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Feb. 16, 2024 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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A Deeper Look at the WHO Power Grab Treaty: Unconstitutional and Potentially Devastating

On today's The Truth Central, Dr. Jerome Corsi welcomes three special guests for a roundtable going deeper into the World Health Organization's Pandemic Treaty/Power Grab. While the Biden Administration celebrates the signing over of their citizens' personal rights to the WHO globalists, we tell you why this pact is Unconstitutional and should, in truth, be null and void. There are many reasons for this stemming from what is written in our own Constitution (starting with Article 6, Clause 2). Dr. Corsi and our panel will tell you why and what needs to be done to keep this dangerous treaty from taking effect. Joining Dr. Corsi are:KrisAnne Hall - Constitutional Lawyer; Founder: Liberty First SocietyFrank Gaffney - Founder, Center for Security PolicyDr. Karladine Graves - Dr. Karladine Graves D.O. of Cornerstone Family Care in North Kansas City, MO;. She is affiliated with St. Lukes. Dr, Graves is best known for exposing the dangers surrounding the Pfizer COVID vaccine. The roundtable also looks into how the U.S. Washington Establishment uses pandemics and other emergencies to centralize more powerHow states can, by law, just say "no" to the WHO treatyHow the WHO power grab interferes with National SecurityHow the plan could be detrimental to the health of Americans and citizens of all nations under the boot of the WHO treaty., creating a sort of 'medical tyranny.'The Pharmaceutical Industry's continued quest to find the most profitable, rather than the most efficient, treatments for diseases.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-truth-central-with-dr-jerome-corsi--5810661/support.Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comOUT NOW: Dr. Corsi's new book: The Truth About Neo-Marxism, Cultural Maoism and Anarchy.Pick up your copy today on Amazon: https://www.thetruthcentral.com/the-truth-about-neo-marxism-cultural-maoism-and-anarchy-exposing-woke-insanity-in-the-age-of-disinformation/Get your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on Xr: @corsijerome1Our link to where to get the Marco Polo 650-Page Book on the Hunter Biden laptop & Biden family crimes free online: https://www.thetruthcentral.com/marco-polo-publishes-650-page-book-on-hunter-biden-laptop-biden-family-crimes-available-free-online/Our Sponsors:MyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpThe MacMillan Agency: https://www.thetruthcentral.com/the-macmillan-agency/Pro Rapid Review: https://prorrt.com/thetruthcentralmembers/

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This is our Drone Course and we have a special program today with Chris and Paul.
And we're excited to have a discussion here of this globalism and where it's going.
Chris-Anne Hall is with the Liberty First Society.
She's an attorney, and Chris-Anne, I'll give you a chance, would you please introduce yourself to the audience?
Sure, I'm a constitutional attorney.
I have spent the last 14 years traveling, teaching the Constitution, doing constitutional consulting.
I've written six books on the Constitution.
I'm a regular guest on Many media channels as a constitutional consultant.
I don't know.
It just, it goes on.
It's hard for me to tell.
I've taught the legislators of 11 states in session.
I've taught sheriffs from all 50 states.
I actually have a specific class that I do teach as continuing education for sheriffs and for Legislators, I've written and produced two award-winning documentaries on Constitution, specifically the dynamic of the separation of powers between the state and states and the federal government.
And the second documentary is the role and authority of the sheriff as a defender of rights and not just an enforcer of law.
So just sort of a little bit of what I do.
Well, thank you very much.
And I want to talk today's focus on this World Health Organization and what they're doing because they're making a power grab.
And it's very frightening because it could overtake our sovereignty.
And I'm concerned about this disease X that they're talking about, and another pandemic, and the powers that we seem to be giving to the World Health Organization, which are frightening, and I want people to be aware of it, because it's coming down pretty quick.
So, Chrisanne, I'll ask you to give the basics to get us into the discussion, then I want to ask a few questions.
Sure.
Why don't you give us the background of what's going on?
Well, the basics are that the federal government only has the limited and defined authority that is delegated to it through the Constitution.
Treaties are very well defined in the Constitution.
There really isn't much room for Any kind of need for interpretation or claim for interpretation, as a matter of fact.
Treaties are limited under Article 6, Clause 2 of the Constitution.
Their validity is limited to only authority that has been delegated to the federal government.
We also know, under Article 2, that treaties are agreements.
Our founders who drafted these clauses actually explained that they are contracts between the Union and foreign governments, so they're bound by the same kind of terms as contract law.
And treaties are only valid if they are, one, there's two things that have to happen simultaneously.
One, they have to be ratified by two-thirds of the Senate.
And two, they must only cover things authority and any kind of power that has been delegated to the federal government.
So, any treaty that violates one or both of those qualifiers is a treaty, according to Article 6, Clause 2, that does not bind the states.
Now, that's a very, very important understanding.
Treaties that do not meet both qualifications simultaneously, according to the constitution itself,
do not bind the states.
So what we must recognize with the World Health Organization
is the states never ever delegated any authority to the federal government to have anything to do
with the health or the lifestyle health of the American people.
Since that power is not delegated to the federal government,
they do not have the authority to treaty on those issues.
So any treaty with the World Health Organization that has anything to do with the individual lives
of the people or the authority and management of such issues by the states
is null and void by the constitution itself.
Article 6.
Additionally, it does not matter if the treaty has already been done.
I've heard these I've heard people argue that, well, this treaty was signed back then and there.
You know what?
The treaty postdates the Constitution, which means it must apply to the Constitution.
It must be consistent with the Constitution.
It doesn't matter if it was created after the ratification of the Constitution and it does not comply with the Constitution.
It is null and void.
Additionally, even if it were a valid treaty, Which it's not.
Any amendment to the treaty, any alteration to the treaty, would have to apply via contract law, which means that it would have to go through the amendment process and ratified by two-thirds of the Senate before it would be binding.
So this treaty, any treaty with the World Health Organization, fails from second one.
It is not binding on the states.
So the only danger that the World Health Organization treaty poses to the United States is for the states to voluntarily comply out of ignorance, out of greed, of Federal or international money or out of some other nefarious globalistic reason.
The federal government doesn't have the authority to transfer our sovereignty or to eliminate or even reduce our sovereignty in any way.
That is not an authority granted to the federal government.
It's interesting because the World Health Organization is proceeding as if it has already gotten in place rules that bind the United States.
They can pretend all they want.
They can say all they want.
It's just not true.
And they're doing that, mind you, to be doubly deceptive, to get those who don't know the facts and to get those who are intimidated by the globalistic rhetoric to comply.
But the World Health Organization in the treaty itself actually says that this is a voluntary compliance, not a mandatory compliance.
And it's not just voluntary as The United States of America, meaning signed off by the federal government.
America is a union of 50 independent sovereign states, so it's voluntary on a state-by-state basis.
If New York goes with it, that does not bind Texas or Florida.
Yeah, just so the audience understands what we're talking about here fully, the World Health Organization is trying to say that The head of the World Health Organization, Tedros right now, can declare any local epidemic or any disease as a pandemic and invokes extraordinary powers that extend not only to declaring lockdowns that have to be obeyed according to the World Health Organization by the
By the nations who have agreed to the treaty, the argument that is appropriately being made by Chris Ann here is that even the states can say no.
And again, we see today Texas defending its border and when the Biden administration is not enforcing the laws to protect the citizens of Texas from an invasion.
And so therefore, this is one example where the state is exerting state authority as sovereign to protect the people of Texas.
Now, if the World Health Organization, let's just take an example, says that climate change, global warming, whatever their current definition of it is, which is scientifically nonsense.
We've explained that in other shows because carbon dioxide is not the You know, the turning knob of the Earth's temperature.
It doesn't regulate the Earth's temperature.
It's a minor molecule, minor greenhouse gas.
But let's say the World Health Organization says, in order to protect the climate, because people are getting illnesses from global warming, and this is a health hazard, And says we're going to shut down the modern industrial state and stop using hydrocarbon fuels as a health crisis.
And we, by this authority of this treaty, have these extraordinary powers and the United States has no decision to make except to comply.
they're setting up a very elaborate legal structure, which appears to be intended to exert
control in destroying the world's economic modern industrial state and potentially depopulating a
large percentage of the population, which seems to be the globalist agenda. Well that might be
have an effect in Europe, but the emperor has no clothes in America.
The federal government was never delegated the authority to regulate our climate.
Therefore, it cannot treaty to any other entity, whether it be a single country or a global entity, to regulate our climate or to force the regulation of our climate in America.
That's the one of the brilliant protections that our founders put in place for the rights of the people, that each state independently holds a superior authority to the federal government in matters that are not delegated to the federal government.
And so what it really rests upon is the Knowledge, the wisdom and knowledge of the people and the power of the people, the wisdom and knowledge of their states, their sheriffs, their governors to issue a ruling of noncompliance.
It shouldn't be a controversial thing.
It shouldn't be something that's up for debate.
It should be just like many of the states did during the pandemic.
We're not going to close.
We're just not going to do it.
And if your state won't do it, then the local governments must even defy the states and say, hey, we're not going along with this.
As a local government, we have an obligation to protect the rights of the people.
We are not going to go along with it.
And if the local governments want to unconstitutionally deprive the people of their rights, then it is incumbent upon the community to refuse to comply, like we saw on many occasions.
For example, in Hillsborough County, Florida, we had a pastor of the River Church, Pastor Rodney Howard Brown of River Church, refused to shut down the church during the lockdowns.
And remains open still this day.
Now there are consequences for peaceful non-compliance, but there are also dramatic results.
Pastor Rodney Howard Brown was actually arrested by the sheriff.
He spent, gosh, I don't know, like 40 minutes from booking and then let go.
The bottom line was within 36 hours, the governor had repealed the lockdown mandates and the pastor had all the charges dropped and was his record expunged.
Well, this is why what you're saying is so important, is that you're preparing for the state, for the people, first for the people to understand that the sovereign here in our system is not the federal government, but the states are the sovereign.
That's how the Constitution is written.
Right, exactly.
The federal government has a degree of sovereignty in matters that are actually delegated to the federal government.
But those matters are, as the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution expressly told on many occasions, those powers are limited and defined, and they are specifically enumerated.
As the Tenth Amendment says, and as James Madison, the father of our Constitution, clarified on top of that, If the power is not specifically enumerated and delegated to the federal government, it is to remain reserved in the states.
Madison specifically wrote in Federals 45 that the powers that are reserved to the states that remain in the states are numerous and indefinite.
That includes the lives, the liberties, the properties of the people, the internal order improvement and prosperity of the state.
The powers that are delegated to the federal government are few and defined, and they're primarily foreign, and they encompass war, peace, negotiations, and foreign commerce.
And remember, according to Article 6, Clause 2 of the Constitution, Their foreign power is not limitless.
Their foreign power is also limited and defined by the delegated authority expressly enumerated in the Constitution.
I know you've got just a limited time with us, Chrisann, but let me know that what you're saying is extremely important.
Frank Gaffney has joined us from Securing America, and Dr. Carla Dean Graves, a physician who I've worked with for many years in fighting these various issues, going back to before the COVID pandemic was declared.
Now, Frank, I want to get you in the conversation while Chrisann is still here.
Because again, the argument's being made that the World Health Organization is going to try to bully its way To say that it can declare a shutdown, lockdown with all kinds of extraordinary powers, say that a climate health issue, and Chris Ann's making the argument the states can resist this.
The states don't have to go along like Texas is now defending its border.
Now, what do you see in terms of the national security issues to the United States of the World Health Organization's attempt to grab power?
Very first, thanks for having me, Chris.
And thank you for allowing me to join you.
And I know if your time is limited, I'm cutting into it.
I would simply say, Jerry, that I don't know that this is a matter of the World Health Organization bullying.
Our government is inviting them.
to exercise power that crushes our sovereignty.
And the national security implications of that could be very far-reaching if the supranational entity that is not accountable to us in any way, shape, or form, known as the World Health Organization, in the person of its Director General, Dr. Tedros Ghebreyesus, we've come to know and I think generally Hold in low regard as a result of his performance in the pandemic, COVID-19.
The idea that this guy could determine that any number of things are public health emergencies of international concern.
You mentioned climate change.
He talked about it at Davos.
There's no reason to believe that reproductive rights won't be one.
That the rights of immigrants won't be another or that you might find gun violence described as such an emergency.
And the worst of it is that in addition to having essentially limitless power to declare such an emergency, Tedros Ghebreyesus under these arrangements would actually be able to dictate to us what we must do about it.
So there are obvious national security as well as I think simple constitutional and medical and other freedoms related concerns here.
Thank you.
Chris, I'm going to come back to you in a minute, but I want to ask Dr. Graves first.
Many of these health, well, World Health Organization comes out and says, we've got a pandemic, it's COVID-19.
And what's the science basis?
I mean, do they have to, what if they're wrong?
What if it wasn't a pandemic?
What if it was just a bad flu?
yet who's going to contradict the World Health Organization when they try to make these dictums?
Dr. Graves, you're muted. Unfortunately, even under the recommendations, it was taken
as a mandate. You couldn't fly, you couldn't do anything, we all know that. But
My question, and I have a question that I really want to ask Chris, and I hope you don't mind.
No, please do.
The question that I have is that I understand what you've said, Chris, and I understand it very well.
However, the general public does not, and they don't understand the state's rights And therefore they have done, and they will do, just as they did with the so-called pandemic, which I don't believe in, by the way.
But nevertheless, they are going to bow down to what the federal government says.
And so how are we going to get this message across to the general public that this can be and should be actually a state issue at their legislation?
Is it my turn?
Just so I didn't miss because you know when three people talk and then everybody wants me to answer I kind of have to have a thread of the questions in the statements.
So the first thing that I want to address is that It's very important, and this will sort of answer Dr. Graves' question, I think, as I respond to the others will answer the whole question as a whole.
It's very important how we handle this information if we want the people to understand the proper constitutional remedy.
I am a former Russian linguist.
I am an author.
I am an attorney.
words are my tool of art.
And so I am very careful about how I speak.
And I just want to caution people to be very careful how they speak as well, because how we address this topic
actually dictates how people respond.
For example, I'm not making a constitutional argument.
I'm telling you the facts.
There is no argument.
What I'm telling you is actually true, it is factually true, it is indisputably true, and it's in writing.
When it becomes disputed is when error is sown in and the deception becomes the narrative instead of the truth.
So we have to be very careful about how we deal with these things.
This is not arrogance, and I hope it doesn't come off as arrogance.
I'm just confident of the facts, and we need to address these things With confidence.
In light of those facts, the federal government has no authority to invite the World Health Organization or the United Nations or any foreign entity into America.
That is not their authority.
It is not delegated to them.
They do not have any, any constitutional legal authority to have any influence whatsoever over the sovereignty of America.
Every state is individually sovereign in a superior manner to the international sovereignty of the Union.
So you have to understand from two different realms of sovereignty, right?
The federal government's sovereignty is only international and it is only in elements that have been delegated to it by the states.
Domestically, the states are 50 independent sovereign governments.
How do we get people to understand this?
Well, we have to take command of the narrative.
We have to, instead of talking and spending an inordinate amount of time talking about the woe-is-me damage and what the UN wants to do and what the federal government is trying to do, Why don't we redirect the narrative and start talking specifically about what the states not only can do, not only what constitutionally authorized to do, but have a duty to do.
Because you see, the Constitutional Republic was designed in its manner specifically for the singular purpose to secure the rights of the people.
It's actually stated in the Declaration of Independence, That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed.
And every single state constitution reiterates that in some form, and every single one of them also repeats the fact that all political power is derived from the people.
So our states are created by us for the singular purpose to secure our rights.
So every state has a duty to defend the rights of the people, whether it be an attack from a criminal culprit, an overreaching domestic government, or even an out of an overreaching foreign government.
And so if we handle these things with a more positive solution-based narrative, then people will be more inclined to accept the authority of that truth and maybe ask more questions and want more information.
I think one of the things that I have come across that is an impediment to people, as Dr. Gray says, how do we get this truth to people?
How do we get them to understand?
Is that, number one, we all know that our government education system was corrupted from day one.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It's not broken.
It's working exactly the way it was supposed to work.
Number two, it was Marxist from its inception.
And number three, it's been teaching us to be in submission, docile servants of government, since compulsory education began.
And so we're working against a An organized deception in America to increase power of the federal government to create a supremacy of the federal government for this exact globalist time.
So we have to understand that we're working against a century of bad education.
We're working against A culture in America where people think they know a lot of things and they think they know a lot of things that are true, which are not.
And so what we have to do is, again, take control of the narrative and start seeding the airwaves with solutions and truth.
And the final thing that I think is really, I think, in spite of the fact that we've been taught lies, a more Lofty impediment is that sewn into those lies.
Is an educated elite bullying tactic to make the Americans believe that they're too dumb to understand the Constitution?
They're too dumb to understand how our governments are supposed to work, so we have to leave that to the knowing, right?
Well, what I do is I bring people the education that brings it down where our founders placed it, right at the grassroots level.
It is not complicated.
The Constitution is not complicated.
The operation of government is not complicated when it's operating as it's designed to operate.
Everything in government is complicated because they're not following the standard of the Constitution.
It's why I've written the book Sovereign Duty.
So anybody who is listening to what I have to say, who are really interested in, and I'm talking right now solutions, not like We can only do this if we can vote the right people.
I'm telling you, the solutions that are available to us by the design of our constitutional republic, through the hands of those who created our constitution, who created our union, way back when, the solutions are actually things we can put into place immediately.
And they do not require Congress approval, they do not require the proper president, and they can even operate with power and efficiency if you don't have a governor on board.
So these are the solutions that our founders wanted us to use when our government started escaping its constitutional boundaries.
They actually anticipated that because they understood human nature.
So I have a book called Sovereign Duty.
That puts all of this out there.
Everything that I'm talking about, the World Health Organization, the power of the states, the limited power of the federal government.
If you read Sovereign Duty and you can do it, if you are an average reader, you can finish that book in less than a weekend, you will walk away with a documented, referenced understanding of the solutions that you have now.
And even more importantly, a bold confidence that the World Health Organization has zero authority In America, and the federal government has zero authority to enforce it.
Chrisanne, how do people get to your website, and how do they reach you?
Well, my website is chrisannehall.com.
That's the main hub.
We have a learning program, online constitutional education, at libertyfirstsociety.com, where we start you from the beginning.
So, remember, everything is basic Understanding simply placed into place like our founders intended.
Our online education at Liberty First Society is so simple that we have hundreds of middle school, high school students that study with us as a companion to their home school or even public school education.
But we also have hundreds of adults of all education that are learning from us.
So it's simple enough for a fifth grader, but deep enough for the most scholared person.
I mean, I taught a Supreme Court justice from the state of Florida in one of my live teachings, and he told me that he learned more about the Constitution in one hour of that live teaching than he did in his entire A legal education.
So that's not bragging on me, mind you.
That's an indictment on what we're teaching, and it's also an understanding of just how simple it really is to understand.
Well, thank you, Chrisanne.
We really appreciate your time today, and we're going to continue the discussion, but what you've pointed out has been invaluable.
Thank you.
We greatly appreciate it, admire the work you've done, and thank you for joining us today.
Yeah, we'll have to get back together when I have a little bit more time.
We'll do that.
This is going to be a continuing discussion.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, sir.
Frank, let's turn to you now, because I think the way this is framed, and we look at what's going on with the border, we're basically entering a situation where the states are repudiating the federal government.
Now, it's not exactly a revolution.
It's all being done legally within the framework of the Constitution.
But what happens when we have a president or powers behind the president?
Because I think even now with the statement of the special counsel that Joe Biden is suffering such severe senior dementia that he cannot be prosecuted, how can he be president?
What if we have powers behind the throne that are intent on destroying America?
And are exerting the supposed federal authority, crafting these pandemics, learning how to create crises and manipulate societies by psychological techniques.
Now, where does that leave us in terms of fighting back the way Chris Ann's talking about fighting back?
I'm sorry, I'm not more familiar with the ways in which she's recommending.
She's saying basically the states need to just simply say no, just like Texas is simply saying no on the border and saying we're taking over the states who are sovereign.
I'm saying it's setting up a state.
We've got a state conflict here with the federal government.
The federal government is, you know, assuming powers and creating crises.
How do we deal with this is fundamentally the question.
And I add to that indictment, Jerry, that the federal government is failing to perform its responsibilities.
And that sets up, I think, precisely what's happening in Texas and maybe part of what Chrisanne is recommending more broadly.
When you have not simply, you know, conflicts or you have powers behind the throne, as you say, that are, you know, undermining our republic, but you have an absolute dereliction of duty
as with the border at the moment.
I think it behooves the states to step up as belatedly to my way of thinking, but nonetheless
commendably Governor Abbott has done in Texas. Well, you've got a distinguished career in
national security and with what the World Health Organization is doing to try to be able to usurp
universal authority over health questions.
How does that put, what does that do for the national security interests of the United States?
I mean, I think it certainly concerns me, but I'd like you to elaborate on that.
Yeah, well, to pick up where I left off before, I believe that if the federal government is ceding powers and authorities that it does not have under the Constitution of the United States.
There can only be problems that have bearing on the national security that arise from it.
In this case, turning over to elected unaccountable international bureaucrat The authority to do is, as Carla Dean was saying earlier, by edict, not simply to recommend as was the case, that's pandemic, but by edict, that we have a problem, he characterizes it as he sees fit.
And then he prescribes what we must do under these agreements that are now being mentioned.
If those Recommendations, as we saw in the past, I should say, are defective and it results in the loss of some significant portion of the 1.1 million Americans who perished.
To say nothing of countless others who have been harmed by the vaccines or by the devastation of their businesses or whatever other communities, then that obviously has a direct bearing on the condition of our country, and I would argue, weakens it to the point where it is susceptible to further attack by those who, in this case, notably the Chinese Communist Party, unleashed a bioweapon against us with those murderous effects.
So I'm basically trying to get, by way of an answer to you, Jerry, the direct effects may be on things like medical freedom, or perhaps the sovereignty of states, as Chrisanne was talking about, or certainly the sovereignty of federal government, in some cases.
But at the end of the day, people who inflicted COVID on us, deliberately, as a biological weapons attack, namely the Chinese Communist Party, And it's a very important point.
Dr. Graves, again, the ability to create bioweapons.
And this was in furtherance of that, and that of course is completely at odds with the national
security of the nation as well. And it's a very important point. Dr. Graves, again, the ability
to create bioweapons. I mean, we're now realizing that even in Ukraine, there were all these
government-funded biolabs. And what is the potential of what we call the deep state or
whatever the force is that be creating a disease, releasing it with the intention of the WHO
exerting international control, as Frank is saying, to threaten the security of the United
States and to weaken our fundamental freedoms, attack our fundamental freedoms on a
On something that is a bioweapon, or maybe even a disease that is not, as Vera Lynth has lied about, all these people in the hospitals dying with COVID, which didn't occur, the manipulation of the media.
I mean, as a physician, this must concern you in terms of the potential to be playing with bioweapons in order to destroy the United States of America or to gain power.
Well, it does concern me.
For one thing, as Frank well knows this, that they want to make it, they meaning the United Nations and the World Health Organization, want to make it so that actually that the bioweaponization of viruses, diseases, bacteria, whatever it is that they want to use, toxins, that's another issue completely, and that they can put in These so-called vaccinations, which aren't vaccinations, by the way, they're the shots.
They want all nations to share the increase in virulence, or in other words, the increase in the damage that can be done to their national citizens, as well as those around the world.
And they want to actually formulate a system Where everyone can put in their bioweapon that they want to use of choice.
And they want to do this worldwide.
And so we have no idea.
I have heard talks just this week of them wanting to create some type of a disease or toxin, whichever you wish to call it.
I think it's going to be more of a toxin that the body Cannot even create an antigen for.
In other words, it won't be able to fight it.
And that it possibly very well could.
We don't know this for a fact.
But certainly, and this all could also be part of a psychological operation.
What we call a psych-op job as well.
To incite fear, incite lockdowns again, and so on.
But nevertheless, it still is used as a weapon.
That within itself is a weapon against the citizens of every nation.
And so we're not really sure, Dr. Corsi, what we are dealing with.
But we do know that they have promised that they are going to be coming out with something else.
When that is, what it is, we're not sure.
And they've also promised that if so, Then Tedros, the Secretary of the World Health Organization, will be able to certainly call that at whim.
And it could be a regional, it could be a national, it may be worldwide, but we don't know whatever he decides.
So we are at the whim of those elitist who have been Unfortunately, training us now, not only for decades, but probably for hundreds of years, going back in time.
And so we have a problem and we have a problem with our legislators too, because they're not educated on this.
And as Frank well knows, Senator Johnson has been working with us.
Senator Johnson tried to get the Senate The United States Senate to actually pass a bill that he had made a little now over a year ago saying that such a treaty and or an agreement.
They're calling an agreement so that they won't have to go through the Senate and call it a treaty.
But this agreement that such an agreement would have to go through the Senate still to be vetted.
And do you know that our United States Senate actually turned that down?
And they did not pass that bill, even though it certainly would be pro-American.
So yet we have a, as a people, we not only have to be educated, but then we have to, in turn, educate our state legislators and our U.S.
legislators.
And frankly, the psychological aspects of this are also frightening.
The psychological warfare aspects of this, because we're really into a With China, we are into a prolonged, perpetual psychological war.
Do you want to explain the dimensions of that?
Yeah, Jerry, this is such an important aspect of this.
The Chinese Communist Party selected Tedros Ghebreyesus to become head of the World Health Organization.
They engineered his re-election a year or so ago now.
He is their agent.
He is a Marxist from Ethiopia, originally, not a medical doctor, by the way, but was nonetheless, essentially put into place to help facilitate what is underway here, which is to create through these agreements, amendments to the International Health Regulations, as Karl-Heinz was talking about, a new accord, framework, agreement, a treaty that will enable The exercise of, as I said, supranational power.
One of the ways in which they will do this, that is very much of a piece with the Chinese Communist playbook, is through a surveillance capability that would have at its core the creation of digital IDs for everybody on the planet.
That would not only, of course, be vehicles for giving access to their personal health information, but once you've got that platform in place, it can give you a place to deposit all kinds of other information.
You know, what you do, your place of employment, the kind of social media posting that you're doing, the kinds of things you do with your money, all of which, again, lends itself to what?
To control.
So this is a bit of a psychological play, yes, but it's also a physical play because what they're putting into place Under the rubric of the World Health Organization.
It started already, this is before they even had these agreements, but with help from the World Economic Forum, the globalists, if you will, and the European Union.
These sort of infrastructures for control, for what the Chinese call the social credit system, are being put into place and then will be built upon once the authorities are fully conferred, perhaps as early as May.
And what's so troubling is, you know, there was a lot of talk back when the World Health Organization was giving us free advice, which turned into more of a dictate than we believed possible.
They were advocating for what came to be called the China model.
What was the China model?
The China model was, you know, social distancing and mask mandates and lockdowns and the use of inadequately tested vaccines on a mandatory basis and all the rest of it.
And that China model is now, under this arrangement, if it comes to pass, going to have the social credit system feature fully I institute it as well.
And that will be the China model on steroids.
And it will be the end of the freedoms that we hold dear and the constitutional republic that guarantees them.
The social credit score could also include what you think, whether you agree or disagree with a government narrative.
That's how this works in China, as you know, Jerry, that becomes the means by which you can determine whether somebody has to be rewarded.
And with digital central bank currency, your social credit score goes down, you might look at your bank account, there'd be no money there.
on, what have you, who they associate with, or they can be punished for it.
And with digital central bank currency, your social credit score goes down.
You might look at your bank account, there'd be no money there.
None for you to spend, at least, that's correct.
And so this is and it's warfare.
This is warfare.
I mean, you point this out, I think, effectively and repeatedly.
This is warfare and declared warfare.
The Chinese have even written a book about this.
Right, Frank?
They have.
It's called unrestricted warfare.
And interestingly enough, in this long compendium that two colonels in the People's Liberation Army put together back in 1999, Essentially, reduced to its essence is leave no stone unturned in trying to wage various kinds of attacks against the United States for the purposes of weakening it and ultimately defeating it if they can, without firing a shot, especially during a period when the Chinese People's Liberation Army is not strong enough to fight the old fashioned kind of shooting war.
And if I may, Jerry, we talked a little bit about Sovereign Duty, a book that we put together entitled The Indictment, prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and friends for crimes against America, China, and the world, is a place where you can see how this unrestricted warfare has played out, including through this idea of creating a new means of governing us, global governance, as the Chinese call it.
And that's exactly what they have in mind with this WHO play.
Well, I think it's a very good book, and I've endorsed that book.
Thank you.
How do people reach you, and how can they get a copy of the book?
The book is available at TheIndictmentBook.com.
You can get it at Amazon or wherever books are sold, I think.
Reaching me is best done probably through social media.
It's at Frank Gaffney on just about all the platforms.
Okay.
And your center these days, what is the center you're running?
Center for Security Policy.
I'm the executive chairman of it.
My colleague, Tommy Waller, is the president and CEO.
I founded it about 35 years ago, and I'm still very proud to be associated with it.
A lot of the work that went into this book, The Indictment, I might just say, if I may, Jerry, is available in a webinar form.
We've done about 120 of them now under the banner of a group we've sponsored called It's quite good.
I encourage people to go there and view the webinars.
at presentdangerchina.org.
It's quite good.
I encourage people to go there and view the webinars.
Could I also just mention one other, Jerry, because it's really directly relevant
to the topic of the day, and that is something that Carla Dean
has been enormously helpful with, and it's what we call the Sovereignty Coalition.
Our center sponsors and helps organize a lot of these groups where
we need help from people with lots of different skill sets and abilities.
And people can find there a declaration opposing the World Health Organization's, you know, upgunning, if you will, and also a petition that you can sign.
We're hoping to roll it out shortly.
So we'd be very, very keen to have people go to SovereigntyCoalition.com And join us, excuse me, .org, I believe it is.
Join us there and be part of this program of trying to resist what the globalists, what the Chinese Communist Party, what the Biden administration has in mind for us.
I'd like to see the formulation of an anti-globalist alliance, an international one.
I think we should really move in the direction of mobilizing people internationally on this whole idea of anti-globalism, an anti-globalism alliance.
As it happens, Gerry, our colleague, wonderful partner in almost all of this, Reggie Littlejohn, Yes.
Has just unveiled just such an axis, an alliance.
I think it's called that, as a matter of fact.
We would love to have your help with it.
Well, we will.
Carly and I have both been working in this direction, too, and working with her.
Great.
And so, you know, I think this is the time.
This is the time.
This is the time to unite against this.
And so thank you for joining us, Frank.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
And Carla Dean, any kind of final concluding comments here?
I think this has been a, you know, you've been instrumental in helping organize a lot of this, and it's been a pleasure to work with you.
And I'd like to give kind of a concluding thought, because at the base of what the World Health Organization is doing is they're attacking our health.
They're attacking our security in terms of our ability to, our fear of disease.
They're manipulating fear here and trying to say, don't trust your immune system.
Trust these vaccines.
They're not vaccines.
They're, they're gene therapy shots and they are dangerous.
But again, the lies are enormous.
So, I mean, it's got to be frightening for you as a physician to see government controlling physicians and the whole movement moving away from immunology towards the control of these experimental shots, which are fundamentally designed to redesign human beings.
I think That we as a people also need to look at another issue that hasn't been discussed here today.
And I call them the three-letter nuisance, such as the CDC, such as the NIH, such as the HHS, Health and Human Services, our own government.
Because these three-lettered institutions have been running our health care And that was purposely designed, actually, by many of our legislators so that they wouldn't take responsibility for that, as well as they knew that it didn't come under the Constitution.
Health does not come under the Constitution.
So they have basically farmed that out, so to speak, to these three-lettered organizations that really, they are bureaucrats.
They're non-elected officials who are actually dictating to us that this is the way it's going to be.
Now you may say, well, gosh, they're supposed to be protecting us.
They're supposed to be, but what is reality is much different than what is.
And we had better start looking at this because if the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, The HHS, they all come together and say, we are going to be following the World Health Organization.
Then right in turn, the U.S.
Senate has already made a declaration to themselves and saying that whatever the World Health Organization comes up with, that they are going to approve it.
So it's going to immediately go to these institutions that actually are supposed to be guiding and giving direction to the health care.
Now, it has been discussed that if we go off of the protocols that are going to be set up by the World Health Organization, that physician's license will most likely be removed from them if they do not follow these protocols.
And so it is going to interfere with Individual rights of health care.
Your right to refuse such a drug such as remdesivir, which we know, we know, there is no doubt about it, that this causes renal failure in multiple patients.
And has ever since it came out for Eboli in Africa, where it killed 56% of those who were given remdesivir for Eboli in renal failure.
We knew that before there was ever COVID, but yet this is what was recommended and was on the protocol.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, we had better be thinking about this because they will come in and dictate and go around our legislators and they will dictate this through these three-lettered non-official organizations and so we're going to have to be ready to stand on this at our state levels particularly and come against it and we better be doing it very quickly because on the World Health Organization scene they meet again
In May of 2020.
And they are poised to go full steam ahead over the population, no matter what we the people think.
That's May 2024.
That is correct.
2024, this year.
2024.
And that's going to be coming up very quickly.
And so, we must be active.
And I love Chris Ann Hall's Recommendation that we remind our legislators what their responsibility is through the not only the U. S. Constitution, but our state constitutions as well.
And we need to be positively putting this out at every grassroots organization.
If anyone listening to this has grassroots organization, please get on this right away and also get with your legislators.
And let's Not allow the world elitist, it's not just governments, it's these elitist that hide behind governments that are actually doing this.
And that's what we have to come up against.
It's how far we've gotten from what Chris Ann Hall is talking about, that the states are in control.
These are unelected officials and they're claiming science and they're claiming medicine as the authority.
And what they're doing is they're, as you're pointing out, they're not only having vaccine mandates to apply these drugs through shots to the military, say, but they're also having mandates on the physicians that if you don't obey and apply these shots, regardless of what you think of them, whether you believe they're safe or correct for a patient, you could lose your license.
That is correct.
In fact, it has been even discussed in some of our medical journals that if a physician were to order something such as ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, that their license should be removed immediately.
That has been suggested.
It hasn't come about yet, but nevertheless, it is in the conversation.
And I think that it is something that we need to really watch with caution.
And these are two medications that have been around for decades and were shown to be effective in COVID.
I mean, Dr. Zelenko, who's now passed away, rest his soul, was brilliantly arguing for the hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc protocol to combat COVID.
And these three other agencies all demonized it and attacked doctors who were willing to prescribe it.
That is correct.
And I think that we need to look back in a little bit of history and the same thing was done by Anthony Fauci back with the HIV.
He did the very same thing.
He demonized a lot of therapies that could have been used early on.
And he did that in order to actually allow the pharmaceutical companies to come in with so-called newer drugs and therefore their profits went up immensely.
And that is exactly what happened with this COVID debacle.
I call it a debacle because actually what most of COVID very well could have been, I'm not saying it was, I'm saying it could have been, Was it, what did we tell people when they went to the emergency room and when they went to their physician, go home and then when you can't breathe, come back?
Well, of course, because they were getting paid more if they went on a ventilator, but most of this probably was a type of a pneumonia that actually, uh, was untreated.
And then when the patient was so ill, they were probably what we call septic.
Or in other words, they had the infection within their own bloodstream and they were at, we were too sick to actually treat.
That's what probably really happened.
And that's most of these people who have died or who now have injury for a lifetime could have been actually completely avoided.
It's pretty shocking when you think about all the cures that could work, and Fauci did the same thing with HIV-AIDS, and it's been suggested we now see all these Drug commercials on television.
All the shows seem to have a drug they're sponsoring, the show, and you watch a one-minute commercial or two-minute commercial on this drug.
And the purpose of that seems to be not just to sell that drug to the public, but to put so much money into advertising for these news outlets that they don't dare run a story that contradicts big pharmacy.
So they're buying compliance with their narrative that these drugs work.
They've not only bought that, but they have bought the medical journals.
Because medical journals depend upon the advertising of the pharmaceutical companies to stay afloat.
They don't have necessarily their Membership so to speak that they pay a certain fee to get the journal because these journals are sent out usually free most of them are sent out so-called free to the physicians and so if your editorial or what your study has shown does not actually correspond along with
What the pharmaceutical company is touting as their new wonder drug, then you don't get printed and you don't get funded.
And many of these editors, we know that these editors are getting thousands and thousands of dollars to actually put their so-called studies into these journals for the mere purpose of propagating The product of the pharmaceutical company for financial gain.
It's not always the best drug that has been actually found to be effective.
It's the one that seems to be the most profitable.
Thank you, Dr. Graves.
With Dr. Carla Dean Graves, who has fought valiantly against this government takeover of medicine, the pharmaceutical industry, Profiting, certainly they've made billions of dollars on COVID and up here with these new regulations coming out of the World Health Organization poised to do it again.
That's frightening.
Dr. Corsi, we're actually now, the pharmaceutical companies are now profiting into the trillions.
It's shocking.
And it's not traditional medicine, which is immunology.
These are experimental.
They're not vaccines.
The consequences are not well known, but we're seeing, I think, now indisputable evidence of the harm that they're causing, including killing millions of people.
And it becomes frightening to think that they were created, that this whole Truman Show was created To create a constructed reality with the intent of depopulating the world by massive numbers of people.
And this is a scheme by a demonic... I mean, this whole cabal, which is essentially unnamed, operating through the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, The UN, you see it, the pharmaceutical companies.
This is such an anti-freedom movement that it appears aimed, as we pointed out at different times in the show, to hurt us into totalitarianism.
And therefore, it's extremely important at this time that we get these messages out.
Thank you, Dr. Corsi.
Thank you, Dr. Graves.
We appreciate your helping us put this program together.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
Anytime.
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