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Feb. 21, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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Former CIA Operative: Is Trump 2.0 Really A New Golden Era?
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We've got a great show lined up for you today.
We've got J. Michael Waller.
He's the author of Big Intel, and he's a former CIA operative and Intel expert himself.
We're going to be talking Trump 2.0, Kash Patel, security clearances revoked, and so much more.
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He is the author of Big Intel, How the CIA and FBI Went from Cold War Heroes to Deep State Villains.
We are with J. Michael Waller.
Thank you so much for being with us.
So let's talk Trump 2.0 so far.
You know, it's had its ups and downs, mostly ups for me.
Not in love with a lot of the foreign policy.
We might get to that later.
But domestically.
Especially when we're talking about things like stripping security clearances from people that I think have been ghouls for a very long time.
Pre-Trump, post-Trump, the Haydens of the world, the Brennans of the world, yes, the Fauci's of the world.
It's unprecedented.
It's a positive move.
My big question is...
Obviously, there's the hurdle of getting Patel in there.
I think we're going to overcome that hurdle.
But then I think there are a number of other issues when we start getting to, quote-unquote, criminal accountability.
Now, obviously, the dismantling of USAID has thrown a wrench into a lot of the financial operations of many, I would say, an NGO and an intel operation.
So I'd love to get your take on all those things from the 40,000-foot view.
Well, there's a whole lot there.
It's really amazing to see the amazing shock and awe successes that Trump has been able to pull off in the first few weeks that he's been in office.
This is something that nobody in the public ever anticipated.
It's so different from what he did before when he came in in 2017. He didn't have a team.
He didn't even believe he was going to win the 2016 election, and it showed.
This time, he's got a really coherent, unified team who's been working since last spring to put together these executive orders and these agendas that we're seeing carry out right now, and there's a lot more on the way.
So let's take it one at a time, then.
Let's start with the security clearances.
When I look at guys like Brennan, Doesn't really look to me like they ever really stopped working for the Central Intelligence Agency, maybe in name only.
But you look at operations that say even maybe made it into the court system via Seymour Hersh and Butowski and Seth Rich.
Brennan's name is thrown around.
So is McCabe's.
I believe there are two people that have had their security clearances revoked, and rightfully so.
We know about the declassifications coming on the assassinations.
We've heard Trump specifically talk about other events, etc.
Number one, what do you think about these events now from a generation ago?
Let's be honest.
These are assassinations that have taken place, what, 60 years plus ago?
And how far can and will it go?
Because...
If what a lot of people have written and talked about is even remotely true about the agencies that may be involved, the three-letter agencies from the CIA to the FBI, and I'm sure there's a multitude of others, it's going to cast a very different light on the reality of these things and the baseline.
I would imagine if you start getting into things in the 80s and 90s...
It's not going to look that great either.
So how far will it go, and what do you expect to come out of the documentation release?
Well, first, there is a legitimate reason for keeping information classified.
You have to protect the sources, the people who volunteered to help you, people who put their lives in risk to help the U.S. intelligence community.
You have to protect the methods of gathering intelligence so that our adversaries don't know how we gather such things.
Those are the legitimate reasons for it.
But something that happened in 1963, where all the sources are dead, all the methods are obsolete, there's nothing to keep secret anymore.
I don't even know why we need to have a declassification process for the JFK assassination files, because that means that things are going to be redacted.
They should just open it all up, and the president has the authority to say, put this online right now.
Unredacted, unanalyzed, and just let the public have a look at everything.
I'm really concerned at the gradual nature of this release.
All right, let's talk about that.
Let's explore that a little further, because I think that's a valid point.
Now, number one, if you're to believe the headlines, supposedly what?
They just found 2,000 documents pertaining to the JFK assassination that they're claiming was not available to even the Warren Commission.
All the way back in the 60s when they were formed.
That's alarming.
I don't know whether to believe it or not.
I think that we should take everything with a grain of salt.
Number two, when we talk about declassification, I couldn't agree more that especially when we're talking about assassinations in the 60s, I don't know why we need a process.
Put them online immediately.
Grab them, scan them in a scanner, and that's it.
But then you have the revelations of Edward Snowden.
And a lot of people focused in on Snowden spying on the American people.
Some people honed in on Five Eyes.
All important stuff, but if you were paying attention...
You knew the U.S. government was spying on its own citizens.
It was on the record well before.
I mean, you had Promise software.
You had Carnivore software.
You had the Hepting versus AT&T case, where you literally had Norris Insight Systems in every telecommunication office, where you had just a dead switch where everything went to the NSA, okay?
And it got thrown out of court twice.
So again, if you were paying attention, you knew that stuff.
Snowden made the revelation that while going through documentation, normally you would get the redactions of the original document, and then you get the unredacted file.
He came across, and he talked about this on Rogan, to this day I think this is the most important thing that we should focus on, that he actually saw a fake document, and then the real one.
In other words, they had created and manufactured a whole other document instead of just giving you something that was redacted, something that was fully and completely false.
Yeah, in relation to this.
We know that's happened.
That's gotten almost no play in the mainstream media, in the alternative media.
Well, here we are.
I know that Trump signed an executive order supposedly stopping government censorship, but I don't know what that means.
Does that reverse the Smith-Mundt Modernizational Act?
Does that make all these documents that may be total forgeries and propaganda gone?
What are your thoughts on that?
There's a whole lot there.
First of all, we don't know what's real and what's fake, even if people we trust say that it's real or fake, simply because there's so much fakery out there and so much reality that's incomplete.
And when you have incomplete information being disclosed that's factual, you don't know how that is released in a way to deceive us of the truth by omitting other facts.
So there's a whole lot out there that we just don't know.
If that is the case, and like I said, we have the 2,000 documents.
We have this process out there.
I'll be honest with you, Jay.
I'm not in love with the person they've put in charge of the process.
No offense, everybody.
I get it.
She's a MAGA influencer.
Let's just say that the profession of stripping, you have questionable morale.
And you've been in some situations that are extremely transactional.
And that's before politics, which, as you know, are extremely transactional.
I would have really liked to see someone like a Thomas Massey in there.
Like, give me someone that's going to read it and be like, no, we need to put all this out right now.
Yeah, well, as far as people's personal foibles or pasts or whatever, what matters in the intelligence world is can you be blackmailed for it?
Well, what do you think?
All right, so there's a great thing.
When you're in that kind of a profession, I don't know, do you think there's some arenas of blackmail out there?
Well, but if you're kind of open about it and sort of West Coast-ish about it, it almost doesn't matter because there's nothing to be kept secret.
Except she's made denials about it.
She says she wasn't.
And again, this is a woman who also changed her name for politics.
Again, I like a lot of what this administration has done.
Let's see the results of it, right?
So for instance, you said there was a lot there, and there is always when I go on a rant.
But when we're talking about, for instance, this executive order that's supposed to take government out of censorship, yeah, it sounds great on its face.
What do you think it actually means?
And to actually do that, what do you have to do to the system to bring back freedom of speech and really a meritocracy?
Of speech, I would argue, in the digital realm where, you know, you could say Musk is free speech.
There ain't no meritocracy on X. That's very open.
They have got algorithms.
They pick winners and losers just like everybody.
By the way, free speech, pretty damn low bar.
Okay?
Pretty low bar in my opinion.
So when we are talking about the executive order, free speech, big tech, what does it really mean?
And how would we go about actually fixing that problem?
Yeah, well, this gets to the point.
What do you mean by free speech?
Everybody knows Trump's intent.
Only an idiot or dishonest person would mistake Trump's intent about free speech.
But then you interpret, well, what about public safety?
What about privacy?
What about security?
A lot of these points are valid points.
A lot of these points are manipulated for ulterior motives.
So we really don't know.
If something is classified information, that's not free speech.
And if you disclose it, you're breaking the law, potentially committing a felony.
Not to mention helping our adversaries or at least harming our own nation as a whole.
So where's free speech there?
The Germans have their own idea of free speech, but then they've always been a bit weird on the issue.
the The British don't really have free speech.
Their system over there is...
I was in court in London on a defamation case, and my crime was telling the truth.
And the truth is not a defense if it defames the person whose truth is being exposed.
So we lost the case.
But luckily, we have a First Amendment here, so the plaintiff who sued us couldn't collect any damages from us because we're protected by the First Amendment, where we do have free speech.
So free speech means a lot to a lot of people, but I think everybody knows what Trump means when he says no more government censorship.
Well, I think we know what he—listen, I'm not trying to say that the guy's trying to be deceptive.
I said it the first time around.
I think he went in there in 2016 thinking he was going to wear a Superman cape and really drain the swamp.
I really do.
I believe that.
Was not ready for everything that actually occurred.
And quite frankly, many of his picks were super-duper establishment.
Yeah.
You know, from, I mean, all the way up to Bill Barr, but I mean, from Mattis to Bolton, there's a big difference this time around.
All right?
I mean, number one, he absorbed what I would say was his only legitimate opponent and made him the HHS secretary, which was a curveball I wasn't ready for, you know, six months ago, nine months ago when he was still in there.
I think that's a positive.
Tulsi Gabbard, DNI, if you talk to me.
All the way back in 2016 when she ran.
2020, you know, I would have liked to see, obviously, the same thing.
Her winning the primary system there, not being smeared.
I mean, if you go back to 2020, what, she got like seven minutes in a two-hour debate and still eviscerated Kamala Harris so badly that she had to drop out.
You want that woman in there.
Those are big moves.
But when I say, what does it mean?
So let me give you an example.
Missouri versus Biden, for instance, we get the first time that you have a state Supreme Court look at the collusion between government and big tech openly, and they're like, oh my god, this is tech.
No, this is totally against the First Amendment.
They rule that.
Our federal Supreme Court steps in, I think, maybe within a week of that judgment.
Says, hold up.
Let's not put anything into play.
They don't tell us when they're going to take a look at it.
They decide to, you know, put it on the agenda.
And I'm a dummy.
I thought because the state Supreme Court actually looked at the evidence of the case, our federal Supreme Court couldn't get away with the no standing nonsense.
Nope.
Four to three.
No standing.
So no one at a federal level has even looked at this constitutionally and ruled on it.
So I ask again, I'll ask you this because I don't think we know what actually is going to be done by the Trump administration.
It's a pretty short executive order, right?
What needs to be done to actually take the government out of censorship via these big companies?
Well, one idea might be to take the Missouri case and now have the Trump Justice Department introduce it because...
They do have standing before the Supreme Court.
That's one try.
And also for the states never to let up on this because the states, that Missouri case, kept the federal government on its toes and it showed other states that, hey, we still don't have to take this from the central government.
Even if we lose in court, we can still fight this.
So there's a lot that's still there.
In terms of censorship, though, there's a whole industrial complex behind censorship, as we've seen.
It's been revealed.
Much of it's been exposed, but there's still more out there.
And even where you don't have orders coming from somewhere, you have a mentality among bureaucrats, among prosecutors, among FBI, CIA, big tech, big media, you name it, that censorship is still okay.
Because they're doing it for the greater good.
Or they're doing it because so-and-so is a bad person.
Or low-quality stuff.
Hate speech, whatever that means.
And, you know, too straight white Christian male to be really tolerated in a real American society.
Whatever the excuse is, someone's going to have an excuse.
And a lot of those excuses are sincere.
They're not malicious.
We would take them as malicious because we're on the receiving end.
But let's say, you know, internally, these folks really think they're doing the right thing, even though throughout history, people have thought the right thing and have led their countries to, you know.
Terrible ends.
So this has to still be fought.
I think the fact that a place like X is a free speech platform, the fact that the White House press office and the Pentagon press offices and others have brought in alternate media, a lot of people we know and like, or at least they're part of our larger community, who would never get a fair shake anywhere else, brought them in to replace the Washington Post and the Associated Press.
These are really huge steps forward.
So what that's going to do is uplift and increase the influence and the prestige of many of our friends in the alternative media and make it so that they're not alternative media anymore over time.
This is a big fight for free speech.
So when you have the administration fighting back against news organizations that lie, that's their prerogative.
As the executive branch to determine who can and who cannot have the front seat or any attendance at all in these news conferences where the room size is finite.
This is going to have a good effect on the press overall and in terms of our friends.
So these are all little steps against government censorship.
But I think as long as there are people and as long as there are disagreements and especially as long as there are people out there who want Well, I would say this.
I am encouraged by the fact that, number one, they are bringing in...
People in the quote-unquote alternative media.
We're going to take a break.
I'm going to challenge you a little bit on the quote-unquote free speech platform because, again, you talk to its own AI and it'll tell you it's not a meritocracy.
They pick winners and losers.
Even people like Naomi Wolf have honed in on this and continue to hone in on this.
Matt Taibbi, who helped put out the Twitter files, he'll tell you exactly.
I also want to talk about USAID and its relationship, not only to Politico, but Reuters.
I mean, right in it, you've got social engineering and deception in the title.
Of course, they say they're fighting it, but let's look at the track record of the military-industrial complex and the mainstream media.
It's pretty baffling.
We're going to take a break.
We're going to come back.
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And we are back with J. Michael Waller.
The book is Big Intel, How the CIA and FBI Went from Cold War Heroes to Deep State Villains.
So let's talk about it a little bit on X before we get into the USA, Reuters, Politico stuff.
You know, I've done live streams because, number one, social media in general, especially platforms that allow video and commentary, it used to be an open platform.
Where you'd put your stuff out.
There was a meritocracy there.
For instance, Google didn't always own YouTube.
They had a competitor.
It was Google Video.
I always talk about it because YouTube's really the last tech startup that's real.
Didn't have any government funding or Intel connections.
Came up with this platform.
A bunch of people used it.
Google said, you know what?
We've got the bandwidth.
They make Google Video.
Now, instead of 10-minute videos on YouTube, you could do up to four hours.
And really, that's how my career starts.
Documentary filmmaker started with a loose change with a couple guys questioning 9-11.
Google Video, we were in the top 10 all the time.
And all of a sudden, they were a competitor with YouTube.
They buy them for $8 billion.
Now, back in the day when you wanted someone on your platform and bring people in, again, that meritocracy, it was free.
And then when the monetization came, what kind of clicks could you get?
All the way around.
Now, on X, if I want to post a live stream or anything that's over two minutes, I pay $80 a year.
Even on Rumble, that's supposedly free speech.
$120 a year minimum.
I actually have the $25 plan.
I make about what I spend, you know, like $300 a year for that free speech platform where the algorithm doesn't give me a meritocracy.
In fact, when I questioned Grok, and not even really that extensively, it admitted there's a 70% plus likelihood that my account, I didn't use the term shadowban, I said limited, is shadowban.
In other words, an account my size, average posts get between 2,000 and 5,000 views.
In other words, people can see them.
Not my page.
I get about a fifth of that.
And when you start looking at the algorithm, they'll tell me, oh, well, you talk about controversial topics.
Doesn't matter if I'm right or not.
I'll give you another example.
For instance, it cited the fact that I have, for years, called Conor McGregor, one of the biggest sports stars out there, a brutal, violent serial rapist.
He just was found, not criminally, but liable in a case.
That I've been talking about for five years that the woman wanted to go criminal on.
And she was viciously beaten, by the way.
I was right about that.
So how is that dangerous content?
Is there ever going to be a meritocracy in any of these platforms at this point?
Seems like we've got a lockdown.
I get it.
Zuckerberg's out there with crazy hair and he's got a little gold medallion on.
He's rebranding.
And I imagine he's going to get the advertising dollars of people like the Daily Wire again.
You know, he's going to get the Gateway Pundit dollars again.
But is he going to go beyond that?
Because people like myself...
That are totally politically homeless and not aligned with anybody and not playing team baseball.
We don't seem to get a fair shake.
You know what I'm saying?
I do.
As long as human beings are running things and human beings are designing the algorithms, we'll always have something that's not a meritocracy.
But we don't want...
AI designing its own algorithms either for such meritocracy because it'll never exist.
So we'll never have a real meritocracy.
And we'll never even agree on what a real meritocracy is.
So we just have to keep fighting in our own spaces and expanding them.
Well, let's talk about that because I think that those are the battlegrounds, right?
A lot of people will come at me and they'll say, well, you're not on this platform.
You know, I've been doing this since, geez, 2005?
So I've been on like over a dozen, maybe a dozen and a half, quote unquote, platforms out there.
Half of those don't, they no longer exist, right?
Like I remember blip.tv.
A lot of people don't remember any of these things.
Even, you know, what was it?
Before it was Ustream, which was on Joe Rogan, was the original thing.
I mean, Spotify is by the guy that created Napster.
Like when you look at the evolution of these platforms, Only if they're absorbed by big tech have they really been able to make it.
I mean, look at Instagram.
Again, Meta.
We're down to like four.
And Google, again, look at their history.
I mean, the original search engine that was used by Brin and Page was funded by the National Library Initiative via NASA and DARPA. They thanked them when they won that contest.
So, I mean, if there's not going to be a meritocracy...
And the companies that we are talking about, you just mentioned AI, are moving towards AI. And that AI is garbage in, garbage out.
Again, narrative-driven.
What kind of chance do we have in our own spaces?
I mean, when we're talking about grassroots, do we actually have to start getting on the ground again and going from town to town, city to city, neighborhood to neighborhood?
I think a lot of that's been lost.
You know, again, even with the loose change days, yeah, you could send somebody a link, but there were people on the ground that had burned DVDs or resold stacks of DVDs that were outside of the case that literally handed them out to people, you know, when people had DVD players.
Still do.
Well, some people do, but there's...
When they cut off our streaming, I want to make sure I have everything on DVD. Well, that's...
Believe me.
Go ahead.
Jason, it's like anything else.
The freest markets are generally the underground markets.
Whether it's for better or for worse, that's where the meritocracy is.
Unfortunately, a lot of them are cruel meritocracies, and they hurt people.
But a lot of them are good meritocracies.
So you'll have free speech driven underground, as it has in the past, in the ancient past, even in the biblical history, freedom was driven underground.
So that's always going to happen.
So we always have to find ways around it and to skirt it.
And there will always be plenty of really good free speech people who are going to get an offer too good for them to refuse.
And then others who don't sell out, don't try to cash in, they remain in the margins.
Look at Gab, for example.
They're trying really hard, but they can't get traction.
Bitchute, which has been around for way longer than Gab, there's another one.
If you're talking about video platforms that are free speech, Bitchute's been around forever.
In fact, I remember when one of the CEOs, the lawyer from Parler, ended up starting to work for them like a little over a year and a half ago.
You never hear about Bitchute.
You never hear about Gab.
You never hear about Minds, etc.
The ones that I think are genuine in their...
In their pursuit of a meritocracy, right?
Because a lot of people say...
Even MeWe, you know, MeWe trying to go up against Facebook, there you're not the product in MeWe.
You pay a monthly fee for your free speech, which is okay as long as the speech is really free and they're not using you as spyware.
But that can't get any traction either.
I totally agree.
When we talk about something like USAID, what's your viewpoint there?
Because, you know, we hit a couple of things and I get it.
The trans operas in other countries, they're going to get the headlines.
But this is something that really goes way, way, way deeper.
This is something that we're talking about has been a tool for the destabilization of countries around the world for U.S. interests for a very long time, like we're seeing.
Open narrative management, combating misinformation through an organization.
You know, Reuters and the AP are supposed to be the gold standard.
You mentioned uplifting quote-unquote authoritative sources.
Aren't they like the authoritative source?
And then you see the Defense Department contracts.
And it's funny because even I... As someone who's been in this arena for a couple decades now, didn't really realize that Thomson Reuters is much larger than even their media narrative.
I have a good friend here.
All he does all day is works with big companies and law firms that are in all sorts of lawsuits or legal battles or transitioning, and they just get them law cases.
He just looks up other law cases and where they've ruled and then sends them over.
He's like a middle management man for Thomson Reuters.
Does nothing with the media at all.
And yet, you know, these conglomerate corporations are subsidized by our government for their media management narratives.
Yeah.
I've been aware of the $10,000 a month subscriptions that these outfits had had.
Politico has one also.
Many of them do.
But I thought they were for just big law firms that would then, you know, push the costs over to their clients and the American taxpayers getting soaked when the U.S., the federal government is either hiring those firms to prosecute or, you know, the firms are somehow involved in gobbling up our tax dollars.
I did not know that USAID and these other agencies that have no need for these services at all.
We're buying them in large numbers anyway, just to subsidize them.
It's pretty amazing what's come to light under this administration in the last, I guess we're not even a month deep.
We're pretty close to it at this point.
The media obviously has been attacking.
That was something I think that has been expected.
But we haven't seen any mobilization on criminal prosecutions yet.
There's been some chattering about impeachments.
Okay, still not seeing that.
I haven't forgotten the assassination attempts on Trump.
We're going to take a break.
When we come back, what do you think?
Trump and this administration have to look out most for, because obviously the media stuff is not going to stop in any large part, but they've been muted to the vast majority of the voting public, not just the public arena, the people that are out there in votes.
I think we saw a landslide, and honestly, I think in 2020, obviously, Trump won as well.
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So obstacles and warnings for this administration.
They're talking about, I mean, I posted it yesterday and let's go.
They're talking about opening up Fort Knox and seeing how much gold is left.
They're talking about an audit of the Federal Reserve with Ron Paul.
I mean, these are big things that people like myself have discussed almost in the meta arena.
Well, a lot of this seems damn possible under this administration.
So what does this guy have to look out for?
I mean, we still have a lot of answers on the assassination attempts, and the stuff that has been revealed doesn't paint a great picture for the quote-unquote deep state, if you will.
So what are your thoughts?
Well, right now, we're in the shock and awe phase right now, where no one was expecting this, especially on the scale.
And the methodical nature of it all, and also the completely innovational nature of it all, like Doge.
No one was expecting that.
These guys have been hit really, really hard.
They're catching their breath.
They're trying to get reoriented, but they're going to fight back, and it's going to be a long-term terrible fight.
The Trump team was anticipating legal...
You know, lawsuits against them from, you know, any place in the country where certain plaintiffs could find the right judge.
They were anticipating that.
So it's a really good thing that all these lawsuits to stop all this are happening right now because some of them, my legal friends say, are so flimsy that they're not going to make it up, you know, they're not going to pass Supreme Court constitutional muster.
So let's get those lawsuits over with now and then keep plowing ahead because once that's decided by the Supreme Court, there's nothing else The other side can do in those areas.
They'll move to another area to fight.
Another big thing is exposure of who's been on the take and for how much and for so long.
You look at the panic selling right now of million-dollar homes in the Washington, D.C. area.
One's for sale for $23 million on Zillow.
The contracts were cut abruptly.
A lot of these people are leveraged out and their NGOs and their contracting companies are leveraged out.
So they can't afford any.
They don't have a reserve.
So they're going to be shutting down and they're going to be going broke.
This is a great thing to see that these abusers are under this.
You know, terrible stress.
And so is everybody else around them, the businesses that serve them, the businesses that serve those businesses and everything else.
It's all going to be really heavily damaged.
There'll be a fight back from the many Republicans now who are going to see, well, their pork is being cut away from them, too.
You've already seen it with the agriculture states in the Midwest.
What's going to happen to their corn subsidies, their grain subsidies, and so forth?
They're in a panic about it.
People complaining about cutting Social Security.
Even a lot of Republicans saying, we can't cut Social Security.
They're not focused on, and they don't seem to care about the fraud, the colossal fraud.
They just want to make sure that it's left untouched for their constituents.
There's a congressman, a Republican from Northeast Pennsylvania, whining about the same thing in this.
You know, he's going to go after the Trump administration.
He's a freshman.
I don't even remember his name, but he's whining about this too.
So you're going to have a break in the Trump coalition and you won't have a majority in the House to pass these budget cuts that the administration is going to be asking for.
So we're going to see a lot of that just on the Republican side and in the House and in the Senate.
As far as the other groups go, they've been cut off.
Their lifeblood has been, you know, Choked out of them with these USAID freezes and cuts and exposures.
And even the big foundations like the Soroses of the world and the Ford Foundation, the way they leverage many of their very large grants is, you know, they're seldom the only big investor in these ventures.
They depend on USAID and other federally funded entities to leverage it and expand their power a lot more.
Now you're going to have those people not just not doing the work, but unemployed.
And unemployable, because there isn't enough money among the private left-wing foundations to be funding this.
So it's going to be a massive cascading effect.
At the same time, you're going to have more, I'm anticipating, voices from the far left, including members of Congress, calling for assassinations of Trump and Elon Musk and others.
And maybe even lower-level people like members of Congress, influencers.
We don't know.
But you had just the other day in front of the Tesla shop in Georgetown in Washington, D.C., you had a crowd out front with a Luigi hat and a Love Luigi t-shirt and a banner that says, Eat Elon Musk with his own fork.
So they're literally out there calling for his assassination.
This is going to spread.
So let's talk about that because it really does bother me.
No matter what you think about the CEO of this insurance company that was assassinated.
Number one, I'm not for justice like that.
Especially trying to make a hero out of the guy after the fact.
Number two, they replaced him that afternoon.
What did that do?
What do you think?
There's not a dozen?
Two dozen?
200 people in line that would love that job and every other job at the top of an insurance company making that gravy train and doesn't care.
You're not solving the problem, you know, like at all.
And really, you're making a statement that you get to be God and you get to decide when force is necessary when you've done nothing.
I mean, I literally know somebody who worked for UnitedHealthcare.
And she's like, yeah, by 3 in the afternoon, they told us who the new CEO was after that guy had been shot at, what, 5.36 in the morning.
That's how much that machine's going to keep running.
And whether that's insurance or main-level politics, that's going to be the case.
There's always somebody who's going to step into that vacuum of power, period, on every single level.
And speaking of power vacuums, let's talk a little Kash Patel.
I think that this could be a good move.
He said some really good things in the past.
I mean, I love the idea of turning the FBI field office into a museum.
Let's do the same thing with the United Nations building in New York City.
Come on, Trump, get on that.
I want the U.N. out of the U.S., the U.S. out of the U.N. But sending everybody to work at the FBI on actual criminal cases sounds dandy to me.
Sounds really great to this guy.
You know, I would also, as much as I like Kristi Noem and her at the head of Homeland Security just for the immigration factor, I don't want the Department of Homeland Security.
We had Border Patrol before that.
Maker, whatever special force is there, let's get rid of these fusion centers and these things that are turned in on the American people.
I mean, completely weaponized against this, and I would argue also completely unconstitutional.
So when we are talking about these big agencies, when we are talking about Patel, what is the future of the FBI, Homeland Security?
Does Patel get in?
Do we start having criminal accountability in a multitude of cases?
I mean, you talk about the idea of...
The rhetoric of assassination against Trump.
And you talk about all these organizations that are literally losing not just millions or tens of millions or sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars.
Some of these rackets are going to lose billions upon billions of dollars.
We haven't even audited the Pentagon yet, folks.
Oh, there's so much more to go.
Yeah, please.
And imagine this.
It's great to audit Fort Knox and to audit...
Spending and waste.
But if you look, information today has an intrinsic value far greater than gold.
We haven't even audited the National Archives and Records Administration yet and how that information has been misused, illegally destroyed, and weaponized.
So there's much more to go.
But to get back to Kash Patel, we need, first of all, as a country, we need federal entities that do many of the things that the FBI does.
We need it.
But we don't really need the FBI anymore.
It's obsolete.
It's discredited.
It's bloated.
It's not just bad people at the top.
It was made top-heavy after 9-11 and then politicized.
But the career path in there has been such that the people elevated up in the system over the past 15, 18, 20 years Have been careerists.
They're there to get a name for themselves professionally and to get all the way to the top to the senior executive service.
They're not there to do the jobs that you would expect people who join the FBI to do.
So there's been a whole problem with the organization.
To have Kash Patel come in, a guy like him, with experience as a prosecutor, with experience on the House Intelligence Committee to go after, you know, Russian...
Influence operation rings, overseeing our intelligence community, helping break open the Russia collusion scandal.
A guy like him who doesn't want to make friends in Washington.
He doesn't want people to like him in the establishment.
He doesn't want to join a big law firm and make millions a year just being a sleazy DC Beltway lawyer.
He wants to fix something.
So he doesn't care.
And this is the great thing about a personality like him.
He's tough.
He's proven.
He's got the personal support of the president.
He's got a big fan base.
And you don't have to question his motives because he just doesn't care what people think.
You know, again, I hope he gets in and I hope that, you know, we can move towards criminal accountability because no matter what's been done right now, we haven't seen.
Criminal accountability in the executive for decade upon decade upon decade.
And I would argue the last time, again, we saw any kind of criminal accountability was Iran-Contra.
And a lot of that was whitewashed, slaps on the wrist, commutes after the fact, pardons after the fact.
And a guy like Oliver North, who was made the face of it, who became a millionaire.
And a radio show host.
And that's really not how you discourage that behavior.
We're going to take a quick break.
We're going to come back.
Final segment with J. Michael Waller after this.
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Now, you know, you mentioned when we talked about the declassification of the assassinations that there's really no one alive that could have been a part of it.
There's no methods or tools that haven't been discovered or utilized or discussed on the History Channel at this point, etc., etc., from that era.
What happens when we start getting into the 9-11s?
You know, you also mentioned earlier posting classified material.
Well, I would also argue that if WikiLeaks has posted it and it's in the public arena and it's legitimate, I'll post whatever I like.
I think that that's also a tool of free speech.
How far up do we get declassifications?
But do we get any criminal accountability?
Because, hey, we have stripped the Fauci's of the world.
We do have these unprecedented pardons, pre-pardons from the Biden administration that are just beyond bonkers, insinuating criminal activity from the J6 committee, insinuating criminal activity from, you know, Hunter Biden.
I mean, the date of 2014, when you coincide that with the Ukraine corruption, it slaps you, slaps you.
You might as well make it his birthday.
It slaps you in the face of corruption.
So what Biden has gone and done is he has made it so that any future president, he and his cronies can commit any crime they wish, any crime, while in office and be pardoned for it.
So again, what does that mean?
So like, all right, let's say we do get into the COVID-1984 nightmare.
I'm not in love with all the narratives that surround the quote-unquote alt theories.
Oh, the CIA just came out with Ratcliffe and said lab leak.
I don't believe that.
I think there's a lot more to it.
I do believe that we had something that was manufactured in multiple labs.
I mean, what, you had Redfield finally come out and say Chapel Hill.
I've been screaming Chapel Hill for how long?
Not just EcoHealth, not just Wuhan.
There's New York universities involved in it as well.
So Fauci got the pardon.
They didn't give it to Daszak.
They didn't give it to Beric.
Those are just names that I know.
When I read the, before Daszak was interviewed behind closed doors, came out afterwards what he said, they had the Department of Energy in there.
Well, let's audit that too.
You know, the Department of Energy was also named in this thing.
And I know they're talking about those things, but do you suspect that we will get Any type of criminal accountability?
Because you did just kind of allude to the fact that Patel has that law background.
A lot of the mainstream media seemed scared enough where they were publishing those stories of quote-unquote retribution.
We do have these pre-pardons, and I do believe that, you know, January 6th, among many of these other things, were criminal operations.
Hell, I had Giuliani on in October of this year.
And when I asked about 9-11, he said, declassify it all.
After what they did to me, he goes, I'm open to all the conspiracy theories.
So do we get that kind of transparency?
And again, any criminal accountability in any of these arenas that are much more modern day than these assassinations we discussed earlier?
Well, Biden made it harder to get criminal accountability.
But he also made it easier in many ways because the people he pardoned can no longer plead the Fifth Amendment when they're deposed or subpoenaed.
They're going to have to go through the terrible personal trauma of squealing on all their friends and, you know, fellow co-criminals.
In a way, we can take a bad thing with those pardons and turn them into a good thing by making those individuals like Fauci, like anybody else involved who got a pardon, turn state's evidence so that others can be prosecuted for this.
You need to be able to hold anyone accountable who can be legally accountable.
Will we get to the bottom of it?
It's been 63 years since the JFK assassination, so maybe not in our lifetimes.
But on other things, we will.
I think we'll also find that the failure of us as a society to recognize foreign threats like the Chinese Communist Party and to view the Chinese Communist Party as some sort of benign entity that has a streamlined regulatory process that will allow us to do medical or other kinds of research over in their labs.
This shows that people literally looked the other way while the Chinese Communist Party was building.
Nuclear weapons systems, electronic magnetic pulse weapons systems, biological weapons systems, with our funding and our assistance through really the naivete and the greed of university professors, of private foundations, of bureaucrats, of the National Institutes of Health, of people like Fauci who were profiting off the patents that they were developing.
They were doing this in China.
Because they weren't allowed to do it in the United States because it's not legal to do in the U.S. what they were doing.
But they were doing it with our tax dollars and everybody in the loop knew and gave a wink about it and winked at each other and profited from it.
These people all have to be brought to justice because just think, the Wuhan Institute of Virology is run by the Chinese People's Liberation Army's biological Warfare forces.
You have a three-star general in charge of that.
Her MOS in the Chinese military is biological warfare.
Three-star.
That shows a substantial biological warfare program if you have somebody with that specificity wearing three stars.
So we know they've got a robust program.
We know a lot of it's done at Wuhan, and it was done at our expense.
Well, I'd just say this.
I think that we would disagree on the naivety part of it.
I think it's malicious.
I think it's intentional.
Oh, that too.
Well, they create plausible deniability circles, right?
And, you know, you just mentioned China.
And I've talked about Google earlier.
There's another great example.
Google working with the Chinese government.
I remember when Dragonfly came into the press and Eric Schmidt was confronted by the BBC about them developing a censored internet and he just punted the football.
You know what?
I'm not really at Google anymore.
I'm at Alphabet.
Go ask Bryn.
No big deal.
Well, I say that at this point it's not even Chinese-style censorship.
It's just censorship.
I mean, when you've got the artificial intelligence of Google out there basically putting out black founding fathers and Nazis, it's oversauce.
You're on narrative management.
You're in imagination land.
You have total censorship.
It is China.
Let's be honest with ourselves.
So, I mean, that's still, when you look at that company...
It's massive.
It's got all these other companies under it.
It's got Calico Labs and Immortality Division.
It's got all sorts of defense contracts.
It's got its own artificial intelligence and quantum computing laboratory with NASA, which they claim quantum supremacy all the way back in 2019. It's right here next to me in the magic box and the most prevalent operating system in the world.
How do you actually combat that?
Because Google is just as much a part of China, in my opinion, as it is the United States when we're talking about economics and we're talking about shared warfare surveillance technology.
Drone technology and AI technology.
Again, when China can come out with DeepSeek at a fraction of the cost of what we have, can you imagine what their defense department is developing with those same engineers, Google technology and code?
Yeah.
And Google built the Chinese Communist Party's state-of-the-art censorship system.
It's not like that is going to be contained.
So you have this American company building this for one of the worst regimes on the planet, and somehow most of our society is okay with that.
Well, I am certainly not okay with that, Mr. Waller, and I would like to see some very, very large-scale changes.
However...
Under this administration, I think that's one of the big blind spots.
You had Bezos up there.
You had Altman, Stargate, Larry Ellison.
Even J.D. Vance and his origin story with Peter Thiel.
We're talking Palantir.
We're talking Lavender AI systems now in use.
We're in a very different world where it's not just...
AI-driven drones, but it's going to be AI-driven robo-dogs.
I mean, they commercialized the big dog.
They rolled it out quite a bit globally during the COVID-1984 nightmare.
I expect a return there.
Obviously, military...
AI-driven insect drones.
You know, these micro-micro drones that can spy on everybody and be eyes and ears everywhere.
This is like just inventing the wheel right now.
Well, when you say the insect drones, we're also talking the swarm technology where there's a multitude of them acting in unison, and some of them do actually contain explosives.
Hell, the CIA had the old Dragonfly drone back in the 70s.
That's been declassified for a very long time.
I can only imagine the real type of surveillance equipment that they had.
Mr. Waller, we've got about a minute left in the broadcast.
Let everybody know where they can check your stuff out, get the book, and support your work, sir.
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I do like the audiobooks because I take those long drives, and I bet you you can knock this one out, what, like under 10 hours?
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