Info Warrior host Jason Bermas and guest Ryan Richardson challenge conventional oncology, labeling chemotherapy "medieval" while advocating for B17 (amygdalin) and Joe Tippins' fenbendazole protocol. They argue the modern food system creates nutrient voids via ultra-processed items like NutriGrain bars, causing vitamin deficiencies that fuel cancer growth in domesticated animals unlike wild counterparts. The discussion critiques pharmaceutical financial incentives and calls for clinical trials on natural apricot seeds, ultimately urging a shift from reactive symptom treatment to proactive whole-food health management. [Automatically generated summary]
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Growing Up With Alternative Cancer Treatments00:07:32
Hey, everybody, Jason Burmis here.
And today we are going to be talking B17 and beyond.
If you are familiar with the program, you know that we have talked about alternative treatments for cancer really since this show's inception and well before, all the way back in the InfoWars days, especially being very familiar with G. Edward Griffin, him having a large role in my film Invisible Empire, a new world order defined in the past year.
We've also had Rick Hill.
On the program, the loan strike on my YouTube channel in the past year.
We finally got rid of that in April.
They tell you that people can tell their personal stories.
Don't believe the hype when, you know, it's basically Google, YouTube, the NSA, and beyond all linked into one.
But to discuss B17 and so much more is Ryan Richardson.
We have had his father John on many times.
I think this is the first time that we are actually.
Meeting.
So, Ryan, before we get into B17, the products that you provide, what you've seen firsthand, tell us about growing up in a household where not only your father, but your grandfather were heavily involved in alternative treatments for cancer and have kind of been beating the drum about this now for decades.
And I would say now more than ever, people are much more receptive.
To alternative treatments to cancer, especially after the COVID 1984 nightmare, people learning about things like ivermectin, people learning about things like repurposed drugs, et cetera.
So, what's this journey been like for you?
I mean, I guess essentially since you were a toddler.
Yeah, I think it's a rare perspective because I grew up and as you've mentioned, I've been beating this drum my entire life.
I've been trying to get friends, family, anybody who would listen to me.
To take B17 to start eating up or cut seeds.
And, you know, I went from that weird kid that, you know, people would make fun of in a way.
I was a popular kid in school, quote unquote, whatever you call that.
I played sports, I was the quarterback, but I was still that weird natural health, you know, hippie kid.
But as I've aged, I've seen those same people that would laugh about it and poke fun, you know, come back to us for advice because their family's going through something, they're going through something themselves, and they've seen firsthand how.
The medical system has just made them become more broken.
And so it's been a kind of a full circle thing for me.
And I agree with you.
Five years ago was a huge turning of the tides for health in this country, or at least a spotlight on health.
And I'm actually thankful for it.
Obviously, I'm not thankful that it happened the way that it did, but I'm thankful that now people are starting to take this seriously because for a long time we've been saying that our health in this country has been deteriorating.
And it's not our fault.
It's not like our people are saying, I want to be unhealthy, I want to be sick, and I want to have all these.
Diseases.
That's not what is happening at all.
What's happening is our nutrition has been stripped from our food because our food has been made to be shelf stable, taste really good, not get mold or not rot.
It's all of these different things.
We used to have these vitamins in our food naturally, they've been stripped away.
And it's no wonder we're seeing all of these issues.
One of the other things that I started covering now, I would say, Close to a decade ago, would be the Joe Tippins protocol and Fenbenzodol.
And even to this day, that's one of my most popular videos of all time, just saying this cancer story rocks.
Was actually supposed to have Joe on just before the pandemic happened.
And then, as it happened, he wasn't able to do it.
He's still around.
People are asking me, Hey, is this guy still alive?
I'm like, Yeah.
And he also had pancreatic cancer.
Wow.
I mean, again, one of the toughest ones.
And he went through so many of the quote unquote traditional methods of trying to rid himself of cancer.
Even Rick Hill on this program talked about doing small stints of chemotherapy as well, not just disregarding it, but not looking at it as the only thing and the only solution that obviously.
Does not have a high success rate.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there.
There's a doctor named Dr. Siegfried who talks about chemo, radiation, surgery being medieval and barbaric ways of treating this disease.
And obviously, he believes it's a metabolic deficiency disease, just like my grandfather believed that if we have the right nutrition, your body will take care of itself.
So you hit the nail on the head there.
So let's talk about the nutrition aspect of it, right?
Because I think that that is so important.
I myself am going through it even with my own family.
You know, my one niece who I've helped take care of just refused to ever eat real food.
I mean, literally, we're still on the chicken fries and fries diet.
Everything is processed.
I mean, she has zero nutrition in her body.
It breaks my heart.
I mean, she's broken her foot several times in the past few years because she has no nutritional value, because she has no bone density.
She.
Finally, you know, had an episode where she did have to go get her blood worked on, and it's atrocious.
It's just, it's one of the most disgusting things ever.
I pray, and I'm not a religious guy, but I do pray that, you know, somehow we can get beyond this.
I won with the other kid.
The other kid will, you know, cook the chicken, the beef, the vegetables.
But even then, you know, those are stripped down from the nutrients they had even 15, 20 years ago, which is frightening.
Completely.
And then, you know, you see these things.
I just saw a documentary on NutriGrain bars, those little bars that children eat that are supposed to be filled with real fruit.
And it's not, it's, you know, they're, you're speaking my language.
Let's talk about that.
Like the one kid, the one that I've actually gotten on the decent diet that spends a lot of time with me, she goes, You never have any of the granola bars.
I go, They're the candy bars, kid.
They're not granola bars.
They're not helping you.
They're candy bars.
There's nothing in there that's helping you with your day to day.
Zero zip.
Even there are.
Protein bars get your protein a thousand percent somewhere else.
Eat an egg for god's sakes, you know.
You are 100% right.
The protein bars are basically glorified candy bars, and and and same with the children bars.
And so, we're feeding them these things that are designed to get them hooked on this really awful, you know, carb and whatever mixture and and whatever uh chemicals they're putting in there.
And it's it's a crime because at the end of the day, I don't even I don't I don't blame your niece, you know.
We've created an environment where this happens.
We feed our kids 85% of the calories that our kids eat are coming from ultra processed foods.
And as you noted, that's the most precious time where we need to be getting the most nutrition into our kids so their bone density grows.
The Hidden Danger Of Sugar Addiction00:03:24
As you get older and you're 30, 40, 50, it probably matters less than it does when you're 11, 12, 13.
And so that's why I've been huge on quote unquote prevention because my father comes on here.
Talks about how B17 can help with the C word or these other bad diseases.
And Rick does tell the story.
I'm here to tell you that it's way better to start now when you're a healthy person or when you're young and never get any of those nasty diseases because once you get it, the fight becomes a whole different fight.
And anybody that's gone through it can tell you that.
And then you have all these external pressures from doctors that do fear based prescribing of things.
If you don't do this and make a decision this week, then it could spread elsewhere or whatever.
Why not protect your body now?
Because it takes years of abuse in order for these things to happen.
And so, if you just protect your body a little bit along the way, it's smart enough to shield itself from these poisons, essentially.
And I would say that the biggest poison out there, the most promoted one, is, of course, sugar.
And the one most people are in denial of.
And even myself, I feel the sugar cravings.
I've never been a cigarette smoker.
I've run a bar.
I'm not a boozer.
I only drink out at the bar.
I mean, I literally was cleaning up my house yesterday.
And I literally had a bottle of blueberry vodka that I got at a secret Santa from 2017.
Like, it's nine years.
And I'm not aging it, guys.
It's sky vodka.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You might have thrown it away.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, alcohol, thank goodness, doesn't go bad.
We can keep that forever.
But what I do feel are the sugar cravings still to this day.
But then I'll go and I'll grab, like, I'll be in the clearance aisle because I don't like spending money and everything is costing more and more these days.
And I'll see something that says, All right, this is an energy drink.
It's got zero sugar in it.
You know, every once in a while, I'll try to do better with like the poppy soda or whatever.
I don't get the regular soda.
I don't even get that much, but I get that craving and I want it.
Dude, I cracked one of these things.
I forget what the hell it was even called.
It is just, I had to like one quarter of it with like unsweetened iced tea and it's still too sweet.
Everything has progressively gotten sweeter and more addictive.
And, you know, you're not just talking about a sugar addiction that could lead to things like cancer, diabetes, et cetera, going to rot your teeth, going to mess up with your entire biological system, where your body gets its endorphins from, its risk reward syndrome.
Can you kind of speak to that?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And, you know, it's funny, there are doctors out there that will tell you, I've done some clips on it, that, That C word, I guess this isn't going on YouTube, so I could say the word cancer.
That sugar doesn't feed on sugar, and sugar has no correlation with cancer.
And that's just absolutely asinine.
We're talking about real doctors that are saying this.
And they use glucose to see if you have cancer.
Why Our Food Supply Fuels Disease00:10:13
They put like a little radioactive atom in you, and then they watch it go to your body to see if cancer goes to that sugar molecule or not.
So it's just crazy that people could say that.
First of all, but we, the healthy vegetables in this country and the healthy foods are not sweet.
And so they're, on one hand, conditioning us and they're addicting us to it's much like cigarette smoking, right?
You get addicted and you just have to have a little bit per day because that's, you know, sugar.
So they're getting you addicted to sugar, telling you that it has no issues.
Oops, sorry, my lighting here, no issues with cancer at all.
And then so we dislike anything that isn't sweet now as a nation.
And all foods that have B17 in it, not all, most are bitter.
The bitter apricot seed, Brussels sprouts, when they're not cooked.
You know, we eat Brussels sprouts as Americans, but they're always cooked at such high temperatures that it kills all the B17 in it.
And so, wait a minute, hold on.
Because I'm a Brussels sprout fan.
Yeah.
Can I steam those bad boys and still get some of that B17 or is it?
I just got to eat them raw, like it's on a brothel.
Yeah, no, you can steam them.
So it's around 350 degrees that it stays.
So I don't know how hot the steamer gets, but if you do it in a way where you're not completely blasting them, then absolutely you'll get B17.
Now, it's not a ton.
But it's, you know, like it's a milligram or two per bulb, basically.
Whereas it's 20 milligrams in one apricot seed.
So, wait a minute.
So, you're telling me essentially I got to eat 20 16 ounce bowls.
Oh, I got to eat 20 pounds?
I was saying bulbs.
Oh, bulbs.
Okay.
So, that's not bad.
So, that's just one like 16, 20 ouncer compared to this much of an apricot seed that now you don't even have to take it as a seed.
You can get it into a ground powder.
And essentially, just down a question.
We have it in a myriad of different ways, but that just goes to show it's in spinach at small degrees, it's in watercress, lima beans, lentils.
The list goes on and on and on.
We used to make bread out of buckwheat and millet in this country, and those have high concentrations of B17 in it.
Our cattle used to graze on grass that had nitric oxides, AKA B17 in it.
And so we would get some B17 in our meat.
And so it was very common to see between 100 and 300 milligrams in a daily diet 100 years ago.
Now it's nearly zero and it's been replaced with sweet stuff and sugary stuff that actually does the opposite and feeds the cancer.
And so it's terrible what's happening.
So let's talk about quote unquote B17, also known as laotril.
I'm probably butchering the name.
But essentially, you know, I've seen the debunkers come out and say, you know, B17 is made up.
You know, Leotril doesn't really have any benefits whatsoever.
However, you know, G. Edward Griffin, in all of his wisdom and glory, back in the day was doing not only books, but pioneering documentary films like A World Without Cancer.
And one of the things that, you know, you learn early on is that you have so many of these animals, including cattle, that are grazing, that are eating grass that naturally has Leotril B17 in it, and you don't see them get cancer.
Dogs naturally go and they start chewing grass.
And you know, I see a lot of, hey, don't do that, you know, knocking their dogs.
Let them.
And it's like, hey, you might want to let your dog do that, especially with the high rates of cancer and the idea of you're actually feeding your dog dog food.
Forget about it.
I mean, you have like a 95% chance that's the way your dog is going to go.
You know, I had, you know, my last three dogs all died of cancer.
We stopped doing, you know, any kind of dog food.
I don't care if it's the most expensive bag.
Like, we're, We're cooking real food.
And even then.
Yeah, I'm the same way.
And to add on to your point, there are civilizations in this country that have zero cancer and they have high amounts of B17 in there.
The Hunza tribe is one of them.
But to go back to your point, I have a dog.
He's now 16 months old.
He's a Berenese mountain dog poodle mix.
And because I'm allergic to the big dog, sadly, but we feed him B17 every single day.
And we don't feed him dog food, we feed him real food just like you do.
There's a gentleman that has been doing 35 plus years of research.
Now he's got Great Danes.
Their life expectancy when he started his research 35 years ago was around eight years, and it's still eight years in America.
He's got his Great Danes living now to 16 years.
So he's doubled their life expectancy and nothing, and there's zero cancer in any of them.
His first ones obviously had died of cancer too, because everybody feeds their dogs dog food and it's stripped of nutrition.
But you don't ever see wild animals.
So in America, you saw during industrialization in like the 50s and 60s, you started seeing this huge spike in cancer in our country.
But you don't see that in the wild.
You don't see that with wild animals at all that are allowed to eat.
And live in and why we just the rates aren't the same at all.
It's very rare if found in nature.
Now, when you domesticate animals, that's obviously when you see it again.
But I've heard of a chicken being healed.
One of our customers wrote in to me like a few weeks ago and said, I took my chicken into the vet because it was acting weird and had cancer.
So I started giving him apricot seeds.
And would you know it, within four weeks, it was gone.
So it's not just dogs and cats, it's all of life needs B17.
Traditionally, we've all gotten plenty of it because our food system wasn't so perverted.
So let's talk about that food system.
In your opinion, you know, obviously a lot of people are turning towards supplementation products like yours, but as a baseline diet, what should people be eating?
And obviously for me, it's the produce, it's the meat.
The meat and vegetables are the key.
You know, I like rice as well, but even rice, you know, 95% of it, it says enriched on the side, which totally means it's been stripped of.
Any type of nutrients.
I feel like I'm even rolling the dice when I get the unenriched jasmine rice at double the price.
I mean, is there any nutrients left in my stripped down jasmine kind of maybe brown rice?
I don't know.
I don't have a lab, I don't test it.
I hope that the steak I ate last night had the protein and the nutrients necessary to keep me going.
The carnivore diet has been one that's been kind of popularized over the last decade.
A lot of people will come to me and say, Yeah, it's good, but really all it is is an elimination diet.
So that's why it seems to work for people.
And then I go, Well, okay, that's fine.
I mean, what do you think out there right now are the foods people need to be eating that still have some nutritional value?
Yeah, I think this is two parts.
I want to answer this in two ways.
The first way is the first question you had was, Is there any nutrition left in our food?
And well, I would say that.
Uh, social media and forums like this, or there's accounts out there that are taking food from the grocery store, from fast food, from Chipotle you name it, and they're running it through million dollar sonication machines and testing to see what's really in them.
So, visibility has never been higher, and it's going to hold companies accountable and make sure that they're not slipping up.
So, that's for one thing, I think we're moving back in the right direction where nutrition is going, is getting back into our food.
You know, more so than when it was five, six years ago.
But there's still a very long way to go.
That's why I've always recommended to people to start your own garden.
You don't need a lot of space to start your own garden and start growing your own stuff and see how you feel after eating some of your own vegetables versus what you buy at the store.
But the other part of that question was, you know, what you should be eating.
And, you know, the way I always answer this is that everybody is different, everybody's body processes things differently.
For one person, The carnivore diet may work great for another person.
They may have to do a fish based diet.
I don't know.
But I do know that we need to be proactive about what we're doing.
And I wish, I honestly wish that we weren't around as a company or supplements didn't have to be a thing because 100 years ago, supplements weren't really a thing because we got a majority of what we needed in our food.
But because we don't anymore, we have to supplement.
And that's why we need to figure out what you're deficient in.
I read that 90% of this country is deficient in vitamin D.
And I believe that 90% of this country is deficient in vitamin D. B17.
And I've seen we still get a few thousand cases per year in this country of scurvy, vitamin C deficiency, with all of the stuff that we know.
How is that possibly happening?
And it's because it's obviously because of our food supply.
So figure out what you're deficient in.
Maybe that means you go take a blood test.
There's some popular, inexpensive blood testing companies out there that you could see exactly what your levels are and make changes.
And then two months, do another test to see.
If those changes worked.
But we need to be experimenting with ourselves in a way that to really optimize our health because nobody's coming to save us.
Your doctor is not going to come up with some amazing plan to keep you healthy.
He's just going to come treat you, do symptom based medicine like they always do.
Flaws In Pharmaceutical Patent Studies00:05:08
And here's a frightening stat now that I'm on the topic the average American retiree is on five plus pharmaceutical drugs per day.
That's crazy.
20% of those.
Are on 10 plus pharmaceutical pills per day.
That's all that's showing me is that when these people go in with a symptom, they slap on a drug, and then you've seen the laundry list of negative side effects, or you've heard it on the television.
In a year or two, the body starts reacting to this drug and you get another symptom.
So you go in and then they treat that symptom.
Now, all of a sudden, you've got two things in your body, then three, four, five.
How hard is it to pinpoint what's actually going wrong when you're taking 10 plus pharmaceutical drugs?
You know, before we get into the big pharma stuff, which I think is extremely important, you know, you were just talking about the processed foods.
And I got this book right here.
It's called 100 Million Guinea Pigs.
Okay.
I don't know if you've ever seen it.
I'm sure it's about us as Americans, but yeah.
Well, again, that's the 100 million.
And just so people understand, this book was published in 1933.
Okay.
Wow.
1933.
The dangers in everyday food drugs.
And cosmetics.
Wow.
Pick this one up.
Yeah.
Pick this one up at a thrift store and then looked it up.
This person was, it's actually two people.
So Arthur, uh, Kallett is the author.
And then FJ Schlink is the person that was actually doing the, uh, scientific studies showing how poisonous all these things were.
And the subtitle, dangers in everyday foods, drugs and cosmetics.
And that was 90 years ago.
And how much worse has it gotten, I'm sure, right?
And again, at the time, this was actually a pretty popular book.
Wow.
Did you learn about this in school?
Was this ever put on the table?
I had no idea this thing even existed.
And to say that it was prophetic would be an absolute understatement.
I mean, this thing is so accurate.
And you just mentioned the drugs.
You know, at that time.
It's funny because most pharmaceutical, not a lot of pharmaceutical drugs started as a natural compound.
And so they take a compound found in nature that's been used to treat whatever.
Then they take it into a lab, they change some part of it and make it synthetic, and then they patent it.
And now it's a drug and they make it some fancy name, trazoplazodan or whatever.
And they tried to do that with B17.
It's been well reported that they did a few years' worth of studies on this.
And they say that they were trying to study the effectiveness of B17, but they were just trying to copy it in some way so they can patent it.
And because you can't make a bunch of money on or patent anything that's found in nature.
So, there's no real profit motive in B17.
Well, I'm saying that as the owner of a company that sells apricot seeds, but I can tell you it's nowhere near what a pharmaceutical drug would make in that sense.
And so, when they tried to make B17 synthetic, every time they tried to change up the molecule, it killed the molecule and it rendered it ineffective.
And so, instead of saying, well, hey, we have something here, and I'm not here to come on the show and say B17.
17 is going to cure all your problems.
That's not it at all.
I'm saying we have thousands of testimonials, thousands of case studies, doctors that are seeing results.
We need some real clinical trials.
Let's get some government money to fund something that's for the good of our people, right?
Which makes me laugh because probably won't happen.
But this is the closest we've ever been with Bobby Kennedy and HHS.
And so we'll see what we can do.
But it's just been.
It's kind of crazy.
You know, you mentioned the medical system and how you can't really patent that.
You know, you can't patent vitamin C, even though most vitamin C folks are synthetic.
Vitamin D that you get is synthetic.
It's not even what it used to be.
But so many of the actual drugs, quote unquote, medications, are now petroleum based.
And again, this is another thing that around that turn of the century and the concerns of these people that people are simply not aware of.
They associate obviously petroleum with oil and gasoline.
They don't even realize that, you know, oil basically makes like everything, like from your CD to your Blu ray to a ton of other things.
But it also is intricate in quote unquote modern medicine.
Can you just speak to that for a moment?
Yeah.
I've been so confused by that for the longest time because I don't understand the science behind it or where they even try to argue the science behind it.
Petroleum Risks In Modern Medicine00:06:49
Why does there need to be anything petroleum based in our?
In our medicine, it just there's more studies on how harmful petroleum is to the human body than there is on how helpful it is.
And so I've tried to ask doctors before I say, well, why is there petroleum based chemicals in this medicine?
And they typically don't have an answer.
I've never gotten a straight answer like, oh, it's because it makes it work better, or even try to guess.
People, these doctors are like, well, I don't know, but this is the top of the line medicine that everybody's using.
I'm like, That's crazy.
That's just crazy to me.
And I'm glad you're asking that question or you're talking and bringing awareness to that because more people shouldn't need to be saying, why is that happening?
Well, again, it speaks to this idea.
And I think it's a huge misnomer that somehow ignorance is bliss.
No, it's not, actually.
Ignorance is going to get you in trouble every single time.
And what you're going to want to do is talk to your authoritative figure, like you did to the doctor, and see how ignorant they are.
Because guess what?
They're just people too.
I realize they're in a white suit, and all these people have given over their authority, and they're supposed to be the expert.
Most of these people are not brilliant.
They're not that smart.
They came from a situation where they had the fundamental, you know, family wealth and values to get them through medical school.
And they just crossed the T's, dotted the I's, said yes, sir, and went with the program instead of doing any kind of independent research, instead of trying to break away from a system that's clearly been broken for decades.
So, what is your.
I'm so glad you brought that up.
Like, it's.
I wanted to be a doctor and I did three and a half years of pre medicine.
And I realized the same thing you did that it's who can regurgitate what we read in a book the best.
That's what it is.
And of course, there's some hands on stuff, but it's a very expensive profession to get into.
And you're right that there are some amazing, brilliant doctors.
And I don't want to take away anything from a doctor.
Their hard work got them there.
And it is hard work to become a doctor.
But you're absolutely right.
My grandfather was a doctor and he said he did two years or Two weeks of nutrition in 12 years, two weeks of nutrition.
And so, with what we're saying, all of these issues are coming from lack of nutrition, and these doctors are getting two weeks of it if they're lucky in their 12 years of training.
Why are we going to them to fix our problems?
And I just, it doesn't make any sense to me.
Go to a dietitian first.
And then, if your problem still persists, then go to the doctor, because something might be wrong.
But it's this notion that the doctors know everything and that they're going to come and save you with.
Whatever magical drug that they have, they're just getting new drugs every different year.
They can't keep up.
There's a standard of procedure.
So if I'm a six foot eight, 400 pound man, my standard of procedure care is going to be the same as a five foot two, 140 pound woman.
How does that make any sense?
None of it makes sense, but they just input it into a computer and say, these are our symptoms.
Let's try this drug and see what happens.
And by the way, there's also a A vast financial incentive to use so many of these drugs.
And let me let everybody know that should be illegal.
There should be literally zero financial incentive to give a patient a specific treatment or drug.
The financial incentive that you should have is people keep coming back because you're doing good things for them, not because you're using a specific drug, but because your treatments, which would be varied as the population is varied, are working.
Across a broad range of the populace, and they say, Hey, this guy's good at what he does.
This gal's good at what she does.
We're coming back.
Not, Oh, I get a bonus if I put hate and lie shots into every single toddler that comes in and every single toddler that refuses.
We just tell them not to come back.
That is demented.
And yet it is the current system that we have.
Before we go, Ryan, tell everybody about RNC store.com.
Tell everybody about the products where they can get them.
And what are some of your favorites?
Yeah, absolutely.
We can go to www.rncstore.com.
We're doing a lot of fun stuff right now.
We have the seeds there.
Seeds are the most natural way to take it, of course, and the least expensive.
We have the seed meal there.
So if you're somebody that makes a smoothie every morning, or you like oatmeal or yogurt, or you want to put it into something, you could use the seed meal.
If you want to skip that bitter flavor altogether, then you can go for it with the supplement version, which I usually take.
I take the prevention bundle every single day.
And then some new stuff we have out is our apricot oil, which is really wonderful on the skin.
We have rave reviews about it, people saying it helps with psoriasis and eczema and all of these different things.
And then we also have, we just launched our B17 lotion.
So the oil does not have B17, the vitamin in it, because B17 is water soluble.
So the oil doesn't carry any of it, but it's still wonderful for the skin.
The lotion, all organic based lotion, all natural, no added crap, has 1,000 milligrams of B17 in it.
And so it's kind of our way.
Of pushing the research on B17.
You know, my grandfather and Rick and everybody, they always were focused on the research that happens inside of your body with B17, because when you have people dying of the C word, that's the most important.
Well, we're hearing some incredible things about the lotion, people writing this testimonies weekly.
I would love everybody to give that a shot.
And also, the people that buy our lotion and our oil, we have a beauty bundle, they repurchase it at a 38% clip.
Within two months.
So, you know, it's obviously customers are happy about it and they're coming back for more.
Yeah.
For those that don't know anything more than like a 15%, 20% turnaround is amazing.
And when you start getting into that 40%, 50%, it's almost unheard of.
Ryan, it was a pleasure talking to you.
Send my best to your father as well.
And folks, you know the drill it is not about left or right, it is always about right and wrong.