Dec. 13, 2024 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Putting the Patient Back in Charge of His or Her Own Health Care with Dr. David Hartsuch: Part 1
The Make America Health Again will begin strong with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. at the helm when the Donald Trump Administration takes over the U.S. Executive Branch. Drafted to serve with his movement is Dr. David Hartsuch, who is best known for making important discoveries to fight off and cure COVID but was immediately persecuted for such revelations. Dr. Hartsuch joins Dr. Jerome Corsi for the first of a two-part discussion to delve into some of the things the doctor will be working on while serving with RFK Jr, not the least of which would be ways to not only make America a healthier nation overall but to give the people power back when it comes to their own health care decisions. In part 2, Dr. Hartsuch will discuss hyperbaric treatments and ways to make them more accessible to people who need them.Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comIf you like what we are doing, please support our Sponsors:Get RX Meds Now: https://www.getrxmedsnow.comMyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpGet Dr. Corsi's new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis: Forensic Analysis of the JFK Autopsy X-Rays Proves Two Headshots from the Right Front and One from the Rear, here: https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-President-John-Kennedy-Headshots/dp/B0CXLN1PX1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20W8UDU55IGJJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ymVX8y9V--_ztRoswluApKEN-WlqxoqrowcQP34CE3HdXRudvQJnTLmYKMMfv0gMYwaTTk_Ne3ssid8YroEAFg.e8i1TLonh9QRzDTIJSmDqJHrmMTVKBhCL7iTARroSzQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=jerome+r.+corsi+%2B+jfk&qid=1710126183&sprefix=%2Caps%2C275&sr=8-1Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comGet your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Our link to where to get the Marco Polo 650-Page Book on the Hunter Biden laptop & Biden family crimes free online:https://www.thetruthcentral.com/marco-polo-publishes-650-page-book-on-hunter-biden-laptop-biden-family-crimes-Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-truth-central-with-dr-jerome-corsi--5810661/support.
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This is Dr. Jerome Corsi and thank you for joining us at thetruthcentral.com.
We're doing podcasts here every weekday.
You can find me on x at Corsi Jerome 1. Find me on Substack Jerome Corsi Phd.substack.com.
And we have a very special guest with us today, and I'm going to get right into it.
Dr. David Hartsuch.
And Dr. Hartsuch is, I think, a remarkable physician.
He's been fighting the battles, as we've all been fighting the battles.
He's very closely tied with Robert Kennedy Jr. and With another radiologist who is very, very much in barometric treatments, Dr. Edward Fogarty.
I first got introduced to Dr. Fogarty back in March of this year, 2024, when I published with Dr. David Mantic the book The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Final Analysis, because Dr. Mantic had done...
Really three decades worth of work on the JFK archives, the three remaining skull x-rays of JFK from the autopsy of the assassination on November 22, 1963, was optical density measurements had proved that all three of the x-rays had been forged to mask evidence of frontal shots.
Jack Kennedy had been shot at least twice from the front that you can see clear evidence of in the x-rays.
And this is forensic scientific information done with a densitometer.
So it's really indisputable and game-changing once the public understands the work that Dr. Mantic had done.
Now, when I introduced the book to Bobby Kennedy to make him aware the book was being published because it involved the assassination of his uncle and had implications on the assassination of his father, Bobby Kennedy wanted the book checked out by Dr. Mantic.
Fogarty to make sure it was reliable.
And Dr. Fogarty, I shared all the information Dr. Mantic did and Dr. Fogarty validated that our analysis was correct and he agreed with it 100% without qualification.
So that began my ability to talk with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's been very generous.
He's thanked us for the work we have done and Dr. Mantic and I and many scholars.
To get the truth out about the assassination of his father and his uncle, John F. Kennedy, and Robert F. Kennedy.
And that work will continue.
Now, fortunately, we've had the goddess Dane that Robert Kennedy is going to run our health organizations after Donald Trump's victory.
And Dr. Hartsuch, I believe, is going to play a role in the administration.
I want to get his views, I want to get his background, and I want everybody to see that I think we're into a threshold change where instead of medicine being about being big money, big pharmacy, making people sick and killing people, keeping them dependent on drugs, I think we have the chance to heal people and to get back to remedies that God gave us that will work.
And so therefore, Dr. Hartzach, I thank you for joining us today.
I'm very I want to give a preface for the discussion, and why don't you give yourself an introduction very briefly, and we're really happy to have you here.
So why don't you take a couple of minutes and introduce yourself?
Thank you for having me today, Mr. Corsi.
I appreciate that.
I am a former state senator.
I'm a CPA as well as a medical doctor.
I also have a master's in computer science from the University of Minnesota.
I went to medical school at the University of Minnesota.
And then I did residency.
I did three years of surgical residency and switched over to emergency medicine, which I did at Detroit Receiving Hospital, which is perhaps probably the nation's foremost trauma center.
There are a few others that are on the same par.
I started my interest in politics at the age of six.
My mother took me around campaigning And where were you born?
I was born outside of Chicago in Downers Grove, Illinois.
And my mother got involved with politics because of Phyllis Schlafly.
And when I was six years old, she used to take me around campaigning.
And she would have me go on one side of the street while she took the other side of the street.
And I can remember at six years old knocking on doors for my favorite politician, Richard Nixon, who today looks like a saint compared to these politicians of today.
Well, it's funny to mention Phyllis.
I mean, Phyllis and I got to be very close after I wrote Unfit for Command in 2004, the book against John Kerry, the Swift book.
And we worked together very closely on, during the George W. Bush administration, trying to defeat the Security and Prosperity Partnership in North America, the creation of the North American Union.
I spoke many, many times for Phyllis.
We got to be good friends and collaborators.
I was honored to be able to work...
Her big book and back into the Goldwater days was, you know, A Choice, Not an Echo.
Yes.
Which I'm sure you're familiar with.
Yep.
And I met Phyllis Schlafly down in St. Louis where she was head of the Eagles Forum and met with her with a couple of my political friends regarding the appointment of judges and how the judges should be, what the retention of judges, and what a problem it is in Iowa and many other states.
And this is very important to Phyllis Schlafly.
And also, I know her son, Andy Schlafly, who's a tremendous legal mind in the medical field and the chief legal counsel for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
I know Andy Schlafly, too.
He's a great, brilliant mind.
I agree with you.
Yeah, Andy, what he is doing is, I think, essential for to maintain medicine in America.
If it weren't for him, I think we'd be lost.
We really would.
Well, let's continue with your story.
I mean, so you're here in Chicago.
You're basically a little kid.
You're out with your mother campaigning and knocking on doors.
Yeah, yeah.
How do people receive you when they answer the door?
I distinctly remember this really tall man.
He must have been 6'5 or so, and he answered the door, and he said, do you like this guy, Richard Nixon?
And I said, I don't know, but my mom does.
She's across the street if you want to talk to her.
He said, no, if he's good enough for you, he's good enough for me.
Really?
Yeah, I can distinctly remember at the age of six, that interchange with this big, tall guy, and he was kind of impressed by a six-year-old knocking at his door, campaigning.
That's a great story.
It is.
But the reality is I've knocked doors, knocked doors, knocked doors, you know.
And I think that's kind of my view.
And Phyllis Schlafly's view was that we need grassroots politics in order to make substantial change in America.
And I think with Donald Trump, I think this is what happened.
People started to talk to their neighbors.
People started saying, Enough is enough of this administration.
I think especially going after their children and wanting to make their children change sex with sex change operations.
It's a whole host of issues.
But I think, yeah, so anyhow, myself.
So I graduated from high school early.
I was 19 when I graduated from...
From college.
And I got a bachelor's in accounting from Northern Illinois University.
And then went to work at a smaller CPA firm right at the height of this S&L crisis.
And I got involved writing software for doing S&L mergers.
And I switched over to a big eight CPA firm and I was in the computer audit staff.
Where we were trying to make sure that there are manual controls over all automated processes.
That was the big thing.
Meanwhile, my old employer wanted me to continue writing software, so I decided I was going to get a master's in computer science because I should probably know how to More about computer science if I'm going to be writing software.
So I went to, got all my prerequisites and went to University of Minnesota, which at that time had a very well respected computer science program.
They were a supercomputer center.
And at that time I left there.
And went to work in Medtronic in the research area.
And they made pacemakers, heart valves, things like this.
And my plan was to go get a PhD in Biomedical Engineering.
But what happened was the parking lot is on one side of the medical school and the engineering building is on the opposite side.
So you had to walk through the medical school to get to the Department of Biomedical Engineering.
And it was about 4.15 when I was coming back.
I said, geez, I wonder what it takes to get into medical school.
And the office was closed, but I knocked on the door.
and who answered the door but the dean of admissions.
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Yes.
So what happened was I basically got sucked into medical school.
What did he tell you?
What was the discussion?
Oh, my gosh.
It was about a two-hour discussion.
And he wanted to know everything about me, what my background was, and all of this.
And I asked him a lot of questions about what was involved with medical school and all of this.
And it was more than any interview that you would have if you were going into medical school.
But I still had to get all the prerequisites.
I had a substantial mathematical background.
I'm a very mathematical individual.
I've had...
You know, I was going over with my daughter.
She's at Iowa State University.
And I was talking about my mathematical background.
By the time that I applied to medical school, I had to fill out, they had this sheet where you had to list all your courses.
My coursework filled up two applications.
I had to get additional applications to fill out the coursework.
But most of it is mathematics.
Okay, and so you decided to go to medical school.
Yes.
First of all, did you like it?
Oh, I loved it.
I loved it.
It's mind expanding.
And I've always been the person who really likes mind expanding things.
I would say that medical school was the first real mind-expanding thing I've done.
I should say Master's in Computer Science was mind-expanding, but in a different way.
And then I got into medical school, and it's like drinking through a fire hose is what they say.
I thought that I knew a lot about the heart and cardiology because I worked for five years at Medtronic in the research department.
I was involved with cardiovascular, and yet I think they covered everything I knew about cardiovascular in one day in medical school.
I came into medical school, I would say, at the bottom of my class, and I graduated near the top of my class.
And the reason why is I read, I read, and I read.
I have this funny knack of being able to read large quantities of very boring material, but yet I cannot read fiction to save my life.
We're identical.
I'm the same way.
I struggle through fiction.
Fiction, I mean...
Tolkien, Lord of the Rings.
I mean, I got to chapter two, and I think that there's so much development of personality or characters, et cetera.
I'm like, oh, okay.
I managed to read Tolkien when I was in graduate school in the 60s and 70s at Harvard.
Everybody's reading it, so I decided to read it.
Yes.
But it was chore.
Okay.
That's an understatement, man.
It's an understatement.
You better drink a lot of coffee assignment for me.
It was not...
I didn't get lost in the magic of it, I can guarantee you.
No.
At any rate...
But when I got into medical school, again, I was interested in politics.
I've always been interested in politics.
And I was on the legislative committee for the Minnesota Medical Association.
I was a student representative to that board.
And this is right at the time that we had state-run managed care come in called MinnesotaCare.
And A total of 26 states implemented this program under the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
It's called State Initiatives and Healthcare Finance Reform.
And I had a front row center seat.
of what was happening in healthcare reform in America.
I ended up writing and I researched this during medical school while everybody else is just studying their stuff.
I was also researching the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and their involvement in state healthcare reform because I've always thought that the way that the laws became enacted Was that somebody came up with a great idea.
They wrote a law and went through the three houses, passed in the law by the governor or whatever.
But I never thought that there were third party private organizations that basically handed this legislation over to it and said, here, pass this and we'll give you money to pass it.
Okay?
Right.
And so this grant proposal, this grant was $10 million that was given to the state of Minnesota, and it was conditional on passage of the legislation.
Not considered a bribe.
It is not considered a bribe.
I ended up reporting it to the House Ways and Means Committee and the IRS about this because it's a violation of the IRS code.
And I got a call back from somebody who was investigating this, and he said, you know, Dave, you're right.
This is wrong.
However, who's going to ever go against Santa Claus?
That's what he called it.
Right?
So some agent from the IRS tells me, hey, you know, you might be right.
But who's going to go against Santa Claus?
Who's going to take Santa Claus?
It sounds like it's a good cause.
It sure does.
It sounds legit.
It sounds right.
The woods, blah, blah, blah, and the foundation, and blue ribbon study, and this is the way it's going to be.
It all sounds like, why would you not want to do this?
Yeah, and the funny thing is, this was passed by what was called the Gang of Five.
The Gang of Five railroaded this monstrosity through the legislature in Iowa, or in Minnesota, I should say.
And the funny thing is, one of the Gang of Five is somebody who I worked on her campaign.
Yeah.
Because I'm very involved.
I was in her living room, and I asked her, why did you ever support this monstrosity?
And she said, because they threatened me.
They said, if I didn't pass this, they would make sure that I never got anything passed ever again.
Yeah.
Who was she?
Joyce Henry.
Joyce Henry?
Nice lady, you know?
I think she...
She meant well.
And I feel good.
I mean, I've worked on a lot of campaigns.
I mean, you could say Richard Nixon was a bad guy.
But the reality of it is, hey, you don't necessarily...
We don't all have to be saints to be a politician.
I gotcha.
I understand.
You see what I mean?
You went to medical school, so now you've got a medical degree.
Yeah.
Where'd you go next?
Well, after that, so I went into surgical residency at Medical College of Wisconsin and realized that surgery wasn't quite for me.
I did three years of it, but I tell you, in order to go into surgery, you have to like it better than air and water.
Nothing else.
And your life is miserable.
And I noticed with my wife, as an example, when you're in surgery, you hold out your hand and you expect the instrument to be placed in your hand.
And I had this feeling with my wife, it was the same thing.
I would come home and say, honey, here, hand me the blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
And so it really was not a good match.
So I switched over to emergency medicine, and that took me to Detroit, a Detroit receiving hospital.
And there, every day is, you see hell on earth every day.
You probably saw gunshots, knife wounds, everything you can think of.
Yeah, it's not just gunshot wounds.
No, no, no.
Typically, you would have four or five gunshot wounds a day per shift, I should say.
Yeah, right.
Per shift.
And we've had so many gunshot wounds coming through there where we had to move them out of the trauma room quickly.
Just to make room for the other ones coming in.
I don't doubt it.
I'm sure Chicago, Detroit are the same.
Many cities in New York, I'm sure they're all the same.
Yes.
And nobody, most average people have no idea what a true urban area emergency room is like.
Right, right.
And you don't have a lot of time to save their lives either to decide whether you can.
No.
No.
But when I got out of there, I was recruited to come to the Quad Cities in Davenport here.
And I live in Bettendorf, Iowa, right next door.
And I was recruited by a man by the name of Walter Bradley, who I just thought the world of.
My wife and I were driving out.
We were originally from Chicago area.
We kind of wanted to stay in the Chicago area.
And we were driving out.
We got near Dixon, Illinois.
And I turned to my wife and said, man, this is a long way out.
It's about two hours so far.
We had about another half an hour to go.
And I said, I don't think we're going to live this far out.
Do you think we should cancel the interview?
And she said, no, I think you need the practice.
You know, you haven't had an interview for a while.
I said, okay, I'll do it, but I don't think we're going to live out here.
But when I met Walter, Walter was a black man from the south side of Chicago.
He was the only person to ever have graduated from high school in his family.
And he not only was an ER doctor, but he had an MBA and he was an incredible person.
But he said to me, He said, Dave, what I want more than anything are doctors who are going to bring faith, hope, and light to patients.
Okay?
And every other doctor who I talk to, every ER doctor, they say, no, what I want more than anybody is somebody who's going to bill large amounts of people.
Churning RVUs is what it is.
And they wanted somebody who was going to churn the dollars in the ER. But here you had somebody who vocalized a subjective, non-quantitative mission For what he wanted.
And I said, I walked out of the meeting with him.
A value mission.
He's saving the values of what you're doing.
The values, exactly.
And I walked out of there and I told my wife, I said, there's the man I want to work for.
Okay?
How did she react?
No, she was okay.
She said, if you want to work, this is where we're going to live.
We've been here 20 years, or I think we're going on 20 years here in the Quad Cities, and it's a great place to live, a great place to raise your kids.
It's been good for her.
It's been good for us.
We've enjoyed the Quad Cities.
We have friends here.
It's amazing.
Quite amazing.
Then my daughter, you know, Iowa State, I can only say she's far smarter than I ever was.
Yes.
We've had to experience a good quality of life, and certainly it's much healthier than Chicago in many ways.
We did.
And the thing about it is, so a year went by and Walter told me, you know, I wanted to tell you, he took me aside, I want to tell you, of all the other doctors, you're the one that exemplifies my view of faith, hope, and life.
I want to bring those to patients.
And he says it's reflected in the way you do it because it's been a year and you have not had a single complaint.
Every other doctor typically gets one complaint a month or something of that nature.
He said, Dave, not one complaint.
And Walter and I were very close.
I was as loyal to him as I would say a shogun to a samurai, a samurai to a shogun.
Incredible.
And ultimately he died.
And he died young.
And since then I don't think I've ever worked for somebody who was like Walter.
But I do believe...
That Bobby Kennedy could be that person.
Because he has the same kind of character.
Let's kind of transition now.
Fast forward, you had medical practice, and we skip a lot of the time in history, but how did you get to know Bobby Kennedy?
Well, I didn't know Bobby Kennedy until he was running for president.
You've run for office yourself.
You've served in the legislature.
Yeah, what happened is when I came out here to the Quad Cities, so I went to work at the local hospital or one of the local hospitals, and I ended up running for the Senate as a Republican.
I can tell you, my employer was not too eager to have a Republican senator working in their ER, and so they asked me to leave.
Okay?
And that was fine.
I was okay with that.
I went to work in the legislature and I sat next to Ken Reynolds, who was our current Republican governor here in Iowa.
And her daughter is a physician recruiter for what was called acute care out in Ankeny, Iowa.
And she recruited me to work as an ER doctor, what we call locum tenens, where you travel from ER to ER and you fill in at that point.
I've been doing that for over 12 years, 15, I think, something like that.
I think it's at least 12, you know.
Well, you have doctors who are otherwise going to be gone for a while and you take their place, do their job for the time they're gone.
Yeah, and I travel around a lot here in Iowa, Illinois, up in Wisconsin, a lot in Wisconsin, and some over in Minnesota.
And typically four or five hours away.
So it was a lot of travel.
I liked it.
I liked being an ER doctor.
And then went to What ultimately happened is that the COVID broke out.
I started a clinic in 2020 and originally started as a men's health clinic.
It very quickly grew into a COVID clinic where I was treating lots of COVID. I've treated lots of COVID as an outpatient.
And what happened was the And basically, I'm trying to summarize this kind of succinctly here, because ultimately what happened is the Board of Medicine in Iowa and along the Board of Pharmacy,
working with the Federation of State Medical Boards and the FDA, tried to prevent us doctors from treating COVID. And that is currently a lawsuit that I have against the Board of Medicine and the Board of Pharmacy, which is at the Supreme Court level.
When Bobby Kennedy came out, what happened was I meant...
The problem there for a minute is that if you didn't want to go along with the vaccines, you wanted to use treatments like Dr. Zelenko or others had in place, you were targeting yourself to be in the big pharmacies and the medical establishment, the government would come down upon you and even threaten to take your license away.
Right.
I have been preemptive, and instead of letting the board come after me, I've gone after them.
I am the predator, and they are the prey.
It's not the other way around.
And I've been very successful in what I've done, and we can talk about that later.
But the real question was, so here I was, I was treating COVID, and that's when I met Ted Fogarty.
And I was driving on up to Mason City, and Ted and I talked on the phone for probably about four hours.
I mean, he and I are very like-minded.
I've had conversations with Ted, too, that have gone on for a long time.
Oh, incredible.
And Ted is an incredibly bright individual.
Yes.
And he understands everything I say.
And that's very difficult to find somebody who understands everything.
You're on the same wavelength.
You want to heal people.
You want to heal people.
And you're not sold.
You haven't sold your soul to a big pharmacy.
You haven't sold out for money.
So what happened was we were exchanging information that we had received about how to treat COVID. And that was a very interesting discussion.
And that's when I learned about hyperbaric, what he had been doing.
So I ended up buying a couple of hyperbaric chambers.
And since that time frame, I've treated I put everything in the hyperbaric chamber.
Hyperbaric is essentially a high pressure.
People know it, for instance, when you go deep sea diving and you come back up too fast and you've got air bubbles in your bloodstream.
You've got to get into a high pressure environment again so that your blood can get rid of that oxygen and you can get back into normal.
But what Ted Fogarty and others have found, and what I'm sure you're going to discuss, is that these hyperbaric treatments, which intentionally puts people in a high-pressure chamber, have many, many unexpected therapeutic effects that are positive.
Yes.
They basically encourage healing of the body across the board, and they discourage the breakdown of the body.
And we can talk a little bit more about this This is really about how did I meet Bobby Kennedy.
We're going to do two segments.
In the second segment, when people come back, we're going to get into the medicine of hyperbarics.
Because, as I say, I own and run telemedicine companies, and we're going to take one of them, which is getlongevitymeds.com, and we're going to dedicate it to one of the primary purposes will be to let you and Ted Fogarty and Bobby Kennedy develop hyperbarics for the nation.
Now, I make the point that I'm a political scientist.
My PhD from Harvard is in political science.
I'm not a medical doctor.
And I can guarantee you that Donald Trump did not design the golf course at Bedminster Country Club in New Jersey, not far from where we live.
Yes.
And if I had the opportunity to design a country club at Pebble Beach or Malibu or one of those other beautiful places, I guarantee you I'd find the best person in the world I could find that designs country clubs and let them do the job.
So I'm going to turn over, I'm going to create this telemedicine company in particular, but I'll probably have three or four of them, and that you guys will be doctors in charge and the medicine will be set by the doctors in charge.
We'll find the funding, but we're going to, my goal is to make hyperbaric treatment Available and understood throughout the United States of America and hopefully throughout the world.
Yes.
You guys are the guys who are going to do it.
What I call, I call my clinic HEM, hyperbaric extended medicine.
I'm a medical doctor.
I do everything a medical doctor does, but I also do hyperbarics.
And the kind of double entendre here is the woman who touched the HEM of Christ's And it's said in the Bible that she had spent everything she had on doctors.
And this is a problem that we have.
All of my patients come to me because they have spent everything they had on the medical system, and they're dealing with chronic issues that have no cure.
And yet, I'm making them better.
Well, let's describe what a hyperbaric chamber is so people can visualize it.
And there are many different kinds of hyperbaric chambers, but what's the basic understanding or functioning of a hyperbaric chamber, and how does it work?
Well, there's two types of...
I mean, I think you're asking a question that's going to take a little bit of time.
Do you want to get back into the issue of...
Yeah, let's go back.
We'll put this to the second part.
Let's do how you got to know Robert Kennedy in this part, and we'll kind of wrap up this first part with how you got into Kennedy.
Sure.
So, Ted Fogarty has known Robert Kennedy for a long time.
And also, I met John Jacobson, who was in the house, the Iowa house.
Right.
And he was a champion of medical freedom here in Iowa.
And he also has started a radio show, which he does, and we frequently get on and talk about these things.
But anyhow, I went with John Jacobson.
I was at the Iowa State Fair, and Bobby Kennedy was talking as a presidential candidate.
And I was so impressed with him because he talked about issues of corruption.
Corruption of various symptoms.
One of the big issues out here in Iowa is what's called the carbon dioxide pipeline, carbon pipeline, and how it's gobbling up farmland.
And a lot of people are having their farmland taken away in order to bring this thing together.
But anyhow, he was talking about that.
And I didn't hear any of the Republicans.
Keep in mind, I've been a Republican all my life, but I've never heard any Republican talking about this issue.
I heard of lots of activists talking about it, but not the politicians.
So I was very impressed with him.
John ended up with an interview with him, and that's when I first met Bobby Kennedy.
And since that time frame, I have sent out an invitation to Bobby Kennedy to come to the press conference that I'm going to have when the Supreme Court finally rules on my case.
It's been over two years.
Okay, now, so you started working with Bobby Kennedy.
Was he campaigning?
What was he doing in Iowa?
Yeah, he was campaigning in Iowa.
And basically I went to, I wasn't necessarily working on his campaign per se, but I did go to a number of his events that he had.
And very, I've heard him speak.
I'm very, very impressed with who he is.
As am I. Most people don't understand that Bobby Kennedy has had a long career as an attorney.
He was an environmental attorney.
He did a lot of litigation against companies that were destroying or polluting environments.
And then he was a darling of the left.
They loved him.
But as soon as he started talking about vaccines producing autism, And started investigating the big pharmacy and medical.
Suddenly, the left abandoned Bobby Kennedy and started demonizing him.
Yeah.
My personal belief is, I hope that the Republican Party gives him a big old bear hug and said, welcome over to the party.
I think it's happened.
Yeah, I think it has too.
Seeing him and President Trump on the same dais shaking hands was an historic moment.
It sure was.
It was.
As a young man, I got to see and be around Jack Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy.
These were Democrats.
These were traditional liberal Democrats.
Now, Kennedy would have certainly been considered today a more conservative Republican.
He In terms of his views, but he was concerned about the disadvantaged, but he was not a communist.
Today's Democrats are a communist party, and I think they're rapidly becoming a treasonous party.
Right.
I would say that I'm a pretty conservative Republican.
I'm known for being a conservative Republican, but I do have some very liberal edges to me.
You want to heal people, and that should be at a fundamental core of Republican values.
It should be.
The other thing is, historically, the Republican Party has supported the equal rights for Black people.
What you mentioned on your mentor and medicine...
Was traditional liberalism, which is equal rights.
Martin Luther King was a Republican.
People don't know that.
He was a Republican.
What he was against was that the discrimination laws prevented people of color from having equal opportunity.
And he would say, you know, you give us equal opportunity, we'll show you what we can do.
He didn't want privilege.
He didn't want redistribution of income.
He didn't want all these communist ideas, which are making it equal in fact.
I mean, he knew that if the minorities didn't raise families, if they didn't believe in God, if they didn't educate their children, equal opportunity wasn't going to get them there.
But he wasn't asking to be gotten there without going through paying the price.
And that's traditional Republican.
Give me the opportunity and I'll show you what I can do.
And I deserve an opportunity as much as anyone else deserves an opportunity.
Not disadvantaged because I'm old or I'm the wrong color or I'm the wrong sex or I'm the wrong whatever.
If you want to say you try to do something, you've got to write in America to go prove you can do it.
Right.
And when I was a state senator, we were in the minority.
So the Democrats were in control, not the Republicans.
And so while I was in the Senate, we were on the minority.
But I was approached by black business people in my district who were concerned about the city of Davenport not having open or competitive bidding for government contracts.
And so I was able to get, even though we were in the minority, I was able to get and spearhead a program to do what's called a disparity study, where they did a disparity to determine what are the barriers to disparity in government contracting for black business people.
The Democrats did not want to touch the issue because the black business people were considered to be anti-union.
And they were, if given between appeasing the union or appeasing black people, they would rather appease the union.
Right.
And so when I got this thing done, they had a press conference, there were about 150 black people there, and I got a standing ovation, which is quite amazing.
And yet, I think that we are the party that has been for classical...
I mean, Abraham Lincoln, who abolished slavery, was a Republican.
Yes, and had very classic Republican values, which is private enterprise, individual liberty, inalienable rights from God, the necessity for hard work, the necessity for achievement, not wanting to be given anything but to be able to have the opportunity to earn something.
Right.
And I think Bobby Kennedy's family, JFK and RFK, I think have a very strong history of promoting equality under the law and minorities.
Well, I got to hear both of them speak.
I got to be around them.
I was only 17 years old when Jack Kennedy was killed, so I was young.
But I internalize their values and still do, which I really think are more traditionally Republican values than they are Democratic, because the Democratic...
Especially starting with Lyndon Johnson's great society who wanted to make everything equal, you know, give out aid to families and dependent children.
Well, that just destroyed black families.
Pat Moynihan was right.
Yeah.
Made people dependent.
A government largesse.
Yeah.
You know, what had always been the strength of the black family, go back to the traditional studies I've had done, was the black church Black family, the black mother, the black father, and the need to establish moral values in a discriminatory society.
And the effort to get rid of the discrimination.
So they're fundamentally different.
People who didn't live through that era don't always understand the...
Today's Democrats have no relationship whatsoever Right.
What liberalism was about.
Right.
In this case, Donald Trump has reached out to the black community, and the black community has embraced Donald Trump.
And so has the Hispanic community, and so a lot of the other minorities.
Right.
And my view is that if I go work for Robert F. Kennedy, one of my major goals is to overcome The medical disparities that exist in the black community.
And I think that's very consistent with what Donald Trump wants and what Robert F. Kenney wants.
And very consistent with what I want as well.
Yes.
We're all on the same page that you're a human being, you deserve equal treatment.
Yes.
And so therefore, we have to look at the dignity of human life and the God-given nature of the human soul.
We have to see beyond the differences we have as human beings.
Yes.
That's classic.
Jack Kennedy was always a little suspicious of the Civil Rights Movement because he thought it It had extortionist elements to it.
He liked having been forced to do things.
But Bobby was the one who really introduced Martin Luther King into Jack's life and made Jack understand that the civil rights struggle had to Opposed these barriers.
Yeah.
Therefore, it took civil disobedience.
Martin Luther King was not about political violence.
Martin Luther King was about civil disobedience.
He was about refusing to comply with unjust laws.
Right.
A law that prohibited voting, that prohibited equal housing, equal education, etc.
He was opposed to those laws and would not abide by them because he considered them unjust.
Yes.
That's a legitimate moral position.
It's not, we're going to destroy the state, we're going to tear down the family, we're going to eliminate God, and do all these things that this critical race theory is all about, which has nothing to do with classical liberalism.
Right.
Right.
So you worked with Bobby Kennedy.
Did you ever join his campaign?
Did you ever participate in the campaign?
I really didn't.
No, I was a Trump supporter.
And so...
I might like Bobby, but I was committed to Donald Trump.
So you were happy when Donald Trump reached across the aisle and brought Bobby Kennedy?
Elated.
I think that is the best move that is best for the nation.
I was just so incredibly happy that that happened.
Okay, now we're going to wrap up the first segment right here, and we've got about 40 minutes or 45 minutes.
We're going to have a second segment, and now we're going to get into your objectives with regards to where medicine ought to be.
If you have an opportunity to play a role in Bobby Kennedy's administration of health services in the United States, what role you think you could play and what objectives you'd like to achieve.
So we're going to save that, and that's what we're going to do next.
Okay?
Yeah, let me think about that one a little bit, but yeah, this is a tough question.
Okay, so this is Dr. Jerome Corsi.
We've been interviewing here Dr. David Hardsuch.
And I think David's going to play a role in the incoming administration.
I'm certainly pulling for him to do so.
And I think this has been a very fascinating discussion so far to set the stage where I think it's going to be a very important discussion the next time, which is if we're serious about healing people, how do we go about it?
Thank you, Retornius, and thetruthcentral.com.
I always say, in the end, God always wins.
God's going to win here, too.
And I encourage people in 2 Chronicles 7.14 to get on our knees and ask God's forgiveness for letting all these millions of babies being killed under Roe v.
Wade, God taking out of our schools, going back into the 1940s, our lives, our houses, our marriages, our public squares.
We've got to restore God to His rightful place.
God, Jesus Christ is King, and we need to reestablish that in this land.
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