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Feb. 24, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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COVID1984 An Origin Story
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We have a great show lined up for you today.
We are going to go deep into the COVID-1984 nightmare, the current narratives, the past narratives, and really the truth that needs to come out, the lies that need to be challenged, with John Fleetwood, an expert on the subject.
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So, John, I wanted to get into really everything COVID-1984.
We met now, it's probably over a year ago, maybe closer to two at this point.
Time flies when you're having fun.
But, you know, one of the things that I've been really adamant about and continue to be adamant about is that from the very beginning...
When we looked at this virus, it was not a natural virus.
Once the sequencing came out, and especially the revelation of the, I think it was the 12-sequence DNA nucleotide that was identical to HIV, that was in.
You really didn't need anybody else to tell you anything.
And then the narrative was, well, this lab leak.
From the very beginning, you were not allowed to say that this thing was created and then distributed.
Or purposely released, etc.
That's never been a part of the vast majority of not only the mainstream narrative but even the alternative narrative when we're trying to dunk on others.
Now, even Trump, during Trump 1.0, the China virus, when in fact we've had more than enough revelations that this is not just China.
This is the United States.
This is Chapel Hill.
This is universities in New York.
This is privatized companies like EcoHealth.
These are government organizations like DARPA, BARDA, even the Department of Energy when I put the screws to even Andrew G. Huff who did The Truth About Wuhan and kind of teeters on that idea of a lab leak or a possible distribution.
So I went on my little rant there.
First of all, let everybody know Who you are, how you came into this, and what you believe the reality behind the true narrative is.
Yeah, and Jason, thank you so much for having me.
I think the last time we spoke, we were at the Reawaken America tour.
I think it was in Vegas.
And we talked a little bit about BlackRock and the World Economic Forum and that whole cabal.
Well, yeah, I'm a news editor by trade.
At the very start of the pandemic, I worked for a news organization called American Faith, and I was able to focus on the peer-reviewed studies coming out from PubMed that were showing the negative effects of the COVID vaccine.
So while the mainstream media would only show you the studies promoting the vaccine, I was an editor with a team of writers under me who my founder allowed me to focus on getting the peer-reviewed publications coming out from very prestigious I was an editor with a team of writers under me who my founder allowed me to focus Founder allowed me to focus on getting the peer-reviewed publications coming out from very prestigious journals that were going against the mainstream narrative.
So I did that from the very start of the pandemic.
And then doing that, we brought that organization up to about three and a half million content impressions per month.
We had hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
So it was really resonating with people.
And Jason, I focused on, like you, focusing on the nitty-gritty, but giving it to people, and the truth, but giving it to people in a non-hyperbolic way.
I tried to be like what everybody thinks associated press is, that they just kind of give you the facts.
When you and I both know, they're just a propaganda arm for the globalists.
And by the way, I think there's a way to pierce that even further now that people are realizing that, say, Reuters was not only being funded by USAID, but if you look at that document, it literally says to socially engineer the populace.
And the word deceive is used.
I mean, I don't know about you, but lies don't make friends.
And you're supposedly run down – when you say Associated Press, the other one that comes to mind is Reuters, right?
And again, you find out that they're getting – They're getting funding to socially engineer and deceive the populace.
That's your grade-A news organization, everybody.
It's absurd.
And you should trust them when they say that.
When it's to deceive, they actually mean it's to deceive.
And when Bill Gates says he can lower the population by 10-15% at a TED Talk, you should believe him.
When they say these things, we should really believe them.
Just because you brought that up, number one, I couldn't agree more.
But my last documentary film, which is now, I can't believe it, well over a decade old, it'll be, geez, it'll be 12 years old that I released it in April.
I have a 20-minute section on Gates, that TED Talk, where he literally, he not only says that, but then he puts up an equation with smiling people's faces on it.
And it's a multiplication equation.
Now...
He literally says when he's talking about carbon and populace and carbon per people that they have to get down to zero with one of these numbers.
And then, you know, in that film...
And the crowd laughs.
Well, they laugh when he talks about releasing the mosquitoes.
And the GMO mosquitoes, which eventually actually get released.
I warned everybody.
But, like, the big one was the multiplication thing.
And for me...
You know, this was the first time that I didn't do narration.
So I, like, interviewed myself.
You know what I mean?
That type of thing.
I do the actual in-your-face numbers.
And I go, just so everybody understands, one times zero equals zero.
A hundred times zero equals zero.
I go, if one of these numbers actually goes to zero...
That means there's no human life or biological life on the planet, everybody.
That's right.
And it's...
I mean, he literally puts it up in front of everybody.
Woo!
All right.
I ranted.
I raved.
Continue.
Well, it's a great point.
And I don't...
They should not do this.
Nobody should do this.
But if you just stay purely philosophical with it, purely philosophical, no action.
We're just talking philosophical.
If you really believe...
That the population of the world needs to be lowered, otherwise some sort of cataclysmic event is going to happen.
Why don't you start with yourself?
I mean that philosophically.
I don't think Bill Gates should commit suicide.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying philosophically, if you follow out their own reasoning and they think the population needs to be lowered, why do they only think it's us, you know, the poor proletariat?
Why take us out?
Why don't they start with themselves?
And let me just say this.
One of the big lies around a carbon footprint, just again, on its face, permafascia, is the military-industrial complex and warfare.
What do you think the carbon footprint of one ICBM is, everybody?
If they're really so worried about the planet, then why are we using weapons that literally, literally put off more carbon than an entire city would in its lifetime?
One.
And they have no problem with depleted uranium and a slew of other things that aren't carbon, which is what biological life is based on.
And you know what's really crazy?
Those bombs take care of that type of carbon in a very efficient manner by vaporizing it.
So think again on its face.
If John Kerry's so worried, why wasn't he advocating to get out of Iraq a little bit harder from the beginning or not go there in the first place?
It's because it's total and complete Johnny nonsense.
Go ahead, John.
It has nothing to do with health.
The green push, it has nothing to do with being good for the environment, being good for plants, being good for animals.
It has everything to do with money and enriching the military-industrial complex, as you say.
But that's what we tried to do at American Faith, was we tried to get those truths out to people and just do it accurately.
Be relevant with the information that we're giving people and then be clear about it.
So we got successful at that and then I thought I'd decide to do this on my own and I've been able to kind of take the leash off a little bit more and really follow after the stories that I think are important.
And I think what's important for people to understand, especially if we start talking about drones, because that's what we're actually talking about, is that it's not that this thing was accidentally released on people.
And, you know, there was gain-of-function, and this thing just kind of escaped somehow.
What we're talking about is an actual deployment of a pathogen onto...
Hold on, hold on, you're being way too nice.
You're a pathogen.
No.
We're talking about not only that, but the deployment and then seeding of a bioweapon globally.
Now, your hypothesis, and I think it's a legitimate one, we're going to get into it, is drones, much because in their own paperwork all the way back in 2018 when they were proposing things to the good people at DARPA that helped create.
The mRNA Adept and Protect Project with Moderna, they talk about aerosolization and mass deployment and specifically not just other biological life but human.
But I got news for everybody.
When you are deploying a bioweapon that is bio-nanotech and it is aerosolized and you are doing so in an open environment, It's everything.
It's everything.
These people are that cavalier that they've put it on paper.
And for those that doubt that this would be done in America to Americans, again, please go watch my film, Shade the Motion Picture, the very same film where I call out Gates.
I show you actual video of it that's been declassified of populations in this country.
Being sprayed with radioactive cadmium sulfate.
And that's not all.
They didn't just do it with planes in the air, you know, and they were, you know, just no big deal.
They actually distributed in poor areas from rooftops and station wagons on the outskirts of St. Louis, Missouri.
Now I want that.
That's what we know about.
And that happened in the 70s, the 50s through the 70s, really.
But we know it happened as late as that.
Again, to say that this is without precedent would be a falsehood.
And the other thing that I think is really interesting to me is that we now have so many, not only military industrial complex companies, but pseudo government agencies and corporations that are directly involved that this doesn't necessarily have to be a quote unquote but pseudo government agencies and corporations that are directly involved that this This doesn't have to be a nation state.
When we talk about cabals, you know, I'm not saying like the W.E.F., for instance, has their own drone system and deployment system.
But you bet your ass that about 25 people attending it are connected and work for organizations that do have that capability.
Don't they, John?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
People...
You know, because what we're saying here is that it wasn't an accidental leak, but this was done intentionally, that the release was done intentionally, and not just in America, but all across the world.
So the pandemic was not just man-made, but in the sense that we did the gain of function, and then something that we made accidentally got out, but that they actually released it intentionally, but not only that.
And seeded it, John!
And here's the deal.
When we talk about it...
It sounds crazy to say these were drones that were used to disperse this substance.
And what substance it was is hard to tell from these documents because they're redacted and they use different terminology that we can get into in a little bit.
But it's not just that this was released from a drone.
It's that this thing, it could have been not just a vaccine, spraying a vaccine over people.
And we're not just saying that it could have maybe been a pathogen, but it could have been a self-spreading vaccine.
And we can get into that, too.
Well, we have to get into that because, again, self-replicating bio-nanotech has now been around for a very long time.
It's never been widespread or commercialized.
And I think one of the main things, again, that people miss on this idea that this thing was released and seeded globally is that if you look at the real facts, It didn't just enter the world in January in China.
It was in the United States in October, maybe even September.
That's what the real evidence shows.
And remember, the season before the flu globally disappeared, we were having the worst flu season in the country.
They're trying to hype this flu season as the worst one in 28 years.
No, go back!
To the flu season in that 2019 prior to Wuhan, people were walking around like zombies.
We're going to get into that, those narratives, and really, again, the technology, not only of the virus itself that we know, that hands down we know was biologically engineered in labs, no question, but then really this idea of self-spreading.
BioNanotech.
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All right, John, let's continue to talk about this because, again, you also look at the timeline of how the global preparations happen.
And if it is in the United States in October, right, because that's really, when you see it, if it just got there in China in January and then Europe a month later, that's not the way, first of all, viruses dissipate.
They don't get stronger.
And they kept hyping on it being stronger.
And the fact of the matter is, the way they tell it, as soon as you hit a Grand Central Station, a JFK airport, and then you're in Chicago, it's game over.
It's everywhere, right?
Let's be honest with ourselves.
And yet, that's not the narrative.
They hyped it up for months and then weeks, really in that March run before lockdown started in New York, where, again, it was clearly there.
For months and months and months, I lived in New York.
I can tell you right now, I've never seen people sicker that flu season in November and December prior.
I mean, just hands down, everybody.
People were really laid up.
You look at all that, and then you also look at that Event 201 takes place.
And they kind of drill everything out in New York City.
They even have a little plushy coronavirus.
Can't make this up.
For the kids.
It's all for the kids.
I mean, we'll get into Sesame Street later if you like.
And then they build off that narrative.
If you watch that drill, other than the massive deaths that they perform, everything else is pretty spot on, on how they lock everything down, they redistribute everything, they give really only a vaccine.
It is the thing that they're talking about through the entire thing.
The lockdowns, etc.
So what are your thoughts on that aspect of it?
The programming and then the narrative that starts to come into play in January.
Because even in January, I didn't think that it was going to get here.
Because it had originated in China.
Again, we just had a big flu season.
I know the videos of the people dropping dead were scaring people.
But I mean, when you started looking at it really ramp up.
All those Iranians were killed.
I doubt that was COVID. You remember that?
The whole Iranian, like, half of their executive branch just dropped dead within a week and they were blaming that on COVID. They were building mass graves, etc.
There was a lot of hype surrounding it before it officially hits the U.S. What's the real story behind what you think is the release and seed of this virus?
Well, there's more questions after diving into...
Diffuse, you bring up a good point about the timing because there had always been a question in my mind, Jason, tell me if you had this cognitive dissonance like I did.
Because at the beginning of the pandemic, it looked like to us there was no virus and they were just kind of making it up.
And like I just saw a video of, remember we'd see people dressed up in that.
Like, protective gear, and they'd be, like, cleaning stuff in the streets.
But it would really just be a photo op.
You know, somebody walking by on the street just starts recording them, and they're just doing it for a photo op.
They weren't really even cleaning anything.
The guy would go down, pretend like he was cleaning, and his little helper would take a picture of him, and then they'd move away.
They didn't really clean anything.
It was just for photo ops.
So people like you and me, with a critical eye, saw that and thought, they're just making this up.
And then, you know, the symptoms weren't so bad.
And then it looked like they were just saying that maybe the flu.
Because remember, the flu numbers went down, but COVID went up.
So that made us think, oh, well, they're just calling this COVID thing COVID, but it's actually the flu.
But then you've got guys like Dr. Richard Bartlett, who I know you guys are buddies, who said that he'd never seen anybody sick like this before.
And I trust Bartlett with my life.
And so the question is, was this a really scary bioweapon?
You've got this camp that insists it was this bioweapon and very deadly.
But then you've got another camp that's saying, well, it was just the flu.
Now, I have an interesting connection in the diffuse doctrine.
Well, John, let me just break that up for you really quickly.
Because first of all, I do think you end up with two things with the testing.
Obviously, I don't think the flu disappears.
You know, they want to get as many cases as possible.
But bringing back up that time period, all right?
In late October, you know, I helped take care of my nieces.
At the time, we were living in a duplex.
They were downstairs.
Two nieces, my sister, myself.
My one niece gets extremely sick.
She's crying.
It's the end of October, crying in bed.
I mean, never seen her this sick.
She wants a hug.
I didn't want to give it to her.
Had to do it.
You buckled down.
Now, my sister had already been sick, not as bad as her.
The other kid got kind of sick, not as bad as her.
By the beginning of November, all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe right.
This was a really weird thing for me because I just turned 40. I thought things maybe were slowing down.
I had felt a little bit lethargic, but I'm a big weed smoker, especially blunts, and I had to change the type of cigar because I couldn't inhale it.
Another really weird thing in retrospect, for about a three-day period when this began, I remember going into the pizza place where I used to work and frequent and grabbing a piece of pizza, and I just tasted nothing but wet cardboard.
And I'm like, what is this?
And now again, this is in November beforehand, and that lasted about three days.
I didn't mask up.
I kept leaving my house.
Again, when I told everybody that I'd seen all these people really sick, I had not put together those symptoms until all of a sudden they were talking about the losing your taste thing.
I'd never lost my taste in my life.
Not only did I have that happen with my lungs, but that persisted and other health problems arose, even with my overall health and prostate, which had never happened before.
And now we're in New York and no one wants to see me.
I don't have insurance.
It was the biggest deal to just try to get into a doctor's office.
And by the time I did, I kind of got in there rogue because a friend of mine worked there.
They ended up testing me for STDs.
And I'm like, guys, it's been COVID now for several months.
I've already been on a cold streak.
That's not why I'm here.
Not why I came.
Eventually...
I end up leaving New York, and the one doctor that actually listens to me ends up giving me antibiotics.
But I'm on those all the way through July, and still nothing.
I'm still having all these things.
People, again, said that long COVID wasn't real.
Well, I felt fine, but my lungs sure didn't.
Everything ends up kind of clearing on its own by about August after the fact.
Now, to me, again, my lived experience tells me that something was different.
And I had people that worked down in the hospitals.
They were my old bartenders, etc.
I understand why some people take that position because, again, I traveled the country.
It was very different in a South Dakota or an Iowa where I ended up than a New York or a California.
And some of that is...
Narrative and fear-based and wrong diagnosis.
But clearly to me, especially being where I was, I wasn't in New York City, but I live in this town that's a state school where all the kids are from Long Island or New York City.
And there's plenty of those throughout the state, everybody.
I mean, they have the SUNY program.
A lot of people do that.
You're talking about an area that has 10 million people and then the rest of the state has 10 million people.
That's massive.
I saw it with my own eyes.
You know what I mean?
I saw something very different from the decades before because I've seen bad flu season.
So to me, the virus is very real.
I know people will contest me on that.
But again, when you look at the sequencing again of the HIV and then you look at the hate and lies shot that they produced also with a sequence of HIV, they kind of interconnect, don't they, John?
I think so.
I came out of it.
Thinking it's a little bit of everything.
Yes, there was a bioweapon, but there was also the media hype.
I don't think it's one or the other.
I think it's a both and.
And so if you're looking at it from a perspective where you're seeing more of the media hype and you're not seeing as much of the carnage and the infections, then you might lean toward, oh, the whole thing is just fake.
They're just using flu numbers.
But then on the other side of it, if you're like a Bartlett, where You're an emergency room director, so you're seeing sick people all the time, and you're seeing the effects of that bioweapon.
Then you're going to probably lean more toward the theory that, no, this isn't media hype.
This is definitely a bioweapon they hit us with.
I think it's both and.
And then maybe throw in the 5G aspect of it.
Have you dug into that aspect of it?
Because there's a whole camp out there of the people who don't buy the mainstream media narrative that this was just purely...
The deployment of 5G. Sure, let me answer that for people, at least from my perspective, okay?
Number one, I think that 5G is something, first of all, it hasn't been the full deployment that has been the vision of these people a decade plus back.
I just want to put that out.
Even with the fast deployment during COVID-1984, which I'll be honest, I had never seen.
That type of deployment of any type of technology.
Again, I talk about being in upstate New York.
Well, I'm talking about outside of Cooperstown.
Where I went to high school, I graduated with 54 kids.
We've got Amish people there.
My brother had never seen so many 5G towers or any type of technology.
It was literally being put up during this time period.
My research into 5G definitely shows that it has a penetrative quality to the dermal level of human beings that other type of radiation or other type of communications, a.k.a.
3G, 2.4 GHz, etc.
Even the 5 GHz on your Wi-Fi router does not have.
Now, as far as technological applications to that, all I say is this to people.
There are...
Entirely invisible spectrums to the human everything.
The way we're communicating right now is on basically magic airwaves at an incredible rate where there's almost no delay, right?
That's incredible.
Think about our television.
Think about even radio stations, etc.
NASA this year in August discovered a force, an invisible electromagnetic force as important as gravity.
Remember, trust the science, everybody.
Science didn't come to us until 2024, okay?
So again, the idea that these spectrums have not been manipulated on some level.
In fact, one of the things that I've shown on my show before is just through the Wi-Fi...
Bands in radiation, tapping into that, you can surveil an entire facility for what it bounces off of.
So in other words, they'll see it almost like a predator style, right?
So you'll be walking around.
All that technology is extremely real.
Now, at the same time, I do think that you look historically, even when power lines were deployed initially, you do have a segment of the populace that does get kind of sick.
I think that's on a micro level.
Who knows?
Maybe David Icke is going to prove me wrong.
But at the same time, you know, well, listen, I love Icke.
I've come around on Icke big time.
But, you know, back in the day with the Anunnaki and the lizard people, you got to understand, John, I've been doing this 20 plus years, you know, before the flat earth thing and all that other stuff.
That was the big battle.
Like, I'd come on and they'd be like, do you believe in lizard people?
And I'd be like, oh my god.
I'm trying to talk about 9-11 here.
You want to talk about lizard people.
Thanks a lot, David Icke.
But again, David has...
What's that?
Oh, you hit 9-11.
I was going to ask if you think that'll be part of this cachet that comes out with JFK. I don't know if it'll come out this time, but I will say this.
And you know what, Paul?
We've got to get him on.
I'm going to talk to my producer about it.
We've got to get Kurt Weldon on.
I mean, that's how I made my bones.
Those are my first documentary films.
Loose Change Final Cut and Fabled Enemies.
And Kurt Weldon, who is...
A former congressman.
He was one of the only guys to come out and talk about Able Danger, where they identified a bunch of the cells prior.
They'd been following them.
You know, the big rub is everybody.
Most of these guys were trained on U.S. military bases and protected by the CIA and the FBI, just so everybody knows.
And this program basically doesn't even get a mention.
In the 9-11 commission report, which was a complete whitewash.
Weldon just went on Jimmy Dore, beat Red Face.
He could have played the Hulk in the new Avenger movie for an hour.
And he not only went off about it, but said that the Trump administration is looking at it and is going to be releasing a bunch of stuff on that aspect of it.
Anthony Schaaf...
The 9-11 side?
Able Danger is 9-11, so please look into it.
Watch my film, Fabled Enemies.
It's free online, everybody.
You can watch them all.
And...
Anthony Schaefer, who was basically the head of that division, were friends on Facebook, and he put up a Facebook post immediately with that, saying, yes, we are now in talks to release this information.
A lot's going to be coming out.
With that being said, we've got to take a quick break.
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We got on a 9-11 tangent at the end there.
And I think that's extremely important, by the way.
If we want real transparency, in fact, even with the assassination documents, I would have liked to see Martin Luther King Jr. in there.
I know there's a lot of talk of disclosure of other large-scale events.
But if we're really talking about it and we really want the truth of this nation and military-industrial complex to come out, we actually have to start a lot further back.
And I would suggest one of the main things to start with is Operation Paperclip.
The seminal work on that is done by a woman named Annie Jacobson who wrote Area 51. She wrote The Pentagon's Brain, which is about DARPA, and a slew of other great books.
Her latest one is on nuclear war.
But when she wrote Operation Paperclip back in 2013, the very beginning of the book, she says that there are still 500 million documents.
Wow.
Let's start there with the half a billion documents that show our connection with NASA, the CIA, and these other organizations to the Nazis we recruited.
Let's start being honest with ourselves.
Because it is that type of science, whether we like to admit it or not, that really got going.
During World War II and is very much eugenics-based, when we talk about some of the horrific experiments that the Nazis did, that program was a vaccine program, everybody.
They were trying to figure out a way to deploy bioweapons on their enemies, but they knew that if you deployed bioweapons on your enemies, they would deploy it on your own people, and they wanted to be able to inoculate them first and foremost.
So a lot of these experiments were, quote-unquote, vaccine-based.
And then you get to today, when we are in bio-nanotechnology and we are in these compartmentalized programs, I mean, what does the modern-day apparatus look like?
Because you started looking into diffuse, and there are certain parts of that.
Again, we have to talk about, quote-unquote, cane of function, not bioweapons research.
But there are other aspects of those documents.
You already alluded to the semantics aspect, the language aspect.
But there are things that are in broad daylight that are just not discussed by the Rand Pauls and the Ron Johnsons.
Please.
Yeah, so This document from Diffuse has been out for a long time now.
And Rand Paul's been the guy, as you rightly note, he's been the guy spearheading this.
Ron Johnson will talk about it.
There's a Senator Marshall from Kansas.
He's been talking about it too.
He's been doing a great job.
If you're going up against DARPA, I think you're doing a good job.
But they've been really focusing on China.
And making China the bad guy.
They've been really focusing on this being an accidental leak.
And they used this diffuse document to prove it.
So what Rand Paul's whole theory relies on is that aspects of the diffuse document were carried out.
And so it talks about gain-of-function.
That's true.
It talks about gain-of-function happening in correlation with Wuhan, China.
That's true.
So for all this time, Rand Paul's been talking about this.
He's been doing a great job.
So I'm not saying anything against Paul.
I'm just pointing out that as you intimate, there are other aspects of this diffused document.
And those talk about drones being used to disperse self-spreading vaccines on Americans.
So the point is...
If Rand Paul is right that some aspects of the DEFUSE document have been carried out, why couldn't it be that these other aspects were also carried out?
At the beginning of the pandemic, I don't know if you remember this, but there were actually a lot of reports of drones specifically being used to spray.
Certain substances.
There were multiple countries deploying drones for various COVID-related purposes from the very outset of the pandemic.
We forget really quickly.
Americans, sometimes we get amnesia when it comes to what happened in the news.
They were purportedly for disinfecting purposes.
If they did use drones at the beginning to spray us with some sort of self-spreading Vaccine or a pathogen or whatever, then you would expect to see those drones.
You could go back and maybe there would be reports of them.
And in fact, there were.
It came out from the Daily Mail.
As early as January 2020, mainstream news outlets were reporting that China had been using a, quote, army of drones to spray disinfectant over villages and cities that have been hit by the coronavirus.
The World Economic Forum, who I know you love.
They even brought attention to China's COVID-related drone spraying in March 2020. You got Yon.
You got the BBC putting out video reports of these drones being sprayed.
You had these crazy social media posts of drones spraying substances in China.
UNICEF. This gets crazy.
You'll love this.
The UNICEF document.
And UNICEF, that's the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund.
It explained how all these other countries had joined in.
You've got the United Arab Emirates.
They were using drones.
Spain was using drones.
South Korea was using drones.
Other countries, drones were being used in the U.S., Indonesia, France.
We've got all the links there on the story on the site.
But here's the interesting thing.
So all these countries are using drones at the beginning of the pandemic for...
What they say are self, for disinfectant purposes.
Here's the thing.
That same UNICEF document says there's little evidence to support the effectiveness of using drones for disinfectant purposes, which could, you know, which potentially implies that the drones were being used for a purpose other than to disinfect.
The document says this.
It's a quote.
Scientific evidence suggests that this application, using drones as a disinfectant, has little to no evidence for efficacy and effectiveness.
Publications even in the National Library of Medicine backed up UNICEF's skepticism of the effectiveness of using drones as a disinfectant.
There was a September 2021 global policy study in the National Library of Medicine database emphasizing that, Effect on disease control.
And that study cited a World Health Organization study.
And I don't cite the World Health Organization because I think they're authoritative.
But everybody else thinks they are.
So I'll cite it here when it's, you know, proving my point because they already accept the source.
This WHO study, it argued that spraying outdoor areas is, quote, this is WHO's words.
Not recommended to kill COVID-19 virus or other pathogens because disinfectant is inactivated by dirt, debris, and it is not feasible to manually clean or remove all organic matter from such places.
So, Jason, I mean, they did use drones, especially at the beginning of the pandemic.
Throughout the pandemic, they were using drones.
They say they were for disinfecting purposes when, in fact, we know that you cannot.
All these authoritative sources confirm you can't use drones for disinfectant purposes.
So the question is, what were the purposes they used it for?
And I would say, along with Rand Paul, maybe it's for carrying out some of what this DARPA EcoHealth Diffuse document said they would do, which is to spread using drones to spray a self-spreading vaccine over an unsuspecting American population.
Which, again, sounds like the realm of science fiction, but we've already noted the experimentation just on a very small scale that the United States government has been involved in.
And, you know, I mentioned the Department of Energy before.
I'm going to continue to mention them because during the Clinton administration in the 90s, he brought out a phone book size report on just some of the human experimentation that had taken place both radiologically and biologically.
And so much of it was overseen by the Department of Energy, which sounds completely innocuous.
You know, I want to get into this idea of self-replicating, self-spreading either vaccines or viruses.
And this is what I've always said about both the virus and the hate and lie shots.
Once the government is involved with any of it, they don't have to tell you the truth about any of it again.
So any government agency involved, all of a sudden they have no reason to tell you the truth.
It's baked into the secret sauce.
Once you get into a classification level, you also have compartmentalization.
Even some people working on this are not going to have the full spectrum.
This is what I've said.
Both technologies, no matter what you think, and believe me, I've gone down the dark field microscopy routes.
I've seen it all.
I'm not sure what I can believe.
I'm not a biological engineer.
I'm not a science.
I'm literally a beauty school dropout that used to flip pizzas.
I'm pretty stupid.
I can read at a fifth grade level.
And at a fifth grade level, I can read that in 2013, DARPA awarded Moderna, not for a vaccine project, but for a gene therapy project that on their own website, I mean, this is their own website, you can read, is part of the Adept Protect Autonomous Diagnistics Program.
Anybody can Google this, go check it out.
In fact, when you see it again, Therapeutics, Messenger RNA. And then you have a company.
That literally has no products whatsoever that makes this product and now is making hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars through the government.
Now, there is no doubt when you talk about the shots, they openly talk about it breaking the blood-brain barrier with lipid nanoparticles.
One of the main players was BioNTech.
They only play with bio-nanotechnology.
But if you said that, or you associated with things like CRISPR, you were putting out...
Disinformation or misinformation.
When Time Magazine had articles on them building this through CRISPR, a.k.a.
genetic sequencing.
In fact, if you actually go back to the initial press release, and again, it's right there in the small print, everybody.
When you look at this ADEPT Protect program, they tell you what the goal is.
It's to develop a platform of technologies that can be deployed and safely and rapidly provide the U.S. population with near- Immediate protection against emerging infectious diseases and engineered biological weapons, even in cases where the pathogen or infectious agent is unknown.
So they tell you, bioweapons, actual viruses, we're going to stop them really quick with mRNA.
It's all right there.
These people literally put it in their own white papers, John.
It's an example of the Hegelian dialectic.
It's a problem-reaction-solution.
With 9-11, of course, the idea being that if they wanted to get U.S. troops into the Middle East for whatever reason, and they couldn't convince the U.S. population to want to go to war, then you create a problem in order to get the reaction that you want.
In order to get the solution that you want.
So some deep state, nefarious globalist actors plant explosives in the World Trade Center and bring it down.
They blame some quote-unquote terrorists, Middle Eastern terrorists.
So there you go.
You've got the American people on your side now and willing to go to war.
You created the problem.
You got the reaction you wanted so that you can get the right solution.
It's the same thing happening with The R&D,
you know, black ops part of the government with DARPA. Moderna, we've had the vaccine that We injected into people in 2020, since 2012, maybe even before.
So the government has had the solution that they wanted to give to us, which was the vaccine.
And then, oh, by the way, they also created the problem.
With our tax dollars, by the way, they did the gain-of-function research on this pathogen.
I know some people are saying, I'd love to get your opinion on this, Jason.
Some people are saying...
Viruses don't exist.
Have you been following that at all?
Oh, boy, have I. Oh, boy.
You know what?
That's a good breaking point because we do have to take one final break.
Do viruses exist?
Is everything terrain theory?
You know, I liked that debate.
You know, I still watch a little Bill Maher.
Bill Maher had Woody Harrelson on his Club Random podcast.
And it's funny because...
I can't really talk about terrain theory.
I'll get banned.
In fact, I just got the word, folks, this morning, no monetization for Jason Bermas still after six years on YouTube.
They denied me yet again.
Big shocker.
We're going to talk about terrain theory.
We're going to talk about viruses and so much more.
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So, John, let's talk terrain.
Now, I think, number one, there are aspects of terrain theory that are real.
I think germ warfare is real.
You know, you had, I believe it was Unit 301 back in World War II, the Japanese just doing some of the most egregious things to human beings that you could imagine via experimentation.
Same time period.
As the Nazis.
A lot of those were working with private companies.
You know, you look at the DuPonts of the world, the IG Farben's, etc.
We replicate that.
And here's my issue.
To say that an entire field of science just doesn't exist when it does have that aspect of warfare and there's just so much documentation behind it, I find it extremely hard to believe there's no such thing as a virus.
And when we talk about bioweapons, you know, I look at HIV, for instance, you know, and that's another big red flag, as more than likely.
Now, at the same time, I think it has aspects of COVID where there are different diagnoses.
So someone doesn't necessarily have to have HIV to get that diagnosis.
There's a great documentary out there called House of Numbers.
But are you aware of Bayer in the late 80s and the 90s and their HIV connection?
No.
Well, let's do it.
Let's do it semi-live.
So I just typed in the magic words of bear and HIV. And this is another reason that I really do think that viruses exist.
In my time period as a child of the 80s, the big scare that, you know, not only were they selling you out on heterosexual sex, but anybody could get it at that point.
And somebody named Ryan White, who was a kid with hemophilia.
Was the big HIV kid that they rolled out.
They brought him to school.
He eventually died.
Arthur Ashe was a famous tennis player.
Also had hemophilia.
Got HIV. They all said it was through blood diffusions, right?
Well, guess what?
There was a hemophilia drug.
Again, we just type in Bear and HIV right here.
And Bear made a drug called Factor VIII, which was an injectable.
So they injected people twice a year with live HIV virus, got caught in the United States.
You can look it up.
There are a ton of non-disclosures, paid out a ton of money.
And then instead of getting rid of the product that had the live HIV virus, they shipped it out to Europe and Japan and distributed it there.
So I want to put this out there again.
Which is now partnered with Monsanto, a genetically modified organization company, knowingly injected hemophiliacs with live HIV virus that was contaminated in their drug.
And no one went to prison in this country.
In the other countries, people went to prison.
They just paid some money out here.
Okay, so in that argument...
There was something in those shots people won court cases and died from.
What that was, I don't know.
But again, I think it's another aspect of this bio-warfare.
So yes, I believe in viruses.
I think terrain theory is certainly underplayed and existent.
Again, it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other, John.
That's what I believe.
I mean, when you hear about it, I mean, you, Jason, don't you really think that is something they could be doing because it's just so nefarious and that's their MO to be deceptive about it?
It has that effect on me where when I hear about that, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense because these people are sick.
They do do experiments on us.
It's not just Operation LAC, large area coverage like you mentioned.
There's Operation Big Itch.
Operation Big Buzz, Operation Big Apple, Operation Sea Spray.
I would say Operation Warp Speed was another one.
Brother, I've done videos where they were going to children's hospitals in Brooklyn in the 50s and injecting children, children with cancer viruses, with STDs, because they had Down syndrome.
I mean, they did this to children.
At the same time, they were also doing a lot of this to prisoners as well in the prison system.
Not just the military, not just prisoners, not just unknowing civilians.
Children, John.
Go ahead.
It's awful.
It's just awful.
But you're right.
People don't get this.
The government has a long, deep history.
Of deploying dangerous, often deadly...
Look at Tuskegee.
We didn't even talk about Tuskegee yet.
The US has a long history of doing it.
And if somebody has a long history of abusing you, you don't...
And they show no signs of changing.
You don't...
Go with the assumption that they're not going to keep abusing you.
You don't want to be a captive girlfriend in a horrible relationship where you're constantly getting backhanded.
It's awful.
John, we have run out of time.
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