Jan. 17, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Treniss Evans: The Man Who Stood Up to Biden DOJ’s Persecution
As Joe Biden's term in the Oval Office wanes, Dr. Jerome Corsi talks with Treniss Evans, the J6 protester who famously did shots of whisky inside the Capital Building on the day oof the mostly peaceful protest, who discusses how the Biden Department of Justice went down extraordinarily hard in its persecution of him (and other protesters) -- even after agreeing to quietly turn himself in. Evans walks us through what really happened that day, what the Biden Administration does not want you to know about the events there and the treatment of him and other peaceful protesters. Pick up Evans' book, CALL IT INSURRECTION, COMRADE, here: https://www.amazon.com/Call-Insurrection-Comrade-January-6th-None/dp/B0DJ581KSNIf you like what we are doing, please support our Sponsors:Get RX Meds Now: https://www.getrxmedsnow.comMyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpGet Dr. Corsi's new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis: Forensic Analysis of the JFK Autopsy X-Rays Proves Two Headshots from the Right Front and One from the Rear, here: https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-President-John-Kennedy-Headshots/dp/B0CXLN1PX1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20W8UDU55IGJJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ymVX8y9V--_ztRoswluApKEN-WlqxoqrowcQP34CE3HdXRudvQJnTLmYKMMfv0gMYwaTTk_Ne3ssid8YroEAFg.e8i1TLonh9QRzDTIJSmDqJHrmMTVKBhCL7iTARroSzQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=jerome+r.+corsi+%2B+jfk&qid=1710126183&sprefix=%2Caps%2C275&sr=8-1Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comGet your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-truth-central-with-dr-jerome-corsi--5810661/support.
This is Dr. Jerome Corsi and we have a really special important guest today, Kernis Evans.
Trenus has become a good friend.
We've published Trenus' book here, which I'm very proud to have helped bring into print with I'm a acquiring editor with Post Hill Press, and this is Call It Insurrection, Comrade.
And it discusses the January 6th events, and Trennis has played a major role in the entire January 6th movement.
And I think this book is destined to become one of the key books about chronicling what happened to the J6ers.
And right now this is extremely topical because President Trump, who is about to be re-inaugurated for his second term, is going to make statements about the J6ers and somehow or other perhaps issue a commutation of their sentences or pardon.
We don't really know exactly what the president is going to do.
But throughout the campaign, President Trump made it clear that the J6ers We're not an insurrection, that he felt that their prosecution was political and that he was not going to let that last.
He was going to immediately deal with the issue.
And so, Trennis, welcome here.
We're glad to have you with us.
Trennis has been really one of the leaders and organizers, one of the movers and shakers in the J6 movement.
And he's gone through the trials and tribulations like all the J6ers have done, maybe with a little bit more success.
Not with all the hardship and duress and pain that it's caused.
So, Trennis, we're really happy to have you with us.
Thank you for joining us today.
Well, thank you, Jerry.
You know, it's been an honor to work with you and Post Hill.
I want to say that it's been an amazing experience to have a great publisher, publishing company.
Behind me and the support that you guys have given and the just immense amount of support from the editing process.
I had no idea what I was doing being a first-time author.
As you know, we had 130,000, 40,000 words on paper.
What do we do?
My first reaction was, this is a great manuscript, but I've got to tell Trennessy's got to cut it in half.
That's not going to be a pleasant discussion for an author who thinks every word is valuable.
Yes, I believed it.
I believed every word.
Well, they were valuable, but no one would have read a book of that length.
And this book's got a real chance of being read.
I want to kind of dive right into Chapter 7, where you say you want an insurrection, which is kind of like reminiscent of the Beatles song.
You say you want a revolution.
And you were there on January 5th at the events at...
Freedom Plaza, including all the speeches that were given for the America First and Stop the Steal movement.
You had Alex Jones, Roger Stone, Owen Schroyer, and others from various movements.
Why don't you discuss what it was like being at the Freedom Plaza meeting and how that led up to what happened with the March to the Capitol.
Well, you know, January 5th, it was such a whirl of sights, sounds.
There was all these emotions.
There was this beautiful patriotic response where the crowd was happy.
We were joyful.
We were enamored, I think, with the people that were filing actions, the promise of actions to be taken by our legislators.
We were excited for the events to come.
We wanted a great outcome for the American people and ourselves and our election process.
And there were so many people that had that joy about them.
You could just feel it.
And I think it's almost like when you see these teams win some national championship and all their fans are excited.
And we were headed to the national championship game.
We felt like we had a chance.
It was like the score was 3-3 if we're playing baseball, I guess.
And here we were with the seventh game coming down the stretch.
And we had some...
You know, we had a strong pitching team.
We had our, you know, our Babe Ruth of the Times, Donald Trump, that was there on our team.
And things were just really moving to not get over an analogistic about this idea, but to really share kind of the moment.
I want people to picture that.
You had music going on.
You had speakers.
And, you know, it's been relegated to that they were breathing fire.
And I think that they were breathing the sentiment of the American public at that time, Alex Jones and many others.
They were sharing.
What was already felt by individuals, they weren't guiding that.
They were espousing the emotion that was already the tenor of the crowd, if you will, that this beautiful, heartfelt, patriotic, constitutionally correct path that people were in demand of a meaningful resolution to what happened with the 2020 election.
We knew it was very problematic, and we simply wanted this investigated properly, and if these slates of electors that were designated by each state, Let it be sent back to the states.
And I remember this being a central topic.
Everyone was just so hopeful.
Let it be sent back to the states.
I don't know of anyone that was ever saying, we want Donald Trump in office.
We want Donald Trump now, inequivocally.
We don't want an investigation.
We just want our guy.
The mantra and the method and the mode and tenor of that crowd really issued in the resolve that Those individuals present simply wanted the meaningful investigation.
Remember, we had that with the hanging chads back with West Palm Beach and all that event that happened there.
And it was all put out on the table for the American public to understand.
And right or wrong, it was a resolution granted.
People saw it.
It was an open process.
Everybody got to watch it.
And the American public was largely satisfied with that.
And I think that was what we were seeking, to allow those states to rectify any injustices or perceived misconceptions or issues that are related from the election.
So that was very exciting.
Those days never came.
So it was sad.
And I believe that in some part, our presence at the Capitol on January 6th may have, if not did, interfere with that action.
And I'm sad that my presence there, as many others, may have had a negative outcome or effect because we seem to have had the objections and things teed up.
Learning what we learned later, Jerry, just to not go too far.
What we learned later from the work of Millie Weaver, people like Peter Tickton, and so many other fantastic individuals, that there was an effort going on by the left to undermine us at all times.
There was an undertow, a tide, if you will, unseen by the public as we are here in this glorious, festive, patriotic movement of constitutional excitement that there was a process that could maybe unveil truths and at least resolve the conversation, right?
Give us meaningful resolution.
But there was something darker, a force at work.
And that's described here.
We had no idea what we were walking into.
And that's kind of the juxtaposition of the beauty of that moment, if you will.
In January 6th, the next day, Congress was going to meet, as they did this year, January 6th, to certify the election.
And it's a procedure where both houses are together, assembled together in the...
A House of Representatives chamber, which is a larger chamber able to accommodate a larger group.
The vice president presides over the ceremony and each state announces its electoral votes, its popular vote, its electoral vote for one of the candidates, in this case either Biden or Trump.
And the expectation had been that Vice President Pence could...
Challenge, or from the floor there could be a challenge, of a vote saying that there was a fraudulent vote.
In other words, we had seen many states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, they'd stopped counting in 2020, and then overnight all these mail-in ballots come in, and when the counting resumes, Biden is in the lead and wins that state.
And so there was a lot of concern that there could have been election fraud.
There was a hope that Vice President Pence would do what everyone who supported Trump thought was the right thing, which is challenge the election.
Very complicated procedure.
But the whole group that was at these rallies, including the rally the next day on January 6th, were determined to support Trump.
And then they came about to go to the Capitol.
There was going to be a walk.
To the Capitol.
And so, therefore, Trennis, you and others began heading towards the Capitol.
You describe in the book how that morning you'd gotten something to eat, and you were headed over to the rally, and you were excited about the rally.
And, again, it was a cold day, but you were there in attendance, and you were among the group that started walking to the Capitol, right?
Yeah, so after Trump finished his entire speech, I started making my way to the Capitol.
I actually stopped at my hotel.
Man, I tell you, I actually laid my head on my pillow for just a few minutes.
I honestly, thankfully, and I started to doze off and I snapped awake and said, no, I got to go because I didn't drive 1,400 miles to miss this.
And I did believe that we would actually be outside.
I had the intention.
Knowing that we were going to be outside, there was this objection process that I had looked into, and it said two hours for deliberation per state.
There were six states.
I was thinking, geez, this could be a 12-hour process, and that means no breaks, no restroom breaks, no bathroom breaks.
And we all know Congress doesn't exactly put their nose to the grindstone and crank it out every day.
So that was the idea that I was excited that, well, we could be there, and we might be there at 2, 3, 4, 5 o'clock in the morning for this process to play out.
So I went to go get more granola and beef jerky and water.
And thankfully, all this was well added to the video evidence of me by the FBI because I did so in the parking garage.
And I had a respect for the tight spaces.
Didn't want to bump my big truck doors against a little tiny space of other cars.
And the FBI could plainly see that I was pouring.
Packs of granola.
You know, this wasn't ammunition and armaments.
This was...
I was preparing to be able to help feed the masses, if you will, and bring in more bottled water.
So I had a backpack stuffed full of these things.
And, of course, the government says, oh, it was a camouflage backpack.
And I'm like, well...
I'm sorry, but the camouflage backpack, I don't think it fits very well for urban setting camouflage, like the jungle camouflage.
It was just something I had that was, it was funny and I laughed about it.
That was my Gore-Tex bag that, you know, same as my outer gear was all Gore-Tex and a green, drab green.
And they went, oh, he's wearing these military style colors.
And I'm like...
This was my ski jacket that I bought on a trip skiing with my family.
I'm just not a hot pink kind of guy.
So I'm wearing a drab green ski jacket that day.
And they make it out as though it's like...
You know, military issue and I'm prepared for battle.
But I came to the United States Capitol as an individual, as a citizen, part of what one would call the most armed populace on the face of the planet.
But I came to overthrow the largest military industrial complex to ever exist.
And I came with granola bars and a megaphone.
And these are really dangerous instruments.
Yeah, man, I tell you what, I will say one thing.
I may be really good at protesting, really bad at insurrection.
Yeah, well, your granola bars aren't going to help you very much in an insurrection, I would say.
Yeah, well, you know, here, eat this.
The sugar's going to get to you eventually.
You're diabetic.
We got you.
The story resonates, if you will.
Not just my story.
This tells the story of so many Americans.
I've had so many people, other J6ers, read this book and call me and say, oh my gosh, this is like me.
This is how I felt.
And so I think it's really our story.
It's not just mine.
This story belongs to the whole of the American public, the majority of those that came that day.
And we all were there thinking we were going to be a part of something beautiful.
When we saw the demonstration kind of unfolding, I didn't get there until after everything was torn down, barriers and all these things.
Didn't know they were ever there.
And may I equate this to, Jerry, if you came to visit me and they put up a stop sign in my neighborhood on Tuesday.
First time you've ever been to my neighborhood is Wednesday.
And they say, oh, you ran the stop sign.
You're like, oh, I'm sorry.
I'm getting a ticket for running.
There wasn't another one.
You go, well, yeah, but we put it up yesterday.
It got torn down by some kids.
We're going to have to give you a ticket.
And that's essentially what happened to all these people with this 1752 knowingly entering Romanian capital grounds or building, et cetera, restricted building or grounds.
There was no stop sign for these people to see, i.e.
the fencing or barrier, this cyclone fencing or what have you that, you know, that was put up.
And they never saw it.
It didn't exist for them.
And it was so, I don't know whether that's entrapment or whatever it is.
One of the questions one might ask, if I may, about walking down there.
And I think this is an important aspect.
I was just on the phone with another attorney this morning speaking about this.
There was Capitol Police parked at the cross-section of every street all the way down there, from the rally at the Ellipse all the way.
If it was declared a riot area at 1.38 in the afternoon, as so said by Capitol Police, why did the Metro PD and Capitol Police not educate us or warn us or even suggest that there was a problem ahead and they stayed there enforcing us, kettling us if you will, funneling us toward the United States Capitol.
And we were walking by and smiling, we backed the blue and they would wave back and hey, how you doing?
They're standing next to their squad car.
You know, there's communications coming through there.
If a riot was asserted to be president of Capitol grounds at 1:38, why was I walking by there at 2:30 in the afternoon and nobody said anything to me?
And I've had an opportunity to demonstrate.
I drove 1,400 miles across this nation multiple times over, November, December, January, but particularly in January, with the express idea that I would be yelling, stop the steal, and yelling support for the legislators that were doing things that we supported.
It wasn't just a protest against.
I remind people we were demonstrating support for individuals in that building who had made promise and assertions that they were going to contest these issues and asked to be sent back for their state to have a meaningful review of the matter.
So we were there as much in support of some legislators as we were.
It's like a ballgame.
You're supporting one side.
You're not liking the position of the other.
I drove 1,400 miles to espouse my beliefs that day.
And then after I entered the Capitol, being inside the building, I abandoned that and changed my tune to don't harm the police, don't damage the building, this is a peaceful protest, simply at the uttering of something that sounded inconsistent with my wishes for that day.
So that was bothersome to me, Jerry, that...
We've been relegated to this idea that we came to overthrow the government.
First of all, we came to demonstrate, and I think the agreement masses, and that's been proven in case and case again.
It doesn't matter what the verdict was by a judge who operated with great impropriety and a jury who was essentially hoodwinked, if you will, by the select committee and the mainstream media in their coordinated effort to create a narrative of so-called insurrection.
Describe at one point when you're in the building and you see it's getting ugly.
And you grab your megaphone and you say, we don't destroy our cities.
I exclaimed, attempting to steer the crowd's mindset back towards peaceful demonstration, constructive dialogue.
We don't burn our buildings.
We're not Antifa.
We're not Black Lives Matter.
We don't harm the police.
We don't damage the buildings.
We don't destroy what belongs to us.
You wouldn't do this at your neighbor's house.
This is a peaceful protest.
Yeah, that's a direct quote.
Yeah, from what I was saying over the megaphone, this is well documented on not only my cell phone video that I was taking that day, but many others.
And the CCTV and officers agreed with that, and they approached me.
And they said, hey, thank you for that.
We appreciate what you're saying.
And this, by the way, this wasn't because people were destroying things or being violent in my area.
This was at the mere uttering of one individual who tried to start a chant.
He tried to start a chant, burn it down, burn it down.
I was appalled.
I was shocked, Jerry.
I couldn't believe somebody was saying that at my United States Capitol.
That's my building as much as it belongs to a Democrat, a Libertarian, a Republican, a child, a grandmother.
It doesn't matter.
It's all of our building.
And we do not burn down our buildings.
And that was my clear messaging.
I quickly took up offense to that and espoused such offense on my megaphone to the point where Capitol Police come over.
You hear this in the book.
This is right.
And where Capitol Police approached me and say, hey, listen, thank you.
What are we doing about getting some of these people out of here?
We just don't even want them getting hurt or destroying anything.
I said, I totally agree.
The video evidence shows this communication.
And then we later shake hands and do a photo op together and of coordination of people working together in a peaceful manner, supporting the correct agenda for what I would say is a peaceful demonstration.
Yet other places, and I help people understand this, People have this misconception that was dialed up by the media and select committee and the pundits, etc., that these violent actors came at the front of the line and everybody else lined up behind them, waited for these violent actors to create something, then took advantage or worked advantageously to that and moved forward behind them.
That's not what happened.
Those things happened while people were over a mile away.
I don't know about your vision, Jerry, but my vision doesn't provide to me what's happening a mile away.
Particularly through buildings, etc., etc.
I couldn't see that.
And behind people, you know, I'm six foot tall, but, you know, an entire crowd going uphill, what I saw was the back of other people's head and in the skyline, essentially, of Capitol.
There I am in all my insurrecting glory.
The sad reality of this cut, this CCTV footage that they show you, what you'll notice here is what's conveniently cut out.
See where all these people down at the bottom are facing, right?
Yes, yes.
Those people are all facing a line of police officers and having casual conversation with them.
This actual footage, if you don't use this clipped version that the FBI used in their affiant statement, they've selectively edited this.
This footage here, actually, if you go to the full footage of the CCTV, it shows the Capitol Police there shaking hands.
Doing selfies with people, giving hugs to people.
There was literally a grandmother that I witnessed put her hand around the waist of Capitol Police and hugged them, but he was so, let me get this straight, there's such an insurrection going on, and a Capitol Police officer allows one of these so-called insurrectionists to place their arm between him and his sidearm, his firearm.
That doesn't make any sense.
So we're seeing this, and that's where people, a lot of this, we witnessed this going on inside and made that decision to enter.
I then made the assertion that, okay, it's okay.
Capitol Police are telling us we can't go down this hallway.
You've got to go down that hallway.
And nobody...
We didn't abide by that.
We simply took direction and went the direction we were ushered.
And that's the sad misconception, is they make it sound like we all fought the police or violently injured the Capitol.
And that's just not true.
It's simply a farce at the very best.
In fact, you had a message from President Trump that you read, and it's on video.
You said, President Trump's message, which you read in the Capitol, I'm asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful, no violence, remember, We are the party of law and order.
Respect the law and are great men and women in blue.
Thank you.
Please support our Capitol Police and law enforcement.
They are truly on the side of our country.
Stay peaceful.
You read that, and so again, you're on record as having read that.
Well, Jerry, if I may, in addition to that, I made my own statement at the end of President Trump's tweets, and I said, I don't support looting.
I don't support violence.
I support a peaceful protest to put them on notice that we, the people, demand justice.
I don't know what more somebody wants, but I think that's pretty much an encapsulating, very perfect synopsis of what Trump was saying and what I was conveying to the crowd.
Yet for that, you've got to remember that that moment in time has been abused by the select committee.
The select committee then took that statement that happened around 4.17 p.m.
And in their June 9, 2022 airing of their first video production of the facts and events, as it was misrepresented by Mr. Benny Thompson as chairman of that committee, they proceeded to play a video.
Which quickly made its way to me and those statements where they selectively edited the entirety of the statement and trimmed it down to just the part that said Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution, to give the states a meaningful opportunity to correct inaccurate facts and such and such and so on.
And at this point...
They only clip that.
Then they use what's called J-cuts, which is a Hollywood film technique, to flash to another scene while they're carrying the voiceover from that scene.
In that, then they begin immediately moving to where there was chance of hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence, as if I somehow created that ideology.
Right.
It's as if you were responsible for that happening.
Well, it got worse.
Later in the Colorado ballot trial, which was the Norma Jean Anderson et al.
case, which was commonly known as the Colorado ballot trial, where they tried to remove Trump from office, they opened with that video playing of me, and this was the Eric Olson, the Attorney for Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington Crew, as it's known, a George Soros-funded organization, Open Border Society group.
Actually said that this man right here, this is his statement, suggests that I received the dog whistle from Donald Trump, notified the crowd it was time to insurrect.
But the key aspect of what the select committee did...
They not only selectively edited the clip, but they fraudulently timestamped it.
They made my statement as if it supposedly happened at 224. Fact of the matter, I wasn't even at the Capitol at 224. I hadn't arrived there.
And this was by the FBI's investigative report that's provided to me and on the public record.
That I was leaving the Capitol at 4.17 in the afternoon when I said these things.
I mean, how did I know all of the content of President Trump's tweets that would come out between 1 something in the afternoon and about 4 p.m.
Eastern?
I was reading those tweets at that time that didn't come out until well after 3.30.
I was not privileged to these tweets.
So unless President Trump and I had a...
A known conspiracy, then that wouldn't be possible.
But that's what happened, and that's one of the cases.
That's how we ended up in the United States Supreme Court on that case after filing a motion to intervene, because we knew the facts of the matter as they were being presented to the Colorado court was disingenuous at best.
Well, and then, so afterwards, you go home, and then you try to get back to things that are normal, and suddenly, You find the FBI is at your door.
Why don't you describe what happened with the FBI coming to arrest you?
Yeah, so January 17th, two plainclothes officers come to my house.
We have a conversation.
I tell them, look, yeah, I was there.
I was in the building.
I've got all this information.
I have my video evidence.
I never harmed anyone.
I never destroyed anything.
I spoke out against any of that.
And we have the video.
We're happy to share it.
Do I need to go with you now?
Am I being arrested?
And they're like, oh, no.
And Mr. Evans, okay.
We just want to know if you were there.
And since you have video, will you be willing to turn it over?
It might help us in our other investments.
I said, look, I've got nothing to hide.
I didn't do anything other than demonstrate that day.
I didn't destroy anything.
We will cooperate fully with law enforcement in the sense that we're not going to withhold any information or evidence.
This exonerates me and the other people.
I explained to them that day, I told them, this lie about insurrection can't stand because there's so many people.
I have video evidence proving that people were just peacefully demonstrating.
They walked around.
I led the national anthem over the megaphone you see above my head and the Pledge of Allegiance inside that building.
It's on the court record.
The government actually says, and then Mr. Robbins leads the national anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance.
It's like as if it's some disparaging moment that should be recognized about.
How horrible of an individual I am that I would dare to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and sing the National Anthem and the hallowed halls of the impropriety that goes on within the Capitol, which I contend, by the way, is probably the building where more crimes against humanity and atrocities and affronts to the American citizens than any other building on the face of the planet.
Well, and so the FBI eventually comes to arrest you.
Talk about what the arrest day was like.
Well, January 17th, they go away.
I let my attorney...
I'd never had a criminal attorney.
I had to call my business attorney and get her to refer me to somebody.
And she was like, what are you criminal for?
She was like, oh my gosh, you were there.
And I showed her the video.
She was like, oh my goodness.
She gets me over in touch with the criminal attorney.
I ended up with this wonderful attorney, Robbie Ward.
She's a fantastic individual.
Prior AUSA, prosecuted RICO crimes.
I mean, wonderful individual.
And she says, Trennis, look, I was in AUSA for all these years, more than a decade.
There's no way that the United States government is coming after a guy that's saying the things you're saying.
They're not going to arrest misdemeanor people who looky-loos, as she called them, that wandered around in the Capitol and maybe spouted off on a megaphone.
Yours in particular is, don't harm the police, don't damage the building.
And we the people, we want justice.
You know, wow, terrible.
You know, I don't know what to say.
I've never been in the presence of such evil, right?
She was making these jokes.
And she says, they're not coming to talk to you.
They just want to know probably your cell phone video that they want.
And this will all go re-resolved and maybe you'll get a trespassing ticket.
I was like, okay, well, I trust you.
It doesn't look that way, not from what I'm seeing on TV, and it looks pretty Gestapo-ish to me.
I'm a little scared.
I think Stalin's probably clapping in his grave, excited about what's happening in the United States.
She then says, no, no, you trust me, trust me.
Because nobody could believe that this was going to happen.
March 4th, that morning.
I was in my office having my first cup of coffee, doing some work, sitting down at my computer, working on one of the J6 investigation pieces I was doing early on, trying to understand the event.
I mean, it's only been two months since J6 at this point, right?
It was the weekend that my father-in-law had died.
We were going to see that day.
The viewing of the body was Thursday for the family.
He was a 30-year police chief and a United States Navy veteran.
My wife's father, very honorable man, well-respected in the community.
And we were going to the viewing of the body.
And this was a consistent method, by the way.
They did this at Grandma's birthday, 50th anniversary.
They did this shock and awe that Michael Sherwin promised the American public on 60 Minutes.
It wasn't only in the speed of the arrest, the amount of the charging or overcharging, as one might say, but it was in the manner of arrest and how they did things with this joint terrorism task force running out SWAT teams on supposed domestic violent extremists because they held Christian ideology, believed in the Declaration of Independence.
They actually took pictures of the documents you see behind me.
I'll slide it over there.
The United States Constitution, Bill Wright's Declaration of Independence as evidence.
Of my domestic violent extremism.
Now, these are the people that showed up for a peaceful protester that never conducted action of violence, never harmed his whole soul, and spoke out on behalf of the United States Capitol Police and ultimately cleared the building with them over the megaphone saying, come on, folks, let's go.
They're asking us to leave.
We got to get out of here.
And the Capitol Police are patting me on the back, fist bumping me, thanking me for this.
They brought a SWAT team of 20 plus people, set up snipers across the street.
They then have a battering ram.
I just happened to see him coming down my front walk, and Jerry, I was just blown away with what I was seeing in that moment.
Absolutely blown away.
We're going to have to go on a field trip so people can experience this the way I did one day at my house, as a matter of fact.
So as I sit in my office, it's like so crazy.
I could flip the camera around.
I'm not going to do it right now.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to move this to get a better side here.
I looked out this window right here and saw them coming, and I was like, what the hell is this?
It was like ants erupted over a Twinkie on a hot summer day in a park, right?
I mean, there's battering rams, there's militarized-looking vehicles rolling up Humvees, people jumping off the side of it.
It's like, do you think they're going to get El Chapo or some horrible criminal?
Hillary Clinton or somebody, right?
Like, you know, one of these true criminals of crimes against the people.
These people roll out and they're battering ram and I'm like, whoa!
I'm yelling at my wife, put the dog up!
Put the dog up!
I'm trying to get to the door.
I get there in time to be greeted with this battering ram.
This guy's reared back ready to go.
It's FBI. Bang, bang, bang, bang.
Open up.
I look out to see my 13-year-old son at gunpoint who was on his way to school.
That imagery, Jerry.
I see those red dots all over your kid and automatic weapons pointed at him.
For someone that was...
I mean, I was exonerated as a peaceful demonstrator, but they called me an insurrectionist or whatever, but exonerated, resolved with a misdemeanor charge, four points.
There's a point system in the United States.
I was resolved, I mean, it's less than what happens to an individual that steals a car stereo or something, I mean, for first offense, or somebody that, you know, eggs a house.
It's like that level, right?
And I didn't vandalize anything.
Four points of a misdemeanor for federal crime and had to go to federal prison after the SWAT team comes in.
Raid your house.
Your kid's at gunpoint.
Your dog's barking.
You're begging them, don't shoot my dog.
Stop, please.
Let us put her up.
She's not friendly.
My wife's drug out in her bathrobe.
The red dots on your son are lasers scoping in with a weapon.
You're obviously aware of that.
That's pretty frightening that they put a weapon sighted onto your son.
Why?
I mean, and I kept asking them, much like this position I spoke about, you know, something earlier that we've talked about before, but why?
Why are you doing this?
I asked him, I said, why?
All you have to do is call me.
I would come in and bring everything.
We told you that.
My attorney told you that.
I'm not going to destroy any evidence.
I'm not going to get myself in any trouble.
I think, you know, we never, we thought they just want me like as a, you know, a witness, like here's my videos.
And no, I didn't see anyone doing anything violent or whatever.
And this is what came for me.
And I'll never forget.
I didn't even know what my charges were.
I was arrested.
Put in this vehicle, hauled off by the FBI. Handcuffed, right?
You were handcuffed, handcuffed.
Oh, yeah, handcuffed.
Put in the backseat of the car.
And just before they put me in the backseat of the car, as I was yelling, why are you doing this?
Why are you doing this?
My neighbor's outside yelling at him.
You got all these people here assembled.
I guess you're going to get Hillary next, right?
This is in the world.
I mean, this guy Garrett.
I love this guy, man.
Fantastic.
I see him all the time.
He's always asking.
Well, they weren't going to get Hillary to access for sure.
No.
And so they cut you off.
And, I mean, your family's chaos.
Jerry, this is important.
I want to share this.
Yeah.
I'm standing on my front porch, handcuff, ready to go, being hauled off to this federal detention center.
No idea what the charges are.
Here's my wife, like, finally, you know, after being a policeman's, you know, daughter for all, you know, our lives, you know, she grew up a policeman's daughter, and she said, Do we have a warrant?
Can I get some information here?
People are all over my house going through everything.
They're like, yeah, we'll find you one.
We'll get it for you.
They finally brought her a warrant.
It was basically getting all my electronic devices and so forth.
I was just like, whatever, man.
This is crazy.
I finally asked the agent.
He didn't answer me.
Nobody would answer me.
I kept just asking into the universe, why are you doing this?
Seriously, I didn't do anything.
This is what you're doing?
You've got to be kidding me.
This big, you know, giant agent, my gorilla kind of guy, size-wise, just a big, massive man.
And he goes, because one of your guys beat one of our guys to death with a fire extinguisher, and he's stomping toward me.
You know, and I'm like, holy crap, is this guy going to attack me while I'm handcuffed?
And, you know, am I going to fall down the stairs and hit my head?
You know, like, what's going on here?
And the agent quickly steps between us, he arrests me, and hauls me up to the car and says, look, he says, You know, these people are upset about that.
And I was like, but Officer Sicknick wasn't killed the way they said it didn't happen.
No police officers died.
That's a lie.
The guy died of a stroke a day later.
I mean, this was well known by this point.
But what happened, Jerry, and as I've said before, when I testified on Capitol Hill about this, they set these people up, right?
They set up these SWAT teams and they sent them out.
They wound them up with the idea that we killed one of theirs.
And then they set them in motion.
To come make these raids.
So they think they're raiding some domestic violent extremist home that's armed and dangerous.
And it may have had something to do with killing a federal officer that day.
That's why they were in the position they were in.
I think a lot of these people are good people.
But how would you feel?
They actually told them.
And I read the indictments that said possible murder of federal law enforcement.
These indictments said these things.
And you're like, you told these?
You know, armed brutes that I was part of something like that and then sent them to my home, agitated, wound up.
You sent these guys here to my home like this to address my family and me when you knew it wasn't true?
And they did because I believe they were looking for that Waco.
They were looking for that event where somebody responded in a way other than the way all of us have responded over time.
Fine, you know, you could have just called me.
I would have come in.
The whole thing is a travesty.
So you're arrested and now you're charged with a misdemeanor, correct?
Well, no.
I was arrested and charged with the 1512 obstruction of Congress and the four misdemeanors.
So the four misdemeanors we refer to these days as the standard tyranny package.
And then tyranny plus is when they assess these 1512 obstruction of Congress, felonies, and other meaningless charges.
So you were charged with felonies as well?
Yeah, the obstruction of Congress.
Oops, sorry.
Obstruction of Congress.
I had no concept of how I could be charged with this crime.
I'd read about it, and I saw them doing it to others, and I was like, I just assumed these other people must have, like, stolen documents or something because I read, what, 1512 Obstruction of Congress.
It was created for the Enron-Skillings case, as it's known.
And I was sure that, you know, maybe that's why they were doing it to those people.
There must be something there that they were obstructing by stealing documents.
And it wasn't the case.
I mean, it's just a lie.
It was a lie for hundreds of American citizens that they used it to bludgeon them.
They needed a felony to do a warrant like that.
Those no-knock warrants require a felony.
So that's the felony they dreamed up to assert.
Because the lower bar felonies in that same category don't apply because those things didn't happen.
So they had to dream up the content of one, and they picked the 20-year felony.
Absolutely unbelievable, absurd, one of the greatest tragedies in American jurisprudence to date.
Well, we're going to cover two or three more points that are really important before we run out of time.
We've got a few more minutes left.
You're charged, you go to trial.
As I'm charged, I go to Federal Detention Center.
I get released on my own recognizance.
Don't even have to put up bond.
The federal judge was like...
I thought this was so ridiculous.
I'm not even taking this guy's firearms.
They didn't take my firearms because we had credible death threats that were made that the FBI had yet to investigate.
People are making death threats against me and my family, yet the FBI hasn't done anything about those.
They don't have any interest.
They're more worried about a guy that protested because they could label me as domestic violent extremists.
Then, before trial, they used to come to me and they tell me if I plead guilty to...
The 1512 obstruction of Congress that they'll drop the four misdemeanors.
The attorney is, you know, she's like, oh, I got a great deal.
They're going to offer you just a felony.
And I'm like, what?
She forwarded me this email on this day.
Listen, Jerry, she forwarded me the email from AUSA. Realizing I now had his contact, I just wrote this long letter, excuse me, and my response at the end is, I will not negotiate with terrorists.
She comes unglued, like, what are you doing?
You can't communicate with them.
And I said, I don't want to communicate with them.
My notice is I will not negotiate with terrorists.
And it was hilarious.
We had this back and forth.
Looking back on it, it's hilarious.
But in the time, so eventually they came to me and offered me a misdemeanor.
It allowed me this so-called misdemeanor opportunity.
And I said, look, I had to know better.
I do recognize that as a controlled building.
So I'll take your misdemeanor in the instance of I can, that would at least make sense in some respect, in some normal world.
But January 6th for most defendants, as it was for me during the 15-12 obstruction of Congress charge being alive, is essentially Alice in Wonderland of any kind of reality.
It's just absolute absurdity for most people.
So you did plead guilty to a misdemeanor?
I did.
So my choices were go to trial, face 23 years in prison with the obstruction charge, which has been thrown out by the Supreme Court since then, by the way, or plead guilty to the misdemeanor that had a maximum of one year incarceration and being I had no criminal history, my guidelines were zero to six months.
That was my choices.
You can face zero to six months or face what would have been, what ended up being for people that tried to go to trial on that, what ended up being three to eight years.
So they got convicted up, and I thankfully had that opportunity, and I seized that moment to save myself because I didn't want to not have...
I wanted to be home and see my child graduate high school.
I wanted to be home with my wife.
I don't want to put my family in that position.
I don't know how we would have survived years in prison.
I mean, we would have probably gone bankrupt.
We would have lost our home.
Had to sell our home.
Lost our business.
It was unconscionable to think what was happening.
And that's what happened to those that courageously, God bless them, for their courage to stand up against that machine.
Because I didn't do it.
I didn't take that path.
I chose the lighter of the evils and said, look, I'm facing evil.
What am I going to do?
My wife and I talked about it, which is why I always say whatever an individual chose, whether they chose to take a plea deal or they chose that.
I don't think that the American public should recognize it as justice.
But I think more importantly, certainly should none of us disparage those individuals because I have great, um, Respect for those that took it on the chin and went to trial because they did years in prison unjustly on 1512 before it was overturned by the Supreme Court and they were released.
And then those that took the plea deals, God bless them, I understand the weight and the pressure that goes there and you having to consider your family and others outside of just what you want to do as a man or a woman.
Now you also, so you did spend a few days in jail.
You were incarcerated for a few days, right?
Yeah, Jerry.
So I was the first person to receive the weekend prison sentence.
So I'm so dangerous.
I get this.
I'm so dangerous.
I'm a domestic violent extremist that I have to go turn myself in every Friday at 6 p.m.
because God knows I would only be a terrorist on the weekend, right?
Between the hours of 6 p.m.
and 6 a.m., 6 p.m.
Friday and 6 a.m.
Monday.
I mean, I'm sorry.
I can't help but laugh.
I mean, I just want to ask these people, like, does this make sense, right?
How long did you do that?
Yeah, I was supposed to do 10 weekends of that, right?
So I would go to turn myself in.
To the federal president says, maximum security, chained up like Hannibal Lecter.
I mean, the whole thing.
And they hauled me off to solitary confinement.
Jerry, they kept me where they kept the 9-11 terrorists that they arrested out of Houston, that same holding cell, and said, this is where we put the terrorists.
And, I mean, it was like they thought they were going to have me locked up there, like, indefinitely, like, forever, I guess.
I don't know.
The jailer doesn't know.
The person walking down there to lock you in the spot doesn't know the content of everything with your case, right?
So they locked me in there, and that look of surprise on their face when I was getting out on Monday morning.
I was like, wait a minute, you're getting out?
Like, yeah, I'll see you next week.
I'll be back Friday.
You know, it's kind of like that old, it's like the two old sheepdog or the coyote, like, yeah, see you later, Ralph.
All right, Norton.
You know, it's like they're clocking in for duty, right?
It's just, I... How many weekends did you have to spend doing this?
Well, I was supposed to spend, the judge said 20 days, right?
And then, so the BOP... Came up with this schedule of 10 weekends for me.
And while I was going in there, you know, I was trying to absorb all the information one could absorb about becoming an inmate in the federal prison system.
Like, you know, how do you, I mean, we all know you don't drop the soap, right?
Start there, but, you know, what else is there to know?
And so I pulled out, after I'd read everything online I could find for prisoners, I got the BOP manual.
And I finally read this cover-to-cover BOP manual and the prisoner's manual.
And what I came to find out from the actual BOP manual is that any part of a day constitutes a day.
So when I checked in on Friday, that was a day.
And when I had Saturday, Sunday, that was a day.
And Monday constituted a day because I was there 12 p.m.
or 12 a.m.
to 6 a.m.
So I called my probation officer and said, hey, by the way, I'm done.
Thanks.
It was great knowing you.
I appreciate it.
It was lovely.
And I gave the jail like a two-star rating.
Anyway, by the way, you have to watch the videos on the Rumble channel I made.
I was not going to give them one of those tearful, oh, poor me videos.
What is your Rumble channel?
It's a Condemned USA as well.
Condemned USA. But the videos out there, I made a video going into prison and totally mocked their system, mocked the judges, and they deserved it.
They deserved to be mocked for what they did to people.
But anyway, long story short, so I called the probation officer, hey, I'm done, five weekends, and he was like, no, no, you've got five more weekends on this schedule.
I was like...
No, no, no, no, I don't.
Call the marshals.
Whatever you've got to do, here's the reality.
I am doing 20 days, and any part of a day is a day.
And they went, holy crap, he's right.
Oh, my gosh, this Judge Friedrich lost her mind about it.
She can't resend and do a new order.
That was it.
I've already completed the sentence.
So I was smart enough to wait until afterward and get there.
You have to watch.
You know, we have like virtually no one, but we have so many videos on here.
And as you scroll through these, there it is, that one with the bobblehead.
Lifestyles of the January 6th.
You fought these people.
You've beaten them.
You've gone through all.
You've had to become virtually a lawyer to do it.
You've had to.
And now you're playing a major role in the J6 movement.
You know, you've gotten.
You're well recognized among the J6ers as having really beaten them, articulated the story.
I think this book is going to become an essential book of the movement.
And also, I'm working to have you named as an acquiring editor under me.
If there's any other books you want to publish for the J6 movement, we'll seriously take a look at them.
But the point is, you participated in...
One of the, I think, major historic moments of the United States, which is the attempt to get justice against this lawfare that we've been experiencing.
And the re-election of Donald Trump, which I think was a massive watershed moment when the American people rejected all this.
And we're about on the edge of seeing what happens with the J6ers.
When we go through the release of these prisoners, and I think that they will be released, we're going to have you on the show more often to help us navigate through what's happening and to bring on J6ers.
I want to do a lot of interviews with J6ers and tell their stories.
But I'm encouraging everybody, get a copy of the book.
It's a spellbinding read.
Once you start into it, You're going to get captivated, and you won't, page after page, you just aren't going to believe what Trenus is saying happened.
I mean, it's mind-blowing what you had to go through.
Jerry, if I may interject, the legal team at Post Hill is no joke.
I had to prove to these guys.
I know.
It's not just what I say happened.
It's what I can prove happened.
I know.
And we had to go through this.
It took months to get past the legal team.
And I get it.
Like, hey, nobody wants to sue.
This is real.
But this happened.
We have the court documents and the record to support these things.
From everything from FBI entrapment efforts to there was this targeted effort where the U.S. Marshals admitted that they were being told by someone.
It's still never been held.
The select committee and others refused to have me testify, and U.S. Marshals admitted that they were...
Coordinated effort to tell them not to tell the truth about me and my case in capturing a federal human trafficking fugitive who escaped from prison while on federal pretrial release.
You can't make that make sense.
And I've showed that story to be true.
We know who this person was.
It's just insane that this happened.
And U.S. Marshals admitted this to legal counsel and said, yeah, we've been told not to do it.
It's going to be damaging for my career.
Difficult for me.
I could be harmed in this.
You've got to let me out of this.
Holy crap, we believed you on everything else.
We had a hard time with this, but when they admitted this, we were just dumbfounded.
And the DOJ got caught in the floor of the court.
It's on the transcript.
It's been a year getting it unsealed.
The American public can read it for themselves on the transcript, which we encapsulate well in the book, Jerry.
And again, I want to remind people, this isn't my story alone.
My story is only emblematic of so many other people, and some are so much worse.
But I just narrowly escaped what could have been what decades of my life spent behind bars.
Literally narrowly escaped it by doing the right thing and going to my attorney saying, I want nothing to do with this.
They're trying to call you.
She's like, oh my God, this is entrapment.
I see what's happening.
We were documenting this stuff, this information, this work product that was coming from the confidential human source and the FBI trying to engage me.
And with just my...
Just if I would have donated to their fund or given them a thumbs up of support, they would have locked me up for a long time based on the fact that I was taking part in domestic violence extremism.
and I was actually, thank God, explaining all this to my attorney and she was documenting all this and my position on it that I wanted nothing to do with these people.
But it was a firm entrapment scheme.
None of those people were ever arrested and they were doing this with a situation to drag people into joining up with a group, going to meet with a militia, bringing arms and ammunition to go to the Michigan State Capitol, to which I avoided, talked to my attorney about, said, I want nothing to do with this.
I'm getting calls on this.
I don't want to deal with these people.
By the way, reminder.
None of those people were ever arrested.
It was a total entrapment.
And I can't prove it was an entrapment, but you tell me why they didn't ever arrest any of those people.
It was a clear entrapment scheme.
There's no doubt about it in my mind whatsoever.
And the idea that the J6ers were all these desperate insurrectionists.
Here we have people coming across the border illegally multiple times committing heinous crimes and they're released.
And, you know, so the entire, this whole, I'd say, Democratic, Communist, treasonous party has finally gone too far.
And I think the American people have seen it.
And I think now it's time.
I'm pleased we've done this interview before the inauguration.
We're anticipating the inauguration.
When it happens, we're going to have you back, Trennis, and we're going to do a lot more with the J6ers.
I'm committed to telling the story.
I'm committed to providing space for the J6ers to tell their story.
I want this to be memorialized so that Americans across the country can see the injustice done.
So, in conclusion, I just thank you for joining us, and I welcome you back.
In the end, God always wins.
God's going to win here, too.
You know, I think that there's no small victories here.
Those are man's victories.
These are victories born of faith and freedom, constitutionally correct path, and people's effort to preserve all of those things that we hold, that so many have fought for.
So thanks, Jerry, for letting me share a little bit about really my story, but what really and truly is the story of all J6ers.
They all experienced something of this, and many experienced more, and it's in variations.
But we tell many of their stories in the behind-the-scenes fights of the trials and so much that happened.
The American public just needs a light shone on this to see what really happened.
And God bless everybody that's been through this horrific process.
And I hope that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance have...
The wherewithal to be restorative to the freedoms of these people and allow justice to truly ring through here and get through this garbly gook, if you will, of the American justice system as it was played out in supposedly our alleged justice system in Washington, D.C. Well, thanks, Ternus.
The interview has been with Ternus Evans.
The book is Call It Insurrection, Comrade.
It's a great read.
We'll have Trenus back.
Trenus, thank you.
God bless you.
And thank you for your patriotism and for fighting this battle.
