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Sept. 11, 2023 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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Will They Take Out Trump With Owen Shroyer

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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and for the next hour, we're going to be talking to Owen Schroyer of Infowars.com.
He hosts the war room.
We're going to be talking Trump 2024, Babaik Ramaswamy, and so much more.
buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
What do you think the future holds?
Is it?
I don't know.
I mean, are they going to let Trump be president?
Of course.
I mean, look, if, you know, they protested him.
They called him names.
He won anyway.
They impeached him twice on ridiculous pretenses.
They fabricated a lot about what happened on January 6th in order to impeach him again.
It didn't work.
He came back.
Then they indicted him.
It didn't work.
He became more popular.
Then they indicted him three more times.
And every single time his popularity rose.
So if you begin with criticism, then you go to protest, then you go to impeachment, now you go to indictment, and none of them work.
What's next?
I mean, graph it out, man.
We're speeding toward assassination, obviously.
And no one will say that, but I don't know how you can reach that conclusion.
You know what I mean?
Like, they have decided permanent Washington, both parties have decided that there's something about Trump that's so threatening to them, they just can't have him.
I mean, they're putting him on trial in March of next year in the J6 case, which basically consists of trying to send him to prison for the rest of his life for complaining about the last election.
That's literally what it is.
Again, if this were happening in Moldova, the State Department would issue an all-hands-on-deck order to let the world know this is not a legitimate government.
And yet our government is doing it.
It's like it's really, it's hard to overstate how bad this is.
And I'm not, I don't, I don't know where it's going, but there's a collision that's clearly imminent.
And by the way, the president is senile in a way that's impossible to deny.
Biden's not running the government, you know?
So like, I don't know, man.
I've never been this worried about anything as I am about where this is going.
I would have to agree with Tucker Carlson that I have never been this worried about where our government currently is and where it is going.
However, I will disagree that I think assassination is on the table.
Instead, I think they're going to have these trials.
They're going to find him guilty in at least two of these cases and they're going to try to put him in prison.
Not try, but do that.
I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I look at what they've done in the last couple get a fair trial in this country.
I know there are those out there that are predicting some type of an assassination event, but I think they want him as a symbol for the rest of his life where they continue to assassinate his character.
Now, to discuss that and much more is Owen Schroyer.
Owen, I'd love to get openly talking about the possibility of an assassination.
However, I see these trials, number one, timed up for primary season.
I see the movement to try to take him off the ballot.
You know, the establishment does not want him as the pick.
And, you know, there are people like Roger Stone and others that say, even if he is convicted, there's nothing stopping him from running for Time, we know the obstacles.
So, what are your thoughts?
Well, it's great to be here with you.
And of course, you've been ahead of the curve on all of this as well.
And so, I think that we kind of have a different understanding, let's say, being in the InfoWars paradigm, understanding that the government's been this corrupt for a long time.
And so, when I hear Tucker Carlson say he's never been this worried, well, I think we've been this worried for a long time.
But getting to what's going on to Trump in these cases, you know, one thing that's interesting that I just continue to see, and it just happened again, is that whatever they put Alex Jones through first is he's usually the test case, whether it's censorship or now in this case, all of the lawfare.
And I think the same thing is going to happen here with Donald Trump and his legal team.
Now, I actually talked to a couple of Trump's legal counsel and kind of brought this up, and they kind of shrugged their shoulders and shrugged it off.
But the truth is, they think there's going to be a fair trial, they think they're going to be operating in some sort of a decorum of a normal court case.
They expect that there's good faith going to be coming from maybe the bench or the prosecution as well.
And so, they really think they're going to litigate this out.
And let's say, let's talk about the 2020 election issue.
Maybe they've got a ton of evidence.
Maybe they've got evidence we've never seen before, and all this work that they've been doing, and they're ready to present it in a courtroom.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not allowed to.
I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to just say, nope, you're not going to be allowed to present any of this.
And we're seeing that that's what they did to Alex Jones with the judgments, and that's what they just did to Rudy Giuliani in a case as well.
So, I hope I'm wrong that they're going to get into this court case and basically realize that, wait a second, we don't even get to present a case.
We don't even get to present evidence.
We don't get to have discovery.
We don't get to question witnesses that we call.
I hope I'm wrong about that, but it seems like that's where this could go.
And if that is the case, perhaps your prediction would ultimately come true and he would wind up being arrested and jailed.
And of course, they want him in jail the rest of his life.
Now, the one level that this could get to where there might be some reprieve is in the appeals or at the Supreme Court.
And I know that some are anticipating it to get there as well.
No doubt, as you mentioned, this is politically lined up.
Him, Donald Trump's supposed to be in court before Super Tuesday.
I think, Jason, that's going to lead to a record amount of votes on Super Tuesday for Donald Trump.
Most people don't really get involved until it's like late in the political season.
It's kind of like in a popular sports city.
Most people don't start wearing the hats or the shirts until the team is in the playoffs.
Same thing goes for politics.
So, usually, people aren't getting involved until it's prime time, presidential election season, even after you have the RNC and the DNC having their conventions.
But I think this thing is already, it already feels like it's mid-season form.
I think the Super Tuesday court date is only going to boost Donald Trump's numbers in Super Tuesday, him being in court on Monday.
So, I think there's going to be a lot that backfires.
It really just comes down to how much is Donald Trump's legal team going to be able to present, discover, and have allowed in the courtroom.
And how good are they going to be at presenting this?
Because it's not just going to be about the judge.
It really is going to be about the court of public opinion as well.
Can they present a good case to the United States of America people?
So, even if the case doesn't get a good result, the people can say, wow, this was unbelievably unfair.
And the awakening that we're currently in continues.
Well, let me just say this.
I think it is only in the court of public opinion that there is a chance.
And you kind of went over it.
Okay.
So let's talk about the case in Georgia and the RICO counts.
I'm no fan of Giuliani, but just like you said, they did a test case with Alex Jones, and there's this new thing where it's defaulting and you don't have standing.
And even if it does go up to the state Supreme Court level or Supreme Court level, it's often appealed.
So that's why I don't really have a lot of hope.
I think that's where they're going with these cases.
And let's talk about Alex Jones as a test case.
Now, whether you love Alex Jones, hate Alex Jones, you're somewhere in between.
When he first started getting deplatformed on the major social media companies, that's when Trump really needed to step in and say, look, these people are already protected for not being sued and putting algorithms out there that suppress content.
We need to stop that.
Instead, he remains silent.
And what happened to him?
Right as the election is being contested, he gets thrown off.
And that's kind of the problem with Trump and his hubris, right?
It's just like with Julian Assange, where he sends Dana Rohrbacher over to try to cut a deal, bring him over.
He wants to give up his sources during the Russia Gates scandal.
Won't do it.
Turns his back on Assange.
Well, guess what?
The same espionage act going after Assange.
They're going after you now.
And I think that the teeth are out in that case as well.
I think there's a lot of hopium surrounding it because of the judge in Florida.
But she's already proven that she's going to line these cases up just as we've seen.
And quite frankly, Owen, I said in 2020, after the dust settled, that they would probably leave him alone if he didn't run again.
If he runs again, they're putting him in prison.
The only question left to me is: what does the country look like if you put a former sitting president in prison?
And this time, really, for standing up for the people and the injustice system we have going up against it.
But, you know, I've been an advocate for many former presidents actually being jailed for their war crimes.
It's an inverted reality.
Well, you know, this is an interesting topic of discussion because we've never seen a political figure, the likes of Donald Trump be persecuted like this.
I mean, we've seen it in the past.
You know, obviously, Martin Luther King might be a good example of this.
Some might even point to Richard Nixon, but he didn't go through the ringer like Donald Trump is.
And so I would expect, let's say they do decide to put Donald Trump in jail.
Let's say they do arrest him, however, that goes.
I mean, there would obviously be massive protests in the streets.
I mean, that is just inevitable.
I don't know if it would look like January 6th or not.
I don't know if it would look like if you were following the Tommy Robinson protests when they had him in jail, just streets packed with people chanting Tommy Robinson.
Trump has really, I mean, he's got that kind of support.
There's just no doubt about that.
I mean, I don't know if the controllers of Washington, D.C. want to even set themselves up for something like that.
That's why I think really the real card they'd rather play is to just get rid of Donald Trump.
He's obviously not going to go anywhere politically, even if he is in a jail cell.
I think that's why Tucker Carlson says when you look at this potential timeline of events here, it seems like assassination is more of the finish line than even imprisonment.
And of course, assassination is no stranger to American politics either with Abraham Lincoln, JFK.
So there is sadly a history of that there.
The one thing is Donald Trump probably has the best Secret Service ever.
And obviously, that's not going to be an easy job.
However, Donald Trump is a man of the people and he puts himself out there quite a bit, you know, just randomly on a whim.
Donald Trump more than any other president will just say, hey, I'm going to go do this.
Hey, I'm going to go do that.
Hey, I'm going to walk across the street to this church with a Bible, stuff like that.
And so, you know, I don't know.
I think that that's why Tucker Carlson and others have probably landed on that conclusion.
I don't really like to get that dark with it, but it's a fact.
That is part of America's history.
Presidents have been assassinated, and it seems to be presidents that go against the current established order, which is what Donald Trump represents.
Well, let me just say this.
When we're talking about assassinations and Secret Service in particular, it's really unheard of that a guy like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that is polling so well, even though the Democrats don't want to have debates, don't want to have a primary season, want to roll Zombie Jay out there another time, they won't even give him Secret Service protection.
And that's scary.
You know, it's scary that they were able to militarize DC after January 6th.
There are just so many things that have been unprecedented during this administration and beyond.
The two impeachments, I mean, those were beyond laughable.
The Russia Gate hoax.
I could continue, and we will.
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about Trump and his latest video calling out round two of the COVID 1984 nightmare.
It is making sense of the madness.
We're joined by Owen Schroer, and we'll be back after this.
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What should people know about that whole blowup with Project Very Tusk?
I read a few people wrong, and that's my fault, but I learned from that, and I think I'll be a more effective messenger as a result of that.
That'll free me up to do the next chapter, the next stage of my evolution, which is OMG, which is decentralizing journalism.
And sometimes things happen for a reason.
That's my goal.
That's my mission.
And I didn't ask for that.
Listen, I never thought that would be my mission.
It just has become my mission.
And I'm excited about it.
The left-wing lunatics are trying very hard to bring back COVID lockdowns and mandates with all of their sudden fear-mongering about the new variants that are coming.
Gee whiz, you know what else is coming?
An election.
They want to restart the COVID hysteria so they can justify more lockdowns, more censorship, more illegal drop boxes, more mail-in ballots, and trillions of dollars in payoffs to their political allies heading into the 2024 election.
Does that sound familiar?
These are bad people.
These are sick people we're dealing with.
But to every COVID tyrant who wants to take away our freedom, hear these words.
We will not comply.
So don't even think about it.
We will not shut down our schools.
We will not accept your lockdowns.
We will not abide by your mask mandates.
And we will not tolerate your vaccine mandates.
They rigged the 2020 election and now they're trying to do the same thing all over again by rigging the most important election in the history of our country, the 2024 election.
Even if it means trying to bring back COVID, but they will fail because we will not let it happen.
When I'm back in the White House, I will use every available authority to cut federal funding to any school, college, airline, or public transportation system that imposes a mask mandate or a vaccine mandate.
Thank you very much.
So, once again, InfoWars ahead of the curve.
It's been a whirlwind the last two or three weeks when Alex Jones went on air and discussed a TSA whistleblower.
And almost at the same exact time, Owen, we had the mainstream media not only hyping up new variants, but you did see mask mandates returning in schools, hospitals, and other arenas.
That coupled with documentation from the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans, where they were ramping up what?
Buying into testing and this new vaccine.
You have Zombie Jay who can barely take a question without absolutely pooping himself, describing a new shot coming out.
So, number one, what do you think of Trump finally coming out?
What do you think about the fact that the Zeitgeist has been so quick and the Alex Jones was right again scenario came at a rapid pace?
Number one, have we stopped round two of this?
And number two, what do you think about Trump actually identifying it?
Is he finally going to come around and reject the COVID-19 44 shots and the like?
So, that's an interesting one because, really, that is Trump's weakness, if he has one.
It's that he was president during the lockdowns.
He did initiate Operation Warp Speed.
And so, ironically, Twitter's community notes have been pointing this out with that video that's going viral on Twitter or X now.
So, even community notes hitting it, pointing out, hey, you know, you were president during these lockdowns.
You were president during these mandates.
You were president during Operation Warp Speed.
And that is totally fair criticism of Donald Trump.
What I find interesting about that video is he does really throw a major haymaker there.
I mean, that is a total right hook on that stance that he's never thrown before.
And that's not something that Donald Trump does willy-nilly.
You can read about his strategizing when it comes to negotiating in the art of the deal.
And he doesn't like to wind up for a haymaker unless he knows he's got everything on his side and he's got it locked in because you can swing and miss, and now you're exposed to get a haymaker thrown on you.
Now, what worries me is the agents of evil that we're dealing with that are looking for this corporate world government digital slave system to be implanted by 2030, they've got all kinds of tricks up their sleeve.
And my fear is they could release something that might be extremely deadly, or they could release something that at least looks really bad, like a hemorrhagenic fever, and people are bleeding out of their eyes and ears or something like that.
And then that, of course, would be used against Donald Trump in a video like that saying, oh, yeah, well, look what he's done.
He caused this.
So for him to take a major swing like that is an interesting approach.
But that's also fair criticism of Trump, how he was there for the lockdown.
So for him to totally pivot right now, a smart thing, I would say, politically.
However, he's usually more reserved in making these major pivots because he realizes that sometimes you throw a haymaker and then one can hit back on you.
Now, as far as the quickening is concerned, you know, I guess you could say it used to be InfoWars, you know, maybe 20 years ahead and then maybe 10 years ahead and then maybe five years ahead and then maybe a year ahead.
And then now we're like a month ahead.
In this case, maybe like a half a month.
And really, this is just people, you know, part of the role that InfoWars serves that's so important is that we have such a large platform and such an audience, audience of activists that, you know, that's the real danger.
I mean, we can go on air and cover news and warn about the new world order coming and maybe we're the best at it.
Maybe there's others better.
We have whistleblowers that come forward.
We have doctors.
We have all these people that can come forward.
They can put out a message on the InfoWars platform on the Alex Jones show platform and it gets out and other people analyze it and break it down and respond to it.
And so that's really kind of the major, you know, force factor of the InfoWars intergalactic battleship, if you will.
So they give Alex information and then other people follow up with other information.
And now, and I'm sure that you have the same thing.
Now I'm just hearing from teachers, doctors, nurses, people that work in other industries in the service sector.
And they're saying, yep, we're hearing about masks.
We're hearing about vaccines again.
We're concerned it's coming back.
And so I think we have been ahead of this and it's going to be hard for them to really bring it back.
And I mean, if Donald Trump is up here saying, we will not comply or do not comply or I will not comply, whatever it was exactly, then that's only going to get his support base even more affirmed for that rejection of these mandates.
And I said this too.
And I don't know if you went through this, but I mean, a lot of people did where you felt like a lone wolf, not wearing a mask, rejecting a mask, the vaccines.
You know, you might have felt like a lone wolf, specifically in public dealing with this stuff.
I don't think that's going to be how it goes this time.
I think if you're somewhere and people are talking about you need to put on a mask and you say no, I think more people are going to have your back.
I think more people are going to agree with you.
So I think that that is inevitable.
But again, the backdrop is always these satanic freaks that run our planets and have biological weapons labs and make vaccines against us.
I mean, who knows?
Who knows what they might have up their sleeve to try to implement another pandemic?
Well, when you talk about the release possibly of something more deadly, I always say it like this.
I doubt that they would release something that they don't themselves have some kind of a cure for or can prepare for.
In other words, they don't want to put themselves at risk.
As far as rolling it out with the masks already happening on a micro level, I think the do not comply message also means, look, if they're doing this at your job, you just need to leave.
And if it's at your school, you need to leave.
There's no messing around and putting it on and dancing around.
You need to not comply right away.
As far as Trump and his hubris, right?
That is his, I would say his biggest flaw is that he can never admit when he's wrong.
And right here, he's kind of admitting he was wrong without saying it.
Now, at the same time, you mentioned bringing it to his base.
You know, we saw each other over at the Reawaken America Tour.
And I would say a large part of that, of course, is his base.
And there are a lot of more mainline conservatives there.
I think that it's very obvious that these are the people that are anti-Shot.
And he just needs to come across and say, look, these people lie to us.
You know, he also has to have the hubris of saying, I didn't have the best administration the first time around.
People like John Bolton, James Mattis, Bill Barr, and even Mike Pompeo aren't good guys.
And I think the next move to really bring a lot more people behind him is to start to talk about who would be in this administration.
You know, obviously it's not going to be a Mike Pence as the VP pick.
A lot of people are talking Carrie Lake.
I really like her.
But this has to be an administration where things actually get done.
Oh, and there isn't this backdrop of Bill Barr heading up the Epstein case and Mike Pompeo saying not to release the JFK files.
Quickly on the Carrie Lake thing, I think that she's got too much political capital in Arizona.
I think she's probably going to get back involved there.
So I don't know if VP is going to be a role for her.
It is going to be interesting to see where Trump goes with that.
But admitting he was wrong, I mean, maybe here's the interesting thing that we can't forget, too.
There are Trump supporters and voters out there that actually like the shot.
I mean, that's just true.
There are, I mean, not to make a blanket statement of it, but there are boomer Trump supporters that like the shot.
They really like it.
I've met these people.
They think he did a great job with the shot.
And so he doesn't want to upset them.
And some of them were even extremely anal about it, about making sure that everybody around them had a shot.
So I think that he's always kind of, you know, he's always had this approach of I'm everyone's president, except maybe the fake news media, but he's always kind of had that approach before of I'm everyone's president.
And so I think he always tried to do something for everybody.
And I think even the vaccines were a part of that approach.
But maybe now that he's been through the ringer and he's got the Democrats coming for him and all this other stuff, he's maybe kind of abandoned that a little bit.
He's hammering a lot harder against the left.
He's calling out the sick freaks.
I mean, he keeps saying they're sick, and they really are.
They are mentally disturbed.
So, I mean, I think that there are Trump supporters that did get the vaccine.
There are Trump supporters that do like vaccines.
And he just wanted to kind of keep them at ease with this whole thing.
But now he's obviously realized that, you know what, that's a small portion of my supporters.
And maybe it's, and maybe even he's realized that he was lied to about the vaccine.
Maybe even he has realized that the vaccine has been a disaster and deadly for far too many people.
I don't know.
He hasn't gone that far yet.
I mean, that would certainly rattle some cages in DC.
I don't expect him to go that far since he did run Operation Warp Speed.
But yeah, I mean, I guess in a way, that is a bit of a backhanded admission that he kind of messed up the first time with 14 weeks to flatten the curve and/or else it was.
Yeah, no, that's the thing.
Bidenomics Unpacked: Prices & Sustainability 00:05:18
You have to own up to your mistakes.
And, you know, one of the other things that really upset me was right before they fire Tucker Carlson.
He does the interview with Tucker and he talks about chemical weapons in Syria in Douma.
And that didn't happen either.
And we had a president who was talking about getting out of Syria the previous two weeks.
All of a sudden, the non-attack happens, and then he fires missiles in there and he triples down years and years later.
He's got to be able to say, these people lied to me, and I didn't know what to do.
And the reports showed this, and I can't put these people around us anymore.
That's how you really strengthen the military, in my opinion.
And you've had guys like Bannon come as far as to say, and I don't know whether this is fantasy land.
I feel like it probably is that on day one, he's going to declassify the JFK, the RFK, the MLK, the Malcolm X, and even the Epstein files, which, as you know, would turn things into an uproar.
Is any of that possible?
But isn't that at the same time what the people deserve?
And I'll even throw another one on there.
You really want to change the country.
You want to try to bring back the Constitutional Republic.
You declassify everything 9-11 and you hold people accountable.
Well, I can't speak to Trump's strategy.
I would say doing that day one would not be the best idea.
I think what he needs to do day one is just turn the power back on.
I mean, he basically just needs to run down that utility line and just push all the valves back on, flip the energy back on, flip the gas back on, flip the coal back on, completely destroy all these green deals that are providing us unsustainable energy.
You know, they say sustainable energy.
All these buzzwords they use, just assume it's the opposite.
It's unsustainable energy.
He needs to shut down all the unsustainable energy and bring back all of the sustainable energy, lower gas prices, lower energy prices, cut taxes.
That's what I would do if I was Donald Trump day one.
The Biden economy is not being anywhere near properly covered.
There is a massive story happening right now, and not many people are talking about it.
We are in the beginning of a serious Biden recession, even depression.
I mean, you want to talk about the future.
This next year, people are going to feel it.
They already are.
There's no relief in sight.
Prices are going up.
So the Bidenomics, Biden economy is really this kind of brewing story that the mainstream media doesn't want to talk about because they got to tell you how great Biden Ox is.
And that's all Joe Biden is campaigning on.
There is no other campaign message from Joe Biden.
It's just Bidenomics, Bidenomics, Bidenomics.
Well, what Bidenomics?
Americans are being crushed financially right now.
We're past a recession.
I think we're really in the beginning of a great American depression right now.
So day one, Donald Trump needs to turn the energy back on, cut taxes, and give Americans, I mean, another year and a couple months of this Biden economy.
People are sweating right now.
So that's what I would do: I'd come in and I'd give a little bit of relief to the American people.
And then if you want to start getting into some things to make the media, you know, throw the red meat to the media, then maybe get into that.
But day one, we got to fix this economy, man.
We are in a bad way right now.
Energy prices, I mean, we are getting crushed right now in the energy sector.
We're getting crushed right now in the financial sector with what the Chinese and the Russians and others are doing with bricks.
If this is not addressed, our way of life is over, man.
I like living in America.
I like our high standard of living.
I mean, we don't appreciate it enough.
And I'd like to maintain that.
But another year and a half of Biden is going to be painful enough.
Another six years of a Democrat Party policy, I don't see how America doesn't turn into the likes of a third world hellhole.
No, with the energy, especially, I have to agree with you, but the other things to me are very important.
I want to shift gears when we come back and talk Vivek Ramaswamy because he's the only one up there other than the establishment candidates and maybe Trump a little bit, but not, I would say, at the length that Ramaswamy has questioning the climate agenda and laying out eloquently why indeed it is a hoax.
We'll be back after this with Owen Schroyer.
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So my question for you is about the remedy.
If you don't want to cut fossil fuels, which you just said, you don't want to cut carbon emissions or promote clean energy, what would your policies be to slow things like droughts, like flooding, and other damage to our planet?
I think we should focus on adaptation and mastery of any change in the climate through technological advances powered by fossil fuels and other forms of energy.
I have no opposition to what does that mean?
Dana, I do think it's a bit of a mystery.
What does that mean?
Is look at the quality of our buildings.
Look at the quality of temperature controls.
This is actually what has allowed human beings to die less of climate-related disasters today than before.
And the reason I call the climate change agenda a hoax, Dana, is that it actually has nothing to do with the climate.
This has to do with global equity.
And the reason why is the same people who are opposed to carbon emissions are also among those who are most opposed to nuclear energy, the greatest form of carbon-free energy production known to mankind.
This doesn't make sense.
Increase nuclear energy.
Is that one of the remedies?
Absolutely.
Oh, I unapologetically pro-nuclear energy.
In fact, I've laid out a plan to get government regulation out of the way for nuclear energy.
Can I just quickly go back?
So you're saying, like, build taller buildings and have better air conditioning and heating systems.
That's your remedy for the climate crisis?
Well, there's a fuller totality of the way we use fossil fuels to live more advanced lives that protect us from all risks, not just climate-related risks, but all risks to humanity.
Right now, most people who are dying are dying actually of lack of access to energy at all, not because of the effects of climate change.
The models that you described are, I think, badly fabricated.
And if you want a good piece of evidence for this, remember in the 1970s, that's not that long ago.
In the 1970s, the same expert class was warning of a global ice age if we didn't stop using fossil fuels.
That same expert class is now warning of global warming.
So I think it is a fatal conceit of false hubris.
And the reality is we should focus on human flourishing, not carbon emissions.
That's what we should measure.
You got to like the guy when he lays it down like that, especially when the confused CNN anchor woman looks like a valley girl that doesn't quite know what to do.
What are your thoughts on Vivek?
Because there are those that will say he's a plant.
He's a Soros guy, right?
And by the way, I don't believe in benevolent billionaires.
I think everybody should be questioned.
But as far as other candidates, he's smoking them and he's saying things that nobody else out there will say.
As far as his rhetoric goes, A.
I mean, I don't see how you could cut it any other way.
I mean, maybe you could say an A because I think he has said some things where maybe he even kind of changed his stance after he was like, well, maybe I didn't say that correctly, or he saw some of the political response to it and said, okay, well, you know, maybe this is the better response to that.
But I would say as far as, I mean, he remains consistent in being against the administrative state.
He remains consistent in wanting to empower America through energy.
He remains consistent in calling the climate change agenda a fraud.
You know, isn't it amazing?
You talk about the CNN host, and I'm watching that along.
I'm trying not to burst out into laughter because he provides a very fair and eloquent response to her question.
And she's literally like, she doesn't even understand.
Like, she doesn't even get it.
She's like, build taller buildings with AC units?
Like, it's like, what don't you understand that modern technology has saved people from dying from weather events?
That's like, that's the whole purpose of what he's saying.
And they can't even, they can't even wrap their minds around it because they really believe their own propaganda.
You know, and that's what that shows that these leftists, even in the media, these are supposed to be intellectuals.
And these leftists just believe their own propaganda.
And so I hope he continues to hammer this.
And the beautiful thing is, for whatever reason, they just keep giving this guy the platform to do it.
It's, I mean, that's why I think people are like, this is too good to be true.
But I tuned in to CNN earlier today because I monitor the fake news too to see what they're saying.
And I forget what they were attacking him on, but they were attacking him on something.
Oh, oh, it was they had a GOP chairman on or something, and they were attacking Ray Moswami.
Oh, so the Republican establishment doesn't like him either?
Gee, I guess that just makes me like him even more.
Now, as far as the issue is concerned, the background with Soros ties or globalist ties or big pharma ties, I would say that the good news is that we're having this conversation.
The good news is that we're really vetting our candidates now.
The good news is that people are paying closer attention than they ever have to this.
So the fact that we're just having this debate and having this conversation, I think is good news in and of itself.
Now, as far as his background is concerned, I think he's addressed all of these issues.
He's answered multiple questions on the Soros issue, the big pharma issue, the selling of the stocks issue.
As far as I can tell, his answers are adequate to me.
So I can see how a young guy who's obviously smart and well-read and successful in the private industries that he could end up getting tied in, specifically what he was doing with drugs to big pharma.
He could end up getting tied into Soros fellowship programs and all this stuff.
And he explained it as a scholarship.
He said, of course, I would take it.
So I could see that happening.
It's not out of the realm.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he's totally committed to the ideals or the values that are promoted by such groups.
He's just a young guy that they're starting to lure in.
I had a lot of different views when I was in my young 20s.
I had a lot of views in my early 20s or late teenage years that I would look at myself now and I'm completely opposed to.
So anybody I think can have that change.
And he's also had a couple children since those things happened in his life.
So I know that will always change your worldview.
But as far as the criticism or skepticism, I think it's healthy.
I think it's totally healthy.
Now, where do I stand on?
So what's the move?
Vivek has no political capital.
So I can't vote for him, even though I really like him, even though I think his candidacy might be one of the, I mean, I would say probably the third most important candidate is V. Vake.
It would be Donald Trump, RFK Jr., and then maybe Vivaik.
I mean, Vivaik may be even flirting with RFK Jr. as far as who's having a more important role in this election cycle.
But he's got no political capital.
So I wouldn't vote for him.
I don't think Donald Trump should make him his vice president.
But if he wants to earn some political capital and he wants to get a chance to prove to the voters he's the real deal, I think he'd be a great cabinet pick for Donald Trump.
Many different positions I could see him filling.
And the fact that he is so charismatic and well-spoken, I mean, that just adds to whatever department you end up putting him in because he can clearly present the ideas and the actions that they're taking.
So he talks about wanting to get rid of the administrative state, put him on a cabinet position that's in charge of draining the swamp, as Trump puts it, and let's see him earn some political capital.
Let's see him get some skin in the game and earn the voters' trust.
So until then, that's where I stand.
I wouldn't vote for him.
However, I think he might be the second most important, if not the third most important candidate right now in the 2024 election cycle.
Well, I'd agree with the estimation on where his importance is in this cycle.
As to a administration position, I mean, obviously, he'd make a great press secretary.
You know, that's a little light, but at the same time, dealing with the media is huge.
And like you said, he's very good.
No, no, no, no.
I want that job.
That's my job.
I'm coming for that job.
Well, and God bless you for it.
It's not something I'd want.
I'm sure you're age 20 years.
That's the only job I would take in D.C.
I would never want to work in D.C., but I think I could sacrifice four years of my life to deal with the media jackals.
I think that's the only thing I'm doing.
I hate D.C. so much, bro.
I don't know.
It's so bad.
It's really bad, isn't it?
It's the worst.
I don't want to get too far off because I still want to talk about Ramaswamy.
Then we're going to take a break.
And then I want to talk about some of the other candidates.
But to me, obviously he dominated in the debates, even with the very apparent donor class that would cheer for some of the other jackassery that Pence would put out there or even DeSantis.
You know, he's the only guy saying no.
The Ukraine thing's over with.
Nikki Haley wouldn't talk that way.
DeSantis wouldn't talk that way.
And you could see that to me, the establishment pick obviously was DeSantis.
They wanted to push him into the Republican nomination.
They see that that's faltering.
They're trying to play a little bit of the vice president evangelical card with Pence.
They gave him a lot of time.
Christie's almost like a cartoon heel at this point.
Oh, I don't know what happened there, unfortunately.
So what do you think?
Can Ramaswamy get the nomination if Trump's out of the picture, Owen?
Boy, you know, it's hard for me to even see that because I don't see how they get Trump out of the way, really.
I mean, I guess the argument is going to end up being they're going to try to get him off the ballot.
And so maybe the Republican response is, so maybe the GOP response is, well, hey, look, we got to have somebody on the ballot, right?
That's the wrong response.
They should still say no right in Donald Trump.
That's what they should be doing.
But obviously, they don't want Donald Trump either.
I think you're 100% right.
DeSantis was their pick.
Now he's basically the political Icarus, and he's going to fall flat to earth.
I don't see any political future for him.
Mike Pence is just, his brand is phony as a $3 bill now.
So nobody's going to get behind that.
So, I mean, I don't see anybody else.
Yeah, like you said, I mean, Chris Christie, no.
So I don't really see anybody else that can catch V. Vaik right now.
I mean, he's consistently pulling number three and number two sometimes behind Donald Trump and ahead of Ron DeSantis.
So I think it's a very realistic thing if for some reason Donald Trump doesn't get the nomination.
It's amazing that that's where we're at.
I mean, the guy who got the most votes for a sitting president of all time and a guy who I've never seen a political movement like this.
I don't know why the Republican Party won't get behind it, except for what you and I probably believe is that the Republican Party is corrupt.
It's part of the unit party system in D.C. that's been screwing the people over for my entire life.
But now there's actually some good people coming up through the Republican Party.
So I do believe we can reform the Republican Party, but I guess this is kind of it, right?
I mean, this is kind of the test.
Are we going to get, are the voters going to get to decide what happens as far as Republican Party nominees and candidates are concerned?
Or is the GOP establishment going to try to railroad us again and give us another bushite?
So that's really what we're up against here.
I think Vivek is the outside candidate if Trump is removed from the picture, let's say.
And I do think he's the closest thing to Trump politically.
He's the closest thing to Trump as far as the rhetoric is concerned.
So yeah, I mean, I would say as things stand with not with no Donald Trump in there, I think Vivek would get the nomination.
We got to take a break.
I want to talk more about that and really the similarities and the differences between Ramaswamy, Trump, and the other cast of characters.
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And Owen, here's my conspiracy theory.
Here's where I see things going.
This is total speculation, but I see that these cases go through.
I see at least a couple convictions.
Again, you look at what's happening in Georgia with the RICO case.
We don't even know how many people are going to be indicted and how many people may flip because they realize they're going to be convicted of crimes they didn't even commit.
So you have that aspect of it.
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You have people like Newsome already trying to put into legislation taking Trump off the ballot, not just in the national election, but also in the primary.
If that happens in just a few states, that could be devastating, obviously.
And Newsom will be the furthest from the only one to do so.
Then let's talk Joe Biden.
They're not even rolling him out for the 9-11 anniversary.
They're throwing him in Alaska.
They want him nowhere near a camera or anything else.
We know this.
However, they don't want to admit, and when I say they, the establishment, the politicians, the media, that he's had dementia since day one and it's over.
They don't want debates.
They don't want a nomination process.
They want no way for RFK to even be able to amplify his voice.
So what are they going to try to do?
They're going to try to run Joe Biden against an establishment Republican candidate, whoever that may be.
I don't think that's going to be Vivek.
I don't think it's going to be Trump.
However, they do that, who knows?
We got a long way ahead of us.
But once he is elected, and I mean Joe Biden, and the Republican steps down because of the Democratic process, we don't challenge elections.
And this is, you know, the peaceful transfer of power, there's a possibility that Trump's already been convicted of the Espionage Act with these documents in that case.
Well, we know that Joe Biden actually committed crimes with documents as he was not the president of the United States when he took them.
And instead, you had a guy who was doing corrupt deals, not only as a vice president, but came out of the money laundering capital of the country and possibly the world, Delaware, right?
So you've got the conviction.
You've got Uncle Joe and his belovedness.
Before they actually install their leader, he steps down Nixon style because they say they don't want to put the country through this again.
They don't want another espionage act thing with Joe.
And they might be hinting that he might not even be all the way there to stand trial.
So he steps down and they just install a newsom.
And I know that Roger Stone's out there saying Michelle Obama, et cetera, et cetera.
I don't think they want any type of a process where, again, somebody like an RFK Jr. on the other side can be amplified.
Again, there's my conspiracy theory, Schroyer.
What do you think?
Well, let me first address the issue with getting Trump off the ballot.
And because I don't think it's going to come from California.
I don't think it's going to come from New York.
I don't think it's come from Illinois.
I don't think it's going to come from Oregon or Washington.
And the reason why is I think it's going to have to come from Georgia because they already assume the Democrats run those states.
And let's just all assume for odds making purposes here that the Democrat is going to win those states, right?
So Trump can be on the ballot in Oregon, Washington, California, New York, Illinois, but the Democrats probably going to win.
So for them to take Trump off the ballot in those states is really just a meaningless act.
And they don't want to spend this sort of social, political, cultural capital they have on a meaningful act.
So they're going to want to do it in Georgia.
That's where they're going to do it.
They want to start the precedent in Georgia, which is considered a red state, which it is outside of voter fraud in Fulton County, probably mostly a red state.
So I think Georgia is where they want to do it first.
They want to do it in a red state, and they want to have that domino effect starting in a red state.
And then they might also do it in all the other blue states, but they're going to want to do it in a red state.
They're going to want to do it in a place that's not going to be considered a Democrat-run state because that would be basically a futile act.
So that's just kind of my brief on that.
Now, I don't know.
I feel it would be aggressive for them to run Joe Biden and then have him just step down like that.
I'm sure that they've considered that as a potential.
I think the problem, though, is before you even get to that point, I mean, is Joe Biden even electable?
I mean, let's just say it.
I don't think Joe Biden is even electable.
Now, he wasn't electable on the first go-around and they got him in.
So, okay, you can make that point.
Well, they'll just run the same games that they did in 2020.
But I don't know.
I think more people are going to be against Biden this go-around, considering what a miserable presidency it's been.
I think a lot of the votes that Biden got were just anti-Trump votes.
I don't know if you're going to have that energy going to the polls anymore.
So the Democrats might look at this and say, we got to get Biden out of the way before the presidential election.
Forget about that.
Let's run him, get him in, and then have him step down.
I don't know.
I think that they might be trying to put the hook on Biden before he even runs.
I mean, here's the other interesting point, too, that sometimes we forget.
Joe Biden is really the perfect candidate that the Democrats or its owners want.
They want a president that can't think for himself, act for himself, talk for himself, just a total Manchurian candidate, as Donald Trump put it just last week.
So we got to keep that in mind, too.
I mean, so they might say, well, Joe Biden's unelectable, nobody likes him.
Or they might say, it doesn't matter whether he's electable or not, as long as we get him in the office, that's all that matters.
He'll sign whatever we tell him to sign.
He'll go and do whatever we tell him to do.
You know, you mentioned him, I guess they're going to hide him in Alaska during September 11th.
All of the other presidents have gone to either Pennsylvania, Virginia, or New York to be a part of those presentations.
Biden is not going to be doing that.
We all know why.
So I don't know.
I think that they would rather have a Biden in there who can't walk, can't talk, just does what he's told, signs what he's told, and doesn't even know the difference.
Not to mention how blackmailed he is.
I mean, how many different entities have this guy blackmailed and have direct interest on getting him back in the White House for their own agendas?
So there's a lot of different elements.
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And then why would they have to have him step down?
I mean, he might just croak.
I mean, he looks like he could croak at any moment, too.
So it's, you know, it's an interesting thing because we tend to focus on the Republican aisle, and that's because this is the aisle we're trying to save the country through.
But no, I think the Democrat Party aisle right now is in a, in, in, in kind of a chaos situation.
They don't want RFK Jr., but he's kind of the most popular candidate.
I mean, is Bernie Sanders going to come into this race at some time and try to save it?
I mean, what serious?
So I don't know.
I think it's kind of a chaotic situation they have because they don't want really their best candidate, RFK Jr.
Owen, we got to take one more break.
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And I would agree with you.
I don't think they want to roll out a Bernie Sanders or a Klobuchar or a Corey Booker or Grandma Oatmeal Elizabeth Warren again this time around.
They can't get Pete Bootlicker up there.
He's got a very, very cushy position as transportation secretary, talking about racist roads.
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And I think they want to continue on that path.
But at the same time, I don't think they want to give up power.
Period.
Amen.
And, you know, that's why I don't know how there's a path for even somebody like Arama Swami.
I fear that Newsom might not even go for the national election, but go for the throat and somehow get him off the Republican primary ticket.
And you know, there's plenty of establishment Republicans like Mitt Romney and others that will echo that position.
And again, I think that they'd rather do the prison thing than assassination.
We only got a few minutes left, Owen.
But if you were to put on your conspiracy theory hat, where are the next eight to 14 months taking us?
Wow.
Well, I don't think I have to put my conspiracy theory hat on.
I mean, if I was really going to go into it, I don't know.
Maybe we're going to have the fake alien invasion.
Maybe they try to get us involved in a hot war with Russia, you know, another pandemic.
I mean, when we start talking conspiracy theories, I'm talking about, okay, how are they going to put the people back under thumb?
And so those are, I think those are some of the cards that we might have in the deck.
But I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say, I think the American economy is really going to be hurting.
I think the American people are really going to be hurting a year from now.
And they're going to be thinking that when they go to the polls.
And I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say that the same very people you're talking about that have this lust for power that want to remain in power.
Well, yeah, you're right.
And they'll do anything to preserve it.
So do we have a stolen election, a rigged election?
I mean, we've already got the election interference going on.
So isn't it weird, though?
I mean, you used to say, okay, we're going to get a little conspiratorial.
This stuff is all very much within the realm now.
I don't even know where I, I don't even know where my conspiracy theory hat would take me because everywhere it takes me, I mean, these issues seem to be very much in the realm of reality, things that we might actually witness.
But I think, really, I think the big story is going to be the American economy.
I don't really think we're properly understanding what people are going through right now.
I think that this volcano is about to boil over.
And so really, we know that's what the establishment wants.
I mean, that's what the world government wants.
They want you broke and desperate and dependent on them so that they can control you.
So that's part of this rollout as well.
But I mean, you look at what we just saw in Maui.
People are talking about directed energy weapons.
People are talking about weather weapons because of these hurricanes.
So the conspiracy theory hat has been reproduced and multiplied, and a lot of people are wearing it now.
And when I start to go into these realms and down my line of thinking, seems like a lot of this is just in the realm of reality.
And yes, I do think it's going to be the next eight to 14 months before the 2024 election that, you know, somebody, somebody, somebody's going to hit bingo on their bingo card because one of these events is going to happen.
So that's the deal, man.
I think that you're right.
It's not really a conspiracy theory hat at this point.
It is an analyst hat and you do it well.
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