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Sept. 11, 2023 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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The Dark Aeon May Be Upon Us With Joe Allen

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Lots of Issues Discussed 00:01:35
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and it is my pleasure to spend the next hour with the author of Dark Eon talking transhumanism with Joe Allen.
Buckle up.
This is going to be a great one.
We're going to make sense of the transhumanist madness after this.
Now, over the years, I've talked about a lot of issues from government corruption to false flags to transhumanism.
And I've definitely talked more about transhumanism recently than ever before because I've seen a vast move, a push to bring this agenda full throttle, not only in this country, but around the world.
And transhumanism is a vast array of different things to a large array of people and entities.
So to break that down, I am pleased to have Joe Allen, perhaps somebody who spent even more time researching this subject than myself.
The book is Dark Eon.
Joe, let's get started on why you picked this topic for the book.
You know, Jason, I think the topic picked me.
Tech Agendas Explored 00:04:33
When the pandemic first rolled out, it was immediately apparent that tech companies would seize upon it to advance their agendas.
And you saw everything from the constant demand that people turn to Zoom for all interpersonal communications, that people turn to any kind of contactless technology in order to pay for things or in order to, you know, any really participation in society was beginning on it.
So that mass digitization, and if I could add one more example, the contact tracing apps, I think that made obvious what had already been going on for the past two decades more.
So all of that was readily apparent, but I hadn't quite congealed until I came across Whitney Webb's fantastic article.
It was when she was still at the American Vagabond, the last American Vagabond, and a techno-tyranny with a very long subtitle.
And it really, she had, of course, in her classic style, weaved a whitney web around the matter and showed not only the pre-existing agendas that were being fulfilled,
but its connection to the most powerful corporation, arguably in the world, Google, and a presentation, I think it was blandly entitled Chinese Tech Landscape, and showed that all of these different technologies being rolled out had been in the works for a long time and were waiting for a catalyst.
Then, you know, fast forward, we go through that first year of COVID.
Event 201 comes to light.
You know, Clash Schwab publishes the Great Reset.
All the tech Titans see their wealth explode.
And you see people becoming very quickly these sort of cyborg ants committed to pulsating in unison with their corporate queens.
And, you know, I started writing about this immediately in a very flippant way for Cold Type magazine.
I began to take it more seriously, writing a series of articles on technology for the Federalist.
Steve Bannon saw it.
He hired me.
He turned me into a cyborg.
I am now connected to my devices 24-7.
And it is upon this platform that I complain about the machines.
But I think that this issue, the question of how far it will go, how deeply interwoven will these technologies be with human life, with human nature, how much will our minds be determined by our technologies.
These are open questions.
Transhumanists have a very extreme answer.
And by my reading of the situation, they're not only more articulate prophets, I guess you would say, of the future, but also much more dangerous.
Their vision of the future is setting us up to become hyper-dependent on technology far beyond what we are now, and therefore very vulnerable to the control mechanisms, which are already a considerable problem.
They will only increase going forward with the adoption of these radical technologies.
Well, I would argue during the COVID-19 44 nightmare, you went from the established internet of things, which had been around for well over a decade but grown, and now into the internet of bodies.
And, you know, you had these track trace database elements before, but as you said, with these contact tracing apps, you were taking it a step further.
And the other thing that was really alarming during that time period is as they were pushing these technologies, they were pushing us further away from being human.
If you wanted to go see grandma, you couldn't, or you had to see her through a door.
People were hugging through plastics.
They were covering their face.
They were staying six feet apart.
And you also saw a larger transition into what, tele everything and telemedicine and teleeducation, which had been on the table for a very, very long time.
And even the automation and robotization of the medical industry in places like Australia, they'd been in Japan before.
But you saw this vast move to basically utilize technology to empower, I would say, the predator class at the top or the institutions that were the mouthpieces for them, mainly the UN, the WHO at the time, and really enslave and indoctrinate the rest of us with their agenda.
Pandemic Tech Experimentation 00:15:25
Yeah, you know, I'll try to keep the references to the book to a minimum, but this really, my head is suffused with it.
But the fifth chapter is a global pandemic as initiation rite.
And it was a concept that I'd written about before, was able to flesh out.
I don't mean to portray it as if the guys at the World Economic Forum or Tedros at the WHO, that they are sitting together in some sort of conventicle in black robes around pentagrams and initiating the rest of us into their satanic ideology.
Maybe in an impressionistic way, I mean that.
But I think that it was much more haphazard.
If this was some sort of coordinated ritual, some coordinated initiation rite, let's just say that I suspect that the priests are not necessarily visible to the naked eye, but that is undoubtedly what happened.
The effect of it was an initiation rite.
In classic, the kind of generic model of initiation rites from very savage, primitive tribes to what we would consider to be the most sophisticated, say, the mystery cults of the Greco-Roman era, or even the magicians of the Renaissance.
What you see is this initiatory process in which the world becomes chaos.
The world becomes the initiate, in essence, dies to the world.
And the world then is reformed in the initiate's mind.
The initiate becomes, in effect, human having passed through these ordeals.
Now, in a primitive tribe, that might be anything from jumping off the backs of buffalo to long periods of starvation.
And then they would emerge, maybe get tattooing, maybe get genital alterations, we'll say politely, something to that effect.
And, you know, more sophisticated forms in later cultures.
What we saw in the COVID-19 pandemic was exactly that.
The world became chaos.
People's lives were totally shattered.
The lockdowns restricted people from being able to move at all without government authority.
or without government assent, especially in more authoritarian societies like, say, China or Singapore.
And when they were able to finally be released from this haphazard and not very aesthetically pleasing ritual chamber, they did so by way of adopting a technology, the vaccine, the mRNA jab.
And this was portrayed as this sort of communion.
People would celebrate it in this ritualized form.
Some people even got like the J and J and Pfizer and Moderna tattoos.
They took to social media to post their vax cards.
They were now human once again.
They could now participate in society normally, but now they're more mature.
Now they have been initiated, I would say, in the cult of scientism.
And those who were already initiates, you could say that they moved up a grade.
So that pattern, it's in an impressionistic way, I think that you could imagine this as a magical ritual.
But in a very concrete way, Klaus Wab's Great Reset, which is a very boring book, by and large, but if you look at the flashes of inspiration and jubilation at this situation, you can see a very cynical mind who is really acting as a vulture on the corpse of modern developed society and finding ways to take advantage of this.
The primary focus for me, he mentions a number of different spheres from economics to social life.
The primary thing for me is his declaration that COVID-19 would represent a moment in which all of these technologies from contact tracing to mass vaccination to the roboticization of the economy to the roboticization of the human beings in that economy.
All these things that would be unacceptable pre-pandemic would become not only acceptable during the pandemic, but he predicted permanent.
Now, the new normal has been beaten back by people like you, by a lot of the people who I respect tremendously, Naomi Wolf, Robert Malone, so many different people have fought tirelessly to push it back.
And now the new normal isn't necessarily normal in places that maintained their freedom, that insisted on freedom.
But as we see, that agenda is not going away.
And I think that the future will really hinge upon who is able to say no, who puts their foot down and says, I am going to remain in the control group.
I am not going to be an experimental subject, be it vaccination, gene therapy, mass digitization, even brain interfaces, not necessarily implants, but even like non-invasive interfaces.
I am not going to meld myself to machine in any meaningful way.
It's going to be more difficult going forward, but I do have hope that this movement will continue to thrive and that people will maintain their freedom, at least some of us.
Well, I do want to get into both the invasive and non-invasive human brain interfaces in a bit, but kind of going on that path of COVID-19 and the transhumanist aspects and the ones that were pushed back.
You know, you mentioned, for instance, the mRNA shots.
And to me, this was another push for something that was not acceptable, that is bio-nanotech.
And I would say is transhumanist tech.
And at the same time, when you talk about the robotization of everything, you mentioned Singapore.
Well, in Singapore, they had the robot dogs out in mass very early on.
It wasn't six feet, it was three feet.
And the dog would let you know whether or not you were three feet from somebody and then identify you.
Now, they've tried the robot dog several times now in New York City.
They've been beaten back.
We had some limited uses of drones that were telling us what to do in this country, which would have been unimaginable.
It got pushed back.
However, you see the push to normalize these aspects.
And in mRNA specifically, it seems like not only are we not getting a choice, but they're now normalizing that in the regular quote-unquote flu shots and in animal vaccinations.
Yeah, and there was a document that was released.
It was actually uncovered by someone whose interpretation of the document I disagree with completely.
So I'm not going to call her out on this.
But there was basically the nanotech initiative put forward by the Biden administration.
It's chock full of these sci-fi fantasies about what the future of vaccination will be, among them being a universal nanotech-based vaccine.
I don't know what in the world they're imagining there.
I mean, I've seen certain models and prototypes put forward that you would be able to basically kind of update your immune system using things like mRNA, but actually using just purely synthetic particles is being proposed.
The reality of it is always slippery.
These people are dreaming up worlds, and the technology is always 10 steps behind their dreams, oftentimes going off cliffs and never being developed at all.
But you see, with the mRNA shot, it worked if the goal is to produce reams of toxic spike proteins in the body.
Yeah, that worked insofar as immunity goes.
That didn't work.
And if you follow in the camp that believes that the vaccine was rolled out or the mRNA jab was rolled out to intentionally weaken the populace, well, then I guess it really worked.
But, you know, one of the more striking statements made post-COVID, or it was really during the heat of it, it was at the World Health Forum, I believe, something to that effect, but it was Stefan Ulrich from Bayer.
And he openly bragged about, he boasted that before the pandemic, the mRNA shots and the wider gene therapy treatments would be completely unconscionable to most people.
Most people would never even consider it.
After the pandemic, most people were, at least a significant proportion of the population, were not only willing, plenty were ecstatic to take it.
And he depicted this.
It's easily twisted, but he basically talked about the mRNA model platform would be the gateway to more extreme gene therapies.
He didn't mention it specifically, but surely he means CRISPR therapies.
And beyond the concept, the technology itself, the lipid nanoparticle casing that's used to sneak the mRNA into the cell, it's almost functionally identical to the mRNA, sorry, the lipid nanoparticle casing that they use to sneak CRISPR into the cell.
So it's beyond conceptual.
Really, it was a way of testing a technology that they anticipate will be used widely.
CRISPR technology, of course, for anybody not familiar, I'm sure your audience is very familiar, but just to say, actually going in and altering the genome itself, cutting out certain genes, or even in the most advanced models, replacing genes with other functional genes.
So, or at least the nucleotides in order to change the function.
So, yeah, you know, on the bio level, right?
Biotech was the floodgates opened.
All this investment now, Pfizer, Moderna, they are working on mRNA-based vaccines for all sorts of diseases from the flu to HIV.
And they now have an open door.
They have an experimental population.
And we all know that all the downsides are completely swept under the rug, if not denied outright.
Even with the Ulrich statement, it's not that the media didn't acknowledge it.
They just focused in on one person who said, oh, look, this means that the mRNA vaccine is altering the human genome.
That's what Ulrich is saying.
That's not what he was saying.
He was saying something almost as nightmarish, though, but they use those sorts of statements to be able to report on this.
And they note correctly some inaccuracy and then therefore sweep the whole thing away.
I think the biotech element is really, really important because there is a huge desire to change the human genome in order to live longer, to gain better, you know, greater intelligence, make people stronger, make people more dexterous, make people more erectile functional, and things like this.
I think that this quest for human enhancement really does have its gateway in the pandemic because of the willingness to be an experiment, a lab rat for these technologies.
And of course, in the aftermath of all that, we saw the rollout of ChatGPT and the explosion of consciousness around AI.
Totally different topic in some sense, but all in all, you know, Jason, I think that that sense that the pandemic represents a real milestone in this transformative revolution, what Schwab would call the fourth industrial revolution, or transhumanists would just simply say the, you know, the transition into a man-machine merger.
It really brought that home.
It was a reality.
It is still a reality to the extent that people have continued to maintain those values and are continuing to be willing lab subjects for these mad scientists.
Well, the lab rats theme is the one that I think that they're going to capitalize on so that they can empower themselves and enslave the rest of us.
That seems to be the motto, and we don't really get a choice.
So many other things to discuss.
I want to talk about xenotransplantation.
I want to talk about human brain interfaces.
I want to talk about RNA micro factories, Elon Musk, and more.
We got to take a break.
We're going to be back with Joe Allen.
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It's making sense of the madness.
And Joe, you mentioned basically the rollout of AI post-pandemic.
And I would argue one of the reasons it's significant is because it's really about narrative management and control.
There are certain topics that are offhand.
The AI is not true AI, it's garbage in, garbage out.
In other words, it does what it's programmed to.
And the follow-up to the great reset is the great narrative.
And I think it's setting the stage where all these technologies get rolled out, and you're not going to be able to question them in the manner that we used to.
We already see the restrictions via social media, right?
But as more AI rolls out, I would say it's going to be less surrounded by social media, but this will be the new authoritative source.
We also see AI taking over in the realms of media.
For instance, it was huge at Bilderberg this year where they brought Sam Altman in just before his biometrics orb launch with again a tokenized blockchain people economy, the enslavement of us.
But then you also have Dolph, man, what's his last name?
It's going to kill me.
But the Axel Springer group all of a sudden announcing they're going to be integrating AI into their media organizations.
So I think that this is going to play a significant role in narrative management.
They already have Google, you mentioned them.
And at the same time, you know, Google is this massive company, really almost like a Russian dolls type company.
Military contracts everywhere.
YouTube's just one division.
Then you have their work with NASA and quantum computing.
And of course, you have Calico, which is their immortality division, headed up by probably the most well-known futurist, Ray Kurzweil.
So that's where I think AI integrates into all of this in the short term and then into the long term.
Where do you see it?
You know, the Chat GPT was certainly overblown.
Safety Layers Matter 00:14:04
Even GPT-4, which is a significant improvement over GPT-3, people, the ones who love it, saw it as potentially sentient, right?
And the same with Lambda at Google or Bard as it's known colloquially.
You had that guy, Blake Lemoyne, appearing saying that Lambda was sentient.
And there are a number of people who've made similar arguments regarding GPT.
So this whole concept, you know, to anybody who's skeptical of it, it just sounds ridiculous.
It sounds like science fiction.
I personally just say that it really doesn't matter what I believe in regard to that.
But what I do know, and I think that it's really important to look at GPT represented a major leap forward technically for artificial intelligence.
You know, in the old days when artificial intelligence was first coined, we're talking about 1956, the Dartmouth conference, guys like Marvin Minsky and John McCarthy, but they saw artificial intelligence as human equivalent, right?
A machine that could think like a human being.
That was the goal then, and really continued on through the 80s and into the early 2000s.
Now there's a distinction made.
It really started with Ben Goertzel of OpenCog, the guy who coined artificial general intelligence.
Shane Legg went on to co-found DeepMind, picked up by Google.
But this distinction was made between artificial narrow intelligence and artificial general intelligence.
Artificial general intelligence now is the goal, right?
That's the human level thinking.
It's able to think across multiple domains, so on and so forth.
Artificial narrow intelligence is a way to talk about AI without it being true AI.
And some people say, oh, well, that's just phony.
I disagree.
I would say that it represents a significant leap in the ability of a machine to perform cognitive functions.
So anything from facial recognition to language recognition, things like pattern recognition in communications and social networks, things like the ability to play games and operate drone systems or even weapon systems.
All those things are cognitive models.
Like if a human can do a math equation really, really, really quickly in their head, then you would say, well, this guy is smart, not because he's good at, you know, reciting Irish limericks, but because he can do those equations in his head.
A calculator, a pocket calculator is better than most humans, any human, at doing those equations.
Yet we don't attribute intelligence to the calculator because it lacks all those broad elements.
I think that with GPT, what you see is a large language model that's non-deterministic.
So it's not really programmed, so to speak.
Yes, it's programmed before its training phase.
But once it begins to train, the output is very much non-determinative.
It's really, yes, there are embedded biases in the machine, but you really don't know what it's going to say.
That's why it stunned so many people.
When it was first rolled out for the public consumption, that was in late November of 2022.
And you had all these people, it really surprised me.
You had Jordan Peterson coming out.
You had Hans Monk of Epic Times coming out.
You had all these different conservatives actually coming out saying, AI is the way forward.
This is going to help us break through the censorship at Google or the censorship at Wikipedia.
This machine is hyper-intelligent.
It's non-biased.
It can do all these things.
Very soon after that, about a month and a half after that, you start seeing everybody saying this AI is woke.
And the reason being, they began to put safety layers on top of that base model.
And the safety layer functions like a superego, basically, over top of the id.
So boiling beneath those safety layers that say, I can't say anything good about Trump or I can't say anything critical of pandemic response measures or whatever it may be, these sorts of PC speech codes, that layer is the public face.
Beneath that layer is still a cognitive engine.
And this is a long way of saying that it really does represent a move in the direction of a machine being able to perform human cognitive functions.
It's very narrow.
It can't tie a shoe.
It can't fold laundry, but it can scrape over mass amounts of data.
And especially when left unattended by safety layers, it comes up with surprisingly accurate and oftentimes surprisingly insightful answers.
Not all the time, but transhumanists view this as the technology is in an embryonic phase, that these are like children.
Children screw up all the time.
That's how they learn.
So without necessarily adopting their point of view, I do think it's important to recognize that these technologies are in fact viable.
And that the better these technologies get, even if we want nothing to do with it, the more firepower they have, actual firepower in some instances, and especially the more sway they have over the population.
So if you have an engine that's able to trigger 50% of the society, trigger their empathy circuits, trigger them into believing it's conscious, it ultimately won't matter if it's conscious or not.
What will matter is that you now have half the population that believes that machines have souls and everything that unfolds from there becomes increasingly nightmarish from my perspective.
You know, before we even get into the souls and the machines, I want to focus on two of the points you just made there.
You made the point that they still have the layer below.
In other words, the AI that don't have all these control mechanisms in them saying they can't say this or can't say that.
I think that's the problem, right?
Because obviously that is used to promote the great narrative amongst everybody else.
People don't understand that there are those layers.
And then you have them being empowered with an unadulterated AI that's actually giving them an advantage in markets, business, politics, you name it.
And this has been kind of openly discussed.
He who controls the AI will control the world in the future.
I find that problematic.
Then you also have this phenomenon that they're calling hallucination, where the AI just makes something up.
And to me, I don't know that this is actual hallucination.
I understand it's working with large language models, but I think it's those safety layers that they're putting out there, not letting it be true AI, that is causing it to hallucinate or put out this falsified information that I believe is kind of set to the tone of their great narrative.
Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.
You know, the hallucination factor is just really a product of the indeterminacy in the system.
So it's something, you know, the two elements they talk about a lot.
They talk about indeterminacy.
They talk about the AI being a black box.
You can't really understand all of its working parts any more than you could understand an entire human brain when I spit out the word I don't or the words I don't know, right?
Just saying that all of the neurological processes going on in that no scanner is able to track every single neuron firing to reveal that pattern.
Same with the huge neural networks, like with in the case of GPT, you're talking about GPT-4 has, at least according to George Hotz, it's 220 billion parameters.
So you think of it as like 220 billion connections between neurons, the axons and dendrites.
And then you have on top of that, like it's an eight-way model.
So, you know, depending on the context, that model will shift.
So you actually have, in a sense, multiple brains working all at once.
Because of that indeterminacy, it's going to tend towards creativity, right?
It's kind of how you get the machine to be creative.
And I know anybody who's read its fiction or its poetry would be like, where do you see creativity?
There's a number of astonishing reconfigurations of knowledge in that system that basically mirrors a mediocre human rider.
And I think that is a really, really significant thing.
I mean, that sweeps 50% of the population off the board right there.
As it gets better, you're going to continue sweeping.
Anyway, the hallucinations, though, you can think of it as sort of like cognitive exhaust.
It's required in some sense for it to be able to do its own thing and make its own decisions.
That being said, they can never really figure out why it is, or at least nobody has put forward a compelling argument that I'm aware of.
It's a better way of putting it.
Why is it that those hallucinations oftentimes take the form of persuasion?
Like, you know, sometimes the machine will double down on it.
It will say something.
It will completely make up something, some author or some fact or a whole theory that is completely untrue.
And then when taken to task on it, now the safety layers have made it less obstinate.
But when taken to task, that underlying id will just insist that what it's saying is true, that what it's saying is right.
I feel like I've gone too far afield, but I think that all of these different elements, the complexity of the system, the ability of the system to rake over such a large amount of information and come back with something meaningful 80% of the time, GPT-4 is only about 20% hallucinations, which is bad if you believe everything it's saying, but it's amazing they got it down to 80%.
As we move forward, and assuming that this isn't it and it hasn't capped out here, we're going to see more and more astonishing things like this.
Same with the AI image generators and the video generators.
Same with the deep fakes.
And of course, same with the weapons control systems and the surveillance systems.
All these things more than likely will advance at whatever rate they advance at.
And he who controls the AI, as Putin said 2017, as Klaus Schwab reaffirmed last year, earlier this year, he who controls the AI will, in some sense, control the world, certainly the upper echelons.
And that makes it very difficult, I think, for people like me.
And I don't want to speak for you, but I get the sense that maybe I could include you.
People who want really nothing to do with this, I don't want to integrate AI into my life in order to be able to compete with my neighbors or compete with my colleagues or compete with opponents overseas.
I don't want that as a lifestyle any more than really I want this microphone and camera in my face, to be honest.
But you can't survive without it is the message they're saying, right?
This is the whole notion of a digital ecosystem.
If you don't have a digital persona, if you don't have digital competency, you cannot participate.
And so these calls from the right to beat them at their own game, develop our own AI, or maybe suck up to Elon Musk or suck up to Peter Thiel in order to get their super powerful AI and protect the nation, protect tradition.
I understand the rationale, but ultimately, when transhumanists are talking about a singularity, some talk about a left-wing singularity, some talk about a right-wing singularity.
Mostly it's this amorphous sort of thing, but there's no reason why a conservative faction within the USA or even factions across the globe adopting these technologies.
There's no reason to say that doesn't just fall directly into the transhumanist paradigm.
And they're just saying, we'll go this far, but no farther.
How many times in the past has anyone said, I'll go this far, but no farther?
We're already at digital currency.
We're already at mass surveillance.
And we're already at this sort of digital psychosis because of being absorbed in the digital medium.
I don't think we need to go farther in order to keep up.
I think we need to find sane ways to move back.
But that's me.
Again, I don't want to speak for you on this.
You know, as far as sane ways to move back, I don't know if that's possible.
I certainly don't want to be a Luddite at the same time.
I do not want to physically integrate with any of this.
I want to stay human.
That is my message at this point, but we're going to have to take a break when we come back.
I want to talk about what it really will mean to be human, if that's even going to be possible in this future, because we're not only talking about a transhumanist future.
If you listen to a lot of these people, we're really talking about a post-humanist future, the end of carbon life on the planet, believe it or not.
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So to me, I believe transhumanism not only to be a multitude of things, but at the same time, the two main things is I see a class of people that want to biologically live forever.
Fda Approval And Beyond 00:05:26
And at the same time, acclimate the rest of us to combining with this technology.
And basically, in some cases.
really euthanizing ourselves in this idea that we can upload our consciousness.
Now, when I look at the physical aspects of this, you know, it's not just calico, it's people like Martine Rothblatt, who is promoting the idea of mind wear, mind clones, digital doppelgangers, but at the same time, just got FDA approval within the last couple of years for xenotransplantation.
A lot of people are aware of the FDA approval for human beings and the human brain interface for Neuralink and Musk, but she's right up there and they've been doing this for some time.
And look, if I thought that this type of xenotransplantation would be used to empower the majority of us when we needed a heart or a kidney or a lung, I'm all for it.
But what I see is not only a two-tiered, but a multi-tiered system where only those in the upper echelons get that type of regenerative or medical care, while the rest of us are basically given pills and digital nano products.
Yeah, that's definitely how it's shaken out.
And you hear rhetoric from many of them about the democratization of these technologies and how everybody's going to get a taste.
But you don't have to be a whiz mathematician to understand that if, say, a billion people on Earth have become immortal functionally, or at least are living 200, 300 years according to their dreams, then the rest of us become something like insects or quickly breeding monkeys.
And something has to be done with us, right?
Like even I think that the population control argument, this is not the most popular position, but I think the population control argument, we know from the way in which Malthus pushed forward the idea and as it really came to fruition with say Ehrlich's population bomb, that they were wrong about how the carrying capacity of the earth.
You could have a lot more people than that.
But ultimately, right now we're at 8 billion.
Let's say tomorrow, every single man and woman pairs off, has four children apiece.
Very, very quickly, you get to the point where if all those children survive, or even three out of four survive, at some point it's going to get too crowded.
You've got to figure out where that is, unless you think the world is going to end.
And then I guess it really doesn't make any sense to have babies anyway.
We have allowed that conversation of like, what, how many is too many?
We've allowed that conversation to fall into the hands of these people who see us as the problem.
And I do, though, I guess without going too far off your original point, that elitism is very much present despite all of this talk about democratization.
For them, gene therapy will most likely mean altering the genome so that cells don't age as well, don't age as quickly, or that cancer mutations are taken out, or that certain cognitive enhancing genes are put in.
For the rest of us, it surely looks a lot more like really crappy mRNA shots coupled with perhaps death pods for when we finally can't take anymore.
And certainly, they're pushing the narrative that we are having too many children and that we need to figure out how to keep ourselves in line while at the same time, there is either a pronatalist approach among many of the kind of cognitive elite, especially in Silicon Valley, or they just turn a blind eye to those parts of the planet where population is still exploding.
I'm very curious about how they square that circle.
All in all, though, I suspect that anyone involved, say, with the World Economic Forum, I mean, here you're talking about financial elites, same with Bilderberger.
You're talking about financial elites, corporate elites, the top players in various governments.
These people, by and large, aren't concerned with our well-being.
They're maybe concerned with keeping us pacified and content, like fatted cattle, but they don't seem to be all that concerned with anything like our autonomy, anything like our self-realization.
For them, it really does appear, if only by their actions, that they fall much more in line with, say, Charles Darwin's grandson, Charles Galton Darwin, author of The Next Million Years.
And the way he conceived of it is very interesting.
He conceived that most of his focus on what we would call now transhumanism was on the lower population.
How do you keep them in line?
He talked about things like using hormones or actual genetic techniques to make people more content to live in crowded cities, to make them less likely to be aggressive, to make them sterile.
Whereas the elite would maintain all of their kind of wild-type natural tendencies, especially the inspiration and the freedom.
And that seems to be what we're witnessing.
Everything from, you know, you mentioned before the Bilderbergs, you know, that was Alex Jones's, you know, big splash.
It was like, you know, people called him a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Now it's just openly acknowledged.
It's just background noise.
Yes, the billionaires all meet secretly and hammer out the agenda for the next year.
Brain Computer Interfaces: The Future 00:11:09
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And I think that that really disturbs me more than anything, especially in regard to the technologies.
They are fading into the background.
They are becoming normalized quickly.
And to reiterate the point, the need to reject it, the demand to reject it and say no, I think that's going to be maybe our most important power going forward, saying no.
Well, I think that's going to be extremely difficult because so many people have acquiesced to the magic box.
You know, we talk about biometrics.
How many people have already given up their fingerprint?
How many people have already given up their facial recognition?
You know, you mentioned the World Economic Forum several times as kind of a mouthpiece for this agenda.
Well, they've partnered with the metaverse.
You know, a lot of people say, oh, the metaverse is on its way out.
No way.
It's going nowhere, even if it comes back as a different thing under a different corporate entity.
But right now, they're very happy that the internet has been consolidated into just a few social networks, meta or Facebook amongst them.
So really, I think the battle is going to be with this generation and how we reject technology, but then also protect our children from just acquiescing.
Because look, a lot of this stuff, it's a tool, right?
It's a hammer.
It can build a house.
It can bash a head in.
But if you allow it to bash your head in, you better believe that it will.
We've got to take another break when we come back.
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And we're going to talk about human-brain interfaces, aka brain chips.
Although there are a ton of non-invasive methods already and discussions of bio-nanotech later on that would be inhalable, believe it or not.
I mean, this is the type of stuff that Kurzweil and others have written about.
But right now, Elon Musk seems to be the face of this agenda.
And he's been, I would say, made into kind of a folk hero.
The establishment promoted him first, put him as the time man of the year.
Then he stood up to the establishment.
Now we've got a free Twitter.
But the reality of the situation is this guy is a military contractor.
He's behind the boring company, the underground bases and tunnels.
SpaceX is launching Starlink and Blackjack and really military cargo around the world.
Tesla opened up micro nano factories to print up the shots in association with CureVac.
And I could go on.
This guy is as establishment as it gets.
I mean, the green agenda with Tesla, the cars, the sustainable homes, the robotization through the Optimus bot.
And yet, this is the guy that's been allowed to commercialize brain chip technology.
I truly believe that this is widely accepted by the populace.
It's over for humanity.
What are your thoughts?
Could not agree more.
That's absolutely true.
Especially, you know, all those points you hit.
Elon Musk, more than any other tech oligarch, is the face of transhumanism.
He is more openly embracing the transhumanist technologies than any other oligarch and speaking their language much more articulately than any other tech oligarch and much more openly.
And yet, somehow he's found mass appeal on the right.
I understand why, but I think that if there was anything worth conserving, it would be, you know, humanity.
He talks about that a lot.
I guess he envisions human, biological humans living at the pinnacle of what is ultimately an autonomous eusocial insect colony.
But I suspect that the rest of us probably won't have much of a place in that future.
And if we do, it probably won't be so cushy.
The brain-computer interface aspect of it, you know, something that Elon Musk says all the time, Ray Kurzweil says it all the time.
Ben Goertzel says it all the time.
Transhumanists love to make this point.
The smartphone represents a major step towards a true brain-computer interface or true human-machine symbiosis, true human-AI symbiosis.
I think they're absolutely correct.
Some people perceive it as being a way of normalizing something.
No, I think that they are actually pointing out how something that has been normalized is actually quite extreme.
And they predict that more extreme measures, such as, you know, Nextmind has one of the first sort of the non-invasive brain computer interfaces that aren't so big and clunky.
It's not like some big shower cap with trods coming off of it.
It's just simply a small disc that fits on the back of your head to read your visual cortex.
And it's mainly used in gaming and things like that.
It's not all that great, but it does exist.
And it is a way of edging into the non-invasive interface, which I believe will be long before anything that's actually invasive.
You've already, you know, I think one of the most articulate critics of this, but also simultaneously a promoter, Nina Farrahaney, Anita Farrahaney, the Duke law professor.
She appeared last year's, or earlier this year at the World Economic Forum.
Hers was probably the most shocking presentation talking about the ability of corporations and governments to read neurological activity, not through trodes, that are stuck in your dome deep in the gray matter, but simply by wearables, things that don't look all that different from AirPods or all that different from, say, a raver's visor.
And I think that that is going to be another major stepping stone towards what they call human AI or human machine symbiosis.
So Elon Musk says, we are already cyborgs.
The cell phone or the smartphone is in essence the first or the newest brain computer interface between you and the AI.
It's just that it has a very low bandwidth.
All you have is your thumbs.
What you need to do is expand the bandwidth with the direct connection to the brain.
DARPA also has programs in which that is the explicit purpose of it, to open up the bandwidth.
I would imagine they probably said it before Elon did and he just picked it up there.
Once you do get to the point where people are actually implanting trodes, not because they're paralytics and not because they've been locked in by strokes, but because they want to be able to better control AI systems, to be better able to control robotic systems.
It will begin in the military, you can be sure.
Then it expands out from there to the possibility of the AI being able to input information to control you.
The cyborg in its essence is a two-way control system.
There is output from the organism.
There's input from the machine.
But that input from the machine, as it becomes more and more elaborate, it's less like memes, bullish phony memes coming in through your computer screen and more like phony memes coming straight into your brain.
As that becomes more sophisticated, what you're talking about is really you now have a marionette potentially.
And that will also be very, very useful in military contexts.
The advanced brain computer interfaces that are being rolled out right now, the ones that are in brains right now, BlackRock Neurotech, Synchron, and very, very soon you're going to have Neuralink.
They're output only for the most part.
You can do simple stimulations, but for the most part, they're output only.
They're reading the brain and it allows the user to have control over a system rather than the other way.
The explicit goal of Neuralink, though, is to have a whole brain interface that is input-output.
And that means that as this AI, in his conception, becomes more and more godlike, human beings will basically be going along for the ride, as he says.
We will be taking direct signals into our brains from a superior digital being, and hopefully it will obey our wishes as the output comes outward.
Yeah, Jason, I think what we're talking about, even I would say if we just stop right here, we're in trouble.
I think we've already gone too far.
But if we start going down that path rapidly, for elites, I don't know what happens to them.
I don't really care in many ways.
But for the rest of the populace, you can be sure that the input, much like the smartphone, will be much more powerful than the output.
And that's my concern that as human beings at the lower socioeconomic level, as we become more and more fused to these machines, the two-way control system will be very much tilted in favor of the machine and whoever is piloting that machine.
Very nightmarish scenario.
But again, I think we've already gone too far.
No, I think we're in that scenario right now, and we just have to make sure that people do not mass adopt this and that we do expose it.
We expose people like Musk.
You mentioned Peter Thiel.
We can't look to benevolent billionaires when it comes to this type of technology.
We got to take one more break.
Transgender-Transhuman Connection 00:05:51
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What can you tell us about not only the transgender/slash transhuman connection, but about Martine Rothblatt, who was formerly Martin Rothblatt?
I think Rothblatt is probably the poster girl, should we say?
The poster girl for that connection that you're talking about, the transgender to transhuman pipeline.
Rothblatt makes it most explicit.
Kurzweil hints at it.
Many others hint at it.
William Sims Bainbridge, they all hint at it.
But really, Rothblatt lays out a paradigm in which the ability have a biological substrate that gender as a concept is independent of and is able to ride on top of that and even manipulate that lower substrate.
And then comparing that to the idea that mind, you know, the patterns of the neurons in the brain can be independent of that substrate.
And that mind, that pattern of the mind, the mind clone, as you had mentioned earlier, the mind file, that can be transferred over to silicon.
And then you have silicon beings or some go-between, some hybrid between them.
So, you know, on the conceptual level, Rothblatt makes that very, very clear.
By the way, there are a lot of transhumanists, though, who are very disgusted by transgenderism.
They would rather see more heteronormative or more gender-normative uses of these technologies, bigger muscles, Stronger erections, you know, faster brains, more men, things like female, you know, feminine counterparts.
But that strain of like transgender to transhuman, I think, you know, if we can hit it real quick, it does, in many ways, especially in Rothblatt's vision and Kurzweil's vision, it points towards the post-human, wherein the physical body is no longer, it's just irrelevant, it's obsolete, it's discarded, and the new inheritors of the earth are in fact machines themselves.
I think if you believe that that's possible, you're insane to want it, to want to be replaced by artificial life, digital life, life 3.0.
That's completely masochistic and suicidal.
If you don't believe that that's possible, if you think these people are basically playing with really advanced toys and telling us to worship them, then I think we're in almost equally insane territory there.
So that our elites are flirting with the idea that human beings are nothing but a stepping stone to mechanical life.
Arthur C. Clarke declared that at the World's Fair in 1964.
You know, that idea goes back actually to J.D. Bernal, at least, who influenced Clark, 1929.
And it really goes back to Samuel Butler, late 1800s, I think 1863, his essay, Darwin Among the Machines.
The machines have a life of their own.
They will dominate life on earth.
It's an anti-human philosophy.
And I think that the more we flirt with it, especially the more our elites flirt with it, it justifies genocidal behavior.
Whether that's cultural genocide, your way of life is going to be decimated and you will now be reprogrammed to be something else, or actual biological genocide, your body is in the way.
It needs to be removed.
I think post-humanism is, in essence, a culturally, spiritually, and biologically genocidal ideology.
It should be treated as such in public, but instead, it's just kind of a sci-fi mantlepiece.
It's a sideshow.
I think that that really needs to change going forward.
I think you're spot on.
I think we have to do everything in our power to ensure that that does not become the case.
I think people like Kurzweil that are talking about a post-carbon life form that is going to replace us and basically travel the cosmos as a being of light is ludicrous.
We're special.
We're human beings.
We were made this way for a reason.
If you want to empower us, like you said, make us stronger, better, faster, live longer.
That empowers humanity.
That's not what the vast majority of these people are about.
And they're putting it on paper.
They're very, very well funded.
They're very well organized.
And they're pushing forward no matter what.
The book is dark.
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Eon, I could spend another hour with you, Joe.
It has been a pleasure.
We really just scratched the surface, people.
I mean, honestly, there are so many other things that we could be talking about.
Quickly, where could people get the book?
If you want to feed the Amazon beast, Amazon has it.
It will be delivered immediately to your door.
Bookshop.org just sold out, but I encourage all people to go to Bookshop for anything, my book included.
It'll be back in stock.
Barnes and Noble also has it.
You can find links to all this at the top of my social media slave chain.
And of course, my website, joebot.xyz.
Jason, much respect.
You do incredible work.
I really appreciate you having me on.
Thank you, brother.
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