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Hey, everybody, Jason Burmes here, and I am very happy to announce that I am going to be hosting an independent media alliance panel on Epstein.
We're hoping that some more people are going to join.
That's always been really what we strive for with this.
And of course, it will be posted via IMA and other platforms.
Let's just get right into it.
We got two gentlemen right here out of the gates, Ryan Christian and Steve from Sloan Newsday.
You also know Ryan from The Last American Vagabond.
Guys, I want to start out kind of talking about not just the Epstein case, but the media fervor around the case and the obvious disinformation with the biggest thing being about the case is a list that is non-existent, the quote-unquote client list.
And every time I hear the client list in any of these debates that I get on, whether it be with Mario Nafal or anywhere else, and I hear that, I just know that that person really has no idea about this case.
So first of all, introduce yourselves, let everybody know where they can find your stuff, and then just give me an overall viewpoint of what you think right now is the most important thing about the Epstein case and the largest misconception.
And Ryan, we'll start with you.
You're muted, sir.
Never gets old.
Ryan Christian T Lav.
The thing that I think is most interesting, as you said, most, what word you use, but important is kind of the sense like what is most important in all of this right now.
Obviously, there's a lot of moving parts to what is important around the Epstein case or the really big story around just Epstein being one part of what that was or even the larger aspects of what Epstein was involved in.
Like there's many moving parts.
But right in this moment, it's what it's doing to the false binary.
That's what I think is so wildly important and so immediately in everyone's face that it is completely fracturing, or rather, I would even say like the final kind of death row is like the final nail in the coffin of the kind of losing the power that's being lost over the influence of the narrative from the corporate mainstream alternative media like elements.
And it is very interesting to see.
I mean, I was just saying to somebody, I think it was Morgan Freeman.
Morgan Freeman, everyone in the world knows Morgan.
He's posting pictures of Donald Trump and saying that he's a, you know, with Epstein and saying, I'm going to post this.
And I'm just going, wow, man, like this has reached the highest level, like beyond mainstream.
That doesn't mean it's true necessarily.
We can get into, I think we all agree that there's far more truth to what's going on than people want to believe inside the partisan field, but it just has completely broken what we're used to.
It really has changed the way this is working.
And more than ever, I'm seeing conservatives who are just like, this is a line too far.
You know, because my opinion, as we talked before, I'm very much of the mind that the majority of the MAGA movement, not the influencers, which are Teamswork Politics, but the actual MAGA movement are people with good intentions that want the best for this country.
They've been played, I think, and snowed on what they were told was going to happen.
I think they are the ones that are like, this is too much.
You built this on the Epstein idea.
Now you're calling us weaklings and cowards for going after what you say.
It is wild and important, I think.
But what I think is being, what was the second part?
What's being missed?
Is that what you asked?
Yeah.
What do you think the biggest misconception of this case that's going around in any circle and even in, because I think you're right, Ryan.
I mean, that's one of the reasons that I've been harping on this.
Number one, this really does expose that predator class network.
And I'm sure we'll get into, you know, the different mechanisms of it.
But there is just a ton.
You know, for instance, I heard all these things about, you know, Diddy and Epstein being the same exact thing.
And I didn't see that at all.
You know, I'm not saying that there weren't crossover elements, but it seemed like the media was also trying to get on board.
And yes, the influencer class was also trying to get on board.
But that's a microcosm to me for the massive misconceptions on this case.
Just on the Diddy thing, that's interesting.
I definitely, I'm not sure where to place that just yet.
I think that it could be like another element developing in that direction of an Epstein.
It's hard to say, but I'm with you.
I don't think it's their different categories, at least just because of the amount of the influence Epstein was able to build and how much that was there.
But in misconceptions, there's so many different points.
I think one of the largest ones right now is that Donald Trump being a part of this or not, you know, like it's just such a what many of the team, the leading influencers in this conversation are just like the same old thing because Trump put it out too.
You know, if I was on the list, why wouldn't they have released it?
And it's like, you know, there's like a hundred different obvious things you could say that would fit that why, even though they make it seem like there's just nothing that could explain it.
The obvious being because they're probably all on that list or because they're all probably the same team and they're not really fighting each other.
There's so many obvious points to make there.
I think that misconception is the biggest thing right now, at least within the people that still want to believe in Trump, that it is, that he's somehow not a part of this, even though everything so far has shown us that.
But then the question is how many people breaking away from that in that conservative circle who would support and maybe still do anyway, don't think that and now think maybe he is on the list and maybe there's a reason for it.
That's one of them.
But I think on top of that, I think it's the one you already kind of hinted at.
Or I think maybe I said something.
I forget who said it now.
I've had a lot of talks about this recently.
The point about the bit, what else is going on?
Because it seems like they're really trying to couch this as, you know, he's a pedophile sex trafficker, which is enough, which is crazy.
They're horrible people.
But as you know, and you've talked about, that may be the smallest part of what this really was.
And really the idea of the blackmail network, like let's put it like this, that the pedophilia, the sex trafficking was just a means to an end to influence, to cover up, to control narratives, to get politicians to do what they want.
And then the larger transhumanism, technocracy overlaps, that is being kind of boxed out of the conversation.
And so as usual with the partisan field, you get the, you know, they already know what we see.
And so they throw you the bone of what you're already seeing in hopes that stops the conversation.
I think that's the largest part.
You know, I'd have to agree with a lot of that, but I want to go to Steve.
And again, Steve, let everybody know where they can find your stuff and what's your overall take right now on what's going on via this case.
And what do you think the largest misconception about this case is?
So, and thanks for hosting this, Jay.
It's always good to see you and hang out with you.
Yeah, you can find everything over at AMWakeUpshow.com.
We're putting content out seven days a week, usually multiple times a day, always good stuff going on, bunch of different shows that get put out through the channels with various hosts and opinions and backgrounds and all that kind of stuff.
So get at it if you haven't.
And the amount of distractionary nonsense around Epstein in general, and then the way that partisan media has picked and chosen which bits of it they're going to cover, where the overlap is, that kind of stuff.
The Trump Administration Phenomenon00:07:16
I think all of that is a little bit lesser noise to the phenomenon that the Trump administration, the Trump DOJ, had to make a choice with how much political capital they were willing to burn on a non-release of information.
And I think that it speaks to kind of, you know, dovetail it back around with the larger transhumanism conversation and, you know, techno-bro, broligarchy takeover of DC.
It's allowing for so much more of that infrastructure to be put in place while nobody still has any answers as to what really went on at Zoro Ranch, while nobody still really has any answers about the downtown Paris apartment that Epstein owned.
And so there's all these things that have been, in my opinion, deliberately removed from the conversation to make it more about what's salacious, who's on a list, whose fault it is, that kind of thing, when a much more dangerous infrastructure and a much more permanent one, in my opinion, than what you could get off of any individual leverage or blackmails being installed currently with the technocratic takeover.
So one of the things I want to kind of focus on is the phenomenon of the Trump administration and kind of this belief that we were going to get the Epstein files, right?
Because number one, you know, when the Fox News people on the run up to this election asked him about RFK, JFK, MLK, I was skeptical.
When they followed it up with 9-11, after he said yes to that, and he said yes to 9-11, as I've spoken about before, yeah, I voted for the guy, but I would have been knocking on doors for the guy if I really believed we were getting the 9-11 files.
But then in the third instance, when Epstein got asked, he was extremely reluctant.
He literally said, well, I guess so, maybe.
We'll see.
And he goes, I mean, literally, and then he goes, you know, more so the first two than the last one.
Now, at the same time, you know, he obviously played this up from 2015 on.
Knowing the power of the internet and the way things were able to go viral, he knew very well what he was doing.
And, you know, I obviously believe somebody like Roger Stone put that talking point in his brain.
And I think so because of, you know, obviously mentioning Bill Clinton, there was a lot of there there within the quote unquote Democratic Party at that time and Epstein, him being at the White House 17 times in a two-year period.
You just mentioned Zorro Ranch.
You know, let's show that to people because I don't think they get it enough.
I bring it up a lot.
I mean, guys, we're talking about somewhere that was in the middle of the debt.
You're looking at the helipad.
And at this establishment, you know, Bill Clinton absolutely and his wife had a ranch and Bill Richardson, the governor there, you know, Clinton remembered him as the U.S. diplomat that the bad guys liked.
You know, so I do believe, you know, a lot of this stuff has been completely and totally bifurcated, like you're saying.
But as far as the Trump phenomenon goes, I think he thought, because he barely talked about it, and despite the fact that he hired Patel that was on shows hundreds of times talking about Epstein and Bongino talking hundreds of times about Epstein, he could make this one go away like he had done so many other issues.
And just to give a few examples of those, he loved the WikiLeaks, couldn't get enough of the WikiLeaks.
Literally, it was those WikiLeaks that drove a lot of that MAGA movement into believing, you know, super secret squirrels and white hats that were coming to save us.
And then he was able to say, don't know much about Assange, don't know much about it.
Well, his Department of Justice went after him.
And then even when we got the release last year under the Biden administration, neither party said a word.
You know, didn't politically hurt him.
He said, lock her up.
He said, great campaign the moment he was elected.
Didn't seem to hurt him.
Even bringing it full force to literally just a month and a half ago when he cut the muskernuts loose, still had his base.
I think he didn't realize this was the issue.
On that note, Jason, it might have been the Elon thing that started that ball rolling, though.
Because we all did notice that there was a little bit of a fracturing right there, right?
There was a divide of people that felt allegiance to Elon Musk, you know, and or that they felt confused because they didn't, they, you know, they felt this was all honest.
And now they're like, well, wait a minute, you've just been telling me to support this guy and buy a Tesla.
And now, you know, and so that might have been the beginning.
But you're right.
Up until that point, his hubris may well have allowed him to think that this wouldn't change.
You know, you're right.
But I do think that he did promote it.
You know, he did lean into that.
But you're right.
This is, I give him a lot of credit for his kind of non-answer down the middle thing he does.
But, you know, he did that.
And plenty of his base felt that he was going to do everything he promised.
Well, to your point on leaning into it, I'll never forget when he finally got asked about QAnon.
And he goes, I don't know much about it.
Okay.
But I know they like me.
You know, that's, it's undeniable he's leaned into these things.
You know, again, when you talk about 9-11 and him answering directly, let us not forget in the run-up to the 2016 election, he talked about, well, maybe you're going to find out who did it.
And then when he was asked at the Live Golf Tournament because of the Saudi Arabian financing of some of these people that we now know, he gets asked about, well, don't you think it's a little tasteless that you're here in Saudi Arabia?
And he's like, we've never had an investigation.
It's a damn shame.
We don't know who did it.
It's like the president, the former president of the United States, who's about to be the president of the United States, just said, okay, that we don't know who did 9-11.
And the press, again, you're not going to get Democratic push on that.
You're not going to get Republican push on that.
It's only the people.
And again, to your point, I always thought 9-11 was going to be that thing.
I never in a million years thought Epstein was going to be that thing, you know?
But as 2015 and 16 and more and more of the information came out there, I'm just going to say it.
One of the things, and this is all speculation, all of it.
One of the things that I think if you actually got an accounting of the records and the tax records of Epstein, as Robert Barnes actually suggested on a broadcast, Barnes was spot on.
I'd like to get him on my show to talk about this because he talked about the red herring of the grand jury testimony that they're going to let out, all that.
It's really smart on it.
You're going to see financial ties via Epstein, his banking cartel, and something in 9-11.
And if you see that, that adds a whole nother dimension because we already know about Iran-Contras.
So, Steve, you know, let's throw it to you and then throw it to Ryan.
Epstein's Military Intelligence Operation00:07:37
What are your thoughts on all that?
Well, no, I mean, I think you're absolutely right.
And I think that with any sort of honest and thorough investigation, we would find out more of this stuff.
I don't trust anyone in a position of power to conduct such an investigation.
And in fact, it seems like they're trying to run Russia Gate in reverse right now as a huge distractionary measure.
We got Tulsi Gabbard coming out and being like, there's going to be accountability for the Obama and all that kind of stuff.
And it's, in my opinion, it's designed to keep people from demanding answers about the thing that you said you were going to provide answers for.
It's, you know, providing cover for Pam Bondi, who let's not forget was involved the first time around in Florida with the original Epstein trial.
There's, you know, Kash Patel and Bongino are cartoon characters.
And I don't know why anybody thought they were going to do anything other than follow orders.
Can I just speak to that really quick?
I mean, you guys know that I was on that, you know, I met you in person for the first time in Nashville at the Reawaken America tour.
Physically, everywhere I was, I was being towered over by these guys, whether it be Don Jr. or Mike Lindell and all just about everybody, even Clay, all of them towering over me.
I'm a little guy.
Kash Patel, he's a weasel.
He was like this big.
And I was like, if there's one guy I'm hovering over, he's a little bit weasly.
I'm not going to lie.
He is a very small fan.
I hate giving the Napoleon complex, but there's a lot of big talk out of a small man.
We're taking the FBI back.
We're going to make it a museum.
We're moving the office.
Go ahead.
My read on it is that there's a lot of ways we could talk about why we ended up here or just the kind of collapse of this country and less and less people with the insight and the knowledge and the know-how want to be in those positions.
That this is the junior team, right?
That's what this is with Bondi and Noam and Patel and Bongino.
These are people that don't deserve to be there in my opinion and don't have the know-how, don't have the expertise.
They're not necessarily, you know, they've got jobs that they, in some cases, did, you know, I'm not going to criticize, you know, Bongino and Secret Service.
I honestly don't know his background and what he did.
My point is that where they are now, they're out of their depth.
I think we all noticed that at this point.
Even the way they respond, they don't know how to, you know, give their, they track themselves with their own rhetoric, their own lies.
That's how I perceive that.
Back to the point about that, I think it's really important what you hit on.
That the interesting, large centerpiece that everyone is now recognizing, that you yourself have called out, that is now the cat is out of the bag.
The narrative is not hidden anymore.
Israel 9-11 is obvious.
Okay.
And so if you understand Epstein's obvious connection to that, this becomes the centerpiece that you can't miss, whether it is Epstein involved in 9-11 or Epstein involved with Israel or Israel, you know, or involved in all of the bigger things we're talking about.
And that's not to try to make it only about Israel or even Zionism.
There's a lot of moving parts, but that is a central part in this.
And so it's interesting to see how it all ties together.
And then you can start to make sense of why they're so desperate to put this to bed in a limited hangout style, giving us the bones to, you know, say, well, even the idea that he's a sex trafficker, isn't it interesting how it just became the normal statement on corporate media?
Even the use of the word pedophile, because there's a hell of a lot more going on there.
And even some of the cases is a stretch of the word because you're talking about teenagers, right?
So it's weird that they just went like, yeah, pedophile, sex trafficker, we're all going to claim that, even though you were calling us crazy for even talking about that 20 seconds before.
So it seems like there was a decision to just go, okay, they got that part of it.
We'll put it to bed with this.
And I think it's to hide the larger agenda that we're probably going to get into, whether it's Israel, transhumanism, technocracy.
You know, it's all the same conversation right now in my mind.
Go ahead, Steve.
Yeah, and I mean, not to make it all about Israel, but there were only one other country that I can think of that had a former prime minister that was working hand in glove with Epstein for years and years and years after he had been previously convicted.
And that's Ahub Barack, in case people in the audience don't know who I'm talking about or referring to, former Israeli prime minister Ahub Barack.
So the way of looking at Epstein is more like a military intelligence operation rather than this is a Mossad op or, you know, I think it has to be viewed more as like a joint multiple military operation and military intelligence operation over the period of years, if not decades, involving multiple governments,
but ultimately for the leverage that it would provide one or two, perhaps three specific countries, especially when you look at the Maxwell connection with the UK media, than anything else.
So let's talk about that because I think that the Israeli thing, especially right now with so many people outwardly angry with what's going on in Gaza, in the Middle East, and the fact, again, Trump said that he was going to get that under control and solve Ukraine-Russia before he even got into office, right?
You know, those were two talking points that I really wish his base had held him to account on, because now we're seeing not only a complete reversal in the Middle East, but $400 million more in Patriot missiles.
This Anglo-American Euro-Israeli and really Saudi alliance post-World War II has been there a lot.
I think that, you know, and I was describing this on the NAFAL broadcast: is that, yeah, we'll burn Saudi Arabia as if they funded the hijackers, but no one's getting in trouble.
But the larger basis is that, you know, the consulate there is run by the Central Intelligence Agency and 17 of the 19 hijackers who end up being protected by our FBI and our CIA and training on our military bases come from there.
And then I further explain, I go, you know, a lot of people talk about the quote-unquote dancing Israelis.
I go, I don't know if they danced, but they certainly celebrated.
And what you don't know is that prior to that, you had a large spirang of almost 100 of these individuals being rounded up in the United States.
And I go, yes, they were art students.
That's the talking point.
I go, but they were in mall kiosks around the world or around the country.
And they had penetrated all sorts of known and unknown military and intel positions.
And then I talk, start talking about Amdocs and Converse.
You know, you just talked about the media in the UK.
Well, how about the telecommunication system that's combined in the U.S. and Israel?
And I explained, hey, they may not have been able to tap every phone and run like a carnivore or promise software, but they certainly knew who was calling who and from what number.
And then you can make associations once you find out who that number is.
You know, a lot of the network was revealed.
And I go, by the way, they were also arrested post 9-11 and all of them shipped overseas.
And both Ari Fleischer, the press secretary at the time, and Colin Powell actually had to answer short questions from the media on this matter.
And then you get into Iran-Contra, an adnon Khashoggi, who never gets charged with anything, has a harem of women.
But let's be honest, again, this is the 70s, the 80s, the Middle East.
Oh, you don't think a lot of these people were groomed from literally child's age to be in that harem, right?
Lawsuit's Web of Speculation00:15:24
Now you're starting to find out that, you know, the guy they've portrayed in the movies as James Bond or Jason Bourne is really Jeffrey Epstein.
pedophile and international arms dealer.
And by the way, our president of the United States loved these people so much that he not only partied and flew with Epstein, even if you don't believe there's anything underage there, he bought Khashoggi's yacht.
Bought us both.
It's so wild to me that we can have, like, look, I'm not going to argue because we're not ridiculous and we're responsible that we know for sure that Trump violated a law in his engagement with Epstein, right?
But the absurd idea that we can't recognize that he was well aware of what this guy was involved in because of many statements he made or the, I mean, we were just, I was just reading the new report.
I'm sure you guys saw about the party, the weird kind of like pageant party he had where he only invited Epstein, you know, and it's just well, that's not a new story.
So for those that don't know, it's circulating is my point.
Yes, and I think all of those will.
Now, I'm not sure if that comes from Ari Ben Minash, but I think we should talk about it, right?
Because let's get into it.
Well, I was just to finish that.
All I'm saying is that the images, all the different times he was there, there's a collage going around with 17 different images of him smiling and laughing and hanging out with Epstein.
The point is that we obviously know that he, at the very least, was okay with the weirdness of his, you know, his proclivities with young women.
You know what I mean?
And that's an important thing to understand.
One quick thing before I forget, by the way, I just saw this before he went live and I was talking about that image I was referring to.
I believe I don't think it's Morgan Freeman.
I believe it's a producer in Hollywood, Morgan Freeman, with a large following, not the Morgan Freeman I thought it was, in case that's relevant.
Nonetheless, same point, though, that it's gotten to the highest levels of Hollywood.
Go ahead.
So right now, I think a lot of the older stuff is going to circulate on Trump.
And look, you provide me evidence and I'll say it's real.
But I always tell people here, you can go and you can find Katie Johnson's testimony.
Anybody can go watch it.
It's available right here on YouTube in full.
Now, you also have to acknowledge, I believe, that Trump got out of this one twice.
We know all the allegations, but twice that lawsuit was dropped.
Here it is right here.
Okay.
So I don't know what to say.
I got to admit, like that party, it's like that she describes.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with it, but it seems kind of eyes wide shut to me.
I don't know whether or not that's Trump's style.
You know, he seems kind of like a germaphobe, but I always tell people, if you don't think that he was engaging in transactional sex with Stormy Daniels and others, like, what are you talking about?
The guy was running beauty pageants.
To your point, Miss Teen USA.
And the story you're talking about, I don't know whether it's true or not, but essentially when we talk about this pageant party, it was supposed to be like an audition for wife number three.
So these were high-end models.
There were supposedly 20 of them.
And I believe the one, you know, Melania was amongst many models and he got picked.
Now, I don't know that that's real, but I do know that Webster Tarpley, you know, tried to write about Trump and that relationship with Melania, kind of framing her as a high-end prostitute.
Trump's litigious, man.
He sued Tarpley.
I mean, Tarpley didn't have a lot to begin with, but he ruined Tarpley, in my opinion.
Like, he mentally ruined Tarpley.
So, you know, I wonder if there is any there there on the underage stuff.
But as far as the knowledge of what went on in the modeling industry during the 80s with underage girls, I think it would be undeniable.
And that's one of those things, that bad look, whether he did anything criminal that you wouldn't want to come out in these documents.
For instance, you know, again, Trump, I believe we have reports.
No, that's the wrong one.
Sorry.
But 14-year-old girls, there it is.
You know, they said, and at the Ghana Maxwell trial, they didn't accuse him of anything, but they certainly saw Trump there while they were 14.
So, you know, I'll throw it back to you guys.
Well, first I was going to say on that eyes wide shut, you know, I think it's important, and I'm sure we all do here, that we question these things.
You know, I get the comment that, you know, Trump doesn't drink a new drug and therefore we know it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I hear him say that too.
I don't know if I blindly take that at face value.
You know what I mean?
Things like that, or that he's wouldn't do something because of X, Y, and Z.
But, you know, I think that I think it's very plausible that Donald Trump could have been associated with this person, knowing he's what he is because it's power, because he's influential, you know, all the different things and didn't necessarily violate these laws, allowing it to exist around him.
And then is now covering this up because he knows how anyone will use his name on this, whether or not he did it or not, to go after him.
That makes sense.
It's the same conversation, though.
You're still involved in a situation where you care more about covering for yourself than you do about the truth.
That's what anybody honest is really highlighting with this is all we want is the information that was promised, the information around this, not to be called weaklings and liars after you built a whole following around this idea.
So I'm not going to say we know for sure that he's the criminal involved in this case, but let's be clear, they're all criminals.
And I mean, legitimately, provably criminals.
They're all war criminals.
They're all committing genocide.
So I'm not, you know, the idea that people are going after him because they hate him and that's all this is about, I'm sure that exists.
Most of us just care about the fact that our government, left and right, are abusing us and breaking the law, you know?
But let's not assume we know that Trump is doing the things that everyone's trying to make out to be.
It's up in the air.
What do you think?
Well, I mean, we're in the middle of an ongoing media circus about it.
Right.
You know what I mean?
So everything's going to get thrown at the wall.
And again, in my opinion, it's to prevent people from doing the legitimate investigative work of exposing the transhumanist components to it.
It's preventing people from getting legitimate answers about Zorro Ranch and things like that.
And as long as it stays within the realm of the salacious, America has basically made a collective decision over the last several decades that we don't care what the power elite is actually doing with kids.
Like, and that just seems to be, like, I know there's a lot of people that would push back on it, but every time you get somebody pushing back on it, their whole network gets exposed as helping to facilitate human trafficking.
But what's interesting on that, Steve?
So do you think that, like, so here's how I read this right now?
I agree that like the power structure, yes, but from the, from the people, I actually think that the opposite could be true in this, and that's why this is fracturing.
You know, that like, for example, you know, you built this whole idea from the right of this, which is kind of what I'm highlighting, even with Diddy and like Twitter, for example.
It's so interesting that the people who have would be willing to call anybody a palipedophile with very little evidence because of associations now don't care, don't want to call out Diddy and Facebook or Twitter, don't want to call out Epstein Trump, don't want to, you know, in the sense of building up to this.
But now when it becomes Trump saying it doesn't even exist, I think that you built your base around the idea that you do care about children.
That's my point about majority of them want these good things that are just being played.
And so when you suddenly make it, you're a liar, it's not even true, I think that's partly what's fracturing it, that they're like, well, too bad.
We care about these children.
You let us care about these children and now you're trying to cover this up.
I think that's a step too far.
But the line of where that goes, it's hard to say.
You very well could be right.
And that's just a very prominent 40%, you know?
I mean, we'll find out in the midterms, right?
Well, listen, let's talk about it.
Yes.
Listen, I don't think it does.
I think Bannon is correct about the midterms if they don't do something.
And I think that what you're going to see in the next probably, you're not going to see results, but you're going to get a special counsel that comes in before the midterms.
And there's going to be talks of burning certain people like Bill Richardson, who's now dead, and trying to frame it into the Hillary Bill Clinton narrative that they did.
But the results, of course, will be inconsequential.
Listen, I'm with them on Russia Gate.
I think that you guys factually are with them on Russia Gate.
But everybody in the world is with them on Russia Gate.
That's the point, right?
You'd be shocked.
They're still, listen, man.
I come from New York and I was looking at my Facebook just today.
And the delusionality that, you know, this is a fascist lie from Tulsi Gabbard, that Brennan and Clapper and all these people, you know, fabricated this idea that Trump was getting pissed on in Russia and basically was a puppet of Putin.
I mean, look, that's just not reality.
They go, well, he had businesses with Russia.
Yeah, they had nothing to do with the government.
Can I clear?
Sure.
My opinion is that it's obvious that there was clear, I mean, it's what they all do all the time, in my opinion, that Obama, or however you want to frame this, that there was manipulation going on to frame him for whatever reason, to lie about what was happening there.
That's not the same thing, though, as saying that he's not doing that.
I don't think that.
I don't think there's evidence to back it up.
Must be clear, though, just because that's not true doesn't mean there's not also something else going on.
But I agree.
I think my point is that everybody, most people, even in my engagement with people on the Democratic side of this, they're aware that that was flimsy.
The argument was not, there was nothing there.
Aaron Mate destroyed this every single day for a long time, and he still does, you know?
And so it's clear that people aren't buying it.
But the issue is not about whether that's true.
It's about why this is being thrown in your face when it's already something that is, you know, in the middle of this Epstein thing.
And then secondarily, do we really think Obama's going to get arrested?
I'm willing to bet you anything that doesn't come to pass.
Well, obviously, well, that's the whole thing.
I think that's the other thing because he ran on taking down the deep state.
And this is the last run.
And so far, we've had no arrests.
And they really thought, again, people think that Epstein was running an underage brothel and he had clients.
Like that's, and they, and they think, and the people on that ultra right wing, they think they're blood-drinking Satanists, every one of them.
They think Tom Hanks and Ellen DeGeneres and Oprah Winfrey, and they're all on that list, right?
Like we've seen the fake list.
Everything, but the evidence for it.
Well, exactly.
That's my point, is that there's a lot of fantasists.
But then there were other people like myself that were like hoping this was going to be the change because the rhetoric had changed, right?
And, you know, you did see some policies, at least, you know, within the WHO or the United Nations that I liked.
He didn't see, you know, a bloodthirsty warmonger.
He wasn't running the same talking points all the time.
That's been shifting a lot, right?
The actions have obviously spoken louder than words.
But speaking of narrative management and this upcoming election, right?
Before this story of the birthday inscription, and I don't know whether it's real.
I don't know whether it's fake.
I don't know whether it's a Demop.
I don't know whether it's a Republican op that maybe even Trump doesn't know about, you know, someone running it, you know, for whoever.
But it's certainly not out of the realm of the possibility.
But the narrative was already set by Trump himself.
This is the next Russia, Russia, Russia.
The Democrats have documents they've put in there, et cetera, et cetera, comes out before.
So you're going to have a certain amount of people that are going to believe that.
You're going to have a certain amount of people that are going to attack that.
You're going to have a certain amount of people that literally think it's fake or literally think it's real, right?
And then there's somewhere in between.
And then you have the $10 billion lawsuit.
That creates a huge distraction.
I think there are going to be more stories coming, but not stories in the realm of the arms trading, the transhumanism aspect.
And one of the things that blows my mind, and again, it shows, and this is the thing, Ryan, I think this is why they think they can get away with it.
Not only do you have a vast ignorance amongst the general mainstream media watching population where they're still doing the talking points and the Mad Out talking points in MSNBC, but you're also getting the talking points of the alternative media or the Bannons of the world when Bannon is literally sitting on, I say eight hours.
I looked it up.
Supposedly, it's 15 hours of interviews with Epstein himself, where he put out about 20 seconds of those interviews.
And, you know, you talk about that transhumanism aspect.
He goes, and you owned an island.
He goes, two islands.
Epstein goes, two islands.
And he goes, Islands of Dr. Morel.
That's what Bannon says back to him.
And he goes, that is correct.
Well, that opens up a whole can of worms.
Why has Bannon not released these until now?
He hasn't released anything at all.
Yeah, that's just like a 15, 20 second soundbite for like five years.
After he died.
Why has he, why would he, like, it's all, it's very conspicuous to me that it's like it's been waited until the moment that it needs, you know what I mean?
Like, why would he have not put those things out?
It's been, they would have been just as big, well, maybe not as big as right now, but a bombshell.
There'd be huge bombshells.
Listen, they would give us all directions on what Epstein was at least willing to talk about with his relationships and obviously people he would be willing to burn.
I'm not saying he would be telling the truth, but I'm sure some of the things that he would be talking about would have a paper trail, okay?
And would implicate a lot of people that aren't in the current civil case documents.
Remember, Ryan, and I often tell this, people go, well, why haven't the victims spoken?
I go, not one victim, other than in the Palm Beach case, got a criminal case and we all saw what happened there.
Okay.
Now you have two separate cases, one with JP Morgan and one with Lehman Brothers, that one had a payout of $290 million and the other of $79 million.
So now you are going to get some compensation maybe in one or two.
They didn't give every victim.
They didn't deem every victim credible.
But if you did, you were deemed credible, you signed NDAs.
You know, it was enough of these people in JPMorgan to have their emails going around talking about Epstein's proclivity for young girls and joking about which Disney dresses they wanted to see them in.
Can you imagine?
I mean, when you're talking about Lehman Brothers in particular, I believe, do I have that one up here?
I might.
But this person literally was in the hot tub with Epstein after the conviction on his properties.
These are terrible looks, right?
And we got to remember, the vast majority of the info that we started getting was well after 2008.
It was in that 2015 to 17 period.
And that's when the outcry, because again, Trump also helped ignite it, came.
But that's also where the evidence of, you know, arms dealing.
And you talk about the 80s, the Israelis were very involved in that.
You talk about past that.
Prince Andrew is the arms dealer of the UK.
And then that clip of Lewis Black that no one else seems to talk about but me.
What do you think?
Lewis Black just wants to make up his one encounter of Epstein that he goes into a room where there's a whiteboard and he tells him that he's discussing weapon systems with the Israeli defense minister.
That really serves Lewis Black.
And I'm sure there's another explanation other than the fact that he's an arms dealer that you would, that's just a hobby for most people, discussing weapon systems with defense ministers and how to finance them.
I'll let you guys go.
I just want to add to the point of Israel.
Obviously, Uhi Barak was the one that got attention because he's hiding his face.
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He's visiting many times, but many, up until Netanyahu, prime ministers, are very much overlapped with him.
I believe it was Netanyahu introduced him, which bank it was.
I forget.
He's the go-between.
The point is that they have played a role very, very prominently.
But the same point could probably be made for every U.S. president, right?
So, but it's just important to see the height of this.
And if you think that's just about this one guy with his own network, again, you're lying to yourself.
And that's where they're trying to kind of couch this, you know?
Well, not only that, but again, they're just, you know, trying to make sure.
I know that I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, but nobody's looking into the transhumanist aspects of it or, you know, alleged baby farms and all of this kind of stuff that is, I mean, beyond evil, beyond horrible.
And there's a bunch of uncomfortable conversations that people would prefer not to have when this many high-level people are involved or alleged to be involved.
It makes it even more of a difficult conversation because there's still plenty of people with partisan leanings.
Still plenty of people that do look at politics as team sports who will look the other way and have looked the other way for a very, very long time about all manner of allegations, people's behavior and what they've been doing.
And I just, I think that, you know, things like the Independent Media Alliance existing in the first place, because we're going to continue to ask these questions.
We're going to continue to look into it, is such a vital counterweight to what's now become like a marriage between the traditional legacy media and the mainstream alternative media, who are largely running cover on this right.
Half of them are running cover and half of them are looking the entire wrong direction, just barking about, you know, the same stuff that we either already know or already assume, but kind of know we're never going to get justifiable answers for.
Well, can we talk about that, Jason?
Let's talk about the interesting way that Trump, let me just the quick kind of encapsulation of Trump trying to transition this around to just cold knitting and that it's now a hoax.
And he really is trying to maintain that, which completely contradicts everything they've done, including the grand jury.
I mean, every single moment, the files are on my desk.
It's like, you can't keep making these statements, then call it a hoax.
And overlapping that with the point of how he's, what troublemakers, weaklings, attacked his own base for it.
And then sort of the mainstream alternative media coverage as Steve is talking about.
There's a lot to kind of flesh out there and how, you know, I mean, like, there's one, I think, with Jones and Bannon, like recently, where they're just like, this was an operation, right?
Like, again, I mean, is there any evidence to back that up at all?
Like, I haven't seen a shred of anything to insinuate, to suggest, to prove, let alone this is an operation that's one, or rather, more specifically, a hoax about the list.
So let's, let's talk about it because I think it's really important to get this narrative that somehow these are going to be Democratic documents.
Number one, Robert Barnes, who has actually been on some of Trump's law teams, he stopped in for about 40 minutes on Mario Nefal, and he was very frank about the whole thing.
He said the grand jury testimony, he goes, I give the administration credit for running cover, but it's a total red herring.
He goes, most of the stuff is in the public arena.
This is going to just, you know, talk about who, met, who, when.
You're not even getting the testimonies at certain times.
And he goes, by the way, if this is about, you know, Trump being in those documents, there's a really easy way that you do that.
You release some documents, but not the ones with Trump in them.
Now, that's what everyone's talking about.
Exactly.
I think it was Russia Today, and I posted it that it's reporting that some senator says that there's now been a thousand people deployed via the FBI to scan documents for his name.
I go, again, I don't know whether any of this is true, okay?
But it's what's being done.
I believe that statement, though, was backed up by somebody's administration, but they just kind of ran cover for why they were doing it, if I remember correctly.
But that wasn't, you know, I'll be honest.
I clicked on it.
I didn't see any names.
I saw, according to Senator, so who knows?
Maybe that got updated.
Maybe somebody came out.
I don't know.
I think, number one, the problem is that, again, this exposes a system.
It exposes not only the U.S.-Israeli alliance, but that kind of disalliance of blackmail.
And who knows what blackmail gets released on either side, right?
I mean, when I often talk about this, I don't think people get it.
Like, can you imagine somebody like George H.W. Bush and him running the CIA and being part of that?
And then something like Pollard happens, where they're stealing.
Do you think that made him happy?
Like, but at the same time, he knows he can't break the game.
And I'm sure on the other side, you know, he was pissing on, you know, maybe not Ehud Barak at the time, although he's certainly in the peripheral or Netanyahu.
But I forget the prime minister that essentially got assassinated for daring to try to actually make the two.
And Netanyahu was involved in that.
And that was Rubinoviz, right?
Yeah, Rubinovic.
Like, like all the way back.
You know, that's that time period.
So look, there are real consequences in these games.
But at the same time, they need somebody to buy the damn arms to send down to the Sandinistas.
I would add to that too, though, that, you know, kind of what you were showing, there's many different ways that could go.
One of the most obvious with what we do understand and what everyone seems to have acknowledged is that, you know, the blackmail network involved is that it's just as possible that these people were being manipulated by this sexual blackmail.
You know, that every one of these people have their weird.
I mean, that's the reality, I think, of how this has gone, which is, and which is why we are where we are today with Trump's Zionist administration, is that they've slowly continued to, I mean, look at AIPAC.
It's right on the surface.
Whether it's just money directly given through normal channels or sexual blackmail, I think that they've ultimately been able to control the outcome of our policy in this country.
And I think it goes back to that point.
But to what you're saying then, maybe it was less influential then, or maybe there's moving parts.
Even in this country, as Whitney would discuss, there's different factions, as we've talked about.
And so it's just as likely that maybe he was trying to work, or even like JFK, for example, was trying to work with some element to get to a place to where they weren't being threatened by the intelligence side of Israel's Zionist government.
And ultimately, they didn't want that.
And that side won out, right?
I mean, the same thing here.
You could argue that there's buying, you know, all of them want control of our lives.
That's what I would see it as.
Anybody in this country.
But then there's different ideas of how they do that.
And I think there's a real core idea grouping in this country that will do whatever they can to control our lives, but don't want a foreign country to be the one doing it.
Like, you know what I mean?
And so there's like this argument about how they get that done.
And I think there's this Zionist kind of, you know, it's just taking over.
And some of them don't want that.
Like even the Iran point, remember, the claim was that Iran reached out in regard to the possible false flag to the United States and said this might be happening and that that gave them the opportunity to stop what might have been an Israeli false flag.
I mean, it makes sense when you look at the bigger picture and they won in a sense.
The network has allowed them to have this control to this day, but now it's breaking down.
Well, you know, one of the things I point to, especially because the Iran-Contra scandal is just so in your face, right?
And when you look at the Middle Eastern component, I mean, we haven't talked about Les Wexner, but this guy's never been criminally charged.
He beat the civil suits.
Dershowitz was his lawyer.
And even if you don't believe that the guy that's running L Brands and Victoria's Secret is dealing arms with Jeffrey Epstein, he's totally involved in Middle Eastern Israeli policy specifically.
And I believe it was Frank Lutz who wrote that one report in 2004 that leaked, where they're talking about how do we keep the United States and the people behind that war in Iraq.
And they're discussing, you know, putting pregnant women out there because Saddam was gone at that point.
You know, a lot of people, again, a lot of people that got behind that war and realized, hey, maybe we're being lied to about their involvement in 9-11.
didn't think that in 2025 we were still gonna have troops in all these places.
They weren't thinking 20-plus year war.
They hadn't read things like the Peen Act document and understood full spectrum dominance.
So I think there's a big problem with, again, if now you find out you're funding all these things and pedophilia is the glue, I don't know how you get that out there into the public arena.
But, you know, the larger point about whether or not these are democratic documents, I think right now they're scurrying to figure out what they can release.
And you talk about the transhumanism, man.
You know, we haven't mentioned Minsky.
We haven't mentioned the fact that Peter Nygaard has been convicted and he parallels so much of Epstein in so many ways.
And the transhumanism aspect was a big one.
People don't understand that Zorro Ranch, which I just showed in the middle of the desert, was never investigated into his transhuman point.
That's where we have, I believe it was Julia Bryant saying that, you know, she woke up and her ovaries were being taken on a medical table.
And that's where we get the idea of 20 plus of these facilities for quote-unquote pregnant women to raise an army of Epsteins.
I mean, that is, I bring that up all the time and you wonder where else it went.
And like I said, Bannon, you know, to the point on Bannon, I often ask that question.
I've asked it of Joe Allen, who I have great respect for, the author of Dark Eon.
He goes, you know, I wonder if he's keeping it as insurance, that he doesn't have to go to jail again.
And I don't know.
Bannon's not a dumb guy.
That's for sure.
You know, remember, he was on both sides of the aisle for a very long time.
He funded along with Jared Kushner, who produced Sicko with Michael Moore.
I mean, these are players, like, as much, as long as we've been in it.
I think, Ryan, you've been doing this well over a decade, decade and a half now.
I've been doing this 20 plus years.
We're babies compared to the Bannons and the Stones of the world that didn't really come into this with a lot of scruples to begin with.
Well, that's the thing is they're overtaken by the partisan interest.
And even if they fluctuate or change, it's kind of the same idea.
But one thought I just had that you went to your point you made before: you know, if you want to argue or understand why somebody might make the argument of, you know, that our government's run by pedophiles, for example, as much as that may sound ludicrous, it doesn't have to mean necessarily that that's just like, here's the easy way to think about how that might come about.
You have a foreign influence blackmail network that can manipulate politicians and their outcomes if they can catch them on video doing disgusting things.
That doesn't mean that every single person in power is doing that.
However, you take 20 years and you take an Israeli apparatus that is pushing these people, funding the ones they can control into power.
Then you find what we have today, where maybe you very well do have a government that's controlled by people that have been put there because that's who they are, because they can be manipulated by a foreign government.
And that does really.
And it grew from high school, if not college, in order to run for office and have these positions.
Every couple of years, the thread makes around again, and I saw it yesterday.
The one that exposes the heck out of AOC.
And it's the, I can't remember the exact name of the Twitter account, but it's like something, something Edward Bernays.
And it just goes through like what her actual life was and her time at Boston University and the School of International Relations, which was established in 1989 by a CIA officer specifically to Boston University in Georgetown, recruit people for various different intelligence and governmental positions.
And that's the entire origin story of the grad program there.
And so it's definitely not out of the scope of reality to assume that the vast majority of people in government, regardless of whether it's federal or state or local, have been more or less, you know, positioned there.
And it would only take 20, 30 years before you would just have all you need is a simple majority at that point.
Like, you're right.
It doesn't have to be 535 people in no way, shape, or form.
But a simple majority does it or an influential minority that directs where your campaign funds go and how you get to play with the money.
And what's interesting about that, and I 100% agree with that, it's just like that, that for the average person who maybe just sees this stuff, that sounds, that's conspiracy theory.
You know, that's kind of the response you might get.
And so it's, that's, I think, probably more often than not.
But what's interesting is kind of back to that same point, which I find just so crazy today, the average house mom down the street knows well about Epstein's sexual blackmail network.
You know, it's just a weird kind of deviation.
So it's like they understand that that's at least something to talk about.
So if you can use that point to show here's why that comes to pass, just on that surface level, it really does open their mind to the idea of how easy something like that could come to pass.
Not maybe not even by design for that exact idea, but then you add your part to it.
I mean, that shows this.
That's like a global dynamic, you know, like he's over a long period of time allowing people to, you know, be groomed into positions.
I mean, this goes to like CIA intelligence kind of stuff, where you can plan people.
Yeah, yeah, many, many different moving factors.
And this is why at this point in the world, we need to start really asking these questions.
It's not, you know, start being cowed along the idea of you are a conspiracy theory.
These are very valid questions based on provable facts, points from the past, you know, and just and just ask these questions.
Is it possible that this is like a mantraing candidate?
That's not crazy to ask.
Well, you know what?
Let's let's talk a little.
You just brought up the Rhodes Scholarship.
And another aspect, you know, of Epstein that really does not get discussed ever, in my opinion.
You know, I talked about the relationship with Bill Clinton and the White House in 93 to 95.
We have the lawyer saying that he was an integral part of starting the Clinton initiative, aka the Clinton Foundation.
I think all of that's real.
But we didn't talk about the fact he was CFR and Trilateral Commission.
Now, CFR alone would be big enough.
Again, you have that Hillary Clinton connection and her famous clip when she's Secretary of State and she's just so giddy that the CFR is moving their main office from New York to D.C.
And she's like, well, now, you know, I don't have to go as far to be told what we're going to be doing.
And you're like, okay.
And then, you know, you look at that network again, you know, the CFR in particular into the Trilateral Commission.
That's a Brzezinski op with Rockefeller.
And I haven't brought up the BCCI banking scandal, but I have a section on Iran-Contra in my film.
You know, we don't even talk about Khashoggi.
I believe Mark Rich is the Israeli insider that we discussed because he was very much a part of that.
But one of the things that's really said after they arrest four people in BCCI, and BCCI was not only Iran-Contra and cartel, but went into the Mujahedin and the bin Laden network that Brzezinski was such an integral part of and bragged about.
And you can see him literally handing the arms to the Mujahideen during that time period.
There's a clip in there where they're asking this guy essentially the same questions we're asking about this Epstein thing.
And he goes, too many people, too many favors, too many inconvenient truths, and everybody just wants this to go away.
And that's it.
And people don't understand.
You know, I hear all the time, you know, again, the moronic view that nobody else has been arrested and no clients have been arrested.
Jean-Luc Brunel, who I would say would probably be the closest to a quote-unquote client, but I would say an associate where they were kind of trading off girls.
You look at some of the evidence within the post-it notes and the calendars.
It seems like they had that kind of relationship, not a pimping one where someone was paying for it, but hey, I want this.
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Can you provide it?
Set it up, et cetera.
And that was happening.
Brunel was charged.
And he was in a Paris prison when he killed himself a couple of years ago.
And I'm not saying he didn't kill himself.
I'm sure you could put your, I haven't seen the autopsy evidence or whatever.
You could put yourself somebody in a position where, hey, you're in a cell with two guys that maybe aren't going to treat you the best 23 out of the 24 hours a day that you're in there.
And then all of a sudden, you just take those two guys out and go, well, we're on break for the next four or five hours.
Here's a shirt.
Unless you want to stay in this vein.
And that brings up back to the point of Epstein and like the video that we haven't touched on.
You know, that's another really large part of this that I think is just, you know, embarrassing.
You know, a video that's put out that they vetted that they support that they held for a while and they put out and missing time.
And apparently two minutes and something when it's really broken down, despite the time, the counter, right?
And, you know, so you knew that.
No one tried to prep that.
No one said, hey, this is missing.
Here's why.
They just hoped we wouldn't notice.
And then even if you, I mean, I remember every point because there's like 15 of them, but if you really break this down and go through, I forget the account name, I was, somebody did a really great job breaking these parts down.
And there's like three or four different things that are proven, like in that this video disproves the claims they made about the video just by watching it.
You know, I mean, there's four, there's so many different things.
And so that, let's, if you want to talk about that, I think it's interesting, you know, what the mindset might be there and what that shows you about their intentions.
Like, again, that seems like a deliberate effort to deceive us.
Well, let's just talk about suicide real quick.
One of the points that I never see made that I think needs to be made is that MCC, where this guy was kept, number one, they kept El Chapo there, okay, and were able to keep him alive.
Now, in the last 19 and a half, almost 20 years, Epstein's the only suicide.
So one other person had killed themselves 14 years prior in that facility.
There have been no suicides since.
And remember, this guy failed to quote unquote commit suicide the first time.
So he was actually on suicide watch.
So the most high profile person you have in the prison is the only person to successfully commit a suicide in that facility.
And prior to that, you had the New York Post report that Bill Barr himself had visited the prison to visit quote unquote Epstein.
They retracted that story.
I'm going to be fair.
But during that time period, I mean, people don't know what a superstar for the Intel community Bill Barr really was.
This is a CIA agent before he is even a lawyer.
Okay.
He is named by one of the cocaine smugglers as the fixer in MENA, Arkansas, under the guise of quote-unquote Robert Johnson.
He gets his first big, I mean, super big gig under Mr. CIA, George W. Bush, as the youngest attorney general ever.
You know, he was working on before that?
He was working with Robert Mueller of the FBI through the DOJ on the Noriega case.
Another person in that.
It's funny how it all connects in the background.
I mean, you talk about Bill Barr.
He is, I mean, he's like Mike Pompeo on steroids with a slightly less fat face and a more rotund body at this point.
That's about it.
I mean, I'll throw it to you guys.
Yeah, no, I mean, there's so many different threads on this, and people don't really understand just how deeply connected Bill Barr was for the last, geez, I don't know, 45 years or so, 50 years.
And there's a significant overlap between Bill Barr and Epstein because Bill Barr's dad hired him.
Like in the 80s, we don't talk enough about the connections that Epstein had with Harvard and with MIT and with people like Steven Pinker or even Noam Chomsky.
And this, again, in my opinion, like ties into the collegiate level grooming practice of placing less than scrupulous individuals in positions of power.
We don't talk about interlocking the school for, you know, music school, an art school for teens that Jeff and Ghelain, out of the goodness of their heart, set up in the middle of nowhere in Michigan.
Which, by the way, when I was going to high school, that was something that people would try to like get you to want if you were involved in like art or music or any, you know, that was like a big get if you could get yourself, you know, to the interlocking summer camp, stuff like that.
You just, you know, not directly marketed or anything, but it was something that was in the background that like you knew about.
And, you know, at the time, no idea who Jeffrey Epstein was or why it might be really, really, really bad idea to go there.
But it just shows the reach and it shows all of the various different fields, which kind of does connect a little bit to the Diddy thing.
Definitely connects to the Epstein operation.
And then you look at the person in charge of prosecuting Epstein and Ghelaine Maxwell and Diddy.
And it all goes back to James Comey's daughter.
Hey, James Comey is a fine individual, and I'm sure his daughter is well.
I will not have you besmirch their name, sir.
Listen, I want to hit on something that we haven't hit on that you did kind of through academia and these institutes.
I think another reason, I mean, among the multitude of reasons they don't want this to come down is number one, this is showing how the world works, and it shows a lot of these quote-unquote benevolent institutions and how philanthropy is, I mean, people got a taste of it through Gates and the COVID-19 44 nightmare, right?
But now you're finding out that Jeffrey Epstein is running a summer camp with Elton John for these kids too.
It's not one institution, right?
They got their hands all across this country and the world.
For instance, you know, you could even get into the Nexium case, which again had high-profile, high-level people, the son of the former president of Mexico.
But they had the Rainbow Cultural Garden in Europe and in South America where, you know, they had these girls who were teenage girls that usually the ones being abused, at least that we know about.
But they were brought in because they spoke multiple languages and these were nursery schools.
So they had access to even younger children.
People, that's the crossing point.
That's what I think it is.
You know, that was the crossing point for the Vatican and that abuse.
And people were like, whoa.
And then that permeated, it permeates popular culture to this day.
And there's almost no record of it before that.
And I think that's the big thing.
If everybody finds out that the so-called good guys are doing this to kill a bunch of the bad guys and they're the ones raping and selling children, right?
That's a bad look.
And you find out that these academics are the ones that are the transhumanists working with them doing the same thing.
That's a bad look.
I think that Steve is 100% correct that whether or not these people are groomed, if you can find somebody that is a predator in the sense that you know that they're compromised, but they are also very, very good, not only in politics, but around people, say a Dennis Hassert, right?
Dennis Hassert, I mean, he's labeled a serial pedophile by a judge.
You go back to the accusations.
This is somebody that was doing this when he was a gym teacher and a wrestling coach in high school.
And somehow he gets not only into the Senate, which is powerful enough, he becomes the Speaker of the House.
We don't talk about those things.
You know, to go transnational with it, yes, we know about Prince Andrew.
How many people are aware of the allegations of the former prime minister Ted Heath or that there even is a former prime minister, Ted Heath, right?
Shout out to David Icke for teaching me about that 25 years ago.
And that's why I have great respect for him.
We all have to agree on that.
Dead Man's Grip00:08:03
On that point, though, it's interesting.
And I think it just behooves us to be very critical, you know, because I think right now, like the point being, like I made with Trump, for example, I'm not going to pretend for a second and deserves criticism that he even aligns himself in the same room with these people on a repeated basis because it's hard to, I mean, as we all know, like what's that woman that said on stage?
You're like, we all knew what he was doing.
I think they all knew, right?
McCain's wife.
They don't want to be involved.
Right, right.
They don't want to be involved.
They don't want to say it.
They don't want to be called out for it.
They don't want to be attacked by Israel.
Whatever it is.
The point is, like Elton John or whoever else, I'm not going to say for one second that we should give them a pass for being involved with somebody that they knew was like that.
But there's a lot of overlap and there's a lot of power in this location, in all of what's going on.
So I think he just became very mainstream in like the elitist circle.
So there's a lot of overlap.
It's kind of the point of saying, you know, like with Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, which is connected to everything, you know, like it's crazy.
But that doesn't mean that everybody that overlapped with them at some point were necessarily a problem.
You know, just point is let's be very objective because this will be used against us.
Be critical.
Question every person that has any connection, but I would say don't, let's not jump down the rabbit holes of creating, like, here's what I expect.
Mainstream alternative media, plucking, like if let's say the list comes out, plucking out different people that they can use to kind of like overtake the story that aren't necessarily provable, while there'll be ones that we really should be focusing on, you know?
So be critical, as always.
I think it'll be used.
Yeah, I guess that's, that's what we should, you know, we've been doing this a little bit over an hour.
Let's wrap it up.
Where does this go from here?
Because first of all, I don't think, number one, I think that there's going to be a portion of the public arena and obviously indie journalists like ourselves that are never going to let this go because we know that there'll be more and more information that comes out over the years, no matter what, whether it's financial records of Epstein himself or from others, whistleblowers, maybe even women that have signed NDAs, but are at the twilight of their lives and give that real deathbed confession.
Those type of things happen.
I got news for people, dead man switches don't.
There's not one recorded.
You know, I get that all the time.
Oh, if Epstein had all this blackmail, why didn't it come out?
Because that doesn't happen.
They don't kill a guy before they secure everything.
They secure everything and then they kill the guy.
Like, that's actually how it works.
I mean, I don't know.
And anybody, again, who believes in superheroes and unicorns and leprechauns over rainbows into pots of gold, I don't know what to tell you.
That's not real.
Jason, here's a good point to add that you kind of pointed to earlier.
I mean, it's just as possible, like to your point, that that first attempt was when they went and tied that up, right?
Give me the, like hypothetically, let's say there's a dead man switch or something like that, that they could have absolutely made that, you know, scenario, or maybe what's his name we talked about the last time, the big New York guy that was with him for a moment.
You know, there's ways they could have tied that up and then it was taken care of.
Well, you're talking about Tartigleon, a now convicted ex-police officer, quadruple murderer that on an upstate New York farm shot people right in the back of the head and buried them.
I got news for you.
If you do that, you've probably done it before.
This is a cold-blooded killer.
This is only what he got caught for.
And it was Epstein's lawyer that said, no, he didn't try to kill himself.
The first attack was from Tartiglion trying to strangle him.
So again, that's not Jason Burmes.
You can check it out.
It's in the public arena.
I think that's a very important point.
I think we're going to get a special counsel.
I'm kind of disgusted by it.
I think that the hopium is going to be back full force, like post-January 6th style, where there's going to be days of darkness.
And in March, blah, blah, blah, we're going to have, you know, superheroes come from the sky.
They're going to get it past the midterms and see how well they do and then milk it into the next election cycle as, you know, in, let's just be honest with ourselves, 2026, 2027, you start hearing about dead people.
You start hearing about Bill Richardson.
I will say this.
You bet your ass they would burn Wexner if he died of a heart attack tomorrow.
I don't think it's going to happen.
I don't, I think that Wexner is one of those dudes that's sticking around Adelson style to the very end.
But I don't know.
I think that he is honestly just too big a player.
And just one more quick point about the Israeli angles and the media and the arms dealing.
We know about Argo.
They made a damn Hollywood movie about it.
We know Arnon Milken was a long time not only producer there, but arms dealer and Israeli agent.
But that's in the peripheral.
That's not being harped on by any of the talking heads, mainstream, alternative mainstream or otherwise.
And those are the things that we need to be focused on.
Historical examples of this and where he fits into those historical examples.
Go ahead, guys.
Yeah.
Well, I'll just say that, I mean, I agree.
I think that this, well, on the one point being whether or not we actually get, you know, whether it's grand jury.
I mean, it's hard to see how they play this.
They've already kind of floated that, like, first it was a special prosecutor.
Then he said, never mind.
You know, it's like, I think they're just testing the waters every day.
They very well may, like, even Trump already came out and said that even when we do it, there's not, it's not going to settle all the troublemakers, you know, which is like 90% of the base right now.
So I'm not sure where I see this going.
That could be one of the directions.
It could be some kind of a fake release of something, you know, or very well may could be the list and we don't take it at face value, but we should question it regardless.
But I do think that whatever they do, it's not going to put this to bed.
I think that they've opened this too far.
I think it's because of the Israel aspect, the genocide, the joint genocide.
I mean, even to the point that what's now happening in Syria, like there's no putting this away.
Everyone's paying attention.
And so I hate to say it, but I get the sense of something worse.
You know what I mean?
Like that this is the only way, like if you're at a point to where, you know, like a Samson option, but from the U.S. side of it, not nuclear, but just the idea of something that's like, we're going to burn bridges right now because we're about to lose everything.
They've lost control of narratives.
They've lost control of influence.
The parties are fracturing.
I expect something.
And I'm not trying to scare anybody.
I just think that they get to the point where they need to push boundaries to be able to maybe drive us back into that position.
But I do agree with you.
I think that they do their best to drag this out as far as they can in hopes that they can, you know, use other events.
But if it comes down to it, that's what I worry about.
But we'll have to see how it goes.
Well, and that looks like the Elon Musk America First Party taking over the traditional two-party dynamic.
And I see that.
I see the split between Elon and Trump as a very coordinated thing.
I see the Elon talking about starting another political party as something that could be held as the nuclear option as far as that goes.
If this does get a little bit too far away from him.
And I think on the initial non-release, it did get way too far away from them because all of the crazy shit that's happened since the non-release, including the Russia Gate and reverse run back, is designed specifically to make people shut up about the one thing.
And, oh, we're going to go get Obama.
So it's okay.
We didn't find out anything about Epstein because we're going to get Obama.
We know that he's a bad guy and he's still alive.
So, you know, that's going to become part of the hopium.
It's going to become part of the distractionary theater.
And yeah, if they can squeeze by a midterm election without, you know, completely tanking the rest of their base, then you can fudge the numbers a little bit, you know, when it comes down to electoralism, but, you know, maybe maintain control of this or maybe maintain control of that.
But I think most of it is most of this second Trump term is just setting the table for Agenda 2030 and trying to install as much of the, you know, tech oligarchy as humanly possible, knowing that they're going to have to turn that over to Gavin Newsom in a few years.
Considering The Rolodex00:01:47
Can I add one more thought, Jason, before you wrap?
The thing that I'm, you know, kind of the worst case scenario that I worry about that we've talked a lot about on the show and kind of what you're pointing to there, Steve, that, you know, that this, it's worth considering that this very well may be one of two things.
Maybe designed to keep us buried in this story while they finish out the finishing touches on the technocratic panopticon.
That may be one way to look at it.
Or secondarily, that this is an outside force that is deliberately collapsing this country.
Now, I don't know where I stand on that, like the percentages of what's most likely, but there's very obvious reasons to consider that there's some kind of a Zionist overtaking of this country or a Zionist technocratic overtaking, something like that, that there's a million data points to suggest.
But you could also look at it as a collaboration between the elitists in this country and other countries, but it's worth considering that.
So as we go forward, we need to question these things and stop allowing the partisan game like Steve is talking about to pull us away from it.
And just because you talked about that technocratic aspect, one of the things we don't talk about enough is Peter Thiel, who obviously had a lot to do with this campaign, has a lot to do with the administration, has a lot to do with the different types of bills and really, I would say, molding around many aspects of technology right now.
He had a relationship with Epstein.
He was in the Rolodex as well.
There are quote unquote lists.
It's a black book list and it's a Rolodex list, everybody.
And we know about these business dealings.
So I think it's really important to talk about that.
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