Oct. 2, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Scott Wiper on “Flynn”: The Untold Story of General Michael Flynn
On this encore episode of The Truth Central, Dr. Jerome Corsi is joined by Scott Wiper, creator and director of the powerful new movie Flynn, which tells the true story of General Michael Flynn — former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Trump National Security Advisor, and one of the Deep State’s biggest targets.Together, Wiper and Corsi take a deep dive into:🎬 The Making of Flynn — why Scott Wiper set out to tell General Flynn’s real story.🛰️ Flynn at the DIA — his groundbreaking intelligence work and what made him a threat to entrenched interests.⚖️ The Obama Clash — Flynn’s uneasy relationship with Barack Obama and the bureaucrats who despised his independence.🕵️ Deep State Retribution — how Flynn’s service under Trump drew the full wrath of Washington insiders.💔 Personal Sacrifice — how Flynn was pressured to sacrifice his career and reputation when the government threatened to jail his son.🇺🇸 Commitment to Service — Flynn’s lifelong dedication to defending America, even in the face of overwhelming attacks.👉 Watch the official Flynn movie here: https://www.flynnmovie.com/This is a story of courage, sacrifice, and truth the mainstream media never wanted told.🌐 Visit Corsi Nation: https://corsination.comSupport our partners:• MyVitalC: https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/• Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.php📬 Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/📖 Get your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin: How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush — Call 800-519-6268🐦 Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1🔔 Subscribe for more exclusive interviews and deep dives into truth the media refuses to cover.👍 Like, share & comment to support General Flynn’s story and legacy.#GeneralFlynn #FlynnMovie #ScottWiper #DeepState #Trump #Obama #CorsiNationBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
Scott Wiper, who is produced and directed and the whole film for General Flynn, Flynn the Movie.
And uh we've interviewed General Flynn.
We've had a good discussion with him on the Truth Central as he um was doing his tour around the country with this film.
It's been highly successful.
You can see it.
Chris is showing you now on the screen, the Flynn, the movie website.
And you can see that there's many places where you can get the DVD, you can buy it on Amazon.
I got it from myself on Prime.
And you can do about YouTube, uh TV, uh the Apple, iTunes, Google Play, um, Salem Now, Fandangle, and you can buy the uh the streaming video directly from Flynn, and there's just a lot of different places where you can buy the DVD, even an Amazon, Walmart, Target, Salem Now, Epic TV.
Uh, the there's just a it's it's should be everywhere.
And this Flynn, the movie, uh I'm so impressed with this.
And I've watched it and just studied, I've known General Flynn since 2016.
I met him at the convention in Cleveland when Donald Trump was uh inaugural was nominated for the presidency, and Flynn and I have been in touch on an off and on basis.
Certainly when he was with the Mueller investigation, I was with the Mueller investigation.
We kind of broke off contact for a while.
We didn't want to be seen as kind of colluding in the background.
They would one way or the other try to use that against us, but I've had uh great conversations with the general.
I have tremendous respect for him, and it's a great honor, Scott, to be talking with you today about the inside of how this film came together.
So uh why don't we start, Scott?
If you give us some of your background, I mean, uh, how did you get into the film industry?
And you know, what is your niche and uh how did you get together with the general?
I guess all those are questions in my mind.
You can start anywhere you want.
Start and you can cut me off if I go too long, uh, as far as the nutshell.
Um, and thank you, Dr. Corsey, for having me on on your show and for your words about Flynn movie.
The um it uh, you know, I I'm coming from uh Hollywood.
I've escaped it for the last couple of years.
Um, but I went out there in the in the early 90s and have pretty much just made um my living as an action movie director.
So this is my first documentary.
Uh I have been very passionate about movies since you know, as soon as I got my hands on a video camera in the mid-80s, uh, and uh went to film school at Wesley University in Connecticut, a very liberal school.
Um, but there were only so many schools in 1988 that had a film program.
There was USC, NYU, and Wesley University.
Um but uh this probably around 2020, 2021.
I was uh, you know, I'm also a screenwriter, so that's probably the most important skill in forming uh uh telling any two-hour story, which is how do you translate something as massive as the General Flynn story, which encompasses the Moeller investigation and Russia Gate and invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Um how do you tell it in two hours, right?
So one thing when I uh so backtracking, so I've been making these action movies.
Um uh The Cold Light of the Day with Bruce Willis, Sigorina Weaver and Henry Cavill, A Better Way to Die, um The Big Ugly with Ron Perlman and uh Vinny Jones and Malcolm McDowell.
And I sat down to work on my next movie, and I just couldn't do it.
Anytime the subplots kept getting bigger and bigger, and I was trying to work in things that mattered, you know, like the opioid crisis, uh um all the many subjects that you hit on.
Uh I would work in things about JFK, just random things that were mattered to me, and I realized I wasn't gonna be able to address it to calm my soul, just making an action thriller.
And I I put the word out that I just knew I wanted to do something.
Um and be careful what you wish for, right?
And it was is great.
I threw a series of events.
Um I know General Flynn was looking for filmmakers and actively sitting down with them.
And uh I got invited when you uh when it started this particular project, and I'd driven all over the nation talking to people about what you know, can I make a can I do something?
I didn't know if it'd be a drama or a documentary, I had no idea.
But uh I went down in February of 2023.
I did not fly when I got the invitation because I said to my fiance, she was why don't you, you know, it's a three-hour flight.
I said, I have a feeling I'm not coming back.
And uh that time I was in Cleveland having left Los Angeles, so I drove 18 hours and I didn't come home until we were done filming.
And we filmed in April of 2023.
Wow, well, that's incredible.
I I was born and raised in Cleveland.
I went to uh St. Ignatius High School in Case Western Reserve uh for my undergraduate work before I went to Harvard.
And so I I know Cleveland pretty well.
I knew I knew you were you had Cleveland roots.
Um there's a sp there's uh it's very good to be talking to a fellow.
And I was raised about two hours south of of Cleveland, down in Grandville, Ohio.
Sure.
Left there in 1988, but I'm an Ohioan at heart.
Maybe that's what kept me sane in uh at 30 years in Los Angeles.
Well, that's how you made some good movies.
Uh this thing with General Flynn, how did you get together with General Flynn?
Did he contact you?
Did you contact him?
What happened?
Yes, I was uh he'd been told about me and he'd been met with many filmmakers from what I've been told.
And uh uh he was told you got to meet this guy.
He's he's um uh Hollywood didn't get the best of him.
He's he's uh and the invitation was very it was very no nonsense.
It was uh I remember it was mid-February.
Can you are you available to meet with General Flynn uh February 18th, 2023?
And that was I think Monday night, and I the next day was the 14th, and I said, absolutely, and then I decided I would drive.
So and it went um, we probably sat for five hours the first time the room was full of you know of people, and then uh after that weekend, I stayed in Florida and we uh met again.
This time it was more intimate and just talked, you know, that for me at the start, I didn't it didn't uh my mind, my brain just wasn't on week making a movie, you know, the way kind of like ambitious Hollywood people can get at that state where I was um digesting all the information I could find,
including many of stuff many of the work you've put out, um to just sit down with a with uh with a three-star general who ran one of our largest intelligence agencies, the DIA defense intelligence agency, and had been an uh uh a national security advisor.
These are the things I always say in these are the perks of of Hollywood, right?
You're you get to meet interesting people, but this one took took the you know, this was um so I uh an opportunity to sit and talk to me that was worth any that was worth the drive, right?
That was worth the time.
But instantly uh something clicked.
Uh uh my as far as understanding what's happening in the world, you see the household I grew up in in uh here in Ohio, um in the 80s, I ran contra and what was going on uh about all those events was dinner table conversation.
So although I've been in movies, some of my frustration with kind of the Hollywood atmosphere is most of my close friends uh sometimes want to avoid um a dinner with me if something intense is going on because I just I want to get into subjects like this uh probably for too many hours than than most of my close friends want to handle.
So so sitting down with a national security advisor to me was um uh fascinating.
Well, it's and uh Christopher you'll get ready um uh I want to do show show some of this.
We get into this.
I want to show the trailer.
We'll get it into the conversation bit but towards the end, I want to make sure we show the trailer.
Uh, the um the move, you know, the the film starts out with the which I thought was a really creative way to do it.
You have the general surfing and talking about the ocean and the challenges of the ocean and the family.
You begin to introduce the family as a family that is adventurous, is in touch with nature, is willing to take challenges.
I mean, you know, surfing and the way the general does it is pretty aggressive.
I thought that's not the safest sport in the world.
And well, you he uses in his language, he uses a lot of aquatic metaphors.
And when I said we first when we first sat, I really tried to just um just listen and talk, and I gave a little bit about myself so I could see I could kind of see who he was, just as if they had their neighbors over for a barbecue, and I was trying to just see who who this man is, and I found him incredibly uh likable, incredibly intelligent, um uh without all the affects of uh I guess politics or military.
He just is a very warm guy, and but the that water clearly growing up on the ocean Rhode Island, it affected all the family, but he always went for an aquatic metaphor for I felt like I was drowning, or you know, when you when you get he would use surf terms when you get in a you get hit by a big wave and you go under.
And uh so I thought, well, instantly, I think probably the first time I said, Well, we sounds like we're we're definitely gonna capture some some water images.
Um I also thought it was it was interesting because I didn't I I wasn't I didn't know a ton, and so I wasn't expecting uh a man his age to still be surfing because I grew up in uh I spent the last 30 years in Venice Beach, California.
So the surfers I saw were not not quite, they weren't three-star general security advisors.
So I thought that was interesting, and it's something why didn't I know that?
Like why the there's a very human side to General Flynn that the corporate media never shows, right?
Right.
They they have made an attempt to dehumanize him.
I and I made a I I wanted to make a uh a big effort to let remind people of all political persuasions that this this is a this is a human and his family, they're a human family.
And uh if you're gonna even start to understand, you have to reverse what they've done, which is um to portray uh they do it to many people, and you you you probably know the list of people where they I can sense it's an orchestrated effort to dehumanize someone because once you've done that, the public it's much easier to manipulate the narrative.
That's right, and they do it to all of us that they disagree with.
And uh, but it the I thought I especially did like the family part of it because you brought in his wife, was his high school sweetheart, really, that he married young, and they've and she seems like a a very strong woman and a very strong part of his life,
and they seem very together as a team, and his son who you also introduced into the movie and was part of the story, not only because he was doing public relations for the general, but he became part of the Mueller investigation.
We'll cover that in a minute.
But I really appreciated knowing more about his family.
I had not seen his wife, I didn't really know that part of his life at all, and it really illuminated a depth to the general.
I mean, first of all, General Flynn just looks like a general.
I mean, it is physical looks.
This is a guy who you know, if you're casting, this is the guy you would cast to be a three-card star general, and in fact, he is.
He has he looks the part and the demeanor is such that it's military, but yet he's very human in terms of his interests.
He's very you know, caring about people.
The uh they you do a good deal on introducing it with his background, and you know, he's been a warrior and and highly Regarded in intelligence.
You want to talk that you you showed scenes from Afghanistan.
You showed the different parts of his warrior activities going back to when he was very young, which I thought was fascinating.
Want to comment on that, Scott?
Absolutely.
And you know, by design, I thought the movie should begin, you know, with a quick intro, re you know, uh, but then you get into the war because first and foremost, he's a soldier, all right, which they um people need to know.
He he has spent time in a lot of time in uh active combat.
Uh and he uh has seen death, he has seen the atrocities of war, and in extended conversations that um uh forms many of his opinions.
Um by no means is is he anti-right, the language the terms are are tricky.
He's he's of course he's not a pacifist, but he is he is someone that knows that when we make decisions about war and the potential loss of life, it has to be done with uh extreme uh uh care and thought.
And that that hit me.
And now, you know, I for many for most of my adult life, I was a California Democrat, right?
So, and and this wasn't about politics to me.
There's it had nothing to me.
This was a uh I was trying to get the film to to transcend that.
But I thought the war element is something everybody should know.
Um, I also found that it um you unifies people, and that was uh a goal of uh the film, which is this is not about uh the crossfire of two different sides.
The audiences had let's say that any audience is probably consumed at 2,000 hours of the corporate media's vision of General Flynn.
This movie for for I tell I tell people, well, you now you've got two hours, and this is coming from him and his family and other members uh in the media and uh the uh military and intelligence services.
Um, and and you can digest it and balance it all out for yourself.
But it was important for me that they can tell their story.
Um, and all we did was follow the truth, you know, because even the crew, many of the most of my crew, I didn't change the crew to do a film with General Flynn.
I brought in my Hollywood crew.
You you know, the the thing that impressed me, and there's a lot of signals the general gives off.
I mean, you know, for instance, uh he was very clear about having saying that you know, war is a very serious matter, and we shouldn't go to war except for a compelling reason, and then he gave off a number of signals.
Uh, General Smedley Butler, who you know, in the 1930s wrote a book called War is a Racket and talked about how all we're doing is fighting wars for the arms dealers and these perpetual wars that the deep state runs.
Well, General Flynn comments that war about war being a racket, he comments about the arms dealers, he comments about perpetual war.
So for a warrior, he understands that many of the battles we get into, you know, that there is a deep state here.
This is the best of Dr. Jerome's.
So therefore, the government lying to get us into a war, he's intelligence officer, he's aware that these manipulations go on, and he's aware of it in a very deep way.
I mean, that came through to me from just the little signals he gave off that were indicative that he's been there, he's seen it, he's been on battlefields and said, Why are we doing this?
Yes, is when he said it live.
I mean, we you know, we did a hundred hours of interviews, but I remember a nugget where he said, and this is in the start of the film, if we're going to war, it means we've failed.
Yes, war is a failure of leadership, it is a failure of diplomacy, it is a failure of policy.
And I went that because it's always trying to break the cliche, right?
If someone is a three-star general, um, the media, if they want to character assassinate him, and they do, um, they're gonna paint him as a war hawk, or they're gonna paint him as oh, Make the public fit fear this person because it's something out of a Stanley Kubrick movie, right?
It's a general that wants nothing but war.
So I thought instantly that was important for the audience to see because it's not just one line, it was a theme about throughout, you know, you you you prepare for war, but you hope for peace, right?
And so there's just a complexity to a very uh rational, compassionate man who understands war.
And I thought that was important for for all audience because the other goal was we weren't making a film to preach to the choir, right?
Um my desire after talking with the general was that we would make something that um all of us can share with our friends who might not uh see it yet, or they might be resistant to it because maybe they're left of center,
maybe they're they're they've been um but I wanted something where on that war front, um, and I I remember early uh you know, remember when Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were campaigning in 2016, they had crowds of you know, 10, 20, 30,000, and the main message was end the endless wars.
And then Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton, you know, a part of the what I call the the war machine, right?
They had crowds of at least uh dozens, if not hundreds of people.
Um so I saw that one thing that unites um uh citizens of a country is this subject of war.
And someone like General Flynn should be in a position of power because I say this about anyone who understands who's been there in these wars, when decisions are being made, someone who actually know knows what what the reality is should be involved in those decisions.
Yeah, I think that's a very important point.
Um also is like some of the complexities of his life and involvement.
He uh the Obama part, I thought you did it particularly well.
The you know, so here's the general, and he's now beginning to write reports and he's beginning to say our intelligence is deficient, we're not doing a good job on intelligence, we're not accurately understanding the world situation, we're making political decisions that may be inappropriate, and it begins to get vocal about this.
Now all of a sudden Obama pays attention to him and brings him back to Washington, and you make the point of you want to have your enemies closer.
In other words, they want to bring the general out of the field where they can get him in a can in Washington where they can control him and rein him in and make him follow the rules.
I thought that was an interesting perception.
You want to comment on that?
Yeah, it's still um like many things in life, it's still an open question.
Um Bob Gates was involved in that too.
Um, I believe, just from reading through Bob Gates after General Flynn wrote fixing intel, which kind of uh goes after my assessment of it, goes after your standard CIA method of intelligence, which is whatever you get, it goes to the top, and then the top decides where it goes, right?
So it allows uh some uh it allows an organization to become a captured um uh organization, uh captured outfit very quickly, because all you gotta do is capture the top.
So my assessment of fixing intel was was to decentralize intelligence so it can be shared across the lower ranks, um, and it can't be controlled by the top.
So that was instantly one could argue a threat to the way things have been done.
Right.
Well that caused it sounded like when fixing intel, he wrote that, he put it out uh towards the end of 2009.
Um that could have ended his career.
And there's some stories of you know, people, you know, um, but it was I believe Bob Gates, Secretary of Defense who said, you know, this is this is genius, this is what this is smart, and then uh Jim Clapper and uh others in the Obama administration, and and Bob Gates had been secretary of defense that spanned over Bush into Obama, so maybe he was um a a reasonable person, but I think it's an interesting fact, right?
That that it was a secretary of defense who said, no, this is great.
And then when the decision was made, was this because oh, this this uh man who's been in the heart of the highest levels of intelligence in Iraq and Afghanistan really knows what we really want to bring an intelligent person into the Obama administration, or is it a case of um keep your enemy keep your uh friends close but your enemies closer?
Yeah, I mean Obama promoted General Flynn to be head of the defense intelligence agency, so he gave him a very powerful position, right?
Which you would assume he would did because he trusted him.
Okay, now that's that's and the idea that he was put there so he could be controlled by Brennan at the CIA by Clapper and these other intelligence officers around him who were in fact Obama loyalists, and that they had deep state attitudes, they didn't mind lying to defeat Donald Trump.
They had an agenda that was a globalist agenda, they were not necessarily interested in the U.S. interests per se.
They were inclined to fight perpetual wars.
I mean, Obama was radicalizing everything since the first day he got into office.
He was radicalizing race, you know, saying that this professor uh story about be losing his keys and trying to get into his home in Cambridge and was uh arrested by a Cambridge policeman that that was uh racial bias and all the things that Obama did to radicalize everything,
and now Flynn comes in, he starts in the uh defense intelligence, begins doing his job the way he wants to, and he's got an assessment before color that doesn't agree with where Brennan and Clapper have decided that they want to control the narrative, and Flynn's out there saying, No, it isn't that way at all.
I don't agree.
Now that's not supposed to happen.
Washington politics are all supposed to be on the same narrative, and here's Flynn telling the truth.
That's you're not supposed to tell the truth in Washington, you're supposed to stay with the narrative, the established line.
And so Flynn immediately starts targeting himself.
And you and I think you did a good job of illustrating that, uh, Scott.
I can remember the one scene where they're all coming in front of Congress and testifying, and Flynn's out there giving his own report.
What want to comment on that part of the movie?
I thought it was particularly good.
In front of Congress with uh yes, well, the um, so Jim Clapper, uh Jim Comey, John Brennan, General Flynn are going in front of Congress.
I believe what I think was the state of ISIS was the topic, and everyone um uh everyone was uh uh basically saying, Oh, you know, it it stems with the the narrative was that a JV team, no worries, right?
And they all went through we got them under control, we got them under control, and the report, and this isn't just General Flynn's sitting up there giving his opinion.
At that time, he had 20,000 employees under him at the defense intelligence agency.
This was their report, and the night before he'd been given a red-lined version of his report, and he said, No, this is wrong.
Like I've got to tell the people the truth.
And so this is where you see he's incorruptible.
And they may have banked on the fact that once someone is comes into Washington and you whine and dine them and you give them you know the um uh interesting story.
Someone who worked at the DIA, I met while some completely separate, said they told me a story about they called security to move like uh a certain car out of uh the the director's space, not realizing that it was General Flynn's car because um he didn't show up in in you know with this big new big job in some fancy car,
and they they they figured oh the director of the this agency, this must not be his car, and they said it in a way like we he we realized right off the bat he was a man of the people.
Um, this is the Washington game.
They take you in and they make you feel special, and then you get to the fancy restaurants and you have to move your family and they find you a place and they pay for your move and everything is comfortable.
And he's incorruptible, yeah.
Yeah, and they expect you to say, well, I don't want to lose this, so I better play the game.
I better go along.
I better understand that this has already been decided, and that I, you know, I don't want to buck this because I do I really want to go back to Kansas, you know.
Am I gonna be thrown out of here?
And and then we're gonna have to move ourselves and it's gonna disrupt the family.
So they're banking on you being corruptible, and Flynn was not.
He wouldn't, he wouldn't.
The red line means they crossed out the part of General Flynn's prepared remarks that they didn't want him to read, and they gave him the parts that they wanted him to read.
They made it their narrative and refused to do that.
Now, at that particular time was going on is you had John Kerry and uh uh McCain coming before Congress and saying we have to work with the moderate terrorists, the moderate rebels, and they were actually involved in creating ISIS.
Obama helped create ISIS through Kerry and Flynn.
I solidly believed that and Baghdadi, of course, then turned against them, and they had meetings with all of these the the core group that was the ISIS originally, and so their idea was we could support the moderate terrorists to combat against the extreme terrorists,
but I always thought that Obama and and they were all gonna make money on the terrorist war continuing with the disruption, which Obama liked because it was destabilizing, and that's part of the communist agenda to destabilize America.
And I've always believed Obama was trained as trained in communism from Frank uh Marshall Davis, was himself anti-American, fundamental change to America.
Well, thank you very much.
We're seeing what that means today with the woke and the rest of it.
But the point is that Flynn wasn't buying it.
He was saying ISIS is a terrorist group, we gotta take them seriously, they're gonna do damage, and and Flynn was right.
Now, suddenly Obama turns on Flynn.
Okay, so Flynn loses his job as the EI heading the defense intelligence agency, and he in retirement now for a while.
Okay, so this for military is a big disgrace, but Flynn didn't seem to mind it too much.
He took it and then the next part of the movie that really caught my attention.
I thought you did a very good job with all of this, was that when Trump is coming on, the one person that Obama in their private conversation, president outgoing to president incoming, that's a very important conversation.
And Obama says, Don't hire Flynn.
No, I've always thought he didn't want him hiring Flynn because Flynn knew too much about Obama, and if Flynn was national security advisor, he would go after Obama and he would go after all the things Obama did with Iran and supporting Iran, go after all the deals that were made behind the table.
So what do you think about that?
And uh, I've written articles on this, I've talked to the general about it.
Um, I think the general agrees that had he been remaining as national security advisor for Trump, we'd be living in a different world today.
Scott, you know, that's so much right there.
It's I was once told about you know, the someone in in the intelligence world, these these globalists are flat thinkers.
Uh uh, maybe it's true because when I analyze when I think about um you know Obama, the other thing, Obama never met General Flynn, which is which is mind-blowing, right?
I don't maybe it's unpre unprecedented that a sitting president does not meet the man that he's putting in charge of one of the largest intelligence agencies.
That's in the movie in more detail.
But so even if you're thinking and you've done some research on candidate pre Donald Trump, and you want you want to make sure he doesn't uh hire General Flynn.
Wouldn't the logical thing say this either Don't mention him or say this is the this is the guy you really want.
So a lot of it, I constantly think these things through, right?
Yeah, well, you're right.
I mean, that probably probably if Obama doesn't want me hiring Flynn, maybe I ought to do it.
Right.
I I've watched people trying to sabotage friendships, use much more complex psychology than this.
Um I think you make the point that's really when Flynn and Trump got started getting together.
Is you know that it's this whole uh Obama opposition made Trump uh made Flynn more interesting to Trump.
Well, General Flynn had you know, for your audience, he as soon as soon as he retired from the military, and it was uh basically because of that event in within the Obama administration.
So he was um uh when he retired, and he instantly went into you know doing things, and I I got uh being active, um and he's just that kind of guy, I kind of described him the other day as um the movie Cool Hand Luke.
Um, there's a fight scene between um George Kennedy and uh Paul Newman, and it's a classic you know depiction of David and Goliath, but and David just does not stop.
But so the general continued on, and he well, he was willing to advise anyone, any presidential candidate, and he said, I would have advised Bernie Sanders if he called, and I would have advised, but he ended up advising about five um presidential candidates, one of them being Donald Trump, and then spent a lot of time on the campaign trail with Donald Trump.
So by the time Obama gave him that uh Donald Trump that advice don't hire Kim Jong un of North Korea or General Flynn, right?
Uh Donald Trump had already come to know General Flynn very well, so then it was a quick phone call.
Um covered in the movie, and and also Trump also made overtures towards Kim Yong.
So he did he he took what Obama said to him and said, if Obama doesn't want me to do the these things, maybe it's what I should do.
I mean, right Trump immediately said, you know, if Obama doesn't like it, then maybe I should like it.
And that's Devin Nunez says in the movie is you can't make this stuff up.
Yeah, you can't make it up.
I mean, and so then we come to the part of the movie where he's covering the setup, you know, the Department of Justice decides they're gonna come over and see uh Flynn, and they're gonna trap him.
Uh coming over actually, we're just here, General, to talk with you.
This is not an official, and of course, as soon as the FBI says that to you, you want to get a lawyer, and um, you should not talk to the FBI without a lawyer.
I certainly when they knocked on my door for the Mahler investigation, I said, Thank you very much, gentlemen, for being here.
Well, first we had German Shepherds at that time, and German Shepherds could taste FBI, so we had to get them secured before we opened the door, or we would have dead dead German Shepherds pretty quick, and uh then we've talked to them and said, Look, I said, Well, I'm gonna get my attorney right away, and who do we contact?
But I don't have anything to say right now, so they went away.
But the point is that they entrapped him, and they they talked about this Russian call and talking about sanctions.
I mean, it's complicated story, but they set Plynn up intentionally, they went over there to entrap him, and so the FBI was already working against Donald Trump, which was the beginning of the Russian collusion idea, which Hillary had started surfacing when the emails were stolen and she and were published by in 2016 in campaign by Julian Assange, who's just been released from prison, thank God.
But the point is that uh this Russian collusion story was now beginning to build to try to destroy Trump's first term in office.
I do say first term in office, I think he'll have a second, but the point is that Flynn played a major role in this, and Flynn is not only under indictment, but they say to him, if you don't take a plea deal, we're going to indict your son on a foreign agents Violation because he had been working with Turkey and they didn't register as Turkey agents, all this nonsense.
But they went after Flynn's son to get him to take a plea deal, which would admit culpability on Trump Flynn's part.
And Flynn took the deal to protect his son.
Now that's kind of like falling on a hand grenade to protect the troops.
That's right.
Well, you know, when you you there's many um elements here in this plea deal, but the number one thing he took the plea deal to protect his son.
And um 97 or 98 percent of Americans who are up against the United States government take a plea deal.
There, so that's the other thing I found in the the orchestrated narrative by the mainstream media was oh, I took a plea deal.
But anybody who watches a cop show, anybody who watches NYPD blue, any episode of Law and Order, you always know, especially someone who can't say uh necessarily afford um legal fees, and you have to be a billionaire to afford legal fees up against the United States government, they take a plea deal.
But they um, but the added element that everyone should understand is that they had an off-the-books deal, and this is presented in the movie by one of the attorneys on his team that they would not go after his son if he took the plea deal.
Now, why that was important to me as a storyteller, as a as a movie maker, is because it's that balance of um there's there's the logic, but then there's also heart and soul, right?
And I thought we're not just telling a movie uh of the events, the geopolitical events or the um uh the court case.
We're telling a universal story about family.
At first I said an American family, and the more I hear from people, I said, No, it's it it transcends even our borders.
It's the story of a family because I I figured still needs to be a story that everyone can relate to.
Um, so when we, as you mentioned, we tie in Laurie Flynn, his wife, his high school sweetheart, and his son.
But these the sheer a lot one of the blocks I think a lot of people have in understanding what's happening is their inability to accept how evil uh some of these um organizations are um that we're up against.
And when you see the this the inhumanity of it's they didn't just attempt to destroy General Flynn with um no compassion, they went blindly after any member of his family or anyone who offered him support.
Now, as a storyteller, I'm just like that's something everyone needs to know because um this transcends politics.
This this really comes down to do you have a human heart or not.
Yeah, well, they um trying to do the same thing to me.
That I'm not a billionaire, and they offered me a plea deal.
They said that they're gonna put me in front of a jury.
They thought I had a tie to Assange, which I didn't have, and you say we're gonna put you in front of a jury and they'll convict you, you'll spend the rest of your life in prison.
And I figured that was gonna happen.
Or you can take the plea deal.
Well, I refuse the plea deal.
I couldn't face lying before a judge and a god to just keep myself out of prison.
I said, Well, you better just get ready to put me in prison.
They did not indict me, but that was a miserable time of my life, and it I think probably wrecked my 32-year marriage.
My wife wanted me to get out of politics, and I did for a while to comply with their wishes, and then she had an affair and decided to break the marriage.
I planned to live the rest of my life with her.
At any rate, uh God, I think took her out of my life.
I went back to work, been back at it now, and I think this is what the prices you pay here are enormous.
So I could relate to that part of the movie very personally, because I've been through it.
I knew what General Flynn went through, and what no the whole family went through.
Um that decision is not an easy decision to make.
Now, General Flynn ultimately got Sidney Powell involved, and he was able to reverse this after the Russian collusion story began falling.
This is the best of Dunker Jerome the truth central.
They would have said, see, course he had a tie to Assange.
That's how Roger Snow knew, and that's how Trump knew, and that's how they coordinated the release of these emails with the Russian had stolen.
Well, because I I had not did not have a tie with Assange, and they couldn't find one because it didn't exist.
Their case ended.
And they had to close down the investigation, which they did shortly after I refused the plea deal.
And yet, because General Flynn took the plea deal, his legal trial, his legal case continues, and now he's got to fight that the plea deal was on fraudulent terms, including back deals that the attorneys made with each other to get him to take that deal, including the attorneys representing him, which basically sold him out.
That's why I didn't want to hire Washington attorneys because they all work together, they all work with the government, they'll make deals and sell you out because they're more interested in their relationships with the government.
The governments are planning these Department of Justice people are planning if they're lawyers to retire into these law firms with cushy jobs at the end of their careers.
It's a very tight little family there, and they will sell you out.
Now I thought it took the general and Sydney Powell great courage fighting again the federal establishment, federal judicial establishment, with a judge that did not want to give him favor, and he won.
And again, you tell that story very effectively.
Bringing Sidney Powell into the movie.
One of the strengths of the movie, the way you did the story, and I greatly admire it, was it a story about General Flynn, a human being and a warrior, but complicated warrior, and a hero of America, maybe one of our best generals ever.
Scott, do you want to comment on that?
I agree.
So much to say, right?
Where he uh uh this is what everyone who came in to Florida and met him, uh, they were struck by um his vast knowledge.
So they say, you know, Flynn knows where the bodies are buried, right?
You add that his knowledge of how the system works, uh, with the fact that he's incorruptible, and you can just even see in the movie, he he now is aligned with the Republican Party in the sense that he was uh he supports Donald Trump and uh um he is uh a great pick for anyone with conservative values.
Um, however, he doesn't pause to go after Mike Pence, right?
Or Rance Previs, yes, or uh what we call rhinos, right?
There are many terms, but the fact that he is um uh uh call none of that matters to him.
It is uh he's guided by the truth.
So if someone, if a if a fake Republican uh or a rhino, whatever you want to call them, someone not on board with the interests of the people of this country and the constitutional republic, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what their party is, and that is what the American people have been craving in politics, which is someone who just calls it as it is.
Uh and that comes through.
That comes through any time someone has the uh the chance to spend uh an hour, if not weeks with him.
Well, I thought that that part of the film where you're talking about Mike Pence and Rentz Prevus was very effective, and uh again the the general comes out as a man of God, a man of principles, uh a warrior, but in defense of America with a very sensitive understanding of the evil that has become much Of our government.
And fighting these dark forces, which are globalist, deep state, not loyal to the Constitution, not loyal to the United States, post-American.
We used to carry around the book, you know, post-America.
Well, I'm not interested in post-America.
I'm interested in advancing America and the Constitution and God and principles we have.
And so General Flynn is a true hero to me.
And uh I want to show a little bit of the trailer and then we'll conclude the conversation.
But uh Scott, I I think you've brought done a magnificent film here, and I want everybody to see it.
So uh Chris, if you just go to the trailer, we'll just play the trailer, and people get a sense of what this movie's about.
Go ahead, Chris.
Considered highly skilled when it comes to intelligence gathering years in the U.S. Army.
Flynn knew exactly how the system worked.
He knew exactly what the Intel world had been up to.
He understood its funding.
They had to get rid of Flynn.
President former National Security Advisor, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn pleaded guilty today to lying to the FBI.
There was a moment where I just felt like I was drowning.
...the JV Team.
Do you feel as though your warnings were ignored?
We all knew that he was one of the most respected generals in the military.
Plain and simple.
Well, in 2012, he was uh appointed uh director of defense intelligence agency.
He uh ordered the first audit of the use of DIA's uh use of contractors.
This set off alarm bells.
So I'm in there with these other political appointees.
They're all supposed to go in there and tell what they believe to be the truth.
What they did was they took my my assessment and they and they wanted me to change it.
I was like, I'm not changing it.
Mike Flynn, whatever you think of him or his politics, did not lie, but instead told the truth.
And so he was by definition the most dangerous possible person for Donald Trump to hire.
President Obama said, but I do have one specific recommendation.
Stay away from Michael Flynn.
He's bad news.
I went into the service because I love our country.
And I come home and I find out that the worst enemy that I'm going to face in my life is right here in America.
Even had he not served this country, even if he were not a combat veteran, to turn something like this loose on a family.
I mean, it's monstrous.
The media was out there.
We troll control.
I went into a very deep depression, like suicidal depression.
We always knew that we somehow had to get through it because we knew we wasn't guilty.
Over time, instead of being pounded down below the surface of the ocean, we started to fight I'm now above the surface.
But I can see the shoreline.
and I started to swim.
Well, it's it's a magnificent movie, and I encourage everybody to watch it.
You'll you'll be cheating yourself if you don't watch this film.
This is the true story of General Flynn.
I think Scott, you've done a magnificent job of pulling it together and telling the story the way it is.
I applaud you.
Thank you, Dr. Corse.
And uh Christopher show again where we people can get the film.
I want to make sure everybody knows how to get the film.
First of all, General Flynn has his website.
There's a General Flynn movie website.
You can find it easily.
And uh the trailers on it.
You can get there's different ways to buy this.
You can get it streaming for Amazon Prime has it streaming, uh, YouTube TV, iTunes, uh, which is Apple TV, uh, Google Play, and you can buy the DVD at Amazon, at Walmart, Target, uh, Salem, now.
There's different places to get it, also directly from the Flynn website.
Uh, it's a it just over a little bit over two hours.
And uh, I'll tell you, it will pass very you'll you'll be f you won't miss a minute of this.
You'll be glued to it.
And it is it's excellent storytelling.
Scott, you're cinematographic skills are excellent.
But the story is what really drives this.
It's such a powerful story.
And you do talk about deliver the truth, whatever the cost.
And Mike Flynn has certainly paid a huge price to serve this country, and it would have broken most people, what he had to go through.
And it's a testament to the evil, but it's also a testament to the end God always wins, and the truth wins.
And uh, I'd like to thank you for doing this, and I look forward to many more from you.
