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July 11, 2019 - Jim Bakker Show
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What is the Second Civil War Brad Cummings and Dr David Barton on The Jim Bakker Show
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Rick's Vision for America 00:03:42
You, Brad and Glenn Beck, met with Rick after the roundtable.
So what did you discuss?
Can you tell me?
Yeah, we really discussed where the nation is going spiritually and spiritual things we think may be coming.
What's the Lord saying?
What's he going to do?
How did he prepare?
The men of Issachar in Chronicles 12 were those that knew what was coming, knew what should be done.
And so that's what we're trying to figure out is where are things going?
Where should we be?
We need to be ahead of where the wave's moving.
And so that literally is the kind of things we were looking at.
Brad, were you at that meeting?
Yeah.
What was so amazing is David and I just sort of compared notes.
Rick shared a pretty compelling dream.
I don't know if that's been presented to your audience or not, but I'll share it.
Yeah.
In this dream, he was shown, from heaven's perspective, the timeline of history.
And the first thing that he zeroed in on in this dream was the American Revolutionary War.
And from heaven's perspective, we didn't win that war.
That was a little surprising.
Like, well, what do you mean?
I thought we did.
Heaven wasn't on one side against the other.
Heaven was trying to establish the purpose of a nation that was built on the idea of the equality of all men.
Not just some, not a few, not according to color.
And we did not fully establish that.
In order to win that war, we actually compromised one of the foundational principles and the purpose for the establishing of this nation.
And then it went next to the Civil War.
And Rick is seeing lessons out of that.
And what he's recognizing is that every war that we've had has been almost inevitable because of the failure of the past to fully embrace God's intended purpose and plan for this nation.
And so Rick ran to the end of the timeline, wanting to have a sense of what is it now.
And there, written in fiery script, was the words, the second American Revolution/slash Civil War.
It is inevitable, it is just, and it will be successful.
And when he shared that, I was pretty stunned because, one, I don't like war.
I know it's sometimes necessary to defeat evil, but the idea that it is inevitable causes a shift.
From heaven's perspective, if that's accurate, then we need to start looking, how does heaven define this?
Not how do we divide this, and what's my preference, and how do I want my side to win?
Because I don't think heaven takes a side like we do.
I think heaven is for God's established purpose on both sides.
David, as a historian, what did you think of what Rick said?
I thought there was a whole lot of truth to it.
Even in this museum that we have, this pop-up museum, we show all the barbarities and atrocities of slavery in America and in the world, but we show it still going on today.
And there's no question that, and one of the documents we actually have on display is the original handwritten draft of Thomas Jefferson for the Declaration of Independence.
And a huge, huge, huge area about the equality of all men, that blacks are men.
Roe v. Wade and Unfinished Equality 00:02:37
They are not property.
They should not be property.
And that did not appear in the Declaration because two southern states didn't want it there.
And so even though it may have been an 11-2 vote, at that point in the Declaration, we only put in things that were unanimous.
So there's a small bad seed that was planted, and we win the revolution, but we didn't secure what was in the Declaration, and that was the equality for all.
So we later have a civil war trying to help reach that equality.
We won the Civil War, but then everybody picked up and went home, and we lost Reconstruction.
And so here come all the Jim Crow laws, and here come all the racist stuff that became part of the South.
So we won the war.
We ended slavery, but we didn't end racism in America.
And it's like God wants everybody to be equal, and he sees them all as his kids.
We're told in Acts 17, 26, we're all of one blood.
We're told in Galatians that there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek.
I mean, junior Gentile, Scythian or Greek.
So we haven't got there yet, and what's it going to take to get us there?
And, you know, who knows?
And so the thing is, in fiery script, there's going to be another one coming, and this time it will accomplish what it's supposed to.
But my gosh, where we are now, I had to be careful how I say this, but the same spirit that drove slavery in America is driving the pro-abortion side in America.
And the same disrespect for human life, that's not life, that's my property.
I can decide what I want to do with it.
So what we have done is we've gone back to the Roe v. Wade abortion decision, and we've gone to the Dred Scott slavery decision, both by the Supreme Court.
And we've lifted clauses out of both cases.
And what we do is we change the word slavery for abortion and abortion for slavery.
And we ask people, is this quote from the Dred Scott decision or from the Roe v. Wade decision?
And they can't tell the difference because it's the same spirit behind both of them.
And so I think it's more likely we'll have a civil war today over the abortion issue than over the race issue.
But it's still the equality of humans.
It's equality of human beings and recognizing human life.
And I think were Roe v. Wade to be, if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, you would see states like California, New York, others saying, we're not going to be part of that.
We'll secede.
You're not going to tell us we can't have slavery.
So I think we're at that same point, you know, which is what we were looking at with that meeting that we had afterwards, is we think that there may be some more conflict coming, Lord willing it won't.
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