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Nov. 15, 2024 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Seth Gruber
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Ricky's Cold Traveling Adventure 00:03:08
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guest is the host of the Seth Kruber Show, author of the 1916 Project and producer and host of the 1916 Project documentary, Seth Kruber.
Our co-host today is Pastor Ricky Baker.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
Thank you, Weston.
He's our director, too, by the way, and he's announcing this week.
That's right.
He does it all.
And why don't you do that live, Weston, so we can see you.
He's giving us a thumbs up over there.
I can see it from over here.
We could do it live and just show you in the room doing it.
There we go.
Because I like you.
See, it takes a lot more to do the show than just me and Ricky.
And Mondo's out sick.
He is.
Very sick.
That's right.
Yep.
Yeah, he's recovering, though.
He'll be back in the next couple of days.
So he bounces back pretty quickly.
My Lord, help us.
It's that season, you know?
Everybody's had this terrible.
I don't know about your area of the world, but we've had a lot of flu-like stomachbag or something.
And we're thrilled to have you all here today.
And we had some folks just did you drive in or fly in?
They chose the smart way of traveling.
Orlando, Florida.
All right.
The Sunshine State.
They came to cold Midwest.
I don't know why they came in.
It is your cold.
This is the coldest day we've had so far, isn't it, really?
It is absolutely.
Yeah.
So thank you guys for being here with us.
You should have brought some of the heat.
We would have appreciated it.
I mean, it went from a very hot summer to very cold.
Fall already cold.
It's the Midwest.
It'll be hot again tomorrow.
Don't worry.
It's so unpredictable here.
Boy, it was cold this morning.
And when you're old and don't have much fat on you anymore, you get colder.
That's probably why I'm warm all the time.
So we're going to be.
You've been traveling a lot, Ricky.
I have been.
Before we get on with the show, tell me where you've been.
My wife and I, Brooke, we went to the Million Women March in D.C. Your wife is wonderful.
She is wonderful.
And she's beautiful.
Yes, she's well spoken.
You have three beautiful children.
That's right.
A four-year-old Jacqueline.
We have a two-year-old Luke and a he's named after me.
Luke Orson.
That's right.
His middle name is Orson.
Did you know my middle name is Orson?
I don't ever.
You do not.
We know now.
Yeah.
But I was named after Orson Welles.
Yes.
Anybody remember him?
So I'm Orson.
I'm James Orson Baker.
Graham's Visit: Faith Leaders Gather 00:03:11
And your son is Luke Orson Baker.
That's right.
And we have an eight-year-old or eight-month-old Evangeline.
And she is a beauty.
Oh, yeah.
She's adult.
And your other daughter, oldest daughter?
Jacqueline.
Jacqueline is my friend.
Oh, yeah, she loves grandpa.
Jacqueline, she comes to my house and curls up in bed with me and watches television.
That's right.
And she watches anything I'm watching.
That's right.
And she's very smart.
While Brooke and I travel, the two older kids go and stay with their grandma on Brookside, Lulu, they call her.
And so Brooke and I were in D.C. at the Million Women March on the mall there.
375,000 people showed up in person, and they're estimating another 10 plus million people watched online.
It was a day of prayer, fasting, intercession for our nation right there at the Capitol.
And then just a couple days later, we were in North Carolina at a faith leaders meeting with President Trump.
What kind of people were there?
At the faith leaders meeting?
Yeah.
I mean, you got your who's who from television.
I mean, Gene Bailey was there.
We loved seeing him.
Lou Ingle was there.
We saw my school.
Flashpoint.
Yep.
He was, I think, was the first class ever at the Heritage School of Media.
He was one of those.
He worked with me for years.
That's right.
That's right.
Alvida King, your friend, was there.
I took a photo with her.
She's wonderful.
She was there as well.
Todd Coconado, which we're going to have here on the show.
I saw Alan DeDio there.
A lot of really amazing men and women in the faith community were there.
Is that the one that Franklin Graham was at?
Franklin Graham was there.
He spoke.
I took a photo with him, and he said he loves you.
So it was a good time to.
We were standing next to each other in line, and I thought, why are you in line?
Someday I ought to write a book about the Grahams because they have been so good to me.
They are really genuine people.
They are.
He's absolutely the same person in person.
Billy Graham came when I was in prison.
Billy Graham walked in one day, and he's the only one who could walk into a prison because you have to have credentials.
Credentials.
That's right.
And he just walked in and said, I want to see Jim Baker.
And they said, okay.
Amen.
Amen.
And then in a few weeks, I'm going to be going down to do the In Times broadcast, In Time broadcast in Dallas, Texas.
And I'll be preaching for a couple of days at Christ for the Nations.
So I'll be down in Texas.
So that's where I'm at.
If you don't see me here at Morningside, I travel on behalf of PTL and the ministry.
Londo better get back soon.
He better get back.
I kept telling him.
He only has a certain amount of sick days.
Once those are up.
I'm going to do it all by myself.
That's right.
I don't know what I do without somebody to help me.
Oh, you've done it for 62 years.
You'll go into autopilot.
So you're right there.
Well, I'm thrilled today.
We have Seth Gruber.
Seth Gruber.
That's right.
Tell us about Zeth.
You know, he's the host of the podcast, the Seth Gruber Show.
I mean, it's an amazing podcast.
You need to go out and check that out.
He's also the CEO of the fastest growing pro-life nonprofit in America.
And he's the author of the 1916 project and the producer and the host of the 1916 Project documentary, which we've shown here at Morningside.
Constitutional Conflicts Over Abortion Rights 00:15:22
We've seen it.
We premiered it, excuse me, and we talked about it here a few weeks ago.
And so it's exciting to have Seth back on our program.
Seth, since the last time you were here on our broadcast, what has been happening in your life?
Well, we've done nearly 800 screenings of the film in American churches since the middle of June, so less than six months.
The film has come out on Twitter, now known as Axe, that platform that Elon Musk bought and made free for speech, finally, where you can say things that you didn't used to be able to say.
So we decided to premiere our film for about three weeks, streaming free on our X account, the 1916 Project X account.
We have over 2 million views in the English version and over 3 million views in the Spanish version.
And the election's upon us now.
And we put a lot of advertising dollars behind this.
We have a billboard going up in Times Square in New York City this week as well.
And we're working on getting Elon Musk to watch this film and retweet it out because if this film goes viral in black America, I'll tell you guys, Kamala Harris will lose the presidency.
We all know that Democrats can't win elections without the black vote.
And once you learn some of the anti-black racism behind not just the Democrat Party, but Planned Parenthood, who's one of the biggest campaign donors to Kamala Harris.
I mean, Kamala Harris was breaking into people's homes and taking, stealing their footage in 2015 because that footage captured Planned Parenthood, high-ranking corporate officials admitting on hidden cameras that they break federal law by selling the organs and parts of babies that they already aborted.
So the Democrats have been saying for the last nine months, guys, that this election will be a referendum on abortion.
Meaning that's their pagan sacrament.
That's the linchpin on which the liberal establishment swings.
Without abortion, they're nothing.
They need abortion.
That's how they're convincing the straddle-the-fence moderates in America to vote for Kamala because what if your daughter got raped?
Don't you want to be able to kill that kid?
And that's how they're allegedly winning the votes of moderate Americans is by saying we have to kill some babies.
And so we're exposing the history behind not just Planned Parenthood in the abortion industry, but really it's the history of the sexual revolution.
It's the history of the long walk through the institutions of cultural Marxism and these weirdo, kooky demoniacs who for over 100 years have torn down the Christian family-based society that we used to live in.
And now that's why America looks like it does in 2024.
So the film has been met with huge success and it's going viral on Twitter and X right now.
And anyone in America can watch the film right now on our Twitter account, but you can still host a screening at your church.
Seth, are you not afraid for your life?
I mean, the left does not like pro-life.
Yeah, that's right.
We always say, brother, that those who murder the unborn cannot be trusted to govern the born.
And those who murder the unborn will one day murder you too, Christian, the longer you tolerate the sacrament of Satan in America, abortion, the killing of babies.
So, I mean, yeah, we get lots of nasty threats, but we have good security.
We take things seriously.
And it's go time.
It's wake-up time for the church.
Actually, it was wake-up time about 80 years ago.
But if we're not past the Rubicon line yet, we're certainly flirting with it.
And I believe that if the church would wake up in America and start preaching against false religions, or preaching against the culture of death, equipping the saints to go fulfill the work of the ministry, to go be Christian, to go stop the killing of babies, to end abortion in America, God might show us mercy.
And we could maybe, to quote Abraham Lincoln, have a new birth of freedom.
Well, I want to read a scripture just to start out with.
What does God hate?
He says, a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood.
Six things that the Lord hates.
Now, if the Lord hates something, I want to hate it.
That's right.
We have to.
I hate whatever God hates.
And I'm going to love whatever God loves.
Amen.
And it says you shed innocent blood.
And that's what's happened by the millions in the world this day.
And I'm so glad you dedicated your life.
I'm getting a bit old.
So how old are you, by the way, Seth?
I'm 33.
You look about 20.
And I'm glad that we got some youth coming up that take up this banner.
Amen.
Because abortion, listen to me.
Abortion is going to destroy America.
God is not going to wink at it anymore.
Terrible times are coming.
And I just want to have everybody pray for you and stand with you and remind us how you have fought for the survival of the unborn.
That's right.
He's done a bunch of pre-born rallies to also rally for the unborn.
And we want to make sure that he can have the opportunity to talk about that.
I want to ask you something before we talk about that.
I want to ask you: how can America, who loves freedom and loves God and loves people, say, anyway, how can we sit back and allow millions of children, unborn children, be murdered in their mother's womb?
What's changing America that's allowing this to happen?
Yeah, so Jim, we've taken freedom and liberty for granted for so long in America, bro, that we forget what an exception the American experiment is.
Listen, guys, human sacrifice, guess what?
It's the norm in human history.
That's right.
Killing babies, eating them, okay?
Sacrificing your children, infants, adults from another tribe, ripping the hearts out of your Aztec people and offering it up to the sun god Witzelopokly at 1484 at the Temple Mayor at Tenochtitlan, right before Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue, okay?
Throwing your children onto great flaming pyres, sacrificing your wife or daughters in the belief that the fertility god or the sex goddess or the crop god or the weather god would bless your land and your life would be improved.
All of this kind of stuff, it is the norm in his, in human history.
Remove God from a society and people kill babies.
They kill each other.
They sacrifice each other.
What we're seeing in America is not progressivism.
Okay, there's nothing progressive about secular progressivism, as it turns out.
Everything about secular progressivism, whatever they call themselves, it's all regressive, regressive.
It's a return to ancient pagan demoniac practices that have always destroyed societies and civilizations.
And by the way, it's the killing of babies that incites our Lord's most colorful language in the Old Testament.
You know, they say things like, well, the Bible doesn't have any teaching on abortion.
There's nothing in there about abortion.
Okay, the word abortion doesn't occur in the Bible, but it does say don't shed innocent blood.
It does say don't murder.
It does say God says that you've sacrificed your sons and daughters to demons and the land is desecrated with blood.
And so I give you over to be ruled by those who hate you.
God says about child sacrifice that it never entered my mind that you would do this.
But of course, God's omniscient.
He knows that they were going to do that.
He's using language to communicate how horrific and appalling what his own people were participating in was to him.
Okay, so like all of this evil we're seeing in America right now, we shouldn't be surprised by it, actually.
But we are surprised by it because we've taken the fruit of biblical faith in America and its dissemination into our republic in this free, amazing country for granted for so long that we somehow think that we're immune from the same kinds of activities and pagan practices that most societies participated in throughout human history.
So as Christianity declines in America, we're not entering a utopian libertarian dream.
What we're realizing is we're descending back into neo-pagan revivalism.
So your question, Jim, probably deserves an entire hour message.
We don't have the time for that together, but that's the beginning of an answer.
And so this is not political.
We didn't become political.
The other side redefined the terms of engagement and labeled everything that is fundamentally a biblical theological issue, gender, boys, girls, marriage, family, babies.
And they labeled these things political issues to silence the prophetic voice of the church in America who is still under the spell of the Johnson Amendment and will only speak as much truth as the spirit of the age allows them to, lest they lose their 501c3 statuses.
I'm surprised somebody doesn't take you out because that's what they do nowadays.
They just kill the people they don't want to talk.
And we're living in perilous times.
And I want to tell you something.
Listen to me.
God is not going to put up with the lawlessness and the killing of our unborn children in America much longer.
Judgment of God is going to come.
And the end times are here.
And I'm telling people, we have got to turn to God.
That's right.
Yeah, we absolutely have to.
Seth, a judge in Ohio has ruled that the heartbeat bill, he has ruled it unconstitutional.
I want you to watch this and I want to get your opinion on this.
An Ohio law that restricted most abortions is now unconstitutional after the passage of issue one this year, or last year, I should say.
The Hamilton County Common Police Court Judge Christian Jenkins is saying that the Heartbeat Act violates issue one, which enshrined abortion rights into Ohio's constitution.
The Heartbeat Act banned abortion once a heartbeat was detected.
That can be as early as six weeks into pregnancy.
It did not include exceptions for rape or incest.
So this new ruling is getting mixed reaction, as you can imagine, from those for and against abortion rights.
This is a really awful rule and unfortunate thing we mourn it.
But I think it's really the beginning of voters saying what is truly now in our state constitution.
It's fantastic news because it means that Ohioans and people from surrounding communities can continue to receive the care that they need at the nine abortion clinics in Ohio.
Seth, what's your opinion on that?
Ohio is not the only state to have codified abortion into their state constitution.
Okay, so has Michigan, so has California, so is Washington, and so has Kansas.
And now there's 10 states that will decide in a few days here with this election if they're going to codify abortion into their state constitution.
And this has been the left's battle.
Okay.
This is what they've been pushing is now with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, it goes back to the states, which in and of itself is wrong because our founding documents, I'm talking the 14th Amendment, okay, Constitution, that no one can be denied of the right to life without due process of law.
Okay, that's the right upon which all of their rights are built.
So if you don't get the right to life right, you won't get any other rights right, right?
And those who believe that the right to life can merely be removed by judicial fiat and decide which humans qualify for the status of personhood, which humans qualify for the right to life, guess what?
They'll do that to you one day too.
If being human is no longer enough to have the right to life, because we know the unborn is human, but I guess they don't get the right to life federally in all 50 states, then how much longer until those same people determine that there's something about you, Christian, that makes you not have the right to life, you not be a person, even though you're a human.
So it's very important to talk about when we talk about abortion, we're not just talking about abortion itself.
We're talking about the most fundamental aspects of human nature and the most fundamental questions about what it means to be human.
What does it mean to be a human?
What does it mean to have rights?
Where do these rights come from?
Are governments instituted among men to recognize and protect these rights?
Or do nine Supreme Court justices just get to decide if you're a person or not?
So it's very important that we realize we're dealing with something even way bigger than the killing of babies.
We're dealing about what does it mean to be human and do we all share the right to life equally and in common?
And so unfortunately, what's happening now is pro-life laws that would have saved many babies are now being completely ignored.
They're dead on arrival, actually, in states that have codified abortion into their state constitution.
If that happens this next few days in states like, let's see, Idaho, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Arizona, and several others, then all pro-life legislative efforts in those states become dead on arrival.
And it makes the fight to end abortion and stop the bloodshed of the unborn, it's going to extend that fight by decades.
I attribute this to the cowardly and silent pulpits of America.
Why?
Because evangelicals, as you guys both know, are the largest voting block in America.
They're also the weakest voting bloc in America simultaneously.
Meaning, if pastors would preach the full counsel of God, actually be gospel preachers who preach the word of God without compromise, boldly and with authority, then the sheep who follow the congregants will begin to vote right.
We'll begin to see these issues right.
We'll begin to stand up against these issues.
But we know most pastors and pulpits and churches in America are completely silent when it comes to these issues.
Or they're saying, God doesn't care how you vote because we just preach the gospel.
We don't do politics.
Or they're actually on the left.
They're actually like having Kamala Harris come share her thoughts on a Sunday morning as we're seeing happen recently right now.
It's the fault of the pastors and the churches in America who don't mobilize their people to stand for righteousness that we are now looking at losing some of these abortion amendment fights in the other 10 states that are trying to do what Ohio has already done and protect abortion as a state constitutional right through all nine months of pregnancy.
It's pagan, it's demonic, it's evil, and the church needs to wake up.
That's what we're doing with my ministry, The White Rose Resistance, and with my film and book, The 1916 Project, is showing people where these ideas come from, how demonic and evil it was, how integrated, how coordinated, how strategic the enemy has been so that we see that this is fundamentally spiritual and theological, but it does manifest in the cultural and political realm, and Christians need to fight there as well.
Something's happened that we've just accepted abortion as a part of Americans' life.
Why We Stand Against Abortion 00:07:08
And I don't accept it.
And I don't think you should accept it.
And I think we ought to stand against killing of the unborn.
God created a wonderful plan when he created man to create a new generation of people.
And we are foregoing God's plans and putting man's plan and saying that we have a right to kill our unborn children.
Now, if somebody killed me when I was an unborn baby, I'd be dead right now.
So what is this that we have the right to kill unborn?
God has made men and women to create babies.
Not to have sex, but to have babies, to raise, have a family.
Are you listening to me at all?
Yeah.
I think everybody's turning abortion off.
I think you think it's a foregone thing.
But I'll tell you what, America is about to experience the greatest judgment it's ever had.
And I say that from God.
You better be careful.
We better stand up.
Churches better preach the full gospel, every word that's in the Bible, that God hates shedding innocent blood.
That's right.
He absolutely does.
You know, Seth, I wanted to ask you, what are the parallels of the White Rose Organization then and the White Rose Resistance today, which is your ministry?
Yeah, so we tell the story of the original White Rose Resistance at the end of the book, brother, and at the end of the film, the 1916 Project, which for your listeners is streaming for free right now on Twitter on X.
It's a 1916 Project film, but if you search it on Twitter, you'll have no problem finding that.
You can watch the full film right now.
And we tell that story because we're facing the similar evils today.
I mean, it's, listen, we talk a lot about the evil left and how coordinated their strategy and campaign has been, right?
To usher in death, to attack the church, to destroy the family, to usher in transgenderism, to confuse minors about their gender, to give two daddies babies to be raised by without any mothers.
And one of those dads is not biologically related to the child at all.
All of the stuff that's happened since same-sex marriage or whatever.
We talk a lot about like the evil left and all that they've done to America, but we don't talk enough about like the heroes of the faith and the heritage of Christianity and our brothers and sisters in the Great Cloud of Witnesses who in their era fought similar things, faced similar battles and fights.
Some of them gave the ultimate price to fight evil and they weren't successful in stopping the evil.
Some of them paid the ultimate price and they did defeat evil and it brought about a cultural shift in their generation.
We need to tell more of these stories, remember the saints of the past who have gone before us.
And we tried to do that a little bit with the White Rose Resistance.
It's not just the namesake of my pro-life nonprofit organization.
It's also the story of a bunch of kids in their 20s in 1942 and 1943 in Nazi Germany, all in their 20s, who became horrified of what was happening.
They were Christians.
They were trying to wake people up and they would write these illegal leaflets and they would spread them all across Germany.
And they called themselves the White Rose Resistance and their papers they called leaflets of the White Rose.
And they said things like, if you know, why do you not act?
They said things like, we're the White Rose Resistance.
We are your bad conscience.
And we will not leave you alone.
They said, we are Christian and we are German.
Therefore, we are responsible for Germany, right?
That God's going to hold the church and Christians more accountable with the gifts that He's given them.
And in America, where we, the people, are the sovereign, right?
Actually, we're the governing authority in America.
How much more are American Christians going to be held to account for these evils when they could have gotten involved, they could have done something, but they didn't?
So we should say, we are Christian and we are American, therefore we are responsible for America.
And all these kids in their 20s eventually were killed and wiped out by the Nazis, guys.
But the two most inspirational figures were a brother and sister named Hans and Sophie Scholl.
And in February 18th, 1942, they walked onto the campus at the University of Munich, a campus that you'll see if you watch our film, The 1916 Project.
And yeah, there's Sophie right there.
And her and her brother started distributing their leaflets all around the university, okay?
And while class was in session and the halls were quiet.
Now, this was dangerous.
Like if you guys know a little bit of your history, right?
Like this is 1942.
So the universities had been co-opted by the Third Reich into either obedience or silence to their agenda.
And so the class is released and Sophie runs three stories up to the third floor balcony of the University of Munich and she throws 100 leaflets three stories down to the atrium below.
Now, when you throw a paper, you know what happens, right?
It goes everywhere.
The janitor catches Sophie, calls the Gestapo, and Hans and Sophie, brother and sister, are arrested.
And four days later, they have their heads chopped off.
They're beheaded on a guillotine for trying to wake up Christians and those who knew better to stand up against Hitler's regime.
And so it's an incredible story because of their youth and their clarity and their willingness to sacrifice to stop evil and awaken the moral and spiritual intuitions of Christians who ought to have known better to do something.
And also to your question, brother, I want to finish with this.
The last reason that we called ourselves the White Rose Resistance and why we make a lot of these links to what we're facing today and to what they faced then in Nazi Germany is because of all of the links and cohesion and impact and connective tissue that exists between American eugenicists and sexual revolutionary cultural Marxist weirdos and Adolf Hitler and his goons.
Okay, this is not like you're not a conspiracy theorist.
Okay.
Let them call you whatever they want.
I'm an intellectual ADHD homeschool kid who knows how to do my research.
Okay.
And I find these books and I find these documents of stuff that exposed what happened then and the links between American leftists and the Third Reich.
And this stuff has been whitewashed from the American people because if they were to wake up and recognize that not only are we facing the same agenda, but that the Democrat Party and the left today, they walk in the same political and philosophical tradition as people who were actually in conversation with Hitler and his goons and inspiring them for the policies that they got the blueprints from from America.
Nuremberg Trials Revelations 00:15:23
And let me give you an example of what I mean by this.
Okay.
At the Nuremberg trials, right before we hung a bunch of Nazis, right?
Everyone should know what the Nuremberg trials are.
The Nazis cited a United States Supreme Court decision in their defense at the Nuremberg trials, as if to say, like, who are you to judge us?
Like you Americans were doing eugenics before we were.
We got our ideas from you.
And that Supreme Court decision was called Buck versus Bell, 1927 Supreme Court decision that in an 8-1 decision, eight of the Supreme Court justices ruled to allow the state to forcibly sterilize Americans that the white liberal elites determined should not be allowed to reproduce or have children.
Okay, if you guys hear the word eugenics, you should be thinking of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Xi Jinping.
Okay, that's all eugenics.
Okay.
And eugenics is basically like, we want good genes and we want them to have kids.
And people with bad genes, like the mentally and physically disabled, people that we think are dumber with lower IQs, like those should they, they shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
It's a really nasty, demonic ideology.
It's called eugenics.
Well, guess who celebrated and endorsed the Buck versus Bell decision in 1927, after which over 70,000 Americans were tied down to tables and forcibly sterilized by their state governments?
Guess who celebrated and endorsed that decision in 1927?
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.
Okay.
And she had a board member named Lothrop Stoddard, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood, who was a high official of the Massachusetts KKK, the Ku Klux Klan.
And Sanger's board member, Lothrop Stoddard, inspired the German term Untermensch, meaning subhuman, to describe those that they would exterminate.
I have his book behind me in my bookcase back here.
I got a $300 book from Germany.
It was the only one I could find available for sale online.
And his book, The Menace of the Underman, described those that he thought should not be allowed to reproduce, right?
The people that he thought like we should literally kill or sterilize and put them into sterilization camps so that they cannot have children.
This was the founding board member of Planned Parenthood.
Well, the Nazis really liked this book, The Menace of the Underman, shocker.
And so the Third Reich paid for the German translated version of his book into Germany.
It was from that book, The Menace of the Underman, that Heinrich Himmler got the phrase Untermensch, which became the title of his famous Nazi propaganda book, Der Untermensch.
Lothrop Stoddard was then invited to the Third Reich in 1939 to meet with Hitler and other high-ranking Nazis.
He's the only American to have had a one-on-one meeting with Hitler after he rose to power.
The reason I'm rambling so much right now is just to give a few Easter eggs from our book and film so that you people understand why we need Christian resistance once again.
Okay, like we're not just facing evil, we're facing the same kind of evils that wiped out over 100 million innocent human beings killed by their state governments between 1900 and the year 2000.
That's right.
More innocent human beings were slaughtered by the state, their own government, between, well, the 20th century, than all human beings killed by warlords, criminals, and tyrants in all of previous human history before the year 1900 combined.
The 20th century was the deadliest and bloodiest 100-year period in all of world history.
And yet they tell you that they're progressives.
It was the progressive ideology called eugenics that led to over 100 million people being slaughtered in the 20th century.
And a lot of those millions are comprised of unborn babies whose bloodshed can be traced back to the mother of abortion, Margaret Sanger, whose best friends were in communication with Adolf Hitler as they served on her board of directors.
If you think that ideology won't at one point come to knock on the front door of the remnant and the church in America as well, you're a fool who does not understand how dangerous ideas can be.
So we need the church to wake up.
And that's what we're doing, guys.
We're rebuilding Christian resistance.
We're launching chapters.
We're doing a conference in DC for the church in January, right after the inauguration, when we're getting believers to start chapters in their city to push back against abortion, to push back against the sexualization of children.
So the church will retake her place on the wall and once again, give God a reason to show America mercy.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, we want to play that 1916 Project Trailer for you.
Go ahead and take a look at this.
What Christians often don't understand in the culture wars and in the fight for life is that abortion is not just one issue among many.
Abortion is almost the lynchpin upon which the liberal establishment swings.
But what happens when you pull out a linchpin?
The door falls off.
It takes a long time to go from a few intellectuals believing some bad ideas to bringing those ideas into the culture more and more and more until they bear fruit.
The answer how we got here is because of the silence and inaction of the church.
Somebody might say, well, you know, Margaret Sanger, she didn't quite know exactly what she was doing.
Well, first of all, you're speaking from ignorance because she wrote about herself and she wrote what her plans were, so much so that she, hello, impressed Adolf Hitler.
How do you impress Hitler?
A father walks up to me wearing a BLM shirt and he says to me, Why are you out here fighting a white man's issue?
But he was a walking poster child for all things CRT because in critical race theory, you see racism in all things and at all times.
Even when a six foot four, 260 pound black man is trying to save a baby.
We're going to expose and discover who the real Margaret Sanger was and how her attack and assault against the family in America explains our current culture of death and upside down world that we're living in today.
This is where it all started.
It was here that Sanger opened up her first unlicensed, illegal birth control clinic in 1916.
Study the past, not just to understand what happened then, but to understand what's happening now.
This is a leviathan.
It's a fitting place to remember what happens when bad ideas are taken to their logical conclusion.
We bless the holy name of Jesus and we shout, let the baby live.
Let the baby live.
Stop waiting for someone else to grow a righteous culture of life for you and on your family's behalf.
It will not happen.
If not you, who?
If not now, when Seth, what are people that watch the film or read the book usually most shocked to find out about Sanger?
I think people don't realize that Planned Parenthood was started to really erase unwanted people.
And they put the clinics in the black neighborhoods.
And I keep telling my black friends, in New York, about half of the babies now are aborted in New York City.
Am I right?
Yep, almost in New York City.
It was worse in 2019, but it's still almost that bad.
One of the things you learned from the film is that abortion is higher per capita in the black community than any other racial class.
And that's not an accident.
That's by design, guys.
So about 3% to 4% of America would be black women who are still ovulating, still able to have children.
And the abortion rate in the abortions in America, about 39 to 40% of them are black babies.
So about 3% to 4% of the population are responsible for almost 40% of the nation's abortion.
So if you're Planned Parenthood, is that a good bang for your buck?
Yeah, you bet.
If you're in the business of killing babies, getting 40% of your sales from 3% to 4% of your clientele base, that's a great sale.
And that's also all by design.
So to go back to what I was saying earlier, there's no coincidence that the founding board member of Planned Parenthood, Lothrop Stoddard, was a high official of the Massachusetts KKK.
A lot of this stuff has been infused with racism from the very beginning.
So I'd say the number one most shocking response people have is usually, I never knew.
It's usually the number one response is, I've never heard any of this before, Seth.
I've never heard any of this.
And these are believers who are pretty engaged in the culture.
And they're like, I've never heard this before.
So how many people in the broader public who are not Christian, they're not students of history, do you think have actually know this stuff?
Probably almost none of them, which is why if this film goes viral, even in the next few days leading up to the election, Kamala Harris could really horrifically lose the black vote.
And that would be an absolute God thing.
So we're trying to wake not just black America, but the church up to how demonic and evil this agenda is.
And like I said, if you're listening to this, go to the1916project.com and press host a screening.
Bring this screening to your church, to your community, and then pick up the book, The 1916 Project, The Lying, The Witch, and the War We're In, which goes way deeper.
There's way more in the book if you want to learn more about this demonic agenda and what the church can do to end it.
The abortion industry and Margaret Sanger in Planned Parenthood.
The left is based most of their campaign on abortion.
What in the world is going to happen to America if we don't stop this?
Yeah, so I actually believe, Jim, we're already under the judgment of God in America, actually.
I hope and pray that Kamala Harris does not become president, obviously.
But if she does, this might be a hard word for people to hear.
That might be one of God's judgment on America, actually.
She's the furthest left, most radical politician as a senator when she was sent in California.
And that was a rating she received from a left-wing political group that rated her further left than Bernie Sanders as the most radical left-wing senator when she was in California.
She just said on national television the other day, I don't know if you guys saw it, that she would absolutely coerce pro-life nurses to perform abortions upon threat of career termination.
And that actually happened to a nurse in Vermont at a hospital a few years ago.
She was pressured into helping assist with an abortion upon threat of career termination.
So now we're at the point of forced participation in the culture of death.
In other words, kill babies or else, or else you'll be canceled.
You'll lose your job.
You won't be able to provide for your children.
Okay.
That shouldn't surprise us either.
And I don't have time to get Kamala Harris's whole record.
Go to my show, The Seth Grouper Show.
We've done a whole podcast on her history.
But if she does become president, that might be one of God's judgment on America for how long that we've been funding, celebrating, participating, and remaining apathetic toward the killing of over 70 million babies in the last 50 years.
You know, Seth, we've had a lot of questions about even the film.
Why did you make this free?
Why did you just publicly put it out on Twitter on X just for anybody to be able to watch?
Yeah, well, because knowledge is power, brother, right?
When people know the history behind liberalism, leftism, the sexual revolution, when they see where these ideas came from and how it's connected to today's cultural insanity, you start living differently.
You start voting differently.
Like, I think if this film went viral, people would run from the Democrat Party.
They would run from Kamala Harris.
And we have to understand that there has been a very blatant agenda to hide and bury some of these disgusting pieces of history that are connected to the left today, because they understand that if the normal American were to know some of this stuff in my book and film, they could not participate in today's Democrat Party, in today's left-wing cultural revolution.
And that's what we need.
We need good people to speak up, to stand up, to push back.
And so, yeah, I didn't want to prohibit anyone from being able to see the film because they didn't have the money to pay to see it.
So it's streaming for free right now on Twitter on X.
It's got over 2 million views, and there's a Spanish version as well for people to see.
Well, I hope everybody will look at it.
And why do you think mainstream ministries are calling themselves pro-life now?
Pro-choice.
Pro-choice.
But I mean, they, you know, they hedge this whole thing.
And they say a woman should have the right to her body, but this is not God's plan.
Well, no, no, no, no one has a right to abortion because the fetus has a right to the uterus, because the uterus is the only organ in a woman's body that is not there for her body.
The uterus is the only organ in a woman's body that is specifically there for another body.
It is designed to house and protect the pre-born child.
So when women say, I have a right to abortion, my body, my choice.
Actually, you don't have a right to abortion.
Actually, your fetus has a right to your body, mother, because it's dwelling in an organ called a uterus that was designed for the baby.
And so I have fun with people on campuses.
Obviously, they don't really know what to do with a white, heterosexual, six-foot-three Christian dude who knows how to answer all of their overt, disgusting bigotry and flip it upside down.
So we do, we do university campuses to tours as well.
You can check out some of my clips on social media.
They're quite entertaining.
And we just flip leftism upside down and make people go humana, human, hummana, humana, because turns out abortion is indefensible.
And when you show people abortion, abortion protests itself.
And so we need to show people pictures of what abortion does to little babies.
And we need to be able to be skilled enough and bold enough to speak out against this culture of death and awaken people's moral intuitions to exactly how evil and against nature the killing of a baby is.
And once again, I'm going to say it again.
Lost Rights on Television 00:01:24
That's the church's duty.
That's the church's role.
Okay.
These are Genesis one through three issues, right?
We're talking about like marriage, be fruitful and multiply, exercise dominion, fill the earth and subdue it.
Have babies, get married.
Like, this is all like, these are our territory.
They came into our territory, labeled all of our issues, biblical, spiritual issues.
They labeled them political to try to silence pastors who are cowardly and don't want to be seen as associated with politics.
But we're actually just asking the church to preach against false religion and to stand up for orphans and what is when I was on first many years ago on the air.
I found pictures of an abortion clinic with barrels of babies.
And I showed it on television.
And I lost my rights to be on television in New York City.
They took me off the air.
And that's what's freedom today is they say it's freedom to kill babies.
But we've got to stand up for God's word.
Bundled Humanity 00:14:12
I think we have a clip from the movie.
That's right, yeah, from Dr. George Grant.
Let's watch this roll in.
And he saw babies in a dumpster.
Let's watch this, please.
I was thinking at an educational conference in Kansas City, Missouri, and a group of pro-life friends there invited me to come to their Saturday morning sidewalk counseling and prayer time.
They believed that this particular Planned Parenthood clinic disposed of all medical waste in a dumpster behind the building.
So I decided to go see.
And what I did find was a bundle.
As I peeled back the layers of gauze, I realized that I was holding a child looking into unseeing eyes.
This beautiful child.
It was an astonishing moment where every form of violence and opposition to what is right and good and true was right there before my eyes.
It was such a clear indication of what was at stake that I determined that I had to write the book, Grand Illusions.
That became the opening chapter, that sequence.
To this day, that moment haunts my every waking moment.
Although it was horrific, I would never take it back because once and for all, I saw clearly what is at stake here.
So I have plenty of emotions around this issue, but I want those emotions to be informed.
I want those emotions to be shaped by what is right and good and true.
There are a lot of people who get involved in the pro-life movement out of sentiment.
And sentiment is good, but sentiment has to be shaped.
It has to be discipled.
It has to be formed.
It has to be informed.
Part of the reason that I've taken the historical, biblical, and scholarly approach to a lot of these issues is we have to attack this Leviathan, not just leaf and branch, but trunk and root.
And the only way that we can do that is if we know our stuff.
What do you think is the most significant misconception about the pro-life movement?
And what are you going to do to dispel this myth?
You mean the pro-choice movement?
Yes, did I say what I say?
I'm old.
Yeah, I mean, there's so many.
That's a great question, by the way.
There are so many misconceptions about the pro-abortion movement.
I would say that the easiest way to answer that would just be to focus on the humanity of the baby.
I mean, we go into the history, right?
Like, oh, abortion exists for women, right?
It's like, no, it actually abortion and planned parent was launched to obliterate the unfit and to sterilize people that Sanger and her white elite friends didn't think should be allowed to have children.
That's why Sanger launched the Negro Project in 1939.
Like, okay, yeah, like we can go to the whole history, get the book, the 1960 Project, if you want the whole answer to that.
But like, I like to focus on the humanity of the baby, right?
Is it a human being?
Okay, yes, it is a human being because it has human parents and all living things reproduce after their own kind.
Does it have rights?
Well, do human beings have a right to life?
Yeah, I guess that's what our founding documents say, right?
And that we're endowed with certain inalienable rights, that among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
So do all human beings get the right to life?
Do you get the right to life because you're human?
Or do you get the right to life because of certain cognitive abilities or mental functions or desires?
Wait, wait a second.
That's what the Nazis were saying as well.
They were saying, well, we believe that these classes of human beings are not as smart.
They don't have as high of a high IQ.
Maybe they're epileptics.
Maybe they have severe mental disabilities.
So maybe they shouldn't be allowed to have children.
That's right.
The same ideology that dehumanizes the unborn dehumanizes the mentally deficient or people at the end of life struggling with Alzheimer's or dementia.
The same people who support the killing of babies support the killing of those other classes.
And it's because they say, well, because a human being or a person isn't just biological, it's your mental faculties.
And if you lose some of those mental faculties, hey, we can kill you.
It's disgusting and demonic, but it has a similar common denominator, doesn't it?
Which is that being human is not enough to have rights.
You've got to perform in a certain way.
No, I reject all human plus categories.
I reject human plus Aryan, human plus white, human plus born.
I reject that.
I say if you're human, that's it.
That's enough.
You get human rights.
So we have a very broad and inclusive ethic as Christians.
We say if you're human, you get rights.
Hallelujah.
Praise God.
The left is very exclusive.
They're very discriminatory in who they determine gets rights of personhood.
They say you have to be human plus born, right?
They say you have to be human plus able to function in certain ways.
That always opens the door for the discrimination and dehumanizing of other classes as well.
So I would say the most broad misconception about the pro-abortion movement is that they exist for women's health care.
Abortion is not health care because pregnancy is not a disease and babies aren't tumors.
That's a human being with a right to life.
And they have a right to your body because the uterus is for them.
So man up, woman up, become an adult, and take responsibility for your sexual choices.
I'm telling you, we are at the point of no eternity in America.
We've got to turn to God.
We've got to stop murdering their babies.
Now, here at Morningside, we have built Lori's house that's three stories tall and it's a multi-million dollar building.
Beautiful structure.
And we say that wall back there is pictures of all the babies.
There's Lori's house right there on the screen right now.
And it's a beautiful place.
I built it with some of the finest materials in the world.
And it is there to save babies.
That's the only purpose it has is to save babies.
Amen.
And if you know somebody who is thinking about aborting a baby, let them come to Lori's house and we will help them and take them for medical, everything they need.
Amen.
And so they can keep their baby or they can adopt it out if they don't want to keep the baby.
That's right.
There's been so many children born at Lori's house.
As you can see on the screen there, this is a beautiful home.
All you have to do is go to our Lori's House website.
You can go to jimbakershow.com and just type in the church bar, Lori's House, and you'll be able to find more information on that.
But, you know, it's because of our partners that have partnered with us that have allowed us to build that and sustain that.
You know, this is a product of the PTL television network, and we're honored to do it every single week to ensure that these mothers have everything they need.
Like you said, doctors, visits, transportation back and forth, adoption agencies, if that's the route they choose to go.
But a lot of these women, once they see their baby born, they want to keep them.
So what do we do?
We help them for even a year after they're born to make sure that they're sustainable in a job with daycare, things like that, so that they can go out and have a good life for this baby that, you know, at one point they may have thought they didn't want.
And they're so happy.
They come back every year.
For a reunion.
And we have a big reunion.
Yes.
And they all come together and bring those babies.
And they're getting to be grown children now.
That's right.
And I know at Heritage USA, when I was in prison, people would mail me pictures of grown kids that were saved at the place there.
That's right, Heritage.
At Heritage.
That's right.
And so I've always saved babies if I can do it.
But it's a fraction of what are being murdered.
But we're going to do what we can do.
And you can help us.
And you can order food or any other thing that's on our website.
You just go to the website and order any books or anything.
And you're going to help me stay on the air and to be able to fund the house that saves babies.
That's right.
All the different ministries that we have, Lori's House being one of the most prevalent, one of the best ministries we have.
We also do work in other countries, building churches, building homes for pastors, feeding those communities of people who might not have access to food.
We're planting rows and rows and acres of beans and rice and things in other countries, helping them all through Morningside Church.
Why?
Because we believe that we are the hands and feet of Christ and we believe that we are supposed to be out there and making a difference, not just talking about a difference, not just imagining a better future, but we are helping create a better future.
And it's all through partnership.
Like Pastor Jim said, all you have to do is go to that jimbakershow.com.
Anything on that affiliate program, whether it be our church from Steadfast American that we have, which are, you know, a good way to proclaim your bold faith, going out in the streets, going out to the grocery stores, going out to the banks, or whether it be donating to Lori's house or, like you said, preparing yourself with food, with water, with books, educational DVDs, anything like that goes to help the ministry so that we can continue to do our hands and feet work, not just here within the United States of America, but globally.
We appreciate you standing with us.
We're in the end days.
Amen.
And believe me, it's getting worse every day.
And we need to turn to God.
Everybody needs to make sure that you're right with God.
You know, I've been writing a book about forgiveness.
Amen.
About forgiving everybody in the church and forgiving each other.
Amen.
You don't have to judge anybody.
Did you know that?
He says, if you don't forgive, you'll not be forgiven.
That's right.
So for the church to be happy, you've got to love one another.
Amen.
And that's what I want you to do is love each other and to love God and make sure Jesus Christ is alive in your heart.
All you got to do is ask him to come in and he'll forgive you of all your sins, even the ones the devil keeps reminding you.
He's a liar.
God says, I'll forget them.
He calls it the sea of God's forgetfulness.
Amen.
And so I want you to be able to have complete forgiveness of your sin and be ready to meet Jesus when you go to heaven or when the end comes.
But we are living in perilous times.
It's time to turn to Jesus.
And I want you to stand with Zeth.
Zeth does some great work.
That's right.
You have Seth Gruber.
You can go look at his podcast anywhere.
Seth Gruber podcast.
We want you to support him and his ministry, the White Rose Resistance.
Go stream this at your church.
Go watch this in the comfort of your home.
You can find it on TwitterX.
Seth, if people are going to follow you on social media, just give them the plug of where they need to be and your podcast, website, all that stuff.
Yeah, thank you, brother.
It's Seth Gruper official on Instagram or thewhiterose.life on Instagram to follow the White Rose Resistance.
Also, the 1916 Project.
You'll find all that on Instagram.
We're also on X on Twitter.
The show is on Rumble, on YouTube, and on any audio podcast streaming app.
It's called the Seth Gruber Show.
And we'd love to have some of you guys at any of our White Rose Resistance live events where you can really experience the rebirth of Christian resistance and mobilizing believers to launch chapters and do more than just vote.
Voting is the beginning of our duty, but we got to do a lot more to change this culture.
And so join us in Washington, D.C. if you'd like to come to a live event on January 23rd, January 23, the day before the March for Life.
We have a thousand people at the West End in downtown D.C. for Life or Death Con, meaning like conference, Life or Death Con.
And come here from Eric Metaxas and Ali Bestucci, Dr. George Grant in the film, Dr. Nancy Piercy, myself, and many other warriors as we rebuild a courageous church and then commission believers on what to do to change the culture.
So that's lifeordeathcon.com, but you can learn about that at our website as well.
And brothers, thank you so much for having me on and letting me share my heart.
And it is life or death.
Make sure you choose life.
Jesus loves you.
He really does.
I have to go.
Bye-bye for today.
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