DECADES OF DISSIDENCE: David Icke's Road Map Revealed!
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And today is really special because we're not just going to make sense of the madness.
We're actually going to escape the maze of madness via the roadmap and via David Icke.
Now, before I bring David in, I just want to say that this is really a guy that over the past several decades has been a true dissident and has remained true to his word in things like the Hegelian dialectic, problem reaction solution, the false illusion of the left and right.
And I think today, in this time period, that really needs to be emphasized.
And one of the great things about David, other than the fact that he has remained consistent and anti-war over the years, is when you disagree with him, he doesn't attack you.
He says, you know what?
Believe something else.
Here's my information.
I'm presenting it to you.
And you are allowed to not believe it.
That's one of the great things about free will or challenge that information because there have been certain shifts, especially in these books, which are just massive volumes that really open the minds of many.
So without further ado, here he is, David Icke.
Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
And before we get into the roadmap, which gets into the nature of reality, and I do really want to pick your brain because you are really one of the first people, again, decades ago, that was talking about this holographic reality, if you were.
Well, you know, not just the physical reality we're bound by.
And now I see that not only popularized, but in a lot of ways hijacked, in my opinion.
For instance, when I see this push of a matrix-type simulation, it's always along the lines of a multiverse, or we don't really have free will.
We're down to zeros and ones.
And that's not what you've projected, kind of the opposite over the years, kind of the empowerment of people.
So, David, I guess maybe we will start there.
What is reality?
Well, it depends what reality you're talking about.
If you're talking about the reality of the infinite, the infinite reality, it is consciousness.
And we're all expressions of that consciousness.
And what has happened as I've been picking off the layers of deceit over the last 36 years is that we have become entrapped.
Our consciousness, or this part of it that experiences this reality, has become trapped in a fake reality that's been specifically created, constructed.
It's actually very much along the lines of Wi-Fi.
It's an information field, which we are decoding through this biological computer into the reality we think we're experiencing when that reality is nothing like we're experiencing.
I mean, in the last Few decades and more, we've had the focus in science, among many scientists anyway, on quantum physics.
And they find that quantum physics shows that this is not a solid reality.
We experience it like that, I'll grant you, and we can talk about why that is.
But it's actually a fake reality.
It's a reality that is there to hijack our perception, yes, of reality, but crucially, our perception of self-identity.
So, if you were beyond the matrix, the simulation, as I call it, you would be consciousness interacting with consciousness.
What we, and you'd be aware, I am consciousness, that would be my self-identity.
But within this matrix, they've created fake self-identities called, for instance, in our case, humans.
We are not human.
We are consciousness having a brief, very brief experience called human.
So, the self-identification becomes I am human and I am therefore limited to the limitations of the physical world, and that at best, I am a soul who answers to some judgmental God.
They're the basic two perceptions of reality, sense of self that we have.
And what I'm pointing out in the roadmap is that this biological computer, as I call it, is carrying like a software program.
It's all basically, it's amazing, as I've watched over recent decades, seeing the playout of this technological world of computers and artificial intelligence and all these things, which actually is mirroring the very reality that we're experiencing.
So, if you, for instance, look at just the limitation that this biological computer gives us on what we can see.
According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experience reality, is 0.005% of what exists in energetic forms in the universe.
But visible light, which is the only band of frequency that we can see, is a tiny smear of the 0.005%.
Initiates and Programming00:15:38
And therefore, when you say to people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything in the space that you're experiencing?
The answer in most cases would be, yeah, of course, I can see everything in the space.
No, you can't.
You're seeing a band of frequency, that's all.
And everything you see is within that band of frequency, otherwise, you wouldn't see it.
And can I just jump in there?
Because when I do try to explain this to people, one of the easy ways I do this is I say, listen, for well over a century of humanity now, we've been transmitting invisible signals to communicate on some level.
And I go, whether it's the radio back in the day or your UHF or VHF television via antennas to now sophisticated Wi-Fi devices, they all transmit massive amounts of information.
And then now we've seen even that evolution of information, like from the radio to the fuzzy television, which you were a presenter on many years ago, to now full high-definition we're across the pond, my friend, in real time.
And I could be streaming this.
I'm only streaming it to one network, but usually we do it to four, and I'll be putting it there in real time from my home.
And that's a microcosm for what's possible and only what's really been revealed to humanity and allowed on a consumer basis right now with that technology.
Obviously, there are many other bands of frequencies that surround us that are not visible to the human eye.
Absolutely, almost all of them.
And if you look at what frequency is, it carries information.
So you mentioned Wi-Fi there, and it's a wonderful example of what I'm saying about the technological unfolding being a mirror of the way we interact with reality.
Because you take Wi-Fi, what is Wi-Fi?
It's a radiation field encoded with information, wave, wave information, frequency information.
And if you said to someone who knew nothing about computers and nothing about Wi-Fi, in this room, there is a field of information, of radiation that you can tap into anywhere in the world that it exists, and you can bring into vision a whole worldwide reality,
the World Wide Web.
What would people say if they knew nothing about computers and Wi-Fi?
What would they have said some years ago before it came about?
They'd say, you're mad, mate.
You're crazy.
Where is it?
I can't see it.
And yet in this room is Wi-Fi, which I can't see.
But this computer locks into that Wi-Fi and decodes it into what we're looking at on the screen.
It turns it into graphics, into moving pictures, into images, into words, et cetera, on the screen.
Now, where does that reality of the computer exist?
Does it exist over there or over there or up there?
No, it exists inside the computer.
We're just observing it.
And if you then look at how the biological computer works in relation to this simulated fake reality, it's exactly the same in principle and very much of the detail.
So if you, again, go to mainstream science, the five senses of sight and touch and smell, et cetera, taste, they are the senses through which we interact with this matrix.
And what the senses do is take waveform frequency information, they turn it into electrical information.
They communicate it to the brain.
And there's different parts of the brain that specialize in decoding different senses, the sight senses around here somewhere.
And then it puts together this sense of reality that we have, this holographic sense of reality, which actually does not exist out here.
I know we're going far out, but never mind.
I have been known to.
It doesn't exist out there.
It exists in here, just as the Wi-Fi decoded reality exists inside the computer.
And now, just imagine this, Jason.
You have two worlds in this one world.
One world is that of what I call the global cult.
This is a network, global network of secret societies with an interlocking mission control leadership.
And it is a network of secret societies within which most of the initiates are not as in the dark as the rest of the population, but they're in different levels of the dark called degrees, degrees of knowledge.
And when I'm saying that this is what this cult knows, I'm talking about the inner core from which this global dystopia is emerging.
So what do they know?
First of all, this advanced information, this advanced knowledge of the nature of reality and how it works, the nature of where they're taking humanity and why is passed over through the inner core of this secret society network through the generations.
So they, at that inner core, have incredibly advanced knowledge of reality and the global agenda for human control that they need to keep from the population.
Now they do that by working through this secret society network, through these initiates, the inner core initiates.
Now, if you then look at the other world, it's the world that we live in, humans.
And the idea is to keep what they know from them.
And how do they do it?
Well, this network, if you do the research, has actually created the sources of information and communication that the target population have.
If you look at the education system, it was created by this cult.
In America, it was created by people like the Rockefellers, J.G. Rockefeller, etc.
The mainstream media, which is pounding out information and suppressing that which they don't want us to know.
That was created and is now owned ever more obviously by this global cult.
And so, you know, imagine you come out of the womb and your parents who have been through this programming then are interacting with you in a way that's giving you a sense of reality.
And most of them are not doing it out of malevolence, but they've been through the system you're about to go through and bought it.
And therefore, they think it's the right thing to pass it on to you.
You then, at a very early age, four or five, you go into the programming system.
It's called education.
And now a teacher is representing the state and the official version of reality is standing there.
They're telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can eat, when you can talk, when you can go to the toilet, and they are giving you the version of reality that this cult wants you to believe, so you won't know what they know.
You then go on to university and college, and professors, very, very brilliant professors, they carry that on.
And then you leave the education system and you go into the world of work.
And, well, before AI takes over anyway.
And what you're doing is you're meeting then and interacting with people who've been through the same programming system you have only earlier, bought it.
And now everyone's agreeing that basically the version of normal we've been given is how things are.
And the thing then happens is that if you come along, someone like me, for instance, and says, no, actually, it's not just a little bit of the case that you're being manipulated and you're being misled.
Actually, the scale of misleading is absolutely massive, even down to your very basis perception of reality.
What the people who've been through the programming say is you're mad, you're crazy, just like the people that wouldn't know about Wi-Fi would think it was crazy.
And so what you've got is two worlds.
One, where the inner core of this cult has access to expanded advanced levels of knowledge, especially about reality and how it works, and a target population where that is suppressed.
And I'll tell you, one of the best or most effective mind control techniques is to compress, suppress the sense of the possible in the population.
Because if you can do that, when people like me come along and say, actually, this is how it works, the immediate reaction is, that's not possible.
That's ridiculous.
And there was a great line.
I think his name was Schopenhauer.
He said words to the effect of humanity confuses what is possible by basically what they perceive to be possible.
And they're not the same thing.
Now, this cult knows that.
And it's using techniques on us from this advanced knowledge that people in the general population would just dismiss.
They can't do that.
That's not possible.
It's exactly what they're doing.
And so we're in this situation now where the AI-human fusion agenda being pushed by people like Musk and all these other AI oligarchs and your teals and your Andreessens and all these people, the David Sachs, the AI czar of Trump.
And the idea is to impact even more on human perception and human behavior by making AI take over the human mind and become the human mind.
This is what is happening before our eyes.
And it's extraordinarily frustrating for me to watch all the diversions and people buying all the diversions when this is the key to everything.
It's where this cult has been taking us all along to a point where it absolutely controls what we think and therefore how we behave.
And so you are seeing people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google Expert.
Hold on, hold on.
Before we get there, because I want to get, I want, believe me, I want to get to the transhumanism and the AI and Kurzweil and all that.
But you just went into a lot of the indoctrination methods.
You kind of took us all the way through that of this global cult.
I often refer to them as the predator class.
I know you get into a lot of the esoterica, the symbolism.
You talked about the secret societies, but really, even when you go down to the secret societies that come out of these universities and bloodlines, things like Skull and Bones, they are the precursors to the OSS and the central intelligence agencies.
And they are the precursors to the roundtable groups such as the CFR or the Trilateral Commission.
You mentioned the Rockefeller group.
You just mentioned somebody like Peter Thiel, who sits on the board across from Eric Schmidt at the Bilderberg group, maybe the apex of that group.
And that's where I want to hit before we get to the technological aspect of all this.
Because, you know, we could talk about, I'm sure we could talk about Musk for an hour and maybe we will.
But when we talk about that group, so many people are still caught up in this left-right paradigm, right?
On an accountability level in this country, and quite frankly, in yours, because there has been, although there is infighting with the power structures, say in the United States, in Europe, in Israel, together at the top, they pretty much work together.
They may stab each other in the back, but they're just vying for the top of that same corrupt organization.
How do you get people past this Democrat-Republican thing when in both countries, we haven't seen any, like I would say, the last time in this country we saw real criminal accountability at an executive level was something like a ran-contra, right?
But those were slaps on the wrist.
They barely told us anything about it.
In fact, that's probably the big secret with Epstein is that he was facilitating a lot of those arms deals, dealing with Khashoggi, Pottinger, BCCI, et cetera.
So they'll cut a few people, but at the same time, the structure never ends.
The government still deals the drugs, right?
I mean, look at what happens in Afghanistan later on during the war of terror.
And the power structure just pushes forward with this global cartel.
Organizations at the Cusp00:15:30
Can you kind of explain that to people, how they have both parties or all the parties in these major systems?
And in my opinion, you know, you were one of the first people to really talk about global governance and what people call the new world order.
We lived through not just the beta, but the alpha of the new world order via COVID-1984 and some of these institutions, the UN, the WHO.
It was very prevalent, right?
And kind of like, and I know I'm ranting a little bit here, but do you think we'll ever actually get to the point?
Do they need to get to the point of an actual like one government that everybody looks to?
Or am I kind of right that that structure has now been built and it's flexed its muscles a bit?
Well, we're seeing it unfold by the hour.
I mean, the idea is the world government in the end will not be elected.
It will be selected technocrats and bureaucrats.
And we're moving towards that all the time.
And before I get into the deeper picture of the question, that's why, or one reason, why you find so many extraordinarily moronic people in power.
of political power around the world.
I mean, you look at Trump, you look at the Trump cabinet, if there's a brain cell on active duty, well, it's the first I've seen.
You look at Keir Starmer's cabinet in Britain, you look at Keir Starmer.
There's a brain cell and active duty.
Well, it's the first I've seen.
And you see this around the world.
Throughout COVID, it was extraordinary watching these world leaders who didn't have two brain cells to rub together.
Now, the reason for that is they're seeking to get people to completely lose confidence in elected politicians because they want to replace them and they want to prepare the human mind, human perception to accept a non-elected government.
I mean, you know, you look at some of these people in the background behind Teal and behind Musk, et cetera.
And that's exactly basically the governing system that they want.
But if we can just look at this global cult and how it works, it's very, very instructive and certainly will explain why left and right are two, well, two cheeks in the same backside, you might say.
And if you could imagine a spider's web, which is encompassing the earth.
And in the middle of the spider's web is a spider.
Now, that spider, as I go into in the roadmap, is not in this reality, not in this dimension.
It's operating outside of this dimension.
And this global cult within the human world is serving the interests of that non-human force.
So you've got the spider.
Now, each of these strands in the web is either a secret society, a semi-secret group, or governments, government agencies, etc.
Silicon Valley, World Health Organization.
And how it works is this.
The strands immediately around the spider, deep in the hidden, are the most exclusive secret societies.
Many of them don't even have names because it makes them harder to track.
And you almost certainly won't see any of those people involved in those inner, inner, inner circle secret societies on public display.
You then come out still in the hidden, and you hit the secret societies we do know about.
You look at the Freemasons, the Knights of Malta, Opus Day, the Knights Templar, et cetera, et cetera.
And they are fiercely compartmentalized through degrees.
So people at the top know far, far more about the big picture and how it works than those at the bottom.
If you look at the Freemasons, for instance, the vast, vast majority of Freemasons are on the bottom three levels of degree in the Scottish Rite, the so-called blue degrees.
And they don't get any further.
And they are basically a show army obscuring the inner core that's running the show.
So this global agenda for humanity, which we're seeing unfolding so blatantly and in such an extreme fashion now, is coming out of this spider, this other dimension of reality.
And it's going through the secret society network.
And then it hits what I call the cusp in the web.
And the cusp is where the hidden meets the scene.
And in that cusp, you find the World Economic Forum, you find the Bilderberg Group and organizations like that.
You find the Council on Foreign Relations and these other groups that we know exist, if you want to do any research at all, but we don't know what they're talking about most of the time and what they're deciding.
And also in this cusp area are the NGOs and the non-governmental organizations and the so-called think tanks, of which they are legion.
And in this cusp, the job of that part of the web is to take the agenda from the hidden and play it out into the scene through government agencies, governments, Silicon Valley, the media, corporations, on and on and on and on it goes, the World Health Organization, World Trade Organization, and so on.
And so if you come out into the world of the scene, at that point, everything to most people anyway seems totally random.
So you see corporations that don't seem to be connected.
You see Silicon Valley, where they don't seem to be connected in the same way as they really are.
And you see the World Health Organization and governments and what's happening.
It's confusing.
It's bewildering.
It's meant to be.
And it's what the hell's going on.
The point is that these organizations too are fiercely compartmentalized because most people in the World Health Organization have no clue what it's really for.
It's to dominate and dictate world health policy worldwide through all governments.
That's what it was created by the Rockefellers to do in 1948.
And now a Rockefeller gopher called Bill Gates is running the show through this corrupt front man Tedross.
And we saw all that going on with COVID.
So these organizations are fiercely compartmentalized.
So if you go deep enough into the Silicon Valley corporations, you go deep enough into Facebook, you go deep enough into Google, you go deep enough into Twitter X, and you then go deep enough into these other organizations, you meet a point where they attach to this web.
Let me just stop you right there.
You don't even have to dig that.
Let me just go through those organizations you just said.
I mean, first of all, you talked about Facebook.
A lot of people know about the Total Information Awareness Network that just disappeared from DARPA and seems to mirror Facebook.
But then you actually do have somebody like Peter Thiel, who is an early investor, who's also not just the co-chair at Bilderberg up there, but he's also a guy behind PayPal, partnered with Musk.
So digital money, you look at Musk, and Musk's the number one defense contractor on the planet.
I mean, the idea that he's like fighting the system is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
And then you look at Google.
I mean, God, people, if you think that this is a private company, just because it's traded on the stock market, again, defense contractor partnered with NASA, was given the initial algorithm through the National Library Initiative from Dartbutton and NASA, have claimed quantum supremacy in AI.
They have the number one search engine in the world.
They have the number one platform in the world, Android, Chromebooks that are in your kids.
I mean, I keep going because the number two platform in the world search engine is the number one video platform in the world, which is YouTube, which they bought for $8 billion years ago, right around the time that they changed from don't be evil to take that off the wall.
So I know that was a short-term rant, but I mean, if you think any of those are private companies, you don't understand how the world works.
I mean, it's not even, it's not even a lair facade.
Everything I said, their own AI will actually tell you if you question it.
Exactly.
So what you've got is your Facebooks and your Silicon Valley AI social media platforms attached to the same web that governments do, attach the same web the World Health Organization does.
And at that level, they're working as one unit.
Now, massive numbers of people working in those organizations won't know that.
But at the controlling core, they're all working as one unit.
Now, during COVID, we saw that blatantly.
You had the version of COVID coming out of the World Health Organization, total bloody lies.
And then you had the Silicon Valley social media corporation saying immediately, we are going to censor anyone that challenges that World Health Organization version of COVID.
And let me just say something about that because I think that's key.
It's really not only just what they say, but the overall narrative that's being presented, not across just the WHO, but the media that you talked about, because there are points when they actually tell the truth.
Let me give you an example of that.
When they, or not the truth, but you challenge that truth and you get censored.
They said things like, well, the flu disappeared from the southern hemisphere of the planet and then said the northern hemisphere.
And then you would go to, say, NPR.
And I remember it.
They had 132 hospitalizations in the United States for the flu.
And the prior year, it was over 120,000 plus.
Okay, so you'd point that out that they're saying that the flu disappeared.
This was just, this was the side narrative they admitted to, but not the narrative they were projecting.
If you put that on social media, if you dared to even quote them in a manner that challenged the greater narrative with their own words, censored.
So what people would say who were looking on at this is why would the Silicon Valley social media platforms be censoring anyone challenging the World Health Organization?
That doesn't make sense.
Ah.
But when you think that you go deep enough in the World Health Organization and deep enough in the Silicon Valley social media platforms, you attach to the web.
And in that way, they are working as one unit.
So Silicon Valley was censoring anything that would undermine the World Health Organization version of COVID because they're both on the same bloody team.
And talking of COVID, you remember how people from the big pharma cartel came out of the Rockefellers in large part as well.
How they were going to the drug enforcement agencies like the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in America, and they were asking to use this, well, I was going to say, untrialed fake vaccine, but it actually wasn't trialed, untrialed.
They untrialed it in the normal sense.
Yeah, they didn't trial it in the normal sense.
But they trialled it long before to get the outcome that they wanted.
And we can get into what the outcome was planned to be as we go along, maybe.
But they were going to these drug enforcement agencies and they were saying, we want permission to give this fake vaccine, not a vaccine under previous criteria, to lower and lower and lower age groups, right down to kids.
And they were getting it.
They were getting it.
And they were getting it in Britain.
They were getting it in other countries.
They were getting it in the United States.
And anyone, again, observing would go, why are these organizations that are supposed to be defending the public health giving this permission to this big pharma cartel for all these fake vaccines when they've not had any trials, at least on the face of it?
But then again, once you realize how this web works, you go deep enough in these drug enforcement agencies and drug defense agencies of the public, they say, and you meet the web.
You go deep enough into big pharma, it won't be that deep in that case, and you hit the web.
And therefore, you've got the web giving permission to the web to put this shite into younger and younger and younger kids with all the consequences that we've seen as a result.
So once you understand how this works, then you get into the politics, which was the point of the question.
And, you know, what you are looking at is a comparatively few people dictating the lives and the direction of the world to what we're told now is 8 billion people.
Locking Into Belief Systems00:04:27
Now, you look at the maths of that and you'd go, that's ridiculous.
That's impossible.
How can a few people control billions?
You know, you're having a laugh.
Oh, oh, quite easily, actually, if you have certain things in place.
And these are those two certain things.
One, you have to get people locked in to belief systems, unquestioned, rigid belief systems.
These can be political belief systems, MAGA or the left.
They can be religious belief systems, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever.
Judaism.
You lock them into belief systems.
Now, what does that do?
Immediately, it builds walls of perception, because you are not going to go out into the infinity of possibility and pursue questions, big questions, when you know that if you go there, you are going to be leaving your belief system behind.
And if it's a religious belief system and you've had indoctrinated into you since you were a kid, that this judgmental God will bring the wrath upon you if you go there, you don't believe in your version of him, then you're going to stay in the box.
And once you've got these belief systems that are rigid and unquestioning, as I've said many times, Jason, over the years, this cult doesn't care what you believe.
It only cares that you believe it rigidly and without question, because then they got you.
So let me ask you something, David.
Yeah, because just very quickly, the next thing connects into that.
So you've got these different belief systems, religious belief systems, political belief systems.
What you then do is you play them off against each other because the essential of a few controlling the many is divide and ruling the many.
And so what you have is this level, this say this cult level, and it comes down into left and right.
And so at the one's left, one's right, and you have people believing one or the other.
I'm a lefty, I'm a MAGA, I'm whatever.
And they are playing you like a stringed instrument because in the end, this is controlling both sides.
And if you therefore look at the direction of travel, ignore the rhetoric, ignore the bloody words, they're easy.
You just move your lips and comes out.
Look at the outcome.
Look at the outcome.
So, what you have, a wonderful example currently.
In America, you have Donald Trump, the right, using the left as the excuse to impose tyranny.
In Britain, you have Keir Starmer of the left using the right to impose tyranny.
And it's the same technique played out by different people.
And if we just realize that we're all the targets, all of us, I don't care if you're a Muslim or a Jew or a Christian or what, or a left or right, this is not about targeting Muslim people or targeting Christian people or targeting left or right.
This is about targeting all of us.
This is a global cult with a global dystopian agenda for humanity through AI that will give them total control even over what we think and how we emotionally react.
Deeper into Traditional Religions00:05:49
And while we're pulling, oh, left, right, oh, it's the left, oh, it's the right, all this stuff going on.
While that's going on, behind that cover, this agenda moves on a pace to completely control the human mind, human perception, and thus human behavior.
And we've got to realize, just take a breath, people, And look at what is affecting all of us and what divide and rule stops us addressing,
which is that there is a global network that's seeking global dystopia by dividing us into warring factions that mean we don't see, well, we don't see the wood for the trees.
We're so focused on the twigs, we don't see the forest.
So, David, let me see.
That's the idea.
That's the idea.
Focus them on the twigs, on the myopia, and then they won't see the forest.
We're after all of them.
So, let me say this.
First of all, I largely agree with everything you just said, especially about the pitting people against each other, the division.
I myself, religiously, I always tell people I am agnostic.
At best, I go, look, I'm 46 years young.
I barely know this much about what's gone on in my lifetime.
Forget about 100 years, 1,000 years, 4,000 years, whatever.
Again, a lot large part, I'm reading other historians' work.
If that synopsis, I don't have the cultural context.
But at the same time, one of my biggest questions, and this is before we get into the AI, and kind of what scares me a little bit about these people having this kind of power technologically over the rest of the planet.
You just mentioned that a lot of these people that are still in charge, they're generational and they have been able to control large populaces.
Just the fact in 2025 that we literally legitimately have rule by bloodline outwardly in places like Saudi Arabia, even in places like England where you can joke on King Charles and act like those people don't have power.
They have plenty of power.
King and queens of the Netherlands, we still have this.
It's still happening.
Why is it that with so many of these quote-unquote secret societies, at least outwardly, you talked about the left and right-handed path, right?
You see that in esoterica, in symbolism.
You see this occult bent constantly.
And even in something like the Bohemian Grove, which essentially started here in the United States in the 1870s, was a bit co-opted.
A guy named Bromley, who was their high priest, I have his autobiography.
I got a bunch of their annals, but he went over, got a lot of the Eastern mysticism, brought the owl over.
They have the cremation of care.
It's clearly an opening ceremony where they're in druidic robes.
They're doing a ritualistic sacrifice of their consciousness before people.
Why is there an occultic bent on these things, you know, as opposed to traditional religions in a sense, I would say?
Well, I mean, if you go deep enough in traditional religions, you hit the same thing.
It depends what level of the religion you're accessing.
My approach, Jason, over the last 36 years has been one of knowing, not least given what I've just said earlier about what we can actually see, knowing that whatever I know or think I know, there's always more to know.
And what that does is it constantly drives you deeper and deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole because you know that whatever you know, there's always more to know.
There was an ancient Greek philosopher, Socrates, who said was the effect of true knowledge is to know, you know, nothing.
And so you never stop.
And what I've seen in the not all of it, but great tracks of the alternative media is it's gone so far and it's focused on the political level of this and the level of Silicon Valley, et cetera, World Health Organization, but it's stopped and it's gone round and round and round like an eddy in the river while the river flows past.
And that river represents all the vastness of knowledge that there's still to know.
And so what I've constantly done is gone deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole by asking the key question: why?
Why?
Keep asking it.
Why?
Well, this is how it works.
Why?
What's behind it?
Why do they do that?
What do they get from that?
And when you talk here about the occult, one of the things that I focus on in part of the roadmap is why these people, these elite, are into Satanism.
Well, paedophilia as well.
Satanism and Low Vibrational Energy00:15:36
And that's connected big time.
But Satanism, let's take that.
And again, why?
In the early 1990s, when I was putting together this global cult and how it works, it seems a long time ago now.
I found when I was researching these major occultists, elitists, players in this, that invariably it was leading to Satanism and paedophilia.
So it's like, why?
And then as the years passed, I started to realize something that made sense of it.
We can't understand what's happening in this reality unless we understand that it's being manipulated from another reality.
And if you look around the ancient world, not okay, you see pantheons of gods.
You've got the Greek pantheon and Zeus and all these others, and you've got the Egyptian pantheon, these pantheons of groups of gods.
But if you do the research, you find that these pantheons of gods existed all over the world.
Many of them still do.
And they are worshipped and were certainly worshipped in the ancient world.
So my next question was: who are these bloody gods that they were worshiping to?
Yes, they used different names because they were different languages and different cultures, but they were actually talking about the same gods.
So what are these gods?
Well, it turns out that they are these manipulators in this other dimension, which the cult is serving.
So then I was looking at how these elitists are into Satanism and human sacrifice, literals human sacrifice, not least of kids.
And then you go, well, hold on a minute.
In the ancient world, they were sacrificing kids, young virgins to the gods, openly, because it was their culture.
So how does this all fit together?
What brings it together is this.
This non-human force operating in another dimension, which penetrates this one, but we can't see it because of reasons I've talked about.
These so-called gods, they're not gods, they're a bunch of prats, they feed off human energy, but they feed off a particular type of human energy, low vibrational human energy, all based around the base emotion of fear.
You know, people talk about the fact that this cult uses fear to manipulate the population.
Absolutely right.
But it's not just to get them into a state of subordination through fear, it's also because of what that fear does.
Now, again, back to mainstream science.
It's known that every time we think and every time we feel emotion and express emotion, we are generating frequencies.
We're generating energy.
And the nature of the frequencies relates to the nature of the emotion, the nature of the thought.
So if you're in a state of joy and happiness and appreciation and love and peace, then you are generating high-frequency frequencies from that.
They're not interested in that, which is why this cult and its masters are not interested in a world of love, of peace, of harmony.
They're not interested in that.
Don't feed them.
They want the low-vibrational energies of fear, anxiety, hatred, regret, recrimination, all these different emotions, that low-vibrational emotions, because they're feeding off them.
And so a war, yes, there are many levels of a war that create things that happen that are beneficial to the cult, not least divide and rule.
But a war at the level I'm talking about is a massive, massive, enormous projector and creator, generator of low-vibrational emotion.
Not just the people fighting the war on all sides, but the people back home wondering if their loved ones are going to come home or not.
It's just an extraordinary explosion of low vibrational emotional energy.
You look at First World War, Second World War.
You look at what's happened in Gaza, for goodness sake, since October the 7th.
I mean, imagine the emotional energy that's been generated there.
And these so-called gods, a bunch of prats, are feeding off it.
Now we start to understand why these elitists are doing these human sacrifice rituals to these gods.
First of all, they know the inner core of the cult.
They know that they're controlled by these gods and they're doing their bidding.
They're terrified of them.
I've talked to people on the inside over the years of this satanic cult network.
They're terrified of these other dimensional entities.
So what happens is they, just as in the ancient world, so now, but in the ancient world, it was part of their culture.
They could do it openly.
Now they have to do it secretly.
They are taking someone who is the sacrifice and they are conducting the ritual.
This is why they're still doing ancient rituals now in the same way.
They conduct the ritual in a way that generates maximum terror in the victim.
Because terror is an enormously powerful, low vibrational energy.
And so they build it up and they build it up and they're building up the terror.
And what then happens is that that terror creates a chemical reaction in the blood that releases adrenaline, very powerful adrenaline.
And when they are drinking the blood, it's horrible, but let's just face what's going on.
When they're drinking the blood in these human sacrifice rituals, it's laced with this adrenaline.
And I've talked to people who've observed this, seen this, and they say these people go absolutely crazy.
It's like a drug to them once they start drinking it.
And here we have the adrenochrome story before our eyes.
And if I'm looking at you and you are in a really emotional state, I can see from your facial expressions and your body language, you're in an emotional state.
What I can't see, because it's outside of visible light, is the energy that emotion is giving off.
Why?
Because it's an astral frequency.
It's going into this astral dimension where these entities are.
And they're overseeing from this astral dimension, this sacrifice.
And they're feeding off the energy of terror that is emitted by the victim.
So when I was looking at these ancient satanic human sacrifice rituals, and they were saying, oh, we're doing it as a gift to the gods.
Again, my question was, why?
What do the gods get out of this?
Well, they get the energy of the victim out of this.
And once you start to grasp that, you know, in the first Matrix movie, Jason, when the Morpheus character held up the battery and said that the Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, he was talking actually in an apparently fictional movie a very profound truth.
They see us as batteries as sources of energy, which they feed off.
And suddenly, so much starts to make sense, including why throughout known human history, this world has always been such a shithole in terms of the way that people experience it.
I mean, I've been around the world many, many times before I was banned from endless countries now, about 31 or more.
But what I saw in Asia, in South America, in Africa, in Central America, and increasingly the West.
But what I saw was that people were not having a bloody great time.
They were trying to survive to the end of another day or the end of another week or the end of the month to pay the rent.
And they were in states of anxiety and trauma as a result of all of this.
Well, that's the vast majority of humanity.
Just think of the energy that that's giving off.
So let me ask you something about that.
Because before we get into the AI, I kind of want to hit more of the esoterica just a little bit.
Well, you just hit on something.
It's kind of like throughout history, there is this eternal struggle of good and evil.
And out of anything that I actually believe in, that's it.
I believe good.
There is inherent good and evil.
Like some of the acts that you just talked about, via, you know, you talked about Satanism.
Whether you believe there's an actual Lucifer or not, these doctrines are extremely self-serving, right?
They take self-empowerment to not only a sociopathic, but psychopathic level when working with others.
Let's be quite frank about it.
Do you think that we can get beyond what we are as a humanity on this planet?
Is there always going to be an eternal struggle of good and evil?
Do both forces have to exist?
Right.
No, a lot of people think that that's the case.
You have to have good and evil and negative and positive.
Well, that's the duality.
That's the duality.
And the duality is the matrix.
The duality is the simulation.
It's not what it's like beyond the simulation.
So if we look at this from this perspective, as I said at the start of our chat, the body is basically a software program.
You know, we think that something that's biological is natural and something that's technological is not natural, is human-made.
Well, that's not how the cult sees it.
They see the biological as a form of technology.
That's what it is to them.
And, you know, how do we know what is natural and what isn't unless we have something that is unimpeachably, unquestioningly natural to compare it with?
But we don't have that.
We have what we think is natural, but is it?
Well, that's not how they see it, I'll tell you.
So you have the biological computer, which is basically we experience this reality through it.
Our consciousness experiences reality through the body.
And the body is the vehicle that interacts with this matrix, with this simulation.
And there's a body program running through it, which is added to by education and it's added to by the media and all that stuff.
But it's basically a body program.
It's a perceptual program.
It's a perception program.
Now, if you do not open your mind to the true you, the true I, consciousness, that body program is going to run your life.
You're going to think that you're having thoughts and you're making choices.
You're going to think that you're making emotional reactions.
And you're going to think that's me.
That's how I am.
No, it's how the program is.
And what this cult is terrified of is losing that control.
And it loses it when we start to self-identify with a completely different state of I.
And that is consciousness.
So instead of, you know, you meet someone and you say, hello, nice to meet you.
Who are you?
And they'll give you probably their place of birth, their job, their location, all these different labels of human.
They won't say, oh, I'm an expression of infinite awareness.
Nice to meet you.
They don't say that because they don't identify like that.
And that's all part of this process of keeping people's attention and sense of identity in the program.
Now, as you start to open your mind to tap in to these more expanded levels of consciousness, first of all, this simulation, this cult, you know, is terrified of that.
But secondly, you start to see things in a different way.
It's called awakening.
You know, people say, oh, yeah, I woke up or I'm awakening.
Well, what does that mean?
What it means is you are starting to expand your awareness out of this body program into levels of awareness that give you a much greater panorama of perception of what the hell is going on and where you are.
Expanding Awareness00:04:58
And the point I made earlier, you can go so far and you can say, ah, this politics, it's all a sham.
Oh, yeah, the media is owned by the same people as so-and-so, and it's the globalists, right?
And you stop.
Now, what you've gone from is a little prison into a slightly bigger one that sees a bit more and you stop.
And that's where most of the alternative media is, I have to say.
But if you let it go and you keep expanding your awareness by asking this question, why?
Why?
Why do they do that?
To what end is this being done?
You then start to expand and expand.
And then suddenly the whole bloody panorama opens up.
Oh, my God.
So that's what's going on.
Now, what they want to do is to stop people going through that process.
And here is where we come to the real reason for AI-human fusion.
It's to attach the human brain body to artificial intelligence.
So artificial intelligence becomes the human mind and perceptual processes.
So it will never consider maybe there's more to me than just the body.
Maybe I'm identifying with the wrong level of self.
Maybe I'm actually consciousness.
They don't want that.
And the AI will never think that.
Basically what AI human fusion is about is absolutely locking people in to the body program and not expanding beyond it so that we start to see what's going on.
It's absolutely the prison that this evil has been working towards all along.
So when you start to expand your awareness, I mean, seriously expand it, your behavior changes.
You see that all this fighting that's going on and all this cussing and battling for dominance and control, it's all nonsense.
I mean, my philosophy, as I think you said in the opening, is simple.
Believe what you like, but just don't seek to force what you believe on everyone else.
Let them make their own decisions and make their own choices.
But fortunately, we don't only have these belief systems, we seek to impose our belief system on everyone else.
And that's when the divide and rule comes along.
But you see, up to this point, Because if you want to control billions and there are comparatively few of you, which is what the situation is, then you have to get the billions at war with themselves.
And you have to get them in a situation where they're so busy fighting each other, they're not looking up and seeing how you're controlling everybody, including those they're fighting.
And therefore, you are seeking to divide people all the time and into these belief systems.
Once you start expanding your awareness, you start to basically rise above it and you're looking at it and you think it's all nonsense.
What are you fighting him for?
Why are you seeking to dominate this person for?
Why can't you just have your own belief system and get on with your life?
Why do you have to impose it on everyone else?
And it's this level of the divide and rule that creates the divide and rule in many ways.
People want to be a Muslim, they'll be a Muslim.
If you want to impose it on me, I have a problem with that, mate.
Big time.
Same with any other religion or any other belief system.
And this is what they are seeking to do: to shut out this expansion of awareness, which more and more people are having, by the way, where they're starting to see the world in a different way, to stop that happening by connecting to AI, where AI becomes the human mind.
Tesla's Bio-Nano Vision00:04:06
And you mentioned earlier, Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, he said some years ago, he gave us a year.
He said by 2030, humans will be connected to artificial intelligence.
And once that's happened, artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking is negligible, which he means deleted.
And by the way, David, he also says at that point that we'll basically have billions of bio-nanotech in our bodies that nobody signed up for that will be able to turn off our biological reality and enforce another.
I want to dive down that.
Exactly.
Can I just bring something in there very, very quickly?
Because this is something that I write about at some length in the roadmap, and I've been going on about it for a long, long time since COVID came about and the vaccine came about.
One of the things I've been doing since since the vaccines was played out, in fact, before, because you could see where it was going, is keeping in touch with various scientists around the world that are focusing through electron microscopes and all these other techniques they use on what's happening in the blood of the fake vaccinated and increasingly even the non fake vaccinated.
and how these nano systems are self-replicating or building systems in the body.
And again, the question is: why?
What's that all about?
This is why they absolutely did everything they could.
So let me say this about that, David, really quickly, because I know we are on YouTube, and I want to be very careful here.
All right.
Okay.
Because I've interviewed those same people, the dark microscopy people.
I've watched those same videos.
What I can say is this, okay?
There is no doubt that what they outwardly used, and Lord knows, because there were a plethora of these things, was bio-nanotechnology, 1,000%.
That bionano technology, again, outwardly, was developed by the Defense Department, the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, and their mRNA collaboration program when they partnered with Moderna with an initial 25 million, but then integrated that into Barda, Gavi, Bill and Melinda Gates.
There were several other institutes.
They're still up on there.
So, what I've said from the outset, as soon as they started introducing this technology, and by the way, in their memo, and I, you know, I can't help it.
I'm going to have to bring it right up in front of everybody.
I mean, this is still the power of searching the internet because anybody can do this.
You could just type in Moderna mRNA partnership and DARPA.
And it's part of the Adept and Protect program.
Here's the strategic collaborators right here for everybody.
And here's the initial press release.
It's right here.
It tells you it is a therapeutic.
It is bio-nanotech.
It's all part of, again, that Adept and Protect.
So a military program.
Okay.
Elon Musk, who we've talked about on the peripheral, who sat there and said he got injured from it, printed them up because Tesla is not a car company.
Tesla is a government-subsidized military-industrial complex company that sold you on EVs and was subsidized for that, but is also building humanoid robots, transhumanism.
And they partnered with Curvac, where in that time period, he increased his wealth 600%.
So he made, everybody's worried about Bill Gates and rightfully so.
Technologically Generated EM Field00:08:49
Made more money than Gates, made more money than Sergey Brin of Google, made more money than Warren Buffett, sat there in front of the bio-nano factories with the masks, told you it was the best thing since breakfast.
So no matter what else these things are doing, and excuse me if I think it might be nefarious, there is no doubt that it is bio-nanotechnology and therefore at least partially on that road to transhumanism that you're talking about that clearly they're trying to accelerate.
And when you talk about a bit further then, because when they were building these, as these self-replicating nanotechs from the jab of building in the body, again, the question again, why?
Why?
To what end?
And what I quote a guy, a Chinese guy in the roadmap, where he's describing, this is some years ago now.
He's describing how the Chinese are manipulating people's perceptions through the brain through electromagnetic fields and directly through electromagnetic fields.
And they're getting them to take on the thoughts that are being passed into them.
Because we are an electromagnetic field as well.
And if you can access that field through another electromagnetic field, technologically generated, you can access the mind and therefore access the perception.
But how much more powerful would it be if you were passing on perceptions through an electromagnetic field, but there was something in the body that was actually there to receive and decode that field, that information.
Be far more powerful.
And this is the way I see it.
And I lay it out in the book.
They are creating a technologically generated electromagnetic field to ultimately encompass the entire planet.
It's like a simulation within a simulation, if you like.
So we've gone through all the Gs in the towers.
We're now at 5G.
Trump has just eulogized and said he wants to advance as fast as possible, 6G, which will be a real pivotal change.
7G is also in the background as well.
And they're powering these electromagnetic fields out from these towers.
Now, okay, you can douse a town or a city through towers, but you can't create an electromagnetic field to encompass the planet.
To do that, you have to do it from low-orbit satellites, which just so happens to be what Elon Musk and SpaceX are putting out there.
And let me stop you right here, just quickly, because this is something we cover all over the place.
First and foremost, Starlink, again, he's not the head of all these companies.
He's the smoker.
But Starlink gets launched by SpaceX, subsidiary of NASA.
Again, wouldn't exist without our military-industrial complex.
Get with it.
On those used to be the Mandrake satellites via DARPA's blackjack program.
Now, make no mistake about it.
The commercial version is Starlink, and it was utilized heavily in the Ukraine-Russia war, not only for communications, but directly linking into the Sidewinder and Ghost Drones.
Okay.
Now, they've kind of put the DARPA Blackjack program to the side, but Musk got the contract for the new defense satellite system that has now been identified as Starshield.
Starshield, yes, absolutely.
So, Starshield is essentially, and there's a Transformers conference I'd encourage you to go watch on C-SPAN.
It's got the, first of all, the most powerful transgender/slash/transhumanist person, the acolyte occurs, well, Martin Rothblatt that heads it.
But then it's got a bunch of NASA people.
And in this, they are talking about this very thing, David, creating the low Earth orbit kind of cube satellite network that they call the new information skin of the planet.
Please continue.
Yep.
That's exactly what's going on.
And as they're building this electromagnetic field, technologically generated, the idea is it becomes the human hive mind, where they can control the perceptions of the freaking humanity throughout the world.
Because the frequencies that will be passed through this electromagnetic field, information, perception, designed to be picked up by this self-replicating nanotechnology in the body.
And that is Ray Kurzweil talked about humans will be connected to AI through the cloud.
Well, this is the bloody cloud he's talking about.
And again, you go back to this cult and the inner circle of this cult.
They know most of the people, even in the cult secret societies, that won't be fully aware of this because they've got families as well.
But that inner inner core knows exactly what's going on.
Elon Musk will know exactly what's going on.
And you see, I was tracking him years before he bought Twitter X, years before.
So when he bought TwitterX, he was allowed to buy Twitter X.
I knew immediately it was a scam.
The only question was, what the form will this scam take?
Well, first of all, there were people in the alternative media.
Clearly, yourself has continued to do it.
But there were many people that were connecting Musk to this transhumanist agenda that we're describing.
Full force.
Full force.
Twitter X and started letting a few people back on.
Suddenly, it was like, oh, no, he's one of us now.
And all that stuff stopped among great numbers of people because he's one of us now.
Now, you look at TwitterX today.
This is the man who said years ago, because he was positioning himself strategically as the AI skeptic that AI could be the end of humanity.
Well, look at TwitterX today.
I'm sick of it in my kind of X feed.
A constant bombardment from Musk and his sycophants, but Musk massively, selling AI and selling AI Fusion and selling Grok and selling the agenda in general.
It's extraordinary.
And of course, he's got this massive platform now and he's turned it into a propaganda arm for the cult.
That's what he's done.
So let's talk about Musk and also just quickly with Kurzweil, because there is kind of a conflict here, because like you were just talking about, with Musk buying X, clearly military industrial complex, acting as the free speech platform.
But again, if you look at even programs like signature reduction here in the United States, our military industrial complex is in all these major companies, Google, X, you name it, Facebook, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin.
They're all Palantir.
They're all in there at some level.
Okay.
Right now, I have more freedom of speech and more reach on YouTube, which has clearly censored me in the past.
I went through five and a half years of no monetization, being kicked off constantly, having to fight them on the Twitter slash X platform with the voice of the people just to get the channel back.
Now, just for me to post this video, right, on X afterwards, I've got to pay $80 a year.
It's no lot.
Talk about not freedom of reach or freedom of speech.
And then the algorithm clearly shows that I have nowhere near the audience that I should with the amount of followers.
Advancing To Live Forever00:10:08
I'm sure you see the same exact thing, right?
Exactly the same.
Exactly the same thing.
But they're both arms of the military industrial complex.
You know, one of the things I didn't mention about Google is that Kurzwiles worked for them for years, close to two decades at this point.
And interestingly enough, David, they have what's known as, you know, we talked about transhumanism a bit, and that's really where I think a lot of this is going to go.
They've got an immortality division.
It's called Calico.
And it's not just immortality.
They want to de-age you.
Here it is.
Calico Labs, for anybody who wants to check it out.
And if you think that this technology is going to allow you, I, your parents, your wife, your kids to biologically live forever, and that this isn't for the special few.
Well, you're a little special in the head because since when has this type of medical technology been widely available to the public and empowered humanity?
You know, I know I'm a little bit younger than you, but when I was a kid, all they kept hammering home to me in grade school, man, you're going to live to 100 plus.
We're going to cure cancer.
Everything's going to be great.
We're on the technological move.
And then you look, and we're all going to have more money.
It's just like in the 50s when robotics came in, right?
They said everybody was going to work less.
You were going to play the piano.
What happened?
People have two or three jobs.
They have a mortgage.
They don't own their homes.
Standard of living's declined.
Also, life expectancy has declined.
When you see this outward push for transhumanism, like you said, only the inner inner circle really understands that.
What I see are people like Musk pushing us into not just the internet of things, but the internet of bodies far beyond the wearables, but with devices, but eventually bio-nanotech, and then culling that population into believing that they can live virtually in the metaverse that's been created by Zuckernuts or whoever else.
Meanwhile, you have a class of people that's experimenting on us and trying to biologically live forever.
I don't know that they ever will, but that's really a post-human future because we're not meant to be immortal.
I would also argue that we're not meant to know everything.
That's when we would become godlike, right?
And we're not that.
We're something else.
What are your thoughts on that, David?
Well, we do live forever because in the sense of consciousness, but we don't live forever in the sense of the body, quite demonstrably.
And that's what they're trying to do.
They're trying to advance the state of the body to live for longer.
But in terms of Elon Musk, he is very much a frontman, big time frontman for this cult.
And he is pushing this transhuman agenda massively through X, et cetera.
He's not your friend.
He is absolutely the opposite of that.
And the fact that he's teamed up with Trump is absolutely powerful the course.
But you mentioned something very interesting about uploading to cyberspace.
You know, it's longer term, but the agenda is to dispose of the human body altogether and just upload consciousness, entrapped consciousness into cyberspace.
That's the idea.
And you've got the whole meta thing is a kind of stepping stone to that.
But that's what they plan to do ultimately because they are completely mad, mate.
You know, they're psychopaths.
But hold on, David, don't you think that that's for the majority?
Like they know that they're euthanizing the population.
They're trying to make it hip and slick and like even Kurzweil back in the day when he in 99, when he wrote the singularity and we came with that term.
I have a lecture from him.
Put it out there somewhere.
Yeah.
I have a lecture from him on that book tour.
And just for context on what was consumer available, Kurzweil had just released the Dragon software, which was the first time that Windows would be able to dictate from your mouth on the screen without you typing.
It was bad, but it was huge at the time, right?
He admitted then that whatever these non-carbon, I want to make that really clear.
He always refers non-carbon entities that we create aren't actually going to be him, right?
They're going to be a separate entity.
Now, he swerved on that quite a bit.
You know, Rogan challenged, to Rogan's credit, challenged him on that in the last conversation.
But ultimately, he said, well, that doesn't really matter if it's a cheap replication.
He doesn't call it cheap, but a replication nonetheless, as long as it's close enough.
I would argue it does matter, like you would, that inherently we are something different as humanity, as consciousness, right?
And they're trying to trick the majority of us to get us comfortable in these kind of digital landscapes that become ever more convincing, ever more engrossing, ever more comfortable, and would be with hardware in your brain.
And again, if you think that Neuralink is the first, again, NASA DARPA been doing it for decades, been doing it for decades.
So that's the rub, right?
I think at the top, they know they're not going to be able to upload their consciousness.
And that's why they're frantically trying this other route to quote-unquote biologically live forever.
I mean, if you look at elites throughout history, we've had these stories, right?
The fountain of youth, the tree of life, this quest for immortality that these madmen at the top always seem to want.
And to me, this seems to be an extension of it.
Yeah, but, you know, I would say again, we can't understand what's going on in this reality, human reality, without understanding that it's being controlled and manipulated from this other dimension of reality.
It's very close to this one, but beyond our senses, ability to see it.
Because everything that happens in the human reality is to benefit them.
It's not even to benefit the cult.
I mean, you know, they can become extremely rich and all that stuff, but they're still gophers compared with that.
So to really understand why things are done here, we have to understand how that benefits them.
So let me ask you something, David, because I think that this is kind of an interesting question.
It goes a little bit off course, but not really.
You know, you have a chapter in this called The Archons, right?
We actually read some of it on air.
And that's one of the things.
Listen, again, I stick to what I can prove.
You talk about these entities and all that.
You know, at the time when I first came into this and we're talking about like 9-11 Sphere, and I still believed we could put people in jail.
We could get our constitutional republic back, you know, and I was sticking a lot more to the geopolitics, although he's always interested in the esoterica, the unknown phenomenon, things like UFO, all those things of that nature.
But despite me not liking that and despite a lot of people goofing on it, it has become a huge part of popular culture.
Now, number one, you have an innumerable amount of people talking about it online, right?
You see people now talking about these things almost casually on some of the biggest podcasts all the time.
But even beyond that, now you can be in a sports press conference and you could ask somebody who's a celebrity or a star something, and they'll point to somebody else and they'll go, he's a freaking lizard, mate.
And it's hit the point of pop culture where that person doesn't necessarily believe it.
But I remember even at the tail end of Tucker on Fox, he had, you know, a whole segment where he goes, and to our lizard overlords, and he had him in the suit and the lizard thing.
David, it's permeated pop culture to the point where now when somebody looks at an individual who is corrupt, who is terrible, they just call them a lizard.
How does that feel, that transition?
Because you've lived it, my friend.
I mean, you've lived from the point where people dismissed it out of hand to large followings to somewhere in the middle now where it's literally permeated pop culture.
And I think allows people to come to a lot of your information.
But how do you feel about it?
Well, I think it's good that it's talked about in whatever sense it's talked about, at least it's being talked about.
And I do think that as more and more people kind of expand their awareness in the way that I've talked about, they start to tap in to knowledge, awareness of the bigger picture.
And they may not immediately sort of talk about it in detailed terms, but it's no longer crazy to them as it was before.
And, you know, what I've done is in the early 1990s, when I had my big head explosion in 1990, 91 and suddenly saw the world in a completely different way, I started in the first few years focusing on how this world is controlled and to what end and who by.
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And it was about this cult and this cult network.
That was the early 1990s.
And then I asked the question, well, okay, why?
How long has this been going on?
And when you start to chart it back, you get comfortably into the ancient world.
And you've had people who've been born, they've played a part in advancing this agenda, more and more human control, more and more centralization of power to where we are now.
And then they've died and other people have come in and they've taken it on.
And you think, well, there has to be some coordinating force that spans this period that's actually orchestrating all this.
And that's when, through the synchronicity of my life, I started coming across people from about 1995, 96, who were telling me they'd seen people who looked human, who turned into a reptilian state and then went back again.
And of course, what you do, if you're interested in the truth, is you don't say, oh, it's true then, there's lizards run the world.
But what you don't do also is say, I'm going to dismiss that.
That's ridiculous.
You'll say, hold on.
And I work on the saucepan on the back burner principle.
If something comes into my life that is kind of far out, then I'll put it on the back burner and I'll let it simmer and I'll see what else comes.
And what happened over the years that followed 95-96 is that more and more information was coming to me synchronistically in different parts of the world.
All these different people who are totally unconnected to each other were talking about the same experience.
That eventually you reach a point where, I mean, you'll have come across this in the way you research, it crosses a line.
You say, well, I've had enough support for this now.
I think this is real.
And it's gone on like that.
And what it seems is that this non-human force, while it's not all reptilian, it's certainly nothing like all reptilian, that reptilian level does seem to have a real powerful, pivotal position in this hierarchy that is overseeing the global cult and how it's manipulating human society on its behalf.
And, you know, this thing about shape-shifting, I said much earlier about one of the greatest forms of mind control is suppressing the sense of the possible.
And this is why suppressing the nature of reality is pivotal.
It's absolutely essential to human control.
You have to stop them knowing what you know.
So if you said to someone, and clearly this has been my experience, that shape-shifting is real, they'd obviously say to you, understandably, that's ridiculous.
That's impossible.
You can't go from a solid body to another solid body.
Crazy.
Do you know something?
No, you can't.
But it's not solidity we're talking about.
We're talking about holographic reality, illusory physicality, which is what quantum physics has long shown to be the case at the quantum level of reality.
So what I am sitting here is a field of information.
That's what I am.
And as you are seeing me, as you are observing me, your brain, in the way that I talked about earlier, is decoding this information field into what you see in apparent physicality.
And a lot of these bloodlines that you mention, which, yes, there are still obvious ones around, like, you know, the royal family of Britain and all these other people.
But overwhelmingly, what happened at the time when humanity started to rebel against control and dictatorship by royal bloodline is that these cult bloodlines went into the dark suit professions, into corporations, into politics, etc.
And they've operated at that level.
And it's still controlling, but people have a perception, oh, no, we're in charge because we have a vote every four or five years, when actually it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government still gets in, as they used to say.
So these particular bloodlines, these human reptilian bloodlines, which I say are the royal families, but many of the other dark suit professions now, they have dual information fields.
They have a human field and they have a non-human field, often reptilian, not always, but often.
And what happens is you are observing someone and you're observing their human field.
So they look human to you.
And then there's a shift, not a physical shift, a shift in information field.
And now suddenly you are now decoding that field.
And to you, the observer, someone has just gone from a solid human to a solid non-human.
And you're thinking, what the hell's just happened?
But it's just been an information shift.
It's like you're decoding one field, then you're decoding the other.
And it's perfectly explainable.
And this is why the whole phenomenon of shape-shifting goes right the way back through human history.
And when I heard one or two people tell me this, okay, well, that's interesting.
And then three or four, and then 50, and then 60, and then hundreds over the years.
And you go, hold on, there's something in this.
And then you start to realize how it works, because you initially go, how do you go from a solid body to a solid body?
But then you realize that that's not what's happening.
It's all about the brain decoding information fields.
Decoding the matrix into what we appear to be experiencing.
And all what I'm saying is we're decoding different fields of information into this human, non-human form, which appears as shapeshifting.
Well, let me just say this.
Even with our limited observational abilities as human beings, we do have a being that's able to shapeshift and chameleon very well in the octopus.
I was just watching something on them the other day.
I mean, in rapid fashion, they're able to change their texture, their physical appearance, adapt very much.
And again, that's just what we're able to observe.
So, again, the possibilities are out there.
And I discourage people for closing their mind to those possibilities.
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Now, you go through a plethora of this information.
You talked about religion earlier.
You've got full chapters on organized religion.
And this is the roadmap.
Again and again, you've hit on the control of the quote-unquote massives.
And you've kind of talked not only about globalism, but collectivism and the means to control.
How do people break free of that?
Because, you know, I am, or I like to think I am.
You know, I'm a big fan of G. Edward Griffin, rugged individualism.
That doesn't mean that, you know, I don't value my family and those around me or that I won't share with them and that we can't work together.
You know, I think for instance, you know, I help raise my nieces.
One of the biggest things for me is getting them in sports, not just for the competition angle, but to work with others, right?
To get involved, to find out how things work.
There's more than just, again, that education system that's very rigid.
So when you talk about the roadmap, what is the true roadmap, not just for humanity to become free?
Because that is a big collective, David, and it's kind of a big ask.
You've seen how this agenda pushes forward.
But at the same time, I always tell people: ignorance is not bliss and information truly is power.
Because when you have a COVID-19 44 breakoff, you want to be able to navigate that.
You want to be able to protect your loved ones.
You want to make sure that you're fighting as hard as possible.
So is this also a roadmap for people individually to break free and try to not only help themselves, but those around them?
Well, yes, it is.
And the reason I wrote the roadmap is because I was seeing people waking up, if you like, to different aspects of the conspiracy.
They woke up to this level or that level, or they saw this or they saw that.
And what I wanted to do was produce a book that showed how all these different things that people are individually waking up to in their own lives actually all connect.
And it's a vast tapestry, a vast web.
And the great thing is that the more you see the greater and greater totality and scale of the control, that's where the answers lie.
You know, if you only see the political level, then what's the answer?
Well, you vote for party A, or that's not very good.
So I'm going to vote for party B.
Oh, that's not very good.
Oh, so how do I get rid of party B?
Well, you have to go and vote for party A again.
And, you know, you're going round and round in circles, exactly as you're meant to do.
But when you see the big panorama and the nature of reality and the nature of self-consciousness, eternal infinite consciousness, then you start to see the answers.
But In the points that we've been talking about, you know, I've said many times, I'm not interested in solutions because solutions invariably lead to more problems in search of more solutions.
It goes round and round and round again.
What I'm interested in is what is the cause of the problem we want to eliminate.
And if you remove the cause, the problem must be deleted.
It must disappear because the cause is gone.
Now, the cause is that we have been manipulated into rigid, unyielding, unquestioning belief systems, religious, political, whatever, cultural.
And we're fighting each other on the basis of those belief systems.
And if that goes on, they will get what they want because humanity will be so busy fighting itself that by the time it realizes that they're all enslaved, it will be too bloody late.
And AI will be in place.
The AI-human fusion will be in place.
If we could just stop, okay, and say, look, I don't agree with what you believe, but you have every right to believe it.
As long as you don't seek to impose it on anyone else, I'm fine with that.
But is it worth having a look at that level of manipulation, which the fighting is obscuring, and see that actually they have us all in their gunsights?
Wouldn't it be a great idea to just put down the fault lines of division and look at what is impacting ever more obviously on us all?
And, you know, I'm seeing all these soap operas going on, sometimes in the alternative media and in the media in general.
And they're all diversions.
You know, I'm not saying that certain things shouldn't be investigated.
They should.
But it doesn't matter what conclusions you come to over, for instance, who killed Charlie Kirk, should investigate it.
Absolutely.
I've got endless questions about it.
But it doesn't matter if you eventually at some point conclude, oh, this is who did it.
When the real conspiracy, the totality of conspiracy, human-AI fusion, is going on apace and is in place.
If we are going to bring an end to this, we have to see the mathematics of it.
Billions of people cannot be enslaved by a handful.
It's not possible unless the billions give their power to the few and allow their perceptions to be diverted from what's really happening.
Because this is the point.
Fascists and communists and tyrants never impose fascism, communism, and tyranny.
There's never enough of them.
They are imposed by the population acquiescing to the fascists, the communists, and the tyrants.
If the population in those numbers said, we're not doing it, we're not cooperating with you, then it will be over.
I mean, none of these people have any power.
If someone comes out of a political building and said, we've had a discussion and this is what we're going to do.
If enough people say, we're not doing it, mate, we ain't doing that.
No way.
We're not doing that.
They have no power.
The power that's used to control us is the power we give to those that use it and recycle it back to control us.
And the reason that it's possible to do that is because there are three types of people in the world, basically.
There are those that just believe what authority says without question, because authority knows best.
There's number two group that says, I really don't want to do what authority is telling me, but I fear the consequences of not doing it.
Now, they were the two groups that allowed the COVID hoax to be played by acquiescing to it.
And they are the groups, the mentalities that have been responsible for every tyranny in history, because, like I say, there's never enough tyrants without the acquiescence of the population, either through unquestioning obedience or fear of not obeying.
And that leaves number three.
And fortunately, that number has expanded massively.
I mean, when I started out in 1990, you couldn't fill a phone booth with interest in this stuff, but look at it now.
So that group says, I can see what you're doing.
I can see why you want me to do what you were telling me to do.
And I ain't doing it.
I ain't cooperating with you.
And if we only realized the power, I mean, during COVID, there were people that went out protesting about the restrictions against the restrictions in terms of breaking the restrictions.
And the police moved in and just arrested them.
No problem.
By the end of the COVID period, I was walking through the streets of London with 100,000 or more people.
That's how the numbers had grown by then, protesting about the restrictions and refusing to obey the restrictions.
And the police were down the side of the roads watching us walk past because they had no way they could do anything.
There was just too many people.
And that is such a microcosm of, you know, what's the solution?
Well, we are.
Let's stop fighting each other.
Let's stop seeking to impose our beliefs on other people.
And let's focus on that which is affecting us all and more than anything, affecting our kids and grandkids to come.
And then we'll see where the power has been all along.
Because I said earlier, Jason, that this is all about perception.
It's about controlling perception because from perception comes behavior.
But it's a mind trick.
The mind trick is to trick us into believing that a few called authority have power over everyone else.
They don't.
It's a trick.
And that's why they need divide and rule.
And that's why they need unyielding, unquestioning belief systems.
And if we want to remove the cause of the problem and thus create the kind of world we like, then the cause of the problem is blatantly bloody obvious.
And it's not acquiescing to authority anymore.
It certainly is not.
The book is the roadmap: escaping the maze of madness.
And by the way, he's got a great website called iconic.com, where you not only get David but his son Gareth and others.
I love talking to your son as well.
You raised another brilliant mind.
You should be very, very proud.
What would you like to leave the audience with, David?
Well, the thought that if someone is seeking to control you by hijacking your perception, then they're not telling you everything there is to know by definition.
And therefore, instead of accepting off-the-peg belief systems from authority, whatever form that authority may take, religious authority, political authority, whatever start on the basis of A, authority lies to you because that's its job, but also that they're telling you this and they're telling you to believe this.
Who do you think that's for?
Is that to benefit you or is to benefit them?
It's to benefit them, of course.
And beyond the walls of what they're telling you to believe is infinity of knowledge, awareness, insight, it's just infinity.
And we, in our tiny little band of frequency, we call human, and even the smaller, smaller band we call visible light are locked in and trapped in a perceptual prison.
And the perceptual prison depends on our minds being closed to anything outside of the prison.
Another way of removing the problem is to smash down the walls of the prison.
And then you'll start to see what there is to know and how little you've been allowed to know thus far.
David Ike, a pleasure as always.
You know, I consider it a privilege to be able to talk to you now for man, the better part of almost 20 years.
I think the first time I interviewed you back in 2009, maybe 10 at the latest, maybe even 2008.
I love what you do.
Again, I can't thank you enough for remaining consistent and remaining anti-war and remaining beyond the partisan politics and the minutiae that I think people do get drawn into, especially because we are at a tipping point for humanity.
This AI thing is very real.
The bio-nanotech is very real.
The automation, the robotics, the eugenics aspect of this very, very real.
So, once again, sir, thank you so much.
And I want to thank my audience for joining me.
Without you guys, I would not be able to do this $5, $10, $15.