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The New Pope and the Direction of the Catholic Church with Mike McCormick

Mike McCormick, author of "An Almost Insurmountable Evil: How Obama's Deep State Defiled the Catholic Church and Executed the Wuhan Plandemic,"  joins Dr. Jerome Corsi on Cosi Nation to discuss new Pope Leo XIV, why he the Conclave chose the first American Pope, reactions and where the Catholic Church is headed moving forward. Pick up Mike's book on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/Almost-Insurmountable-Evil-Catholic-Plandemic/dp/B0DW9BSVLR/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TgG-j8PsJkS0u9FhvkIKjVULpRcWWM3wv8QNpuzoi4-1mXcP2ysqF2cMf0aphN0a._Mg_ymfwnWvVEaHncwmg8fMKlfhU6kzcjQhRSM82gn8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=732236988155&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9004281&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=13227977105942481421--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13227977105942481421&hvtargid=kwd-2399715753255&hydadcr=22569_13730725&keywords=an+almost+insurmountable+evil&mcid=22fe1db20e77388481629aa8f2a72b41&qid=1747132054&sr=8-1Visit The Corsi Nation website: https://www.corsination.comIf you like what we are doing, please support our Sponsors:Get RX Meds Now: https://www.getrxmedsnow.comMyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpJoin Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comGet your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.

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You're into it, Corsi Nation.
This is Jerome Corsi, and we've got a special report today.
We have a return guest, Mike McCormick.
Mike, welcome back.
And Mike's book, his recent book, is "An Almost Insurmountable Evil".
And it's subtitled "How Obama's Deep State Defiled the Catholic Church"And executed the Wuhan pandemic.
And we're doing this interview right after the election, or the selection, the conclave in Rome created Pope Leo XIV, who is an American named Provost.
And there's a lot of controversy swirling around this in many different ways.
We're also going to cover Archbishop Vigano's position and the politics of this.
Mike has been an observer of what's going on with the Catholic Church and Vigano.
Mike, you were a stenographer on the White House staff covering Biden for a while, and you actually had a lengthy stay as a stenographer in the White House.
So let's just quickly review that for people who want to understand your background a little bit better.
Right.
So specifically to the Vatican, I traveled to the Vatican with Joe Biden in 2016 in the spring.
He went there and he had Hunter Biden on his trip.
He was there to talk about cancer research.
That was with Pope Francis.
But what happened was, I got to a point where about a year ago, I was thinking, what was the most evil thing that I remembered in the White House?
And it was the relationship between Joe Biden and Cardinal Theodore McCarrick.
So I looked into it, and that's what led to my book, An Almost Insurmountable Evil, because there were numerous White House meetings that were noted in the White House visitor logs between McCarrick, specifically McCarrick, and Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and White House Chief of Staff Dennis McDonough.
And the timing of those meetings led me to believe, and I made a really good case in my book, that Bergoglio was installed by deep state operatives, Joe Biden, Dennis McDonough, and the Vatican operative, the operative into the Vatican was Cardinal McCarrick.
He was meeting with these guys in the months before Bergoglio was installed in March 2013.
And right after that, Bergoglio started doing all the policy.
He did the China deal with Xi Jinping.
He supported the Iran nuclear deal.
And they started supporting cartel-affiliated human and drug trafficking all along the southern border.
And because of that support, he was what I call morality laundering.
He was the moral voice saying, oh, we've got to have refugees.
These are refugees.
We've got to let them in the country.
And that's what Biden did.
Until Trump came up and put a stop to it.
And eventually, they had to put a stop to Trump with a fake pandemic.
And then they let Joe Biden in with this fake pandemic, and the globalists did that.
And that's all detail in the book.
And that's when we voted Biden out and Trump in.
And as soon as my book was published in February of this year, within weeks...
I was talking with Steve Bannon and I said, look, there should be an investigation of this Vatican affiliation with the Bidens by J.D. Vance, Vice President J.D. Vance.
Well, J.D. Vance went to the Vatican and as he was planning that trip, Theodore McCarrick wound up dead.
And as he finished that trip and left the Vatican, Pope Francis died.
So two of the five people that were in...
Implicated in my book for being part of this cartel drug trapping, all this behind-the-scenes political maneuvering by the White House and the Vatican are dead.
They died in April, and now we have a new pope.
God's will be done.
Well, I think there's more than God's will be done here.
I think there's, you know, the Archbishop Egano, and we're going to cover very extensively in this broadcast, you know, has been on top of all these issues.
He released all the information about the deal that Biden met with McCarrick.
McCarrick was an archbishop of New York, out of Washington, D.C. Was he elevated to Cardinal, Mike?
Yeah, he was elevated to Cardinal in 2001 by Pope John Paul II.
Yeah, and McCarrick had a...
A seamy history.
First of all, he had sex with a seminarian, so he was a homosexual.
And then he also had sex with the alder boys, so he was a pedophile and a homosexual in addition.
And he was ultimately laitized.
In other words, he was stripped of his priestly functions, but not excommunicated.
And that was by Pope Francis.
Now, the deals that were made, With McCarrick.
McCarrick was an emissary between the White House and the Vatican in the Obama years, and deals were made with the Honduran president that Biden engineered that McCarrick went back and forth on.
And the deals were that the Obama administration knew that the president of the president.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The president of Andorra was deeply involved in the...
He was with the Sinaloa Cartel.
He was affiliated with the Sinaloa Cartel.
And so the son who came into office with the president was also affiliated with the cartel.
In fact, I think the father went to prison, didn't he, at some point?
So the president who was involved with the Sinaloa Cartel was in 2014, Juan Orlando Hernandez.
His brother...
His brother went to prison.
And then he went to prison about two years ago.
Yes.
And so the Sun then took over.
And the deal was made with the Sun, who was also with the Sinaloa Drug Cartel.
And this deal was made just before the big wave of immigration started.
Because the deal was that we were going to open the border to an invasion that was largely going to come from this golden triangle region of Central America, which is Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.
The Alliance for Prosperity.
2014 to 2016, they gave $1.5 billion in American assistance to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.
And as a result, what happened is that the fentanyl trade The amount of cocaine coming in, the drug cartel control of the border increased, intensified, and we ended up with these suddenly 300,000 unaccompanied minors coming across the border who were rapidly scooped up into either the child sex labor or the child slave labor trade, and they disappeared in the United States.
Now, at the same time, all this money flowed, and McCarrick and Biden were Clearly operating at both the interests of the globalists, the Obama globalists, the Vatican globalists, and pedophilia is at the center of what all these people do.
And we've also been recording this and documenting this in Silicon Satan, which is a novel by Craig Lund.
But there's McCarrick when he was cardinal.
And the evil done also extended then to a deal that was cut with China.
And this is what Archbishop Vigano was writing about recently.
Okay, now, the deal with China we'll get to extensively, but I want to kind of focus in on the central theme of this broadcast, which is, number one, that I do agree that Bergoglio,
who is Pope Francis, was chosen largely with the intervention of the CIA, because we have these WikiLeaks emails from John Podesta that say that essentially that John Podesta and the Democrats wanted to run a Catholic spring, like the Arab spring that was being run with Soros' help, the State Department, to overthrow regimes in Northern Africa and ultimately also in Ukraine.
So they wanted to overthrow Pope Benedict.
Who was traditionalist and conservative, and they wanted to replace him with a progressive pope who would go along with their LGBT agenda, and that was Pope Francis, who would also encourage immigration, and the Catholic Church, the Council of Bishops, have been getting billions of dollars from the Biden administration to promote illegal immigration.
Is that right, Mike?
Yeah, that's right.
And so that was...
So what happened was Trump came in, and he put a stop to it.
In 2017, he was elected.
The globalists behind the scenes worked to subvert Trump, and they didn't make much progress.
So they eventually had to launch the fake pandemic, the plandemic, and that was backed by Joe Biden and his operatives.
And that's when they came in.
And that came through China.
And so the Chinese Catholic Church, the betrayal of the Chinese Catholic Church occurs in 2018.
They make this deal that comes out in the fall of 2018.
In 2019, there are street demonstrations throughout China in the spring.
They grow in intensity into the fall.
And what happens if Wuhan pandemic is released in China?
There's a shutdown of the country.
And all the Catholics have been identified as protesters.
They're locked away.
And as soon as the lockdowns are let up, they're imprisoned.
Hong Kong billionaire Jimmy Lai is still in prison from this time.
And the reason they were protesting was because Cardinal Perlin, Theodore McCarrick, and Pope Francis sold out the Chinese Catholic Church.
They've turned it over, the management of the Chinese Catholic Church in China, to the Communist Party.
And that's why everybody was protesting.
And Cardinal Zen was part of the protesters.
He was arrested.
He was put in jail.
He was allowed to leave because he paid a nominal fee.
But the Vatican, Bergoglio and Perlin, they didn't help him.
They didn't make any big noise for him.
And so he basically got out.
And was part of this conclave.
Once Bergoglio died, he went over to Rome just two weeks ago and was part of the conclave.
And I think that's a big reason why Parolin wound up on the sidelines.
He was not elected pope, even though he was a favorite ahead of time.
Well, okay, as we kind of unravel all of this, this agreement that was made, so we have an agreement made going back to earlier, about 2014, with Honduras, the Beccaric architects.
And then McCarrick comes out with a secret agreement with Beijing in 2018.
It was renewed in 2020, 2022, and 2024.
So it's been constantly renewed.
And this, again, was a McCarrick-engineered agreement.
Now, Archbishop Higano, so Pope Francis dies and McCarrick dies within a few weeks of each other.
And so, therefore, What's going on in the Catholic Church right now is several factors.
Number one, the Catholic Church is going broke because at least 50% of the contributions from the Sunday attendees at Mass of Catholics in the United States have dropped off.
And I think that's a low estimate.
I think they're probably down about 70 or 80%.
At the same time, the Catholic Church in the United States is under significant attack.
From all the settlement of all these lawsuits that go back to the 1950s with the priests having sex with the altar boys.
And as that scandal got illuminated, Boston Globe and others were key in bringing to light the truth of this scandal, pedophilia among the priesthood.
It goes back to almost the post-war period and probably has been going on for a very long time.
The pedophilia.
And the lawsuits that have resulted from that have forced the Catholic Church of the United States to sell a lot of property in order to pay off the lawsuits.
The Catholic Church has been closing down schools and selling off church property across the country, which has made the Catholic Church far diminished economically.
Now, the Vatican is increasingly dependent on the Vatican Bank and the scandals of the Vatican Bank.
have intensified and increased, and those have not yet been fully disclosed.
But the Vatican was living off the Vatican Bank, which had been very heavily tied in with the mafia in Italy and with the globalists around the world.
And once Biden came in, they were getting billions of dollars in aid.
They got billions of dollars in...
COVID aid, and then they got billions of dollars through the Catholic NGOs for this human trafficking process.
That was all done after they shut down the world to have these lockdowns, change the voting patterns because they did mail-in ballots.
They got Joe Biden installed, and he opened the border, and the Catholic Church, and they started funding Catholic Church.
When Trump comes in, they shut off USAID.
They shut off When Trump comes in the second time, now they're talking about the second time.
This is his second term, which just began about 100 days ago.
Right.
And that's shifted everything out of the Vatican.
That's why they're broke.
They have no money.
And the government isn't funding them anymore.
And so they had to bring in an American guy to be the Pope because he's the only place with the money.
Let's not get there yet.
Let's say that for a minute, because I want to get people to fully understand, the listeners fully understand, the Catholic Church is on the ropes economically.
Okay, and Trump comes in, and Trump makes it clear that he's not happy with any of these agendas, and he cuts off the Catholic bishops from this billion dollars they're receiving, and the Catholic bishops are all crying about it, because that's part of their lifeblood.
Right.
And what they were doing was Catholic Church as an NGO, non-governmental organization, was running cover for all the illegal immigrants coming into the country.
It was one of the forces behind the moral forces saying, you know, these are citizens of the world and they have rights in the United States and they have to value their human rights.
And they were trying to get them put up in hotels at government expense, including some very fancy hotels, the Roosevelt Hotel, which is...
Not as fancy as it once was, but they were still illegal immigrants living free in these hotels and getting food stamps and credit cards and telephones, everything of that nature on the government dole.
Okay, so that was the Biden routine with the Catholic Church providing the moral cover and Francis being selected with the assistance of the Obama administration and the CIA.
To make sure that Benedict resigned and Bergoglio was elected Pope.
Okay, so now we fast forward to Trump winning a landslide election in 2024, taking power in January 2025, and he's closed the border.
He has begun deporting illegal immigrants, cut off the Catholic Church's money.
And suddenly Pope Francis becomes very ill.
Because the pressure now on the Catholic Church, which they understand completely, is that economically Trump has the ability to squeeze the Catholic Church into bankruptcy.
Trump has done the same thing around the globe.
He's basically told Zelensky that Zelensky can keep fighting the war as long as he wants, but he's not going to get very much U.S. aid.
It'll be cut off on U.S. material.
It's not going to be provided.
So Trump's patience is at an end with the Ukraine war.
Trump's patience is at an end with NATO.
We quit funding NATO.
NATO doesn't exist.
Patience is being frayed with the United Nations.
The United Nations is about one month away from bankruptcy itself.
We don't pay for all this.
They all close up and go away.
And that's the end of globalism.
They're the globalist entities.
And so you see now, a reaction to this is that Klaus Schwab suddenly resigns from the World Economic Forum, and the press reports that he was getting massages in his hotel room with his subordinates being ordered to go to the ATM machines to pay for his massages.
And massages are a polite term for sex.
dealings in the rooms with prostitutes who were engaging in massages.
The rest I think everybody can figure out for themselves.
But the point is the run for cover.
And I'm quite suspicious and have been suspicious that both the timing and the nature of the departures of this earth of both McCarrick and Bergoglio because there's forces within the church that understand This LGBT agenda,
which has begun going back to Vatican II in the 1960s, is at great risk of destroying the Catholic Church as a financial institution.
Now, it doesn't mean the Catholic Church goes away and is gone.
I mean, Christ said to Peter, upon this rock, I'll build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Okay, so the Catholic Church may survive, but a much weakened Catholic Church economically, and the Catholic Church has a big number to meet every month to keep the doors open.
Right.
Especially in Rome.
You know, it's a big, big operation of the Catholic Church in Rome that has to be financially supported.
Now, the Archbishop Pagano was excommunicated, and in fact, I published the book from Pagano, Jacques Hughes, and Chris, you can show a copy of it here, which is Archbishop Pagano's statement that Pope Francis was the heretic, and this whole LGBT movement, which was called progressivism,
was a heresy, a schism that was not traditional Catholic theology.
That book is done very well.
We also published it in Italy and Italian.
And it's been in both available.
I wrote the introduction to it.
Okay, now we've been continuing in contact with Archbishop Vigano.
And what Archbishop Vigano did as this conclave was assembling was he decided to publish a declaration, another letter.
This is on the secret Sino-Vatican agreement.
Now, Archbishop Pagano is out showing this other level of evil in the Catholic Church.
And he begins by saying that on April 28th, the Asia News Agency reported that in the Diocese of Shanghai, elected Father Wu Jilin as their bishop.
The same thing happened on 29th with the election of Father Li Jilin.
As Bishop of the Diocese of Xinjiang, both appointments coming from the Schismatic Patriotic Church were made in clear violations of the secret agreement the Vatican signed with the Beijing government in 2018 and renewed in all these different years.
The clauses of that agreement, which is officially secret, but some details have leaked out, are said to provide on one hand that the Holy See recognizes Okay,
On the other hand, that the Pope should be recognized to have, at least in theory, the right to veto such appointments and to ratify the removal of legitimate bishops that the Communist Party intends to replace with other bishops of its own nomination.
now, what...
The argument that Archbishop Vigano is making was that the Holy See, the Vatican, up to and including the pontificate of Benedict XVI, did not agree to sign agreements with China.
Okay, because they didn't want to turn over to this Chinese patriotic church, controlled of the Communist Party, which would suppress Catholics.
But after the arrival of Bergoglio, Bergoglio completely disrupted 70 years of firm opposition from the Church to an agreement with the Communist Party in China.
And what Bergoglio did is he deceived Catholics and he handed over the faithful and the clergy of the clandestine Church.
Because remember, open practice of Catholicism or Christianity in China is still criminal.
Okay, to the persecutors.
So, arrest, re-education camps, physical and psychological torture, and all possible forms of discrimination against lay religious Catholics, priests, and Catholic bishops have increased precisely after the signing of the secret agreement that McCarrick architected on behalf of Bergoglio with the Chinese Communist Party.
Okay, and this details the Appointment of these various Monsignors, the subservience of the Bergoglian Church to Beijing, and the subsequent persecution of Christians within China.
This is all part of the Synodal Movement, which Bergoglio put in place, which is supposedly a bishops meeting with their congregations.
To get the congregations to reach out to these disenfranchised minorities, in other words, lesbians, gays, homosexuals, transvestites, and every other form of sexual pervert you can figure out, in order to give them a place at the table in the Catholic Church.
We don't want to excommunicate these to homosexual lovebirds just because they're gay.
Well, in traditional Catholic theology, sex is about procreation, and two men having sex are not going to produce a baby, no matter how much critical theory, all this Marxism, says a man can get pregnant and have periods.
It's all nonsense.
And so, therefore, it has nothing to do with procreation.
Once you detach sex from procreation, you've made it less sacred in the ability to produce life.
And part of this whole globalist movement is also to diminish the status of women, which started with the feminization movement, so that now men and women's sports are fine.
You know, what is a woman?
We don't know what is a woman.
A man can be a woman if they decide that their sex is not their gender.
Okay, so this entire insanity is at risk now.
But what I think was going on was that the Catholic Church Decided that it could not...
Cardinal Parolin, who was the assistant to Pope Francis, was likely chosen by the deep state, the globalists, to be the successor to Francis had Kamala Harris been elected president.
And that was their great strategy.
The problem was that...
Joe Biden was obviously cognitively impaired, was not going to get elected president, so Obama had to replace him.
At the last minute, they put in Kamala Harris, and Biden outmaneuvered Obama by saying as soon as he was told by Obama that he was not going to be allowed to run for president in 2024, Biden went immediately to the Internet and posted on X that his choice was Kamala Harris.
Right.
And so therefore, Obama was cut off at the pass, did not endorse Kamala Harris for a few days, and then finally went along knowing there was no chance they were going to get Michelle in after Biden pulled that little trick.
Right.
So now with Trump in power, the Catholic Church has got a quandary.
What they do is, I believe, they decide to off McCarrick and off Bergoglio and hold a conclave.
And now they have to figure out who they're going to pick.
And those, you know, it was really significant that J.D. Vance made a trip to the Vatican on Easter this year.
2025 Easter, J.D. Vance and his family went to the Vatican.
And having been a White House stenographer for over 15 years, I know how it takes, how long it takes to plan an overseas trip for the White House.
It's at least four weeks to plan a vice presidential trip.
More than that.
So that trip was in the planning stages long before Easter.
While that trip was in the planning stages, they would have had to notify the Vatican.
We are coming on Easter.
J.D. Vance is going to be there with his family.
That's a big day for the Vatican.
Easter is their highlight holiday of the year.
It's the most holy holiday the Catholic Church has.
J.D. Vance is going to be there in a political capacity.
This is basically Trump using J.D. Vance and probably J.D. Vance wanting to be the Catholic.
He's a Catholic, newly converted Catholic, to say, I want to be in the Vatican to fix this because it's been a mess.
He went over there.
He met with Parolin.
He met with Pope Francis.
As they were planning this trip, that's when Cardinal McCarrick died.
He died just about two weeks before Easter.
And then J.D. Vance goes over there.
He meets with...
He meets with Pope Francis.
And then Pope Francis died the day after he left.
This is all very timely and suspicious.
God's will be done on this.
And there's J.D. Vance meeting with Parolin and his family.
So this is the Trump White House telling the Vatican, and I guarantee J.D. Vance went over and said, we're taking your money away from you, and Cardinal Parolin, you're not going to be the Pope.
I guarantee he said that because that's what happened.
And they tried to make parallel in the Pope.
What was interesting was there was a local TV reporter who went and talked to Pope Leo XIV's brothers in Chicago.
And one of them said, he told me right after Pope Francis died that he was one of three guys who was on the list to be chosen.
Well, he wound up being the guy who was chosen.
That tells me that Parolin was Plan A, there's somebody else's Plan B, and that Pope Leo was Plan C. And they had to go with Pope Leo because the conservatives inside the Vatican said, we're not going to have Parolin, we're not doing this radical, progressive, pro-immigration Vatican stuff anymore, and we don't have any money.
We need to have the Americans supporting us.
So let's get an American Pope in there, and that's what they did.
Well, I think that clearly Vance was over there to deliver a message, and then within hours after Vance and the Pope met, the Pope's dead.
Yeah.
God's will be done.
Yeah, right.
So, you know, off the Pope, the Vatican's got the handwriting on the wall.
Now they're in deep, serious damage control, and they get into the conclave.
And suddenly this American pope, the first ever prevost, gets elected.
And it happened relatively quickly, like the second day of the conclave.
I mean, there wasn't even a lot of, even though something like over 80% of the cardinals had been appointed by Francis, and the whole thing had been rigged, the plan was at the Vatican that it was going to be Parolin, who would be Francis 2.0.
Right.
Okay, now, once the American was chosen, Provost, and Provost himself is no, you know, he's not a Benedict.
He's not a traditionalist.
He's all for this illegal immigration.
He's very squishy on the LGBT question because he does support the synodal movement.
Now, he hasn't been quite as open as Francis about welcoming the LGBT and whatever else you want to be transgender into the Catholic Church as a full recognized and honored member of the Catholic Church, despite their sexual proclivities and their lifestyles.
One thing I like about Pope Leo is he does not have a background with the CIA that Francis had, that McCarrick had.
Well, not one that we know of.
That we know of, but...
Let's look at his background.
He's a lot like me.
He's about my age.
I went to Catholic school when I was a kid in Cleveland, Ohio until 6th grade.
Where did you go?
I also went to Catholic school.
I was at St. Philomena's in East Cleveland.
Where were you?
We were at St. Dominic's in Shaker Heights.
Right.
We both went to Catholic school through the 70s, through the 60s, through the 70s.
This guy, he did the same thing in Chicago.
Pope Leo, he decides to go into the priesthood, and then he goes down and does the work with the Augustinians in Peru.
So he's not in a centrally, highly politicized area.
He's not in D.C. He didn't spend any time in D.C. He didn't spend a lot of time in Rome.
He was out basically in the field doing what we hope good Catholic priests would do, which is help the poor.
He was ministering to the poor in Peru.
Is there a connection between...
What he was doing there and potentially the globalist movement?
Yes, there is.
But I think he's also an American with an American background who can look at, I need to fix the church because we're broke.
And so he's going to be going to American donors and trying to sell American donors on supporting the church that they turned away from.
And to do that...
He's going to change the way the church has been perceived by Americans.
Okay, now what I want to couch this as is a tactical move.
In other words, the globalists haven't given up.
No.
They just want to have a little period of normalization.
So they picked a pope who they think will get Americans to go back to church and contribute because he's American.
Right.
Now, the pope's brother has been coming out with statements, including over the past weekend and tweets, Because the Pope's brother is solidly MAGA.
Right.
Okay, and his tweets leave no doubt about his dislike of the Catholic Church and what it's been doing.
And also, there's an article on Gateway Pundit today.
The leftists are in complete meltdown after the Pope's...
Brother shared a video calling Pelosi a drunk C-word.
You can fill that in.
And mocks crying libs who have Trump derangement syndrome.
Right.
He likes Trump.
He likes Trump.
And so the leftist media, their heads are exploding because they're thinking this could be the provost, the brother.
At least the brother is not going to be...
Thinking that the brother will not be quite as radically to the left as Francis was.
Now, I'm going to make a couple of arguments to the contrary because I also want to delve into what's going on in Italy right now.
So in Italy, the press, which is completely leftist, are reporting, you know, for instance, there's this publication, Red Hat, which says that they've gotten a document.
That shows that American conservatives were going to pressure for the election of a non-Bergoglian pope and that they were being prompted to do so by Vigano.
And they're saying this was all in the service of Cardinal Burke.
Okay, and then Bannon, who has spoken out about this, has basically said that Bannon has trounced The whole idea of Francis picking a peril in and what the press in Rome is saying is that it's a conspiratorial picture they're painting.
In other words, Bannon was out in public saying that the Pope ought to be not associated with Bergoglio and that Bannon was therefore trying to block The progressive movement of the church, which was going in the direction of becoming much more modern and much more open to people.
They want to portray Pope Francis as he cared about the poor and he cared about all this and he cared about the downtrodden LGBT and their rights.
So they want to make him into a liberation theology Jesus who was here with Marxist purposes.
To not get people to redeem themselves and go to heaven, but to run a social cause to support the poor and the LGBT and all the other marginalized minorities that the Catholic Church wants to embrace.
The Catholic Church is going to go down the same direction as the Democratic Party itself.
A, they become communist, then they become anti-American.
And for the Communist Party, of the Democratic Communist Party, they become treasonous because they basically want to have programs that destroy the Catholic Church.
They want to support Venezuelan MS-13 members saying that their rights were violated and deporting them.
So the Democratic Party is committing suicide and the Catholic Church is committing suicide.
So this is kind of like throwing a lifeline.
To the Catholic Church with this Pope Provost hoping that he's not going to be too LGBT.
But I think given the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, given where the Catholic Church is in its internal ruling structure, that Provost is going to have a hard time walking this line because the Church itself is LGBT.
I've got books here.
I pulled one the other day.
I don't know, Mike, if you know this book.
But this, you probably do.
This book is a few years old.
It's Goodbye, Good Men.
And it's how liberals have brought corruption in the Catholic Church by Michael Rose, wrote the book.
And what Michael Rose said was that basically the seminarians, seminaries, you can't be a seminarian unless you're homosexual.
He goes through saying how all the...
Indoctrination period.
If you're not homosexual, they're going to find a way for you not to become a priest.
And he details it in great detail.
I think that's why Pope Leo has a chance to become a better Pope than we've seen in a long time for the future of the Catholic Church.
And I think Also, helping him is J.D. Vance, Vice President J.D. Vance, a prominent Catholic, a MAGA warrior.
He was the guy that Trump selected to go to the Vatican and represent the MAGA movement into the Vatican with this showdown, basically.
I mean, I would call it a showdown.
J.D. Vance went over to a showdown with the Vatican, and he won.
They had to get rid of Pope Bergoglio and they got rid of Parolin.
And now they got a Catholic guy in there.
And they're broke.
And he's telling them, if you guys want any money, you're going to have to deal with us just like the rest of the world is dealing with us through trade deals.
So the globalist empowerment of the Vatican is waning quickly.
And I think this Pope, if he's smart, is going to see that and move quickly.
He's got a long time ahead of him before he's out of the papacy.
He's not an old guy.
And so he's got a chance as a younger person with some vitality to put some oomph behind a restructuring in the church, a refocusing in the church, a purification of the church.
And I think he can do that.
And MAGA can help him.
MAGA can tell him, look, we're not donating right now to the church.
Maybe we will.
We want to see it cleaned up on A, B, C, and D reasons.
Well, what I want to say here is that, first of all, I want to read a paragraph from this book to get a clear idea of where the Catholic Church right is today.
The paragraph says, Once homosexuals come into positions of authority in their orders, in other words, religious orders, Jesuits, Franciscans, etc., And the religious houses of formation, the seminaries, it is difficult to attract even one heterosexual man to the order.
Consequently, the impression given in some religious houses is that they are gay houses, that is, made up of either all or a strong majority of homosexual priests and brothers.
Those who remain in dissent for the dominant homosexual agenda are often ruthlessly persecuted.
Okay, so that's the reality of where the Catholic Church is in terms of its clergy.
And the idea of turning the ship around and getting it to go in the straight and narrow because it's going broke is going to have to demand a variety of things.
One is they're going to have to reinstitute the Catholic Mass in Latin.
So we even had the Department of Justice saying that we were white.
Supremacist subversives if we wanted to see the Catholic mass in Latin.
And we were being persecuted and investigated by the Department of Justice under Biden and Obama.
Right.
Okay, so they're going to have to essentially end this outreach to the LGBT community.
So the gay pride parades and the gay flags and all of the other nonsense which is a reach out to bring the Homosexual community into the church, the LGBT community, which if it was successful, would ultimately drive the heterosexual Catholics out of the churches, which is what's happened.
Okay, now the crisis here, and what you see is the trying to take the authority of the Pope, the religious authority, And to have that confer,
as it were, God's approval on the LGBT community to normalize even further this bizarre behavior and to push the globalist agenda further down everybody's throats.
What's happening under Trump is that this agenda is dying very fast.
Even the climate change scandal and nonsense is dying very fast.
I think where we are now, and I agree with you that I think that Vance had an impact.
I think that the selection of provosts is an attempt to reach out to Catholics.
But the point on which I'm not in complete agreement with you, Mike, is I think that he's got an impossible task.
In other words, Pope Leo.
In fact, Pope Leo XIII was the one who had the vision.
Of Satan coming into the church.
Right.
Okay, it depicts Leo XIV.
Pope Leo XIII was pope at the turn of the century, 1800s and 1900s.
And he put the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel to defend this against all the enemies of the principalities that were fighting, the spiritual war.
That was taken out of the mass by Vatican II.
And so therefore you've got now That's Pope Leo, Chris is showing it on the screen, Pope Leo XIII.
Very holy man, very kind of meek man, mild-mannered man.
And now for the provost to take that as the continuation, try to say, okay, it's a reach out to, we'll get Satan out of the church, which is going to have to be the message that will be needed to get, there's Pope Leo XIII.
to get Catholics in the United States back into the churches.
My point is I just don't think it's going to work.
I think, in fact, what we're going to see is the collapse of the Catholic Church in the United States and financial difficulties hitting Rome, where Rome is at risk of collapsing.
The Vatican is at risk of going under.
Well, here's a quick way I look at it.
So, this hand is morality.
This is morality, and morality is sort of managed by religious institutions.
In this case, the Catholic Church.
In America, the Catholic Church is a huge political organization.
In this hand, we have justice.
Justice is managed by the government.
Justice is managed by the government.
So when you combine the two, you get communism or totalitarianism, dictatorships.
That's what Biden was trying to do.
And this is what Trump has done as he pulled them apart.
And we can continue to push him apart.
We just have to understand how strong this Pope Leo is to try to push him back.
Regoglio was brought in to do this.
And it didn't work.
We voted in Trump so the government can strengthen what justice is to prevent the church from doing this.
They're not letting the people run amok over the border.
They're not funding the Catholic NGOs.
They're redoing the deal with the Chinese.
The Chinese Catholic Church may benefit from the trade negotiations right now that are happening as we speak.
These are all things that can happen for the better.
I'm going to be optimistic that they're going to happen and they're going to work.
The Catholic Church is in need of repair.
It's in need of purification.
And I think MAGA, the MAGA idealism, the anti-globalism of MAGA, and the populism of MAGA, and that's what Bannon promotes.
That's what the left-wing Italians are afraid of.
But that's taking hold in Europe, and it's taking hold here in America.
When it spreads around to other parts of the world, then it'll be a...
Well, you know, I think I'm more pessimistic than you are, because I am more realistic in terms of the forces that be.
And they may have won a battle to get Provost to be Pope today, but I'm looking back to Pope Paul VI in 1978, who was...
Succeeded by Pope John Paul I. And he died just after a few days, 33 days after his election as Pope.
Now, if he was going to begin investigating some of the things that were rumored he was going to begin investigating, he didn't last very long.
He didn't.
Okay, and so I think if I were provost, I'd be getting a food taster in the Vatican before I ate my meals.
Maybe.
I like to think that the Vatican is under scrutiny, like they've never been under scrutiny before.
And they don't have the money that they thought they would have.
And so the world is watching.
And I think we'll get there.
Well, just like ActBlue and the USAID were the way that government money was funneled to the left, I think the church is going to be in the same situation with the Vatican Bank.
I wrote that book.
It came out in...
February.
Ever since it came out, there's five people that are in it that are involved in human trafficking and with the Vatican.
Two of them are dead.
I think there's more coming.
The principles in there that are still alive is then-Vice President Joe Biden, President Biden now, President Obama, and White House Chief of Staff Dennis McDonough.
There will be investigations.
Dennis McDonough is the guy who knows everything.
And he's the guy you have to watch.
What he says, and that's what this book indicates.
He knows what happened with the infiltration of the CIA and McCarrick into the Vatican and the installation of Megolio.
And he knows all about how the pandemic was put together to install Biden.
That's Dennis McDonough.
He's going to be in the hot seat, and we're going to get to investigations on him.
Well, Ed Martin is now in charge of the Department of Justice with weaponization, and I think we're going to be putting together a little portfolio for him to make sure he understands what needs to be investigated here with the weaponization of the Justice Department to advance the globalist agenda within the Catholic Church.
And there's many, like yourself.
Ed Martin, I think he's a Catholic.
I know he's very...
I believe he is.
I believe he is.
He is very religious-oriented, and I know he quotes Bibles all the time in his XP.
I know him.
I've been on his radio show a couple times.
He's a good guy.
He's going to do a great job with weaponization of government investigations.
Well, I've known him for 20 years.
He was an aide and assistant to Phyllis Schlafly, and I was very close to Phyllis Schlafly.
Phyllis Lopley and I had worked together for many years, and I was honored to be associated with her because of her great history in the conservative movement.
When I was first entering into the conservative movement publicly in 2004, after Unfit for Command, Phyllis and I began working together and were attacking the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, the North American Union, that George W. Bush was trying to promote.
Trans-Texas Corridor.
We worked on many battles together.
And so, Ed, I've known since that time and have also been on the show many times and have the highest regard for Ed.
But we can produce a group here of Catholics in the United States who know where the bodies are buried.
Right.
And we're going to be, I'm going to be organizing as a group to present to Ed Martin the findings that they need to investigate.
Because within our files alone, we have enough to bring criminal action investigations together.
Good.
Let's do it.
We're going to do it.
Great.
I'll pray that he succeeds, but I've just seen too many of his statements.
Which have, when called upon to be definitive, he gets mushy and takes positions in favor of immigration.
Doesn't sound like he wants to offend anybody in the LGBT community.
Well, that's just not going to cut it.
That's going to be encouraging them to continue along their ways.
Now, on CorsiNation.com, Mike, we're featuring you and we're featuring your articles and your Substack articles.
They're being featured on CorsiNation.com and together with what we're doing with Craig Lund because we're fighting a spiritual battle here and these are two ways to illuminate the nature of this spiritual battle.
So Mike will be having many more of these and thank you for joining us.
You're right.
In the end, I like to always say in the end, God always wins.
God's going to win this battle too.
But this is CorsiNation.com.
Thank you for joining us.
My guest today has been Michael McCormick, and we have featured his most recent book, which is An Almost Insurmountable Evil, which is mandatory reading for anybody who really wants to understand the complicity of the Obama administration and the progressive, communist, neo-Marxist Catholic Church.
Thank you for joining us.
Mike will be doing many more of these.
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