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Dec. 31, 2024 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Bishop Ron Webb and Darren Parker Day 2
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Bearing Another's Cross 00:15:10
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guests, our author, senior pastor of Mount Calvary Powerhouse Church in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, Bishop Ron Webb and security and preparedness expert Darren Parker.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, you're watching Jim Baker's PTL Television Network, friends.
Today is a good day.
Why?
Because the Lord woke you up and you're watching this program.
And there is good news.
Christ is king.
He reigns forever and he's coming back for his bride.
And friends, if you've accepted him into your heart, if you have called him king, friends, he's coming back for you.
And what a glorious day that will be.
Friends, I have a video from our pastor, Jim Baker.
I want you to watch this.
This is important.
Jesus Christ did not come to destroy you because of your sin.
No.
Jesus died on the cross to save you.
Amen.
And if you think everybody should be destroyed that's caught in a sin, where are you going to get saved?
Where will you be able to go to heaven?
That's right.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
I'll tell you, this is so powerful.
Here's the answer to the sin problem.
It's not banish them.
It's not fire them.
It's not kick them out.
It's if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus shall believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Come on.
People have made fun of the church because it's narrow-minded.
I've seen evil in the church.
The church said you're not good enough.
That's not true.
Nobody's good enough.
Amen.
Nobody's good enough.
So the heart man believes unto righteousness.
When the mouth confession is made into salvation.
That's why we're so loud about Jesus.
We confess him.
Jesus Christ is my Savior.
You say, Jim, you did bad stuff.
I know you did.
Well, the whole world knows my sins and a lot more.
Some of you just have never been exposed.
I know.
So do you want the real deal or do you want a left-wing salvation?
Quit your job, go away, go crawl up in a corner somewhere.
Come on, how many have sinned in this room?
Raise your hand.
All right, you're all fired.
No, that's not what Jesus came to die.
This is what is so screwed up, people.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Amen.
Yes.
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, says it right there, shall be saved.
Thank you.
This is what we need.
We need a revolution of Jesus Christ.
He died on the cross.
That's why to tear the cross, they don't want the cross.
They hate the cross.
Well, hey, Mondo, what a critical thing.
The cross is the answer.
I mean, Pastor Jim Baker always has a good word, but man, that was a great word.
Because, Mondo, it's true.
The cross is our answer as believers.
There is no substitute to it.
And yet, it's not your opinion that matters.
It's not your perspective that matters.
It's not even your experience that matters.
It is the power of the cross.
Amen.
Listen, it is in the cross that we find forgiveness.
We find redemption.
We have restoration.
Bishop, the cross, there's no substitute for it.
Oh, absolutely.
None.
I mean, it is so powerful.
You alluded to redemption and then forgiveness of sin.
You know, David talks about bless the Lord, oh, my soul, and all that is within me.
Bless his holy name.
And then he says he talks about the benefits of God who forgiveth us of all of our sins.
And man, that's something to praise God for.
So many people live in regret and live in shame and dealing with the pain of their past, but thank God for redemption.
Thank God for the forgiveness of sin.
You know, I believe we should never stop singing those great songs.
The good hymns.
Come on.
I want to tell you something.
There's something about the cross that when you start singing it, something happens to you.
There's a lot of cross.
Come on.
I'm not even going to try to sing it.
But I tell you, the one hymn that changed my life at the church when my sister invited me was at the cross, at the cross, where I first saw the light.
And I want to tell you some tears and tears and tears because I couldn't believe that there was love at the cross.
Well, those were sermons in a song.
At the cross, at the cross, where I first saw the light, and the burdens of my heart were rolled away.
And it was there by faith that I received my sight.
And now I am happy all the day.
It's a sermon in a song.
Amen.
We need more of that.
You know, Bishop, the last time you were here, you spoke about the importance of praying for leadership and for praying for people in leadership role.
Can we talk about that?
You wrote a book called The Danger of Unpastored Pastors.
You know, everybody needs the cross, friend.
I don't care if you're in the pulpit or if you're in the pew.
You need the cross.
You need the blood.
We need redemption.
We need mercy.
We need grace.
Amen.
Nobody's exempt from it.
You don't reach a level of leadership.
You don't reach a level of status where you no longer need grace and mercy and you're exempt from it all.
Come on.
Friends, whether you're big or whether you're small, whether you're rich or whether you're poor, whether you are in a position of leadership or you're not, anybody can fall.
Friends, it's our responsibility.
The Bible says those who are spiritual restore each other in a spirit of what?
Not haughtiness, not arrogance, in a spirit of meekness.
Because one day, brother and sister, you might fall.
It may not be a great fall, or it might be a great fall, but trust me, you'll want a hand to help you back up.
That hand is Christ Jesus, and it is our brother and our sister to our left.
But praying for those in leadership roles across ministries, and we'll get later into the show about praying for leadership roles in our government.
But let's talk specifically about the church right now.
How important is that?
Pastor, it is very, very important because this is what I say.
You know, you may be a dentist, but sooner or later, you're going to have a toothache too.
You may work on everybody else's teeth, but one of these days you're going to wake up with a toothache.
And, you know, those that are in leadership, and just because you may be a counselor, but keep on living, you're going to need some counsel from somebody.
You know, and you may be a preacher, but at one time or another, you're going to need to be preached to.
So it is so important.
We never get so high up on the ladder that we don't need prayer.
I mean, it's so important.
But one thing I do want to say: you know, if you extend grace as a leader and the same grace that works in the pew works in the pulpit, the grace is not just for people in the pew, the grace is for people that's in the pulpit and mercy.
And if mercy extended in the pew, you can't forget the pulpit needs mercy also.
Have this treasure, but it's in earthlin vessels.
Ain't nothing wrong with the treasure.
It's the crackpots that is in.
What concerns me, Bishop, is that we've always had generations cursing the leaders.
Leaders that should have known better, leaders that are held to a different position and accountability.
Yet we can't be hard with leaders, right?
We can't take that stand.
And I want to tell you, I know you, it almost seems like we're trying to get even with our leaders.
Yet, that's a dangerous part because leaders, and the thing is, we are leaders, and it's hard to think outside of that box.
But yet, when you look at yourself, I have to remind myself I am a leader.
Yes.
And I have to be careful what I say, what I do, where I go, who I talk to, what I drive, where I live.
I mean, everything.
If you understood the pressure that we as leaders carry, it is also understanding that you have to have compassion because we're learning as we're going and we're developing as we're going.
But at the same time, we can't just have a hammer and beat the leader up constantly.
You can't do it because right now leadership is under so much pressure.
And I'm writing a book, and you pastors are dancing all around my title.
You're in the chapter, man.
As the old folks say, you're in my Kool-Aid and you got the flavor, you know.
And so you're right there with us.
But, Brother Mundo, it is so important, so important that we can't beat up our leaders now.
And it's easy to sit back and judge.
But remember, one day you may be in that position and you're going to need mercy.
Pastor Ricky, you alluded to at the beginning of the show.
The Bible says, if a brother be overtaken in a fall, he which is spiritual restore such a one.
How?
In the spirit of meekness.
Then it says, considering thyself.
See, when you're swollen with pride, you think that won't happen to me.
Well, don't you ever say what won't happen to you.
You know what I'm saying?
Because you don't know what awaits you tomorrow.
You pray that you don't have to go through that.
But you got to deal with that.
You're right, though, Bishop.
And I think, but it's hard because we have to understand there's pastors that have become predators.
Yes.
Pastors that have abused their role.
Yes.
We're not sitting here ignoring, and I don't want you to think that we're ignoring your pain and we're ignoring the fact that there are pastors that are predators.
They have abused their role.
They have sexually abused children.
They have sexually abused people.
They have hurt the people.
We get it.
But I also want to remind you, not every pastor is like that.
That's right.
For every one pastor that makes a mistake, there's a hundred pastors that are doing good.
Remember that.
Not all the people are doing wrong.
Yet, Bishop, it is so key because the next generation of leaders need to understand how to become leaders.
Absolutely.
And you can't have a bitter leader leading a group because then you have a bunch of bitter people in the group.
Absolutely.
How do we stay pure?
Well, here's the thing, because we're in a generation where everybody gravitates to power.
There's no power without purity.
Purity brings about power.
And it is so important.
But at the same time, in lew to what you said, man, you can't beat up leadership because, you know, we're learning as we go.
And the Bible says, a just man falleth seven times, but the Lord will raise them up again.
Would God put restoration in the Bible if people didn't fall?
There would be no need of restoration.
Well, if people didn't fall, we wouldn't need the cross.
Absolutely.
And obviously, we need the cross.
Yes.
And look at the men and the women that God used in the Bible.
You know, if we were to resume them today and interview them.
None of them would be in our pulpits.
Oh, come on now.
I was about to say they wouldn't make the cut.
I was going to say, David, you can go to the church down the street.
Yeah, I got a good recommendation.
Well, who would want David pastor in the church?
Who would want Noah that got drunk on his own vineyard?
That's right.
And we have like Elijah's.
If people don't realize, you know, Elijah was in a place where he had just defeated the prophets of Baal.
He goes out into the wilderness.
He says, Lord, I'm so, lack of better words, I'm so depressed.
I wish you would just take my life.
And Moses did what?
He murdered a person.
That's right.
So we don't have the ministry of murderers today.
Come on, just think about it.
And who wants that in their pulpit?
Truly.
But grace covers us.
And that doesn't mean when you hear the people or pastors or leaders say, I'm going to cover my brother.
Please don't mistaken that by covering up for your brother.
Repeat that again.
See, I can cover you without covering up for you.
So a lot of times people think, oh, oh, they're covering.
No, you cover them and you help them get back to a place of restoration.
But covering up, if there's a predator there, you don't cover up a predator.
No.
But you do lead them back toward restoration.
So there's a difference in covering your brother than covering up for your brother.
We are living, and correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen, but I believe we are living in the time of Barabbas moment.
Give us Barabbas.
When you allow the public to choose Jesus or Barabbas, you're in trouble.
Absolutely.
And I believe that when it gets out of the hands of leadership and it's up to the public who is right and who is wrong, we are in trouble.
And I think that's where we are right now: is that when leaders and the problems of leadership is handed over to the public to decide right or wrong, we're in trouble.
I think there's a reason why there's a court of law.
That's right.
And yet the church is bypassing the court of law that God has put in place in the church.
Now is up to the public to decide who's right and wrong.
And that's not the public's affair.
That's men of God.
He which is spiritual.
Restore.
Who has spiritual about the world?
They want blood.
They want judgment.
They want Barabbas.
They want Barabbas.
Come on now.
So we have to be able to discern what's a private matter and a public matter.
Not that you don't deal with the issue.
You have to confront the issue.
Every time.
You know, you don't sweep it under a rug.
You deal with it, but there is a way that you deal with certain matters.
Tell It Not In Gath 00:15:55
Look what happened when David had the opportunity to destroy Saul after Saul tried to destroy him.
That's right.
But he remembered the word of the Lord, touch not mine anointing and do my prophets no harm.
Where people today, they attack God's anointing and they think they're doing God a favor by exposing that.
Tell it not in Gath.
Oh, come on, you're messing with me now.
So he says what?
He says, he says, David says, tell it not in Gath.
Gath was where, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, where the Philistines rule.
Not just the Philistines, but Gath was also the place of Goliath home.
It's where it were the producers of the giants.
So what all he was saying was, tell it not in Gath.
Don't put it on CNN.
Don't put it on Fox.
Don't put it on NBC, ABC.
He says, don't put it in the secular network.
Wow.
No, you don't.
You tell it to God and you bring people to a place and restore them and then release them back again.
Amen.
Ricky, you had a word for 2024 and that was to purify the pulpit.
Yet look what's happened in the last few months.
Yeah.
Mega ministries, mega pastors, mega ministries.
We're there right now to expound on that situation because I believe that before God does anything, he has to deal with his church first.
He has to deal with us, rebellious children.
That's right.
That's right.
Paul said so gracefully.
My Bible, it has like where the chapter switches to the next part.
It says, you know, say like Paul's testimony or whatever.
I told my wife the other day, I said, I'm about to scratch out Paul's testimony, right?
Ricky's testimony when he says, hey, there's sinners and I'm the chief of them, you know.
But, you know, 2023, the very end of it, it was the New Year's Eve night.
I said, you know, I believe the Lord has given me a word.
It's just a few minutes before 2024 began.
I said, in 2024, the Lord said that he is purifying his pulpit so that in 2025, he can purify the pew bishop.
And what I'd say this is Psalm 51.10 says, create in me a clean heart and renew a right spirit within me.
Friends, the pulpit must be purified so that the pew can experience the true fire of God.
That refiner's fire goes through the pulpit into the pew.
If we want true revelation, if we want true revival to hit the United States of America, we should be seeking and desiring pure pulpits and pure pews.
Friends, it doesn't just work one way.
The pulpit can't just be pure and the pew not be pure.
And it doesn't work the other way either.
The pew can't just be pure while the pulpit is not pure.
Why?
Because what does the word of God say?
That Christ is coming back for what type of bride?
A pure, a blameless, a spotless bride.
Friends, I believe we here on earth can be that bride.
I truly do believe that we congregationally can be that bride.
We can come together.
We can link arms and we can be that pure bride.
Demando, that's what I'm talking about when I say that.
There was a purification, I believe, that happened throughout 2024 at a small scale, on a large scale.
I believe the Lord is restoring people, restoring ministers, restoring ministries.
But I believe it's because in 2025, we are about to see the beginning of a revival like we have never seen before.
There's going to be such purity.
There's going to be righteousness sweeping across the country again, where people aren't just going to want to come to a church service because it has great lights or great music.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
There's really no issue with having lighting settings.
There's no issue with having great music.
But friends, they're going to come and fall on their face before God.
Yes.
For no other reason, not because the pastor is well-spoken and eloquent and he has tremendous and wonderful vernacular.
That's not where they're going to come.
They're going to come fall on their face because righteousness.
They're going to come fall on their face because purity.
And they're going to see their pastors that they love say, you know what?
I have even taken a step back to ensure I am pure for this next move of God.
They're praying that Psalm 5110 prayer where they're saying, Lord, create in me a new heart, a clean heart, and restore me back to the way that is right.
They're going to see their pastors praying that.
And in 2025, I believe we're about to see the kickoff for the largest revival.
And I said this, and I'll stand by this.
The largest revival since the Azusa Street revival.
I believe that.
And everything what you're saying is 100% scripture where people are not going to run the personality.
They're going to run to where the power of God is.
Paul had that problem at Corinth.
And Paul says, I hear that there's division among you.
And notice what he says.
He says, in the house of Chloe, he said, not probably believe it.
He's just where some say I'm of Paul, others say I'm Apollos and Peter.
Then he asked the question, is Christ divided?
Then he makes this statement.
Who is Paul?
Who is Apollos?
That's right.
Who is Cephas?
Who is Peter?
But ministers of the gospel.
Then he says, one plants, another one waters, but it's God that brings the end.
Amen.
Come on.
So, you know, none of us are anything but vessels of the Lord.
It's the difference between perceiving punishment and responsibility.
I always tell my kids, there's a difference between me punishing you and then calling you to be responsible.
Responsibility, I don't think we are ready yet.
God is asking us to be ready to be responsible with the anointing that he places on us.
Yes.
It's not a punishment.
And I think that's the difference that you need to take away from this situation is this.
God is not trying to punish you and get even with you.
He's calling you to be responsible with the call and the anointing that he's placed on your life.
But it's a battle between the flesh and the spirit.
The flesh is always going to be the flesh.
We have to die daily.
But we have to be responsible to pray and seek his wisdom and be able to find the counsel of godly men and godly women.
And listen, get your home ready.
Get your responsibilities in place, meaning start fasting in your home.
Start praying in your home.
Start reading the word in your home.
Start having the faith in your home.
Because from home to home, the revival begins all over the world.
That's right.
It's in our home.
The responsibility is a home.
So when you show up to church, you don't show up to church with problems to the pastor.
Oh, you'll catch it.
Let's go back to the word of God and look.
When we're looking at qualifications for elders, what was one of the things that our brother said to do?
Look at the way this man runs his home.
Right.
That's what he said.
Look at it.
Look at the way he runs his home.
Because he's saying, well, hey, if he can't run his home well, what's to say he's going to come in here and run this well?
I'm not saying everything at home is going to be perfect.
Because, friends, we understand rebellion is a real thing.
Because you couldn't have looked at my father when I was a teenager and said, hey, you know, we're going to disqualify you because of Ricky.
Because Ricky was a rebel.
Ricky was very stupid.
I'll just say it like that.
I don't know if we can say that word on Christian television.
I'll spell it out.
S-T-U.
I don't even know if I can spell the rest of it.
That's how stupid I was.
I'm just saying.
We all needed grace and mercy, but I'm telling you, there needs to be a place where we come to, as believers, where we understand.
Friends, ministry is important.
Why?
Because ministry does the work of the Lord.
Ministry tells people, hey, there's a Savior that is ready to reconcile with you.
There's a Savior that is ready to redeem you and restore you, give you a new name.
Because I said this on social media the other day.
I don't know if you saw it, Mondo, but I said, you know, the devil knows your name, but he calls you by your sin.
But God knows your sin, but friend, he calls you by your name.
Oh, I love it.
He knows that.
Hallelujah.
There's a God that wants to do that for you.
Yes, I love it.
How can a church promote reconciliation?
Well, we have to preach this from the pulpit.
Amen.
We have to.
And thank God for the voice of the prophets right here.
And I can't begin to tell you, as I travel the country, so many people that watch these shows and they're saying, you know, how they've been influenced in a godly way and encouraged by hearing Pastor Jim's testimony and by him talking about reconciliation.
So we have to hurl that word.
We have to get that word out because there are people watching right now may have fallen and feel like they can't get back up.
But when they hear the word of the Lord, that you can be restored, you can be renewed.
You've fallen, but you can get back up on your feet.
The church needs to be like that life alert.
You guys ever see that life alert commercial where the lady falls?
She says, hell, she presses her button.
And she says, help, I can't.
That's what we should be able to do with the church.
We should be able to reach out to our elders.
We should be able to reach out to our pastors and say, Pastor, I've fallen and I desire to get back up, to continue to fight the good fight, to put the armor of God back on, to continue to run my race so that I can cross that finish line, which is eternity with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
I just want to say, friends, it is important that we seek restoration.
Amen.
And, Pastor, just like on that Life Alert commercial, you know, if parishioners run to their pastors and say, Hey, we've fallen and can't get back up, we need pastors that can run the pastors.
That's right.
Pastor has to go somewhere.
Pastor has to be able to go somewhere and find that same reconciliation that's afforded to the people that's in the pew.
I think it's a healthy process when you can allow leaders to deal with their own obstacles.
Yes.
I've known pastors that, and I recommend counseling, Christian counseling.
Amen.
Because I want to tell you something: if you're going to lead, you're leading out of a place of trauma, out of a place of desperation, a place of hurt.
I don't know any man or woman that hasn't been hurt throughout life.
Yes.
Yet God has blessed them to be leaders, but you can't ignore.
Someone told me the other day, your hurts will show up when you're at the mountaintop by yourself.
Yes.
And what keeps you up there is when you deal with the sin.
And if you don't, then the sin will bring you down.
It'll drag you down.
There's no shame.
Can I tell you this?
There's no shame in being real.
There's no shame in knowing that you have stuttering problems or maybe you have pornography addiction.
Maybe you're smoking cigarettes or maybe you're addicted to painkillers and you're leading a church.
There's no shame on that.
The shame comes in when you don't seek the help and you are exposed.
What if we have healthy communication where we can trust one another?
That's what the Bible teaches.
Confess your sin to one another.
The body finds health and the counseling of each other, but we don't trust each other enough to tell you what I'm struggling with.
So how can we have a healthy leader and expect to have a healthy church when we're in the business of exposing ourselves?
There's a friend of mine, and I've got to, you know, bring him to the show, invite him to the show.
He just wrote a book, Leading and Bleeding at the same time.
Leading and while bleeding.
Wow.
You know, bleeding while leading.
You know, it's all wrapped up together.
That's right.
And then one of the things that's mentioned in the book is leaders cannot bleed down.
Leaders have to bleed across because everybody can't handle your stuff from the top.
But this is why you got to create an atmosphere that's conducive for restoration and leadership.
I'm telling you, leaders need leaders.
I'm scared of leaders that don't have leaders.
The danger of unpastored pastors, I mean, because everybody's going to need someone to speak to.
Everyone needs accountability.
Everybody needs it.
And you got to be trustworthy to hear.
Listen, I've walked with your friend Jim Baker for 26 years.
And he has shared information with me that I'll never talk about it to anybody.
But it's because he's trusted me.
It didn't shake me.
It didn't baffle me.
It didn't make me go, oh, I'm going to go to the public.
I'm going to go to CNN and tell everybody.
I'm trying to be jaded behind what you've heard.
No.
I see him as another man is struggling in life just like myself, just like you.
The difference is he's recognized all over the world.
But if he couldn't trust me for the last 26 years, then what type of a friend am I?
You see, I go back to this.
You got to stop getting your definitions from the Webster dictionary or slash Google.
Get your definition from the word.
A friend, a true friend, the Bible says in Proverbs 17, 17, a friend loveth at all times.
Not sometimes, not when it's convenient to you, not when it concerns you.
A friend loveth at all times and a brother and sister is born for adversity.
He was born for the fight.
But I want to tell you something.
I'm not a yes man.
So don't ever confuse that I'm a yes man.
You can ask Pastor Jim.
He kind of gets upset at me because I challenge him and then and we challenge each other and sometimes say, no, dad, you're wrong.
But I want you to know something.
Being a yes man is different than being a man that you can confide your struggles with and trust him that he's not going to go out and leak it.
We have a lot of leaky Christians out there trying to get likes and using social media platforms and they want to talk to this person and we got to make this right.
Social media has become a problem that Christians can't keep their mouth shut.
Well, we've made it so where now people, you know, they'll say, well, I'm not gossiping.
I'm just sharing something on Facebook.
I'm not gossiping.
I'm just, you know, I'm just commenting.
I'm just giving my opinion.
Well, friends, it's still gossiping.
Whether you do it with your thumbs or whether you do it with your tongue, it's still gossiping.
I said, friends, it's still gossiping whether you do it with your thumbs or you do it with your tongue.
It's still gossiping.
When you mentioned that, Pastor Ricky, I thought, how many more problems would be solved if we would carry, what we carry to Facebook, we carry it to the altar.
Come on.
Wow.
Think about that.
The time that we spend sharing, what we call sharing, is really a nice way of gossiping because they don't say gossip anymore.
They don't say, oh, they told a lie.
Oh, it's a little white lie and a big black lie.
Well, who put color on lie?
No, a liar was a liar.
They don't have a brown lie.
I think they have that too.
So they don't call gossip gossip.
Oh, we was just sharing.
It's all done to tear down anyway.
That's it.
That's true.
It's all done to tear down.
Yeah, that's it.
It doesn't build up your brother or your sister.
And I don't know if it makes the other people feel better or like they're more or it builds them up by tearing down.
I don't know.
But a lot of that stems from Brother Darren is unforgiveness.
Bitterness.
And bitterness.
Because they have to tell it.
They're looking for someone to side with them or agree with them.
Gospel's Enduring Message 00:05:51
And a lot of the time, we've noticed this.
And believer, this is why it's important to have a interpersonal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Because a lot of time when we're pointing fingers, it's because we have pain.
A lot of time when we're saying, look over there, look over there, it's because we're dealing with issues.
But friends, we shouldn't be pointing or exposing other people, other brothers and sisters who are hurting to try to hide something that maybe we're going through.
Like you said, if we took everything to the pole, if we took everything to the altar rather than taking it to social media, friends, we'd see a lot different culture in the church we're living in today.
You know, I want to thank, because I know this for a fact, we have the best partner base in the entire world.
Any other ministry can come and I'll talk with their leadership face to face.
Our partners are absolutely the best.
Why?
Because our partners seek truth.
We've gotten so many letters.
We've gotten so many emails.
We've gotten so many calls where our partner base, they don't go out and they spread the gossip mondo.
They say, hey, if there's something that is coming out about you guys, we're going to ask you the question directly and we're going to get the answer from the horse's mouth.
That is what I have appreciated about you guys so much.
You take time to write the letter.
You take time to write the email.
You take time to pick up the phone call and say, hey, this is what is being said.
Tell us what the truth is.
And they can call us anytime.
Anytime.
That number is right there.
Absolutely.
Call us anytime.
Ricky and I are willing to talk to you about anything you want to know about this ministry.
One thing about Jim Baker that he's taught us, our father, your friend, is to always be transparent with you.
We love transparency.
I want to tell you something.
There's nothing greater than being transparent with everything that you feel is going on.
People are talking.
People are saying it doesn't matter.
We love you and we appreciate the fact that you have stood with Pastor Jim for over 60 years.
That's right.
Yet you're standing with us today because transparency is going to be so important in the time that we're in right now.
And again, this ministry can only survive with your help, your prayers, your support.
But we are family.
You know how many times I've heard that over the last 26 years?
That's right.
We feel like you're part of our family and you sit over here in the audience sometimes and you say, oh, I feel like I know you.
I say, you do know me.
I know us better than a lot of people know us.
But you know, Mondo, what we're doing this for, and I have said this message to so many people and I just love that we get the honor to do this.
Friends, we're doing this for you and we're doing this for your children and for your grandchildren so that the gospel can continue to be spread, not just to your generation and not just the generation right below you, but generations under that as well.
Why?
Because we have a massive crisis right now, Mondo.
And I'll just call it just that, where social media has persuaded people away from Christianity.
Social media has convinced people that you can live any type of lifestyle you want to and it'll all be fine at the end.
Don't worry.
There's enough grace to cover living however you want, doing whatever you want, being whatever you want.
But friends, we have the ultimate authority, which is the word of God.
And friends, at the PTL Television Network, the Jim Baker Family Show, we will never back down from our position where we believe the Word of God is our final authority.
We want to spread that message to your son, your daughter, your grandson, your granddaughter.
But the only way we can do that is with your partnership, friend.
You have partnered with us.
You have linked arms with us.
And that is the reason that we can spread these videos across social media.
We can spread these videos across different social media platforms and say, there is a God who loves you.
There is a God who is ready to take you and give you a new name that is righteousness, that is holiness, that is purity.
And there is a God that is ready to accept you into his family.
All you have to do is say yes.
All you have to do is repent and believe the gospel.
And friends, when somebody truly does that, their life will never be the same.
We have so many letters.
I'm talking a stack of letters.
I'm opening them and I love them where people are saying, my grandson, my granddaughter, my son, my daughter, myself, my husband, my aunt, uncle, they have given their life to the Lord because of this program.
And friends, it was nothing we could do.
We're pointing you to the cross.
We're pointing you to the one who can do everything because it's not Ricky and it's not Mondo and it's not Bishop and it's not Darren.
None of us can lead you to salvation.
None of us are good enough to be able to lead you to salvation.
But what we can do is point you to the cross.
We can show you the path that you need to be on.
We can pray the salvation prayer with you.
That's why I am so adamant.
Please call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We want to pray the salvation prayer with you.
We want to make sure that you know when I pass away, I'm going to spend eternity with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
We want to pray that prayer with your children, with your aunts, your uncles, any member of your family.
We want to be there and partner with you in the same capacity that you have partnered with us.
Mondo, we have our wall of agreement.
I think it's what, it's about 20 feet long and about maybe nine feet tall.
But our wall of agreement is where when you have sent us photos over the last few years, you sent us cards, you sent us pictures of your family members.
What do we do?
We take that picture and we put it on our wall of agreement.
And our pastoral staff, that is where their offices are.
And every single day they are in that office, they look at that wall of agreement and they're agreeing.
This man will stop taking drugs in the name of Jesus.
This woman will be redeemed in the name of Jesus.
This husband and wife's marriage will be reconciled in the name of Jesus.
And they're praying over those pictures.
They're praying over those emails that they printed out.
They're praying over those letters that you have sent in.
So, friend, don't be discouraged.
Continue to send them in because we will continue to stand in that gap for you and your family and pray those prayers to ensure that you know what there is a prayer being heard.
24 Outlets and Counting 00:03:07
Yes, you know how important your support, your financial support to keep us on the air is that I was at the store the other day, and a young couple, when I say young, I'm talking about 35 years old.
And this guy had tattoos everywhere, and the wife, good-looking couple, and they kind of looked at me like, I know you, but I don't know you.
And I'm thinking, no, you probably don't know me, but maybe you do know me because I forget that I'm on television and I'm looking at it.
Oh my God, this guy's going to try to do something crazy.
And I grab my gun real quick, you know, and I'm back everywhere I go.
I'm not going to lie.
I got a CCW, by the way.
We live in a wonderful country, the United States of America.
All that to say that he said, Are you Mondo?
I said, Yeah, I am.
He said, I've been watching the Jim Baker show for the last three years in my platoon in Washington, D.C.
The Jim Baker show has been my church for the last three years while I've been serving in Washington, D.C. with my military and my unit.
And I got everybody watching the show.
And I went home and I told my wife about the show.
And my wife was like, You're watching the Jim Baker show?
Isn't that an old people show?
And he said, No, he says, You got to watch it.
It's the only show that I can find that teaches the word.
Wow.
And I want to tell you something.
That meant the whole world to me to know that the only reason why he watched the show with his platoon was because he knew he can get the word.
Wow.
The word, the word, that changes everything.
But I want to tell you something.
It doesn't happen without you supporting this ministry financially.
Amen.
Oh, you Christians always ask for money.
Yes, we do because we have to pay the bills.
Yes, we do because we don't get sponsor money by Coca-Cola or other situations like regular networks do.
We depend on you, partners.
We depend on your $20.
We depend on your $100 so we can continue to distribute this program all over America.
That's right.
In this new season, we got to get back to where the program used to be.
We went from 24 outlets to only two outlets that distributes this program.
That's how much of an impact that 2020 made for this ministry.
Yes.
Let's get back to 24 outlets preaching the gospel again.
Will you commit this season to stand with us to get us back to 24 outlets and even more so we can preach this gospel, especially right now that we need it more than ever before?
Amen.
Call the number today: 1-888-988-1588.
We Are in the Business of Saving Children 00:07:16
Or better yet, go to the website, jimbakershow.com.
There's many different ways that you can stand with us and pray for us and support this ministry.
Amen.
You know, one thing that we love doing is bringing you news from a biblical perspective.
We've done shows where we don't touch the news and then we have our partners.
They write us those letters.
They say, Hey, we're watching the news, but then we turn on the Jim Baker show.
We turn on PTL because we want to see how this correlates with the word of God.
How does this tell us the times that we're living in?
You know, one thing I want to talk to you about, Darren, is the issue that is happening right now at the southern border.
It's really an issue.
We have had too many people pouring into our southern border where we have a government who seemingly turned their back and said that we're not going to, you know, put a stop to this or really see anything wrong with it.
Mondo, I think you said the number the other day was there are 300,000 plus children missing.
Unaccounted for.
Unaccounted for.
Yeah.
And leadership.
Bishop, what other organization in the world would not be held accountable for 300,000 unaccounted for minors?
No, there would be no other, no other organization.
If there was 30 unaccounted for children, any other company in the United States of America would be getting reamed right now by our governmental system.
Yeah, we have 300,000 plus that are missing.
Darren, what do we do, brother?
The hypocrisy is just outrageous.
Look at our, not just the border, but let one child get shot in school and die.
And we need gun control and all this other stuff.
But then we're allowing 300,000 to, we don't know where they are.
Probably a lot of them aren't alive.
Or they're being trafficked.
That is the issue.
Mondo, we're good friends with Pastor Troy Brewer, and he has fought the good fight and he continues to fight the good fight.
Support that man's ministry.
I'm telling you right now, I know we believe in supporting each other.
Why?
Because when the, what do they say, high ties, raise all ships?
Right.
We believe what he's doing is wildly important.
He is saving children from sex trafficking.
But Mondo, he's saying right now, there are not enough facilities to help get these children in safe homes.
No, and it shouldn't have a price.
I want to tell you, when it comes to donating to this ministry, there should never be a price of how much it will cost to save a child's life.
One child is being sold for $5,000.
Can you match that?
Think about it for a moment.
If they're selling, if somebody's willing to buy a child for $5,000, what are we willing to do to rescue them?
This is a key.
Pastor Troy Brewer is going to be here in a few days and give us an update.
But you, our partners, we talked about it for the first time, and you gave over $15,000 that we directly gave to them on your behalf to save the lives of these children that are being sexually trafficked.
But when they rescue these children, it doesn't stop there.
A lot of these children, Bishop and Darren, they have to deal with HIV.
They have to deal with syphilis.
At five years old, at 10 years old, at 15 years old, these kids will never have a regular life the rest of their life.
Yet the body of Christ, you showed up and it's time to show up again.
But this has become a multi-billion dollar industry that is hardly even being talked about because it's touching business people.
It's touching pastors.
It's politicians.
It's touching every area of the community has been part of the problem.
Hollywood Elite.
Yet, what do we do to rescue these kids?
The church that has to step in.
Ministries like this have to step in.
And I want to tell you something.
If we don't confront this problem, it's going to become an even bigger issue because we have allowed illegal immigration step into this country.
Run rampant.
Not only run rampant, we have allowed a cartel to take over our children's lives.
That's right.
And Bishop, I want to ask you this question.
What would it look like if, I wouldn't even say every, I was going to say every church.
What would it look like if half the churches in America decided to open their doors to be safe homes for these children?
Oh, it would be a rescue agent.
And it's so needed.
And Pastor, Rick, we built a restoration center for youth.
Detroit, you did.
And like an orphanage for you.
And every problem that he just stated, those kids have come with a truckload of issues.
And many of them are traumatized.
But just think if every church in America would do that.
That would be the answer.
Because the church is famous sometimes for reciting problems, but we never summon solutions.
And so thank God for this show today.
And I just believe that pastors that are hearing this, that they're going to turn their building into restoration centers.
Amen.
You know, Pastor Troy calls it redemption ranch, redemption homes.
I believe that this ministry, we're going to pray about moving into a redemption home because I want to tell you something.
Saving children's life is what it's all about.
If you look at the wall back there, there is about 70 on the 70 past.
I'm sending pictures of babies that have become almost more than toddlers by now.
Some of them are, I've met one that is 11 years old.
Wow.
11 years old.
But those are babies that were saved at our Lori's husband down here.
Children that would not be alive now if you wouldn't have partnered with us and said, you know what?
We are in the business of life.
We are in the business of saving children.
Friends, we shouldn't be dependent on our governmental organizations.
Yes, I pray that they would do the right thing and we need godly leadership, but it's the church house that needs to step up.
It's the church body that needs to open up their doors.
And it is the church members who need to say, we are welcome and we are ready to fight the good fight for these children.
Friends, we need to be doing this.
What if it was your son or daughter?
What if it was your grandson or granddaughter?
What would you do to ensure their safety?
Well, I would say there's probably not a lot someone wouldn't do to ensure that.
Friends, this is somebody's son.
This is somebody's daughter.
This is somebody's grandson, somebody's granddaughter that they would love to be reunited with.
This is somebody's child that doesn't deserve Mondo multiple, like Troy said, multiple times a day, these kids are being abused, used like animals, thrown in cages, all for it to happen over and over until they pass away.
That is what he says he sees happen.
That's why we partner with a pastor like Pastor Troy Brewer, who is doing a good work.
We're going to have him back on this broadcast in the next couple of days.
He's giving us a critical update and how we can help support that ministry.
Fighting for Open Borders 00:04:12
But friends, we need to be in the fight.
You know, it's good that we have government officials that are helping fight this, but the church needs to step up.
Call your government officials and say, we want you to fight even harder.
We elected you, so we want you to fight even harder.
You know, we have a senator here in Missouri who I love.
His name is Josh Hawley, and he is a good man.
When I say that, I mean he is fighting for what the people want to be done.
But watch this right now because he's confronting a witness about the open border situation.
But just watch this.
But Senator Josh Hawley pressed an American Immigration Council senior fellow yesterday on illegal migrants taking those American jobs.
Watch this.
Why would you want American citizens and those who are here lawfully to have to compete against illegal immigrants who, by the way, are often paid not minimum wage, who are not given the federally mandated benefits precisely because they're here illegally?
Why would you want to drive down the wages of millions of working Americans who can't get those jobs in construction, agriculture, and hospitality because illegal immigrants are getting them, suppressing wages in the meantime?
Why would you want to do that?
Well, if you didn't hear from my initial testimony, you'd know I don't want to.
Oh, listen, I read your testimony word for word, and I've been watching it, and I know what the answer is.
You don't actually care about working people because you're absolutely hell-bent on this ideological agenda of opening our border.
Well, it's hard to disagree, Adam.
The wide open border has had lots of impacts, not just a national security issue, it's an economic issue.
Well, let's be crystal clear.
It's also a political issue.
The only reason Democrats have allowed the wide open border, actually, no, let me rephrase that, have encouraged, enabled, facilitated an open border is to bring in people that they think will ultimately vote for them.
That's right.
It's about vote harvesting, nothing more.
They cloud it under the guise of, oh, it's the American way.
Come unto me, all ye that travail and are heavy laden, and we shall refresh you, right?
Bring me your poor, bring me your unburdened Statue of Liberty, right?
No, no, it's vote harvesting.
That's what this whole thing has been about.
And no one on the Democratic side is willing to admit that.
That's disgusting.
Can you believe that?
Tell that to Lake and Riley's family.
Right.
Okay.
Where this guy came into America from Texas, from across the border, went to New York, then got a prepaid flight from Biden and Harris to go to Atlanta.
And what did he do in Atlanta?
He murdered Lake and Riley.
And isn't it incredible that we, for several months here in New York City, closed schools because we had to house migrants?
So where do our own children go?
And what about the working families who say, well, you know, I've got a job to go to.
I put my kid in school, and you know, and now I have to call in sick for my job to take care of my kids at home because they're migrants in my children's school.
So many implications.
Mothers have told me that her kids came home, they were crying, they got hit, they got into fights because half of the students now don't speak English.
Wow.
Darren, I want to ask you this.
Why do you think that the Democratic Party wants to push for open borders?
He just said it.
It's vote harvesting.
Look, if the people coming across the border are illegal, if they were waving a Trump flag or a Republican flag, they would be stopped a mile before they got to the border.
Overnight, you would see a wall go up.
It's for one reason, one reason only.
They think that they're going to get the support from the ones coming across.
You know, I want to talk about this issue as well.
You know, according to the website The Nation, a large majority of voters gave the Biden administration a failing grade on the economy.
This is a Fox News article I want you to watch about how Biden puts a spin on the economic record that he's had over the last four years.
Check this out.
All right.
The lame duck is fighting to define his legacy or whatever's left of it.
President Biden giving a speech and doing his best to put a positive spin on his economic record, one that most folks will remember for sky-high inflation.
Joe Biden's Grocery Check Promise 00:03:07
Next month, my administration and the new administration will began.
Most economists agree the new administration is going to inherit a fairly strong economy.
I also learned something from Donald Trump.
He signed checks for people for $7,400 because we passed the plan.
And I didn't.
Stupid.
And looks like Kathy Hochold didn't get the memo on the spending and how it caused inflation.
The New York state governor hitting the grocery store as she promotes a plan to hand out $300 checks for anyone making up to $150,000.
They will send you a check to buy your groceries for a month or whatever you want to spend it on.
I say it's your money.
It belongs in your pocket and it's coming your way.
All right, this is what history will remember Joe Biden for.
COVID got him in office.
Oldest president of all time.
Afghanistan withdrawal.
Yeah.
Ukraine, illegal immigration, inflation, industrial policy, lawfare, coup, pardon.
Crime.
That's it.
That's it.
And he'll just be a sleepy little intermission between Donald Trump's terms.
Because this wasn't the roaring 20s.
You had all-time highs in suicides, homelessness, drug overdoses under Joe Biden.
The only bright spot, because I am so fair as a historian, the stock market and Bitcoin.
But for the rest of the country, the American dream was out of reach.
Not my words.
Those are the words of Kamala Harris.
And it's because no one could afford to buy a house.
No one got a raise in four years and everybody was saddled with credit card debt.
Now, the job gains, which I'm sure Jessica is going to bring up, are a mirage.
Most of those job gains were snapback jobs from the pandemic.
And a third of those jobs were from foreigners.
Well, it's because people have to work two or three more jobs than they had to under Trump.
So, yeah, compare the number of jobs to the number of people working.
Everybody's working two jobs just to make it through.
I gave $67,000 for a truck in 2020.
It's $120,000 now.
I sold my house in 2023 for 120% more than I gave for it.
And I just moved that money into another house that's way overpriced.
So I love when DC or Kareem John Pierre loves to talk about how inflation's come down.
But if you're spending all of your money to be able to get somewhere and live somewhere, it really doesn't matter if eggs even out.
You still are broke.
And that's the problem.
You know, Bishop, you deal with the people.
You have churches that you go, you pastor, and also you go and speak at.
What are the common people saying about the economic situation right now?
What are just the everyday people saying, hey, you know what?
It's kind of tough on us, or are they okay?
Believe America's Blessing 00:05:14
No, it's tough.
It's a challenge.
I mean, the grocery bills are up, and more people are fasting now, not because they want to, but because they have to.
That's right.
And I mean, everything is just skyrocketing.
You know, interest rates are out of, you know, this world.
And so it's a challenging time.
That's right.
Yeah.
I mean, I just want to remind you, friends, you know, the national debt has surpassed $36 trillion with the T dollars.
Friends, that is a combined value of the economies of China, Germany, Japan, India, and the United Kingdom.
Do you understand where we are?
Friends, that is why I believe America elected new leadership.
I believe that is why America had the red wave that they did, where we are going to once again put America first, where we are going to once again see a strong America.
Darren, what do you think when we have people who are electing governmental officials who are anti-American?
I want your true opinion.
I can't believe it.
How do we do that?
And if you look, I'm telling you, there's one party that hates America.
They hate America.
Listen, when you see a news program and you see behind the politicians flags, everyone knows that's conservatives or Republicans.
They'll say it.
Well, there's a Republican conference.
Because they have an American flag behind it.
Yes.
Or you'll see it on the news again.
You'll see people protesting people having American flags outside their home.
Really?
Yeah, protesting American flags?
Like being a patriot is wrong?
It's incredible.
That's right.
Mondo patriotism, you know, it seems to be for one part of the country at an all-time low for the other part of the country at an all-time high because either, you know, you're a stout, God-fearing, you love America, you're waving your flag, or you're simply not.
You know, you immigrated to this country legally when you were a young man, but you love America.
I love America.
America on its worst day is still the greatest country that will ever live in the history of humanity.
America has been blessed by God, yet America is divided.
A home divided, the Bible says, will not stand.
It's up to you, up to us Christians, to pray.
Pray that the economy will get better.
Pray that things will get better.
We got to pray.
This is a time to pray for the new leadership coming into town.
This is time to pray for wisdom.
This is time to pray in every level to understand that America has been blessed by God.
America has been here for so long for immigrants to come in and live the American dream.
And we have watched immigrants live the American dream and be a part of the American dream.
Yet we can't let that go.
We can't just give that up.
America has been blessed by God.
America is going to continue to be blessed by God, but it's up to us.
That's right.
You know how we can ensure America is continuing to be blessed by God?
By praying and fasting.
Church, by getting back to the altars, by not just coming to church on a Sunday for two hours, Wednesday for an hour and a half, maybe because they have a good meal for you.
I'm not saying that's any wrong reason to go to church.
Friends, go get a meal.
Go be with your brother and sister.
But don't let church stop once you walk out of the doors.
Don't let church stop once you've shaken the pastor's hand and you're heading out to your car.
Bishop, how important is it that we take church outside the four walls?
It is so important.
And I think that's why a lot of churches are drying up and dying spiritually is because all the focus is on the inside.
The real ministry is you want to know where the foreign feels are.
Just as soon as you walk, you exit the door.
Welcome to the mission field.
That's right.
You don't have to go to a third world country to start a missions work.
Your mission work is right outside the door.
It's your community.
Call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We want to pray that salvation prayer with you.
We want to stand with you spiritually.
We want to hear about your family.
Send us those cards.
Send us those emails.
Send us those letters.
We want to put them on our wall of agreement.
We want to join with you in prayer to say the devil will take not one more inch of ground in your family, in your community, in your school boards, in your state.
And the devil will not get another inch of ground in this country.
Friends, our monthly partnership is how we continue to broadcast this show.
If you want to consider praying and becoming a monthly partner, please do so.
We need your support in 2025 more than we ever have.
We're on the verge of something wonderful in this ministry.
Bishop, I've been climbing this mountain and we're about to hit the mountaintop.
Friends, we need to get this ministry debt-free so that we can continue in 2025 to expand the gospel of Jesus Christ, to tell people that there is a God and he does love you.
What A Delight 00:00:22
His name is Jesus.
He died on a cross for you.
Yes.
And it is good once and for all.
Accept the good and free gift that he has done for you.
Friends, I don't know what you're about to be up to, but I want you to remember this as you go about your day, that God loves you.
He really does.
Thank you for standing with us and standing with the PTL Television Network.
Thanks for being on the broadcast with us.
What a delight.
God bless you.
Thank you, Darren.
What a delight.
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