May 22, 2024 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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The Untold Stories of Ashli Babbitt and the Women of January 6th with Jack Cashill
The media's lies about Ashli Babbitt and those who attended the mostly peaceful protest of January 6th, 2021 have been as deliberately despicable as the government-fed narrative on several levels. On top of all of it was the demonization of military veteran Ashli Babbitt, who was murdered by a trigger-happy police officer on the day Americans merely gathered to question the integrity of an election which saw rules changes and vote-counting issues among other problems, expressing their right to assembly.Ms. Babbitt was one of many women who were at the gathering in front of the Capital Building on that day. Jack Cashill, who tells the story of these brave freedom-fighting women in his new book, ASHLI: The Untold Story of the Women of January 6, joins Dr. Jerome Corsi today's The Truth Central.Unlike the women who descended on Washington in 2017 to protest the inauguration of President Trump, the women of January 6 did not come as women. They came as Americans, as patriots, as defenders of the republic. They did not wear pink hats. They wore MAGA hats. Their issues were indistinguishable from those of the men in their lives—the rule of law, free and fair elections, and the preservation of constitutional rights. Cashill also digs into the media's and government's desperation (due to Md. Babbitt's murder) by creating a false martyr on their side, police officer Brian Sicknick, who died as the result of strokes suffered the day after the protest. The phony narrative claimed the events caused the strokes. Cashill rips apart the lies and political maneuvering. Jack serves as senior editor of Ingram’s magazine and writes regularly for American Thinker, American Spectator, and WorldNetDaily. He has a Ph.D. from Purdue University in American studies and a B.A. in English from Siena College.Jack Cashill's book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D47GF7YL?psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDpIf you like what we are doing, please support our Sponsors:Get RX Meds Now: https://www.getrxmedsnow.comMyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpGet Dr. Corsi's new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis: Forensic Analysis of the JFK Autopsy X-Rays Proves Two Headshots from the Right Front and One from the Rear, here: https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-President-John-Kennedy-Headshots/dp/B0CXLN1PX1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20W8UDU55IGJJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ymVX8y9V--_ztRoswluApKEN-WlqxoqrowcQP34CE3HdXRudvQJnTLmYKMMfv0gMYwaTTk_Ne3ssid8YroEAFg.e8i1TLonh9QRzDTIJSmDqJHrmMTVKBhCL7iTARroSzQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=jerome+r.+corsi+%2B+jfk&qid=1710126183&sprefix=%2Caps%2C275&sr=8-1Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comGet your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Our link to where to get the Marco Polo 650-Page Book on the Hunter Biden laptop & Biden family crimes free online:https://www.thetruthcentral.com/marco-polo-publishes-650-page-book-on-hunter-biden-laptop-biden-family-crimes-available-free-online/Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-truth-central-with-dr-jerome-corsi--5810661/support.
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Today we've got a special guest with us, Jack Cashel.
And Jack has written a new book called Ashley, The Untold Story of Women of January 6th.
Chris will show the title.
Jack and I have been friends and colleagues for many years, going back probably 20 years.
And Jack's an investigative journalist of the first rate.
I consider his work to be outstanding, and I've followed him very closely over the years.
And so, Jack, it's a real honor to have you back, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your new book.
Oh, it's a pleasure, Jerry.
Always a pleasure to visit New Jersey, even if just through cyberspace, you know.
United States.
United States, that's right.
Yeah, the book is odd, how it came to me.
I just woke up one morning in maybe September, and I just thought, Ashley!
Why hasn't anyone written a book about this?
And so I emailed Julie Kelly, who's done Yeoman's work on this project, as you know.
Right.
And I said, Julie, is anyone writing about this?
And she said, not that I know of.
Why don't you go ahead?
It's a good project, you know.
And then as I got into it, though, Jerry, I realized that instead of speculating as to what Ashley might have thought about what inspired her to go to Washington on January 6, etc., I decided to expand the portfolio to include 10 women, only eight of whom survived that day.
And to get a sense of why they went.
And you know, I started out with like, why in the world did these women go to Washington?
And at the end of the day, I concluded, why did the rest of us not go to Washington?
Right?
That's very interesting.
Yep.
And because I didn't start as a skeptic, but I came out, you know, any project you want to be, you know, you want to temper your expectations is what you're going to find.
And then in getting into the shooting death of Ashley Babbitt, I ended up exposing, as of yet, I think, undiscovered scandal that is, I think, the most disgraceful in recent DOJ history.
And that's going on, you know, that's a high standard.
It's overcome.
Right.
Well, what's so interesting about this book is, you know, you start out and you think it's going to be a feature story of Ashley and, you know, and these other women and who they are.
And then as you get into the book, Like much of your writing, Jack, it becomes a mystery, becomes an investigative story.
Right.
How do these pieces fit together?
You know, there's something wrong with this picture I'm looking at.
And then you dig deeper into it.
So the book is really an investigation into a mystery that the country does not yet understand.
That's, I think, what makes the book so important.
Right.
And a lot of people on our side, Jerry, don't even know.
I mean, I was on a radio show last week, and I just mentioned this book upcoming.
And I mentioned Roseanne Boylan.
This guy's a daily radio host.
He had no idea what he was talking about, right?
She was the second woman killed on January 6th.
And, you know, there's a book waiting to be written called Roseanne.
Because of how clouded and mysterious her death became.
Let's start out with Ashley and why don't you tell a story of who she is and how she got to Washington on January 6th.
What motivated her?
Give us a little background on Ashley herself.
Sure.
She grew up in a military family in the San Diego area and always wanted to be in the military.
When especially when September 11th happened, I believe she was 16 at the time, she, you know, really just signed up then and then spent the next 14 years of her life in the Air Force in a variety of roles, virtually all of which had to do with policing of some form or another.
She was deployed to every, you know, shithole country in the Middle East multiple times.
I was a true patriot, a warrior, Just the spirited, she is exactly what feminists say they want to be, but don't have the courage to be, right?
She was a leader, you know, when the FBI tried to do a hit job on her after she died, all they came back with people saying, this woman was a patriot, she was a leader.
So what happens in the build up to January 6, it happened to millions of Americans, anyone who's paying attention, knew that the election was not the free and fair election.
They were gaslighting us into thinking it was I mean, we knew it was anything but you and we don't have to go into all the details here.
But anyone who's listening to the show and thinks that that election was on the up and up is doesn't really needs to watch the show more often.
Right, right.
The so actually lived in San Diego.
And she had the inspiration to say, I've got to go to Washington.
I've got to be there.
It's odd.
Just about all the other women had the same last minute epiphany.
I've got to be there.
This is our last chance to stand up and at least speak out against what we see to be a massive injustice.
And that was the basically the rigging of the 2020 election.
Curiously, nine of the 10 women, and I talked to, I was able to make contact, I was very fortunate in this, with all eight surviving women, as well as Ashley's mom, who was very helpful, Mickey Wedhoft.
The only people I couldn't get to were the Boylan family, and that's a story for another day.
But all nine of those women that I reached out to, what they had in common, which surprised me,
is that there were aggressive dissidents on the COVID front, Ashley included.
For several of them, it's what made them political.
They were activated by the lockdowns and by the mask wearing.
Ashley was among the foremost of those kind of COVID dissidents.
So in that she lived in San Diego, she had to fly to Washington.
It's just a little too far to drive.
But the nine other women drove.
One of them drove from Boise, Idaho.
One of them, a great grandmother, drove by herself from Colorado Springs.
This is in the winter, you know.
They were determined to get there.
Georgia, Tennessee, they were all driving because they didn't want to subject themselves to the petty restrictions that the airlines were imposing on people.
So, Ashley gets there on January 6th.
She goes to the Trump rally on the Ellipse.
You know, a major part of that day's events This has not been discussed.
I don't even know why the Trump people don't bring this up.
But Trump started an hour late on January 6th.
His speech was scheduled for 11.
He didn't start till 12.
If he had started at 11, the people who were listening to the speech would have arrived at the Capitol just at the moment everything was falling into place, 1 p.m.
Instead, they got there an hour later.
So, you know, Trump was alleged to have started this riot by his speech, but the people who went to the speech didn't get there until essentially all the damage had been done.
Virtually all the damage had been done.
They arrived and saying, what's going on here?
They didn't know.
Well, Ashley gets there about two o'clock, a little after two, at the Capitol.
She walked, she was by herself.
Her husband Aaron had to stay behind to run the pool supply business in San Diego.
And she enters through a broken window.
She's walking around the Capitol.
She honors the rope lines.
She goes up to the front of the floor, the house floor.
The doors are closed.
There's a big crowd in front of the house floor.
She doesn't like to be in a crowd.
She doesn't follow a crowd.
She's a leader.
Everyone who knew her said that.
So she went off on her own, starts walking down a corridor, and comes to the doors separating That lead to the foyer of the house floor, an area like a reception area before you get onto the house floor.
She's the first one there.
With her, a guy just followed along as a independent videographer called Taylor Hanson.
And when she gets there, there's three police protecting this door.
The door is barricaded from behind.
And Ashley starts joking with them and talking to them.
She's a cop.
They're cops.
She identifies with them.
And Hanson offers them some water.
And then a crowd begins to gather behind Ashley in this crowded hallway.
And Ashley's like 5'2", 110 pounds.
These crowds are really threatening to the women.
Several of them got caught in crowds and couldn't get out of them.
They just went where the crowd went.
They had no control.
And then she's, you know, the police are standing there doing nothing.
And then one guy, his name is Zachary Alam, starts punching one of the windows between where the cops are standing with their face to the crowd.
And Ashley starts yelling at the cops, do your job, do your effing job, call for backup.
This is crazy, right?
She's been there.
She was a member of the National, the Capitol Guardians, the National Guard Troop that should have been there right then.
It wasn't for a variety of reasons.
And then, so she's yelling at this, and then a lamb backs off.
He turns around.
And for a moment, there's a pause.
The police are still standing there.
The crowd's under control.
And then the cops just walk away.
They leave the doors unguarded.
They're not under threat at that moment.
A lamb had stopped panging on the door.
They're just standing there.
They walk away.
At that time, sort of all hell breaks loose.
A lamb grabs a helmet from another protester and starts breaking the windows now, before he just was like splintering them.
And he breaks out one of the panels.
At this point, the crowd now is surging against the doors.
Ashley is getting concerned because she's, you know, small.
I mean, this is a big crowd of big men.
And then she starts yelling at them to stop, you know, and basically she's her police training kicks in.
And then she, when a lamb is slamming the window, breaks the window out, she grabs his backpack.
This is all captured on video.
There's no mystery here.
They knew this from the beginning.
She wasn't leading an insurrection.
She was trying to stop a riot.
She grabs a lamb's backpack, pulls him around.
And he's a, she's a southpaw.
And she slugs him in the face and knocks his glasses off and yells at him to stop this nonsense.
And then we hear, and some people see, a gun parallel to the doors on the opposite far side of the doors sticking out.
And these people start yelling, there's a gun!
It's a gun!
It's a gun!
At this moment, Ashley, not knowing where the gun is, And needing to escape this mad crush.
It's like at a soccer game or something in Europe where people die just from being caught in a scrum.
She hops up into the window frame.
Bam!
Michael Byrd shoots and kills her immediately.
No warning.
He didn't even know he was shooting a female.
She was unarmed, of course.
It's really horrific how she was killed.
I mean, it's like, it's just no reason whatsoever.
She was trying to stop this riot.
She wasn't instigating it.
She didn't break the window.
And I mean, you think it sounds clearly like they intended to shoot her.
Well, yes and no, Jerry, because I think there's... That's what I'm asking.
Were they intending to shoot her?
That's the real question.
No.
I think Michael Burge, yeah, was intending to shoot her and shot her, yes.
Because he was an idiot, and he got scared, and he panicked, and he didn't know what the hell he was doing, and he was in way over his head.
He was pure DEI, you know, well-connected, Capitol Police.
He's since been promoted, by the way.
And if that had happened in Minneapolis, when they were breaking into the police station there, the officer who shot and killed the Ashley of Minneapolis would be in prison for the rest of his life.
As it was, Michael Byrd was absolved by the DOJ, the FBI, Capitol Police, everyone.
And promoted, and promoted.
And promoted, right.
So what we know she was not doing was leading an insurrection.
She was probably either fearful of the gun being on her side, or just fearful of being crushed, and just saw an opportunity to get the hell out of there.
There were some bad people in there.
Alam, by the way, had a criminal record, but no known ties to Trump or MAGA in his social media posts.
Jake Sullivan, who was there videoing this, black BLM supporter, So at that point, Byrd shoots her.
you know, trying to instigate riot during, Bird is building down, all that stuff, and the moments
leading up to it. So there are people in there on her side of the wall, who knew she knew were not
Trump people. So at that point, Bird shoots her. But here's the part that's really kind of
interesting, Jerry, is that Bird wasn't part of the plan.
What Bird did then, screwed the plan, right?
This is not what, let's just say the conspirators in general, and there's more than one, and they're working sometimes even across purposes.
The people who wanted this riot to happen, this was not part of their plan.
Immediately after this happens, outside on the West Front where this is all going on, you see a puff of smoke go up, and bizarrely, and then you see raps with four people in front of them, four people behind them, make a beeline out of the protest, right?
Something happened here that they weren't expecting.
And, and, but before the day was through, by I should say before the next day was through, they had a counter plan.
So what they could not deny was that they had just created a martyr.
And what, how perfect a martyr was Ashley Babbitt, this attractive, petite, 14 year Air Force veteran, right, with a husband and a mother back in California, who's obviously innocent, unarmed, and you just shot and killed her.
So that's when The improvised part of this plan kicked in, and this is, I think, the most disgraceful part of the whole J6 cover-up.
What happens next?
And my inside information on this comes from one of the women I followed.
I tracked, as you saw, 10 women who went to Washington, why they went, what they did when they got there, what happened to them while they were there, what happened to them after they left.
So it's a real human interest story.
But one of the women I talked to, and like I said, they all cooperated other than Roseanne Boylan's family.
Was a New York PD retired, medically retired police officer named Sarah Carpenter.
Sarah, you know, was like one of those people who just decided the night before to go, you know, to the, these insurrectionists who think, well, the night before, let's just go to Washington, right?
Spontaneous.
I mean, virtually every one of them had this epiphany.
I really need to see this.
I really need to be there.
I really need to have my voice heard one last time.
And so Sarah drives down, gets there early in the morning, sleeps in her car in a parking lot, gets up, goes to the rally, etc.
And has roughly the same experience as everyone else.
She got maced several times, but that was not unusual for the people who were there.
I mean, gratuitously maced, just for being inside the Capitol.
And so she's driving home.
Back to New York City.
She's going up 95 through Maryland, and she thinks to herself, well, I have a good friend who lives in Maryland.
Maybe I'll give her a call, and I'll stop by and visit, you know, on the way back.
She calls her friend, and her friend says, oh, what's up?
I saw him come back from the Capitol.
And the woman just shrieks, like a rabid dog is the way Sarah describes her.
Says, you killed a man, she says.
You killed one of the police officers with a fire extinguisher.
By you, she means you, the- Right, the crowd.
And Sarah's really freaked out.
I mean, she was unnerved by this diary.
And she went into detail.
You killed a police officer with a fire extinguisher, right?
So Sarah is so unnerved.
by this that she can't even get out of bed the next morning.
So I mean, her memory of this is crystal clear as well as the information she got. The woman
she was talking to was the wife of a retired Capitol Police officer. He obviously had inside
information. So on the night of January 6, the information was being spread that a Capitol Police
officer had been killed by a rioter during the the siege on January 6. Then the conspirators
get lucky.
And I use that word with all the irony I could drench out of it.
On January 7th, Officer Brian Sicknick dies of a series of strokes, utterly and totally unrelated to the events of January 6th.
Right?
So now they have a dead Capitol Police officer, and they have a story they've already spread.
And they put the two together.
On January 8th, the New York Times print edition, which hasn't been revised, and Glenn Greenwald has a screenshot of it.
So, you know, we know what they said.
They run with this lead article.
a Capitol police officer killed, I mean, rioters killed Capitol police officers
with fire extinguisher. And then they add like detail.
Brian Sicknick was rushed out of the Capitol with a big gash and blood rushing from his head.
And he died shortly afterwards at the, you know, whatever, a hospital, right? This is all in black
and white. And none of it happened.
I mean, there was no gushing blood coming out of Sicknick's head.
No, we know that Sicknick was, we have video of him walking around at the end of the day, you know, just like everyone else, you know, doing his job, no big deal.
We know from the very much delayed, illegally delayed autopsy report, that his stroke was organic, that it could have occurred on January 5th.
You know, it's unfortunate.
And Sicknick was a Trump supporter.
I don't mean to give Sicknick a hard time here.
And a military veteran.
I mean, but they blasphemed his memory by making him into something he was not.
Nothing that happened on January 6th caused the death.
But then someone consciously, Jerry, inside the White House probably, said, let's take Sicknick's death, tie it to the rumored A fire extinguisher death from January 6th, tie him together and make him that victim.
And then tell the New York Times this is what happened, right?
And then to, and this is all done to, I think, to offset the death of Ashley Babbitt.
And to make it further, to ingrain this in the public's memory, just in case they might forget, let's have a memorial in the rotunda of the Capitol, right?
The last person they did that for, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, right?
This is not something you do casually.
And then everyone comes to visit, everyone has to make their things.
And then all of a sudden it came, it turned from like a panty raid that got out of control to a lethal insurrection.
And that was a defining imprint that was driven into the minds of the American people, even people on our side.
For months, it would be more than 100 days before Judicial Watch finally forced the actual autopsy report out of the medical examiner's office in Washington.
And for those 100 days, it was the lethal insurrection with the killer rioters storming the Capitol.
Well, that meme has not yet gone away.
I mean, you still hear it.
I mean, it's still tagged as this was a, you know, lethal mob.
And, you know, that Sicknick died of natural causes and was linked to this, just shows the extent to which, you know, the government will go to To prop up a failing narrative.
People should have come to say, OK, if the government's talking about anything, now they're lying.
I mean, this is what's happening in general.
But I think this whole concept that you can take somebody, Sicknick, who was shown to be very much alive.
At the end, there's video of him.
He's, you know, doing his duties at the Capitol, and the next day he's dead, not at the Capitol, not in the riot, you know, this whole January 6th is over, and yet they successfully link it together and put it in the New York Times, makes it an official fact, and this holding in the Rotunda, I mean, right, I mean, Ted Kennedy was in the rotunda.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was in the rotunda after she died.
I mean, it goes back to Jack Kennedy being in the rotunda after he was assassinated.
And so, this is an honored position, and they're elevating this sickness into being a martyr for law enforcement and turning the protesters into a murderous mob.
Right.
And that was what backed everyone off.
I mean, even people who were supportive of the, you know, who were publicly supportive of the writers before the death thing came out, had to back off.
We can't, you know, we can't support our killers.
We can't support our lethal mob.
And then to make matters worse, Jerry, as you know, in the next 100 days, for who knows what reason, because the media didn't want to investigate the reasons, Four Capitol Police officers would commit suicide.
Let's talk about that.
That's extremely interesting.
Give us some detail on that, Jack.
What happened?
You know, and it's a good question because there's not been much investigation.
Each case into which anything is known, it was a person was depressed or whatever.
A couple of them, the suicides took place within a few days of the event.
But the four that were lumped together, the last one took place about 100 days after January 6th.
It's unusual.
I mean, I'm the son of a police officer who committed suicide, so I'm not insensitive to the phenomenon.
But there's nothing that happened on January 6th that would cause them to commit suicide, unless they were embarrassed by their own performance or something, right?
Because the police, and you know, when you and I have watched enough video to know that the police, that the pressure the police faced on January 6th wasn't half as bad as it was by the Minneapolis police officers or the Washington police officers and the Uh, on the, their George Floyd riots or even, you know, in a bad day and Gaza protesters.
Um, there are very few serious injuries, if any.
Uh, they've milked this, you know, to the end of the earth.
But what's worse now is that from the, uh, Merrick Garland on down, they talk about the five officers who were killed on January 6th.
Right.
They lumped them all together.
Yeah.
And several defendants in trial.
Complain they heard the judges do that, right?
Well, it becomes part of part of the narrative I mean they repeat it so often and it just becomes woven into the story as if it were true and no one bothers to ask detailed questions or to question it and again, what's interesting is you have here a January 6 clearly there were instigators in the crowd, right?
There are people trying to make this into a A riot that was destructive.
I mean, okay, so let's go back.
We're talking about the Minneapolis and talking about Washington.
These are mobs that are trying to actually take over a police station, occupy it, or burn it down.
Right.
And in Minneapolis, they succeeded.
They totaled the police department and chased the officers down the street.
And that's all okay.
I mean, that was not... I don't think anyone was indicted on that incident at all.
I think that was completely just forgiven.
Because here you got...
You know, when you look at the comparative, sometimes people got arrested doing something flagrant.
For instance, in New York, this one young attorney, female, got caught firebombing a police car, right?
Throwing a Molotov cocktail into a police car and destroying it.
She got 15 months in prison.
By January 6th standards, that's a slap on the wrist, you know.
Right, and it's rare too, because a lot of the, I mean certainly, let's go back to the 2020 run-up to the election.
You've got George Floyd, and you've got Antifa, and Black Lives Matter.
Antifa is destroying Portland, Oregon.
Every night they're rioting in Portland, Oregon.
They're trying to take over a federal building.
Right.
And you've got police stations being attacked.
You've got cities being in chaos.
How many people get arrested, you know, and even when they get arrested, how many get charged or how many don't get released right away?
Yeah, that's a good question.
In the book, I go through the numbers and you are looking at in certain cities, many cities, 95% of the people walked away without even a ticket.
So in San Francisco is 100%.
I mean, even for things like looting and arson, right?
An interesting comparison is the Kavanaugh protest of 2018, where you had, I think, about 300 people arrested for obstructing an official proceeding, namely the nomination and election of a confirmation of the Supreme Court judge.
Mike Pence, again in the hot seat, had to interrupt, stop the proceeding several times to clear protesters.
And you know what their punishment was?
What was it?
$30 to $50 ticket.
And they used the word obstruction, right?
For obstructing an official proceeding.
$30 to $50 ticket.
Meanwhile, the average penalty for that obstruction charge.
Which, by the way, they threw on Brent Bozell's son.
I don't know if you followed that on the news.
Right.
Four years.
You know, that's standard, four years.
The Supreme Court may throw that out soon, but in the meantime, those people are in prison.
Yeah, I mean, it's the double standard here.
They're protesting on behalf of the neo-Marxist left.
I mean, if you watch any of the video, you know, I used to live in Portland, Oregon.
I know Portland, Oregon.
And they just destroyed this beautiful city.
Yeah.
They tore down statues that were magnificent and they burned it.
Go to these cities today and they're mainly like ghost towns because the businesses have closed.
Right.
And they haven't stopped.
It's a shame.
But Portland had no organic problem either.
You know, it was a pretty pleasant middle-class town, right?
Yeah, I mean, except that the population had become increasingly leftist.
That's right.
The fact is that, you know, the George Floyd incident really had no basis in Portland to be a big issue.
Right.
It's a very small black population.
It's not, you know, organically angry, you know, at the death.
It was all manufactured.
And it was manufactured for a purpose.
And that was to basically, they controlled those riots all summer to intimidate the business interest into supporting whatever outcome the election came in.
Oh, I'm supporting the Biden, the obviously that would be declared Biden victory.
That's a long story for another day.
But I get into that in the book in some detail.
You do get into it.
And also, I mean, what you make clear in the book is that For many of these protesters who were in the Capitol, the real troubles start with the knock on the door from the FBI.
Yeah.
And so then they're now being called forward for some pretty serious charges, and in fact they are seriously incarcerated without trial.
Right, Jack?
Yeah, I mean, eight of the women, I follow eight living women, eight women who survived.
And I've talked to all of them, communicated with all of them, sometimes through prison letters and that sort of thing.
But of the eight, the worst that any one of them did was break a window.
Virtually all of them walked through an open door.
And yet of the eight, six have already been imprisoned and two are awaiting sentencing.
And these are not light sentences.
These are pretty serious sentences.
Yeah, I mean, the one woman, for instance, a mother of eight children was sentenced to five years in prison.
She was the one who broke the window.
And what they would do is sometimes they'd just sentence them, they'd put them in prison pre-sent, pre-trial, right?
Right.
And, or you take the case of Dr. Simone Gold, who's both a COVID dissident, a leading COVID dissident, and a Jew who happened to be a January 6th.
She was giving a talk on the steps of the Capitol, got caught in a scrum, surged into the building.
Next thing you know, she's spending 60 days in maximum security women's prison in Miami, Florida.
It's outrageous.
I would say, Jerry, in general, though, the men got harsher sentences than the women.
But the women seemed to catch more physical hell on the ground than the men did.
I mean, they killed two of them, Ashley Babbitt and Roseanne Boylan.
And Roseanne Boylan, that takes a lot of explanation.
Tell us the story, too.
I think it's important people understand what happened.
Yeah, Roseanne is an outlier in some ways in that she had been, unlike these other women who were politically cognizant and aware for some time, Roseanne was a sort of a recent convert to Trump MAGA.
She had a troubled life.
She comes from a good family.
She had run into drug problems long ago and was on probation for 10 years.
Her, she voted in the 2020 election for the first time.
Her father, whose sides with her was, you know, you never saw her so happy that she could vote.
But her, you know, radicalization was relatively recent.
So her family, who are otherwise liberal, her sisters, brother-in-law, etc.
Where, you know, thought that she'd just been a captor of QAnon or something.
But she had been going straight.
I mean, she'd given up drugs and she was turned her life around.
She had new friends.
You know, they were, you know, having a good time, making fun of liberals and stuff.
And she goes up to Washington on January 6th with a friend of hers, a guy named Justin Winchell.
You know, they go to the rally like everyone else, which means they don't come back to the Capitol, which is, it's about, it's an hour and 15 minute speech that Trump gives an hour late to get started.
It's about a 45 minute walk to the Capitol from the Ellipse.
They don't get there until the actions, you know, just about, you know, everything's broken into, it's going to be broken into.
But they go in, she gets caught in a scrum in front of this tunnel where all the actions took place.
Then the police, she gets sort of pushed into the tunnel with everyone else.
The police then start spraying people to the point where they're almost unconscious with OC gas or pepper spray or whatever.
And then they surge out and they push all these people down the steps.
And Roseanne gets caught at the bottom of the pile.
And she is suffocated, either to the point of death or very nearly so.
And now here's where it gets really disgraceful.
Once they pull her out of the pile, a policewoman, black policewoman, who's at the front of the line, that's pure DEI, putting like a hundred pound policewoman at the front of a police line, grabs a stick and starts beating the dead or dying Ashley over, I'm sorry, Roseanne over the head, multiple times.
This is captured on video.
There's no mystery about this, right?
This woman, her name is Lila Morris.
She's rewarded with a trip to the Super Bowl next month.
And Roseanne is dead.
She's left there to die.
And then the protesters try to revive her.
You know, when the police are just standing there and they do CPR.
And the guys who try to revive her are now all in prison, by the way.
And then finally, they bring her back to the police line and say, we can't help her.
You got to do something more serious.
And then one cop just starts dragging her by one foot through the tunnel before the protesters jump in and pick her up.
And what's really disgraceful here, though, Jerry is, I keep using the word disgraceful, sorry, but when I think about it, it's not, there's no better word, is what happens to her after her death.
What's curious is that MSNBC did a very useful five-part podcast on Roseanne's death.
The reason they did so is because Roseanne's liberal brother-in-law went to high school with an MSNBC anchor named Eamon Moyadine.
And so they were going to investigate.
Moyadine wanted to track Roseanne's QAnon fanaticism, because she was sure that was the family was sure that's what happened to her.
She fell in with QAnon, whatever that was.
And as they get into it, though, as the family gets into it, they're being stonewalled at every turn by the Justice Department, who refuse to tell them the truth.
And as they did with Sicknick, they sit on the autopsy report as long as possible.
Everyone knew what happened to her.
I mean, there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.
I mean, even in the early days, the New York Times reported what happened to her.
And then they come out, finally, after extending the period to its legal limit, the medical examiner's office comes out and says she died of amphetamine poisoning, right?
They don't mention the circumstances surrounding her.
They try to blame it on drugs.
On drugs.
Well, she had ADHD and she was taking Adderall or whatever you take.
She'd been taking it for 10 years.
Her family, which had been very supportive of MSNBC and the Justice Department to this point, are horrified because Roseanne had kicked drugs.
The last thing she wanted to do was to be accused of being a drug addict.
But they decided they'd make her a drug addict.
She died as a result of a police action.
You know, I'm not going to be too judgmental here as to how justifiable that was.
What Lila Morris did, beating her over the head, was something you get arrested for, the cop gets arrested for.
But so at the end of the day, she's just an amphetamine drug user.
So Ashley Babbitt is, you know, deserves it because an insurrectionist and Roseanne Boylan is a drug user.
There is no—Roseanne Boylan does not get mentioned in the House Committee Report.
Ashley Babbitt gets mentioned only as an aside.
Michael Byrd doesn't get mentioned.
And they walk away from it.
There is no investigation at all into Roseanne Boylan's death.
No DOJ, no FBI, no Capitol Police.
There's a crime scene there.
There's a woman who was killed.
And they walk away with it.
Roseanne's family, the Boylan family, got so disgusted they severed their ties with MSNBC, who's still trying to chase the QAnon down some rabbit hole, right?
But even the MSNBC guy, Moya Dean, realized he was shocked by what was happening.
He was getting stonewalled at every turn by people he thought were supposed to cooperate with MSNBC, right?
And they weren't.
Well, again, you've got the situation where, you know, just like these Antifa and Black Lives Matter trying to destroy police stations are let go.
So, Roseanne's death is not going to be investigated because it may have been, again, caused by police action.
And so, therefore, it's inconvenient politically to explore it.
They don't.
But at the same time, the protesters associated with her death Yeah.
I mean, right.
The one guy, Jake Lang, who I've been communicating with, still hasn't gone to trial.
He's been in prison for the last three and a half years.
Without a trial.
Yeah, trial, yeah.
Well, you know, the whole standard of you should have a speedy trial has just been, again, law-fared and denied to these people because, again, the government does not really want to bring them to trial.
It's certainly not going to be brought to a fair trial.
And they're presumed guilty, so they're just languishing in jail without any due process.
And the Department of Justice is doing that.
You know, an open defiance of all of the constitutional requirements of how the justice system is supposed to operate.
And one of those constitutional requirements is an impartial jury.
That's in the Constitution, that phrase.
And yet, no changes of venue are allowed.
And these people are being tried before a city that gave Trump 5% of its vote.
Right.
Literally, 5%.
That was better than 2016.
They only gave him 4%.
Well, you're not going to get a fair trial in Washington, D.C.
because almost any jury you pick is going to hate Trump.
Right.
And so, therefore, the case is not going to be tried on its merits.
It's going to be tried on the fact that you are somehow or other affiliated with Trump and the jury hates you.
Yeah, oh, they hate him in advance.
I think part of the problem, Jerry, was that people like Michael Byrd and others believed that this mob was going to kill them, right?
AOC actually told the reporter that she thought the mob was going to rape her, right?
How's that for narcissism?
This mob was not a raping mob.
They were not there to do physical damage to a woman.
They were there to protest an election.
Right.
And you see the video inside the Capitol.
I don't think there was any vandalism.
I mean, windows were broken.
I know that.
Except for windows broken and some door damage.
I mean, there's nothing.
There was a lot that could have been vandalized inside the Capitol.
I've been in the Capitol many, many times and it's like a little museum.
There's many paintings and tiles and all kinds of valuable artwork and furniture that could have been destroyed, but it wasn't.
And this whole Ray Epps saga continues to really disturb me.
And what did you finally make of Ray Epps' role in this whole sordid event?
Well, you know, there are, it's a good question.
It's really the ultimate question in many ways.
I, and you've been around long enough to understand why I titled my final chapter, John Doe number three.
Yes.
Yes.
Because there are three things that they give away the game.
And that is, one is Ray Epps, the ridiculous non sentencing of him.
The other is the Capitol pipe bombs, right?
And the third is the presence of Kamala Harris at the DNC.
Right.
Which they've had to conceal.
And when you look at it all together, Then you begin to see where the plans went awry.
I don't think there was a person pulling the strings for this, Jerry.
I think there were multiple people with the same interest, and that is provoking this crowd into some kind of riot to disgrace Trump and bury the MAGA movement forever.
Some people did not have to be told to coordinate them.
But what I don't get is why even Trump hasn't brought this point up.
You know, the day before, he puts out on Facebook announcement, it was only the day before that he said he was going to speak at the Ellipse.
Right.
And he says, I'll be speaking at 11am.
Right.
Well, for whatever reason, he doesn't speak until 12am, 12pm, I mean, noon.
And he speaks for an hour and 15 minutes.
And it's a 45 minute walk to the to the Capitol.
In the meantime, though, you know, we have video of Ray Epps leading his own little private army down Pennsylvania Avenue at about 1230.
Right.
They're not at these.
They didn't go to the speech.
They weren't agitated by Trump's speech.
They didn't go.
They didn't hear.
They had their own plans.
And they get to the Capitol just before one o'clock.
And it's at one o'clock when everything starts happening.
One o'clock is the witching hour.
If we can figure out exactly what happened there, we've got this whole story broken.
And because at one o'clock, is Ray Epps whispers into the ear of this one felon, multiple arrestee named Ryan Samsel, and they start pushing on the first barrier.
And one o'clock is when the just around one o'clock is when the first bomb is founded, found near the RNC building.
They alert the DNC and they find the bomb there a couple minutes after one o'clock, right.
And so The explanation they give for the bombs is that they were a diversion, so the Capitol Police would be at lesser strength.
And that actually happened.
But the planners aren't fully in sync here.
They're not all working on the same playbook.
Because they didn't know, as far as I could tell.
Based on behavior afterwards, that Kamala Harris was at the DNC.
Right.
The Secret Service was at the DNC, which meant that they had done a sweep of the building with bomb sniffing dogs, you know, an hour before noon, an hour before one o'clock.
And then here's the giveaway.
And there's a lot of pieces here, Jerry, and it's gonna be hard to put them together in just five minutes, but The giveaway is that Kamala Harris, who's a gift for self-dramatization, would have been telling the world for the last three and a half years that she was just inches away from being blown to bits by this bomb that was planted at the DNC.
Right?
That's right.
And yet for a year, neither she nor Biden even mentioned that she was at the DNC.
Right.
And it was only when the media finally reported it that they even talked about it.
They buried that whole story for a year.
The bombs, I titled the chapter John Doe number three, because as you know, after Oklahoma City bombing, the At least 30 eyewitnesses told the FBI that they had seen Timothy McVeigh with another man at Oklahoma City, a short story.
And they put out a nationwide manhunt, the FBI did, with drawings and illustrations for John Doe number two, right?
At some point, the FBI must have gotten the word that this is not a person we want to find.
Right.
Either for one of two reasons, either he was a Muslim activist, which would take away from the right wing conspirator trope, or that he was a confidential human FBI source.
Right.
Second opinion, second possibility, based on what happened with the Whitmer trial, etc, is probably the more likely.
And I think the same thing is true here.
They realized that John Doe number three, my John Doe number three, the person who planted the bombs, such as they were, was a person they could not afford to catch.
Right.
Again, if Trump's speech had been timed correctly, Epps would have had a large group following him to the Capitol.
He would have had multiple thousands of people there.
And then they would have gotten up there that could have caused very severe damage.
So you have here instigators, and you have people who are planting bombs, which has got to be suspected.
In order to create the illusion that this is the mob's action.
In other words, these are false flags.
These are attempts to create a lie that is presented as the truth.
It's like living inside a Jim Carrey Truman show.
Right.
Because all you're watching is the script that the CIA or some nefarious actors have written for how they're going to infiltrate this protest, radicalize it, cause damage, and blame it on the protesters.
Right.
And this is the story that, you know, this was a setup from the beginning.
And it is the Timothy McVeigh is another good story in the same kind of vein in terms of what the government's role in blowing up that building in Oklahoma City was.
And what was the intent of that?
Why was it done?
Was it done to radicalize the nation?
This was clearly done in order to try to destroy the MAGA movement, try to portray Trump and the MAGA supporters as a group of insurrectionists.
Not protesters, but insurrectionists, that they wanted to essentially overturn the government.
They were up there in the Capitol to have a coup d'etat, which is not the case at all.
No, and it's, you know, there were some bad actors among the Trump people, there's no doubt about that.
But left to their own devices, I doubt if anything worse would have happened than just a noisy protest.
What really triggered the crowd Was that at just about right after the breach, the breach was at 1253, the first police lines and police women manning bicycle racks, right?
Right.
The incompetence, you know, they counted on the Capitol Police's incompetence here, right?
And the Capitol Police lived up to their expectations.
Well, the Capitol Police is not exactly a highly trained police force for these kinds of events.
No, they usually just escort people around.
It's mostly ceremonial.
I mean, they're rarely, you know, people are getting into the Capitol in normal business and not particularly unruly.
And the Capitol Police are just there to kind of be a presence.
Right, so they breached the bicycle racks at 1253.
And now at one o'clock, there's maybe 1000 max protesters milling about in front of the west wing, west side of the Capitol.
And then the less lethal crowd squad, they call out the Capitol Police, and they started lobbing, you know, tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd from above, right.
And there's If you want to disperse a crowd with tear gas, you shoot in front of them and they run back, right?
Right, right.
If you shoot into the middle of them, you just make them angry.
And this comes out in all the various footage.
One guy gets hit in the face with a rubber bullet, right?
Sticks right out of his face.
The one guy, one first guy dies named Benjamin Phillips, who dies of a heart attack or suffers a heart attack just before this starts.
So his is not a his death cannot be laid on Capitol Police.
The second guy, though, Kevin Greeson, has a like a what do you call one of those little bomb things blow up right in his face.
And he falls over dead of or dying of a stroke or heart attack.
What's the word?
A flashbang, you know?
Right.
It just explodes right in front of them.
Right.
Now whether that triggered his, you know, heart attack, I don't know, but it certainly didn't help.
So there were four people died that day.
They were all protesting.
None of them was a Capitol Police officer.
And three of them are suspect.
Two of them very suspect.
Two of them undoubtedly suspect.
Well, you know, the interesting thing, too, that the theme that you run through the book is this, the Jacobins and the French Revolution, and as to how they were really godless, determined to take over society.
They did not have, you know, they were not beyond using terror.
To radicalize France.
I mean, France went through a miserable period of time.
Right.
Of complete chaos.
And the insurrectionists are really the Antifa and the George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, because they're the ones who want to destroy the current structure of American constitutionalism.
They want to essentially lead us into a Marxist or neo-Marxist state.
Or some kind of a New World Order state with the World Economic Forum waiting in the sideline to get rid of the woke once their usefulness has expired.
If they destroy the current society and make chaos and anarchy, they'll serve the purposes of the World Economic Forum to get one world government.
And so we're in the middle here, and I think the power of your book, Jack, is that you Make it clear how this was another architected event, badly managed by the government, really pretty chaotic, but was intended to portray the Trump MAGA crowd as insurrectionists, and so far they've succeeded in imprisoning people on that theme, whereas those who have done equal or worse deeds
You know, in the name of anti-far, Black Lives Matter and any of these other revolutionary groups are excused.
That's right.
And you know, I would consider this and here's the question of whether it will have succeeded is 2024.
Right.
I consider this and I'm not overstating this because I'm a student of history.
They're the single greatest mass injustice against American citizens since Japanese internment.
And you can make an argument for Japanese internment.
You can't make an argument for what they've done to these 1350 people that they've arrested.
And by telling it through the human interest stories of women, particularly, you know, mothers of eight, mothers of four, I mean, who get just Dragged out of their house in the middle of like a 6am and shackled and taken away.
I mean, this is nuts.
For what?
Walking around the Capitol?
Taking pictures?
Praying.
Praying, right?
And that's what I would encourage.
Republican lawmakers, and Donald Trump in particular, run with January 6th.
Make it your issue, right?
It's a very powerful issue.
And your book is a powerful book.
I mean, it appears like a human interest story, but the deeper you get into it, the more outraged you become reading it.
Yeah.
And you begin to see the manipulation, the injustice of it.
You begin to see the press going along with it.
And no one's done anything.
We can't stop it.
I mean, we should be able to have a court intervention and say, these people can't be held all this period of time without trials.
We can't be saying these sentences are outrageous for what was done.
You end the book by saying the real question is not why thousands of women went to Washington on January 6th, the real question is why the rest of us did not.
And I think you're pointing out that this is a call to the nation to realize how precarious our freedoms are at this point.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's, you know, I think, you know, this book was originally scheduled to come out October 15th, Jerry.
And like on this traditional rollout schedule goes to bookstores and stuff.
I said, no, no, no, I'm sorry.
You know, let's go right to Amazon, right to BNN.
And, and get this out there sooner than that, because we have what was in May, we got six months.
To awaken America to this, to awaken at least the people running for office, that this is an issue, this is their issue.
Unfortunately, the GOP has been painfully silent on this for the last three and a half years, and they've let Biden beat us over the head with an issue that should blow up in his hands.
Well, I really encourage people to get this book, Ashley, The Untold Story of the Women of January 6 by Jack Cashel.
And Jack, they can find it on Amazon, right?
Amazon, BNN, they go to local Barnes and Nobles to order it for you, but they won't have it in stock.
Not that they won't have it in stock, anyhow.
If they did, they'd stick it in the back someplace, so you couldn't find it.
Now, the book selling business is now, unfortunately, handled by people like Amazon, so that's where you go.
And it's out now in paperback, hardback, ebook will be up in a day or two, and audiobook in about a week or so.
We're getting it out there.
Hey, Jerry, I really appreciate your time.
I'd love to come back and talk to you about some of the untold parts of this story.
We'll do that.
We can do that.
We can schedule that.
All your books, Jack, are very well written.
It's a compelling read.
It's a quick read.
And it will make a deep impact on those who do read it.
And it's filled with good investigative information, raises extremely important questions.
I encourage everybody to get a copy of Ashley, to read it, to engage in social media, to share the word.
And I think, Jack, you've written another very important book.
Thank you.
Hey, Jerry, thanks, son.
And from a guy who, I don't know if you remember when we first got together, it was over the swift boat thing.
Oh, yes, I remember.
So you've had your share of important books as well, I would say.
You guys won the election for Bush that year.
Well, it's been a battle.
We've been fighting these wars.
You know, we're going to continue fighting them.
And Jack, you've been a warrior in it.
And thank you for being on the show.
Okay, appreciate it, Jerry.
Anytime.
Thanks a lot.
We'll wrap up.
In the end, God always wins.
God's gonna win here, too.
And our guest has been Jack Cashel, who's been a good friend and a long-time associate.
