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Jan. 7, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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Trudeau Out In A Trans Nation
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We have a great show lined up for you today.
We've got Dr. Miriam Grossman.
The book is Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness.
And then we've got Leighton Gray to talk about the Trudeau resignation and so much more.
buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
I'm a board certified child, adolescent, and adult psychiatrist, author and senior fellow at Do No Harm.
I have been taking care of patients for 45 years.
I'm going to use my time to respond to Dr. McNamara.
First, I'm struck by her use of the phrase, sex assigned at birth.
Sex is not assigned at birth.
Sex is established.
At conception, and it's recognized at birth, if not earlier.
Dr. McNamara claims that her views are science-based, but to claim that sex is assigned at birth is without any scientific basis whatsoever.
Its language misleads people, especially children, into thinking that male and female are arbitrary designations and can change.
That is simply not true.
Dr. McNamara claims that social and medical interventions are the only evidence-based treatment and that scientific evidence shows it is life-saving.
Without it, she's warning us, kids will commit suicide.
Well, a growing number of countries have effectively banned the care to which she's referring.
And thank God there's been no wave of suicides or other mental health catastrophes.
Three years ago, Finland placed strict limitations on medical interventions for minors.
Sweden did the same thing after a 14-year-old girl was found to have osteoporosis and spinal fractures from puberty blockers.
We are now joined by Dr. Miriam Grossman.
She is the author of the book Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness.
Thank you so much.
For being with us now, we're going to get into the book.
We're also going to get into where we are as a nation and really as a people, as the UK has now banned a lot of these puberty blockers, there does seem to be some kind of an awakening surrounding this subject.
But before we get there, number one, how did you get into this subject and where have you seen it go over the last decade plus?
Okay.
Well, first of all, thanks so much, Jason, for having me on.
For me, this began a long time ago.
I wrote a book 15 years ago called You're Teaching My Child What, in which I exposed the dangerous sex education that our kids are indoctrinated with.
And part of that sex education is also gender ideology.
So for me, it started a long time ago.
I discovered that we were telling even very young children that it's possible to be born in the wrong body, which of course is simply not true.
Furthermore, we were telling them that it's a natural variation of human development to identify as Male if you're female, female if you're male, and to have your body modified in order to, as they say, bring it into alignment with your mind.
And I recognize that these are very dangerous ideas to be introducing to young children.
And I warned parents that this is a coming catastrophe.
I was right, of course.
I was right.
Now, you're asking me what I've witnessed in the past 10 years or so.
What's happened is that we have had an explosion, a skyrocketing of cases among predominantly girls, teenage girls, who become convinced that they are in the wrong body.
A discomfort or even a disgust or loathing with their physical bodies, their secondary sex characteristics, their breasts, their genitalia, their hips, and so on.
Now we know that this is a social contagion.
A social contagion is when beliefs or behaviors spread within a friend group.
And that friend group can be in real life or it can be virtual online.
So, for example, many of the kids that I see in my practice and my practice is now devoted to helping those young people who believe, who have the delusionary belief that they're authentic selves.
is the opposite sex or some other category.
So my practice is devoted to helping those kids and their parents.
And many of them were first introduced to these ideas online.
Obviously during COVID was a time that the kids were at home and they were online 24-7 and they were exposed to YouTube and Other places online where they would listen and learn from other young people who had, quote-unquote, transitioned to the opposite sex.
So we have a social contagion.
It spreads between young people.
Now, are there very rare instances in which kids at the age of three or four or five years old Come to their parents and say, you know, I'm not supposed to be a boy.
I'm really a girl.
And those are kids who have not been exposed to a social contagion.
Yes.
But Jason, the thing is that those cases are extremely rare.
We're talking about one in tens of thousands or a hundred thousand people.
That's extremely rare.
And that is not the kids that we are now talking about in this country who are You know, clamoring for testosterone, estrogen, to have their breasts removed, you know, to have a fake penis constructed.
That is a different population.
So there's several things, Dr. Grossman, I want to hit on what you just said.
The first thing is the fact that you're calling this a social contagion.
You know, I'm 45 years old, so I can remember a time.
When people who dressed as the other sex or acted as the other sex had a different name.
It was not transgender.
It was a transvestite.
And that was an accepted term.
And that was somewhat normalized in the 80s, 90s before the craze of cross-dressing started to seep into popular culture via people like RuPaul.
The second thing that I would like to hone in on, you know, how did we get from transvestite into this transgender ideology?
The second thing is you talked about social groups and influence.
And we have widely accepted this throughout all of human history.
You know, when I was a kid, it was the jam pants.
It was the little bracelet thing.
We obviously...
are influenced by our peers.
Now, we are also all, as human beings, kind of influenced by our surroundings, environment, especially advertising.
I think there's a reason when we talk about norms.
When I was a kid, you wanted to be a firefighter, a cowboy, an astronaut.
The girls still to this day want to be princesses.
Yet, we're not allowed to acknowledge Any of that influence anymore.
Everything, like you said, is driven through this authentic identity and self-promotion.
So now there is no influence.
There are no phases.
We have to accept people for what they believe.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of us go through vast different swings on what we enjoy, what we're into, what we're interested in socially.
And then the third thing that I want to hit on that I think is super important.
Is that the media and even the alternative media, people that are concerned about this, often focus on boys.
And I understand that, especially when we talk about genital mutilation surgery.
But the fact of the matter is, the vast majority of the people that are doing this are actually girls.
and you know I have a buddy he's done a film called Cut the Girls Out West and he talks about a lot of this stuff being that extension of girls insecurities from the fact that there are now so many more labiaplastia surgeries with girls in their teens and that feeling of inadequateness and the fact that that is now extended to this transgender madness in my opinion I'd love for you to hit on those three.
Okay.
Well...
You did hit on a lot of stuff, and I'm going to actually add another biggie to what you just said, which is the capture of our medical organizations.
So, you know, those groups that everyone used to trust, including myself, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, and so on and so on, so many groups.
Have been captured by activists.
Now, the other side, the proponents of this ideology, will insist that every major medical and mental health organization stands behind the idea of gender-affirming care, meaning that you at once affirm the child's new identity.
Regardless of the age of the child, regardless of whether that child may have serious mental health issues.
And it is true that our medical and mental health organizations have put out policy statements and guidelines that do uphold this idea of gender-affirming care.
But what people need to know, and what I explain in detail in my book, is that these groups were taken over by very aggressive, loud activists.
Gender and radical sexuality activists that wish their agendas to become the agendas of the entire organization.
Now, the American Academy of Pediatrics, for example, has 67,000 members, but their guidelines about this issue were written by one doctor.
One doctor.
Now, it's true that those guidelines were then, you know, got the stamp of approval from other committees and from perhaps the board of directors, I'm not sure.
But by no way was every single pediatrician who belongs to the American Academy of Pediatrics asked, do you agree with this or not?
There is no consensus.
Parents especially are led to believe that there's a medical consensus on this issue.
And that if you have, for example, a girl who says that she's a boy and she wants to be called by a different name and be given puberty blockers and testosterone, And
hold on, let me stop you there, because I think it's also just so, not only...
Intellectually dishonest but dangerous when you actually look at the numbers of suicide after the fact.
You know, they talk about this living son or dead daughter lie when in fact...
When most of these people transition and then realize it hasn't filled that hole and they get into adulthood and then they realize this detransitioning isn't what they were promised, a lot of them end up taking their own lives.
And that's certainly something that is not discussed with parents.
Okay.
Absolutely correct.
And this came out, actually, this point about suicide came out a few weeks ago during the oral arguments from the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court is now considering the case of the U.S. Justice Department versus the state of Tennessee.
The state of Tennessee passed legislation that outlawed the medical and surgical interventions in minors, gender interventions in minors, and now the state of Tennessee is being taken to the Supreme Court.
And we saw during those oral arguments that even the attorney on the other side, the attorney representing the U.S. Justice Department, admitted that this suicide narrative, that kids are going to commit suicide if they don't have access to purity blockers, hormones, and surgeries, is not upheld by the evidence at all.
So what you said is correct.
The time that we need to be, those people that we need to have concern about their mental health deteriorating is after these medical interventions.
When they start as the years go by and they see that their mental health has not improved the way that they were promised it would and that their underlying mental health issues are still there and they are still suffering.
And now on top of those mental health issues, they also have all these medical issues from the hormones, from the surgeries.
They may be sterile also from those interventions.
So my concerns about suicide are in that group and also in another group, Jason.
I'm concerned about suicides among the parents.
The parents go through terrible Trauma as a result of their child being drawn into this ideology.
And many families feel that they have actually lost their child because the child becomes alienated.
Part of the ideology, of course, is to convince young people that whoever doesn't go along with your new identity...
Is a bad person, a toxic person who doesn't love you.
So, you know, they buy all that.
They ingest all this horrific, these falsehoods, because the parents obviously still love and adore and are devoted to their kids.
It's just that they will not deny reality.
And they will not stand by.
As their child insists on harming themselves medically.
So the situation of the parents, and I write about this in the book as well, I devote an entire chapter in my book called Mourning the Living.
That's what these parents are doing.
And I am concerned about the mental health of parents who have been through terrible trauma and who my profession, the mental health profession, Has abandoned.
The book is Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness.
We're going to take a quick break and we will be back with Dr. Miriam Grossman after this.
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Dr. Grossman, you know, you just talked about parents.
And I think this is, again, one of those...
Vital aspects, not only about this, but parents' rights in general.
We've seen them completely and totally eroded over the past couple of decades incrementally.
And now the idea that you have no domain over your child in some states if they choose a separate gender is completely insane.
We don't allow children to get tattoos.
Without the permission of their parents.
They're not allowed to smoke cigarettes until they're 18. 21 in some states.
You can't even join the military, which is life-changing until 18 years old.
And I would argue it is outrageous and egregious to do this to teenagers.
But now we've gone further into the domain of children that are not even 10 years old who are prepubescent.
Unfortunately, look, when you're a kid, they're big dreams.
You are totally delusional.
And there are going to be certain things that you grasp onto and say that are not based in reality whatsoever.
You know, I used to do a podcast with an MMA buddy of mine, and he's like, you know, my boy at seven or eight years old went through a phase where he was wearing his dinosaur pajamas and thought he was a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
Now, we played along a little bit, but we didn't feed into it enough to the point that he's going to think he's a T-Rex.
But in today's day and age, especially in Western culture, we've gone even beyond that pale, right?
I mean, outside of the transgender issue, which is completely dangerous, we now have added on to these identities to people that identify as animals or fur.
I mean, the list goes on.
It's really infinite.
Why, as a society, number one, have we allowed this?
But number two, Do we have people that mentally ill or emotionally distraught that they feel they have to go to these extremes and really can no longer identify as human?
Okay, yes, we do have extremely mentally ill people to answer that question.
But I want to explain a few things.
I think this will make it easier for you and your audience to grasp.
You see, the left always has to have another way to push the envelope.
So if you look at, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago, it was same-sex marriage.
Pushing the envelope in that way, redefining marriage, and saying that the union of two women and two men is the same in every way as the union of a man and a woman.
Okay, so that was then passed by the Supreme Court, and then it went immediately, without even the blink of an eye, into Transgenderism and advocating in every possible way for kids to be taught about transgenderism,
for the schools to be advocating and promoting these ideas at the youngest of ages.
And then these ideas entered into the legal system.
You mentioned what's going on with parental rights, and why is that?
Because the legal system, just like the medical profession, has also been impacted in a huge way by activists who successfully managed to redefine the word emotional abuse.
And medical neglect to include parents who refuse to address their child by a new name, new pronouns, who refuse to accept them as a member of the opposite sex, and refuse to take them in for these medical interventions, can now be seen in court as medical neglect and emotional abuse.
That is how this happened.
I know that you have testified before Congress.
I know that we have an incoming administration that has been very vocal that this needs to end.
I would say the vast majority of people, whether they're left or right, that have looked at this issue think it's an insane one.
Some may be too fearful to speak out.
Where are we?
Where can we expect to go?
You know, you just mentioned the Supreme Court.
I know that you've spoken in Tennessee.
You know, I live in Iowa now, but I'm a New York transplant.
And I was just back in upstate New York.
And I lived in a little college town.
You know, this is not the city.
This is half an hour away from Cooperstown, New York.
And even when I brought my nieces there, one of their kids, eight years old, was under the delusion that he was a she and the parents were playing into it.
And I had to watch that.
And I was very concerned.
But now the local hospital, especially post-COVID 1984, their bread and butter is this surgery.
And my buddy who's worked there since then, we were talking about it.
He's like, basically, it's town ODs and it's sex change surgery, sometimes for minors.
And a lot of people don't realize that this is going on.
This is a big business.
And it seems like also that this is...
You know, it's been on an incremental transition, but it's gone through administrations, right?
So it doesn't matter who's actually in power.
There is obviously money and agenda behind this.
So where are we?
And where do you see us going, best case scenario, but what is the reality?
Okay.
Well, I'm actually, Jason, so much more optimistic today.
That I would have been if we had talked a year ago.
So it's been a good year for us who are fighting this battle, this battle for reality, a battle for children and families.
It's been a good year.
We've had more and more states successfully pass legislation.
We have this case in front of the Supreme Court, which we always knew was going to happen.
And I do hope that the conservatives on the court and those who are living in reality and have a brain in their skulls will figure out that, you know, what is the right thing to do.
There are some Supreme Court justices who astonishingly are just so profoundly ignorant on this subject, but okay, you know, that's the way it is.
We've had...
Also, a growing number of lawsuits that have been brought against hospitals, doctors, and therapists.
So none of them yet have been taken to trial, but I'm very optimistic about that.
And when we begin to see lawsuits, successful lawsuits, against doctors and hospitals and therapists, I think that people are going to start thinking twice before they get out a scalpel and remove the breasts of 13-year-old girls.
Now, regarding Trump, I'm very happy to hear some of the things that Trump has promised to do.
We'll see if he actually does them or not.
But I would say that this issue goes way beyond simply legislating, you know, preventing the medical and surgical interventions.
It goes much deeper than that.
We must address the fact that the schools are filled with activists that are indoctrinating our children.
And we have to stop that.
The teachers, the principals, the guidance counselors, the social workers, all the flags that are adorning the walls of our schools, that are promoting these ideas, that needs to stop.
You know, children, essentially, they believe adults in general.
They look to adults to interpret reality, to tell them what is right and wrong.
And when you're sending your child to school, You know, five days a week, and they're spending more time at school than they are with you.
Parents have to understand, and this is what I address, and this is the reason I wrote my book, so that parents will reach their children first, and they will understand this ideology, and they will inoculate their families against this virus that has been spreading like wildfire.
You have to understand, parents, And the book is not written.
You don't need a PhD to read this book.
It is a book for moms and dads.
It is written in everyday language.
I have a bunch of model conversations that you can have with your child, with your child's principal or teacher or therapist.
And you must be vigilant.
You have to understand that This can happen in any family.
No family is immune.
So just getting back to the new administration, I would like to see them on day one address what is going on in schools, address what's happening in the hospitals and clinics.
We need to follow the lead of Numerous European countries in banning, creating a federal ban of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and obviously surgery in not only minors, but I would say up to the age of 25. And by the way, I just want to mention that what you're talking about is frontal lobe development.
You know, when we're 18...
When we're in college, even in the very beginnings of our life, people have to realize our brains are not fully formed yet.
And it is only looking back in retrospect that most people can acknowledge that.
Difficulty with some of the social mores that we have in this country regarding 18 years old and etc.
But that's a different argument because these are irreversible things that are being done to children and we have to look at them like adults.
And the reality is you're not wrong.
I mean, talk about...
The times that most of us are kind of going through our sexual awakening, realization, it is that time period as young adults that we really find the things that we gravitate towards.
And I don't think that we should be making any rash decisions before then.
Dr. Grossman, this has been a great segment.
The book is Lost in Transnation, A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness.
And I would just leave you with this.
I talk about this agenda and the money behind it and the fact that it goes through administrations.
I'm sure by this time you've looked into the Pritzker family.
If you have not looked into Martine Rothblatt and what Rothblatt has done in this arena, it is quite eye-opening.
I hope to have you on.
Again, what would you like to leave the audience with?
I want to leave you with my website, MiriamGrossmanMD.com.
There's tons of material on there that you can watch, that you can listen to, that you can read.
I also want to mention that there is an audio version of my book, Lost in Transnation, that I narrated.
People love it.
So if you are not into reading a 300-page book, And you want to listen to it in your car or while you're doing the housework or whatever, get the audio edition.
Excellent.
Thank you so much, Dr. Grossman.
We're going to take a quick break for making sense of the madness after this.
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We are joined by Leighton Gray.
We're going to be talking about Canada and oh, what a time to do it.
Trudeau out on his buttski and hutch.
There was a lot of talk about it, not just throughout the week, but really from that initial meeting with Trump where Trump joked Canada should just become a part of the United States anyway.
Highly unpopular gentleman ever since I've been watching this guy.
The COVID-1984 nightmare, in my opinion, only exacerbated the fact that nobody liked the rich kid that played dress up all the time.
He's out.
What does he get replaced with?
And what does his career look like after this?
Well, I think his political career In terms of Canadian politics is all but over.
I think he has long aspired to some position in the UN, in the WHO, something like that.
It's become very obvious to close observers like myself of Canadian politics that Justin Trudeau has long since been taking his cues from the globalists.
There's nothing about what he has done during his government.
He came in nine or ten years ago promising us.
A lot of the same things, the same sort of joy that the Democrats promised Americans.
He promised sunny ways and transparent government.
And a decade later, what we have is a country full of people who are less free, less prosperous, and less optimistic than they've ever been in my lifetime.
So I'm hopeful that Justin Trudeau's political career in Canada is over, although I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him having some sort of international type of appointment.
Some sort of globalist appointment.
He's very closely tied to the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab and that set.
In terms of Canadian politics, there are a number of people within the Liberal Party who want to grab at that ring, the precious ring of power.
And so it's going to be very interesting in the coming days.
The thing that Canada really needs, but it doesn't look like we're going to get it in the short term, is a national election.
This government has never been less popular in its entire history.
The Liberal Party, which is the Canadian equivalent of the Democrat Party in the US, its 157 year history has never been this unpopular.
If there were an election today, there would be a massive majority, even bigger than the one that Trump won in this past November.
So let's talk about that because a lot of people in the United States don't understand how your political structure works.
Obviously, it's parliamentary.
It's almost a subsidiary of what we see in the UK and Great Britain, etc., as you guys are kind of a proxy for that.
You just mentioned the World Economic Forum.
You could get into the EU and that type of model.
So when was Trudeau put into power?
How was he put into power?
Why do you feel he was forced out?
You just talked about his unpopularity, but it's not like he's been that popular.
He didn't really have to leave.
He did, but at the same time, like you said, that doesn't mean that the people are going to have their voice and be able to elect a new leader.
Why not?
Well, this is a great question, and going back to the beginning about the distinction between America and Canada.
America is not really a democracy.
It's a country.
The way it's set up, fundamentally, is that it's designed to prevent mob rule by having a separation of powers between the judiciary, the executive party government, and the legislative branch.
Canada, as you quite rightly point out, is modeled after the UK system, which is a democracy.
Canada is a parliamentary democracy, and what it permits and what we're seeing right now played out in places like Canada and the United States and even Australia is mob rule.
Democracy permits mob rule.
The system that's set up in the United States is designed to prevent that.
The forefathers in your country were very wise in this regard.
So what we're seeing right now is Justin Trudeau is that he has actually abandoned the sort of parliamentary conventions, the ethics of being a parliamentary member.
He's been six times convicted.
of criminal offenses violating parliamentary ethics where he's lied and he's been dishonest while he's been our Prime Minister.
This is quite unprecedented.
So what he's done is he's essentially pushed all the buttons that previous Prime Ministers kept their hands off of because they didn't want to be seen putting their hands in the cookie jar.
And I think this will be Justin Trudeau's legacy.
It will be a legacy of unethical government, a legacy of abuse.
of the citizenry in favor of essentially someone who is a ranked narcissist.
He's almost like somebody who is playing the role of a prime minister in our country as opposed to being someone who's actually exercising leadership.
In fact, if any of your viewers ever saw the episode of The Simpsons with Justin Trudeau on there, I don't think anyone captured Justin Trudeau, his essence, as well as The Simpsons did.
It was a good episode.
I'm a big fan of that one, actually.
But I'm a big fan of The Simpsons in general.
Me too.
Yeah, yeah.
So let's talk about, you know, you alluded to the fact that he may get some kind of appointment or position in the World Economic Forum okay.
I would say my real concern is that the World Economic Forum is still going to exude its influence and power over Canada by putting similar people in power there.
Do you think there's a possibility of a shift against that or is your nation just too far captured?
Look, I understand there's somewhat of an awakening there, just like there has been in the United States.
Obviously, the trucker convoy and those type of events had people looking outside of the box, but...
The World Economic Forum in itself is only a forum, right?
It's only a mouthpiece for a larger globalist agenda.
We haven't really even discussed the Bilderberg Group, which just named Stoltenberg as their new co-chair on the steering committee.
Huge global move.
Most people don't even understand what that means.
We haven't mentioned organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Royal Institute of Affairs, which it's...
Brother or sister program over in the United Kingdom, which also exudes a lot of influence in the globalist arena over these governments.
So when we talk about that aspect, what do you think you can expect on the incoming government?
And will, if it's not satisfactory and it's among those lines, will it be enough to get the people motivated to challenge that?
Well, this is a very astute point that you make, and it's actually...
The reason why people like you are talking to me about Canada.
You know, where Robin Williams wants to joke that Canada is essentially a loft apartment over a great party.
We've been an afterthought.
But we're not an afterthought to the Trump administration.
Very interestingly, people like Donald Trump and Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, Mr. Holman, Tulsi Gabbard, and others have been recognizing for a long time, going back to the Freedom Convoy, really, that The situation in Canada, the Communist Party, pardon the pun, that's going on here, poses a geopolitical threat to the safety and security of the United States.
Canada has become, under Justin Trudeau, a CCP client state.
We have proven interference of the Chinese in our last two national elections.
That's how Justin Trudeau was able to win three national elections in six years.
So the question of what Canada is going to be going forward is a very, very important one, and I think that...
The Trump administration has its finger firmly on his administration, his new administration, which is going to take effect later this month, is going to tolerate this from Canada any further.
I think that Justin Trudeau was told when he was summoned down to Mar-a-Lago recently that the jig was up and that he was going to have to get in line.
I see MAGA, and you might disagree with this, I don't know, but I see MAGA as more than a political movement.
I see it as a made in America global response to globalism.
It's a very important movement culturally, politically, and indeed even spiritually.
I was at Henderson, I was at a rally, a Trump rally in Henderson right before the election.
I can tell you being there with 20,000 people, a circle of 200 people holding hands praying that Donald Trump would win the election, that has an effect on you.
And I left there with a whole new insight into what MAGA is about.
And it's resonating here in Canada.
We're seeing the aftershocks.
It's why countries like Japan and Hungary and Serbia and others are really taking notice to what's going on in America.
And I see the situation.
Canada's best hope for being a free and prosperous nation again, being sort of rehabilitated to that dignity, is to get in line with what's happening in the United States.
Politically homeless for two plus decades.
I have voted for this guy with all of his imperfections three separate times now.
I won't register Republican.
I've never registered Democrat.
I want to keep my independent identity so that I can criticize both sides from a position of strength.
However, you know, I spoke on the Reawaken America tour.
I'm on a largely And look, the bottom line is, even if it's on the peripheral, people that normally would not have awakened to some of the issues that we've just discussed in the last 10 minutes in this segment would not be there without Trump.
And whether you love the guy or you hate the guy, Because, again, he's a polarizing figure.
I understand that.
He is, by far, without a doubt, anybody that, again, is being intellectually honest, the most popular political figure, forget about president, in my lifetime.
There is nobody else.
I mean, you could talk about Reagan.
It's not even ballpark, everybody.
I mean, you've got to remember this guy came from the world of celebrity and pop culture.
I never watched The Apprentice.
I couldn't give a rat's ass.
I was a little kid watching him at the WWF before it was the E, and he extended that.
He knew how to tap into those things.
And quite frankly, you know, when he went up there on the podium to debate in 2016, I was much more of a Rand Paul guy.
You know, I like what Rand had to say, but guess what?
They gave Rand six minutes on that stage.
Trump got 20 and killed it.
He came at it from a position that Rand Paul never could because Rand Paul was never a multi-millionaire celebrity that had donated to a bunch of these guys.
And the bottom line is, with all of its warts, his first administration is the best presidency of my lifetime.
I think especially at the tail end when we're talking about...
COVID-1984, Operation Warp Speed, we get into some stumbling territory, no doubt about it.
I think the mea culpa is right in front of our face with Bobby Kennedy Jr. as the HHS secretary and what we're seeing in that realm.
I think the comeback from all the corruption in the FBI and the CIA is hopefully coming with mass declassifications.
And Kash Patel.
But I also think that we have to hold these people accountable and ensure those things happen and not just pass the buck because these four years are going to fly by and we don't know where it goes from there.
We're going to take a quick break.
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Okay.
Leighton, there is, you know, a sense, you talk about all those people praying of positivity here in the United States, right?
And really, you could talk about globally, right?
A couple weeks ago...
When I saw Donnie T up there in his first press conference, he's actually talking for 45 minutes, and he can speak, and he's taking questions, and he's trying to shake down this Japanese mogul for another $100 billion.
You know, that's what I want to see, right?
We're pretty happy about that type of stuff.
But at the same time, the guy's head was almost blown off five months ago, you know, maybe even less.
There's a second attempt.
I don't put it past these people for a third attempt.
When we are talking about Donald Trump and his opposition to a lot of the globalism that has been pushed, it has put him in a precarious spot when we're talking about...
Again, I hadn't seen a president shot since Reagan 40 plus years ago.
That doesn't happen unless they want it to happen.
What are your thoughts about that?
A lot of people, you know, not that the media ever really honed in on that.
They kind of either obfuscated it or ignored it as much as possible.
But I think there's a very real possibility of an attempt on this guy's life or his inner circle.
And the chaos that would ensue afterwards is almost unimaginable.
I think this is a danger, and it's frightening to say that.
I think one of the things that Donald Trump did, which was very wise, is...
During this past election, as opposed to 2020, he built a coalition of people.
And you have somebody there in J.D. Vance who really is a president in waiting.
And there are other people who could fill that role.
You have Ron DeSantis, I think, who could be an excellent president.
There are others there who could carry this movement forward.
I think Donald Trump realizes that the MAGA movement is bigger than him.
And this is something that's very important, and I believe that it will survive.
I would not want to see Donald Trump become a martyr.
I think he has a very important role to play, not only for the United States, but on behalf of freedom, world freedom.
And I tie Canada into that.
I'll give you one example.
The leader of our Conservative Party, Pierre Polivier, who is our best hope for the future in terms of being a responsible leader of our country.
You know, during COVID, He was pretty far to the left.
He would have fit squarely in with your Democrats in the United States.
Interestingly, he was interviewed on the Jordan Peters podcast just in the past few days, and that has been the most watched television or internet political event in the history of our country.
Over 50 million people have watched that interview, and what we hear during that interview is a Canadian leader who sounds like he's right in line.
With MAGA, he would fit squarely within the Trump coalition that's coming into power.
That's a very encouraging sign for Canadians, and I think it shows the broad impact, the resounding impact of the MAGA movement.
It's certainly a Made in America movement.
Many important political and cultural movements have started in the United States over the past century or more, but I think MAGA is going to be a very key one.
In the years coming forward.
And Trump needs allies.
He needs a strong and united Canada.
He needs Canada in line with what he's doing.
He can't afford, the United States cannot afford to have a country with the longest undefended border in the world with us being a net exporter of fentanyl to your country.
That's shameful.
That's awful.
Canadians should be embarrassed by that.
And all of this has to change.
Going forward, there are strong signs and positive signs that we're going to see America and Canada present more of a united front as they have in the past.
Well, I would just say this, you know, a lot of people have said the right things after the fact when it comes to the COVID-1984 nightmare.
Let us hope that we don't have another disaster because I certainly don't trust those people as far as I can throw them.
I think you mentioned it was, what, the Jordan Peterson podcast he was on?
Jordan Peterson, the shots were the best thing since breakfast.
Roll it up.
Oh, no, they're safe and effective and working and all that other stuff.
And, you know, it's funny because the guest I had on right before that, she has a book out, and the forward is by Jordan Peterson.
And also I'm going to say...
I'm a college dropout pizza guy, and I got it right.
So good for him on his PhDs and his Make Your Bed Johnny Nonsense.
I would just say, again, you've got to be your own hero, and we're going to have to navigate a lot of things, not only in these next four years, but so much more to come.
And that really comes to my final question.
You were to get everything you wanted with this Trudeau resignation.
What does that look like?
Who is your next prime minister?
What are the policies that come in?
Well, that's a great question.
I think in the short term, we need a national election.
I think our next prime minister is going to be Mr. Polivier.
In my ideal world, what he would do is draw close and draw very closely to American policy, both Domestic and foreign and really ally and align our economy with that of the United States and get to work on defending our borders.
You know, the Chinese and the Russians are very active in the quote-unquote Canadian Arctic, which is defended by the broad shoulders of the United States.
And I think I would like to see our Canadian leader get in line and be more cooperative and more collaborative with the Trump administration.
To our mutual benefit.
That's what I'd like to see in the short term.
In the long term, I actually foresee something different for Canada.
I think Canada needs someone like a Donald Trump or a Javier Millet or even Ronald Reagan who's going to come in from outside of the political process, who's going to bring in new ideas.
And I think that when that happens in Canada, I believe it will, that's where we're going to see significant change in Canada.
And that will determine Canada's future, whether we're going to be what we have been, that is a free and prosperous country that looks and feels a lot like the United States, or whether we're going to be a dystopian communist country, which was the clear vision of Pierre Trudeau, Justin's father, and Justin Trudeau.
As you quite rightly pointed out, that dream is not dead.
The resignation of the Prime Minister really changes very little.
The change has to come in Canada as it did.
In the United States from the grassroots level, not from experts, but from people who really care about their country, care about their communities, and are going to look really, in my opinion, as a Christian conservative, look to God to be the sort of guiding light and the head of the state.
That's what has made countries like the United States and Canada great, in my opinion, the most tolerant, the most welcoming, the most prosperous countries in the history of the world.
And to me, that combined, that allied future is what I would like to see.
You know, one of my highlights the past couple of years was Justin Trudeau scurrying away as he was shunted by the Chinese Prime Minister Xi Jinping, I believe, at the World Economic Forum or one of those globalist meetings.
Leighton Gray, it has been a pleasure.
Thank you so much.
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