Oct. 1, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Dr. Corsi Talks with Susan Olsen Cancelled from a Brady Bunch Revival, Growing up in Hollywood
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This is Dr. Drone Corsi, and we've got a really special guest with us today, Susan Olson.
How are you, Susan?
I'm fine.
And I'm really thrilled to be here.
You are the man that saved my sanity during COVID.
Okay, well, we'll talk about that.
Uh Susan is known for being Cindy on the Brady Bunch, right?
Yes.
How old were you?
Um when it started, I guess when we did the first episode, I was seven.
And by the time we did the last episode, I was 12.
But the thing kept coming back in different forms.
It was like the the show that wouldn't die.
Well, I'm sure that Chris all set up to play the theme, which everybody knows.
Do it in post.
I'm sure you don't want to hear it again.
Everybody knows it though, right, Chris?
Yes.
I'm sure he's getting something cued up here, so we'll probably hear the theme.
Here we go.
Brady Buddhists there's the Brady Bunch.
Well, this is the good version where we're not singing.
You're not what?
We're not singing.
No, you're not singing.
You want to play it, Chris?
If you could play it.
Otherwise, we could look at it.
There we go.
In color.
So this must have been later on, right?
No, this is early.
This is the first.
Lady, who is bringing up three very lovely girls.
First season.
So this is 1968.
1968.
There we go.
And that's definitely the better version of the song.
And my son, who is a much better musician than I. When we came in and sang it.
Well, we've all heard this.
Okay, Chris, that's probably enough.
We've got the image.
We got it.
First of all, I've got to ask you, how was it to do the show?
What was it?
What was your experience doing the show?
It was great fun.
I mean, um, I wouldn't recommend it for every kid.
I think that we were all kind of different.
And being professional children, having a job at young ages was normal for us.
It was okay for us.
I I do teach acting for children, and I'm I'm honest with parents.
And I'll say I I you know, I don't I don't think he'd really enjoy it or say, well, you know, this way, yeah.
This one's got it.
Um and fortunately, where I teach, the parents are not uh into exploiting their kids.
They're not, you know, they're not trying to make stars out of them.
I teach mostly so that they will have more confidence and be able to speak for themselves.
Well, I'm sure it had to be quite an experience to be you know thrown into a job and uh perform all the time.
I'm sure this was a constant thing, having to learn lines and rehearse and do the shows.
Well, and that's what I wanted.
Um I I wanted by by the ripe age of six, I wanted a steady job.
And I wanted to be on it on a series.
I wanted to be a series regular so I could do this every day.
Did you become Cindy?
No, not at all.
I hated Cindy.
I didn't like her very much.
Um, I thought she was really stupid, and um, she did awful things like tattle on people, which is something I would never do.
Um, but you know, I as a child, I was very kind of offended um by by the things Cindy would do while she was inhabiting my body on TV.
But I mean, yeah, that's just me being nitpicky.
Um and being a child that has to go back to public school and get teased for everything that Cindy does.
You know, it's bad enough I do something stupid, which happens frequently.
Um, but but you know, to get teased for what Cindy did was kind of unfair.
Well, and uh, so you when did the show end for you?
When did you quit doing the show?
Um, well, uh it got canceled um in must have been mixed up.
It's like 72, I think.
68, it's like four years.
68 was when we did the pilot and those the footage that you saw, but it didn't air until um 69.
So 697.
Well, 69 it got canceled.
Okay, 68, of course, was um uh a critical year.
It was year the conventions were going on in Chicago, we had riots, the Democratic National Convention, the Vietnam War protests were going on.
Um Lyndon Johnson had just said he would not run for re-election.
We had the Brady family and the Manson family.
Brady family and the Manson family had the Manson family who's also their insanity of killing people out in California.
And um those were the years that through 72-73 would have been the first year of the Nixon administration.
Yeah, um, and again, the country was still involved with Vietnam, the Vietnam protests were still going on.
Uh we had a brother in Vietnam.
Did he survive?
Yes.
And was he wounded or injured?
No, no, he he was in army intelligence, so he was mostly interrogating prisoners and not seeing frontline battle, but he was in the TED offense.
Almost everybody was the TED offensive.
It was pretty much nationwide, uh, certainly all through South Vietnam.
Uh the um it must have been in that period of time for you acting and the politics going on and the show, which really was not part political at all.
So it had to be kind of a juxtaposition between the turmoil in the country and this this bubble that was the Brady Bunch.
Yeah.
Um but if you I think that the goal of the show was to be written it it was a family show from the perspective of a child, the way a child would want to see their family.
And so it was very i i idyllic.
And um it got more popular after its original run when it was in reruns, and and I think it's really a generation of watch key kids that made it huge.
Because it was this dream family, it was the ideal.
You know, come on, Cindy loses her doll, and the whole family is just you know, going nuts trying to find the doll.
Dad's calling from work.
Have you found the doll?
Well, I've gone through that.
I've gone through that with the daughter, and losing a doll or lose it could be a really traumatic event for a family that is well, you're a good dad.
You know that.
I know that.
I spent many times looking for a missing doll.
It is traumatic, but so many kids are like, well, nobody's around to really care.
And and so I mean, there are countless people that well for kids at that age, the doll is a the doll's alive, the doll's a real person.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not uh, you know, a doll.
It's it's you you've lost a friend.
Yes, and you've lost your security.
Yes.
Well, in fact, my daughter's my daughter's was a stuffed animal too.
So it was not a doll, but it was the same thing.
Right.
And I and I understand at my TV dad's house.
I I left him behind.
And we traveled internationally and lost this, and we had to go search all over for it.
I mean, it was oh if it didn't get packed, it was always on the checklist to make sure we you know, we had the the stuff figure that we had to be there.
It had a name.
I can't even remember today what the name was, but it was a particular everybody's looking for this named entity that was, you know, and it was by the time we found it was pretty ragged.
I mean, it this had been through the wars.
It was not in the great shape anymore after years and years and years.
But the um but then okay, so then the politics started might have been horrible shape.
Yeah, well, you still have it.
I'm not sure my daughter does.
The um so through the period of per political turmoil, we had Nixon resigning, and then we had Carter in, and we had the this was a very tumultuous time in American history when we were coming out of the Martin Luther King with his entire civil rights movement,
and then we had John Kennedy killed, we had Martin Luther King killed in 1968, I think it was in March, and um Robert Kennedy was killed that same year when he was running for president, probably would have been president.
I think so, yes.
He was well on his way to being president.
He had just won the Oregon primary and won the California primary, and he was headed to the convention in Chicago when he got killed.
Yeah, the Bill City.
Why did you feel guilty?
Because we because my mother and I were going to the polling place, and I was chanting a vote for Kennedy's a vote for a dope.
Which I'd made up myself.
I thought it was so clever.
Um I just knew that my parents were against they they were very Republican, but um looking back now, they they really were not socially conservative, it was more fiscally conservative, and um, and then when I found out, you know, I got up the next morning and wanted to know who won.
And um mom told me what happened.
I was like, oh, I feel so bad for chanting that.
But you know, as a child, I was five years old, and so well, he's a Democrat.
And I I didn't feel that way again until the most recent four or five years.
I really wasn't that partisan.
Well, and you you have become much more political.
I'm very political now, yeah.
And in fact, what happened when they wanted to remake the uh rebooth the Brady Bunch, I'm sure that you approach to being the adult version of the of the show.
Yes, we and we all were working on our characters, and we had a great um a great uh showrunner who's like the head writer, and um, and he came up with a character which is basically me, but an exaggerated version of me.
And so she's a libertarian, she does she has a podcast because in a previous incarnation of the show, I'd been a radio DJ.
Um it rescues animals, a little eccentric, and um and very um very much against uh big pharma and so it was kind of like everything that I am, but a little bit more so.
And um anyway, so I mean I wasn't supposed to be playing um awoke person, and um so all it our political leanings came into the storyline and uh Greg was um a Republican, and uh one of the things in the treatment was you would think that Cindy and Greg would be on the same page, but they're not.
I thought, okay, that's really insightful.
And um so anyway, then uh you know, CBS was ready to possibly green light it, and then they heard that I had gotten in trouble for um for an incident which was called um a homophobic incident.
It it was really a fake story, it was a non-story, but um the mainstream media likes those the best.
And so I so they decided to investigate me.
Well, I had had a political show, so I expressed a lot of views, all of which they hated.
And they said, you know, they they talked about putting there's a whole two-hour interview with me um with Brandon Stracka, who started the walkaway movement, and um you know, it was well, you know, maybe I they talked about re-education, actually.
Um which was more about how would I speak of things that came up, and um Anyway, you know, finally it was decided now, she's just too far.
She's she's too dangerous, she's too political.
Hate speech.
You you're too much hate speech, right?
Exactly.
And that's what they will say.
Um, even though like the initial incident, all of this really was triggered.
Like I was doing political stuff, but it was really, really triggered when I endorsed Donald Trump.
Right.
And I didn't even mean it all that earnestly back then.
It was just I thought that Hillary was the most evil person on the planet, and anything would be better than her.
And I get it was my sister who said to me, She goes, I'm gonna vote for Donald Trump.
I'm like, okay, stay put, I'll be right over, I'll take you to the ER.
How hard did you hit your head?
And then, you know, I read his book, Crippled America.
I don't know, dang.
I agree with him.
I agree with him a lot.
Um so I I didn't think he'd win, but it was after he won, and everybody was all angry, and um, so you know, I think that was the root of my sins, and I'll stand behind them.
Well, I I've got a couple, I mean, you were clearly you fell victim to the far left nature of Hollywood media.
Yeah.
And um that's still today an issue.
Now, when you were a child acting, uh was pedophilia any part of your world.
No, not at all.
And I'm very proud to say that um I I think a lot of this had to do with with Sherwood Schwartz wanting to make sure that everybody on our set, almost everybody had children.
So from the electricians and the grips and the you know, directors, uh the it was all family people.
So it was a really healthy environment, and they saw to it that we were allowed to play.
Um it I I think it was probably way healthier than anything today, simply because we didn't have the mass media then.
You couldn't um we didn't have social media, and so I mean, people would come on our set and not want to leave.
We had a really happy set.
However, I was very aware that there was something wrong in Hollywood, because I did go on other sets, I did do other jobs, and there was just something in the air, and I I've been told that I had um an aura about me of don't touch.
And um if anybody hugged me for a nanosecond too long, I knew.
And I was like, um, and I'm shocked.
I I was very shocked as an adult um with social media, there was a former kid actors page, and all these people I used to see on auditions, and um, and really stunned to find out how many of them had been molested.
So yeah, there was something afoot, but I I was never touched by it.
Well, uh you were fortunate, and uh you probably did broadcast that you were untouchable, not to be messed with.
Yeah, you probably did.
Because I was like a 40-year-old when I was eight.
I was more mature then than I am now.
That's interesting.
I learned to be a kid in my 20s.
Okay, well, you had a Benjamin Button syndrome.
You aged in reverse.
If my skin would just do the same.
Okay, and um, but you were aware of the pedophilia, you were aware that something was wrong.
I was just aware that there was a certain desperation to acting, and that that exists whether there's sexual deviation or not.
There is this desperation about acting and and about being willing to do anything for the job, and there's there's no separation.
It's not like I know the music industry is just as evil, but I don't see it as much.
Um, because there's a product there, you have the songs, you have with art, there's there's the paintings that and with acting, it's It's much more vulnerable.
And there's just this kind of I'll do anything for the job attitude, which I really hated.
And then something that as a child, you know, I I wasn't sexually aware.
But I just like something smells wrong.
Something's just not right about this.
Right.
And as you got older, your politics got more conservative.
Yeah, well, no, I mean, I I got a little bit more liberal, probably in my 20s and 30s.
And um, and then was sort of in between.
It it really um I really didn't get political.
I I I had a great sense of justice, and I think that's um uh genetic DNA because I am the seventh generation granddaughter of a woman who was hanged in Salem.
Um so there's this thing about justice and about things being fair and about things being honest or corrupt, and but it wasn't until my sister lent me a book by Bruce Bauer called While Europe Slept.
Um I I I read that I I love Bruce, he's he's now a social media friend, and um I I decided to study Islam because I wanted to defend it.
And um six years later, I was like, Well, I can't defend this.
Um I could defend Muslims and and hope that somehow the religions reform.
But anyway, I started out with counter-Jihad, and then realized that the people that were lying about this was during Obama.
So the people that were lying about Islam um and about terrorism were lying about everything else too.
And and that was you know, mostly the folks on the left.
There were things on the right that I didn't like.
Um, but you know, it just it it then became about fact and fiction, and and COVID really did a number on me because I I grew up thinking, well, you watch the news, they're all honest.
You know, that's Walter Cronkite, everybody's honest.
And um I I think it was like in the 90s that I heard about the bombing of La Penca and learned that the that you know the media will actually lie, and um anyway, you know, I just I'm very intolerant of lying and having the people be lied to,
especially when I'm very into what our founders and framers started with this country and and adhering to it.
Well, and and you said I you I played a role when the pandemic.
How did boy boy what tell me about that?
What kind of truth bomber?
Um I just I knew this isn't smelling right again, you know, something's not right here.
And then you know, I started to see people that like Dr. Zelenko.
Um, you're listening to my coursey nation at that time.
Well, then I started listening to you, and it literally because at the time I was living with my with family, and we had a person in their 70s, and you know, it's like you've got to be careful, you gotta put, you know, everything that comes in the mail, you gotta put it outside, and it did it.
And I'm I'm like, aren't you seeing some inconsistencies here?
And you know, I'd have to play the game, you know, because you gotta get along with with people, and I couldn't wait for the evenings when I'd turn on your podcast and I'd listen to you.
I was like, yes, yes, that's not adding up.
That's not adding up.
Um hydroxychloroquine seems to be working, and now anybody that says that gets silenced.
We're silencing people that say the truth.
This is this is like a communist nation.
So I I started to feel like everything was very dangerous.
My son was living a little bit far away from me at the time, and I didn't get to see him for three months.
And I said, I am more concerned about what the government's going to do than I am about what this virus is going to do.
And um did you get the hydroxy?
We were at that time doing.
I sure did.
Mostly I got it from my son.
That was my big deal.
I set up a bug-out bag in my car in case the you know what hits the fan, and I was just gonna go get my son go to the woods.
I had my medical supplies.
Um and then during during the whole thing, um, I I have uh a very close group of girlfriends, and we were all anti-vax, uh anti-COVID jab, which was never a vaccine.
And um, but I I wanted to set up by this time I I gotten my condo and I wanted to set up like a hospital for any of my friends who you know got sick.
So I was very into getting supplies, um, everything that that the silenced people said worked, I got.
I found personally um ivermectin worked a lot better than hydroxychloroquine, but I already had ivermectin because I rescue animals, and we use ivermectin all the time for parasites.
That's right.
Yeah, and when you when you yeah, you can get bovine, swine, and equine, and they're real cheap, but I did go ahead and get the humine, the human kind, just in case.
Well, good.
Uh and the your politics, and you must be excited that Robert Kennedy uh junior is now the head of health and human services.
I am I am so excited.
I was wearing my Kennedy shirt that day when he got um confirmed, and and I used to dislike him because oh gosh, I don't know how many years ago, but he referred to Herk Gilders, who is now the the PM of the Netherlands as a an Islamophobe.
And to me, anybody that uses the term Islamophobe is kind of a ninny.
And um, so I was Bobby doesn't know anything.
And then I heard him talking about vaccines and my son was diagnosed with um Asperger syndrome.
He's on the spectrum very, very mildly.
And it was through Bobby that I learned, you know, because I was afraid to not vaccinate my kid.
Um, but he had been diagnosed, and I learned separate them.
The MMR vaccine seemed to be the culprit.
So you do the mumps vaccine, you wait 30 days, you do measles, you wait 30 days.
Um rebella.
And um, so I did that for all of the subsequent boosters.
But I mean, there's they're getting tons more vaccines now.
Well now, yeah.
My daughter will had just had a baby, won't no vaccines.
Yeah, uh, you know, I I I have a friend who just my co-worker, he just had a baby.
I'm like, I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but there are a couple of them that you really should put your foot down on.
And you know, the MMR separate them.
It's just it's too much.
They could all be okay, but when you have them all at the same time, it's just so much.
And why the heck is a one-day old getting a vaccine for hepatitis B that you can only get through sex or drug use.
That's it is it is ridiculous.
I mean, it is ridiculous.
And uh Bobby Kennedy's, I think, gonna do a lot to uh you know him.
He was also a very effective lawyer when he was doing the environmental work.
Um, and I like that too, because when Trump says drill baby drill, I get it economically, but I'm also I am a tree hugger, and I am an animal rescuer.
So um, you know, I want to make sure I he was saying drill baby drill.
I'm like, okay, please confirm Bobby, because Bobby will go, well, maybe not here, or maybe not this way, because Bobby's not falling for the climate control.
No, I think the entire climate nonsense is now gone.
I think I think we really it's clear that the DEI and the ESGs and the gender dystopia, these you know, insanities are now canceled.
I think the very people are sick of it.
yeah.
Yeah, and they're they're showing but they're just you know it's tools, and a lot of people say, well, this is socialism trying to take over it.
I I think it was more it's nihilism.
I yeah, it it's it it it negates value.
It is yes, it has essentially atheistic and no value.
The values are whatever values you want to have, and that's those are no value.
Yeah, and and didn't you know, and it it's it's really a tragedy that this is all pinned on the left because this is not what the left was about.
Um, because didn't they didn't they want to go with nature and everything natural and and be this is so anti-nature?
Um it's being spearheaded by people that want to destroy nature.
Well, the the you know, the Martin was I constantly point out Martin Luther King was about equal opportunity.
And he said, if you give us opportunity, we'll show you what we can do.
Yes, we can compete with anybody, and that meant families, it meant raising children with education, it meant values, and he his whole movement.
Martin Luther King was a Republican, he was not a Democrat.
I didn't know that.
Wow.
Yes, he was a Republican, and um, and today it is not about that, it's about it's not equality, it's equity.
In other words, there have to be so many of this race and so many of that race, and so many of this gender, and so many of this and that, and that's more important than whether you're competent to do the job.
Well, that's not what Martin Luther King wanted.
He would have been opposed to that.
Completely opposed to that.
It's an insult.
And it's also it's also discriminatory against anyone who is not in the favored races.
Yes, and creates more racism.
But see, these these horrible people knew that.
I I'm certain that it was designed, it was designed to destroy.
Yes, yes, and and so now when you get on a plane and you see that your your pilot is uh a black woman, you wouldn't have had a problem with that before.
You're not a racist, but now you have to go, is she there because of DEI?
Well, I think that's what we're finding increasingly.
I mean, the these air accidents that we've had have uh clearly reflected DEI preferential hiring, and I think we're saying terrified of flying, gonna have to fly a bit.
Well, yeah, I think I think that the in by and large, I think flying is yet safe, but it is not as safe with DEI.
And and Trump will I think eliminate these things and has begun to do it with executive orders.
The problem with executive orders is they can be reversed by the next president.
They can all be changed back, and so therefore it's just the beginning of a reset back to traditional values, but it's got to begin somewhere, and Trump's first you know, month has been I think the most dynamic month, the most change-oriented month in a positive sense that the nation has ever experienced.
It it's it's amazing, really.
It's like waking up to Christmas every morning, yeah.
And and I think the country is lifted by it.
I think the country too.
I do too.
I although I'm here in Lala Land, where people are very upset over it.
It's like don't expose the people that are stealing from me.
Yeah, right.
I mean, you know, it's insane because the Democrats, you know, have now become the party of abortion, the party of euthanasia, the party of sex change, the party of um discrimination against white race.
Uh party of you know, government spending, flooding the country with illegal immigrants, including criminals.
I mean, we um preferring criminals too.
Yeah, well, we've been running because it's not like the illegal aliens I used to work with.
This literally the government.
We we've been running um videos and for New York subways, which have been taken over by the gangs, and the police and the military down there, the subways don't it, why bother arresting these people because a lot of this has been decriminalized.
So therefore, even if they rob people, you know, the the robbers and gangs down there don't even wear masks anymore because they know that nothing's gonna happen to them.
Yeah, the judges are gonna let them write out.
At least we got rid of something here in LA.
It was it was okay to shoplift up to nine, up to a thousand dollars, 999 or something.
Right, and you could come back every day, yeah.
Well, it no but no business can stay open with that, and that's of course not.
That's where you have and that's the point.
So that's what I try to tell my lefty friends.
I'm like, look, you know, it's not like Biden and Harris went I went out and I forgot to close the border.
Oh, silly me.
It's not an accident.
No, it's deliberate.
It's deliberate, and it's evil because as we've been exposing even the Catholic churches involved, and uh making deals with McCarrick, who was a pedophile and homosexual cardinal, and making deals with Honduras and the Pope,
making deals with the with Biden and with Obama when he was president and the president of Honduras, who was part of the drug cartels, and also was part of the uh child sex trade.
And we amazing may we gave them money under the Alliance for Progress and got involved in their activities, so the church became complicit in these sex crimes, which are the most horrendous sex crimes against children who are taken away from their parents and exposed to a brutal world that they don't understand what desperation these children must feel abandonment,
confused, oh yeah, abused.
We're gonna need a lot of loving and caring people to adopt these kids and um to counsel these kids.
It's some of it may be permanent damage.
I think so.
Yeah.
That is not really entirely recoverable.
You know, in other words, the the these are lifelong injuries psychologically.
Yeah, I agree, and it's it's and it's it's so intentional.
Well, that's where I saw just having a kid on the spectrum, looking at just and this is really mild, but but like CPS being aware that they spent more time harassing single white mothers and CPSTing, yeah.
Uh child protective services.
Um there was something foul going on there that um there are times when when they they might try to prove that your child needs certain services more than they really do.
Um take your children away from it, take take your children away from you.
Well, that that's the ultimate threat.
Yeah, but even just getting a court to order services so that they can get the money for those services.
I it doesn't matter if you're a parent that says that's actually harming my child.
That didn't personally happen to me, but I saw it happening.
I saw that in other parts of the country, um, certain children were being placed in the system so that they could eventually be put up for adoption.
So yeah, I don't know.
You know, I used as as a child, I like to think that I could trust the authorities, but no.
Well, the the two things I think are so tremendously disturbing is abortion, killing a life that is helpless.
Sorry, I'm choice.
It that's within a certain amount of time.
Well, it's still a life.
It's still a life, and it's still a life that has no choice and is as helpless.
That's that's extinguished.
Yeah.
I can't argue that, but I think that the life of the mother is more important.
Well, it it may not it may not affect the life of the mother.
Mother just a little different.
It may be inconvenient.
Yeah.
But on the other hand, forcing somebody to have children when they don't want to have children is not such a great idea either.
But you have to have a limit.
You have to.
Legally, no matter how you feel about it morally, you have to there has to be a point where the unborn have rights.
There has to be.
Well, and my point is if you don't want children, if you're going to abort them, don't take steps so you don't have children.
Well, and today it's so easy to get birth control.
They're really, you know, I'd have to say there really isn't much excuse.
But you know, I know people who had the condom break.
Um they got knocked up their first time.
So I don't know.
I'm still I'm still pro-choice.
But I I do understand and appreciate what you're saying.
Well, I I still think there's alternatives.
If you really don't want children, there are alternatives, and you can responsibly take them.
But to bring a life into the world and then to extinguish it is to me unacceptable.
Yeah, especially since it is so darned easy.
And so vulnerable that life has no choice.
Yeah, and you've got it's irresponsible.
Yes, it is very yeah.
And um, you know, that these are things that I think um are offenses against God and offenses against God's God creates life, and once that life is created, we have to nourish it.
It's our responsibility.
That that's how I see it.
It's our responsibility to nourish that life, that God bestowed it.
We did not.
And so uh that and I think taking God out of the schools and taking God out of the communities in the schools, because you open that up.
See, I think the safest way to have God in schools is to have nature in schools, because that is God's miracle.
Well, nature is put religion in.
Nature's a surrogate for God.
Yes, and this country is the proof of God.
Well, yes, but it it is a distinction that nature is not God, it's it's an artifact of God.
But the uh the the point is uh this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and it was founded on principles where God was part of the society, in other words, it was a moral society and which had followed rules which were biblically ordained.
So there are values in that Bible that are part of what the teaching is.
Okay, and so th those who don't want to participate in it might opt out, but to forbid it to be into the schools is to secularize uh the schools to a point where it does damage to those who go through it.
The the ultimate my view, the ultimate uh I think traditional morality, the responsibility of parents is to raise a child and and the state in a moral education.
Otherwise, a certain set of values that aren't arbitrary, and those values are ordained in in the principles biblically that become a view of God now.
Again, if people want to practice a separate religion or people want to have their own religious time, these can be accommodated, but to uh abolish God from the schools means that schools are secularized and the values that are internalized uh are absent of a concept of God.
And our founding fathers, I think believed correctly that absent a concept of God, a human being is not fully developed, not fully formed and potentially vulnerable, potentially vulnerable to doing great harm because again the values are not rooted in in consequences, so yeah.
And and a conscience developing a conscience.
Now, I personally I'd rather see that take place in the home.
Um have you ever heard of the Michaela school?
No.
In England.
Oh, check it out.
The the head masmistress, they they teach they don't get religious um because they have a lot of Muslim students too and and if they bring you know yes well I think these are these are this is a problem and I think well it's it's a huge problem but not at her school because they're teaching conscience they're teaching treating everybody equally yes well that's that's the beginning of communism that's the beginning of a of a movement and
towards not really having a God.
The God is not central.
It's the formation of a moral consciousness is centered on a set of values, which I believe are inherently spiritual because they presume that there's a reason to creation, there's a reason to life, and it has consequences in an afterlife.
This is not an arbitrary experience, not accidental.
We're spiritual beings to begin with, and spiritual beings in a context that is, you know, forbidden to be spiritual is to educate half or a partial person.
Actually, it's educate a misformed person, to my view.
The person needs to have a religious orientation, and I find that people who don't have it are fundamentally different in terms of their outlook and things and how they see life and value moral judgments so that you internalize a set of values.
For instance, you can take any one of the issues, but truth-telling.
We tell the truth because we understand biblically that not telling the truth doesn't work.
It's complicated.
It's hard to maintain a lie.
We don't need the Bible to see that.
No.
You don't need...
You can see that.
The more you develop your spirit, the more you're going to see it.
You can see that.
But then not to go the full step and understand that that's God is yet a hold back.
So you can say someone has been through education, they've gotten three-quarters of the education, they know most of what's required, but they only know three-quarters of it.
They didn't get that extra dimension, which allows you to truly perceive everything spiritually.
There is a fundamental difference.
People who believe in God...
I just I don't agree I'm sorry I have yeah I had the the the final step and I've pulled back from it well we we are probably going to disagree on religion but one does need God I'd be spirit what part well okay and and I know that's a hard one but I I believe immensely in God I believe that the reason why I can see certain things is because God's like look over there.
Yeah.
But I don't feel that.
It'll be another step for you.
I'd be interested in talking to you in 10 years.
Be an interesting step for you to finally.
No, you could have talked to me 10 years ago.
Well, as I say, you're probably growing in reverse.
Yeah, I guess.
This is true.
My aging in reverse from everything I could determine.
Your ideas 10 years ago might have been better than your ideas today.
Right.
Well, we'll see.
If that's the case in 10 years, I'll go back to them.
Maybe.
Yeah.
I'm open.
Yeah, the point is it's like being colorblind.
You can still understand that there are colors because there's going to be shades of gray.
And you can understand that those are related to different colors.
But until you see the colors, you haven't experienced the full nature of a visual reality.
And it's the same of when you look at people who do believe in God, certain changes occur in their personality.
That's true.
Yeah.
That you're able to accept things.
You know, for instance, one of the points I always like to emphasize is that, you know, the experience of death or the experience of, you know, death approaching, where you know it's likely an inevitable reality.
reality now to someone who truly believes in God is has a way to accept it more.
And so the you know, the you can see in religious societies that the priests or the clergy, whomever they are, enter people's lives at critical points, you know, at birth, you know, at marriage, uh at death, and at any crises that occur, illnesses, setbacks, losing children.
These things are for someone who believes in God generically, are harder to accept than someone who believes, you know, with a religious view, and in my view, only the biblical view is is complete.
I don't see the Islamic religion as complete.
I think it needs a reformation.
Well, I mean it's complete evil.
Well, I I would tend to agree in the sense that you know that's dangerous words though, but yeah.
It's it has it needs a reformation.
I mean, I think Christianity today is very different than Christianity was during the Inquisition or the Crusades or the Dark Ages.
You said, you know, you have a ancestor that was hung in Salem.
Yeah.
Well, the these were these were aberrations.
These were these were these were a church that needs a reformation.
The same also I don't really believe that that cotton mather or any of those people truly believe that any any of them were witches.
I think it was a matter of trying to get their property.
Well, and and essentially, and or they didn't like them, or there was a grudge, or there was some issue, but again, uh these are uh I I think every religion has to go through a reformation, has to decide that even if they believe the this religion is the only true religion, it's not a reason to go to war with the next religion.
And I and I think that our our founding fathers had a brilliance in saying religious freedom is only means not an established church.
We're not gonna tell people what they have to believe.
Okay, because again, as soon as you do that, you cross the line.
Yeah.
Even if you even if you think your religion is the only true religion, you still have an obligation.
I think I think our founding fathers were right, is to respect another person's view of what the true religion is and not to necessarily try to dissuade them.
So I'm less of an evangelist in terms of the mission is not to persuade everybody to believe my religion or how I view it.
It's important for me to believe it, and I will be happy to share it.
But my mission is not out, my mission is to accept the others.
That's why I think our first amendment advises, which is the only way a society can really exist, because as soon as you start imposing this set of beliefs have to be held by everyone, you're going down a dangerous path.
Then how do you bring it into school?
Well, you bring it in school in some ways to be uh people don't want to do it, they have an options not to do it.
In other words, we have a prayer moment at the beginning of school, they don't have to come into class until that's over, they don't have to be forced to go through it, but yet it's permissible, or they could choose to meditate whatever, but they they're not obligated to participate, it's voluntary.
Okay, so I don't I but I don't think it should be prohibited from being in the school.
So a moral education ought to be part of the experience.
If you choose to opt out of it, that's your choice, and I'm not it for forcing anyone to experience it.
I think that's counterproductive.
I don't think that works.
And I am for doing things that work, not things that don't work.
But what about forcing um the morality of do unto others?
Well, I think that should be enforced.
Well, there are now we're into what crime means and what evil means.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so therefore, yes, even for people who don't believe in God, as long as they're have a moral sense, which to me you you've accepted God, you just haven't yet accepted that you've accepted God.
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
That and I view you as you've accepted God, yet you're just haven't accepted that you've accepted it.
no I I accept that it's God yes but and nobody stopped me from praying in school because you don't accept it every hour of the day but you don't accept that it's the Bible no that's I think the Bible's the best but um I I don't believe that I have to accept the Bible in order to go to heaven.
