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Jan. 12, 2026 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Larry Stamm and Clayton Van Huss
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Resources Revealed 00:04:23
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guests today are Larry Stam and Clayton Van Huss.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
It's exciting you have tuned in with us today.
I want to say thank you for joining us today.
Mr. Clayton, I want to say welcome back, Clayton Van Hus.
Thanks, Ricky.
I want to reach over there, see how best I can do.
Larry, there we go.
Come on.
Hey, Mondo, you like that?
Come on.
I like that.
This guy's reaching out.
I am reaching out, reaching out to our fellow Jewish brothers.
Yeah, yeah.
You like that?
You like that little thing right there?
Larry Stamm, I want to say thank you for being on the show with us again today.
Mondo, it's been an exciting time.
We've had Southwest Radio Ministries.
If you've been watching on television, you would know that this series began around Christmas time and it's been going into this new year that we're in.
Happy 2026 to all those that we've been praying for.
Blessings on our partners and those who have supported the ministry for another strong and great year with the PTL television network.
But Mondo, this has been an incredible.
I'm going to ask you this.
How did you meet this group of people?
They are a fantastic group of people that you bump into them, that you work for them, that you, what are you doing?
Primarily through their resources.
Southwest Radio Ministries, and I'm going to give them an opportunity to talk about their websites.
Their resources stood out to us.
We actually received a copy of a book from a third-party person who had no affiliation with us or them.
And they thought, hey, this would be a good show guest for you.
We got some information.
I thought, hey, these guys kind of seem what they know what they're talking about.
I think they do.
Yeah, yeah.
So, anyways, we did some more research.
Our book record, we kind of looked at the different content.
We realized our audience needs to have the information that they're talking about.
And so we had Southwest Radio Ministries.
We were able to create an affiliation program with them where you can go get their content, support their ministry, and you can support the PTL network.
But Larry, I'm going to give you this opportunity.
Tell us if they were like us.
And, you know, I hadn't heard of Southwest Radio Ministries until I had gotten some things from you guys.
There's gotten some things from another party.
But tell us, where can people find out more about your ministry?
Well, I love Southwest Radio Ministries.
I can tell your viewers, as a young Christian, I moved to Tennessee from Florida in 1991 and 91.5 The Blessing, a local Christian station there.
I started hearing Watchmen on the Wall, the 30-minute national syndicated radio program.
Southwest Radio Ministries, Noah Hutchings, and I learned so much and have been so blessed through the years.
The last five years, I've had the privilege of being able to partner and collaborate on a number of projects.
Beacon Street Media is the publishing arm of Southwest Radio Ministries.
They've published my last two books and published a number of teaching videos.
So it's a real blessing to be a partner with Southwest Radio Ministries.
Larry Stam Ministries is the ministry that my wife and I, Lori, also do.
And if people want to learn more about that, you can go to larrystam.org.
That's larrystam.org.
But again, it's wonderful to be with my brothers with Southwest Radio Ministries doing ministry and a privilege to be with you all today.
Amen.
We'll put those up on the screen so you can't miss them.
Clayton, tell us a little bit about the vision and maybe some things that are going to be coming up for Southwest Radio Ministries.
Sure, absolutely.
So Southwest Radio Ministries, we've been around for over 90 years.
Yeah.
Doing the Watchmen on the Wall radio program.
And I'm blessed.
I actually worked at the Christian radio station that Larry mentioned where we ran Watchmen on the Wall.
Oh, wow.
I used to listen to it and never, never dreamed I'd be a member of the crew.
And so the Lord moved.
And so I run a firm, Apologetics, which is a part of Southwest Radio Ministries.
And the things that we've got coming in the near future are very exciting.
We're working with our new television program, which is Prophecy in the News TV.
And it's a news program, but it's kind of a magazine format.
So it's not just, you know, one thing the whole time, but we've got bits and pieces and we've got stand-up shooting stuff in Israel and here and there.
So that's exciting.
But also through a firm, you know, working on resources, apologetics resources.
And of course, being an archaeologist, that's where my stuff really comes from.
I'm working on a textbook for small groups and Sunday schools about the biblical patriarchs, finding them in archaeology and what that means for us today.
Biblical Archaeology Museum Vision 00:10:05
But also, now down the road, and you're getting something new here that we've mentioned in a conference, we've touched on on radio, but we've not really made a huge announcement.
But we are in the beginning stages of, Lord willing, in a couple of years, opening a biblical archaeology museum up in the Tri-Cities area of northeast Tennessee in southwestern Virginia.
Wow, that's going to be exciting.
Wow, you don't look 90 years old.
I was going to say, you look very good for your age.
It's all the walking in Israel.
That's right.
You can see I'm a health nut.
It's the Dead Sea.
It's a wonder what they can do in the green room, right?
It's amazing.
Those wonderful things.
That's funny.
You know, I want to ask you both this question.
Either one of you can feel free to answer.
So you'll banter amongst yourself if you want.
But how important is it to know the Jewish roots of Christianity in 2026?
Because we see a heightened escalate of anti-Semitism and really the rejection, I would say, totally of our Jewish roots.
I'll let you answer, Larry.
Well, we talked in our last program when we talked about the book, Jewish Roots of Christianity, which your viewers can get.
We talked about the fact that Jewish roots is our biblical roots.
And Jesus said in Matthew 5 on the Sermon on the Mount, I've not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill.
You know, I would expect the world to hate on Jewish people and the nation of Israel because Satan, since the inception of the nation of Israel, has sought to destroy the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.
Why?
Because no Jews, no Jesus.
No Israel, no Messiah, no Messiah, no hope, no hope.
And that's so we see, we see this all out.
And it's interesting, Ricky, today, not only do we see anti-Semitism at an all-time high, we also see Christian persecution around the world at an all-time high.
And we have to think, is there a connection?
Yes.
Jesus, the Jewish Messiah and the Savior of the world.
Remember, he said, I've come to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
We might get into it more as our program goes along, but God has definite future plans for the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.
And so that's why we're seeing today this rise in anti-Semitism.
And I understand the world is going to hate Jews, Jesus, and Israel and the church.
But the thing that really rankles me as a follower of Jesus Christ is when professing believers hate on Israel.
You know, Jesus said a lot of things about the nation of Israel, but he said one thing to us as his followers in Matthew chapter 5, he said, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, etc.
Right?
And if Jesus is the boogeyman, at least you have to love them and love them enough to give them the gospel.
Whether you think God has a plan for future Israel or not, you have to love them in Christian love and love them enough to give them the gospel and love them enough to demonstrate the love of Christ.
That's at a bare minimum.
So thank you for allowing me to rant because it's really important that we understand as God's people, first and foremost, God calls us to love the Jewish people, to love all people.
He says in Psalm 122, pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Pray that the peace of God manifest in the person and work of Christ would reside in the hearts of Jews, Arabs, and all people in that region.
This is what it means to pray for the peace of Jerusalem in one sense.
And so obviously, it's a subject very dear to my heart.
I'm the son of a Holocaust survivor.
I've been touched and wounded in my own family from anti-Semitism historically.
Yes.
You know, in the past generations, even today, you know, I'm affected.
So that's a little bit of my own personal story as it relates to Israel and the Jewish people.
I've said it a few times.
It's important that we as believers, and it's going to sound funny because I'm using the word hate, but it's important that we as believers don't hate any people group enough to not give them Jesus.
That we don't actually have hardened our hearts towards a people group to say, well, they don't deserve Christ.
Well, friends, neither did you.
Neither did I. None of us deserve this great and free gift.
But the fact that it was a great and free gift is the part that's the blessing about it.
If we tallied up all the good works we do from the day we're born to the day we die, we still don't make the mark for heaven.
Amen.
We still aren't good enough for the perfect mark.
But friends, we have the blood of Jesus, and we should want that for everything.
I don't care if it's a Jewish non-believer, if it's a Muslim non-believer, if it's somebody who is diametrically opposed to everything you believe, we should want them to have a radical encounter with Jesus Christ, and we should want to hug them in heaven one day and say, hey, I didn't think you'd be up here, but I'm glad you are.
I'm telling you, we should want everyone to go to heaven.
That should be our heart in it.
Absolutely.
In a world right now, we see biblical illiteracy at an all-time high.
We did Way Wasabarna study, and I don't know if you saw this.
I'm going to butcher the number.
I don't know the specific number, but I know it's under 10% of people who say they read their Bible at least once a month, professing Christians, who say they read their Bible.
So that's less than 10% of people who call themselves Christians say, I read my Bible about one time a month.
That's like saying I read it 12 times a year.
That is not in the grand retrospect of life a lot of time to spend with the one you apparently want to spend eternity with.
It should look the same here as much as possible as it will there one day.
Biblical illiteracy at an all-time high.
Do you think that that affects the way that young Christian men and women see Israel because we are biblically illiterate?
Oh, absolutely.
Because the teaching's going on and we tend to inform ourselves through the internet, through untried sources.
We watch YouTube videos and we say, oh, I like, yeah, yeah, I mean, 15-second TikTok at our theology.
Exactly.
And that's where it's coming from.
And so these are unvetted, unknown, and we listen.
And everybody who has an opinion has a channel, has a voice.
That's the world we live in.
So, you know, we talk about living in the information age, but we also live in the misinformation age where people are just misinformed.
That's a good one, I see.
And we live in the disinformation age, where people purposely destroy the things that they're saying with lies.
And so right now, we have theology coming at us from every direction.
And the people who are giving it are putting theirselves over the word of God.
They are the authority over scripture.
Can I ask you an off-the-wall question?
We don't rehearse any of this stuff, so we can cut it out if you don't like it.
We see right now in the United Kingdom, men and women are getting arrested for their opinion on social media platforms, literally being jailed for it.
How important is it that we obviously maintain our First Amendment?
We maintain the ability to have our opinion, but also we maintain our ability to be biblically sound.
Yes.
This is extremely important.
The nation in which we live, our founding fathers had certain ideas.
I love history, not just biblical history.
But before I became a biblical archaeologist, I loved American history.
And so our founding fathers, God, I think, gave them great wisdom.
And not all of them were believers in the gospel as we know it.
We had Christians, but we also had deists.
That's right.
But God gave them great wisdom in giving them the freedom to speak.
Now, the freedom to speak does not mean that that's a safe thing.
And when I say that, we should always be free.
But if I exercise my freedom, it's like handing a gun to someone who doesn't know what they're doing with it.
You hand a microphone to someone who has no knowledge, who has no basis, no understanding.
And the pen is truly mightier than the sword.
That's right.
And so in this age, we are accountable for the things we say.
The words that come out of our mouth.
I mean, Paul said it.
You want to be a teacher?
You want a good thing.
That's right.
But there's a greater judgment for you.
You'd be judged more harshly.
That's right, because of that.
I think it's important that we maintain that freedom.
I love living in the United States of America.
Part of the reason why I said, hey, you know what?
Let me go throw on a uniform and, you know, go serve the country is because I love our freedoms.
And I would say, I want my children and my children's children to experience what true freedom looks like.
First and foremost, spiritually, obviously, I want them to have a relationship with Jesus Christ because that's where real freedom is found.
But I want them to be able to go on and voice a separate opinion from what the government is saying and not get jailed for it.
I want them to go and be able to bear arms.
And I want them to have the freedoms that our forefathers, I believe, were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit to write down.
And I realize it takes a generation of men and women saying yes to the call to be able to make that happen.
We saw woke ideology beginning to seep inside of our military.
It kind of got weird there.
I was being honest with you during my time period and it got weird there, you know, like classes on DEI and how to make sure to use people's pronouns correctly.
They weren't training warfighters.
They were training, you know, woke activists.
It was kind of a scary time, but luckily we have an administration.
I'm not saying that currently administration is perfect or doing everything right by any means, but we have an administration that is at least pushing back against a strange agenda.
It's just my nicest way of saying it, a very strange agenda.
But you said, when you look back at biblical history, you realize if we can get history right, then we won't repeat our faults.
If we can really look at it and say, you know what, we understood America has not made the best decisions every single time.
But if we can go back and say, you know what, maybe we shouldn't allow another Jew hating event to happen.
Maybe we should never allow slavery to happen again.
Maybe all these things that maybe we got wrong.
But if we can fix it now, I believe that's how we move forward in a holier nation, not a holy nation perfect, but a holier nation pursuing righteousness.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm glad that you study history because I think it's very important.
The Importance of Discernment Through Scripture 00:13:47
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
And this is the actual truth of it.
And we see that.
How important is it to teach the next generation our roots of Christianity?
Well, we know Romans 10, 17 is so foundational just to understanding what it means to be a Christian.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
And we've talked about it off air that one of the biggest weaknesses in the church, probably not only in America, but around the world, is a famine of the word.
People are starving.
You mentioned people reading the Bible once a month or once a week or whenever.
I mean, we need to get, somebody once asked Billy Graham, Billy, how do you grow in the Christian life?
And Billy said, you want to grow in the Christian life?
You want to grow as a follower of Jesus Christ?
Wallow in the word of God like a pig wallows in the mud.
Amen.
And that's what we need.
I don't think the, it's funny when I used to, I used to be a homeschool educator professionally for six years.
We homeschooled our kids, my wife and I.
We have two kids that are now adults, young adults.
And as a homeschool educator, high school students, we would study philosophy, we would study theology, and I would tell them, Jesus, everything goes into the Jesus funnel.
He's the answer to all the questions, and he's the solution to all the problems.
And it starts with knowing who he is as he's revealed himself in the written word.
We need to get back into the Bible.
I had a friend of mine once tell me, he said, hey, Larry, if you're not getting into the word of God, what are you getting into?
Ouch.
And then he said, this is a guy who discipled me for many years.
He's now with the Lord.
His name was Daryl.
I love him and I miss him.
I can't wait to see him sometime soon.
But Daryl said to me, Larry, get into the word of God and let the word of God get into you.
Because if you don't, you're going to get into the world and the world's going to get into you.
I think the weakness in the church is we are worldly.
We need to be wordly.
And that's a very simple way to coin what is our problem in the church.
I think it's a fanning of the word.
It is a fan of the word.
We have become a generation in the church that is doing things backwards.
What do I mean?
The Bible says, be quick to listen and slow to speak.
We turn it around and we are quick to speak and slow to listen.
It says, be slow to anger.
We're quick to anger.
Exactly.
The lack of discernment, gentlemen.
It's unbelievable.
The power of the pen, meaning there's power in life and death in the tongue.
I'm seeing leaders put out statements that have no discernment.
And I'm thinking, who's around you?
Who is not giving you discernment around you?
Don't say that.
Don't text that.
Don't put that out.
What were you thinking?
The Bible teaches us discernment.
How critical in this time that we're in right now as believers, we ought to be discerning the times and the seasons.
Yeah, we want to say what we want to say.
We have the right to say what we need to say.
We have the First Amendment to say.
But if you don't have discernment to use that type of weapon, you see, I'm against people that just speak to speak to speak.
They have no responsibility.
No accountability.
Yeah, we give them platforms.
No accountability.
None.
We give them platforms.
We give them the highest seat of office sometimes.
We give them, oh, but because they're popular and they're going to defend this.
But yet the fruit of their words lack discernment.
How do we find discernment, gentlemen?
How do we get discernment?
How do we develop it?
That's a good question, but I think the answer lies in our relationship with the Lord and our relationship to the word.
We've talked today, I know, between programs about Bible reading, and I think it's very important for the believer to immerse him or herself in the word of God, to read daily, to glean from it, to learn the voice of their shepherd.
Because when you know his voice, when you understand his things, his teachings, his principles, what he considers to be sin, what he considers to be good things and great things, when we know that, then our actions are going to be directed by that.
So to get into the word of God, to allow him to illuminate our path through his words, then we will follow the right path.
We will walk in the places that we have seen lit, and then we are able to share what he has given us.
So I think getting into the word of God and to be able to recognize the voice of our shepherd is paramount.
It really is.
It's right here.
Well, if you don't know your shepherd's voice, then anyone can call out to you and you'll follow any voice.
If you don't know the voice, you'll follow any voice.
I've said that for many years.
You have to have that deep relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Friends, if you don't, I want to take this time.
If you don't have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, there has never been a better day to say yes to Jesus Christ.
If you need help praying that salvation prayer, call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
That number isn't just there so you can go to support the ministry and get the wonderful DVD sets and books from our different authors.
It's also there so that we can pray for you, so that we can have a member of our pastoral staff help you pray the salvation prayer and help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
Had someone one time reach out and said, well, what kind of denomination are you going to recommend?
And I said, I'll recommend any denomination that preaches the full word of God.
I'll recommend any denomination that preaches Christ and Christ crucified and preaches conviction and doesn't take away from the scripture and doesn't add from the scripture.
I believe in unity.
I believe in the body of Christ, friends.
If there was one absolute perfect denomination, I'd find it.
I'd join it and I'd probably ruin it.
It'd be my fault.
I'm telling you right now, but I'm telling you right now, I believe that there is a hand, there's an arm, there's shoulders, there's legs, there's knees, there's heads, there's toes, there's all different parts of the body that are important to the body that Christ is coming back for.
He didn't say, I'm coming back for a single denomination.
I'm coming back for this particular ideology.
No, no, friends, he's coming back for his body, his groom, his unified bride.
He's coming back for a single bride, friends.
We have to make sure we're a part of that unified body.
Does that mean we're going to agree on everything, every jot and every tittle?
No.
But we agree on the core salvation issues.
There's things that me and Mondo don't fully agree on.
And I love that.
You know what I'm saying?
I think there should be a dot.
He thinks it should be a T.
No worries.
We go on because we agree on the salvation issues, the things, you know, we're both opinionated, so that's just the way it is.
But if everyone agreed with everyone, I'm telling you right now, something would be off.
I just, you know, that's just the way it is.
So we'll help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
Apart from denomination, we want you to just be in the ecclesia.
We want you to be in the body of Christ.
How important is that?
You guys do really a lot of radio ministry.
You do television ministry.
You're writing books.
So you're casting the net wide for people to hear the message of Jesus.
But how important is it for people to get in the local church?
Oh, it's critical.
I mean, we need to be, you know, Jesus says, or actually the writer of Hebrews says, don't forsake the gathering of the brethren.
It's paramount, like you said, to be part of a Bible-teaching, Bible-believing church that proclaims the good news of Jesus Christ boldly.
Amen.
Because people need the Lord today.
People need to get into the word today.
We need to be doing life together.
You know, we assemble together to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.
So it is absolutely critical.
If you're a believer in Jesus Christ today, we were talking earlier about the rise of the nuns and the duns.
Remember, Mondo, we were talking about people, Christians who have been burned by quote unquote the church or quote unquote Christians.
And I would encourage you to pray and seek God and ask him to show you and lead you into a Bible-believing, Bible-teaching church.
Because in America today, not only do we have the rise of the nuns, people who don't affiliate religiously with any religion, but we also have, unfortunately, the rise of the duns, people who are professing Christians, many born again, who don't fellowship regularly, who are not part of a local body.
And the Christian life, like you just mentioned, the body.
We are not meant to live on an island.
We are meant to do life together as God's people.
You know, somebody asked me one time what I thought the whole purpose behind the COVID thing was, you know, because there's a lot of conspiracies out there.
There's a lot of theories out there, some conspiracy theories, you know.
They said, well, it's depopulation this.
And maybe there's some truth behind all of that, you know.
But I said, honestly, I truly believe that the number one goal of the entire thing was for the enemy to make believers think that they could do it on their own.
That I could do church online.
I don't need the body anymore.
Because right now, what do we see at churches across the United States shutting down?
I'm talking like churches went down.
Mano, you know a church personally.
I think you know the man personally.
He had what, like 15, some thousand members of his church.
Now he's sitting at a less than a thousand member church because they left the church and they never came back to the church.
And they are convinced.
I can do it by myself in the comfort of my home, friends.
I understand, let's say you're watching the show and you're in a nursing home and you can't travel to it.
I understand that there are very specific situations, but if you're a well-enabled body, you can get up and get to a church.
Get up and get to a church.
Get up and support your local church, whatever it is.
Go be on the serve team.
Shake hands.
Go wave the little cones in the parking lot.
Whatever it is you can do, go be a part of a body, friends.
It's important to be a part of it.
The devil tried to convince people during the COVID time.
Well, actually, I can do it on my own alone.
I can lone ranger my Christian walk.
It'll never work, friends.
You need the body of Christ because sometimes no matter where you are in your Christian walk, if you're a new Christian or if you've been a Christian for 80 years, faithfully serving the Lord, there'll be those things in the road that try to trip you up.
And I'll tell you right now, there's a difference between falling and there's a difference between stumbling and having a brother pick you up.
I've said this often.
You need those people in your life that'll be your stretcher carriers.
And what I mean by that is those people who will pick you up will see that you need something that is Jesus.
And no matter your condition, they'll take you to a home.
They'll rip off the roof.
They'll lower you down and put you in front of the feet of Jesus and say, this is your solution.
We need our brothers and sisters.
We need those around us that encourage us in the faith because sometimes life gets hard.
You'll face trials.
You'll face tribulations.
You'll go through hard times.
You'll have financial difficulties, marital problems, emotional problems.
You'll feel like you're depressed or anxious.
Well, friend, every single answer is found at the feet of Jesus.
Every single answer can be covered in the blood of Jesus and therefore it can be redeemed.
It can be made righteous.
It can be made holy.
I want you to live a holy life.
Why?
Because Christ lived a holy life.
Does that mean you're going to be perfect?
No.
But does that mean you'll have a common goal every single day to strive for righteousness?
Absolutely, friends.
Give your life to Jesus.
It'll be the most important decision you've ever made.
Clayton, as we go off today, I want to say thank you guys, everyone in the Southwest Radio Ministries, for doing this series with us.
You guys also did a series called PTL EDU, our educational series, which is going to come out this year, 2026.
I want to say thank you to everyone who's going to subscribe to the PTL Plus platform and help us continue to broadcast the uncentered gospel around the world.
But would you pray for our viewers as we go off the show today?
Absolutely.
Father, we come before you in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ, who serves as our great high priest, the anointed one in heaven with you, Lord.
We come only in his name, but we come boldly, as the author of Hebrews told us to do, to come to you, to ask you, Lord, for your blessing on the believers of this nation.
Lord, may we reach out, may we recognize the name of our and the voice of our shepherd, and may we follow his instructions and reach out to those around us, the lost, those who do not know Christ as Savior.
And Lord, we also pray for the believers that we would all take up the call, Lord, that we are not spectators, that we are called to serve.
The body of Christ, Lord, the church is a living body.
It's a body not just today, but it's a body that goes back 2,000 years and who knows how much further and what part do we play in this overall body.
We ask that you direct and that you guide and that you strengthen, Lord.
And we ask that you bless our efforts in the name of your son, Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Amen.
Thank you guys for being on the broadcast.
Friends, as we leave today, I'm going to leave you with three keys to success.
If you're wondering how to win in any situation in your life, here's three golden keys.
Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Jesus.
And I promise you, he'll bless your walk as you walk with him.
Remember this, God loves you.
He really does.
Thank you for supporting our network.
We love you guys.
And we'll see you again tomorrow on the PTL Television Network.
God bless you.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you.
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate you.
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