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April 30, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Dr. Dennis Lindsay, Derek and Sharon Gilbert, Dave Robbins and Carl Gallups
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Dennis's Heavenly Tour 00:15:01
Is the truth stranger than fiction?
Are there forces that are shaping the fate of humanity?
Today, we discuss aliens, AI, and the Antichrist with authors, experts, and biblical teachers.
Welcome to the 2025 Ready Now Expo, Aliens, AI, and the Antichrist.
Hello, everybody.
Welcome to this big, big event here at Morningside.
Yes.
Lori's even here.
Yes, she is.
I'm here.
I'm hiring.
I've missed you so much.
It's been about six months.
I was just sharing with our guests.
You've been taking care of me.
Yes, I'm your, I guess they call you caregiver.
Yes.
Oh, I hate to talk about this, but everybody said, where have you been?
You know, I've been in bed.
But we try to get him out as much as possible, right, Mondo, man.
The only way to get him out of bed is either ice cream or the dogs.
I do get out of bed and exercise.
Yeah, you do.
I'm learning to walk again.
And I want you to pray that I'll be able to walk without, you know, cane or anything.
And I believe I will be able to.
Then you will.
Amen.
And I want to thank you, honey, for staying with me and cooking for me.
She cooks for you?
Taking care of me.
Wow.
Stop, baby.
Sorry, you can edit that out.
We're live, Lori.
Even if we were live.
Listen, I found three things that I didn't know about her in the last 27 years.
You want to know what that is?
Well, I don't know.
She wanted to be named Tina.
I did.
Never in my life.
27 years I knew that.
You ran tracks.
I did.
You were a runner.
Yes, even though I was short, but I was really fast.
And you cook?
Yeah.
That's pretty amazing.
Man.
Do y'all need some counseling?
I'm a pastor.
Oh, my God.
Counselor, Carol.
Thorough Gel.
If I can help.
I just turned 85, so I need a lot of counseling.
This is not your typical Christian show, right?
No.
Dennis Lindsay is here somewhere.
Yes.
There he is.
There he is.
He is the president, I believe, of Christ for the Nations, CEO and president.
And my son, Ricky, went to that college.
Yes, that's right.
And I recommend that school to anybody who wants to get a good Bible education.
Absolutely.
They teach the Bible.
And Dennis, I'm happy.
Tell me your lineage a little bit because I know you have a lineage.
Can you tell me that?
Yeah, in a nutshell.
Back in the, around 1945, the Lord put something on my dad's heart to start Christ for the Nations, only it was then it was called the voice of healing.
And he then began to put it together with all of the different ministers, evangelists, healing.
And then he went to heaven in 19, what was it, 1973?
And my mom took it over.
So together they were leaders of the ministry for 40 years.
And then my mother did a surprise in 1985.
She asked the board to elect me as president.
And it shocked me and it shocked everybody.
And then for 20, I mean, for 40 years now, after my dad and mother ran it for 40 years, my wife and I, Ginger, we ran it for 40 years and I just passed it off this past December after 40 years.
Now my son, Golan, and his wife are going to take it to the next level until the Lord returns.
That's amazing.
And I just have to say, Dr. Lindsay, that I adored your mother, Frida.
You have no idea.
She saw, I think I asked her for an autograph one time in my Bible.
She was so precious and sweet.
I loved her so much.
I learned so much from Frida Lindsay, your mom.
So thank you just for sharing her with all of us, with the world.
Amen.
Dr. Lindsay, you wrote a book called Fallen Angels and the Return of the Nephilims.
That'll interest you guys down there.
Oh, that's right up our alley.
And could you talk about that book a little bit?
Yes.
I've been teaching a biblical view of creation now for over 50 years.
It's a hobby.
I can't stop.
My dad passed it on to the, by the Lord.
And so I started teaching it back in 1970.
And I'm still teaching a biblical view of creation with the students every year.
And something happened.
Every year, for over 40 years, Ginger and I have taken a group to Israel.
And on one occasion, we're up by the Sea of Galilee.
And my sister, who's lived there now over 50 plus years with her husband and family, she was with us.
And I asked her, have you ever been to the Stonehenge up by the Sea of Galilee, Israel's stone chin?
And she says, what are you talking about?
So I showed her a picture.
And she said, Dennis, that's not here in Israel.
I said, yes, it's right by the Sea of Galilee.
She said, Dennis, I've lived here for 45 years and I know every place in this little tiny country.
I said, go look on the web.
So she goes and looks on the web and then she comes back and she says, what is this?
I've never heard of it.
And I said, yeah, well, after the six-day war, when Israel took the Golan Heights, they found it.
And then I asked our bus driver, I said, do you want to go up there?
And she says, we can't go up there, I don't think.
Well, then I asked our bus driver, our tour guide, can we go up there?
And he says, oh, no, that's all military.
So we can't.
Well, then after that, my sister said, let me see your manuscript that you're working on concerning megalithic giants.
And so I gave it to her and she came back a week later and she said, Dennis, I have to edit your book.
And I says, why?
She says, this book is not just for you believers that you're writing it for, but it's also for non-believers and especially the Jewish people.
I said, you're going to be kidding.
She said, no, even though she would, every time I wrote a book on biblical view of creation, she would always edit it and make it into Hebrew, but then she would not really show any interest.
This is the first book that she really had an interest.
And she says, I got to take your book.
And I said, what are you going to do with it?
I got to take all of your Christian jargon out and we'll save it to the end of the book so people won't be turned off if they read it and they see that you're a believer, a Christian.
So she did.
And then when we printed it, it went wild.
It was unreal what happened.
Everybody and several people picked it up and began to print it.
And believe it or not, it is the number one seller and it's being advertised.
And I wrote it back in 2015.
And so 20, 10 years has been going on and it's still a number one hit.
So I'm not sure what the Lord was doing, but my sister is responsible for putting that book into print.
What's interesting is when I was writing it and putting it together, in fact, I asked our guide, can we go up there?
And he says, oh, no, it's all military.
Well, we went on down to Jerusalem from there, from Sea of Galilee.
And in our hotel, we met one of our old tour guides who fought in the Six Day War up on the Golan Heights.
And he was our guide for many years.
And I asked him, can you take us up there?
And he says, sure.
And the following year, when we came back, he took us up there and he says, you are the first tour guide, first tour that has ever been allowed to go up there.
So that just happened.
And so that book, I began to study years in advance back in around 2010 about the megalithic structures around the world.
And so the Lord then put it together in this book.
So the first third of the book are these megalithic structures all around the world.
And then I deal with how did they build them?
Because even this place up on the Golan Heights called, well, I call it the Israel Stonehenge.
What is interesting is about how that was built.
And the Jewish archaeologists say they don't know who built it or how it was built.
There had to be something like giants to move these.
What is it?
It's like 40,000 blocks up to 20 tons apiece.
How were they moved?
And it's way back when the days when there were Stone Age people and these were Stone Age people.
No, no, no.
There was something going on in the heavens.
And then I really studied Genesis chapter 4.
I mean, chapter 6, 1 through 4.
And it began to open up my eyes concerning the fallen angels that were so involved.
And I studied these megalithic structures all over the world.
And the first third of the book, it deals with these megalithic monuments like Stonehenge, like the pyramids of Egypt.
In fact, the Jewish archaeologists actually say that this little place up on the Golan Heights is older than the pyramids of Egypt and the Stonehenge in England.
So that kind of caught my attention.
And I studied these megalithic structures all around the world.
The first third of the book deals with these megalithic structures and nobody knows how they were built.
There had to be some supernatural power.
And that's what I deal with.
And I say it had to be something with the fallen angels.
So that's the first third of the book.
Wow.
Wow.
So you believe in fallen angels?
Yes.
They must have been very powerful.
Yes.
What were they like?
Can you explain them to us?
You know, there are so many documentaries out on it now.
It just boggles my mind how many people are involved looking at it from a biblical standpoint and from a secular standpoint.
And so I have really studied it.
And I believe it's very obvious now, the more you study what's going on, that it's a picture of what is about to happen again.
This happened before the flood of Noah's Day.
And people have asked, why would God wipe out all of the human beings as well as all of the animals on the planet earth?
Something terrible was going on.
There's something to do with hybrids.
And the Lord says, it's not.
They're violating my own commandments.
And so I'm going to wipe out all of the humans and all of the people that were involved with these fallen angels and wipe them off and start again with Noah and his family.
So that is what I've done to show the whole picture of how it began and what happened at the time before the flood of Noah's Day.
And it's getting ready to happen again.
In the coming days, watch what the enemy is going to be allowed to do in the coming days before the Lord returns or even after he returns.
I don't know how that figured out, but it's coming again.
What happened in the days of the Noah before the flood?
It's going to be happening again.
So be ready.
And the Lord has one little thing that I'll share at the very end.
You got to be ready for.
Can you explain a little bit about what's coming?
Deception.
In other words, Satan, just the way he did it with Adam and Eve.
Eve, I mean, she didn't even get accepted.
It didn't bother her that some sort of a creature that we call a serpent.
And now we know that it's probably more than a serpent.
A fallen angel was involved.
And it could have been Satan, the Lucifer.
So that is what was going on back then.
And going to be allowed to do it again before the Lord returns.
The fallen angels are going to be able to make hybrids of creatures that are half this and half that.
And that was what was going on before the flood of Noah's Day.
And the Lord says, uh-uh, wipe them out.
They are not to be around.
And now Satan is going to be doing that again.
So be ready.
Watch what's coming in the area of technology and zoology.
Satan is out to make hybrids again.
People, and he wants to do it with human beings, human beings that are half this and half that.
And God says they cannot be redeemed if they allow it.
So that's why I say, watch out for what Jesus said to the disciples.
And he said it several times when he was explaining what to expect before he returns.
And he says, watch out for deception.
Watch out for deception.
Watch out for deception.
The very thing that Eve, she was deceived and Adam was deceived.
So now it's getting ready to come again.
As it was in the day of Noah, shall it be that is powerful.
Luke 17.
Yeah, Luke 17.
Thank you.
Do you understand what he says is with us?
We love you, Dave Robbins.
This is Dave Robinson.
Did I say Robertson?
That's my problem.
God called Jim to speak Christian TV or any kind of anything, but he has a hard time speaking English.
Seriously.
It's hysterical.
Join the club.
Well, you got your first language of Spanish.
So we'll get to that.
I think you have one of the greatest TV shows in the world.
That's right.
Thank you.
And it's on our network, too.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
What do you think of what he just said?
Well, I believe in the deception part of it.
Signs of the Times 00:08:41
They asked Jesus, what's going to be the sign of your coming of the end of the age?
And he said, take heed that no man deceives you.
Many will come in my name, deceiving many.
So I mean, I would agree certainly with the deception portion of it.
I also understand that they're trying, if you understand, transhumanism, human and machine, and Elon Musk and things like that, trying to force those two entities together.
I understand that.
I'm more focused on with our ministry and what's coming between now and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
I'm not looking backwards, which I think is very important, but I'm looking in just a very few years just between now and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
And we're focused on that.
So totally agree.
I'd love to read the book, but don't claim to understand everything he just said.
Carl Alex is here with me.
Thank you.
That's my honor.
Thank you.
One of the most famous preachers in the world.
Well, I don't know about all that, but thank you.
But here's true.
Everybody knows who you are.
Well, but I'm just, what did you think about what he just said?
Well, I agree with a bunch of what he just said.
Not that I disagree with anything.
I'm just saying that I too have studied this out and preached on it, written books, done a lot of deep research.
Also, I'm very blessed to know a lot about the Hebrew language and even the Greek language and to be able to parse the nuances and the context.
And yeah, we don't know what we don't know.
I said that the last time we were here.
We do know what the word of God says.
Some of what it says is in black and white, especially if you understand Hebrew.
For example, Genesis chapter 6, verse 4.
And the sons of God, the B'nai Eluchim, came unto the daughters of men, had children by them.
And their offspring basically is what it says.
I'm paraphrasing, were the men of renown, giants, and on and on and on.
And then with that came violence.
And by the way, it says that this happened when men multiplied over the face of the earth.
And I think I'm going to get a chance to get into the details of what that word means in Hebrew.
But the point is, Satan timed it.
And there was something supernatural that happened in the fallen realm that changed everything on the earth.
And God said, oh, no, no, no, you've stepped over the line.
In fact, Jude and Peter speak about the angels that fell being put in the deepest, darkest dungeons of prison, of hell.
And it said they left their former estate, oikonos in Greek, which means their bodies.
I mean, Paul talks about oikonos.
It can mean a house, but he talks about his own body as an oikonos.
So these demonic entities, it said, left that and came into this realm.
Now, I know that sounds freaky to so many people, but it's what God's word says.
It's our problem if we don't understand it.
But the point is, in Luke 17 and in Matthew 24, but let me go to Luke 17.
Luke 17, Jesus told the people that asked him, Tell us the signs of the return of the Son of Man.
These were Pharisees.
They were going along the Jordan River road.
He was headed to Golgotha.
He was on his way to Jerusalem.
But when he gets there to Jerusalem, the disciples say, Tell us the signs of your coming.
And then he repeats some of it.
And in both places, this is what he said to the Pharisees on the road, which took about two weeks for them to come down to go up because they were stopping along the way.
They were rabbis and synagogues and three years of ministry.
They had all heard him, so they all had questions.
But he said to them, The coming, I'm going to paraphrase and quote, but he just basically looked at him and said, Well, I've told you for three years, but I'm going to tell you again: the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
And those words are used just like and just like the days of Lot.
Well, when you go back and study that all out, you realize there's a demonic realm in the days of Noah.
God, listen, God pushed the reset button on the whole planet.
This was evil.
And it had from the Garden of Eden to that time was probably about a thousand years, most scholars say.
So the whole earth, or at least the whole habitable area, was multiplied with humans.
And so that's when all of this took place.
And we also know that the general attitude of the people of Noah's day, they were eating and drinking and giving in marriage right up to the day the first splat came.
In other words, what that means is there's nothing evil about eating, drinking, giving in marriage.
That's not the point.
The point is they weren't paying attention to the signs of the times, to the evil around them, to the disacknowledgement of God, their creator, knowing that God would not put up with that.
And on the plains was an aircraft carrier size ship that Noah had been building for 120 years as a monument.
It was like the Disneyland of the old world.
You know, people would see it.
And so they had all the opportunity.
They heard the preaching and teaching.
Peter says that about Noah and Lot, preachers and teachers and men of righteousness warning their generation, but they didn't pay attention to it.
Same thing in the days of Lot, except their angelic beings showed up and God himself in the flesh, a theophany.
The three men that Abraham saw coming, two of them went down and got Lot and his family out.
But here's the thing that I want to tell Christians.
God has made it clear by those two illustrations.
And Paul writes about it in a veiled way.
Jesus said, we don't know the day or the hour.
That is true.
And I don't set dates.
I do know that Paul said, look, this is going to come.
These days are going to come like a thief in the night to the lost world.
And he doesn't say lost world, but then the next few sentences, he does.
He makes it clear.
It's going to come like a thief in the night.
And then he looks at, he talks to the church.
That's what the night.
And he says, but you, it will not come upon you like a thief in the night.
Right.
Because you are children of light.
Now, that means somehow we will know when it gets right there.
We will know.
We'll look at Noah, look at Lot.
Seven days before the flood came, God told Noah, now, seven days from now, guess what he told him?
The day.
He didn't tell him the hour, but he said, seven days from now, it's coming.
You move everything out of your house, get in the ark by sight, and I'm going to bring the animals to you now.
So he was working.
He was in and out of the ark.
He wasn't hiding in the ark.
He was working, but he moved everything into the ark.
God said, seven days.
Then, Lot.
The angels came.
They went through that whole rigmarole with the men of the city coming and all that.
And finally, they got in the house and they got safe.
And the angel looked at Lot.
The angels looked at lot and said, tomorrow morning, we're out of here because it's coming.
Now he knows the day.
See, this is what Paul was talking about.
Right up to that time, deception is going to be everywhere.
Violence, all of this stuff.
Men's hearts will fail them.
All of these things are going to be happening.
But you will know if you're under the blood and born again and bought by Jesus.
Fixed.
That's why the writer of Hebrews says in chapter 12, fix your eyes on Jesus.
He's the author, the perfecter, and finisher of our faith.
He will not leave you alone.
You are children of him.
You are the light.
He is the light.
Children of the light.
You will not be left in darkness.
This day will not overtake you like a thief in the night.
That's why it says even the very elect will be deceived, but it doesn't put a period.
Wow.
If that were possible, meaning we're humans, we're not robots.
God's not going to make us see something.
But if we are walking with him, we know even the very elect will wake up one day and say, that's unbelievable.
Everything I've believed is not right.
And then you go, wait a minute.
No, this is the deception.
This is it.
And then somehow, like he did Noah and like he did Lot, God's going to let us know.
I don't know how.
I just know Jesus said it'll be just like those days.
And those are some of the biggest elements of those days.
So that's why I'm keeping my eyes on Jesus.
Jared Sharon.
I want you to comment on what we just heard from our special guest from Dr. Lindsay.
Mount Hermon's Mystery 00:07:04
Well, I want to say that it's, again, it's exciting to hear that there are credentialed scholars who are seeing in the ancient world what we've been studying.
In fact, we wrote a book called Veneration, Sharon to Me, about the cult of the Nephilim and how they inspired the Canaanites, the Amorites who lived around ancient Israel to worship the spirits of these demigods, the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
That's a fascinating study.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
From you, that's high praise.
Oh, no, no.
I mean, it is.
We've also learned, and this is, again, from secular scholars, it's not, say, the Greek mythology of characters like Hercules and Perseus.
It's not that because the Greeks believed that Perseus was the son of Poseidon and Hercules was the son of Zeus, that, oh, okay, they're demigods, they must be like Nephilim.
No, there are secular scholars who've looked at the language and can show etymologically that the term used by the ancient Greek poets to describe the demigods who lived during the golden age before the flood when Kronos ruled in heaven is derived from the same Semitic root from which we get the word Rephaim.
In other words, the spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood.
Now, why is this relevant to us today?
It was the understanding of Jews of Jesus' day, the apostles, the early church.
They understood that demons were the spirits of the giants who were destroyed in the flood of Noah.
Now, this isn't in the Bible.
This is in the book of 1 Enoch, and there are reasons that 1 Enoch is not in the Bible.
There are some internal contradictions in 1 Enoch, which is why it's not in there.
But it is quoted.
It is quoted.
Jude directly quotes from 1 Enoch.
And Dr. Michael Heiser, in fact, wrote the book, Reversing Hermon, which goes into detail in the New Testament theology that is not written in any prior Jewish text before the book of 1 Enoch.
For example, the existence of angels who sinned, other than sort of the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6, but that's not explicit.
Anyway, it was understood by the early church, demons were the spirits of these giants.
That was the case.
That was like Christianity 101 for like the first 400 years after the resurrection until Augustine came along and he popularized the sons of Seth theory, which is what's taught in seminaries to this day.
That's what I learned until I studied and read the word.
The area north of the Sea of Galilee, where Dr. Lindsay was discussing Gilgal Rephaim, the Golan Heights, that area is loaded with megalithic structures devoted to this cult of the Rephaim.
We know this from ancient Canaanite texts.
Jesus based his ministry there.
Yes.
We argue in our new book, The Gates of Hell, that that's where Jesus was baptized, not down near Jericho, where UNESCO has a world heritage site.
They're digging in the wrong place indeed.
It's north of the Sea of Galilee.
Jesus declared his divinity at the base of Mount Hermon.
Why is that significant?
Because Mount Hermon is where, according to 1 Enoch, these rebellious sons of God descended and made a mutual pact to corrupt the human bloodline by commingling with human women and teaching us things we weren't supposed to know.
Jesus declared war on these demonic spirits from the very beginning of his ministry.
He declared his divinity there.
Then he climbed a very high mountain six days later, according to the Gospel of Matthew, where he was transfigured.
That's it.
He declared his divinity to the spirit realm.
Caesarea Philippi.
Caesarea.
The base of Mount Hermon.
The grotto of Pan.
So this is relevant to us today because it was important to Jesus.
And if it's important to Jesus, it should probably be important to us.
And he said all of that just a couple of weeks before he offered himself on the cross.
Because when he came down from the mountain, he sent his 70 out ahead of him into Galilee.
Then he made his way down to Jerusalem to fulfill his mission.
He essentially poked the spirit realm in the eye.
And so, what are you going to do about it?
And they sent him to the cross.
And as Paul wrote, if the archons, if the rulers of the age had understood what was being revealed through the apostles and the prophets, they would not have crucified the Lord of 1 Corinthians chapter 2 figured on the top of Mount Hermon, sent up a flare to the fallen world and said, Come get me.
Yeah, that's essentially the Canaanite Mount Olympus is where he did this.
Yes, it is.
And so, again, all of this in that geographic region between Mount Hermon, the northern border of Israel today, and the Sea of Galilee, supernaturally supercharged in the days of Jesus.
And that's exactly where he based his ministry.
Absolutely.
This is so good.
Didn't I love it when we were in Galilee?
Okay, I don't want to go into it, man.
It's a big deal.
But it was a big deal to go into the Galilee.
Dr. Lindsay, what is the purpose of the flood?
Can you just tell the people that?
In a nutshell, it was to protect the coming Messiah so that there's no hybrid coming in to disrupt what God had planned through the Messiah, Jesus.
And so he wiped out everything that was going on before the flood because of the hybrids.
What's interesting is the fish were not wiped out.
And you can see, apparently, something was messing with the fish deep down in the ocean.
They are ugly.
They are full of devilish-looking looks.
So something was going on in the ocean, but it was also going on on land.
So the Lord wipes out everything on land because of what the hybrids or what the angels, the fallen angels, were up to.
And the Lord says, no more.
And so he wipes it all out and starts again with Moses.
I mean, with Noah and his family to protect the coming of the Messiah.
So that's what I believe the flood was all about: to protect the coming of the Messiah that he had planned from the beginning of the ages.
Wow.
Interesting.
Dave, I'm thrilled to have you here.
You're one of my favorite Bible teachers.
Oh, don't say that.
Look at all these guys here.
Well, they're.
These are all our favorites, honestly, Jim, right now.
I'm humbled to be sitting here with everybody.
I was going to say about myself.
Totally humbled just to be sitting here.
The city beneath Egypt's Gaza pyramids could be proven true, fundamentally reshape what we believe.
If proven true.
Sure.
So if proven true is the key phrase.
I've actually read some of that, and there are other scholars and archaeologists and things that say that it's like a sonar that they use to go down and look at the pyramid, like you would map the topography of the bottom of the ocean.
Giant Rocks and Hidden Cities 00:03:42
They use something like that to look at the pyramid in Giza, Egypt's pyramid, and to say, okay, there's eight huge pillars that go way down into the ground, and they go into parallels and different things.
And they say that there's an ancient city under there, that they've exposed this.
But there are other people that say, I don't know if they have that kind of technology.
They didn't use that.
The archaeologist Society of Egypt said that they haven't even done that.
So there's people that are going back and forth.
I would have to see a lot more documentation and do my research to be able to even comment on that because I don't know if it's even true or not.
I know I read the Jerusalem Post.
I read several others in New Yorker, a lot of them.
So there's contradictory reports going on that whether it even happened, or one of them looked at it who had been doing this for a very long time.
And he said, look, he said, I looked at it.
I saw some little different images and things, but I couldn't even make them out to be huge pillars that went way down, like 2,400 feet in the ground or something like that.
So now, the second part of your question was: could that change how we look at what was the fundamentally reshape our understanding of human history?
In my opinion, no.
Because what I go to is, I use this book right here, Jim.
Amen.
And there's documentaries, and I know there are commentaries, and there are all kinds of things like that.
I've had a lot of people ask me what commentary would you recommend?
And I'm like, I'm not sure I have one that I would recommend.
I go to this book because I believe God put everything in this book that we need to figure out what all we need.
Because what my ministry is geared towards is getting people into heaven.
That's what I'm geared.
We've got a little bit of time left before Jesus Christ splits those clouds wide open and establishes his kingdom here on the earth.
And we've got just over 8 billion people on the earth.
What do I have to do to get as many people as possible into that kingdom?
That's what I'm devoted to.
So if I look back at some of this stuff way back thousands of years, and I love reading books and studying that kind of stuff, but I'm focused on just the few years that we have left.
And like Pastor Gallup said, Jesus is coming as a thief in the night.
There will be people that simply do not understand these prophecies.
What's coming?
Just like the first coming.
There were so many prophecies in the Old Testament, messianic prophecies, that they didn't even know the Messiah was here.
They were staring the Messiah right in the face.
They didn't know he was here because they didn't understand the prophecies.
Now, the Bible says most of the world coming up to his second coming won't understand those prophecies.
That's what we're geared towards.
So when I look at things like this, I'm focused on, hey, what can I prove?
What do I know?
What can I document?
And how can I use that to get you involved in what's happening right here in the end time and get you focused on the second coming of Jesus Christ?
I want to put the kingdom of God that everybody in this room, everybody listening, is going to stare Jesus right in the face before very long.
I want to put that kingdom of God on your radar.
That's my goal.
Amen.
There's excellence.
Thank you.
There's so much on television these days.
And I've had a chance to watch a lot of television, but they question all these giant rocks and pyramids and everything.
Do you think that these giants were part of that building, that technology?
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I've never even studied that before.
I wouldn't even know how to comment on that.
I mean, I've got to go to things that I can document and prove.
There may be, I'm not saying I'm any smarter or more intelligent or more spiritual than anybody.
I'm just saying I've never studied that.
Right.
There are people that have studied that and can lay that out for you, Jim.
I'm the wrong one to ask that question.
These guys here, that's right up their alley.
So I'll pass the pass.
And this is my love, Dave Robbins, right there, because we've just been thrown under it.
We have a good friend, Dr. Judd Burton.
He and Aaron Judkins have been studying a structure that's really, really old that was just recently discovered in Turkey.
Yeah, about 30 years ago.
Yeah.
And the question is, why was it built?
What was it used for?
And why was it buried?
Yeah.
And you can ask that same question about very close to Gilgal Refaim, which was Israel Stonehenge.
Yeah, it's called Gobekli Tepe.
There's a similar phenomenon that was observed there when they excavated there on the serpent-shaped ridge.
Oh, yeah.
About a quarter of a mile away from Israel Stonehenge.
There's a ridge about 20 to 25 feet high that's about 200 feet wide, about three quarters of a mile long.
So it's like the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio, except it's three times longer, four times higher, and it's covered with megalithic tombs.
This, as Dr. Lindsay said, is much older than the pyramids in Egypt.
The archaeologist, Dr. Mike Freakman, that we spent the day there with dates it to about 3,700 BC.
And some of those megalithic tombs on the back of this serpent-shaped ridge are just like Gilgal Raphael.
They're miniature versions of it.
So that shape was very important to them.
And Derek and I believe that it might have been a priestly class who were living on the back of that ridge.
And so they were there when the local people would come to celebrate rituals at that site.
And they would, we believe, circumnavigate to the left.
Circumambulate.
Circumambulate.
Sorry about that.
To the left.
And the ring structure was important because we believe that they thought they were communing with the underworld.
Yeah.
With what they claimed were their ancestors, but they weren't.
These are the entombed angels and the demons that now roam the earth.
And the amount of rock that was placed there for Gilgal Raphael, they estimated about 60,000 tons.
To compare that to Stonehenge, Stonehenge, they estimated 2,500.
So 60,000 tons of stone almost 6,000 years ago.
You had a civilization that was organized enough to move all of that.
Now, were they giants?
We have no way to prove that.
And we're like Reverend Robbins here.
We're not going to say that, yes, we know this for a fact.
We can't prove it.
I think the more important question is, why did they spend so much time and effort to do this instead of growing food or herding their own?
How do they do it?
What do you have to say?
Well, I want to comment on several of these things.
And I'm in agreement with this.
I'm not trying to just walk the fence.
I agree with everybody.
But no, but listen, back to the pyramids.
And one of the things, as he was explaining, we don't know because there are so many unanswered questions.
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One of them, to me, seems the most scientific dispute about underground cities is that geologists know what the water table of Egypt was in ancient days and what it is now.
And it would be impossible for there to be all of that structure and living quarters and cities that deep underneath it because the water table is only like a couple hundred feet deep.
And so, but these go down, what, a thousand feet or more, supposedly?
So that's impossible.
So, you know, there's still a lot of questions to be answered about that.
I agree with Pastor Dave about, you know, the word of God.
And people ask, what's the best commentary I can get?
Here's my answer.
I think it's the same as his.
The best commentary on the word of God is the word of God.
Which is why.
Which is why.
That same word says, study, and that means study this to show yourself approved, to be a workman able to accurately handle the word of God.
Now, what that means is you've got to go from Genesis to Revelation.
You've got to do the hard work of connecting things.
You've got to know something about the languages.
You don't have to be a Hebrew or Greek expert.
No, we've got all kinds of tools for that now.
But even if it's just in the English, to at least take those words and connect them with others, understanding that sometimes there are unfortunate translations from Hebrew to English or Greek to English.
And so that's where some more hard work comes in.
That's what the word study means.
Hard work, hard work.
Okay, but when you do, you come up with amazing things.
Now to the giant issue.
Here's the deal.
Yeah, all of this is fascinating to me.
And I've read a bunch of books and his books and other books.
And I think they're dead on.
I've been to Gilgal Rafaim with these guys.
We were there.
Saw it with my own eyes.
The monolithic structures all over the world begged to be answered to.
But let's stick to the word of God.
Here's what we know, and here's what we don't know.
What we know, according to the word of God, there were giants in the land before the floods and after the Bible says.
And then we run into them with Goliath and his four brothers.
Then we run into him with Og up at Mount Hermon, his kingdom, the giant at Mount Hermon.
He had a king, one of the last giants, I think, mentioned in the Bible.
So you go from Genesis all the way through the Old Testament and you read about giants in the land when they went, when they sent the 12 spies into the promised land.
They came back terrified.
They said, We look like grasshoppers.
We can't defeat them.
There's no way.
I mean, giants, giants, giants.
Okay, I want to ask Dr. Lindsay right now.
Can I finish this?
Were giants involved in the construction of megagothic structures around the globe?
Yeah, I've been teaching a class called Supernatural Science, and it has to do with not only God's good science, but also the devil's science.
I went around the world and I've been teaching this, visiting all of these places that are unbelievable.
We're not just talking about in Israel, we're talking about in Africa, we're talking about in South America, we're talking about in the islands of the Pacific and in North America.
It's unreal.
And there are questions of how and who built these things.
They're all around the world.
And I've got pictures of them all.
And I teach this with the students.
Hey, the devil is around and he's going to be coming back with supernatural powers before the Lord returns to deceive us.
Just the way he deceived Adam and Eve, he's going to do something to make us go after him and allow us to get some sort of a spot or whatever you want to call it to cause us to be a hybrid of Satan.
And that's what I believe.
It's all around the world.
And these places that you can go and visit, you can look them up on the web, it's unreal how they were built.
All you can say is there had to be something there, supernatural power, and not to mention giants.
And so the second part of my book is about these giants.
The first, I deal with it in the first part, but the second part is what the Bible says about these giants.
And it's true.
They didn't just say one or two little things about Goliath.
It's all the way through there.
All the different names of giants are out there.
And I put it in my book.
And then I deal in the third of it, what the Lord says is going to be happening in the last days.
And so the last part of the book that of the fallen angels and the return of the Nephilim is what's going on in the world today in technology.
And I'm talking about something that our dear friend, I love listening to her.
You know who I'm talking about?
She's sitting right over there, and I need to say hi to her.
To my sharing.
Gilbert.
Sharon.
I mean, my goodness.
She knows a lot about what I'm talking about.
And I listened to her a number of times on your show in the past.
So, anyway, I believe in the giants.
I didn't used to believe in it.
You know, that was just for Hollywood.
But now something is saying, hey, there were giants that did these megalithic structures and built them in times past.
And we don't know how they built them or when they built them or what the Lord is going to be doing now in the future with what Satan's going to be doing.
I better stop right here and let someone else speak.
So good, Doctor.
Yes, wow.
Yes, Pastor Carl.
No, I'm just going to say something.
Sorry.
I have been studying all these things all over the world the last two years.
The devil put me to bed, and so you got to do something.
So I study all this.
I've seen the pyramids.
I've seen the great structures.
I've seen the huge rocks that nobody could pick up unless they had equipment.
So I don't know.
I'm not a great student like you guys are, but I have studied this enough to know something built a lot of what we see all over the world.
They're huge structures.
It would take great cranes to move them today.
And they didn't have cranes back then.
And so when you say, could they have great giants that the Bible describes in their technology?
How many believe there were giants?
Everybody here believes there's giants?
And that's because we believe that's right here.
It's the word of God.
It's right there.
Genesis, yes.
Could all those structures in the world, are they there?
Some of them could have.
I've seen them.
I've studied them.
There are great stone structures all over the world.
What does that mean for us today?
That's what I want to say.
How does that build them without some supernatural or because it was supernatural?
No, I have to throw something in here real quick.
Pastor Carl, you're going to finish your point.
Hold that point because I know you.
But I just have to say something real quick.
Okay.
We have what's called Sight and Sound Theater here.
David is playing right now.
It is the greatest production I have ever seen.
Jim has ever seen.
Everybody should go and see David at Sight and Sound Theater.
And when they show Goliath, oh boy.
Have you ever seen it?
You're going, wait a minute.
That was a giant.
I wish I could send all of you.
I know the owner of it, and I'd like to get you diggers for it if I could, but it's the greatest production I've ever seen.
It will blow you away.
I mean, it's.
I know, I believe it.
It's scripture.
For you guys to say that, I believe it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But let's go on with this because we've got to establish how did all these giant things get built when they didn't have cranes?
They didn't have electronics.
Yeah.
Well, I'm going to finish what I was saying.
I think I would go there and then pull it together.
What does this mean?
What does this mean to us?
Yes.
Bottom line is, as we've all established, the Bible is clear.
There were giants before the flood.
There were giants after the flood.
They were giants in King David's day.
There were giants in, you know, Aug of Raphaim or last of the remnant of the Reformation.
Okay, Pastor, so we have the right to believe that there were giants.
Yes, no, we do.
Absolutely.
Now, the rest of it is speculation, but some of it can be biblical speculation and even scientific speculation and even engineering speculation.
But the bottom line is we have to, in this world without those kinds of giants, come to grips with the fact they did exist and the Bible says it all the way through.
So we look at these structures and we, it's, it's fun.
It's great.
It's great to research it and to figure these things out.
Some of those structures, we simply don't have the technology now to build it.
I mean, we just don't.
So where did that come from?
So all of that speaks to the ancient past.
Watch this.
And the fallen world, okay?
We're still living in Satan's world.
And the bottom line is when Jesus came, went to Golgotha, rose from the dead, birthed the church by the Holy Spirit of God, he shook the demonic realm.
He shook the heavens.
He shook the cosmos with that, which is what it was intended to do.
So we're living on the other side of that in the time of grace, if you will.
We have the opportunity.
My brother David said, come to Christ, come to Christ, come to Christ.
And all of this stuff is all interesting.
I'm all in on studying it, teaching, preaching what I know, but I'm like Pastor Dave, and that is all of that should lead us to listening to Jesus again.
The last days will be just like the days of Noah.
Amen.
Just like the days of Lot.
So what do you do?
You put your eyes on Jesus, you come under the blood, you get saved, and then you get out there and be the ambassador for the kingdom, the coming kingdom that he's called us to be.
So it all goes together, but when you stay just inside the Bible, you come up with almost everything we've just talked about, almost everything we've just talked about.
The rest of it is deep study and deep investigation, which needs to be done.
And it's fun to do it.
And sometimes we have to speculate, but we say we speculate within the Bibles and history.
So we come up with some ideas.
But the bottom line is we don't know what we don't know, but we do know what God's word says.
And just stay right there and you will be fine.
But keep digging and keep studying.
Yes.
Fix our eyes upon Jesus.
Fix our eyes upon Jesus.
The field is ripe unto harvest.
Yes.
And the laborers are few.
That's right.
Those of us who have been called to that labor, we need to get it on.
We need to get out there and do our job.
Because time is.
It's time.
It's time.
And I appreciate all the research these guys are doing on this, too.
But the world is asking questions.
How did they get built?
Well, but they're asking the questions.
What's up in space now?
What are those fine objects?
That's the way to give them the gospel.
That's it.
You start with that question, and then you say, I could show you out of the Bible.
Yeah.
And you don't even have to go into the speculation.
And a lot of it's good.
And a lot of it's scientific.
Some of it is historical.
And some of it even squares up with the Bible.
But you don't even have to do that to lead people to Christ.
You just say something like I said.
Not that I said it perfectly.
But yeah, the Bible speaks of fallen angels and of these monolithic things and the times of the giants and all of the evil.
The Bible speaks of that, but it also speaks of Golgotha and an empty tomb and the birth of the church and the preaching of the gospel.
And that's where we are.
And by the way, we're still living.
Watch this.
Jesus said this in Satan's world.
That's right.
Until he sets his feet on the Mount of Olives.
Now he's redeemed it.
It's his.
I liken it to use a sports analogy.
This will help a lot of people because a lot of people say, well, if it's Satan's world, then, you know, why was Golgotha?
I mean, how can you say we're on the winning side?
Satan's still winning.
The bottom line, it's like a sports analogy, a football game.
It's the fourth quarter.
It's the last minute.
We are on the winning side.
We're on the enemy's 10-yard line.
The clock is ticking.
We're ahead, 100-to-0.
The other team cannot win, but the game is still going on until the last trumpet, excuse me, the buzzer blows.
But when the last trumpet blows, game over.
Wow.
Game over.
That's a great answer.
And so the thing is, stay on the winning side.
See, Satan cannot have your soul if you're born again and under the blood.
But what he can do is take you out of the game and put you on the bench.
That's it.
And that's what he will do to Christians.
That's why he's always attacking Christians to get us out of the game, put us on the bench, shut up our mouths, take away, I mean, depress us, discourage us, and get us all worked up.
That's what Satan's trying to do to believers.
And one of the things I think we're here to do is to give you encouragement and hope, understanding to why, why, why?
Always, if you see something you can't understand or you're thinking, why did they think that way?
Why are they doing this?
Because we live in Satan's world and he's getting in the head and ears of every last person on the planet.
I'm going to ask all four of you.
Hell, boy, just jump in.
We have a few minutes left.
They're spotting flying objects in the sky.
Some of them are long cylinders and they're all different sizes.
Do you think they're from outer space?
Are they from heaven?
Strong delusion.
Strong delusion.
Really?
The enemy doesn't care what we believe as long as it's not Jesus.
Jesus.
That's right.
That's it.
Hmm.
Yeah, I will address it since everybody else got quiet.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I think there are hints of the delusion having something to do with interdimensional.
I mean, it's not a hint.
Ephesians 6 says that, but an interdimensional thing that's happening in the last days.
Jesus said that with days of Noah, interdimensional.
Days of Lot, interdimensional.
So that's got to be a part of it.
But as far as like Dave was saying the other day, we were doing a program and he said, look, a lot of this, we just don't know.
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We don't know.
But the bottom line is you don't have to know what it is to be lied to or deceived or deluded.
You don't have to know.
And so as long as you have government figures, military figures, I know we've had these secret meetings and military figures are coming in there, whistleblowing.
But how do you know they're not lying?
How do you know they don't have an agenda?
How do you know they're not part of the evil side?
Do you agree there's great evil in the world?
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So the bottom line is, I think, I think, now this is my Carl Galf's opinion.
I think that this whole UFO thing can be a part of this great delusion and getting people eyes off Jesus, the word of God, because what do these things in the sky say to most of the world?
See?
See, we come from somewhere else.
That Bible's a lie.
Jesus is a lie.
Those Christians are idiots.
Look, you see.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Do you all believe that we are in the end times, and I hate to say all hell, but all hell is going to break loose on earth.
We are living in the most prophetic times.
Are there going to be things that we had not thought of?
Probably.
Probably.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, we don't know what we don't know.
God's told us what we need to know.
Well, God has shown you things that are going to happen, and I don't want to tell you.
Well, right now we have all these amazing guests that you can come back and tell them.
I want you to study to find out what's going to happen before Jesus comes.
And according to what God has been speaking to me, it's going to be perilous times.
And that's what he said in the Bible.
But there are going to be awful things like bombs drop and explosions and earthquakes.
I can see that.
All kinds of things happening.
We are calling this whole event the Ready Now Expo.
That's right.
Trying to get people ready for it.
So how are we going to get ready?
Yeah.
It's right there in the Word.
Do you think you ought to have food to eat?
Do you think you store food?
Yes.
I've got a lot of food for about a month.
When the Lord ministered, he began with the physical need first.
He sure did.
And then he preached.
We begin with the physical need or the question.
That's right.
And then we preach.
And you're here.
Oh, I wish I'd been here just to ask you all questions.
Noah and Joseph were the greatest preppers on the planet.
That's right.
Thank you.
And I mean, you can't say.
And listen, I live in Hurricane Alley.
You do.
We're always trying to stock up in case we got two or three weeks or two or three months of no grocery buying gas stations down.
I've been in several of those hurricanes where everything was closed for months.
Dr. Lindsey, do you believe you need to prepare?
Yes, the thing that I believe the Lord is saying, two things.
One is deception is coming.
So be prepared what the enemy is going to do to try to do the very thing that he did to Eve, deceive her.
And he's going to do the same thing.
So that's number one.
And the second thing is keep your eyes on Israel and pray for Israel.
Amen.
Amen.
That's right.
And I'm telling you, the king is coming.
Yes, he is.
And the earth is going to shake like never before.
Things are going to happen on this earth.
And let's keep the gospel on the air.
Amen.
Amen.
Let's keep your show going.
Amen.
I'm into that.
All you have shows, don't you?
We got to keep them on the air.
I'm going to read my scripture of the day again.
And the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations.
And then shall they end come.
And we are the first generation to be doing that.
Yes.
24-7 technological confirmation.
24.
Never.
We are now 24-7 taking the gospel to every nation.
And all 8 billion people, almost all of them, have the opportunity somehow to tune in.
Social media.
You better get ready.
I mean, we're there.
Ask Jesus to come into your heart.
Live for him every day.
No matter what anybody's done to you, forgive them.
Forgive them.
God says, if you don't forgive, you'll not be forgiven.
I want to meet you in heaven.
I'm getting a group together.
I'm going to have all the people I've led to Jesus meet me in heaven.
And we're just going to have a praise time for a few weeks.
Okay, that'll be about several million hundred.
Okay, I love that.
We have to go.
Remember, God loves you.
He loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye, Friday.
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