling people, where do you start and how do how does your counseling sessions go?
What do you do with people to get them to become whole?
So I don't counsel, I coach people, but the work that I do is holistic.
And so a person will come to me with what they're struggling with in their life.
Like, for example, maybe they feel like they're not speaking up.
They really want to step into their purpose, but they feel like they don't speak up for themselves.
They feel like they don't honor themselves when they're especially in a social context, right?
So we'll get the I'll get the person to talk about what's what's happening in their life now, and that activates this energy packet in their body.
And so then I guide the person into an embodiment practice where I help them through their breath to bring their awareness further into their body and identify the sensations that are coming up as they're thinking about this situation in their life.
So they start to name the sensations.
Maybe it's a knot in their stomach or tension in their heart, and then we track the feelings.
What does that feel like?
Maybe they describe that they feel like they're carrying this heavy weight in their stomach that they can't let go of, or maybe they feel like their chest is going to explode, and they explain the feelings, and then we get to the emotional layer.
And once they identify the emotion, maybe it's fear, maybe it's anger, that emotion is the thread to the inner child memory that maybe the person doesn't even remember.
So it's not about using their mind to remember, but we just ask the body and the subconscious to bring about the memory that's associated with the very first time the person felt that way.
And so instantly they'll start to see this memory of childhood or this place or something that's taking place.
And as they describe it, they begin to see their inner child in that situation.
And so what I have them do is recognize the truth that that little child couldn't fully embrace, couldn't fully speak of because of the situation.
And then what was the need that was unmet?
And so then I have the person as the attuned adult that they didn't have in that moment, enter that scene and begin to meet the need of that child.
And usually it's some form of reassurance that the child needs some form of safety.
And then I also invite the person to take the child out of that scene and somewhere else where the child wants to go, where the child feels safe and they can explore.
So they take them somewhere.
Maybe it's the woods, it's the beach, it's grandma's house, it's somewhere else.
And then we start to unpack the programming that took place.
So the stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves and what that meant about us, like it's all my fault, or I don't have the right to exist, or something's wrong with me.
These are programs we get that then repeat through our lifetime.
And this actually comes from ancestral trauma.
We inherit these simply by incarnating in certain family lineages based on the unresolved trauma of that family system.
It gets imprinted on us in the womb and in childhood, but it's not even ours.
It comes from our ancestry.
So I have people then clear these programs and we download new programs, new experiences from the creator from God.
So the person begins to have a new experience free from these old programs.
And as we integrate this, they bring the child into their heart.
Then what happens is their life starts to change.
They start to respond differently to life.
They start to feel differently.
They start, for example, in the case of the person who couldn't speak up, all of a sudden they start speaking up easier and without anger and without feeling like they're defensive, they're just speaking their truth, and their life begins to change.
And so that's the amazing thing about when we integrate these fragments of our soul, we actually become more whole.
Even to talk about things that are happening and how you interpret them.
It'd be fascinating to see your view.
Um, so we've been talking with Meredith Miller, book Becoming Whole, just been published.
Uh, I really encourage you to get a copy of it.
It's a very easy and fast read.
I think you'll enjoy it.
It's fascinating and uh a very interesting uh perspective, which I think has a lot of merit to it.
So thank you, Meredith.
We really appreciate it.
And again, your website is innerintegration.com.
And people can reach you through the uh your website.
Correct.
There's a way to uh interact with you so that they can uh in uh we discuss transformative experiences and your counseling and how I think it's a fascinating website, fascinating book.
And uh thank you for joining us.
Thank you so much.
So um this is Dr. Trome Corsey at Corcy Nation.
And in the end, God always wins, and I think Meredith's work is part of God winning.
So um God bless everybody for listening.
We are doing podcasts every weekday.
Uh, thank you for joining us, and please take a look at this book.
