The Jim Bakker Show with Bishop Ron Webb and Dr. Georgia Webb
Bishop Ron Webb and Dr. Georgia Webb join Jim Bakker to discuss escalating global conflicts, aligning them with Matthew 24:7, while warning churches risk confusing politics with gospel. Ron outlines four spiritual weapons—Scripture, Jesus’ name, blood atonement, and prophecy—to counter societal rebellion, stressing repentance and unity. Bakker highlights threats like anti-ICE protests disrupting services (e.g., St. Paul’s City’s Church) and AI advancements by 2026, framing them as signs of the "Antichrist spirit." He urges prayer and donations to sustain Christian media for 60 years, citing a 1973 prophecy by David Wickerson, while promoting Dulsa, a probiotic sugar substitute. The episode ties current chaos to biblical warnings, urging believers to stay vigilant amid perceived cultural betrayals. [Automatically generated summary]
Our special guests are Bishop Ron Webb and Dr. Georgia Webb.
Our co-host today is Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Thank you and welcome, everyone, to PKL.
That was many years ago that I first said hello on television.
And I've been on television for, I always say, about 100 years.
About 60 years.
You've been on television.
I know it's been a long time.
All the great men of old are going to heaven.
Yes.
Except you, Bishop.
I'm still here.
You're preaching every night somewhere.
Somewhere in the United States.
Yeah.
And your wonderful wife.
I want her on the show next time when you come back.
I want her to preach a little bit.
Okay.
She can do it.
She can do it.
Lady Georgia, they call you Lady, don't they?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
I like that.
Lady G. You love your husband, don't you?
Oh, I do.
I love my husband.
And you even travel all over the nation with him.
I do occasionally.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
If you got a word for me today or for the people today, what's on your heart?
Well, I would encourage all the women that have a great man of God to pray for your great man of God because they need a lot of prayer.
It's a lot of stress and a lot of pressure in ministry, and we need to pray.
So I'll definitely say to all the intercessors and all the prayer warriors, we need to get on our knees and we need to pray again.
We need to start praying.
Yes.
They need to pray for their pastor, don't they?
Yes, yes, yes.
Boy, that's the word we need today.
Yes, sir.
Your wife keeps encouraging you.
My wife encourages me, but my wife's taking care of me for three years while I has 15 strokes.
Wow.
But I'm back and I bounced back from those strokes.
Yes.
But I'm not dead.
Bishop, you're not dead.
Are you going?
You preach almost every night around the nation.
I believe the best is yet to come.
And every time I see you, I just think about Caleb.
The spirit of Caleb is upon you.
Give me this mountain.
And this is your mountain right here.
Yes.
Mondo, you're standing with this ministry and Ricky has the church.
I think a lot of people that have watched us, you have seen the type of fight that we have been.
But it's your prayers, your support, your letters, your phone calls that encourage us every single day to be reminded why we're here.
If there was ever a time to be reminded, you have to look at what's happening in the world.
And we're watching Matthew 24 play out verse by verse.
Write that down.
Matthew 24 is taking place verse by verse.
And if you were to ask me, where are we in Matthew 24?
I will say we are in verse 7.
Verse 7 is what we're watching play out and it's going to play out not for a time.
It's going to play out all the way up to the return of Jesus.
Because when you look at Matthew 24, 7, it says ethnos against ethnos, meaning that nation will rise against nation.
But in the Greek, that word nation is ethnos, meaning ethnic group, race, tribe, people group.
So Jesus was saying ethnic groups will rise against other ethnic groups, meaning that not only wars between countries will take place, but write this down, but racial, cultural, and tribal conflicts between the people.
Is that what's going on in Minnesota?
That is an example of what's taking place in Minnesota.
I mean, what's happening in Minnesota?
If it spreads in America, we're in trouble.
Bible prophecy in Matthew 24, 7 is being fulfilled because you got nations, you got different ethnic backgrounds.
When you have Somalian people, when you have Latinos, when you have African Americans, when you have white America, when you have different ethnos behind the conflict, that is Bible prophecy being fulfilled.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Bible prophecy.
It just calls for common sense to put it back into context and understand the full picture of what we're watching play out in Minneapolis.
Then Chicago, Seattle, Washington, Los Angeles, California.
We're watching it in New York City.
We're watching it in Miami, Florida.
We're watching it in Indiana.
We're watching it in Iowa.
We're watching Bible prophecy play out, Bishop, in places that we didn't expect.
But this is the problem.
The church cannot see clearly on what side they need to be on.
Because in cultural environment, you think that it makes sense getting behind the cultural aspects of what we're seeing, but yet it's not lining up with what the Bible calls the church to do.
Now, a lot of people will get onto us because they say, well, don't talk about politics.
No, listen, the thing is this, there's a place to talk about politics and there's a place to keep the gospel in the church.
Today, we don't recognize the pulpit anymore because we don't understand if it's politics being taught or it's the gospel being taught.
What are the four things that you preached about yesterday that tells us where we are in society when it comes to mirroring what is happening in Minneapolis?
Well, in Matthew 24, one of the things that we're seeing now is the spirit of what?
Lawlessness.
Yes.
Rebellion against God or the things of God and rebellion against biblical authority.
And so that's being played out right before our eyes.
But we have to understand as the church, we don't fight with weapons of the world.
The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but they're mighty through God in the pulling down of strongholds.
So what are some of our weapons?
Number one, we have the word of God.
Yes.
When the devil shows up in the wilderness with Jesus and said, if thou be the Son of God, command these stones bred, what did he say?
It is written that man shall not live by bread alone.
Jesus countered with the word.
We have to counter with the word.
And then number two, it's the name of Jesus.
The name of Jesus is above every name.
And then the blood of Jesus.
You know, Pastor was alluding to about gospel and gospel singing.
One of the things that have happened in a lot of our churches, and I like the new music, and there's a whole under a music.
We understand that.
But we need to get those blood songs back in the church again.
You know, because that's what drives you.
You can't take the blood out.
I'm sorry, but there's no salvation without the blood.
That's right.
And you can't take the blood out.
You have the blood of Jesus, the name of Jesus.
And then, number four, Paul says that when you deal with warfare, he's speaking to his son Timothy.
He says, go to war in prophecy.
He says, use prophecy to fight the devil.
So what does that mean?
The word of God.
You know what?
When we see these things happening there, Matthew 24 being fulfilled, when people are saying, what in the world is going on?
Well, prophets know what's going on because we read the book.
We read Revelations.
We read Daniels.
We read Matthew 24.
But Jesus says, when you see these things, look up because your redemption draweth nigh.
We're living in the book of Revelation right now.
Right now.
It's happening.
We are the Revelation generation.
And we have to begin to preach that.
I am going to start a Bible class on Grace Street, Mondo.
You clear the way for me.
Mondo's my vice president and special assistant in the ministry.
But I'm going to start teaching it.
I haven't taught the Revelation totally for many years since I started PTL down as a store.
Studio City.
Studio City.
About 15 years.
Yeah.
And so much is happening.
People need to feast on the word.
And I don't know if any of you will want to hear me, but I'm going to preach.
And the thing is, what people need to understand, we as a people, we need to understand that this is not going away anytime soon.
Right.
And that's the thing that is hard to consume because you want it to go away.
But yet the scripture in Matthew 24 says otherwise.
After we see what we're watching right now, there's another one that is coming in, which is famine.
I am talking to experts right now that they are predicting famine.
Now you have to understand the difference between prediction and prophecy.
Prophecy ends with a period.
God said it, it's going to happen, period.
Projections mean that projectors are looking at patterns, social patterns, economic patterns, anything that has a pattern to be able to predict what's coming in the next quarter.
This is where most false teachers come in because they want to prophesy, but then they delude it by saying, well, this has to happen first and this has to happen first.
And there's nothing wrong with that, but call it for what it is.
Don't call it prophecy.
Call it predictions.
Predictions give you an idea that if this happens, then this has to happen in order for this to happen.
But when you look at what Jesus said on Matthew 24, it ends with a period.
It doesn't end well, well, if you pray a little harder, Brother Jim.
Well, Brother Jim, if you just go to church a little bit more and if you prophesy a little more, then I'm going to make it happen on your behalf.
No, he said these things will come, but know that this is not the end, period.
And that's the key of what we're watching that is not going to get any better.
It's going to get a lot worse.
But for us as believers, you just quoted it.
You said, look up.
Look up.
Why?
Because our redemption draws near.
So understand that the king is coming, isn't he, Bishop?
Oh, the king is coming.
And just as he said.
But people have asked me not to preach on the coming of the Lord because it makes people afraid.
It's what we have to preach.
I mean, the thing that keeps me alive is that Jesus is coming.
I'm going to heaven.
Yes.
I'm not going to face all this junk.
I'm going to be with him and his heaven is good.
Right.
Right.
I mean it.
I love that.
I'd love to talk about him, but I don't.
I'll let you talk.
No, I love the book of Revelations.
And just a couple weeks ago, I was doing a series on the seven churches there of Asia Minor.
And one of those churches is Ephesus.
And it's interesting.
And Jesus starts by complimenting them and said, you know, I know your works.
And, you know, you've labored and you, you know, you've ministered to others, but then he says, I have somewhat against you.
And then you have left your first love.
Oh, my.
But then he gives the solution.
He says, number one, remember from whence you've fallen.
That's right.
And then he says, after you remember, he says, repent.
And then, number three, return.
Get back to the place that God ordained for you to be.
Do you believe anybody needs to go to hell?
No, not on my watch.
No.
You and I are writing a book right now.
Yes.
I prophesy I'll be out this year.
Oh, yeah.
And it's on forgiveness.
But a lot of people in the church are mad at each other.
Oh, man.
It's one of the most powerful messages for this end times.
It's the best book I've ever been a part of.
Well, I concur with you.
Minister Mark and I was talking about that at breakfast, and he says, you know how many flags that's going to raise in people's lives?
Because so many people are dealing with unforgiveness.
Yeah, don't go to hell because you're mad at somebody.
Right.
Or somebody did something.
You can't help what everybody does.
You can't help what your kids do.
You can't help what your husband or wife does.
Don't go to hell because somebody made you mad.
Right.
Wow.
In our book, we say, and look at the scriptures.
The Bible says, if Jesus said it, if you don't forgive, you'll not be forgiven.
It doesn't get any plainer than that.
And that's one of the greatest scriptures in the word of God.
You can't get it unless you give it.
You have to forgive people or you can't be forgiven by God.
And that's pretty plain.
The church has got to start loving each other.
We're in the end times.
The revelation is, we're in the book of Revelation.
Yes, we are.
And that's why I want to preach again here on Grace Street because I want people all know.
And if I have a few, that'll be fine.
I want people to know.
I believe the Lord is telling us we've got to return.
When most preachers preach that, Revelation chapter 2, it said, you know, I've heard a lot of them say, well, you got to go back because you lost your first love.
It didn't say you lost it.
It said you left it.
So that means you can go back and pick up where you lost.
And so there's a difference in losing it and leaving it.
And so the church has left it, but we got to return back to the place that God has ordained for us to be.
Yes.
The church is God's body.
Yes.
We need the church.
We have to have one another.
And I know there's false pastors and false preachers, but we need the church, Bishop.
Revival of God's Body00:02:10
I remember years ago when I first come on the show, we did so many shows on unity and the body of Christ.
Right now, if there ever was a time for the church to stand up and start loving one another, that time is right now.
You know, we got riots all over the country.
And it's not just going to stop at Minnesota.
It's going to be all over the nation, all over the world.
People are protesting, but what's happening in Minnesota is the time for the church to rise up.
This is our hour.
There is a revolution and revival at the same time.
Revival looks like what's happening in Iran when the people are wanting freedom.
Revolution is what's taking place in Minneapolis, Minnesota, that is rebellion.
And you're watching the two play out.
The problem, Bishop, is the church doesn't know how to recognize revival, what it looks like now.
That's where the thing's getting clear because we are all about justice, but we don't understand what biblical justice looks like in the Bible.
So understand when the Bible says even the very elect are going to be deceived, is because justice here in America looks one way, but justice in God's eyes looks a different way.
And all you have to do is look at what's happening in Iran.
That's a revival of people waking up to be freed.
Yes.
Revolution is rebellion that brings chaos.
But don't rebel against God because he's the only hope to get out.
Absolutely.
So when you look at those patterns, the world, can I say this?
The world form, the world economic form is looking at this as a project and saying God made a mistake with humans.
So this is what we're going to do to fix the human problem.
We're going to get rid of what God made a mistake with.
And now we're going to create a new human that we can control the emotions where now it's going to become a perfect human.
What am I trying to tell you?
Artificial intelligence, write this down.
Fixing The Human Problem00:09:54
Wait a minute.
In 2026, artificial intelligence is going to cross a line that we're not going to be able to return from.
Listen to this.
Listen to this.
In 2026, the intersection of AI, which is artificial intelligence, and human reproduction has moved from theory to practice.
What I'm trying to tell you is right now there are researchers, Chinese researchers, that are creating an artificial womb to create human life.
Oh, God.
Now, you have to understand what this looks like.
Jesus.
Because in society, we're looking at one of the greatest medical breakthroughs that we've ever seen.
And they're going to sell it to you, especially mothers that are not able to conceive.
They're constantly going through the process of getting pregnant, losing the pregnancy.
For them, it's going to look like a medical breakthrough.
And it's a good thing.
On the other hand, you're looking at half human, half-robot human beings that are now going to be implemented in society that is now going to drive us into what they're working through right now, which is a digital ID and digital cashless society in order to prevent the revolution that is taking place in places like Minneapolis.
It's by design.
My time is almost gone, but I wanted you to see this from Minneapolis from CBN.
ICE protesters invade, invade a church where they're worshiping on Sunday in Minneapolis.
Watch this.
Anti-ICE protesters stormed a worship service at City's Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, because of a pastor's alleged ties to ICE.
I'm joined now by CBN's Billy Halliwell.
Billy, what do you think about what happened on Sunday?
It's particularly interesting to me that the government is looking at a FACE Act violation.
Remember, the FACE Act is what a lot of Democratic politicians and others under the Biden administration and before that, they would rely on that because it protected abortion clinics.
But it doesn't just protect abortion clinics from these sorts of protests that impede their ability to do what they do.
It also protects houses of worship and churches.
But pull all that aside and come back to the morality of entering into a church service.
And you see the pastor there on video talking to Don Lemon, you know, as well.
We've seen those clips where he's saying, Hey, listen, you know, we're here to worship Jesus.
That's the cure.
That's what we're here to do.
And he even asked Don Lemon to leave, the journalist to leave the church if he wasn't there to worship.
And so I just think this is unacceptable and it's also scary for churches.
Churches have been under duress, facing more assault, facing more attack than ever before since the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
And now you have another issue where people, and it's a one-off, but we don't know if this is going to happen other places, are entering a church.
And by the way, impeding other people's First Amendment rights to worship in that church.
They're claiming we have a right to be here.
We have a right to protest.
Okay, great.
Protest outside.
This is a private church where people are worshiping Jesus.
So it's unacceptable on every single level.
It's not about us.
A lot of the problems that we have with protests like this is that they accomplish nothing other than agitating, disrupting, upsetting, and making it all about yourself.
If I go out and I'm loud and I'm boisterous and I disrupt a church service and I do all these things, it makes me feel really good.
It makes me feel like I'm doing something.
But to your point, is what you're doing lining up with what you're meant to do, what you're called to do?
You know, another verse, Proverbs 1:7, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
Fools despise wisdom and instruction coincides exactly with what you were just talking about.
You know, fools despise wisdom.
Where do you get wisdom?
You get it from God.
And the fear of the Lord, the reverence for the Lord, we should be taking everything to prayer, right?
If I'm emotional and I want and I'm frustrated and I'm angry about something as a human being, I need to take that to the Lord and see how should I be reacting?
What should I be doing?
And I can tell you that disrupting a church service is not going to be something that you're led to do in this way.
So at the end of the day, we need to be praying for these protesters and praying for peace because this issue has obviously blown up and there is no signs of it coming down.
Yeah.
Wow.
Pastor, it's horrible what's happening.
Yes.
Do you have security to your church?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I encourage every church to have security.
It is very, very important.
These are the times.
We're in a day when we have to have security, but it's terrible the church has to have guards to guard the patient, but people years ago, they left the doors of the church open 24 hours a day, and people would come in at 12 and 1 o'clock in the morning.
That's right.
Because it was a place of refuge and safety and security.
But now you've got people walking through the doors and you almost have to do a body check on them coming, you know, with backpacks and on and on.
And they're killing people in the house of God.
So the spirit of the Antichrist ain't coming.
It's already here.
Well, this thing that's happening in Minnesota, if it keeps growing around the world and around America, it's not good.
No.
There's a civil war about to happen if we don't do it.
But we got to keep this program on the air.
I want people to come to Jesus.
That's why Christian television was started to win people to the Lord because Jesus is coming.
This painting, we still have a few left.
This is a beautiful Thomas Kent Cade painting we have right here on the set.
Yeah.
And this is the Prayer Mountain Chapel Fall Canvas painting.
And we're calling you to step out in faith and believe for a miracle for this network.
So we got a few days to save the ministry.
And I started Christian television over 50 years ago, and I'm trying to keep this alive.
Yeah.
We're always going to have challenges, but this is where you come in with your prayers and your support.
And we want to say thank you for standing with us.
Thank you for believing.
And in return, we want to send this gift to you.
And if you don't want the gift and you just want to donate, you can do that as well because you're going to help this ministry bring this type of messages more and more, especially as things are developing.
We're bringing the experts.
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I want to stand with you.
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And more now than ever before, we want to say thank you.
And as promised, I told you your friend Jim Baker was coming back and he's energized.
But more than that, our goal is to win one more for the kingdom of heaven.
One more, meaning a million souls, two million souls.
But we need to support Christian television has been the center of what we have been doing for the last 60 years here in America.
If you only knew the plans they have to take Christian television off the air.
The devil is trying to display it right now.
Unbelievable.
One of these days, we're going to sit down and talk about what that looks like.
But in the meantime, can you be honest?
Oh, it's bad.
And by the way, David Wickerson prophesied this in 1973.
And what we're seeing take place, he warned us about you weren't listening then.
My question is, are you listening now?
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Remember that.
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