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Oct. 22, 2016 - Jim Bakker Show
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Two Election Choices: Soros or Cyrus (With Dr. Lance Wallnau)
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Critical Choices Ahead 00:15:37
We need to deal with the root of this evil rather than the fruit of this evil.
And we need to ask ourselves some tough questions.
Your vote isn't just affecting you.
Your kids, your kids' kids are coming.
They are going to have to deal with what we choose today.
Start praying to God for wisdom, praying to God for ways that people can start to open their eyes to really the truth that's taking place around them because this is such a critical moment in history.
Hello, everybody, and welcome to today's episode of Revelation in the News.
I'm Zach Drew.
I'm Sasha Vols.
And I'm telling you right now that I am legitimately excited about today's program.
We have a man by the name of Dr. Lance Wallnow with us.
He's an internationally recognized speaker and business consultant and is one of the premier speakers on the subject of cultural transformation.
And he's shared the stage with many people that you would know, including John Maxwell and several others.
He's lectured at places such as MIT and Harvard and also the London School of Theology.
He has a doctorate in ministry with specialization in marketplace from Phoenix University of Theology.
And he just got done writing a book.
Oh my goodness.
I know it is rattling, Sasha and I.
It's called God's Chaos Candidate.
I just want to thank Dr. Lance Walnow for being on the show with us today.
Thank you, Lance.
I was just saying to Dr. Lance before the show, listen, we've interviewed several guests and I'm nervous.
I'm nervous about having you on the show because I want to get your information out so badly.
I've listened to pundits and analysts on what's happening in the world.
You say it so perfectly in your book, God's Chaos Candidate.
And now here's the question.
I want to start off.
As you know, we go straight for the jugular on this show.
You recently wrote an article and it was stating that the American population has a choice to make.
And it's going to be made by November 8th.
And your two choices to pick from in this election are either Soros or Cyrus.
George Soros or Cyrus.
What in the world do you mean by that?
Well, the name Soros has become kind of public now.
And the reality is that George Soros is one of the primary funders of an ideology that is intended to disciple America.
The church has forgotten that its main commission isn't simply the evangelization of the lost, but the discipling of nations.
So we focused on evangelism and church planning.
And George Soros is focusing on funding the takeover of the American mind.
And as a result, we've become almost like holding the fort with an end time theology of end gloom.
Yeah, sure.
Largely because we've surrendered the territory Soros has taken on making a disciple out of the nation.
I mean, think about billionaires and millionaires have more faith to change American culture than Christians have.
And they're putting their money and their strategy into shaping and reshaping the American mind.
And they're legitimately trying to do this right now, Dr. Lance.
I just read an article a couple of days ago that George Soros has given over $100 million to nine different media organizations throughout the world.
And it was some over 50 or 60 million to media organizations just in the United States.
Why does he have a dog in this fight?
Why the United States?
Why is he trying to sway public opinion in America?
Yeah, and you know, I really think it is spiritual warfare because what the devil does is from my perspective, when Jesus taught about tares and wheat, and we were just talking about that, is that in the end time harvest, where there is wheat, where there is a potential for a harvest, while men slept, an enemy planted people.
Jesus said, children of the enemy were planted.
And I believe when you look at people that have ideologies that are in direct conflict with the gospel, what you have are people planted in order to mingle with where the harvest is located and choke it, tie it up, and strangle it.
So people like George and his group actually of ideologues have a different narrative for how the world should be.
They want a world that is a socialist world in a sense.
It's rather strange.
They want a borderless world.
They want a world that dismantles the traditional influence of Christian thinking that they perceive as adversarial to the utopia they want to create.
These are people that are actually more passionate about bringing heaven to earth than Christians, except they've got a false heaven and a false process.
It's going to lead to an antichrist system.
Wow.
I think it might have been you that said it really.
I'm not really sure, but they said, listen, you can't get to the Garden of Eden on earth without Jesus Christ.
Absolutely.
And what they're looking at, they're trying to build utopia.
I mean, I get the passion.
I mean, I actually, when you look at the Bernie Sanders generation that are all for socialism, I mean, what you're seeing is the byproduct of academia getting taken over by the left.
Yeah, talk about that because I can't figure out someone that can truly explain to me yet why in the world 45% of millennials are in support of socialism and then 25% of millennials are indifferent when it comes to communism.
Why?
And the reason is this.
Satan is far more shrewd on how to shape culture than we are.
So what the devil did was he went to the universities and he said, I will begin now to plant extreme left philosophies, ideologies.
I'll undermine the credibility of the American story so that Americans will be shamed and students will be taught to despise the heritage.
I will plant questions about wealth and distribution.
And when I'm done, within a decade to two, I will have homosexuality legitimized.
I will have Christianity delegitimized.
And I will have a new economic philosophy of justice redistribution so that wealth gets redistributed and it's all fair.
And that works until the student graduates and realizes that they have to get a job.
Suddenly, they become, believe it or not, capitalists.
And it doesn't hit them until they get married and have a child.
And so it's really a bizarre takeover.
And I've seen it over and over again.
Socialism is a romantic dream for the person that's broke.
But once you want to climb the ladder of industry, thrift, creativity, and use your God-given talent to create wealth, which God has given to the Jew and to America the ability to do, is the ability to create wealth.
Once you want to create wealth, you resent the fact that somebody else wants to take it from you.
And suddenly, somewhere around your 30s to 40, you become a candidate to be a conservative.
Wow.
And so our universities even have become, and like once again, you say in your book, God's Chaos Canada.
It's an incredible book.
You need to get it.
You talk about how the universities, the professors, are basically modern-day evangelists.
Absolutely.
And even the most radical of them, we'll admit it.
I mean, the radical professors you've got now on campuses were the protesters in the 60s, are now the professors that are training your children.
And I listened to Ward Church.
I listened to them in interviews.
And here's what they said.
I have something to profess.
So therefore I'm a professor.
See, a Christian has something to profess, but we don't think about becoming professors.
A liberal, if they have something to profess, they want to own the media outlet and the university and the academicians course.
They want to evangelize the world better than we.
Wow.
All right, so here we go.
So you said we have a decision to make in November between Soros and Cyrus.
Can you break that down for us, what you mean?
Sure.
So I'm looking at Donald Trump, and I'm wondering why has God got his hand on.
This is I met Trump while there were 16 other candidates running and three-fourths were evangelical.
And I said, it seems to me that God's got his hand on Trump and I don't understand why, because we really need a Christian.
And, you know, because I want a conservative and a Christian.
I want it like a Cruz or a Huckabee or somebody that understands what's going on.
The Lord took me to Isaiah 45.
He said, the next president will be the 45th president.
I want an Isaiah 45 Cyrus.
And I'll be honest with you, I hadn't thought about Cyrus.
And so I had to go back and study Cyrus.
Cyrus was prophesied in Isaiah 45, 100 years before he was born.
The prophet Isaiah, called by name, the political leader, who would go into Babylon, who would literally overnight take occupation in Babylon, and who would decree freedom for the Jewish people with this audacious statement.
I've anointed him.
I'm going to break open the gates.
And he doesn't know me.
Wow.
So this is Isaiah 45.
So I said, wait a second.
God anoints political leaders for his purposes that do not know him?
I guarantee the devil has possession of people he wants in political power.
And what you end up with is a secular person God anoints with someone who the devil has an anointing on.
And when they come to collision, it's not an easy call because the Christians can't go, well, one loves Jesus and the other doesn't.
You might end up with a Samson who has a history, you know, that's questionable with Delilah, but that's the anointed vessel to take the gates of the city.
Wow.
God gave you a word about Trump being a wrecking ball.
Can you share that word with us?
Yeah, so what happened was, and I got this word.
The Lord said, Donald Trump, and I'll tell you the truth.
This is God's out of the box.
I didn't know who Miley Cyrus was.
And what I heard was, this is a Miley Cyrus wrecking ball against the spirit of political correctness.
Wow.
And I said it to my daughter, who was a millennial.
She said, Daddy, don't ever tell that to me.
So the only part that I ever say is These images of Donald Trump are just Flowing through my mind right now Exactly.
So anyway, so I just say Donald Trump is right.
So how that came out was the Lord said it to me.
And what happened was I got invited to an African-American rally in Atlanta.
And the weird part is Donald Trump has an assistant who's a Jewish attorney named Michael Cohen who's vice president of his enterprises.
And I'm hanging out with all the African-American clergy, and they thought I was the Jewish attorney for Trump.
Okay, yeah.
So they called me over, and they introduced me on television.
They said, ladies and gentlemen, we're at the Donald Trump rally here in Atlanta, and we have with us his vice president and his attorney, head of Trump Enterprises, Michael Cohen.
And they handed me the microphone.
And I froze.
And it's like a Jerry Seinfeld moment.
I said, I'm not Michael Cohen.
And I'm looking like that, and they're going, say something.
I said, Donald Trump is a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness.
Thank you.
And I handed off the phone.
Wow.
And the clerk were all hitting each other going, yeah, that made sense to them.
So then they went up and started talking about Donald Trump is called, that he's got the fire of God to break down that which needs to be broken down, to build up what has to be built up.
Because basically, that's what we have to have happen.
We've had some things, like Jeremiah said, broken down and uprooted, and some things planted.
And he's a wrecking ball to what the devil never should have set up in the first place.
Wow.
So, you know, you talk about how you have these seven pillars that create a nation, the foundation of a nation, it's seven mountains.
And Donald Trump is going to come in.
You believe, like a Winston Churchill, like a Lincoln, talk about this.
What is he going to do?
What does he stand for?
So here's the deal.
So once I got the Cyrus thing, and I'm reading it, I'm saying, God anoints a secular ruler who doesn't know him.
I guarantee that's not anything Benny Hinn or anyone ever talked about the anointing.
It's always about being the holy man of God, walking with God in purity.
It's the anointing.
Here I've got a heathen, and God's anointed him.
And so I'm looking at that, going, This is messed with my fault.
Yeah, God's work.
Yeah.
So then it's like the Lord said, it's just religion.
You're dealing with a religious mindset.
Look at history.
Abraham Lincoln didn't go to church, wouldn't affiliate with revivals.
The revivalists in his day felt that he was a questionable candidate because he wasn't openly in support of Christian revival.
How did Lincoln work out, by the way?
By the time he finishes office, he has more scripture quoted in his inauguration than most preachers have in a Sunday sermon.
Winston Churchill framed the conflict of Europe as the battle for the survival of Christian civilization.
And that was while he was drinking his scotch and smoking cigars because he was anointed to deal with Hitler.
Everybody knows Churchill defeated Hitler because of what was on him.
So secular rulers can be anointed by God.
That tells me that a Margaret Thatcher, a Ronald Reagan, an Abraham Lincoln, a Winston Churchill, when do these leaders rise?
When there's a crisis.
That's why the picture here is an unraveling.
America is unraveling because the devil has had control of media, academia, corporate money in bed with government policies, the artist community, and it's laid siege against the church and families.
So what's happened is a wrecking ball comes along and basically knocks over the infrastructure that is at work in America and produces another narrative.
Wow.
You know, I've talked about before.
This is awesome.
This is awesome, by the way.
You know, a lot of us, we don't realize how incredible a moment is until it becomes a memory, right?
I mean, you never really quite understand how incredible.
And that's what people say, hey, take a mental picture because they're in that moment right now.
They understand we want to remember what we're partaking in right now.
You don't often realize how incredible a moment is until it becomes a memory.
And that can be a wonderful thing, a wonderful date, a first experience, whatever it is, or it can be a horrific thing.
And I'm telling you right now that we are in a moment.
And you need to be taking a mental picture, if you will, of what's taking place on the horizon right now in America.
We're in a moment.
We're in a crucible.
And you talk about the crucibles in your book and how America is entering into the fourth crucible, as you say.
Yeah, so we've had three.
America's crucibles are unique because we've shaped the influence in such a way that America is a prophetic statement for who God is and what God can do with the nation.
The Revolution was our first crucible to define whether or not we would become a nation.
The Civil War in 1860 was a second crucible.
God provided a Washington for the first one, a Lincoln for the second one.
In the third crucible, we had the Great Depression.
Fourth Crucible Dawns 00:02:16
And the hand of God raised up with Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill an alliance that could preserve democracy.
And we made it through that crucible.
The fourth crucible is on us right now.
It's dancing on the bubble of a $20 trillion debt With a culture that literally has, frankly, 30 Fergusons and Baltimores as potential explosions that are happening, with race narrative being fueled to the point of confrontation, with gender confusion over male and female, with battles over marriage definition.
And now we have a conflict over who is going to legitimize the definition of the meaning of America for the next four years.
Whoever takes the White House is going to define who America is for not only the next four years, but during the next four years, a 50-year course is going to be set.
We've got a choice between somebody who's going to continue the last eight years of progressive narrative.
And a lot of people are like nervous about Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is nothing more than an accelerator to a machine.
The machine is there with the Clinton White House.
It was there before Obama.
It's there now again.
If you are happy with the direction that America's been in for the last eight years and you feel confident that it can endure another eight years in its present course, then this moment doesn't matter.
But if you feel in your gut that there's a lot at stake right now and that there's a lot of confusion, you need to cut through the confusion and recognize that God has put a wild card, a Trump card into the game.
And this man alone is enduring the combined malice of the most ferocious media storm that has ever descended on somebody and a public that is largely illiterate because most people don't make their decision about electoral candidates, believe it or not, until after Labor Day.
Scott's Preparation For History 00:06:33
And the church itself is included.
So now Christians are looking at this and saying, well, what do you think?
And they're getting their information from the media channels and from their peer group.
And I'm telling you, a broadcast like this can make all the difference in the world.
Donald Trump, 10 years ago, assessed his life and decided that he was going to be a new man.
When he got married to Melania, he shifted his values.
That was in 2006.
Since then, he's been in preparation for this moment in history.
He's been studying what's happening in America.
And as a businessman, he knows there's a way to economically save this nation and restore its boundaries.
The whole thing with the wall, I said earlier today, isn't about Mexico.
It's not about the 300,000 crimes that were committed within 70 months that were monitored through illegal aliens.
The data is staggering.
It's about this.
Proverbs says that a man without self-control is like a city without walls, broken into and destroyed.
America is a city without walls because it's lost self-government.
We don't have self-government of our appetites, our finances, our sexuality, our civil discourse with each other, and we don't have self-control over our national government and our own borders.
God wants to restore self-government to America.
That's what the wall represents.
You know, the real, the actual Cyrus of the Old Testament, there was something, I can't remember.
It was called a Cyrus Cylinder of what he actually did.
This actual man that really lived, you can read about him in the Old Testament.
And they recently found an artifact called the Cyrus Cylinder of what he did.
What is it?
And how does it correlate to that?
Wow.
So they found this clay cylinder dated back to exactly the time of Daniel.
Imagine that.
And the cylinder has writing that goes around it like a cone.
It was dictated by Cyrus himself.
And he dictated on this one fragment they preserved three things he wanted to be remembered for.
And these are the three things he said.
I want to be remembered for, and he used the word terror.
I eradicated terror from the borders of our territory.
I restored the houses and worship.
meaning he restored to the Jews their faith and their ability to exist.
And I created a place for flourishing so that there was no want.
Economic stability, protection of religious liberty, and eradicating terrorism inside the borders.
Wow.
On the Cyrus cylinder.
Wow, that does.
Does history have a way of repeating itself?
That truly, it really does, because right now we're looking at that same moment in history now in our modern day.
And I know that you had a word for Trump that you told him that he was a type of Cyrus, that he was a Cyrus.
Can you share that with us?
Well, yes.
So it's in the book.
The reality is I talked to preacher friends of mine who sometimes put me in awkward and embarrassing situations.
So I was talking to Darrell Scott, Bishop Scott.
You'll have to do it in a week.
And I said to him, Donald Trump is a wrecking ball of the spirit of political.
God told me he wants to be the 45th president.
I don't know if he's going to be, but he's a Cyrus, and he doesn't know God, but God's anointed him.
And then I said to him, I said, and there's a thing called common grace.
And the reformers, they taught about how God raises up secular leaders.
And I said, look at Lincoln, Churchill, Thatcher.
These are evidences.
God's got his hand on Trump.
We're picking him apart because he doesn't pass the perfect Christian test.
But no, Cyrus does.
He's a Persian ruler.
So he goes, brother, I love this.
You've got to go with me to New York.
You've got to go with me.
We're having a meeting with African-American leaders, and I want you there.
And I said, well, I don't belong there.
I'm not a minority.
He said, well, you're a white Jew.
Hey, listen, you're a future minority.
Wow.
So I go to the meeting.
And at the meeting, a whole lot of stuff's going on.
But at the end of it, Donald Trump says, look, CNN is downstairs.
Fox is downstairs.
The media is down.
So let's think about what we're going to do because when we break, we're going to have to go down to the media.
And Bishop Scott says, Dr. Lance, tell Mr. Trump what you told me.
He yells it out across the boardroom.
You know, the big table there.
Wow.
And I'm like, I go, what?
He said, tell Mr. Trump what you told me.
I said, what part?
He said, the whole thing.
Oh, gosh.
In front of everyone.
In front of everybody.
So I basically gave Donald Trump the word.
I said, Cyrus, Isaiah 45, God anointed Cyrus.
Mr. Trump, you have to ask yourself, when you think about all of the bullets you've dodged and all of the tripwires you've crossed as a candidate, how you survived reminds me of Washington with bullets through his jacket and horses shot out from him.
You have to admit that the grace of God has a bit on you.
He's hearing me.
And I said, I believe Isaiah 45 prophesies that God raises up secular rulers for times like this.
The 45th president is a Cyrus.
And then I even told him, I said, he even says, though you know me not, it doesn't matter to us that, you know, you don't have to convince us you're an evangelical.
We don't believe you are, but it doesn't change the fact that.
You told him this?
I told him.
I said, but it doesn't change.
He didn't like it either.
He's like frowning.
I said, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a Christian in your heart pursuing God as you know him.
And the anointing is on you for your job.
And we support you.
And then, you know, Daryl said, tell them about common grace.
I go, oh, my gosh.
So I told all the preachers, and God puts his hand on people that aren't Christian in order to rule.
And this man has that grace.
Well, and Trump came up to me after because I thought, oh, how did that go over?
And he said to me, he said, I want you to know that what you said to me, and he was trying to find, you know, Christianese would say that really ministered to him.
He doesn't have language for it.
He said, what you said really meant a lot to me.
And so I got it because he got what I was saying, that we see the hand of God on him.
And now the church, 68% are supporting him.
We need 88% statistically for this election to be turned.
We need you, Christians, watching this to know the hand of God is on this man.
He is literally a wrecking ball to what the devil has done, and he will build what is needed to put stability into us during the shaking that is inevitably coming to America.
Voting for Lifeboats 00:04:59
Did you hear that?
He said the shaking that is inevitably coming to America.
No matter what candidate we elect to be, our president, the CEO of our country, shaking is coming.
We've talked about on the show before that it's almost like this country is Titanic, and we've already hit the iceberg.
No matter what happens, no matter who we elect, America is still going down, if you will.
It's going to sink.
And what it comes to right now is simply what candidate can supply more lifeboats for us.
And I don't trust Hillary Clinton in that particular situation.
Dr. Lance, we have just a couple more minutes left.
I wanted to ask you this final question.
If you don't support Trump, what are you endorsing?
Well, this is the reality.
If you don't support Trump, then recognize you're not electing an individual.
You're voting for a platform and you're voting for a philosophy.
His philosophy is going to be to put people on the Supreme Court like Scalia who will preserve religious liberty.
The philosophy of progressives is going to put people on the Supreme Court that will eventually shut down freedom of speech from religious people.
You'll lose the religious freedom you have, like Canada and other countries, because it will be called hate speech if it is deemed insensitive to somebody else's definition of reality.
Wow.
So you're literally voting for the shutting down of religious liberty.
The other thing you're voting for is the unborn are not going to have protection in the fourth trimester.
It's going to be expanded abortion.
And if God is a just God, that is all adding up over America.
The other thing that you're voting for is an expansion of government, which means that a $19 or $20 trillion deficit is going to continue to expand because the only person that has the courage to break the system is someone who doesn't owe favors to their donors.
Trump doesn't owe anyone favors.
So when it hits the breaking point, he doesn't have any backroom deals he's got to honor because he didn't make any.
To not vote for Trump is to literally vote, in my opinion, for forces that will accelerate the destruction of the America that we know.
To vote for Trump is to vote for the possibility that at least with Trump, there's a wild card.
There's the possibility that guys like me are absolutely right, that his policies, Mike Pence and the people surrounding him that are solid evangelicals, are going to provide brilliant counsel to navigate in a rough course.
And he just might shock us as a Churchill shocked Europe, that he's perfectly built for the chaos that's coming.
That's why he's the chaos candidate.
Wow.
This has been incredible.
My producer just said that we only have about one minute left.
You know, I hope that you enjoyed today's show.
And like I say every show, we want to be one of your homes for alternative news.
I heard just last week that alternative news sources have actually tripled in just the last few months because there is an all-time low in mainstream media.
You keep tuning in to revelation in the news, and this is the type of information you're going to receive.
One final question, Dr. Lance.
Do you just have any final thoughts?
Anything that you would just like to say to the audience right now before we?
I would, and I beg you to do this.
Listen, there's a way to get a hold of this book.
This book was released on the Feast of Trumpets a week ago.
It's already a bestseller.
I think it's a book to trumpet for this election.
GodschaosCandidate.com forward slash book.
You can find out, read, take a look at it.
And I encourage you to get it because I talk about what comes, regardless of who wins this election.
It's a prophetic book about what is unraveling America and where the future is taking us.
Amen.
And, you know, I read this book, God's Chaos Candidate.
And that's why I was so incredibly excited to have Dr. Lance Walnow on the program today.
And I was nervous.
I was nervous because there is so much truth and I wanted it to get out accurately and effectively.
And I believe that we did that today.
But I'm telling you right now, we just talking about icebergs in the Titanic.
We just barely saw the tip of the iceberg with what the information is in this book.
The information we covered today, it was just a small portion of what's in here.
I just really want to encourage you to go wherever you can, Amazon, go to the website, wherever you can, and get God's Chaos Candidate by Dr. Lance Walnow.
And thank you, Dr. Lance.
Wow.
What a privilege.
What an honor to have you on the show today.
This has been Revelation in the News, one of your homes for alternative news.
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