Modern Day Imperialism Or The Monroe Doctrine With Dave Benner
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I also like to see my allies face or people that aren't really my enemy in the first place.
Just another human being that hopefully you can relate to.
And that's why those panel shows are really special.
But Dave has been ultra consistent.
And if you don't know who he is, it's libertyavault.net.
You can go check him out there.
He's also over on XDBenner83.
And then he's got quite the YouTubins, folks.
We're a little jealous.
Almost half a million.
And I'm sure he will eventually get there.
Dave, thank you for joining us, sir.
Now, before we get into the topics of the day, Maduro, Trump, modern day imperialism, you seem to come at the panels from a very freedom bent.
A lot of people call it libertarianism.
I've seen some of your activism over the years.
Number one, what do you consider yourself?
And what got you?
What finally pushed you over the edge into the political arena?
Yeah, man.
And thanks for that introduction.
Just blessed to be able to produce content about the deep state, the wars, et cetera.
And my feelings about you are the same.
I was very delighted to see your expertise, especially on Epstein and some of those spaces.
But as far as how I got my start or what I got into is I am a libertarian.
I became a die-hard libertarian in 2004.
I was actually a die-hard neocon, if you can believe it or not.
I absolutely swallowed the neocon agenda, supported the war in Iraq.
I marched in the streets using that propaganda straight from the book of Richard Pearl and Paul Wolfowitz, calling people that disagreed anti-Americans, anti-patriotic.
And I use the same kind of propaganda you're hearing now in Venezuela by saying, well, if you're not for this regime change, you're obviously with Saddam.
And I see that same thing happen in virtually every regime change operation.
I stumbled upon Murray Rothbard, the libertarian theorist, during a college research project, found his great book, A Theory of, or A History of Money and Banking in the United States, and from there went down the rabbit hole, discovered like Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Walter E. Williams, etc.
I do consider myself a libertarian.
I'd call myself a voluntarist, but I really build my platform on uniting left-wing dissident and right-wing distant viewers on the foreign policy stuff and taking it to the deep state in ways that let's just say Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have not done.
So you've been in the geopolitical arena in some way, shape, or form for the better part of two decades, right?
When we're talking about marching for Iraq, the neocon agenda, much of that obviously is my generation post-9-11.
And I remember the Ron Paul revolution, and there were so many people that were coupled with 9-11 truth or brought into 9-11 truth via that or vice versa, brought into libertarianism from finding out about Ron Paul, etc.
And a lot of people forget this, but he ran for president a couple times and he was probably the most relevant person.
And you go back to those debates even now in that arena.
And I think not only the most consistent, but also produced one of the most consistent, relevant, and correct politicians that's in the arena now in Rand.
And obviously, Rand a lot more accepted, whereas Ron Paul in that revolution was there.
People forget this, but yeah, Sean Hannity, the great guy that he was, he was calling them Paul Tarts, everybody.
They were Paul Tarts if you were into Ron Paul.
The shift in the Republican Party, even prior to Trump, right?
Trump, I think, was the galvanizing force, moved in that libertarian direction.
So being in this arena for so long, obviously you've seen the Overton window and the narratives move.
But how far have we really gotten away from that traditional left-right power structure that seems to be in play, at least on the big issues that we're dealing with today?
The forever wars that can't seem to be done.
What just happened in Venezuela as well?
I realize that was a bloviated question, but please give me a super bloviated response.
Yeah, man, it's just like, I think that you are hitting the nail on the head a little bit with Trump, his rhetoric, especially in 2016 in South Carolina, when he stood on that stage, look at Jeb Bush, who was, if you could believe it or not, the frontrunner and said, your brother lied us into war.
This was a big fat lie.
And he was ready to meet that moment when the American people were behind him, but the entire establishment of the GOP wasn't.
Now, we've seen that's kind of just rhetorical in his actions as president, especially in the second term, if you ask me, betray that.
But at the same time, that did represent the beginning of a major shift in GOP rhetoric and certainly where the American people are at.
Now, to the extent that that was a real representation of Trump's views or, you know, him choosing the proper electoral vehicle at the time, that can be debated, I suppose.
But certainly the base of his supporters were on that side, the America first side, the concerns inwardly with domestic issues, rather than being the world police.
I mean, it's easy to forget now to some extent, but Trump literally sat down in interviews and said stuff like, it's absolutely true that Iraq and Libya were better with Saddam and Gaddafi there, respectively.
And, you know, we see all this propaganda come out and be marketed in a new way all the time.
And it's really disappointing and frustrating to me to some extent to see it.
But the shift has happened amongst the populace, even if the political establishments haven't accepted it and have betrayed the populace on it.
So I guess let's talk about the Trump phenomenon, right?
Because he's not a dumb guy.
I think that he does want to be the actual president, where somebody like Barack Obama, he's more middle management, right?
He realizes that he's going to take meetings with the CFR, with, you know, for instance, in 2008, when it was down to him and Hillary, Hillary Clinton, and all of a sudden he didn't get on his plane.
I don't know if you know this, but there's video of it's in my film, Invisible Empire, a new world order to find.
And the press said, oh, well, he's first of all, Robert Gibbs, his press secretary, got called out on it in the air.
They're like, wait a minute, this is a presidential, like, why are we on the plane?
If the guy's not here, he's like, well, he wanted private meetings outside of the press.
And he's like, they're like private meetings with who?
And he's like, yeah, they're going to be private.
And so the press started saying that he was meeting with Hillary Clinton at her home.
So they went to her house and they weren't there either.
Just happened that Bilderberg was in town.
And, you know, essentially this was worked out where, look, she's going to be Secretary of State.
We're going to give you Joe Biden.
We got you in there.
You're a real smart guy.
We like you.
And that's where I see that guy.
I mean, people have to realize he shot up through people like Rahm Emmanuel, who are still very much in the background of global policy, okay?
With his brother, Ari, who, you know, basically runs the global UFC-TKO network as well, everybody.
Just a little Shabazz for you.
Never let a good crisis go to waste, Jason.
Exactly.
Whereas Trump, don't get me wrong, I think that he would take a meeting with those people, but he doesn't want to be subservient to anybody.
He's always had that kind of gangster alpha attitude.
And I think that's why he got shot at.
You know, I think those assassination attempts are very real.
He's outside of that spectrum.
But when it comes down to it, the people that he is doing business with, and he may not be quote unquote subservient with, but he's certainly more than sympathetic and buddy-buddy with on certain levels, whether he likes it or not.
Sheldon Adelson's of the world, right?
The Peter Thiels of the world.
Not enough people talk about not only that Thiel had that position as technology secretary in his first term, kind of stabbed him in the back when it came to real election fraud.
Notice we haven't fixed any of that, David.
I haven't fixed any of that.
But if people really think that the crack brain of Baron Trump, and I'm not saying the kid's stupid, and he's going, Dad, I like podcasts.
That was the podcast Bro Tort.
No, it was literally a Thiel orchestrated Musk-Rogan coordination with that entire network, which at the tail end, Trump did it.
And they put JD Vance, who's literally Thiel's right-hand guy next to Trump out of nowhere.
I mean, call me kooky, Dave.
I think things like that may be connected.
What are your thoughts?
Oh, totally, man.
I'm so glad you're commenting on this because it just flies totally under the radar to the establishment Republican base and a lot of the activist bases that JD Vance's political rise was in almost all ways orchestrated by Peter Dihl and the PayPal mafia.
He worked at Mithril.
You have people that worked alongside him that have sworn and have testified that they didn't even see him go into work.
And, you know, he rises under this Palantir PayPal mafia umbrella, in which he only serves for like, I think, two total years in the Senate and then becomes the vice president.
It does seem like the Palantir Connection, the Little Tech, the Ondorils are all behind this thing, man.
And I have confidence in the independent media that he will have to actually answer to some of this.
At least I hope that.
But it really is not being noticed by enough people.
So I'm glad that you mentioned that.
I'm concerned about it.
I'm not a fan of him, especially because of the Palantir connection.
I bet you probably talked about that, but it seriously is concerning to see the mass surveillance apparatus expand in so many ways with the deep CIA connection there, the biometric scanning, the dystopian pre-crime schemes that they've literally unleashed in some of the biggest cities in America.
It's terrifying to me.
And, you know, you mentioned another one in kind of that click and club, a newcomer.
You know, we've got our Muskernuts of the world and the Zuckerbergs, right?
And the old, you might as well call him old man Bezos at this point with all these other people, but you said Anderil and they got Lucky Palmer.
Lucky Palmer.
Hey, it's OA.
I'm in a Hawaiian suit.
We're going to be the world's gun store.
Everything's fine.
Like, I sit there and I'm like, wait a minute.
And that was another talking point, an argument of Trump that, again, I was not on board for.
The talking points to get elected and they got my vote.
And believe me, I'm aware there was part hopium.
Even when, you know, my other buddies in the independent media alliance are like, it's not going to happen, Jason.
I'm like, look, I get it.
I hope he can actually get peace.
He said he's going to get peace before day one.
Now, no matter what else you think, even if he's cut off the funding, I don't really believe that, but even if he's cut off the funding, no, they're buying them from us.
great.
We're still producing the, I don't want to produce weapons that kill a bunch of innocent people at all.
Not even a little bit.
I want to have a very strong defense.
I want to project that power.
I don't want the ability of a nation state or others to be able to come in, but I'm also way more concerned with the people inside my government with that power, okay, because they've betrayed us again and again and again.
But I don't want to be responsible for drone bombings in Yemen for over a decade.
I'm not interested in regime change in Syria so we can put the leader of al-Nusra and al-Cieda in power.
Okay.
I'm sorry if I'm not down with those things.
So now we get to Venezuela.
Where do you see that as kind of the next step, the next, I guess the next golden age of it's no longer the war on terror, right?
It's the war on fentanyl or Maduro or people that have oil that we don't like or communism.
What is this new war on?
Well, it seems like a new brand of neocolonialism that's right out there in the open with Trump literally saying that, yeah, we're in there to take the oil.
We're running the country.
And I got to admit, this kidnapping, you might call it an arrest, whatever.
They're charging him under gun control laws, the 1934 NFA within the U.S. in that indictment document, you know, pretending that somehow, you know, their jurisdiction on that expands to the entire world because he had machine guns.
It just seems ghastly to me because it's not the difficulty necessarily to kill these people.
We know they can kill these people or capture them.
They did that to Noriega.
They did that to Saddam, you know, within a year of the invasion, I believe.
We know that can happen.
But it's like, you know, in all the adulation and celebration, the mission accomplished, this time at work, this was 90 minutes in and out.
You forget about, well, you're skipping the part where they killed a million Iraqis later, that things, you know, broke apart on the ground.
It caused 5,000 American deaths, you know, coming back from the war on terror.
You had 30,000 soldiers off themselves.
You had 12 trillion or 12, yeah, $12 trillion spent on the war on terror in general.
Things could break down easily.
And it's not clear to me that really regime change has happened or even this deal that Trump announced today can come to fruition because even if the entire remaining Maduro regime is complicit with this deal and has been coerced by the U.S. to accept this, it could cause long-term domestic turmoil.
This is kind of what happened with Iran following the installation of Shah Pahlavi.
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Then we saw the Iranian Revolution that did take over two decades later.
But what's not to say that this won't cause internal civil strife, more breakdowns in terms of the U.S. standing abroad as if it retains anything left.
There's just too many questions.
I don't want to be completely blackpilled about everything because they haven't put a large-scale boots on the ground invasion to fruition yet.
And I hope that doesn't happen.
But there's just too many open questions and I'm just not for it, whatever you think about Maduro.
And I'm no communist.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
So, and again, that's what I tell people.
You know, when they come out, he's an illegitimate leader and he stole the election.
I go, We don't have stolen elections in this country.
Oh, you want to go after him for the stolen elections in their country?
But we, because I've been because SmartMatic.
And I'm like, really?
We're talking about SmartMatic?
Because I've been talking about the machine since their inception before Dominion was a thing.
How about Diebold?
Do you remember?
Oh, you didn't know about that.
Okay.
So stop it with this.
If we can't clean up our own thing with the cocaine thing, you know, obviously our government was involved with Iran-Contra, but let me take it a step further.
The Taliban love them or hate them.
And apparently, we kind of love them again over in Syria.
Okay, everybody just putting it out there.
I'm not telling you what to believe.
I'm just telling you about our policy.
Kind of love them again.
They had a lock on the opiate exports in their country to the point where global opium trade out of Afghanistan via poppies was less than 10%.
And very, very harsh punishments, by the way, if you got caught.
Well, the United States comes in.
And now the global opiate trade is 80 to 90% Afghanistan.
Oh, and our troops are literally protecting the opiate fields.
Oh, wait.
We installed not only against, because we love that oil.
We'll talk about the oil.
We love it.
We didn't talk about it as much then.
We talk about it now.
We put an ex-chevron executive, Hamid Karzai, in charge.
And then just it just so it's weird, but it just so happens, you know, his, oh, sorry, his blood brother will lead Karzai, is the head of the opium trade and a warlord that is eventually taken out in what looks to be a CIA hit with his own people on the inside.
Huh.
It's a weird playbook they got there, huh?
Huh, David?
I mean, that seems to me some faults.
I don't see anyone getting prosecuted for that network in this country.
Again, we could talk about the Sacklers and those type of opiates all day, just with the illegal ones.
Think about what our country did.
You think there's going to be one general, one NSA briefer, one person on the totem pole of the entire U.S. intelligence apparatus and the banking institutions that knowingly fund them.
One prosecution in this country.
You know what?
Wax my balls and call me Aggie.
Not happening, everybody.
What are your thoughts, David?
Did I go too far?
Well, no, actually, I don't know as much about you that you do in terms of like the drug connection in the poppy fields in Afghanistan and Karzai.
I know a little bit about that, but we talk about the drug connection, and even, you know, the DOJ doesn't maintain that that's what Maduro is indicted for.
We know that it's bogus, so much so that the DEA acknowledges like no fentanyl came from Venezuela, despite the propaganda, minuscule amounts of cocaine do.
But there was this propaganda campaign to smear Maduro for being kind of the leader of the cartel of the sons.
Now, this was an early 80s cartel set up and established and encouraged by the CIA to smuggle cocaine into the United States at a time when the United States was prosecuting people for that.
And you have like, you actually had the DOJ today.
I don't know if you saw this, Jason.
They actually edited the indictment to make it less clear that Maduro was connected to this organization because the evidence doesn't really exist.
They took 34 original mentions of him and his stewardship over this cartel and reduced it to two.
And I don't think it even applies or implies that he's the leader of it anymore.
So they're taking that off the table.
They are relying on a lot of the illegitimate election thing.
Winning Without Enforcing00:10:42
But at the same time, there's vast swaths of the American populace.
I would say maybe 30% in some regards that think either the 2016 election or the 2020 election was totally stolen.
So you're right when you say we won't even enforce election fraud in the United States, but now we're going to be the empire-oriented hegemonic, like enforcer of that on a global scale.
I just think that's so preposterous.
I have to agree with you.
And once again, it's like we need to clean up our own house.
But the bottom line is, it's not, I want it to be our house so badly.
You know, I want to believe in the system because at my heart, I'm not an anarcho anything.
I'm a constitutionalist at best.
And that's only because there used to be a system of checks and balances that kept those from those executive decisions from doing that without the fear of prosecution.
And there is to be those in the judicial branch where there's the same thing.
Let's talk about beyond the rhetoric of the second administration, okay?
Because they came out hot.
Again, I'm no fan of the world's most beloved defense contractor, Elon Musk.
But Doge seemed to actually be cutting down the government.
I mean, they were running their mouth so hard.
I mean, it took them 48 hours to free Ross Ulbricht, but they did it.
I was like, well, that's actually a good sign.
That's actually a good sign because I thought they were going to betray us on that one.
That was a win we wouldn't have got.
I was skeptical about the free speech executive order.
Whatever that was, you know, obviously I still don't think we have free speech, but it's opened certain things up.
You know, for me, right now, everybody wants to talk about X me and the free speech platform.
I've got a bigger venue on YouTube all of a sudden after Google demonetized my channel for five and a half years, right?
Literally over half a decade and took it away several times and had to fight them.
And now Google, which is basically the NSA, they're giving me a bigger platform than Elon Musk's X platform.
So some of the rhetoric did come through.
Obviously, Peace in the Middle East hasn't come through.
The end of Russia-Ukraine hasn't come through all that talk.
Oh, we're going to audit Fort Knox.
That ended real quick.
That ended real quick.
But then the underlying infrastructure of everything remains.
Most of those cuts, nope, sorry, we passed this bill, but it's just like, let's pile it on.
And then things start to shift, right?
He starts going after people like Massey and MTG.
Obviously, we all thought he was going to, you know, renege on the Epstein thing, which he did.
But that's the one issue the public seems to be aware enough about that they're demanding more, right?
What is the reality with this administration?
What can we really look forward to now in the next three years?
Is he?
I mean, because on the technocratic stuff, he's never been off.
On the military-industrial complex stuff, he may not be the war hawk that others are, but he's certainly not afraid to strike Iranian nuclear bases or pull a quote-unquote dictator out of a sovereign nation that has ultra resources.
So, what did it look like to you in the beginning?
Is there any remnants of that left?
And what do we have in that next three years?
Because you talked about narrative management and pre-crime.
A lot of the cronies on the inside, they love it.
And Bill Barr, his buddy that betrayed him, loved it too.
Yeah, man, there's so much to tackle there.
I think I'm mostly with you.
Actually, in the first two weeks of this Trump term, I was very, very pleasantly surprised.
We got Ross released.
That's a major thing.
It's not a major thing beyond, like, I think libertarian and Bitcoin universes, but it was an important pardon with maybe precedential ramifications there.
The two other things that I'll give him credit for, and people accuse me of Trump derangement syndrome all day in my comments.
Maybe some of it's true.
I'm certainly thinking that this administration is almost a total disaster, but he also withdrew the United States from the World Health Organization, which I think is a major deal, man.
They were trying to run on a global scheme, enforcement and support for the COVID regime and all this treacherous tyranny that destroyed lives by the multitudes.
And he also mostly dismantled USAID.
Now, he did roll some of those people underneath Rubio, but this was a major thing that wasn't even like foreshadowed or announced.
That just came down.
Now, with Doge, we might have a slightly different opinion here.
I love the rhetoric on it.
I love that you had Elon Musk sharing freaking Ron Paul and Milton Friedman videos all the time, talking about all the waste and how much fraud and excess and spending there was.
But the cynic in me thinks that, you know, Elon Musk might have had some genuine feelings to cut spending there, but facing this Washington machine, it just wasn't possible.
And the ultra cynic in me thinks a lot of this was just to install Palantir's foundry software into many new organizations within the deep state, including the Treasury Department, including in the DHS, such that they can accumulate the data they need to make insights and enslave us in the future.
So that's the cynic in me.
As far as where do we go from here, well, I just think the handling of the Epstein thing has been the most destructive thing to him, especially among his base.
To your point on that, I hated the Iran strike.
I'm hoping that they don't renew it, which Trump and Netanyahu both seem to commit to, by the way, just a few days ago.
And the Venezuela thing, there's a lot of questions there.
I don't like how it's handled yet, but the inflation crisis is a real deal.
And I think that that is what's going to ultimately seal the deal for Republicans in 2026.
I do think you're going to have a bloodbath.
And they're going to rightly point to the cause of it being inflation.
They're going to call it unaffordability so you can disentangle it from the central banking printing machine.
But they are going to win on that.
You saw Mamdani win on that.
It's different to win in New York than other places.
But I just see no avenue unless then there's a backlash against the ruling Democrats in 2026 to put Vance back in.
That might happen.
That could be plausible.
But that's where I see it.
Sorry for going off forever, Jason.
No, no.
I mean, you had a lot to say.
And quite frankly, I don't want Vance anywhere near it.
If anybody, I want Massey, who, again, Trump today wrote another ridiculous tirade against the one guy that has been consistently small government accountability and truth-based and peace, by the way.
And not having a military, but again, not going into other people's sovereign nations.
Again, I want to give credit where credit's due.
Another thing that we haven't mentioned that I think is a definite difference than if they installed Kamala Embarrass and Dementia Joe 2.0, right?
Is that you had the pardons, or at least I'm not sure they were pardons, but he let a lot of the January 6ers go.
He even just let out Tina Peters, which I think is the right thing, right?
Those things don't happen under the other regime.
100%.
But at the same time, these other things that are so important that transcend those pettier issues, right?
Or I'd say heavier issues, not pettier.
Like you said, the purchasing power of the dollar.
That's not going away.
And Trump can say that's the Biden administration's fault all you want.
The truth is, we had the largest wealth transfer in history via COVID-19.
And right in front of everybody's face for the first time ever, they literally stopped the stock market several times.
All right.
I don't know what free markets we're talking about, even with all the corruption that you've ever seen, when they can just say, no soup for any of you.
Let's go behind closed doors and just decide what we're going to do.
That's the craziest thing ever.
The fact that that's never really been discussed on any mainstream talk show at length in perspective when you're talking about these economic crises should show you what media narratives actually mean, everybody.
So they just print, print, print, and print away.
That doesn't matter.
And people go, well, how do they get away with that?
Well, it's because they end up taking over more and more of the infrastructure while they do it.
So they'll give you whatever pittance there.
They're the ones that are invested in BlackRock that buy up all the homes and the properties, folks.
Like that's how it works.
And a guy like Musk that's leading you down these different roads, he's the number one defense contractor.
I mean, look at his businesses.
I mean, number one transhumanist, number one defense contractor, got the spy satellite network up there, did the old one called Blackjack, just put up Starshield, is digging underground tunnels via the boring company.
It's not a flamethrower company, everybody.
It's a private contracting company that's building bunkers for the military and Lockheed Martin, you fools, and probably contracting on the basis of these new AI data centers.
You know, you talked about Venezuela and boots on the ground.
Here's another fear I have.
I don't think it's going to be, I think it's going to be very small amounts of U.S. soldier boots on the ground, but large amounts of the privatized military groups that were more centralized in the Middle East.
You're going to see them now more in South America.
And again, they don't play by the same rules, don't have to as the U.S. military.
Not that we're great guys, but this, again, allows more, I mean, outwardly bought corporate militaries.
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Who do you think they're going to be protecting there?
The oil executives and their workers that are literally rebuilding the infrastructure with their own money per Trump's words.
They're paying for it.
We'll reimburse them.
Again, I guess that's, I guess, open market war, but it's fascism right in your face, right?
Its might is right.
Are we moving way down that line, imperial-wise, with whatever comes after Trump?
Or can some common sense be drafted into him?
Because again, this is also the first administration where I've seen the Overton window move a bit.
And another thing that I haven't praised enough is Bobby Kennedy.
I know a lot of people like to take hot steaming dumps on Bobby, but real movement against mRNA and the COVID shots.
Real movement against processed foods and dyes and regular traditional, quote unquote, hate and live shots.
I hate seeing the V-word even now on YouTube.
But you see what I'm saying?
Think that, I mean, just the fact that when he got asked about spraying in the sky and he said DARPA, you would have never got that from any other head of an administration ever before that.
So there is a shift.
Is there enough of a shift to save humanity from the pre-crime and the wars and the hate and lies, my friend?
I don't know.
I think that's one of the most terrifying things that is just totally being overshadowed and undercovered, except by people like you and Whitney Webb and the Free Thought Project talking about the threat of Palantir.
You talked a little bit about Bobby Kennedy.
I do think there are some things to like about him.
I think he had pull in getting Jay Bhattacharya at the head of his department, which is major.
He's a hero.
But at the same time, I think that there's some open questions about didn't he put the measles mRNA treatment on the schedule or something like that.
There are some other things.
Oh, here's my biggest problem with Kennedy.
You can weigh in after this.
I bet you know more than me on this, but he is called not once, but twice, the biggest public health crisis in the United States, anti-Semitism from the HHS department.
It seems to fuel this propaganda campaign for Israel first at the expense of us, turning that domestically.
So you set up attacks on free speech by conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, which I think is a major issue.
And it's tearing us apart domestically because of our foreign policy regime.
So you correct me on Kennedy if I'm wrong.
I think you're right on that issue.
I mean, I think that one of the things that he was rather cowardice about was he didn't end up doing that debate on Jimmy Dore that he had agreed to, right?
I think he was supposed to debate Gray Zone and Blumenthal.
Oh, gosh, I wish that would have happened.
Holy crap.
I love Max.
And that you're not wrong to knock that.
I mean, that's definitely one of those rails where you're not allowed to talk about Israeli power if you're in the upper echelons of power structures, right?
Unless you really don't have anything that's going to be able to do anything about it.
Like, let's be honest, like, Mamdani, he's a globalist.
Beyond Nation States00:03:23
He's a collective.
He literally said he was a collectivist.
The most chilling thing he said is that we're going to be moving away from the frigidity of rugged individualism into the warmth of collective.
I literally screamed out loud.
Guys, he's not a communist.
I mean, that's as authoritarian and crazy as it gets.
When you hear stuff like that, watch out.
He's a smart guy.
He reminds me a lot of a Barack star.
He'll sit in the room.
Totally 100% agree.
Sit in the rooms, listen to everybody, take it in, knows where his place is, but then is going to delegate very well to the general populace and watch for that guy to rise again, which is scary.
When you're talking about the Israel issue, right, there's not many that are really going to speak out against it because we are so intertwined.
And people don't want to hear that.
It's not one controls the other.
We work together and stab each other in the back viciously.
And when I say that, I mean, even when we go back to Iran-Contra, well, they talk about Epstein being an Israeli agent.
Well, you're probably not wrong on that.
But when you look at even somebody like Robert Maxwell, who starts in British intelligence, works for Israeli intelligence, even does some business with the KGB.
And what business is he in?
Oh, oh, he's in the media business.
They're just running media operations in the spot.
And that happens with the daughter.
Well, they're selling and pitching wars, right?
We talked about that drug running aspect.
People not in the know about Iran-Contra.
Guess what, guys?
We didn't buy the guns again.
When I say we, the United States, we didn't buy one gun.
We didn't buy one gun to ship it down.
You know who did it?
Israel.
Israel bought the guns from Czechoslovakia and Poland, shipped them into Yugoslavia, then into Bolivia and into the Sandinistas.
And then we kind of cut them in on the action on the back end through all this BCCI money laundering.
So, like, that's how international cartels work.
So, it's beyond the nation state.
And because you're talking about nation states that are allied with each other and also set up not only the intelligence networks, but the cutout organizations, the banks, the NGOs, I mean, USAID, don't get me wrong.
It's a big deal.
It's the tip of the iceberg, guys.
Do you know how many universities and pharmaceutical companies that would become large?
I mean, they were already large at the time, but even larger were involved in things like MKUltra, the Bears of the World, everybody, the McGill Universities of the world.
We talked about Epstein and the MITs of the world.
That's what I don't think people get.
And this is where I'd love to get your take.
It's beyond the nation state.
Again, I was a hopeful guy.
I really believe Constitutional Republic.
Government vs. Technology00:04:06
What are the limits of where our government goes in this future where technology is moving at a rapid pace?
And I hate to say it, but it's more and more anti-human.
Yeah, it's hard to know, man.
I mean, I think that technology has the propensity and potential to undermine the state, but then at some point, it gets, well, to what extent can the government, the state, and this transnational security elite that you point to, you imply there, which does seem to be the real government in charge in many of these things, Iran-Contra being the ultimate example, right?
But I think it's going to take someone like two or three levels above like my IQ to maybe solve this.
We're going to need like the real like dissident, you know, Lucky Palmer, Elon Musk, or Peter Thiel that's actually a dissident, maybe to solve this on the same way that Satoshi, in some ways, solved money in some cases.
If you're a Bitcoin fanatic, or listen, whether I'm a Bitcoin fanatic or not, or if you believe Satoshi is DARPA, like for me, and I was in there early, you know, I was interviewing Max Kaiser back in 2009-10 when Bitcoin was less than a dollar.
And even then, I was just extremely here.
Here's my biggest issue: it's a great technology, and I totally understand it.
But when the World Economic Forum is using the blockchain in refugee camps based on the biometric data that they scan from you and the same type of biometric data they used to take in Iraq, everybody, just same exact devices, that's probably not a great look or a great thing.
And this whole mythos of some kind, we all want to believe in an individual superhero that's going to solve everything.
And I get, no, they can't touch my keys.
You remember like two, three years ago when actually they said, did Satoshi show himself?
Because there was like 2 billion in Bitcoin or something ludicrous moved.
And what actually happened was it was a bunch of guys or two guys that were running a pirate site.
And it was back in the day where basically, you know, it wasn't mega upload, but it was one of those like offshoots where you paid a certain amount, but they only took Bitcoin.
And they took it early enough where they didn't even, I don't think they spent the Bitcoin.
Like it was under $2 billion.
Like they let it accrue.
They got them in a room and they got those keys.
Now, I'm just saying, you're a human being.
At some point, when they cut off the third finger and they go, the next one's not a finger, and they kick your dinghy.
You might give them the key, right?
I understand getting around banks.
We all want that.
Hey, right there with the banking.
But I also understand that if people are controlling it in the sense of exchanges, and it really isn't peer-to-peer, which most of these are no longer peer-to-peer, right?
You got to convert it into cash or credits.
Well, they can turn it off at any time, just like they did your PayPal or bank account.
And they can do it instantaneously, literally, while you're at the market at the checkout and be like, you know what?
Screw that guy.
Insta-screw.
What are your thoughts there in that Bitcoin arena?
Because I get it.
I understand.
And again, it's a technology like anything else.
Hammer can beat a man's head in, build a beautiful home.
What do you think?
Yeah, man.
I mean, I'm not super well educated on this.
I think that there's fair claims in that direction.
It is the claim of, let's just say, Roger Ver that Bitcoin's been infiltrated to by the feds.
Wexner's Geopolitical Connections00:09:36
And you make some good points about how much it's been co-opted by maybe ruling authorities, maybe used as a reserve currency.
But I also think there's rebuttals to that too.
Like it's like, well, the degree to which that they've, you know, traded that or established that as a reserve fund, just wait until you see how much they use the dollar and the petro dollar to do that too.
So I think there's fair arguments on all sides of that.
As far as what you said about like the transnational security elite, though, and Iran-Contra, we know more from these releases and in the run-up to them about Epstein's role in that, including, you know, his associations with Pottinger, a key figure in Iran-Contra.
We learn more about his associations with Douglas Lease.
I don't think that it was widely known that he had taken one of Douglas Leese's grandchildren as he was the godfather of.
I don't think that people.
They literally said in that article after like a whole paragraph, there's he's no, no way he's intelligent.
So like five New York Times people that he not only Douglas Leese, arms dealer and defense contractor, mentored Epstein and took him around the world on business deals in the early 80s with all of this.
On his private jet.
And that's how he met Adnan Khashoggi.
And I don't know if you saw this drop site article.
I've really been following those guys, Ryan Graham and Murtazu Hussein.
I love them.
There's a really good article about how Epstein got access to the Iran-Contra planes and repurposed them to ship Les Wexner's lingerie to East Asia.
And we're supposed to have no questions about this.
Nothing to see here.
No intelligence connections.
And the other thing, the thing about Wexner is, you know, we talk about the Israeli angle, right?
He's largely been untouched, even with some media pressure in the sense that Hulu did that one documentary series on Wexner and Epstein's connection, still able to evade any type of criminal investigation or charges, unless he's one of the 10 co-conspirators, which he may be.
But again, I think it's proven they refer to a mogul in Ohio in that leaked email from an FBI agent that it said they were an FBI in New York.
I think it's proven.
And they were going to subpoena him to testify in front of a grand jury along with trying to track down Ghelane Maxwell and seven other people.
And just Kash Patel lied through his teeth that there was no evidence that there is any co-conspirators in the case file.
This is in the case file.
And I think that just smacks of total cover-up, total absurdity.
And in a just world, Kash Patel would not only be impeached, I think he would be in prison for perjury.
Kash Patel is a little, little man, both physically and beyond, everybody.
But back to Wexner, you know, I'm sorry for sure.
No, no, no.
I think it's important.
Not only, you know, you talked about the Victoria Secret.
So again, this world of beautiful women, influence, being able to at least curry favor with others, but he's also a big part of the military-industrial complex.
He has the Wexner Foundation.
He has the think tank.
He's literally putting money into propaganda to keep the United States into the war after the overthrow of Saddam.
So it enters into that geopolitical arena.
It's not just the modeling stuff.
Epstein himself, after his convictions and during the first Trump administration, has a, I guess she's not a congresswoman because she works.
She's the representative of the island, but has her in his pocket and is texting her direct questions to ask Trump's ex-lawyer.
Like, hello.
I mean, that just shows the geopolitical pull, just again, a microcosm of a guy like that and those real connections.
And like you said, when you look at the early 80s and these networks, everybody always goes, oh, well, he must have made his money through blackmail or this or that.
I mean, arms deals are extremely lucrative.
Prince Andrew was also the UK's arms dealer, everybody.
Oh, weird connection.
He's the UK's arms dealer.
And even though Douglas Leese is with him in the early 80s, again, that's when he mentors him.
If you go to that, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but Lewis Black is the comedian.
He's on the They Might Be Drunk podcast.
And he talks about being invited to Epstein's mansion in New York in the late 90s.
So now you have 20-plus year gap, right?
Between the Iran-Contra and what's happening now.
Now, a lot of people don't know this, but Ahud Barak, who's not just the former Israeli prime minister, but also the defense minister.
Yeah, he wrote a full speech for him, at least one, by the way.
In addition, we learned that.
We learned that he collaborated with Ehud Barak and Putin to try to profit off the Syrian civil war.
He was proven to have arranged a wire transfer to a proven Israeli spy named Yoni Korin.
He set up security deals between the government of Israel directly as a broker and the governments of Mongolia and the Ivory Coast too.
So I don't mean to interrupt you, but there are so many like indisputable connections to doing direct work on behalf of Israel's government.
And we're supposed to say there's nothing here.
There's nothing to see here.
Yeah.
And Democratic hooks with those agreements become security.
What is it?
Security guarantees is what's happening.
That's what security guarantees.
And those security guarantees, by the way, folks, are weapons.
Okay.
And people that can operate those weapons.
So Lewis Black goes to this dinner and he says that Epstein brings him into a room where he has a whiteboard.
And we've now seen some of these whiteboards and blackboards from these drops.
And he goes, do you know what this is?
He's like, no.
He goes, I was discussing weapon systems with the Israeli defense minister last night.
So again, he's got a whiteboard up of weapon systems.
He's connected these people for decades.
He's got billions of dollars.
Oh, yeah.
And Zorro Ranch, which was never investigated, looks like something out of S7, a Area 51 bunker on the bottom.
I mean, what are we doing here, Dave?
Yeah, I don't, they never searched Zorro Ranch, right?
And there's so many loose ends here that were never pursued.
The thing to me that was so criminal is that with Epstein's death, whatever you chalk that up to, Epstein killed himself, right?
It seems like whatever investigation that would have happened beyond Epstein died with him.
And that's just totally inexcusable.
And I know that me and you in spaces got into, well, was there blackmail?
How extensive was the blackmail, if there was, et cetera, and doubting that.
But it seems at the very least that the FBI, you know, at least entertained the notion of that with Jean-Luc Brunel being one of the possible co-conspirators too.
We're supposed to all forget about Jean-Luc Brunel too, who offed himself in a similar fashion, according to the traditional narrative after he was apprehended by French authorities.
So there's so much here, and it's just an irrefutable fact.
What was called an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory before does seem to be true.
There was some connection here.
I think he was an access agent that was probably a free agent like Robert Maxwell that would have maybe worked for MI6.
It sometimes maybe worked indirectly for the CIA and Mossad, IDF intelligence.
Who knows?
I mean, Barack ran IDF intelligence for a time, as you know, but there's just the whole thing stinks beyond the sex scandal.
And there is that too.
But I think the thing that people get most strong on Epstein, and you're not one of them, you know this, is his money laundering connections and arms trafficking connections that just gets lost in the shuffle of this Epstein narrative.
But everything to me shows that that was as much a part of what Epstein really was as the sexual exploitation and the sex.
Staley is in his hot tub well after the convictions.
And then they pay out a multitude of money well before these latest releases because the emails that do get released have everybody on the inside of the office joking around how Epstein likes his girls not only young, but in Disney outfits.
And by the way, we got to see some of those outfits in this latest drop.
A Lot of Stuff Revealed00:02:05
But we also got to see that passport and the name on that passport that was issued by Austria.
And by the way, there's more passports.
So much to that case.
Dave, let's wrap it up.
Tell people about the Liberty Vault, how they can support you, and what your next big video is going to be on.
Yeah.
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