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Many in my audience will be familiar with this whistleblower and his viral footage talking about black projects in the Antarctic and beyond.
Eric J. Hecker is with us.
Deciphering.tv is the website.
We're going to be talking about his experience and much more.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
And we are back.
And Eric, I just want to thank you for joining us.
Now, your footage has been shared with me by numerous people.
I think I caught it probably within the first week, kind of on my own.
And then people are sending me this stuff and they're asking me what I think.
And I'm like, well, you know, black projects do exist.
And the Arctic region is actually a pretty good place for them as not many people travel there.
And there have been certain treaties, et cetera, and exploration that we just don't know much about it really since the World War II era.
And that's just a fact.
So before we get into that, let's talk about some of your prior experiences because you also had some work with Raytheon, etc.
Give us your background.
I guess that's rather challenging because I'm trying to figure it out myself at this point.
I guess my background started on Long Island.
I grew up.
It's a very military-industrial complex area.
So I guess I crossed paths with a lot of interesting people before I even went to Antarctica.
The short stint that I did in the United States Navy Submarine Service was very enlightening in regards to who Raytheon was as a corporation as well.
And I also did an extensive amount of plumbing for folks that were high-ranking people in the military industrial complex.
I don't know if you're familiar with organizations like the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, but these were effectively, this was my customer base.
So I've been kind of brushing elbows with some of the more peculiar folks in society around us for the greater part of my life.
And then, you know, it eventually developed to me getting this contract down at the South Paul Station for a year, which was, I guess, ultimately the most enlightening experiences that I've had direct first-hand contact with.
So I'm just trying to, I guess, connect all the dots on all the roads that I've been on and crossed and just paint a big picture of what's really going on in the world for everyone nowadays.
Because I'm sure, as you've noticed, things are not what they're being presented to us as.
And I think we, the people of this planet, are starting to awaken To the fact that things, I mean, I hate to be the bear of bad news, but they're a lot worse than we've been led to believe.
We're constantly being doled out these, you know, supposed dilemmas that more or less just divide us as a people when we should be working together to knock down the real problems that are in the world around us.
So, I guess I'm trying to shine a light on what's really going on.
And, you know, it's been a long walk, and I've been doing this for a few years now, and just trying to get folks like you to pay attention because, you know, there's a lot of people in the disclosure circles that have a lot of, I guess you would say, fantastical stories and speculations and ideas as to what's going on around us.
But in my experience, in trying to get the truth out, is I find that most of these factions are manufactured, you know, what are commonly called gatekeepers, folks that are pretending to get the truth out there when in reality, that's the opposite of what they're up to.
And I know this because I have direct firsthand experiences.
I have documented proof.
I have gone and testified for the Senate Intelligence Committee, for Arrow.
These are legitimate organizations doing legitimate work against a massive problem, which is misinformation, disinformation, and effectively the espionage game, both on a multinational level, but then also we can't forget that there's insane corporate interests going on around these topics.
So you said a lot there.
I want to even pull it back to Long Island, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations.
You know, for those that don't know, obviously Long Island is right next to New York City.
That's where the United Nations is.
That's also where a lot of the wheeling and dealing is.
We've been reporting that Bilderberg is going to be taking place in Madrid, Spain, starting on Thursday.
The Trilateral Commission is really a vision of Brzezinski and David Rockefeller for the Trilateral Commission.
Basically, they would not let the Asian and Japanese counterparts into Bilderberg in, I think it was 1973, and it was on a plane conversation.
These are documentations, that they decided to create the Trilateral Commission, all very, very influential networks.
Then you could talk about the military bases on Long Island and in that region.
And it gets really muddy there.
You know, you talked about whether people are legitimate whistleblowers or if they're in the misinformation and disinformation game.
I know a lot of people are familiar with the Montauk Boys story and things of that nature.
In fact, my good friends at Truthstream Media, they interviewed some of those individuals and went down to that military base.
Ultimately, they didn't end up using any of that for their film, The Minds of Men, but I got to see a lot of it and I thought it was super interesting.
I certainly think something went on there.
But I think when you get into the realm of quote-unquote black projects and you're talking about weapon systems, propulsion systems, when you are talking about drugs, mind control corporations, they all intermingle in this manner that there is a plausible deniability circle.
And there is, you know, very easy ways to manipulate information and throw disinformation into the mix that's going to really negate the credibility of all of it.
And obviously, this has been done purposely.
So when you see this arena, what are your thoughts on it?
How much of it is real?
I mean, we'll get to you in Antarctica and what you think was going on there.
Like you said, we haven't been told the truth for a very long time.
We really haven't had any super technological breakthroughs that we know of in propulsion, flight, etc., in weapon systems in space, in weapon systems, in submarines or in the water, et cetera, et cetera.
Or we haven't been told about them.
So what are your thoughts on that?
We just haven't been told.
There's a lot going on behind the scenes that the average mortgage payer is not privy to.
There's been massive gains in weapons platforms, submarine-based weapons, new DARPA submersible platforms that appear to be both submersible and have an aerospace capacity to them as well.
A lot of the information that I've divulged about what's going on at the South Pole station clearly indicates that there's a higher level of technology at play and people are not aware of what's going on around them.
I like to say that in the modern realm of war, the weapons are invisible and the walking wounded are right next to us all day long.
We're just not aware of what the wounds of modern weaponry is.
And the term that we need to get into our vernacular as fast as possible is directed energy weapons platforms.
That seems to be the nature of the beast contemporarily.
And we have, you know, here in the United States, at the very least, I can't speak for other countries, but here in the U.S., you know, our factions are taking measures to protect those in their employ because they're obligated to.
The Department of Defense has put out literature so that their employees know, you know, how to report a directed energy weapons attack on either themselves, family members, people close to them.
And it's not because these systems don't exist and aren't real.
It's because this is the nature of the beast contemporarily.
It's just spoken of few and far between.
So when we're talking about directed energy weapons, aren't we talking about also an array of different technologies and uses?
For instance, you just kind of alluded to the idea of targeted individuals.
We've had some mainstream stories over the past several years that have been reported and then contested about quote-unquote Havana syndrome.
We could also talk about directed energy weapons in the sense of space warfare, extensions of the Star Wars program, rods of God, et cetera, those type of things.
Let's separate the fact from the fiction.
What do you think are the viable uses that are being deployed?
And what documentation do we have on that?
Which whistleblowers should we trust?
We should trust the whistleblowers that come with verifiable truth and discount those that do not.
That's, I mean, the most reasonable and logical stance to have on this, because what you'll learn by doing things that way is that it's a perfectly good filter to expect people to back up what they say.
We have way too many folks just speculating now and trying to control the narrative with misinformation and disinformation.
So to me, it's very frustrating to watch the masses just, you know, eat what they're being served.
It's ridiculous to me.
I don't understand how people can just suck up the BS sandwich because it sounds cool.
It sounds like a Star Wars movie.
It's so fantastical.
A lot of it has to do with simply what we call savior programming.
There's a large fraction of our population by, I guess, many definitions that are just sitting around and waiting for someone else to come save them.
You know, oh, don't worry, it's the white hats and you got to follow the plan, you know, or, you know, or they're very religious and nothing matters because, you know, Jesus will save us.
You know, all of these things are very functional programs that are inculcated in society to keep us on our asses.
So let's talk about that for a second because I agree.
No one is coming to save you.
I always, you know, it's been my hashtag since I had a Twitter.
I think I got on 2010.
Be your own hero.
Because at the end of the day, you're the only one in control of your life and those around you.
Now, that doesn't mean that you can't get behind an agenda, a political movement, maybe even a candidate.
But when you start getting into the realms of Johnny nonsense and anonymous message boards, and especially the QA nonsense was the worst, trusting the plan.
Now, I grew up watching the X-Files for sure, and it was trust no one.
And, you know, I actually love the way that that show kind of turned in.
Was it aliens?
Is it aliens?
We don't know.
Black projects, disinformation, misinformation, even that final season where they came back after the fact.
I mean, that became super relevant during the COVID-19 44 nightmare when they were talking about things like biological weapons, et cetera, right?
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When we do look at the technologies out there, how much is hidden from the public arena when we're talking about military tech at this point?
Do you believe that we're seeing about, I don't know, 25, 30%?
You know, let me give you an example.
We've had commercialized holograms now for 15 years, right?
They started rolling them out on CNN.
Tupac would do a rap show at a thing.
Now, they were about 80% of the way there, right?
You could still tell it was a hologram and not exactly there.
I would assume, you know, in 15 years, everything seems to get better from the magic box to the graphics on our movies to the fact that we have text to prompt Sora, video manipulation, deepface right now.
So when we're talking about holographic technology, how far do you think we're along there?
And how is that being utilized by the military industrial complex?
I think at this stage of the game, we need to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
And the worst case scenario is this stuff's been mastered to a degree that we have not been informed yet.
And let's just presume that these mastered technologies have been applied for three decades.
You know, I mean, that's where we need to put our brains at is, you know, what nefarious things can be accomplished by abusing these technologies.
And then let's look around the world around us and look for signs of this having been ongoing for quite a bit, because I think that's the level of manipulation that our society is currently operating under that no one's paying attention to.
We're going to take a break when we come back.
I want to get into your Antarctic experience and what you saw there, what you witnessed, and to the best of your knowledge, what they were doing there.
We're going to take that break.
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And we are back.
We are with whistleblower Eric J. Hecker.
So let's get into it.
When were you deployed to the South Pole?
What was that experience like?
Before we even get to the whistleblown, like, how do you say, I'm going to take a job in the South Pole?
And then you go on that journey.
Most people have not gone on that journey.
You know, there are those that'll contest there's an ice wall.
And, you know, it's all an illusion.
You spent some time in the South Pole.
Take us on the path to getting there.
You got it.
It was quite the adventure in just getting there.
At the time, I was a resident of Long Island.
So we had to commute over to Colorado.
There was some training that we had to attend, some team building type stuff just to polish us up and get us ready for departure.
So training over in the Colorado area.
We then took a series of flights from Colorado to LAX.
LAX brought us over to Auckland, New Zealand, and then effectively to Christchurch, New Zealand, which is kind of the seat of the United States Antarctic Program over in New Zealand.
From there, you fly to McMurdo, which is a base on the coast.
I spent a very short period of time, I think less, maybe less than 12 hours in McMurdo, and then further south down to the South Pole station.
And, you know, you land in a Herc, the door opens, you're at 10,000 or 9,300 feet of elevation and 0% humidity, very low oxygen.
So it is, let's just say, a smack in the face of a new reality.
Disembarking that Herc and making the first walk from the skiway to the elevated station, your body's extremely taxed.
You can feel it immediately.
When I was getting off of the plane, they have all your bags lined up and grab your stuff.
And the idea is to walk to the elevated station.
And I remember the lack of oxygen and the atmosphere and all that stuff.
I mean, I was sucking wind.
I was having a hard time.
It was freezing cold.
I got all of this gear on.
And then I remember there was a gal who came walking from the elevated station.
This is someone who had wintered over, had been there for a year, and we're showing up like to change shifts, basically.
So this person who is acclimated to the cold weather, acclimated to the lack of oxygen, this girl comes over.
And I mean, I'm dying to try to lift up my bags.
And this girl came over and she just picked them up, put him right on her shoulders and just started humping them right over to the station.
And I went, oh, this is very humbling.
So now you get into the station.
There's this new reality that you're a part of.
When do you start to realize what you're working on?
I guess I had red flags knowing that I was employed by Raytheon.
So I knew to, you know, keep my eyes open, keep my ears open, pay attention that, you know, something was going to pop up eventually.
And I guess the first time that I could confirm that things were not as they seem was on a particular day I was looking to swap out a pump and I had to do some electrical work to get the power off of it, pull the pump out, do all that fun stuff.
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But in the process, I came across an electrical panel where I was going to do my isolation of the circuit, lockout, tag out, and all that.
There was a question as to the circuit that I was working on being properly identified.
So standard safety issue.
I had to check with my chain of command and get confirmation.
And in that process, I learned that the circuit next to mine in the panel, which was causing the confusion, which was energized, the confusion was it was a system that I was told was supposed to be off.
And that system was the ELF system, which is, you know, very much a military industrial complex system, a multifaceted directed energy weapons platform, to say the least.
So when I found out that that system was actually energized, and it was a very peculiar conversation that I had, and it was kind of like, you know, now that now that you know what this is, you know, your mission is accomplishable.
Your circuit has been identified.
So just do your job.
So it was kind of just, you know, shut up, get back on task and, you know, kind of pretend we never had this conversation.
But it's hard to forget things like that.
So when you say ELF, are we talking about an electronic light frequency machine?
Is that what we're talking about?
No, extreme low frequency.
It's an antenna array basically that works in both directions, both for receiving and transmitting.
It's my understanding that it's miles and miles and miles of wire embedded in the ice.
So it's a large antenna that for all practical purposes, we, the crew of the South Pole station, would have been riding on top of.
And that is not necessarily good for the crew in proximity.
So part of what I do is justice for the crew.
I mean, my crew has been negatively impacted by their proximity to these systems.
But we, like everyone else, are being lied to about what technologies we are in proximity to and what they can do.
So what do you think is going on there?
First of all, how much of a military presence is at the base you're on in the South Pole?
How much of a military array surrounds that?
In other words, how many other bases do you suspect are similar to that one or in conjunction?
Is there any competition from any other nation states out there?
Is there any cooperation?
And again, you talk about this antenna system, weapon system, energy system, both of those things at the same time, et cetera.
And then you talk about how many people are exposed.
How many people are on this base?
And like I said, are there surrounding bases, et cetera?
There were 49 people for my winter overseason.
There is nobody in proximity to us at the South Pole Station proper.
The systems themselves, I do suspect, or I do suspect are at other facilities as well, because it appears to be par for the course for these type of environments.
As far as the military presence goes, in the summer season, we are very much supported logistically by the United States military in a literal sense.
You can see it.
They're in uniform.
There are military planes, you know, C-17s, C-130s, all kinds of personnel coming and going.
In the winter season, we lose the visual, the uniformed personnel, but it is my knowledge that there are folks that are there not with their uniforms on.
I mean, there's nothing stopping someone from an alphabet agency, whether it's the CIA, the DIA, the FBI, the NSA.
They don't have to show up with their hat on representing their organization, but it's obvious that there's spooks in the mix and there's people there under false pretenses that certainly, yes, they can accomplish their primary mission.
Oh, I'm a satellite communications technician.
Okay, it's not possible that you work for the CIA as well.
I mean, do they really have to wear a t-shirt that identifies who they are?
I don't think so.
I think there's a lot more folks operating under false pretenses at the facility than is public.
So this kind of speaks to compartmentalization, black programs in general, and how they utilize this technology.
Now, in the private sector, again, you're working for Raytheon.
When I look at Raytheon, when I look at Lockheed Martin, when I even look at SpaceX, et cetera, I see basically the military arm of the military industrial complex undercover, right?
You know, I don't think we're going to the moon or Mars, especially with rocket technology, essentially, we've had since the 60s, you know, that we haven't seen any kind of uptick in that.
What we have seen is the deployment of different arrays and types of satellites.
Obviously, Starlink is being used as a communications system over in Ukraine and Russia, and that's what they're using to communicate with ghost and sidewinder drones.
At the same time, Starlink is launching the DARPA Blackjack program, which are the classified satellite programs.
And even Musk himself has now been commissioned to build the next quote-unquote spy satellite network.
Do you think that these energy systems, these antenna arrays, are communicating with those type of devices?
I think they would use similar secreted communication systems for whatever intel they're passing around.
But I believe that as a system themselves, they're independent in their function.
Now, you mentioned earlier that you've kind of blown the whistle for not only yourself, but your crew, because these type of arrays can be harmful to human beings.
Even today, we have a headline of a gentleman that worked at a couple of Area 52 bases that has now blown the whistle that he and others have developed tumors, but they cannot get the help they need from the U.S. military because their projects are not acknowledged.
Now, this is not only is it a huge slap in the face, it's a huge issue, right?
Why not just take care of these people?
Why allow them to come blow the whistle and not, I mean, is it more cost-effective to just let these people rot?
Yes, it is.
That's, I mean, it's, um, it would blow the plausible deniability cover.
Let's just say, for example, South Pole Station.
If they were to admit to the damaged crew, then they would have to admit to the source of the problem, which would then be admitting, you know, what they're up to, that these directed energy weapons platforms are up and running.
I mean, just this past May 8th, there was a meeting of the House Homeland Security Committee, where they brought forth witness testimony in regards to directed energy weapons platforms and what they're now calling anomalous health incidents, AHI.
They're already changing the terminology away from Havana syndrome.
This is the games that they play.
But contemporarily, directed energy weapons systems and anomalous health incidents were addressed on May 8th, now at the House Homeland Security Committee.
And basically, the people giving testimony, for all practical purposes, were almost speaking verbatim the testimony that I gave to the Senate Intelligence Committee in regards to what's really going on in the world around us.
They stated so much stuff that completely supported what I said because it's pretty much exactly what I said.
With the only caveat being is that they clearly stated, which was frustrating, but they stated to this committee that they have reports from people from every continent on the planet that have been victimized by this technology, they said, except for Antarctica, which was like, hello.
I mean, I'm pretty much literally the only person who's stated this and come out with proof of it.
So this is what I'm getting at, the frustration for years now of trying to bring this information to the forefront.
I mean, it's like whack-a-mole.
Every time I pop my head up, there's just people trying to beat me down and say, oh, you know, don't listen to that guy.
We're going to take a break.
How do we get around the whack-a-mole when we come back?
I mean, how are we effective in getting this message out there, not just in the court of public opinion, but in order to get some real action and accountability from our own government or military industrial complex?
I haven't seen much over the past several decades.
So I think that may be a problem.
We're going to get Eric's take after this.
More making sense of the madness.
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And we are back with Eric J. Hecker.
How do we get accountability?
I mean, we've got people like yourself.
You seem pretty credentialed.
You're able to go over the specifics.
I don't think you're making this story up.
You've had other individuals come forward, but we haven't seen any real accountability in the military-industrial complex.
I don't know really ever in my lifetime.
I always argue that, you know, Iran-Contro was the last time that we really had any kind of veil pulled back on these black projects and anybody successfully criminally prosecuted.
I mean, now we're talking about what, late 80s, early 90s?
That's a long time ago.
You also posit a lot of these technologies have more than likely been operational for three plus decades.
That takes us into the 90s with technologies like directed energy weapons, like space weapons, like submergibles, alternate propulsion systems, weapon systems, et cetera.
So, what is the, I mean, obviously, you're a part of this process and other people are trying to be a part of this process.
How do you hit the zeitgeist?
How do you get that accountability?
I think as far as we the people go, I think of the 1975 movie, The Network, where he says, you know, first you have to get mad.
I mean, we should be mad that we've been treated this way.
We should be mad that our friends, families, and loved ones are now suffering in this environment.
We should be mad that we've been lied to.
We should be mad that our government representatives have lost oversight of things that they're supposed to be maintaining, you know, for society.
That we should be mad about a lot of things and that anger should be directed appropriately to bring closure to these problems.
But instead, we are, as a society, led by the nose constantly to the next thing that we should focus our frustration on.
And that in and of itself is a tactic, is through the functional utilization of these technologies that I'm saying we're under threat from.
I mean, how easy is it for the people at the right level to simply dial a knob basically and say, you know, tomorrow we want everybody bickering about this topic?
I mean, we see it every single day.
The topic changes every day.
Where our focus is put is changed on us every day.
So the first thing that we have to do is get extremely unmanageable.
We have to stop following the direction.
We have to start being frustrated by those that are pushing us in this direction.
And we have to fight this incessant application of intention to divide us.
We just, it's a full court press now.
Everything we see in the mainstream media is about dividing us by stupid topics.
You know, it's just, but it works so well.
And people need to pay attention to the application of outside intent in their own environment, which unfortunately, because of these technologies that are available now, it goes right up to and including the privacy of your own head.
I mean, this is all under attack right now.
So, you know, you talked about turning a dial.
Now, now, some of that is kind of, you know, in regards to the fact that they can create an issue.
It can be the main talking points via the media.
They can have talking heads on both sides.
There'll be a conservative talking point, a liberal talking point, etc.
But when we are talking about this type of technology and we are talking about directed energy, we also are kind of talking about the ability to not only target one individual, but a large swath of the populace for whatever reasons necessary, whether to agitate that populace, make them more docile, etc.
And these have been discussed in military white papers for literal decades.
I mean, you're talking that post-World War II era.
Yeah, absolutely.
The work of Dr. James Giordano, there's a video that I can think of in 2018.
Went and spoke to the cadets at West Point.
Excuse me.
And the topic of his discussion was basically what these future leaders of our military will have to deal with in the battlefield of the future, which was high technology.
And as referred to in his conversation, it is the battlefield of the mind.
That these are the new systems that are intrusive to this point, to within the skull.
This is not great news, but something that we need to literally and figuratively wrap our heads around.
And in that lecture, I've watched it.
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He is discussing about bio-nanotechnology that is essentially not only injectable, but aerosolized.
So again, it could be sprayed.
We've had smart dust now on the record since the war of terror.
In fact, that's in NASA white papers from 2001, Future Strategic Warfare 2025.
It's actually written about extensively in Annie Jacobson's first platoon, where that technology was utilized.
And I talk about smart dust, and people are like, oh, you're in fairy tale land.
I'm like, no, there are books on it and white papers and we've used it.
And a lot of that technology, I would argue, was kind of beta tested during the war of terror.
So if you look at what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, we took everybody's biometric information when we took those things.
Now that's the norm.
They're talking about utilizing that with cryptocurrencies and UBIs, et cetera, a track trace database on another level.
The drone technology was really grown there.
The robot dogs were also utilized there as well.
And this is all on the public face that now has a consumer level.
Now you can buy a robot dog for $70,000 and it'll dance K-pop for you.
Awesome.
I mean, that's what they've done.
They've normalized a lot of this.
And when you talk about, you know, technology with the brain, the normalization of that seems to be coming in the form of Neuralink and looking to the hero Elon Musk.
And again, this is old DARPA technology.
We've had human-brain interfaces for decades.
So why do you think that they're pushing that in general?
Do you think they want people to acclimate and accept it so that eventually when they realize it's been utilized on a much more micronized level, they'll just, you know, it's like the next thing.
It's like, oh, well, you know, it's the next apathetic moment where I guess I can't do anything about it.
Yeah.
I mean, this is what they do all day long.
I mean, it's only a few years ago, right?
People probably don't even realize this.
But when drone technology first came out, it was banned in the United States because everybody understood, well, these are weapons of war.
I mean, we would only have drones flying over an area that we would want to destroy, that drones are, you know, military industrial complex weaponry.
So of course we can fly our weapons in other countries, you know, to promote our democratic way of, I mean, this is what we were all presented at the onset.
But now look how far that line has moved.
Are drones currently banned in the United States of America?
No, they even tried to roll out the robot dogs during COVID-19 in New York City.
Right.
I mean, so everything, it's everything's a lie.
Everything is not what they're doing right now.
It's a step to the next step.
And they're conditioning us like crazy to accept.
I mean, imagine if Hitler was in charge of the country right now.
Look at the toolkit that he would have available to him.
And would people be concerned about the amount of access that Adolf Hitler would have to them through the digital toolkit that exists?
And then, you know, when we think about it that way, is the leadership that we have contemporarily any better to us than if Adolf Hitler was here?
I don't know that they are, and I don't know that they have been for a very long time.
I mean, even when you look at, you know, the Bush family and how they came up, Prescott Bush in particular, I mean, there's Nazi funding before and after the war, Harriman Brothers banking, the fact that our military industrial complex is essentially built from the ground up on fallen Nazis, whether it be NASA, for instance, or other institutions within our intelligence community.
That's a reality.
I mean, you look at Werner von Braun and a lot of people don't want to, you know, so they have that toolkit, unfortunately.
We're going to take a break.
You know, you talked about digital.
I want to get into AI, where you think it really is and what that's going to mean for the military industrial complex and whistleblowers at this point, if anything can be faked.
We're not just talking about documents now.
We're talking about photos, video evidence, and more.
Is that going to blur the line?
Even further with Eric J. Hecker back after this with more making sense of the madness.
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Let's talk AI.
That is the buzz of the day.
GPT-40 just launched.
It's a creep fest like something out of the movie her.
I'd say we're about 10% away from not being able to discern whether or not that's a human being.
I would obviously believe the military industrial complex in some regard has already had this AI at that level and beyond for some time.
Where do you think the military industrial complex is with AI?
Do you have any firsthand knowledge of how it's maybe being utilized behind the scenes?
Because we already know it's being used to target individuals in warfare now openly.
The lavender system in the Middle East is just one example.
And what does AI mean for the future of whistleblowers?
Because we're going to get some really convincing UFO videos, maybe even some EBEs, extraterrestrials, exotic technology, you name it.
And it's all going to be AI generated.
You know, we've already seen a lot of that stuff over the past couple of decades.
You know, I'll be scrolling or I'll be watching late night American Heroes channel or the history channel, which is now just the Ancient Aliens Network.
And I'll see something like of these supposed aliens going to DC that was debunked 10 years ago.
That's okay, CGI.
And they'll be like, we just don't know.
And I'll be like, no, that's been debunked.
If you're in a barrage of this stuff, you're now in this post-truth world where nothing can be verified.
And God forbid, somebody genuine comes out with some kind of evidence.
They'll go the other direction and just go CGI deepfake.
Yeah, I mean, that is the current state of the union.
The technology that exists, I mean, you have editing software programs like DaVinci Resolve, which is, you know, available to everybody.
And it's also available to Hollywood.
And Hollywood uses DaVinci Resolve.
And I don't think that there's anything that you can think of that you can't manufacture in DaVinci Resolve.
So, you know, right off the bat, you know, everything can be fabricated.
And we're in a position right now, which I believe we're being set up for.
Like the sign behind me here says, you know, COINTELPRO owns UFology.
But are people even aware nowadays what COINTELPRO is?
My audience is.
Fair enough.
But most people are not.
And, you know, when I do get, when I tell people about the UFO arena, and, you know, this was something that I was into as a very little kid.
For instance, if you remember the Time Life series, read the book Ancient Mysteries.
I've got a couple of them over there.
But that was my first introduction into the realm.
And then obviously, as cable expanded, there was more and more of the internet.
Oh, my goodness.
One of the first things that I did was I went and I got the famed majestic 12 documents that were said to be a fraud.
I wanted to see it from every direction, right?
And I tell people to check out a film called Mirage Men because Mirage Men, I don't know if you've seen it, but it really does lay out individuals and one person in particular story, Richard Doty, where you really see the Cointel Pro aspect of this and how they utilize this alien narrative to cover up black projects and really make anybody who gets even a whiff of what's really going on go insane.
You know, ruin them financially, get them to buy into false narratives.
If you haven't seen it, I think it's still free on YouTube with ads, but it's an excellent thing.
Doty is one of those guys that openly says he worked with the government in disinformation, but he saw the alien bodies.
He sees and contemporarily says, but I'm no longer with them anymore.
And now I'm telling the truth.
And that seems to be what disclosure is awash with right now: is all of these guys that straight up confess to having ties with the U.S. federal government in regards to being, you know, counterintelligence, counter-espionage.
Okay.
And you're going to what?
Risk your retirement to break away from them right now?
What a load of crap that is.
This is exactly who we should be concerned about.
Is Doty a fountain of information or is he a fountain of misinformation?
That's up to the people to learn to discern, but they seem to be failing at it.
Well, again, I think that's you kind of have to get into the weeds, right?
And you have to actually want to sit down and do your own research.
And that's been demonized.
Now, if you do your own research, you're a domestic terrorist and a white supremacist and a bigot.
So you're not supposed to do those things.
You're supposed to let the mainstream media set the narrative.
And then I also think that certain people that get into this arena, they already have a mindset of what they believe because what they've seen.
And they're only searching out information that is going to confirm that, giving them more and more confirmation bias.
And then.
And unfortunately, they don't even actually have any supporting information.
They just have more and more speculation.
So as an example, the arena that I'm in, right, I'm trying to discuss truth in what's going on in Antarctica, okay?
I have found myself amongst a sea of liars and disinformationists that are attempting to control the narrative of what's going on in Antarctica.
And these are people that for the most part have zero experience in the topic, but yet they will tell you they have a whistleblower that can say what's going on down there and that they read a book on what's going on down there.
But none of these people, as far as I'm concerned, who are they to even be in a position to judge the veracity of a whistleblower from Antarctica or the experiences or what's written?
These people don't have what Heidegger called Dassine.
They don't have the firsthand experience to know any better themselves.
So this is kind of what motivates me to come out because I see the people getting bamboozled by these folks that have no idea, but seem to have a very vested interest in controlling the topic.
So from my perspective, I come out, I have verifiable documented information.
I have firsthand testimony.
I have other people that can support and corroborate the information that I have presented.
I've given testimony to Washington, D.C.
But yet these other folks are trying to constantly bring the topic of Antarctica back to sensational, unprovable stuff.
And I would say that that is activity on behalf of factions with intentions that don't want the actual truth getting out.
If these people were actual Antarctic researchers, they would be taking my information and putting it on a pedestal, not trying to brush it under the carpet.
So to me, in the grand scheme of modern warfare, I just see who my enemies are, and that's fine.
Well, I'll tell you what, we got to take one more break.
When we come back, I want to talk about some possible agents of disinformation, misinformation that may not even know that they are.
They may actually be well-meaning and thinking they're getting the real information to the public, but that's anything but the truth.
Final segment of making sense of the madness after this.
And we are back with Eric J. Hecker.
And let's just throw a couple names out there.
I'm going to start with rock stars.
Tom DeLong.
I love Blink 182.
Fun stuff.
DeLong's actually a pretty smart guy.
I've listened to him on several podcasts.
He's pointed me in the direction of, I think, Douglas MacArthur White Papers, you know, really interesting stuff.
But at the same time, I think that he was taken through the ringer with his To the Stars Academy from members in the military industrial complex.
And when you saw those DNC leaked emails, John Podesta in particular.
John Podesta is not to be trusted on anything.
He has an extremely nefarious past, not only in politics, but if you follow some of those emails, it seems to be some other dark things as well.
But yet you have this guy that has means and an audience because he is a celebrity.
He already has a narrative in his head of what these things are.
And now he's talking to insiders and they're confirming his bias.
And that's a problem.
And let's take it to another extreme.
David Grush.
I don't know David Grush personally, okay?
But every time I've seen David Grush, he looks emotional.
He looks like he's just ready to believe anybody.
Who knows what military personal personnel have told him?
Who knows what he's actually seen?
But as I've seen, he has no firsthand knowledge of any of these programs, of any of the EBEs that he's talked about.
And he's taking eyewitness testimony or people that have worked on these projects from an internal military investigation.
Why wouldn't these people be feeding him disinformation as part of the program and he be the mouthpiece for that disinformation?
I mean, whenever someone sends me a video of Grush, and I've watched his interviews, I go, he's literally got firsthand knowledge of nothing on this.
And he seems like an emotional wreck all the time, like the easiest type of person to manipulate.
What are your thoughts on Grush?
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What are your thoughts on DeLong?
I agree on both.
I think DeLong was probably just manipulated from the front end and just didn't have the wherewithal to pay attention to how he was being handled.
As far as Grush goes, I mean, I couldn't agree more again, because if you pay attention to the timeline from which he got dropped to the public, it was immediately on the heels of this disclosure event that I attended last June for Dr. Green in Washington,
D.C., where myself and a fistful of other whistleblowers with direct first-hand experience went to Washington, D.C. and gave testimony both publicly and in the skiff compartments for both the Senate Intelligence Committee and Arrow.
Stuff that, you know, he's been asking for, but was denied, which is interesting to me because I found it hilarious when the Senate Intelligence Committee wanted me to go into a skiff to say stuff that I'd already said publicly.
And now here you have Grush speaking publicly saying, but I don't want to speak publicly.
I want to speak in a skiff.
Well, what the hell is going on?
You either want the people to have the information or you are guarding something for someone.
So I feel that that's where I show up diametrically opposed to almost everybody in the disclosure community because I'm coming guns ablazing with my own direct first-hand experience and kicking in the doors of those that keep continually attempting to compartmentalize all of this.
So I'm sick and tired of people closing doors and discounting the truth.
I've been in this game for a long time.
It's kind of what I expect.
I remember watching the very first disclosure thing at the National Press Club.
I think all the way back in 2000, it might have been 2001, but I know it was prior to 9-11.
And I thought that some of the people were very direct.
They had the firsthand knowledge.
They were giving their accounts.
Others, I was a little bit more dismissive of.
Who are some of the other whistleblowers?
As you said, there's probably only a handful of them out there that we should be paying attention to and looking at their stories.
Wow.
I guess Colonel Heckert was another gentleman from the disclosure event, and he was an SR-71 Blackbird pilot.
So he's another person with direct first-hand.
And SR-71s, by the way, everybody, it's now declassified.
You can watch the old people working at Lockheed Martin.
You can actually watch video footage of UFOs that were side by side that were SR-71s back in the day.
And isn't the SR-71, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the last declassified jet propulsion project that we really know about?
Or is it the, or is it we get to the 90s when they show us the stealth bomber, but we still don't know the entire story behind the stealth bomber?
I'm pretty sure the SR-71 is the only one that's kind of been declassified top to bottom.
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that the technology has been declassified, but not necessarily the missions.
And I would suggest that, you know, the war platforms that we see contemporarily, like the stealth bomber and stuff, they do a lot more than what we're told.
There's a lot more technology going on than what we're told.
So these are, again, considerations is, you know, how far off the mark is our believed perspective of reality from the reality that we've been presented.
You know, what else is really going on?
And that's that's the complexity of it.
This is why we need to fight to get through these gatekeepers, through these compartments, through these misinformation either specialists or if we want to be nice about it, that they're just slaves to a system like COINTELPR.
And they're just, you know, they're not high enough caliber people to care.
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I mean, a lot of these people are, you know, enamored by the camera and the microphone and the lifestyle that it provides them.
That that's, you know, I think of like Ben Franklin when he said way back when that we can't have any politician provide for their family from the monies that come from the political office or they're already corrupted.
And the idea being is that he wanted people to be high caliber professionals that weren't endeared to the office so they wouldn't be corrupted.
I think a lot of people in the disclosure circles have become so endeared to their position as a primary role of income that they're wholly corrupted because they need to get the next scoop and they need to get the next scoop more than they need that scoop to be accurate.
And, you know, again, I've been in this arena for a very long time.
I see it in the alternative media.
I was around when influencers weren't a thing, but now that's the big thing.
And a lot of it is about clout fame, unfortunately, and not about the truth getting out to the masses.
We got a couple minutes left in the broadcast.
What would you like to leave the audience with?
And tell them about deciphering.tv.
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So I hope everybody comes to check it out.
I want to maintain a voice of freedom in this world.
And it's unfortunate.
I'm sure you've come to conclude that freedom is no longer free in our society.
So I am investing of my own free will and accord into a platform that allows me to speak in an uncensored capacity.
I invite people to join me there.
I intend on having other people join the platform because I see that this is the primary problem right now is this lack of truth.
So I believe that people need to do more to dig for the truth, to put some effort into it, to do some homework on connecting the dots and then share that information.
As you can see, there's a fight now and these platforms, they're not going to make it without support.
So, you know, whoever you're following, whoever you think is doing due diligence to get the truth out there, folks, do what you can to help move that information around because that's the key to freedom in the modern world is going to be learning how to discern between the good intel and the bad intel.
I'm a big preacher of having discernment.
Listen to everybody, see both sides, every side, and then you got to use your own brain based on the evidence surrounding you and the prior evidence, etc.
Discernment's a huge thing.
Eric J. Hecker, a pleasure.
Thank you so much.
And thank you guys for watching me right here at Patriot.tv Monday through Friday, where the truth lives.
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It is always about right and wrong.
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Hey, everybody, Jason Burmes here, letting you know that making sense of the madness is changing for a bit.
Soon enough, we're going to be moving to a more commentary-driven show, which airs live on my socials.
Now, we hope to get some minor sponsors at $1,000 a piece each month and move it back in the direction of what you just saw with those great interviews with people who have done deep research.
Now, until then, I really do need your support individually as well.
Consider donating via the links down below, especially the buy me a coffee, $5, $10, $15.
It does mean the world to me, and it keeps this broadcast moving.