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May 21, 2024 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show With Ron Bryce and Mike Hammond (FULL EPISODE)
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Special Guests On Air 00:06:16
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, snuggled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guests are member of the Kansas State House of Representatives, the owner of Coffeeville Coffee Company, and practicing physician, Dr. Ron Bryce, and owner and founder of Signal Relief, Mike Hammond.
Our co-hosts today are Mondo De La Vega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Ricky Baker.
Hello, you're watching Jim Baker's PTL Television Network.
Our announcer forgot to announce the other co-hosts we have on the show today.
We have Jacqueline Bell Baker.
Oh, here we go.
Thank you, Luke.
And we have Luke Orson Baker.
Luke, can you say hi to the people?
Hi.
How?
There we go.
We have hello son.
We also have Brooke Baker here with us.
Brooke, how are you doing?
Oh, Jacqueline's got you.
Look at that.
And who do you have strapped to you right there?
I have Evangeline Jean Baker.
Evangeline.
Evangeline Jean Baker.
That's right.
We have three sweet babies, as you can tell.
Oh, there we go.
And there's Jacqueline right there.
Jaclyn, tell them what just happened in your life.
How old are you now?
Four.
Four years old.
And the only person who didn't get her present was Uncle Mondo.
Uncle Mondo is the only one.
Wait, wait, wait.
I got a gift.
Oh, wait.
Oh, look at her.
Oh, this is from Mila and Mateo and NTB and Uncle Mondo.
Thank you.
And we have been waiting for this to do this.
Happy birthday, Jacqueline.
Make sure you look at the inside of this little box because there's a treat there, but don't tell your mom and dad.
Let's see what's on the inside of there.
Let's see what's on the inside of there.
Sugar-free chocolate.
Yeah, one of those.
Hey, we rock with the sugar-free round here.
But Jacqueline's four years old.
Luke is a year and a half years old, and Evangeline is 13, 12 weeks old.
Brooke keeps me on the straight and narrow, 12 weeks old.
Now, you may be wondering, why do we have all these children up here?
What is this all about?
I want to let you know that BTL Television Network, the Jim Baker Family Show, we stand with life.
We love life, and we understand that every child is a gift from God.
Now, you know, we heard at the beginning of the broadcast announced Dr. Ron Bryce is here with us today.
Dr. Ron, I want to thank you for being on with us today.
And I think you especially like these three little babies, don't you?
Well, these are very special children for me because actually Jim Baker and I are both grandfathers for these three children.
So it's something we have in common.
That's right.
So Dr. Ron Bryce, you are Brooke's father, which is a wonderful blessing.
And we have these three grey babies, which you drove over to be with us in the studio to see them today.
Luke and Jack.
This is the life of Haven Baby.
Oh, I created a family feud.
I was just going to say, all over Mondo's gifts.
So we're going to let him go.
If you read his shirt, it says he wants to be Fisher's.
Oh, yeah, let's stand up.
So he's trying to be a Fisher of Men.
Let's look him up today.
Let's show what the shirt says today, Luke.
Come on.
Yeah.
Fishers of men.
You can tell he likes his little fishing poles.
We're going to take him off with Mama.
We want to thank them for being on the show with us.
I should have got two of them.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I was going to say, Mondo, there you have two packages of chocolate in there.
You should have got two fishing poles.
There you go.
You know, any chance we get to show the children off on the show, we love doing that because we want you to know that we truly do stand with pro-life principles here in America.
We want to make sure that pro-life principles are being implemented in our government policies.
And Ron, you've been a huge implementator of that in the state of Kansas.
You've been fighting for pro-life bills in the state of Kansas because you truly believe in the pro-life aspect of life.
Absolutely.
Thank you, Ricky.
I am in the Kansas House of Representatives currently.
It's my first term.
It's a two-year term.
And when I went in there, I thought I was going to be a small government, cut taxes conservative.
And that's what I had as a mindset.
But when I got in there, my background as a family practice doctor, an emergency room doctor, kind of pushed me into medical issues.
And as part of that, I was able to shepherd through pro-life legislation, legislation geared at not mutilating children through transgender surgery, legislation to make adoption more feasible, legislation last year.
And I think last time I was here, I talked about it, but there's what I actually call infanticide was being pushed by some where a baby who survives the abortion procedure, in my point of view, needs to have all the health care that is available for any comparable child.
We did pass that legislation.
The governor of Kansas is not conservative.
She is not pro-life.
She vetoed that legislation, which I find appalling that someone would promote taking the life of a baby because they were supposed to die from abortion.
But that's the position they took.
We overrode that veto, thank God, against all odds.
And I was very happy to carry that.
Amen.
You know, I want to read this bio because this is important.
Dr. Ron Bryce is currently serving in the Kansas State House of Representatives.
He's the owner of Coffeyville Coffee.
And Ron is also actively practicing physician and a retired medical school professor.
And he was appointed by Governor Rick Perry to the Texas Medical Board serving from 2001 to 2012.
And you are also the author of a book called The Fingerprint of God, which a lot of our partners, they've received this book.
They love this book.
So if someone is interested in the book, what's the synopsis of the fingerprint of God?
Well, Ricky, I tell you, when I was a practicing physician, let me just back up and say, even before I was fully practicing, I had a neurological disease that made me quadriplegic.
Persecution and Church Survival 00:11:41
And I was unable to move, unable to feel 1986, 1987 era.
And I thought my life was over.
I was an intern.
I was just becoming a medical doctor.
And I was lying there in the hospital bed month after month.
And I would have people come visit me that would try to lay blame on me for some sin that caused this to come upon me.
And the disease I had was where one part of my body attacked the other part of my body, the nerves.
And so I was thinking about Paul writing that the church is the living body of Christ.
And I was trained to take care of living physical bodies.
And I started to think there's a corollary between God's creation of a living church, a living body, and God's creation of other living physical bodies.
And so the upshot of that is I, over several years, researched how the church is a living organism, so to speak.
It's not an organization.
It's not a business.
It's not a club.
And I think as we look at it more and more, especially as we approach times that may be more, there may be more persecution that we encounter.
Yes.
For instance, Ricky, when I wrote the book, you can read the foreword in the book.
It's written for persecuted Christians worldwide.
And I was thinking of persecuted Christians in communist China.
I was thinking of some of the Islamic countries that persecute Christians and Christians are not allowed to meet.
I never thought I would see this day.
But in the United States of America, in Canada, and much of Western civilization, the church is being persecuted at such a level in such a short period of time.
But the book is about what is the church?
What if the government does start being so tyrannical that we can't meet, we can't discuss, we can't have a Christian influence?
Does that kill the church?
No.
The church is not that business.
It's a living body.
The church is not that club.
It's a living body.
So the book I wrote is a corollary of how the church is like a living body.
I've studied in medical school and treating 100,000 patients over 40 years.
The different parts of the church and how the members interact is so similar to how parts of the body interact that I thought I ought to put that on pen and paper.
And maybe even as a, I had in mind when I was writing it, Christians in the future, where they couldn't meet.
They couldn't do the Sunday morning service.
They couldn't do Sunday school.
But they are still alive.
It's still a living body of Christ.
And so the book is fingerprint of God, the church as a living body.
Amen.
Mondo, that's the times we're living in.
We're truly seeing worldwide persecution.
Like you said, we really thought it was almost exclusive as the American church.
We thought it was exclusive to your Muslim countries, exclusive to your African countries who are being persecuted and killed for their faith.
But we're truly seeing, I mean, there's a staggering number of churches closing their doors, a lot of them due to financial issues, a lot of them due to moral, substantial issues.
But we're also seeing them now starting to close their door in fear of the attacks that are coming upon them.
We saw an issue in Texas, a certain city, where the mayor of that city told the pastoral community, if you're going to preach a sermon, you're going to submit it to my office and I'm going to approve or disapprove.
Mondo, that right there has to be persecution.
We're getting to a point where they're saying, hey, the governing body needs to approve or disapprove your message that you're going to preach.
Yeah, I think we have to understand, right, Dr. Bryce, that persecution in America looks a lot different than it does in Africa or even Iran or even China.
I think when you look at the numbers of between 6,000 to 10,000 churches are closing every year and organizations are coming in and buying buildings and turning them into apartment buildings or condominiums, yet it tells you it goes back to the support system of the body of Christ.
I think when we understand that the body of Christ holds a lot of the responsibility on why a lot of these churches are closing, we can understand why we need the body of Christ.
I'd like to ask you this.
How important is it for the body of Christ to support their local pastors?
Well, of course, it's extremely important.
And I would just like to re-emphasize that the body of Christ is not a quaint idea or a good idea.
That is God's plan for the human race is the church.
Amen.
And if we become complacent, I think we spoke earlier before we were filming.
If the church becomes complacent and we think, for me, I'm 64 years old now, and I can remember back the church in the 70s, the church in the 80s.
And in my mind, sometimes I think the U.S. government, the church, it's all kind of like it was in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s.
It's not.
And I think we have entered a time where we have to be very aware of that and we have to be prepared for potential persecution.
I'm not having a negative message.
I'm just saying we need prayer.
We need dedication.
But most of all, we need courage.
We need people of courage to take a stand, especially in state legislatures, especially in city government, in the national government.
Take a stand for Christian principles, Judeo-Christian principles, because what we are up against is a very, very dark force.
Just look at the demonstrations against Israel currently, the pro-terrorist demonstrations.
These are young people whose minds have been blinded and they're attacking Israel currently.
But do you think Israel is the ultimate goal?
It's the church.
It's God Himself.
That's right.
They've many times chanted it.
We've played it here on this show where they say death to Israel, which is the little Satan, and death to America, which is the big Satan.
They also, we saw a persecution in New York City where they were saying, We are coming after the Saturday people first, and then we will come after the Sunday people next, which they were just referring to they're going to take out the Jewish people and then they will simply come for the Christians next.
But you know what?
You made a great point.
The message that we preach isn't a message of fear at all.
But out to the outside world, it may seem like that.
Whenever Noah was telling the people, hey, I'm building an ark for the salvation of this place, and the people are saying, oh, that's a joke.
That's a joke.
They're saying, oh, he's just trying to fear us or scare us.
There's never been rain ever.
There will never be rain ever.
No, he was warning the people, there is rain coming.
That is why I'm building this.
There is a salvation available for you, friend.
If you're in Jesus Christ as the body of Christ, which is why I love that you wrote the fingerprint of God, you have eternal salvation.
Persecution may come.
You know, there's a parable in the New Testament where it says that there is a house built on a firm foundation and a house built on a sandy foundation, a non-good, non-firm foundation.
The same tribulations came to both homes.
The water rose, the wind was trying to break down the house.
But Mondo, one home stood because it had a firm foundation.
That's the promise we're given as believers: that the trials and tribulations are going to come to us.
Negative things are going to happen.
Life isn't always going to be good and perfect, but we don't have to be destroyed because of the trials and tribulations like the world will be.
You know, as we're looking at the culture change, Dr. Bryce, what do you say to those that said, hey, Christians, the church should not be mixed in with politics because your religion is pushing an agenda that we don't want, yet we're still part of the community?
What do you say to those people that Christian politicians are now getting involved and mixing faith and religion together?
Mondo, I think we need to keep in mind that the nation we live in, the government is of the people.
It's by the people.
It's for the people.
Amen.
Being an American is not a cult, is not an ethnicity, not a race.
It's adherence to a principle in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, and so forth.
Christians need to be part of the government.
Otherwise, there'll be a vacuum and others with a dark agenda will step in.
And unfortunately, that is happening to a great degree, and we need to counter that.
When I first thought about being a politician, I don't even like to think of myself as a politician, Ricky.
You're like a statesman.
I like to be a statesman, but I guess I am a politician.
But a couple of years ago, when I started thinking about this, I was talking with my wife and we were praying about it.
And we were trying to decide.
We've had several discussions.
Do we find 40 acres in the woods and just try to raise our, have our grandchildren and our relatives, you know, self-sufficient and just kind of get away from the world and all the things that are on, you know, pornography and all the things that are in public schools?
Do we just kind of become not Amish, but just kind of self-sufficient and be like in the dark ages where the priests would have the books and have the Christians and they secured all the thoughts of Western civilization so that after the dark ages were over and the collapse of the Roman Empire, it was able to spring forth alive again.
Do we do that?
Or instead of hiding, do we fight?
And my wife and I, I was seriously considering that first alternative, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized we need to fight.
We are at a point in our society, I truly believe as Christians, it's a time of choosing.
We either have courage and we choose to fight, or we go along with what's going on.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
We will fight.
We have had threats.
We have had, you know, not just mean people writing mean things, but actual threats of harm and terrorist letters.
But I don't care.
I'm in an age now, something happens to me, it happens.
You know, I've already had my children and they're raised.
Having my grandchildren now is a blessing.
But I am willing to fight.
I appeal to the Christians listening to us today to fight, to stand up for what you believe in.
And foremost in that, Ricky and Mondo, is the idea of the children.
If you've seen these gay pride marches and they're singing, we're coming for your children.
We're coming for your children.
I heard a gay or LGBT choir in San Francisco and they sang, we're coming for your children.
And I take them at their word.
If you look at what's happening in the state legislatures, if you look at the transgender revolution, if you look at abortion, if you look at what they're doing for pregnancies and how they're taking money away from pregnancy resource centers and what they're doing to public education, it's very, very clear that the time we live in, the children should be a focus.
Bills for and Against Gender Transition Minors 00:04:06
And so I feel like that's my goal and my idea for being in the legislature is to fight for our children because I believe that's where the heart of God is.
That's right.
You know, we're seeing more bills pop up about the issue of helping kids through what they call a transition to another gender.
Can you tell us about that?
Because you've been dealing directly with this on a state level.
Yes, that was a very hot topic this last legislative session.
The Kansas House of Representatives had a bill that I had the privilege of carrying and debating on the House floor that would outlaw under the age of 18 surgical transitions.
In other words, not to be too graphic, but cutting off the genitalia of young children, testicles, cutting off the breasts of young women, permanent surgeries, using the castration chemicals that we use on sex offenders to castrate child sex offenders.
We use them on children to stop puberty, opposite sex hormones.
It's unbelievable to me in my worldview that anyone would think that is a good idea.
But there is a force out there that is very strong politically that is pushing this.
So we had a bill in the Kansas House of Representatives this session that would outlaw under the age of 18 any of these transitions.
And the thought was we probably had a good chance of passing this bill because last year we had a similar bill that lost by about 12 votes.
But since that time, there's been scientific evidence and all of the arguments of the other side have been devastated.
They would argue that we're killing transgender kids because they will commit suicide if they aren't allowed to have their surgery.
And so that was effective.
And even a lot of conservatives, a lot of Republicans thinking, well, I don't agree with this procedure, but if these kids are going to kill themselves, I don't want that.
And so they voted that way.
But now the last 12 to 18 months, there have been numerous studies in Northern Europe, Western Europe, United Kingdom that show these procedures do not prevent suicide and gender dysporic young people.
In fact, the opposite.
And so it is doing harm to these children to do these procedures.
And you combine that with the fact that up to 85%, some studies say 90% of these kids that are gender dysphoric will grow out of it in a couple of years, at least when they reach adolescence.
And so if we mutilate them and we've sterilized them when they're in a couple of years of a vulnerable spot, I just can't wrap my mind around what kind of a political agenda is wanting to do that.
So obviously the right thing to do is give these kids support, let them grow out of it.
85, 90% will.
They reach 18, you know, they can buy alcohol, they can buy cigarettes, serve in the military, they can do what they want.
But these kids, we don't need to confine these kids to a life of hopelessness, of sterility, of mutilation, castration.
I just can't do that.
So this bill was passed by the Kansas House of Representatives.
It was passed by the Kansas Senate.
The governor, again, vetoed that bill because anything that's pro-life, she will veto.
We came two votes from overriding her veto.
So that bill did not pass.
I will again proudly carry that bill next session because to me, that is really an issue of our time.
And that's an issue where children need to be considered in the future of children.
That is our future.
That's right.
Everything about the political battles that we've had, whether it's tax policy, education, public education, abortion, transgender, they all relate to children.
And that's what I've realized as I've gone through my first session in the legislature.
Warrior For The Children 00:02:57
I want to battle for the children, the children's future, because God has a plan for these kids.
These kids are our future.
We cannot give them hopelessness like this.
And so I feel very honored and very privileged to be able to be in this position.
I had no idea I would be in a position of being a politician or hopefully a statesman, but the Lord has opened up that door and I'm going to fight with everything I can, especially for the children.
And again, I know a lot of people in the audience, maybe my demographic, maybe you're an Army veteran, maybe you're a former warrior.
You need to fight and battle for what you believe in.
Your warrior heart is not gone.
Step up for what you believe in.
Take a stand.
When these people try, they try to bully us.
That's their main tactic is bullying, shouting things and mass emails and shouting in where we're trying to have a conversation in a meeting.
Stand up to these people.
All they have is bullying.
They don't have God on their side, honestly.
They don't have rationale on their side.
All they have is death and darkness.
And like it says in John 10, 10, the enemy comes to kill, still, and destroy.
That is their way of operating.
You know, if there's a believer out there right now and they're saying, you know, I felt an impression on my spirit that maybe I should be running for my local school board, maybe for a state representative.
I felt that I should be trying to possibly, you know, replace currently who it is in our senate seat right now.
What would you say to someone who's like, well, I want to jump into this world, but it's so unknown to me that I don't even know if I should.
I completely understand that.
It's scary.
But I have two words.
It's just do it because we have to do this.
We are at a crucial fork in the road.
Amen.
And we need men and women of God, men and women of faith to step up.
I didn't think I had what it took, honestly.
I'm not a person who's naturally good at public speaking.
I'm not a person who likes going door to door to thousands of houses in the summer trying to campaign.
I thought it was my duty, and I just jumped in there.
I didn't know what I was doing, but I jumped in there and I ran for a state legislature.
And it's been one of the biggest blessings of my life because dealing with these issues, particularly pro-life issues, abortion issues, children, even tax policy, education, national security, all these things.
It's like when I was younger and I played basketball and I was on a team playing on the court, it was a completely different game than if I was in the stands just eating popcorn and watching.
National Security Drones 100 Miles Away 00:03:06
I am now thankful to be a participant rather than a spectator.
And I would encourage everyone, no matter your age, become a participant, not just a spectator.
Amen.
I like to talk about the issues that are coming up in our 2024 election, because I believe that there's a lot of change that is coming.
Yet, most people are not even aware of a lot of what's happening behind the scenes.
As we enter the 2024 election season, what major topics concern our national security?
What can you tell us about the state of our national security right now?
I don't have a lot of inside information.
I do have some from the state level.
And I will say national security issues are much, much more scary than you might understand.
More scary than I would understand.
And again, I'm an optimistic person.
I'm not trying to be negative.
I'm pessimistic.
That's true.
But when you look at what Communist China is doing, what we did in the Kansas state legislature this year, we had a bill that would prohibit the Communist Chinese Party from owning land within 100 miles of a military base.
We tried to have it 150 miles because consultants said, you know, they have technology that within 150 miles, they can do some surveillance of our military bases.
But all we were able to get passed because of the opposition was 100 miles, but we did pass that.
We also have a bill that we are waiting to hear from the governor on, I believe, where we outlawed certain drones that are made by communist China.
What happens is police departments, sheriff's departments, state police, they have these drones and they're surveillance drones.
And there are chips in many of these drones that apparently can send Wi-Fi signals back to Communist China.
And they can monitor us through the drones that we buy from them.
So we have a bill that will buy back those drones and replace them with drones without that technology.
There are many aspects of national security we need to be aware of.
But honestly, Mondo, there are so many scary things.
If you really lifted a rock, you see all these bugs or CPs and all that.
But what we need to do is we need to make sure our hearts are right.
We need to pray.
We need to not neglect the gathering together with other Christians.
We need to seek the face of God.
What does God want you to do?
What draws you closer to God?
Healing the Body of Christ 00:13:02
Because when we are in the legislature and we're debating some of these more serious, particularly social issues, you can feel the prayers of people.
I know there are people on the back row of the committee room that are silently praying for me.
And so when there are attacks, when there are people on the dark side, yeah, when we had the transgender committee meeting, we actually had to eject five different peoples, five different people from the chairman broke her gavel.
She gaveled down people so much.
But there's a dark force, but there is a light force where people are praying.
We have a legislative chaplain.
We have many Christian legislators.
Many of the state officials are Christians.
We get together at lunchtime often and have impromptu prayer meetings.
We have weekly Bible studies.
This last session, we studied the book of Daniel.
Last year, we studied the book of Nehemiah because these are great leaders in the Old Testament.
And we were trying to find, glean what we can do in the state legislature to show leadership in that way.
And so I greatly appreciate the Capitol Commission.
I'll say his name, David DePugh.
He's our chaplain there.
He is so encouraging.
He stops us in the hall, prays for us.
He will pray for Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative.
He prays for all of us.
And there are many, many leaders, Christian leaders.
And so if you are interested in getting involved, maybe not the state legislature, maybe the city government, maybe the school board, schoolboard's a great place to start because there's so many issues in public education.
That's true.
But I would greatly encourage you to do that.
That's right.
You know, Mondo, one thing that we did many years ago, and I love that we did this because this has always been our stance, is we put up on our website both party platform booklets, didn't we?
It was, you know, I always say booklets, but they were pretty well full books.
It was, you know, what this party believes and what the other party believes.
And we want to you, we encourage you, go and look at those things.
I don't know where you can find them now.
Maybe we can put them back up on our website, but go and find them.
Look at the party platforms and read them for yourself and realize where do I stand with all this?
This is an individual journey that you will have to take, friend.
You'll have to say, you know what?
I stand with the stand that sides with the Bible.
And that's what this is all about, Mondo.
It goes back to this.
We, as Christians, first and foremost, before any party, stand with the word of God.
If the word of God says it, then we agree with it, believer.
If the word of God rejects it, it doesn't matter what you believe about the political parties.
You must disagree with it if the word of God disagrees with it.
Mondo, this is our first and foremost stand.
We've always been saying this, but I encourage you, go look at your political party booklets, your pamphlets.
Look at what they stand for and say, hey, you know what?
If it lines up or if it goes in the direction of supporting the word of God, then I'll support it.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
That's your personal journey.
It's your personal choice.
But we, believer, we must not be ignorant, especially in an election year.
No, I think we have to educate ourselves, right, Dr. Bryce?
We have to learn about both stances: what is pro-life, what is pro-choice, and understanding that people have different convictions.
People have a different reality of how they see life.
Different experiences bring you to a different point in life.
I love your approach because it's not militant.
It's just understanding that when you know, listen, people that are secure in what they believe in, they're not panic.
And when you understand what the word says, you don't panic about what the opposition is, they're doing what they're supposed to be doing.
The question is, what is it that you're doing?
What are we doing about it?
What's the believer doing?
This program, we stand for what we believe in.
We bring people of truth, being able to have a conversation.
And if you're out there and you believe different and you want to talk, let's talk.
I think it's time for us to talk.
It's time for us to communicate.
Come and reason together, the Bible says.
You know why?
Because we live in the same community.
We go to the same schools.
We have, you know, I think we all want to do something about it.
But at the end of the day, we as Christian people, we stand with loving one another, believing.
I love the scripture that you just quoted as for me and my house, we serve the Lord.
That's what it boils down to.
Your years of experience, yet when you open up the lid, wow.
Wow.
That's all you can say is wow.
Yet at the end of the day, for some reason, you were able to write a book to help us understand.
Don't lose your identity when you open up the lid and find all these things coming out.
That's very true.
And part of what I wrote about comparing the living body of Christ to a living physical body is what you just related, and that is we need each other.
We need to work together.
God created us imperfect, I think, for a purpose, so that we would need each other and we would realize that we need each other.
You know, when I believe it's Genesis first chapter said, or maybe second chapter, let us make God man in our image.
God used the plural term, let us make man in our image, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
He made mankind in his image of being several in one.
God the Trinity, three in one.
He created Adam and Eve to be one.
He creates the church to be one.
When I look at living bodies and the cells in living bodies, they need each other.
Cells are fascinating in the human body.
If anyone there is medical, you may understand what I'm saying, but they can communicate with other cells to understand their place in the body, to understand their function.
We have the living word of God as our guideline for our lives, but we need those around us to commune with, to share with.
And we take communion.
And I think communion is more than us just communing with God.
It's communion with each other.
And we need to remember that.
And part of being involved in the legislative process or the city government process is you are coalescing with people of like mind.
You're coalescing with other Christians.
You're coalescing maybe people who aren't Christians, but just have a respect for your faith.
And you're able to make a big difference together that you couldn't make alone.
I'm reminded just one other thing about what's in the book.
When I was in medical school, it was the second year of medical school, I believe, we had a physiology lab.
We looked at a microscope at frog heart cells that have been kind of separated and they're in liquid, water.
And we looked in the microscope and there are all these different frog cells in the vision and they're all beating at different times because that's what heart cells do.
They beat.
But when you touched, when you got two of them to touch together, they started to beat in unison.
And that got me thinking, a heart cell is created by God to pump blood.
That's the only reason it's created, but it cannot pump blood by itself.
It's only when it's in right relationship with other heart cells, when it's structured with other heart cells in the blueprint of God, then that heart cell can reach its full potential by working with others.
I think we in the body of Christ need to realize it's not just me and Jesus, we got our own thing going.
We need each other.
And I would encourage you to not forget that.
Amen.
You know, I love on the back of this book, it says, close the business, restore the body.
This is the fingerprint of God.
This book is actually available.
You also own a company, we'll just touch on this really quickly called Coffeeville Coffee Company, which is great.
You have commissioned for us a wonderful blend of coffee, which a lot of people get.
They love it.
We hear wonderful things about it.
But if somebody wanted to get the book, how would we go about doing that?
Right.
The best way is to go on the website of the Jim Baker Show, order the monthly coffee, and you get a free copy of the book.
And we'd be happy to send that to you.
You can also go on Amazon.com or any book website and get it.
But I would encourage you to go through the Jim Baker show because it helps support this ministry and the Jim Baker show.
That's right.
I love this comment about your coffee.
This lady named, which is, I'm not going to embarrass you, but I love what you wrote, Candace.
I know when my monthly delivery has arrived because when I open my mailbox, I smell delicious coffee.
Amen.
That's right.
I love this.
Listen, what you need to do is this.
Go to their website or you can give us a call, 1-888-988-1588, and get your monthly subscription today.
This coffee is not going to disappoint you.
I'm telling you, it's going to be so good.
And along the way, get a copy of the book.
Free copy, free coffee monthly.
Because again, being able to have a book in your coffee, I think it makes for a good company, right?
That's right.
I think it is true that people like to have a good cup of coffee when they read a book.
And what we like about coffee is it brings people together.
You almost can't have a cup of coffee by yourself sometimes.
You have other people come, they want to talk.
You sit down, you commune.
And so we love that connection that coffee brings.
That's part of why we did this.
That's right.
And it's all about community.
We want to thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
What you're doing in the state level is amazing.
You have to come back.
Hey, if you're open to it in the future, we should Skype with you from Topeka, where you have your state legislation if you're open to it.
I would love to do that.
You can see the natural habitat of legislators in the world.
I know we want to see that.
So maybe we'll do it from outside the building.
We want to thank Ron Bryce for being on the broadcast with us today.
We're going to see if we can get him on more.
You know, it's important that you get involved with your local and state politics.
You want to, you know, you may have said, well, I don't ever want to be a politician.
That's okay.
Get in there, get elected, and make the right choice for believers.
Friends, it's time for us, a Christian nation, to come back to our roots of being a true Christian nation.
It's time to re-heal the body.
That's why I love the message, Mondo.
We are trying to heal the body.
We're closing the business of church.
The business of churches needs to be thrown out the window.
We need to be focused on the restoration of what this was meant to be, which is a body of Christ.
Absolutely.
Listen, I go back to what we just talked about.
We need one another if we're going to heal.
I mean, that's an Ephesian statement right there.
Ephesians talks about how the body needs one another.
And I want to tell you something.
When we come together in agreement, healing takes place emotionally, physically.
Don't you want healing today?
You want to heal from the pain of the past and the traumas of the past.
And yet, here we are holding the key to knowing what the healing is.
Yet we have to take that step.
I hope you know that the key is in coming together, understanding that, yeah, we can agree to disagree, but we don't have to destroy one another.
That's right.
Listen, America needs the church and the church needs America.
We need each other.
Once we connect those together, we become one.
What a perfect illustration.
I think you're going to be a preacher after you retire from politics.
He is already.
He's preaching out there.
I went to some of his debates.
I think I went to two or three of his debates.
It sounded like they were sermons sometimes, but he's preaching the gospel.
Listen, we need you to join us today.
Stand with us.
Become a partner to this ministry.
Get your coffee every month.
And you're going to receive this special You Can Make It Coffee Blend by the one and only, our friend or father, Jim Baker.
And you did this from Coffee Bill Coffee Company.
Thank you, by the way.
And listen, do it today.
Go to the website, jimbakershow.com, or you give us a call, 1-888-988-1588.
You know, another guest that we have an honor to bring on is our brother, Mike Hammett.
We want to thank you.
You're on with us today, Mike.
You created a company that has truly revolutionized how people heal their body.
You know, Mondo, the opioid epidemic across America truly became just that, an epidemic.
We saw men and women who should not be getting addicted to opioids reliant on that because they were simply trying to find something to heal their physical body of pain.
Mike, you have dedicated yourself to finding this.
We want to thank you for being on with us today with Signal Relief.
Yes.
Hey, I appreciate you having me on again.
Amen.
Yeah, hey, the signal patch.
That's right.
Hey, we'll bring you on as many times as we need to to get this message out.
We have heard so many positive testimonials about this where people are saying, you know what?
I tried it simply because I thought it was something that could help me.
But not only did it help me, but this is something that I now cannot live without.
Mondo, I know you use this every single day.
I have one in my back pocket, actually.
I have it every single day in my back pocket.
You know, after the army, I had a little bit of lower back pain.
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And trust me, I can actually tell you the days where I don't have it in my back pocket where I forgot to switch it to my other pair of pants because I really believe this is a product that works.
Listen, not even that.
I'm just getting older.
And as you get older, you need an extra help.
I want to tell you that.
But this has become my go-to.
Listen, as we're talking about it, we want you to watch this and then we're going to come back and talk to Mike some more.
But watch this Signal Relief Experience Real Life Testimonials.
When you go through that discomfort, the only thing you can think about is how much longer do I have?
Is there any hope?
39 surgeries on my back now.
Very difficult to move and to.
There have literally been times when I could not crawl out of bed.
I took narcotics every day because that just became part of my life.
I'm being honest, you know, all I was doing was feeding an addiction at some point.
First, I went to a pain doctor who was very good and he gave me shots.
Any pain medication of any sort I would try to take?
I went to a physical therapist.
I had tried everything.
I had tried medication, which wasn't even touching it, acupuncture.
Got a few shots in the back of my head.
And then I just got to the point where I just tried to teach myself to ignore it.
It just kept getting worse and worse.
My sister-in-law, she came running down the stairs with a big patch and she says, put it on right now.
And she's like, I promise you're going to love it.
And she went home and got one and brought it to me.
I was like, okay.
Whatever, dude.
It's a gimmick.
You know, no way this works.
And he starts telling me stories.
She's like, all right, put it in my, I put up my scrubs and I went to work.
I didn't really think a lot about it.
Boom.
Stuck it on my back.
I'll be honest with you, I didn't even think about it probably for three, four, five hours, maybe six hours, before I thought, hey, wait a minute.
Puts the patch on and within seconds, much better.
I was like, no way.
All that discomfort and the hurt that I felt in my heel was gone.
And nothing was really happening and then it started getting warm.
And then I thought I felt it like dissipating, but then I'm like, it's just in my head because I want it to work so bad.
And then within three minutes, it was hardly even there.
I think when I got a weekend and hadn't been using pain medicine for a week, I started to feel like there might be this glimmer of hope that not only that I could not have to use pain medicine, but that I wouldn't hurt.
I couldn't believe it, to be honest with you.
I started running around in place.
I would walk fast from one side of the store to the other side, you know, and just in unbelief that something that's so simple could work that fast.
To be perfectly frank, I don't want to be without my patch.
I wake up and I wasn't sore.
You know, and I should, I felt like I should have been.
I usually am.
It was just wonderful.
Just perfect.
I'm 100% confident that anybody that doubts whether this thing works, just try it.
You just have to try it.
It's going to make a world of difference for you.
I'm not going to say this is a miracle or, you know, it's going to change everything in your life, but for me, it's been amazing.
Signal relief is really giving me part of my life back.
The signal relief has made a huge difference in my life.
I know it sounds kind of funny that this little patch, this signal patch, can give that hope, but it did for me.
The signal patch gave me probably confidence, probably a little freedom.
For me, the signal relief patch is, it's hope.
It's hope and something that I didn't have hope in.
I gave up hope of not hurting.
And now I have hope that not only do I not hurt, but I can share that with other people, that other people won't hurt as well.
Amen.
Mike, I know we've talked about this before, but how does this work without anything actually going into the body?
You know, it's crazy.
Dr. Bryce, you're on the show right now.
You probably know this, but I'm actually a tech guy originally, and this is military tech.
We were working on antennas for the military, and we were creating a spray-on antenna.
And long story short, when we started putting our antenna on the soldiers, we were picking up signals and we found out that the body communicates electronically.
And so without telling you how to do it, we just used that same tech and tweaked it so that it can interact with the body's electrical system and intercept the signal that the body sends that causes inflammation and pain.
And we've been able to mitigate pain drastically and the clinicals prove it.
But I mean, the thing I love about that video you just showed is I know most of those people and it's hard to mimic the same emotion they felt when they first put it on.
But more than half of those people when they first put it on were in tears because pain, it's like, it's a constant companion that dictates everything you can and can't do.
It's like having chains wrapped around you and you just can't live your life.
And this patch is amazing.
It works better than anything I've ever used for mitigating the effects of pain.
And as you guys have experienced, actually, it's just a game changer, not just for people in chronic pain, but athletes that does amazing things for both.
So we've been getting quite a following.
Amen.
You've attracted the incredible attention of some amazing people.
I want to watch this clip from someone who is very, very well known.
I want to watch this endorsement of Signal Relief.
Take a look at this.
I recognize that as a pro coach, my number one job was to help the players play at their optimum at weekends.
Now in my personal life, I realized to optimize my life, I've got to do the little things like my workout routine and the use of signal relief that keeps me in the game.
Signal Relief's patented technology is designed to divert and absorb this imbalance at the source, helping you experience drug-free, non-invasive relief.
When placed on the source of your discomfort, the nanocapacitors inside each signal relief patch work to detect, divert, and absorb the message your body is sending out until eventually the energy absorbed by the patch is converted to heat.
Of course, everybody and everybody is unique.
So finding the source of your discomfort might take some patience.
Once you find the right spot, you'll know it.
Most people experience the best results after leaving the patch on for 72 hours, although some experience relief within minutes.
Pro players are always looking for an edge.
What's that little edge I can get that can get me ahead of my opponent?
Well, signal relief is the perfect edge for you to get ahead of that pain.
It helps block that prohibitive pain, that pain that keeps you from doing something, that indeed that once you get back into that cycle of working through the joints, working through the muscles, it's a self-fulfilling proposition where the more you do, the better you feel, the better you feel, the more that you do.
And signal relief is a great partner in helping you mitigate that pain.
If you're not convinced it works, you're not alone.
Everyone on our team started out as skeptics too.
But feeling is believing.
That's why we offer a money-back guarantee so you can put the signal relief technology to the test.
Wait no longer.
You need to call right now and get your patch today, your signal relief patch.
The number to call is 1-888-988-1588.
Remember, you can get one signal relief patch today.
This is the large version, Ricky.
This is the one I love to carry.
This is what I need.
I got the small one.
A lot of people, I can tell you that they are ordering the three-pack of signal relief patches and even the five-pack of the signal relief patches today.
Make sure that you go to the website, jimbakershow.com, get your order in today.
If you're sick and tired of being sick and tired of dealing with the chronic pains and the discomfort in your body, why don't you give this a try today?
It's going to make a difference.
I know it has for myself.
I know it has for my back, for my knees, for my ankles.
I can tell you that this is for the everyday walker and user.
I want to tell you something.
Try it today.
I want you to go to the website for a reason because I want you to budget in what works for you.
Yes.
Listen, budgets are so important.
What works for you is going to be either the one signal relief patch or maybe the five pack or maybe just the three.
Either way, I want you to visit the website today, jimbakershow.com.
We got some special information for you when you visit the website.
But if you rather talk to one of us, we want to answer any of your questions and walk you through the process on how you can receive a signal relief patch today.
So do this: write the number down: 1-888-988-1588, or visit us today at jimbakershow.com.
You know, we have people who have purchased the three-pack.
And Mike, the question is: you know, they want to live without this pain and they want to know: can I place two or more on my body for a more comprehensive total body relief?
That's why we sell a three and a five pack, is most people do wear multiple ones when they're bad.
I mean, the older you get, everything starts to hurt.
And the reality is, I mean, whether it's your head, neck, shoulders, back, knees, you can place these wherever you need them and they work and they work in unison.
So I actually recommend getting the three or five pack.
A, you can use multiple, but B, you can give them to your family members.
And I'm telling you, it changes the way they actually, what they think they can do.
And I realize this the most.
And you guys actually talked about this once, but I remember being at Walmart and I was pulling out of Walmart, actually, and there was a homeless veteran who was sitting on the side of the road.
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I watched him try to get up and get $20 from someone who was holding it out for him.
And when he stood up to go grab it, he sat back down because it hurt too bad.
And so I ran and grabbed my signal team and we came back.
And I think we have video footage of this that we can send you guys.
But I remember giving that veteran a patch for the first time.
And he told me, I said, here, put this on your leg.
I think it will help.
And he said, there's no way it will help.
There's no way.
And I remember putting it on his leg and he goes, oh, that doesn't hurt anymore.
And then I said, why don't you try walking?
And he goes, there's no way.
There's no way.
And he stood up and he took a few steps.
You could see him walk around a little bit, come back.
And then he turns around and you can't see it as well in the video, but tears instantly came down both eyes.
And he salutes us because for the first time in 30 years, he didn't have pain.
And what I realized in that moment is he was homeless because of the pain that he was in.
And when we say our goal is to give people their life back, this patch does it.
And it's just crazy how well it works.
I don't know how we came across it.
I feel like God's hand was in it from the beginning because we never meant to develop it in the beginning.
And it works so well.
And it changes so many people's lives.
Amen.
And that's actually what that's what our goal is.
It's what we want to do.
It's what we're dedicated to doing is changing people's lives.
Amen.
You know, your heart for veterans is admirable.
I want to thank you so much for pouring into our veteran community.
That truly is a passion here at the PTL Television Network as well.
And I know it's a passion for you.
So how do you see the future of signal relief being positioned to help those who have fought for each one of us to have our freedoms here in America?
So you probably remember Lisa that has been on the show with us a couple of times.
So Lisa's actually heading up a nonprofit that we're putting together that's going to be geared towards vets.
And it might even be when you go to order this, you probably see it there.
But we're going to start having a thing where everyone that buys a three-pack and a five-pack, we donate a free patch to the veterans.
And then we're going to have the opportunity for people to help donate to it.
But our goal is to actually get these patches to the veterans for free.
Wow.
Wow.
They've given everything to our country.
The only reason we have our country is because of the sacrifice that people have made.
And I just, I want to give back.
A lot of those guys don't have a lot.
A lot of those guys really suffer because of what they've done for the country.
And so it's our goal and our passion to give back and hopefully change their lives and get them living life again.
When we went back to that vet that you just saw, it was funny.
I forgot to get a disclaimer to show his video.
And so I had to send my CEO back.
And when Zach came back to see him, he was walking around his chair.
And Zach pulled up and he goes, can you believe this?
Can you believe this?
And that honestly is what we want to do for every one of these guys.
All right, everybody.
Listen.
All right now.
We got to change people's lives.
You got to order three or you got to order five.
Let's make a difference on every veteran that we know.
We got to do this for them.
Come on, everybody.
Go to the website right now, jimbakershow.com or give us a call right now.
Put your opinions to the side.
Put your whatever, whatever's causing the idea of, man, I don't know if I should get this.
I don't know.
Do it for someone that has given us freedom in this country.
Someone that has given their life and they have returned, Ricky, and now they're dealing with chronic pain and we got to make a difference.
Let's partner together.
Why don't you do that right now?
Call right now, 1-888-988-1588.
And let's change our veterans' lives.
That's right.
You know, I had a, I was a, I'm a veteran of the United States Army.
I absolutely love my time in service.
I had a parachute accident, which, you know, you heard exactly when it happened, where my parachute failed at a couple hundred feet above the air.
So I lost the air and I smacked the ground.
I had a horrible, this is just my testimony.
I had horrible back pain ever since then.
They prescribed me tons of opioids.
I never took them because I just didn't want to go down that trail.
So I was taking Tylenol.
I'm taking anything I can to get back relief.
And signal relief for me personally in my life has changed my life because there are days, I'm going to be honest with you, I sleep straight on the floor because my back is in so much pain.
But I have a signal relief in my pillowcase.
I have one on my shorts.
I mean, I'm anywhere I go, I'm putting one on because I understand what pain and chronic pain feels like.
But signal relief for me, Mondo, has truly changed it to where I actually live a normal life, a normal day-to-day where I'm not actually thinking about the pain.
Whereas if I don't have it, there are days where that's, you know, you see me sitting at meetings.
I'm standing up.
I'm sitting down.
I'm moving.
I'm popping my back.
I'm twisting it just to try to get relief.
And you can, you know, everyone around me is like, Ricky, get your signal relief fast.
We're tired of you moving around so much in meetings.
But you know what?
This has truly changed my life.
And the fact that you are doing this for veterans, it honestly means the world to me as well.
But I believe in your message and we believe in signal relief.
And I want to get this in the hands of every veteran across the United States.
Listen, call right now, 1-888-988-1588.
Get your signal relief patch today.
Visit the website, jimbakershow.com.
Come on, everybody.
We got to do this.
We got to get involved.
Yes.
We got to make a difference.
This is our chance.
This is our moment.
Amen.
Come on.
I'm excited because I want to tell you something.
Anytime you get a company that believes in giving back, that's the kind of company I want to be partners with.
And I know you love giving back.
I know you love sending things out because we have done it throughout the years.
You have partnered with this ministry when we ask you for your help.
When we say, hey, listen, when you fought, when you get something, let's give something back.
That's right.
And you've done that every single time.
Let's do it again.
Let's stand together.
Let's make a difference.
Let's change someone's life by giving back and paying it forward.
JimBakershow.com or call 1-888-988-1588.
Let's do it together.
Amen.
You know what?
The PTL Television Network, just like Signal Relief, we love the gospel of Jesus Christ.
We love the United States of America, and we are forever and eternally grateful for those who have given us the religious freedom.
God has given us the ultimate authority, but there are men and women who have put their life on the line to ensure that we get to call ourselves Christians in the public square here in America.
Signal Relief, Mike Hammond, we want to thank you so much for standing with the PTL Television Network and standing with our veterans across the world.
We love you guys.
Love everything you represent.
So I think to build a great team, which you guys have done, you have to have shared beliefs, shared values.
And I think we do that really, really well.
We love you guys.
We're going to have you back on the show soon.
We wanted to have you here in person too.
People love seeing you here.
You have a group of friends here.
More excited.
Oh, how about this?
How about we come to you?
We'll film the show with you.
Let's do it.
I'll take you guys on horseback through Yellowstone.
Let's go.
Come on.
Any tests and prototypes you have, you can slap them on my body.
Come on, praise God.
Signal Relief has truly changed my life.
I want to say thank you for listening to this God-inspired idea.
And I know it's going to change your life too.
Like Mondo said, call that number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
And if you're not going to do it for yourself, please do it for somebody else today.
Or you can go to jimbakershow.com.
You can go to our affiliate with Signal Relief.
I know for me personally, this has truly been a game changer in my life.
And I really believe it will do the same for you.
Above all, we want you to know that Jesus loves you.
He died on a cross for you, that there is redemption for you.
You haven't done something too grand or too far away from his redemptive power.
Make sure you have an intimate relationship with Jesus today.
And remember this as you go about your day-to-day life, that God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
We want to thank you for being on with us, Mike, today.
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