John Ramirez, a former Satanist turned evangelist, joins Jim Bakker to discuss his salvation under David Wilkerson’s mentorship and the 2024 Minneapolis church riots he ties to demonic deception. He warns of digital ID systems like China’s and Britain’s as potential "marks of the beast," while promoting Grid Down Chow Down—a 10-15-year shelf-life beef with salvation tracts—and Dulsa, a probiotic sweetener. Ramirez urges Christians to reject fear, embrace spiritual revival, and support Bakker’s uncompromising ministry, framing resistance as both earthly duty and heavenly investment amid rising persecution and biblical prophecies. [Automatically generated summary]
Today, our special guest is evangelist John Ramirez.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Welcome back to the Jim Baker Show.
We are happy to have John Ramirez back with us today.
Yeah, what a man.
Are you there?
I'm here, sir.
You look so young and you tell me, how old are you?
62.
You're getting some years on you.
You're a kid.
I know you as a kid.
You're not a kid anymore.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
But, you know, maturing in grace.
Yes.
Amen.
You know, one of the things that fascinates me about John, he was a former Satanist that was miraculously saved from a high-ranking satanic priest, but yet God transformed him.
And John, can you share what it was like walking with David Wilkerson in those days?
It was a God moment for the three years that I served David Wilkinson as volunteer security in Times Square Church.
God made it happen.
Actually, when I went to the interview, because I wanted to get back to the church, they told me the only thing that we have open is maintenance.
So I said, okay, I'll take the maintenance.
I'll come and clean the church.
Tell me the schedule.
I'll come and jump in here and do the church.
I said, okay.
And then they saw my heart was real.
I wanted to serve no matter what capacity.
They said, we were only playing around with you.
We wanted to see where your heart was at.
You have no pride.
You wanted to do anything just to come and serve.
We want to put you into volunteer security.
I said, okay, fine.
Did that.
Then two months later, one of the elders told me, hey, you want to walk David Wilkinson home?
And I said, sure.
I said, I'll walk him home.
So I walked him home.
He said, hey, if he talks to you, you talk to him.
If you don't, just, you know, give him his space.
I said, okay, fair enough.
So I was very nervous.
And so Wilkinson was asking me all kinds of questions.
And every time he asked me one, I was like, I didn't give him the right answer.
I was so nervous.
He said, how long you been here?
I said, I've been here with my life.
He said, I'm not talking about here in New York.
I'm talking about the church.
So I was nervous, whatever.
And then when we got to the front of the door to his building, I thought he was going to say goodbye.
I'll see you next week in church or whatever.
And I had my Nikki Cruz moment because Nikki Cruz told him, he told Nikki, if you cut me to a thousand pieces, Nikki, all thousand pieces, when you throw it in the street, it's going to say, Jesus love you, Nikki Cruz.
Jesus love you.
My moment with David Wilkinson was a moment that touched my life because when I got to the front of the church, he didn't know I was an ex-devil worshiper.
He didn't know nothing about me.
His blue eyes shine.
He looked at me straight.
I mean, he looked past me.
Like he looked into my soul.
He said, I see Jesus Christ in you, John.
And he walked away and went upstairs.
What a moment.
And after that, he was just talking to me, mentoring me, sharing with me.
I walked him to the supermarket, carry his groceries, walked him back to his building, and he lay hands on me.
He prayed over me, and he put me on the platform in Times Gray Church to share my testimony.
And after that was all history.
What's happening in the church?
I've seen in Minneapolis, it happened last week.
Yeah.
Rioting going in when people are worshiping.
And rioters taking over the church.
What do you think is going on?
Can you explain what spiritual deceptions and ICE protests that are going on in the worship services?
Well, you know, the devil has a plot.
God has a plan.
It's a different between the plot and a plan.
The devil's plot is to interrupt, disrupt, and just bring disorder to the house of God and bring fear to the house of God.
Because the first thing that Jezebel did, right?
Jezebel, what did Jezebel did to Elijah that he killed 450 false prophets?
I mean, think about it.
This man killed 450 false prophets and only one woman put him on the run.
Fear.
The church is trying to bring fear into the house of God.
He's trying to bring tormenting spirits into the house of God to torment the people of God, to torment the pastors, to have us walking on eggshells, to have us to turn around and doubt God, for question God.
That's what he wants.
So they come into this place to shake the place up.
Now the next, now in the conscience of the believers there with their children, family, should we come next week?
What about they bring out a gun?
What about they shoot up the place?
That's what's running into the minds of these believers.
No, I think I stay home next.
I stay home and see what happens.
Maybe I'll watch it online because the devil understands he's trying to divide the house of the Lord in a different facet, spiritual facet.
Because I mean, the house of God has been divided for a long time.
Now he's taking it to another level.
And that's what happened in Minneapolis.
I want to ask John: a lot of believers, Christians, still have a hard time understanding spiritual warfare.
Can you walk us through the process of what spiritual warfare looks like and how do we stand and pray against all of that spirit?
Well, we got to know one thing, right?
I mean, look at the life of Jesus Christ, right?
Who had more spiritual warfare than Jesus?
And but Jesus didn't start his ministry until he got armed with the Holy Spirit.
The disciples didn't start spiritual warfare until they got armed in the upper room with the Holy Spirit, right?
We're trying to step into the battlefield without the Holy Spirit.
So how are you going to win?
How are you going to conquer?
And how are you going to win battles?
How are you going to win wars?
How are you going to your promised land without the Holy Spirit?
And I think that we, as believers, we are, most of us are lukewarm.
Amen.
Most of us are lukewarm.
We want the things of God.
And we are in love with the things of the Lord, but we're not in love with Him anymore.
I mean, look at the book of Revelation, chapter 2, the Ephesian church.
They did everything right, but they lost their first love.
So I think we need to bring the first love back into your life.
Bring that tenacity, that hunger, that thirst with the Lord.
Listen, I've been walking with, I walked with the devil for 25 years.
I just made 25 years with the Lord.
My life has never been the same walking with Jesus.
And I will not give it up.
I will not surrender it.
And I will not quit until God calls me home.
Because in my heart, in my mind, I made a decision.
I'm going all the way to make Jesus Christ proud that He picked me.
What would you tell pastors and leaders who feel overwhelmed by what's going on in the world, the spiritual pressures in their church right now?
But they're overwhelmed because they're walking in the flesh and now walking in the spirit.
Listen, my eyesight is still healing.
I had two major surgeries last year.
My mom went home with the Lord with stomach cancer last year, a year ago.
My daughter, at times, she will call me and tell me, Dad, I think today I'm going to commit suicide.
What am I going to do?
At the hands of my mom, she still went home with the Lord.
I still went for two major eye surgery, semi-corner transplant.
I still hear my daughter on the phone back a couple of years ago.
Dad, I think today's my last day.
I just call you to say goodbye.
No, I walk in faith.
I walk in the Holy Spirit.
I walk in the truth of God.
You know what the Lord said, Pastor Jim?
If you take care of my house, I take care of your house.
God been faithful.
You know, there's coming a time, Mondo, when we're going to have a shortage of food.
And I don't want to say that, but that's what's going to happen.
Right now, we are in the timeline that the Bible describes nation against nation, but you got to go a little bit lower than that, where it says ethnos against ethnos, meaning culture against culture, ethnic against ethnics.
And then when you read past that, the Bible says that there will be a time where we will go through a famine, a time of famine.
And a lot of people in the church have slept through the process of preparing.
They don't want to prepare.
The moment President Trump took office, the church stopped preparing and believed that, oh, everything's going to be all right.
Listen, there's nothing wrong with having faith that everything's going to be all right.
I want to tell you, Mondo.
Absolutely.
But we've got to be prepared.
The last days are here.
Yeah.
And it's going to be suddenly upon us.
In fact, when they say peace and safety, we're going to have sudden destruction.
That's what the Bible says.
And you got to watch for the warning signs.
You got to watch for the markers.
And one of the key things that we as believers do, we don't prepare to hoard.
We prepare to evangelize.
We gather food so we can feed our neighbors, so we can reach those that are hungry, so they can be open to hear the gospel.
You think we prepare just to get you prepared?
You're being fooled.
We prepared so you can bring people into your home and minister to them.
Tell them about Jesus.
You know what the key is in the inner city or different outreaches?
They're not going to listen to you if their stomachs are empty.
So what's the first thing we do?
We feed the community.
Then they're open to hear the message of the gospel.
And I want to tell you something.
In this last days that we're going through right now, people are going to be hungry.
They're going to be hungry, not just physically, but they're going to be hungry to know what is going on.
Why did the Bible not warn us?
Well, then you can go back and say, wait a minute, the Bible did warn of this moment.
The Bible did say this would take place.
Let's sit down and have a meal and let's walk through what the Bible has to say.
Stop giving your opinion about what you think the Bible says.
The Bible doesn't need your opinion or your help.
The Bible needs you to read it out loud.
The Bible says faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
If nothing else, read Matthew 24 out loud to them and then go back and read Revelations to them.
And I want to tell you something.
The power of the Holy Spirit is going to give you the translation and the meaning of what that looks like.
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20 years ago.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
John, in the hour that we're in right now, what message do you have for Christians not to give up in their faith or supporting ministries like this?
I got two things I want to say really quick.
I'm an outsider, right?
And I say that I'm not part of Jim Baker's show.
I mean, it's an honor to be on that platform from an outsider that I come looking in, right?
What about if the mark of the beast happened yesterday?
We can't go to Chick-fil-A.
You can't go to McDonald's.
You can't go to the supermarket and buy food because you have to have the mark in order to shop and purchase.
And if you're a Christian, we can't take the mark.
That's like two things you can't do as a Christian that you want to make heaven.
The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the mark of the beast.
So we need to be prepared, right?
That's one.
Second, I think that the amazing thing about Jim Baker, his platform, and Amanda and Ricky, the most amazing thing that I've been taken back by the times that I've been there in person, this is purity of the show, the honesty, the integrity, the soul-winning, non-compromise opportunity they bring to the camera.
We had an amazing deliverance church service not too long ago.
It was just they bring the gospel to life.
And no matter what cost, they don't compromise it.
They don't water it down because they want God's best in your life.
Who doesn't want to support that?
Man, give to good ground.
Give to a place that when you get to heaven, because there's a Jim Baker show, I promise you, I promise you this.
You get credit when you get to heaven because you sold into good ground, to a place that was pure, a place that was about Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone.
Christian television is a lot of it is having problems because of people not giving.
And this ministry, I've been very sick for three years and I've gotten stronger.
The doctor's given me a clean bill of health and told me you're strong, Jim.
And that I would never have to have dialysis.
And they told me four years ago, and within weeks, I would be on dialysis.
The prophets prophesied it over me when I was 19 that I would help usher in the coming of the Lord.
And here we are.
The Lord's coming soon.
Yeah.
And when you see the signs, one of the things that John brought up is the mark of the beast.
And it's amazing that when you look at technology, you look at where they're headed with technology.
And that's happening now, Mike.
What you look at is the digital ID that Great Britain has put in place in order to control the nation.
That means that you got to look at the mirror of what it looks like in China right now with social credit scores controlling the way people live life, what they believe in.
As a matter of fact, we had Steve Chicolante here, and he was sharing a story on how persecution is going to look like here in America, and it mirrors what is taking place in China.
But look what's happening here.
I can't overrate it.
It's awful what's going on.
People bursting into churches.
If you think that's awful, wait till you see what's going to happen next.
This is nothing.
What we saw in Minneapolis is really pennies on the dollars, if I can say that.
I prophed by a year ago that people assassinate pastors.
Yeah.
And what did they do?
Yeah, they took Charlie Kirk is dead.
Yeah, they took one person and made an example of what the future is going to look like.
But if you think what's happening in Minneapolis is something, wait till you see what's going to the acceleration of things.
Because the darker it gets, the brighter the sun is going to have to brighten, right?
It's going to have to shine.
In the days of Noah, things got dark.
They got very binary.
But heaven is a there'll be no sickness, no sorrow, no crying.
Heaven's a wonderful place, and it's real.
Yes.
I know I sound crazy, but I've been to heaven in my dreams, and God let me go and see it.
And it's so wonderful that you don't want to miss heaven.
It's forever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we don't have to worry about this mess on this earth anymore.
Yeah.
But if we can.
What's taking hold of these people that are fighting this America?
It's evil.
It's demonic.
It's not godly.
No, it's Antichrist spirit, like John mentioned.
And John, before we leave, listen, if you want more information on how to get John's book, go to the website JimBakershow.com.
He's got books on how to understand spiritual warfare behind the enemy's plans.
I mean, he's got all amazing books.
John, as we say goodbye, what is the last message you want to leave?
And let us help us understand how to pray.
I think one of the things that I believe, I believe in corporate alignment, I believe supporting Jim Baker's show.
That's a platform.
It's a convoy.
Not only to get you to victory here, but to get you to heaven.
Amen.
I think that prayer, David Wilkinson always used to tell me.
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And I used to walk him to places.
He would say it in the church.
He would say when I used to walk him, he said, John, God always makes a way for a prayer man.
Don't stop praying.
Pray your way through.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Wow.
Thank you.
John Ramirez, one of the great, and there's not many of them left, Mondo.
No.
The man who started all of this has passed on.
And Oral Roberts is gone.
Billy Graham's gone.
Rex Humbert's gone.
E.V. Hill's gone.
Fred Price is gone.
All my parents are gone.
Yeah.
And I'm the last of the pioneers of Christian television.
I'm not bragging.
I'm just saying it.
Here I am, little Jim Baker.
Still left.
I mean, after stroke, can I tell you something?
I was, when I started, I was very young.
Yeah.
But my church taught me that with God, we could do anything.
Amen.
And that's what I did.
That's how I built the largest ministry in the world was through Heritage.
Yeah.
Through God, anything is possible.
And it was a big place, and it was millions of people came.
Yeah.
But the FBI took my tapes and re-edited them and made me lie.
And that's the only reason I went to prison, according to the great lawyer.
Yeah.
Alan Dirchworth.
And I want to write a book about it, but I'm getting older.
I don't want to defend myself.
In fact, I got a letter from the government at the end.
They said, you didn't steal anything.
You didn't do anything wrong.
You didn't commit any crime.
But we don't think you're going to build enough room for your lifetime partners.
And I had a tower with 500 rooms about to open.
In fact, it still sits there.
They didn't let it be finished.
And it would have been finished in about 90 days.
Yeah.
And I don't want to defend myself.
God's going to defend me when I get to heaven.
I don't need that.
But I want you to know that God has vindicated me.
I had a second trial and I wanted.
The jury said I was not guilty of any crime.
And there's, did you know there's sources trying to destroy the church today?
Absolutely.
Every ministry is going through a reformation of its own.
Terrible.
There's been a lot of miscalculation on how they deliver prophecies and that have not been responsible, but God is cleaning the church.
God is, there's a reformation taking place in the church.
And at the same time, the Bible says where sin abounds, much more grace abounds.
And we're going to see an awakening and revival come to the land like we've never seen before.
But we got to go through the process.
The Bible says, Jesus, give your heart now.
Absolutely.
And stay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, they're preaching that everybody's going to heaven, and it's not true.
Jesus died on the cross.
Yeah.
So I want people to hold on to truth.
Yeah.
Because there's a lot of demon liars in the world today.
But Jesus has the truth.
And if you serve him, he's going to take you to heaven to be with him one day.
And all tears will be gone.
All heartaches will be gone.
Amen.
Don't give up on Jesus.
Don't let the world suck in on all this mess that's going on.
They're liars.
In fact, a lot of people are filled with demons today.
Yeah.
And God is moving.
Don't believe the demons.
Believe God.
Start reading Revelation again.
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Absolutely.
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Bye-bye.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye.
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