Hey everybody, Jason Bermas here, and buckle the truck up, because this is actually a fun one, guys.
A few months ago, I was lucky enough to go check out my buddy, who's a stand-up comedian here in the Quad Cities.
And let me say thank you so much to Danny.
Danny's gotten so much better, and you know, the craft of stand-up comedy is not an easy one.
It can often be a brutal one.
And he had me out to Madison, Wisconsin.
I went with my brother. It's a little bit of a drive, but Kurt Metzger was headlining.
And Mr. Metzger is quite the talented comedian.
You will probably recognize him from a number of different projects.
He's in sketches.
He's a big writer.
You've seen him on Gutfeld and other shows.
On top of that, he's one of the driving forces behind what I think is the most important audience Left-wing, progressive podcast out there, The Jimmy Dore Show, which is something that we followed here for many, many years.
I'd say that we really got interested in Jimmy after he spit in the face of Alex Jones on camera, which is utterly
hysterical and Something that is completely memorable, but Kurt, you know
what to start it off How did you kind of get into the political arena because
you can find out everything about his comedy over at Kurt's Kurt Metzger
Comedy.com. I mean in that one you look very youthful and happy and then below it looks like you just finished a set
with the cure That's the younger picture.
The one on the bottom or the top?
The bottom one.
Geez. Yikes.
Yikes. Rough night that night, my friend.
So... No, if I don't...
In New York, you know, you don't get sun, so my natural Dago skin color is...
I have silent film eyes if I don't have any sun, so...
Those dark rings are real, man.
A lot of people ask me if I get enough sleep.
It's like, sometimes they go away, not a lot, but when I am out in the sun, it tightens up the skin.
You are correct. First of all, you've been a stand-up comic for a very long time.
Very funny guy. When did you start leaning into the political arena and why?
Well, comedy-wise, I don't.
That's true. I'm getting an echo.
On my end? No, it's on my end.
Does it sound okay? I don't hear any...
You sound awesome, brother. Oh, good.
Okay. I've never used this Google.
No, so what happened was when I moved out here to L.A., I completely stopped watching any kind of news for like...
a while because i couldn't take it i just watching like what in the hell is going on what like what every crazy stupid thing is around like the me two times and i would just watch this like you know before we all found well i found out as a cia a caa not cia agent caa talent agent uh that's like a it was like a vehicle for alyssa milano and And that's why it suddenly stopped when Biden got accused because that's his agent, CAA, by the way. Did you know that?
That CAA is the Biden agency for his talent?
All these guys, you know how every presidential candidate has to write like a Mein Kampf before they can run for office?
I was not aware where it was Mein Kampf level.
Dreams of my father.
And Obama was famous for writing his own Mein Kampf.
I do remember that.
I remember dreams of my father.
It's all the same thing. Political guys struggle and then they tell you about it in a dumb book and Obama wrote his own, but, you know, a dunderhead like Biden's not gonna...
Even together, Biden wasn't gonna write his own.
I mean, shit, John McCain did. Anyway, I was, like, really...
And also, I had a...
You know, I'm not left or right.
I will not be a part of any, like, clique like that just because I'm repulsed by it.
Like, I might... And also, you don't get to pick what you are.
Everybody else will label you.
You'll be told. You can pick a gender.
You don't get to pick what you're...
Go ahead and take a gender out of the box, and that's what you get to say you are, and everything else will tell you what you are, pal, based on the morals of the moment.
Anyway, I saw Jimmy on Joe Rogan's show...
What I like about Jimmy is he doesn't have any...
He doesn't have an ounce of...
I don't call it Hollywood, but he just is like...
This thing I noticed when I was in TV a long time, people would go, is that the hill you want to die on?
You ever hear that phrase? A hill you want to die on, did you say?
Is that the hill you want to die on?
Oh, yeah. No, we talk about...
In fact, listen, man, when I talk about the abortion issue for me, personally in my life...
If I had a choice, which I don't because I'm a man, by the way.
Oh, I'm pro-choice, but I think it's the man's choice.
But go ahead. Well, again, legally, it's not.
It's not something that I would want in my personal life.
I would never do it in my personal life.
It's not my hill to die on when it's at like three months and it's like, all right, look, you know what?
Well, that's reasonable.
That's a reasonable way to say that.
But what I'm talking about is...
You're going to get burned if you dare speak out against this.
Listen, I spent some time out in Hollyweird when we were trying to put out Loose Change.
This is New York, by the way. This is not in Hollywood, but this is just ubiquitous across all media.
Katie Halper, who I like a lot, I was on their Useful Idiots, her and Aaron.
And at the time, it was the Kyle Rittenhouse thing going on.
And, like, Katie goes, yeah, well, I never really looked at the...
She was on it. She's like, she didn't look at the footage or anything.
That Matt Orphalia...
I forgot Matt's name.
I mentioned this reason. But she goes, I was like, that's not really a hell I want to die on.
And it stuck in my head.
And I'm like, God, I've heard that phrase.
And what does that mean? That means, are you just going to save up your political capital to tell the truth one time You don't just get, you're running for office even if you're not a politician.
You're supposed to just save up your capital.
And if you think something's true and everyone's going along with it, don't risk dying on that hill, the hill of telling the truth.
Why would you do that? That's normal.
That's a normal way to think.
Not just fucking Hollywood.
That's everywhere. So I watch Jimmy.
He don't have, eh, like he'll die and he just tells the truth.
He could be wrong, okay?
I have to admit, A lot of stuff I thought he was wrong.
No, he wasn't at all.
So I was like, come on, Jimmy.
It's actually horrifying to me.
Not that he's right, but like, you know, that how...
How clear it is that something he said was right because I'll watch the normal news bring it up about six months to a year later.
Yeah. Like there's an embargo on...
And even then, it's kind of limited hangout, right?
You know, at that point, it's not the same thing.
And that was a hard lesson that I learned when I started to get into this.
Because just like you said, when you're talking about a quote-unquote a hill that I'm not going to die on, you know, obviously 9-11 was where I made my bones.
And even somebody like a Glenn Greenwald, who I respect to a certain extent...
And my buddy Luke Radowski at We Are Change had some personal conversations with him during Occupy and all those things.
And recently, I mean, I guess it's probably last year, Tim Tillen had him on the show.
And I liked him.
I've actually done a podcast with him and Sam Tripoli before.
Yeah, he's a very funny guy.
But he asked him, he basically said, you know, is there more to 9-11?
Do we need another investigation?
What are your thoughts on that?
And Greenwald literally said the Hilda Dion thing.
He said, look... You know, there was only so much I could do.
I didn't want to make that my hill to die on because of the repercussions of it.
But yeah, no, there's valid concerns there, and that absolutely needs to be revisited.
And my thing is, like you just said, I'm glad Jimmy doesn't have any of that.
Because when you're talking about the Rittenhouse thing, and then you admit...
That you're ignorant of what actually happened because you haven't watched the footage.
I saw the court case.
That's what people would say. I saw the trial.
No, you didn't. Oh, you sat there like a jury and watched all the trials.
No, you didn't. You saw clips on a shitty-ass MSNBC and also you made your mind up before anything happened.
My buddy, Kriston T. Harris, he has a show called The Rundown Live.
He filmed a lot of that. He filmed some of the interviews.
Oh, really? Yes. He was there in Wisconsin.
He's from Wisconsin, actually.
And he's actually on the radio out in New York on WPDH, a little bit upstate from the city.
But anyway, he filmed a bunch of that.
And so I did have that firsthand perspective.
And by the way, he doesn't deify or glorify what happened.
He said, look, it felt like, you know, that kid was really out there to play
call of duty. Now, the circumstances that ended up happening to him, you know,
someone throws a Molotov cocktail at me.
I mean, that's pretty much it.
He wasn't even there for that, by the way.
But I don't want to get off your question.
So, yeah, I saw I saw Jimmy on Joe Rogan talking about stuff.
And now for a long time, I thought I thought I hated leftists like genuine
hatred and because the bullshit I got put through back in years ago,
Barry Crimmins, who's a good friend of mine, who kept me from committing
suicide, really, out of a lot of shit going on.
And Barry was like, there's no left here in America.
Across the ocean is the nearest left.
And I was like, he could have fooled me, Barry.
But he was right. He was exactly right.
There's just a boutique thing.
And he told me Jimmy was good, but I didn't really know Jimmy.
I saw him on Joe Rogan, and I got his number from Joe Rogan so I could call him and just talk to him.
So we just started talking.
That's how I got into being on the show, like kind of the sidekick, and then I'll write lines for him.
So that's really it.
I mean, it's as recent as the show is when you really got politically motivated.
So that's really in the last several years, right?
I mean, by the way, I hate being informed.
It really is. I don't recommend it to people.
Wait, wait, wait. We're going to challenge you, funny man.
We're going to challenge you. Okay, well you kick back those white claws.
We're going to challenge that for a second. It's going to take me two claws to even think about current events.
I'll say this, alright?
I began questioning 9-11.
I'm a New Yorker. I'm an upstate New Yorker, but in a college town surrounded by city kids, Long Island kids.
Oneonta is where I was when 9-11 happened.
Oneonta? Is that what you said? Oneonta.
It's like a half an hour from Cooperstown.
Yeah, it's about an hour from Albany.
And... Obviously, there's a lot of pushback if you start questioning anything.
I started questioning a lot.
There was a lot of very, very tough nights for me.
I'm not going to lie. I didn't want to believe these things about my government.
One of the lines that quote-unquote debunkers or authoritative sources say about quote-unquote conspiracy theorists is this just makes them more comfortable that the world's not that chaotic and there's a plan and they want to believe these things.
I don't think there's a plan.
I think they capitalize. Their plan is pounce on whatever the chaos is and get real rich and get more control all the time.
Well, I think they also cause some of that chaos, and I think that it goes beyond the nation state.
I think, obviously, 9-11 is that thing.
But I got over it after about, I don't know, probably about six months.
I'm not saying there's not some nights where some information really makes me We're good to go.
And ignorance is not bliss because of that fact as well.
You may have to deal with difficult information, but I'm all about listening to everybody, looking at as much as possible, and then using discernment, right?
And I think we've lost that as a society.
There is no civics.
Before there were the authoritative sources of today and the outright censorship, there were the debunkers, right?
There were the defamers and attackers, and they're still around.
But now, if your voice gets too loud, They just axe you.
The algorithm axes you.
Right, unless you're like Rogan and you're big enough.
Even door! Listen, you know, I was talking to you about this, okay?
Now remember, I told you that I got my channel back on YouTube.
And I'm going to put a clip of this on YouTube.
Just for the irony of it all.
Alright, and this is really where they started hitting me.
Take a look at this. This is from...
What is this for? These are the YouTube community guidelines pull-downs where my content was restricted or strikes were given or they weren't or they took down my channel.
Just take a look. I mean, we'll keep scrolling down.
These are, you know...
I can't read the topics like what...
Well, I mean, we could click on the topics.
I'm just showing you how many I actually got, and I still have my channel.
Well, you're probably already on a shit list, like the Twitter files, except for YouTube.
I'm sure they're doing the same thing with YouTube and all the other...
Reddit and all... I mean, definitely Reddit, but YouTube certainly has like a...
I'm sure the nexus of the misinformation department of NHS and all that has their...
I mean, all that 9-11 thing, you probably got on a list.
Well, this is a 9-11 video, the first one I clicked on.
So it got removed.
This is a Architects and Engineers in 2020.
I did 24 videos in 24 hours one day as a promo thing, and they took that one down.
That's one. So some of this obviously isn't COVID-related.
A lot of Epstein stuff.
Let's see what this one is. Oh, of course.
Fabled Enemies, more 9-11 stuff.
Able Danger. Yeah, so they outright censor this stuff.
It's not harmful content.
It's not really against actual community guidelines.
Another one on that one.
That's just lovely. And my channel's completely demonetized.
This is the reason.
We're going to bring that up just live.
This is what they get away with, and this upsets me.
So if I go to Earn here...
Okay, we're not going to review that.
I'm just harmful content.
And that means content that focuses on controversial issues.
Oh, it's harmful. Stop it.
And that is harmful to viewers.
To me, Kurt, that's kind of defamatory.
I've never hurt anybody by talking.
That's worse than network TV. That's worse than, like, when I used to write on TV shows and we, you know, Monday we get the standards and practices list of what we have to change on every show.
We always have a good chuckle of standards and practices, wacky standards and practices because they don't correspond to any kind of real world morality you've ever heard of.
They're all something a lawyer thinks might be a problem maybe with an advertiser and they're whacked.
And a lot of times it's weirder than Just how we had it from, you know, and we would laugh about it.
And this is way, way overboard.
This is just like China level.
I don't know what the fuck people are talking about China.
You live in China. Thank you, man.
I live in China. You all live in China.
The only difference is in China, the guy, the head guy muscles the oligarchs and here the oligarchs muscle your head guy.
So let me, let me just kind of build on that, right?
Eric Schmidt, who, National Security Council, Bilderberg, Alphabet, Google, working with NSA, NASA, quantum computing, the whole nine.
You know, he talked a lot about, first of all, he has books about the new digital century, which is all about not only track trace database surveillance, but then the future into transhumanism.
And what's interesting about him is he gets called out in, I think it's 2017 or 18, on a European program about Dragonfly and how Google was building the censored internet for China.
So again, this is 2017-18.
And this is when he had just stepped down and let Sergey Brin take over.
Okay. So Google had already basically engineered algorithms for censorship for another country.
It just took a few more years to make it to the United States.
But they had the skills to do it.
Yeah, right. It wasn't just the skills.
I don't think they had the cultural pull where they had convinced people that platforming people was a way of hate speech, right?
Where you just take people off the air.
It used to be... Classic liberal or otherwise constitutionalist, they'd say, look, I may just be disgusted with what you're saying, but I will defend your right to say it over and over again.
And I had a discussion.
I mean, this is the post-truth world, man.
I talk about that often.
I think that's why they got dick bat.
Like, every academic... Neo-Marxist dipshit whose dumb ideas would never take off without the backing of a lot of corporations and intelligence agencies.
You know, like how they did with the Frankfurt School.
All the people I knew back in like, I don't know, 2013, whenever you start hearing alt-right, that dumb shit.
The dumbest. Yeah, and then people, they would always bring up the Frankfurt School, which I could dismiss.
I'm like, what? I didn't know anything.
I didn't go to school to learn about what Neo-Marxism is.
and uh you know they they wouldn't talk about the part where the us after world war ii brought those here because they helped us make regular germans feel they're responsible for their atrocities that happen and and then they came here and they do it right to us like it's always a cause coming from inside the house was the soviet union undermining us america brought them in companies are like this is useful i'm a libertarian but you're going to be a Old-school Marxist-Leninist that eats bugs.
But I'll be libertarian, meanwhile, up at the top.
Well, you know what?
That almost goes to another person that's kind of the antithesis of Eric Schmidt on the left in Bilderberg as a steering
committee member to Peter Thiel, because he poses as this libertarian.
Yet he's all into Palantir with Alex Karp and track trace database surveillance.
He's, you know, Trump's technology guy.
And these guys, again, I want to reiterate this to people, you know, they talked about the post-truth world at Bilderberg
in 2018.
So what would I define the post-truth world as today?
First of all, this article we went over, where it's the shackles of ignorance, why rejecting experts is the new form of slavery.
Where they try to convince you it's everything the experts said a post-truth misinformation society would be.
I mean, this was quite the deal.
But they do that through narrative management.
And I know you covered this.
We had a discussion about this.
This is exclusive inside the military secret undercover army.
And let's just read the first paragraph.
Is this the thing from the Smith Modernization Act that enabled this?
Honestly, man, you know, a lot of people talk about that act.
And yes, it... Don't Karyaku's who told me about that.
Karyaku's right in the sense that it solidifies or codifies more of this behavior.
But the truth of the matter is that when you look at what Five Eyes is, and the declassification there, Israel, Australia, the United States, Canada, Europe, etc., you've already got this plausible deniability market.
That's what I'm going to call it. Okay.
It's not outright the NSA or the CIA or the FBI. It's not even a sub-agency.
It's a private shell corporation with somebody who works as an asset and isn't even an official member of that agency that's doing it.
That's why...
You know, we talk about the Smith-Mundak, but this...
You don't even have to know. Dude, I love how everything is...
No, we didn't do that. We hired a guy to hire a guy to do that.
And then when I'm asked at the C-SPAN, I don't know, what is that?
Like a sitcom where you're like, yeah, ask him, Rand Paul.
Nothing's gonna fucking happen from your inquiries.
And then they can go, no, we didn't do that.
Another guy that we paid and we're insulating.
Literally everything, not just shit like that, at every fucking level of society, outsourcing, some outsourcing and no quality control and checks by design or not design is everywhere.
Well, the thing is, That there are quality control and checks, but within the system, not the accountability to us.
You know what I mean? No, you're 100% right.
So these people are insulated and protected, and we can have all the hearings we want.
We haven't had any kind of real prosecutions, and even those were minimal since I ran Contra, let's be honest.
Dude, the last time I think...
I might be wrong, but the last time...
The only time I've ever heard of one of those TV hearings resulting in someone getting in real trouble from that was that guy, Alger Hiss, that had a rivalry with...
I mean, yeah, I know you're, that's, I would go, if we wanted to go super modern and go even beyond Iran-Contra, we can actually talk about Scooter Libby, who was the right hand man.
Oh, Scooter Libby, I forgot. Yeah, but you know what, Trump pardoned him after he did hard jail time.
So yes, they did have- He did go to jail.
He did, yes. He was the fall guy for revealing that CIA agent who revealed Iraq was bullshit.
Well, and all the Enron scandals.
Well, most of the financial information on the Enron investigation just happened to be in the Twin Towers, Building 7 in particular.
So that investigation kind of went away.
They still needed somebody to go down.
It was Cheney's chief of staff that was the closest to him that they had communications on that proved that, you know, there was some kind of corruption.
He got a lot of time. Like I said, Trump pardoned him.
So, during the Trump...
Trump pardon Scooter... Yeah. Has anybody talked to him?
Yeah. Has anybody asked him about it? What?
Has anybody talked to Scooter Libby about it?
I haven't seen... I'm sure it's out there.
You know, people are so...
Listen, man. You know how the media cycle is.
They can't fucking... Oh, I do.
You can't... You can't...
People can't remember two weeks out.
Forget about... We're talking about something that happened in the Bush administration in the beginning of it.
I would love to fucking hear from that guy because...
I have this horrible garbage can memory that I can't, like, kill it.
And I really do my best. I really do my patriotic duty and try to kill my fucking memory as much as I can.
And I can't. And so what happens is I remember all these little stupid things.
and then all of a sudden you see a repeating pattern like wait a minute this so for example when uh covid you know the lab leak theory which of course is racist not saying they're dirty and eat bat soup that's the not racist option obviously that makes total sense and they're like well maybe it was a pangolin oh maybe it was a raccoon dog maybe it was soup it was always like a new pokemon is responsible for this not the thing that probably it definitely is And you remind me of back in the day when AIDS came out and the thing we all said, it's an old joke, is that somebody fucked a monkey, right, in Africa.
Everybody said that, not as a joke, like it was a fact.
And then it changed to, oh, no, they're probably just chopping chimp meat and cut their hand and then a gay guy in Haiti.
Like, it sounds very familiar, like the same goddamn cover-up every single time.
And from what I understand, these labs leak this shit all the time.
What they're really good at is covering up their shitty ass fucking leaks.
And then when the mistake happens, you know, I don't know, constantly, I begin to wonder how, like if I ran a bio lab, sure, mistakes would happen.
But this is the best and the brightest and they keep making the same goddamn mistake.
No one learns from it.
That's very strange. Let me say this, man.
I don't buy any leaks.
I never did. I felt like that was even the narrative in the very beginning.
I followed this. First of all, if we're going to take it all the way back, the first time I really addressed coronavirus was in January.
I was still in Oneonta.
I was doing walking talks and joking about it.
I didn't think this was the big one.
I thought it was going to end up being another swine flu, which I'd lived through.
And a lot of people forget, but in swine flu, they were trying to get you to take two shots as well.
Dude, we played the clip on Jimmy's show of The Simpsons where they have a media meeting.
Yeah, with the cat? Yeah, and then NBC, they keep injecting the NBC guy with shit because they hate him in the secret meeting.
It's wild, and that was...
I mean, that is...
You know, the only thing more astonishing is that whoever wrote that, Writers of the Simpsons at the time, and it might have been even Dana Gould, which is...
I don't know for sure, but I think that was in the Dana Gould years, and Dana Gould was a full...
Fucking trust the science, dipshit.
That's a smart guy. The thing that blows my mind is how do you get people like that?
Like, Trump is that scared...
Bro, let me say this.
I'm glad you're bringing up Trump because we'll bring up another Simpsons clip that I just played.
I just got a copyright strike for.
First of all, it's my favorite show of all time.
I've seen every episode until like the last five years when I, you know, my- When it sucked, yeah.
I remember them like scriptures, like how I was supposed to memorize Bible scriptures.
I have Simpson quotes in my head that apply to every single goddamn thing.
It was mind-blowing.
Yeah. I thought that I was going to draw for The Simpsons.
I was an art school guy.
Oh yeah, I went for animation, dude.
Cool, man. Yeah, exactly.
That was my dream, to be either a creator on The Simpsons.
That would have been the most amazing thing for me as a youth, and then even into college.
So anyway... Right.
and accountability, we should be using technology to empower
audits and and what oversight not protect the people that control the machines that only have don't even really have
a digital footprint, right? So that's not American. Okay,
No, no, no. I'm just saying, so in 2008, in the intro to the Treehouse of Horror episodes, which are my favorite episodes, they're the best ones ever because they always parody something very, very smart in a short amount of time.
And it's Homer going to vote.
And it's McCain-Obama.
So he comes in and he's like, oh, it's one of the new touch machines.
And he tries to vote for Obama and it goes, one vote for McCain.
Yeah. And he does it again.
Another vote for McCain.
And it's this whole thing where the Simpsons got it 15 years ago that these things were corrupt.
And they were pointing it out on the other side of the aisle.
You know what I mean? Even if it wasn't like that at the machine level.
I remember people were like, oh, they stole it from Trump.
I'm like, do you understand it's rigged before it even gets to your fake fucking choice?
The primaries are completely rigged.
Openly. It's not a secret.
They do it openly, and then the guy that gets screwed has to go...
I think Bernie...
Oh, Bernie won twice.
But that's the... Alright, so let's talk about that aspect.
But I think that...
This is my wild speculations, because it's...
And when I worked for Sasha Cohen on that Who Is America show...
Oh, you worked on that?
I wrote for it, yeah. Oh, no kidding.
I watched that series. It was one of the best things he's ever done, brother.
I got a lot of... I do a high percentage of a lot of my bits on there, which I'm surprised.
You know what I got to ask you before we go on now?
You know, that's allegedly where the incident in Vegas happened with the pedophile.
I wasn't working on that.
And also, I called my buddy Dan.
Sasha and his two friends from, like, school, mostly.
Okay. And then they hired me.
They normally don't do that. They normally just bring people in, like, session.
It was like joining a band or something.
Yeah. And then he could, like, hire whoever he wants and didn't have to go through whatever diversity bullshit.
Just him and his friends. But, um...
The guy, so the guy that was saying that shit about like, you know, getting it, he actually tried to report it because he was scared when he heard that.
It was like a thing where he wasn't, it wasn't what it got reported because I immediately called him like, dude, what was that about?
Yeah. And the guy was like, oh my God, this is crazy.
See, we would do, here's what we'd do.
Well, I mean, I'm saying we.
I just wrote bits and I saw...
No, but the setups. I get it.
The setups are just like how an intelligence agency would work.
In fact, John Kirikow, I know...
I don't know him through Sasha.
I know him through Jimmy, but he consulted with Sasha on a lot of stuff.
Sasha's a plugged-in fucking guy.
So wait, John... The CIA whistleblower that ended up doing time for talking about torture methods actually schooled these guys on how to run quote-unquote undercover ops.
I don't think he schooled them on that.
I think it was for the Dictator movie, some stuff.
Okay, I watched that as well.
Yeah, there's a guy, I'm blanking on his name, and I even had my podcast.
He wrote an article about Sasha Cohen being part of the...
I can't... He's a good guy, too.
John McLeod or something McLeod.
Oh, Alan McLeod. He does a lot of good stuff.
Alan McLeod. He does a lot of good stuff on Musk.
I had him on my show, and I really liked him a lot, Alan McLeod.
But... Because I was like...
I didn't understand the article about Sasha's.
I'm like, I don't know what you expect.
He's some rich guy from an old-money European family.
You know, my ex-girlfriend was Israeli, so she's like, Cohen Neem is like a Levite.
Like, that's... That's a heavy, like...
And there... He went to Oxford.
Yeah. And Oxford is a network we talk about on this show a lot because people don't understand, you know, it's even beyond the kind of Harvard network that we have here.
It's a big deal in Europe.
It predates the Aztec Empire or some crazy shit like that.
Yes, continue. So, and it's like, it's interesting up close to see people like, because you see like, You know, I don't think Sanjay should read.
He's very smart, right?
But why would he need to read or look up anything?
He could just talk to the people that No, they just get fed disinformation and they believe these people.
You know what? Let's stop right there because you know what?
What we were supposed to talk about, at least what we were talking about via text yesterday, was kind of this alien thing.
Wait, I want to finish what I said.
All right. How we would have people on, like, we had a hilarious ones in Atlanta with, like, terrorism stuff, where they had, like, you know, they would prime the people, they have them in a room with magazines with terrorism.
It was for his Israeli character.
The makeup wasn't good. I think they thought he was scarred in war.
And that's why they...
He was one of my favorite parts of it.
Yeah, I had the one, the active...
That was mine, the active shooter training.
Oh my god. Dude, that was horrible what you did to those poor people.
They didn't want to have his pants down at one point.
Like, run into him with his butt.
That bit wasn't mine.
I had the one where they're doing...
They disguise the cubicle as a mask.
Yeah. And I was like, no one's going to do that.
Every time I would go like, dude, no one is going to do this.
And I was wrong every time.
When he goes, like, with the steps, if you have a shooter, hide, infiltrate violence or HIV. And he'd be like, if I give you HIV, do you promise to spread HIV to all of your friends and family?
And what they would do is...
Because they're like, oh, you know, they love, like, Israel military shit.
They're like, oh, buddy, you know what that means?
I don't care. So they just go along with it.
But first they'd be primed.
They'd be on TV, they'd see a real Mossad operation where some guy wearing a burqa pretending to be a chick and then busts, like, Hamas.
There's all these magazines, and they're already hyped up about Islam.
So you're kind of giving them the Darren Brown treatment, where it's like, Darren Brown is, he's not really a magician, but he works in neurolinguistics programming.
It's exactly that. It's exactly that.
And that's, and I, so, here's a real eerie thing, and I really want to talk to Eric, I told you, Rogan, I want to talk to Eric Weinstein, because his story he said about meeting Epstein.
About where he, they call him, and he was, I didn't think he was a hedge fund guy.
He seemed like not, I didn't know what the hell it was.
He's in a waiting room for an hour.
And then he notices this weird kind of art sculpture with like lights.
And it was like, like it would draw your attention.
He's looking, he's like, is that a camera in it?
And he walks up and looks at it.
And the second he sees the camera, Mr.
Epstein will see you now. He comes in a room.
Jeffrey Epstein, they're talking to him, there's a coffee table or something shaped like a coffin with an American flag draped over it.
Okay? He said they brought him like a coffee or cake and it was like, he was like, is this like testing if I'll put it down on the American flag on a coffin?
Like, he immediately was like, what is this?
Meanwhile, Jeffrey Epstein has a young, a hot girl who's sitting on his lap.
While he's talking, he bounces her occasion.
She goes, ooh! And he was like, it's a really interesting story.
What it reminds me of is Sasha's billionaire character.
Where he's getting a hand job in front of everybody.
That's exactly right.
And we had a camera in the vent and I remember going, I was like, you gotta put a blanket because you can't.
First of all, I'm like, this guy's gonna walk out when she starts giving him a hand.
This is what a naive idiot I am.
The guy thinks he's making a sale.
Chris is not going to walk out.
It's millions of dollars. That's the ultimate conspiracy, is how money works.
And that story that he told me, it reminded me so much of that sketch.
And I was like, holy shit.
And that's how they do ops.
And it's the same method as a prank or something.
It's priming.
And then just putting you in the right mind state and, you know, you do whatever.
And that is why I'm extremely skeptical of this whole alien agenda and the fact that you have all these whistleblowers coming forward, many of whom, the majority of whom, have never claimed to see an alien body.
Now, that's a whole other subject.
But we talk about priming, for instance, right?
Now, let's talk about Lazar's story and NLP and trying to get a message out there.
Now, if you're bringing somebody in that you're not sure of, right, doesn't have the military clearances, but you know that he's a pretty smart guy.
One of the things that he's talked about was they gave him all these briefing documents that at first he thought were fake.
But they were about aliens and the Zeta Reticuli and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
He's never claimed to actually see an alien except for in that one instance, maybe he looked into a room and saw something.
And who knows, he may have been primed for that, right?
So over and over again in this subject, what I find is the technology seems to be real, 100%.
But anytime I hear about an interaction with aliens, whether they be the gray kind or, you know, there's this other woman that I watched in front of the White House with, you know, some of these disclosure people talking about meeting aliens that were tall in a hollowed out mountain.
You know the deal. Palladians, whites, there's a whole...
There's the bird, the avians, all this stuff.
Well, okay, so...
My point is this, and listen...
Everything I've ever seen, whether it be the Phil Schneider story or whatnot...
I don't know about that. You don't know the Phil Schneider story?
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
That has a lot of validity.
I don't think so either, by the way.
That seems very much like...
Oh, does it? The shootout with the aliens where he's the sole survivor after a laser beam fight?
By the way, just so you know, I don't have beliefs or something.
No, no, no. I agree.
Wild speculations based on weird memory things.
But finish me saying. All I'm saying is...
We've had so much technology suppressed from us and information.
This will tie into what you were talking about with all these Nazis that came over during World War II. And really, if you look at the genesis of the Central Intelligence Agency, what you're looking at is the OSS and the Skull and Bones crew and the Nazis.
They always liked the Nazis.
It was a shame to have to go fight these guys.
It was a shame. They were so efficient and so had control and they're better than commies, right?
So, of course, I love when they bring up the good war.
And we're such a good country that there was no hard feelings.
After the war, we made sure to save as many.
And not just the scientists, as they say, because I used to think that.
And I'm like, well, OK, they wanted to get their shit.
What are you going to throw them away? No, they're psychopaths and maniacs that we could put in other countries to just destroy their companies and then install in many of our corporations, especially the tech industry.
Like, what's his fucking name from Watergate?
He was on Fox. G. Gordon Liddy?
Yeah, that guy. Now, HBO has a series about that, which is not as funny as it should be.
I mean, the acting's good.
But it was so, like, I don't know what was off about it or it wasn't very funny, but I had to look.
I'm like, this guy was that Nazi-ish.
He goes, no, I know they were horrible, but as a young asthmatic boy, hearing Hitler speak electrified me and made me feel confident.
I'm like, Jesus Christ. Well, dude, I mean, that's kind of like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And he's trying to like go on the Nazi apology tour now, but if you don't know about that,
he actually dreamed of being a dictator on a hill and he admired the way in which Hitler spoke and
commanded an audience. That's an old Playboy interview. On top of that, actually we'll do
this one live. This is a fun one.
Time Magazine.
Cover with Michael Bloomberg, no less.
Bloomberg Schwarzenegger.
And what do you think we're going to find on this one?
If you had to do a guess, if we're talking Nazis.
Is that Bloomberg surprisingly cool with Nazi shit?
I mean, there is that.
Based on his love of stop and frisk?
I mean, that's a little bit of it, but it's going to be...
Let's see. I want to open image in a new tab.
Here we go. This is fantastic.
What we're going to find...
Here's Arnold with his arm around him.
Whoa, wait, what's this?
Oh, he hates the Nazis so much, he's got a giant death's head Nazi belt buckle.
So that, let's just zoom in a little further.
That's cool. That's just, hey, that's not, it's just being cool.
What are you going to make, what are you going to say Ukraine's Nazis because they got the black son of Himmler's SS all the time?
I mean, now, again, he's talking about Nazis and how they're everywhere in America.
He just likes a timely train.
It's not so sinister.
He just likes physical perfection and weeding out the weak elements of society.
You know how Arnie came up, right?
What? You know how Arnie came up?
How? What do you mean? In weightlifting?
No. No, in Hollywood, man.
So he was a houseboy.
If you don't know it, Arnold Schwarzenegger lived with a guy who put out nude photos of him in his magazine, along with other bodybuilders.
If you type in... No, every Nazi cliche.
Go ahead. No, if you type in Arnold Schwarzenegger, nude spreads, you'll find out that, yeah, he was basically...
That's, like, how he started getting his acting kids, is he didn't...
Well, you know when you're using, like...
Because back in the day, they were all using all those testosterone, steroids, all kinds of shit.
And what it... Almost like cocaine, in a way.
Like, what happens is...
People get really hyped up and depraved, and it hits centers in your brain where people...
You can check it out.
It's really funny. People will do some real extreme sexual shit they wouldn't normally do because of how it's working on their brain.
It's the same as a coke head.
I don't do coke really like that because I'm old.
And also I don't want to die of fentanyl.
I have no shame of any coke I did in New York.
There were drug phases.
The thing I had a problem was opiates.
But with coke, whatever you are capable of in the back of your fucking brain, if you do enough coke, that shit's going to come out.
And you never know what you're going to get.
So wait a minute. What you're trying to say is if you're a violent rapist and you're on steroids and cocaine like Conor McGregor is constantly...
Well, he maybe wouldn't be a violent rapist until there's something...
Because you're messing with your hormones with the...
You know, in steroids, like, broad term, there's a lot of different shit that's not a stereotype, but it's the same kind of PEDs, they call them.
And because of the hormone things, and too much testosterone, you need a certain amount of estrogen to make your dick work.
Like, it's a balance. It's not like, you know, the way they say low T, that's all pharmaceutical marketing.
I mean, that is a thing to a degree.
But all the stuff you hear about trans stuff now, this has been tested on bodybuilders for many years.
Yes. Because they take hormones.
So throwing yourself off balance creates all kinds of things and then how coke kills boners Then the stimulation required, because there's so much fucking serotonin and what's the other reward?
Dopamine. It naturally like throws you into a thing of like, I got to do more extreme shit to hit that nerve to just be able to come.
And so then whatever your wiring is that maybe wouldn't have been accessed, right?
Like things express themselves, genes express themselves because environment.
Whatever's in you, I don't know, prison makes things come out of people, cocaine, steroids, all that shit.
And especially bodybuilding world, very well known.
And I remember back in the days, like Details Magazine, you could read all these guys' experiences with really hardcore abuse in that back in the day.
And they all had a doctor that they had to suck him off to fucking get their shit, you know, get their...
And the one guy I read about, he became like a yoga guy.
He was so toxic from all this shit that he'd been pumping And he almost died and then he just did like isometrics and
shit after that but he said he saw a guy fucking the coin not the coin slot
the Like like a little opening in a soda machine like people
get so insane and hyped up and depraved Because they'd fucked with the chemicals. They're just like
fucking holes in the can you imagine fucking a vending machine?
And not one of those crazy Japanese ones, which is terrible anyway
It has a vagina on it. Not that one that has a working vagina.
I mean, I think that's a low point anyway, but to walk up to like a Pepsi fucking vending machine.
Oh, hey, by the way, just that alien thing, this is what I just want to throw out there, which is a thought that I always have with these shows.
Like, okay, let's say, and I know it's crazy to think that in the infinite universe there would be aliens with ships that would come and...
Not introduce themselves to each of us personally.
But let's say that did happen, the Roswell crash.
How would the government handle it?
Not hide it for 80 years?
They just reclassified the JFK shit for 80 years.
Alright, so let's talk about that.
Because I want to talk about classifications too, because I think that's really important, right?
First of all, we, in the text message thread, we were talking about Annie Jacobson.
And the two books that I have read in full...
Oh, I want to know about that.
Yeah, we're going to get into that in a second.
Let me just make a point about one of our other books.
Now, Area 51 was her first book.
And her second book was...
What is it?
Operation Paperclip. Now...
Paperclip, the thing that really hammers me is she wrote that book in 2013.
It's now a decade old, right?
And she wrote that book because she found out what Area 51 really was.
And it was basically this hybrid CIA military black site for propulsion systems and weapons systems.
And people would think that they were, say, going to work for NASA. NASA's a whole other thing we're going to probably get into in a minute.
And they would end up working at Area 51.
So it was a large recruitment thing.
But the thing that hammers that home is that at that time, and I don't know what's happened in the last decade, I would imagine not much, but she said there were 600 million documents.
That is over half a billion documents that were still classified on Operation Paperclip alone.
Now this is post- It's kind of a crime.
Well, beyond a crime, what did they work on?
They worked on biological weapons, psychological weapons.
I mean, if you don't think that Artichoke, Bluebird, and then MKUltra come out of that crew, of course it does.
And you look at the pattern of her books.
Starts Area 51 really from the alien interest, right?
Probably just because, again, that's what pop culture has put with Area 51.
I think it was because of Bob Lazar that Area 51 came along, right?
Lazar is largely left out of the book.
But it's in the introduction, there's something about Lazar, and in the back, there's something about Lazar.
So when she talks about Lazar, I mean, this book, Area 51, and, you know, it's very dense.
I suggest what I do is when I go on long road trips, I know you do that as a comedian sometimes, I put on the audiobooks, and I listen to them that way.
Really, it's about nuclear power, weapons, Edward Teller, propulsion systems.
And then when she gets into Operation Paperclip, that intertwines with this Horton Brothers thing, right?
I watched that.
So that's why she gets into it.
So the tale of the Horton Brothers, for those that don't know, they're these brothers that are working inside Germany on classified projects, including a flying wing.
Now, they'd been working on this thing to the point where it was made out of wood in the beginning.
You know, so we're talking German engineering, probably that even predates the Nazis' power and rise of Hitler.
But definitely incorporate it once they get in there.
They just want to make something, a thing, like Wernher von Braun, the guy just wanted to work with rockets.
Can't you just leave him alone?
I've got, yo bro, I've got the craziest Wernher von Braun clip you should see.
Wait, give me one second. All right.
By the way, I do want to play this clip of Von Braun because it's such a shocking clip.
Because we've all been told that Von Braun is basically this monster and there's no debate about it, right?
I didn't think he was a monster.
I just thought he was like a Bob Lazar.
Bob Lazar was like, I didn't care about the AI. I just liked the technology.
Well, I mean, if you believe, again, and Annie Jacobson reports this in her book, you know, among other sources, I believe it was, what, the two or three, maybe four most unproductive workers each week were hung outside of the factory in which they were using the slave labor for rockets under the Nazi regime.
At least that's the tale. Okay?
But getting back to the Horton brothers, because I think it's really important.
They're not working on rockets.
They're working on...
Right wing, yeah.
Yeah, they're doing different types of propulsion systems.
And essentially, what will eventually become the bomber that we see during the first Gulf War,
and we really haven't seen anything declassified since then, 30 plus years later,
the stealth bomber comes from them.
That is their technology. Now, on top of that, when you're listening or reading Area 51, you find out that basically the SR-71 program and these programs are also happening at the same time.
But the Horton brothers at one point get captured by the U.S. after the war.
But they're also taken by the Russians first.
So there's actually a thing called Operation Harass.
So after the war, you know, and...
You can justify that this is why the United States did this.
The Russians were grabbing a lot of Nazis.
Yeah, right. For those that don't understand...
The Nazis invaded their country.
So, you know, they already were privy to having a bunch.
And after the war, there was kind of this race and this divvy up.
Apparently, Stalin gets the Horton brothers.
Now, we know about the Bell Project, and we know about other types of saucer craft that the Nazis were absolutely working on.
Teller... Who's at Area 51.
He'll later work with the Horton Brothers.
And it becomes pretty apparent that, obviously, the SR-71 Blackbird and the stealth bombers and stuff come from Horton Brothers-type propulsions.
What is stated in the book, and she still, I don't believe, has revealed this source's name.
Now, this is somebody that was there, Lockheed Martin, Skunk Works, all of it, right?
Right. That he said that what actually happened was that Stalin not only got the Horton brothers, but the Mengele brothers.
Or not Mengele brothers.
Joseph Mengele. Okay?
Super Mengele brothers.
Super Mengele brothers with the Horton brothers.
Luigi Mengele.
They clone Mengele. All right.
He gets them.
And basically, he gets this kind of craft technology that's really unstable.
Right? Right.
And again, this is the claim of this source.
And the United States had been caught at this point spying on Russians from an altitude that they couldn't do anything about.
But they had almost cloned technology where they had another aircraft with what was supposedly a Horton Brothers engineered disc.
Where they took children that had been butchered by Mengele to look like aliens, I guess.
Right. I saw her talk about this on Rogan.
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, the obvious question she asks after this is, well, if this is the case, why didn't we just blow the whistle on it?
That's a good question. Great question.
And he responds, because we were doing the same thing.
Now let's hit a giant pause.
Okay. Okay. We know about a unit...
I think it was 731 from Japan doing bio...
Dude, they were talking...
Yeah, wild. That's wild.
At the wildest. All of Japan's atrocities are so...
You know, people don't know why Asia doesn't know about Hitler.
Do you remember in Thailand when...
It was a while ago, but it was such a hilarious story.
Some technical school, art school made a big billboard that said Heroes of the World, and it had Captain America, Incredible Hulk, Spider-Man, and Hitler.
And then they had to apologize.
It was like a media thing for a minute.
And my girlfriend used to teach ESL. Asians don't understand why Hitler's...
Most of them don't know about Jews.
In China, They love Jews, actually.
If your daughter marries a white guy, they go, oh, are you Jewish?
Because all those negative stereotypes...
Are positive to them.
...are very positive tiny stereotypes.
And this is what I was told by multiple people there.
And so, like, if you didn't know who Hitler was, and you just saw this asshole, and you don't speak the language, I imagine it would be like when I first saw Gangnam Style.
I'm like, what is this?
This guy's hilarious. Like a cartoon.
Because the stuff that Japan did is so...
I mean, I didn't understand.
The rape of Nanking is so crazy that I think it's the only outside of Ukraine or the Ukrainian community in Canada where they have a statue to a fucking Nazi because he was the ambassador that went around saving people from the massive gang rapes.
And to this day, he was a hero.
He stopped a bunch of atrocities.
Give a statue to him in Shanghai!
Bro, when I watch American Heroes Channel, and I watch that a lot more than the History Channel, because they have Hitler, Blueprints of Evil, all that other stuff.
When they show the Nazis, they're showed in a positive light in the Ukraine all the way back then in World War II. They show the footage of the Ukrainians welcoming them.
People don't understand these cultural things.
That's my point.
So much is hidden.
Most people don't understand that, really, bio-warfare in its infancy comes from Japan.
Then it gets into, like, the Nazis and DuPont.
But we're also doing it.
We just won. So we get to cover up the most.
DuPont, I mean, I don't want to get too far off topic, but when I was at Art Institute, and so that's in Philly, and there's a bunch of...
You went to the Art Institute of Philadelphia?
I fucking hate you, dude.
So I was supposed to go to the Art Institute of Philadelphia.
It wasn't a great school?
Well, to me it would have been a cool one because I was like, it's so funny, man, because again, I wanted to draw.
I'd gotten accepted to it.
You didn't have a portfolio requirement when I did it.
Well, we're a similar age.
I'm 44. I'll be 44 in three weeks.
I know you're 46. I'm 46. So when I went, I was one of the few people that could do life drawing.
Most people were doing shitty...
Like in life drawing class, they're drawing anime or shit.
And I was good at life drawing because I had learned...
I had this book called Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain when I was a kid.
Because anybody can learn to draw if you could just learn to...
In fact, I think that's why...
I have an easier time looking at a kind of big picture besides the inoculation of being in a doomsday cult.
Like people that can't draw like faces or something or hands are notoriously hard even for a computer because people are very symbol based.
That's how you get trained as a kid.
So you're like an L is a nose.
And they can't just be like, don't look at it as a nose.
That's your brain fucking with you.
Don't put a label on it. Just look at lines.
And so doing comedy, that's really the trick of it.
It's just seeing the lines.
And then it's pretty funny when you do that.
It's almost like you're doing all the work you were supposed to do and the answer you get is wrong.
But I did the work.
And that's my favorite kind of joke.
I was just so heartbroken I didn't get to go because I thought I was going.
I'd met with them. I'd been accepted.
And we were supposed to go drive there the next day and fill out the paperwork.
And my parents basically said that we don't have the money.
And it was this May, right before I graduated in June of my senior year.
And that's how I ended up in Oneonta.
I had a friend that was an artist.
Yeah, that's actually why I stuck around.
They had a computer art program there and I had access to the lab all the time.
I was able to just kind of go smoke weed and hang out until four in the morning.
Really, if anybody knows anything about the subject, yeah, you learn.
When you're talking about drawing and you're talking about breaking things down, you learn
a lot.
I think that's a really good point.
and you're talking about breaking things down.
Yeah, you're gonna learn stuff from a professor, but especially when you're in the field of computers and graphics, and that's how I run my own show.
That changes. I mean, like, we all learned The Flash back in the day.
Yes! Before Flash, we were doing a...
I can't remember. Anyway, wait, wait, wait.
So there's so many people from the DuPont.
So, and I didn't know anything about the DuPont family like that.
But they all had, like, ghost stories about how the DuPonts are so fucking inbred.
And they have, like, a family...
People will work their family reunions and they have all kinds of, like, carnival monstrosities because they had that...
And they really did have that.
That's like that wackadoo that shot the wrestler.
She was probably one of the better genetic outcomes of them.
He's one of the better guys.
Well, listen, again, when I started to go further into 9-11, and you look at the nepotism and the generational bloodlines, and like you said, the inbreeding, it's hard to get your head around, man.
But at the same time, it's those people that end up at the top of this compartmentalization pyramid that we're kind of talking about, right?
The pyramid is, it's amazing.
Like, why is a pyramid on the dollar?
Because that's our national scheme.
Yeah. That's why everyone loved Charles Ponzi.
They're like, come on, there's a lot more American than Charles Ponzi.
And there isn't. It's like a mystical structure that can cause money to flow uphill and defy gravity.
Brother, I mean, I want to hone in just on this alien thing at the end.
I know we're going all over the place.
Sure, man. By the way, were you raised religious?
No, yeah, I'll tell you, man.
I guess I was raised a Christian in a big Italian family.
Catholic? No, but they came from Catholic.
That's my mom, too. My mom was an Italian Catholic that became a Jehovah's Witness.
Well, my mom was a teenage mother on the short end of a big family.
So I think I have like six or seven aunts and uncles if I list them all off.
And she was the second to youngest, had me at 16.
So my grandparents who had come over from Italy, that's where I got a lot of it.
But at the same time, we were in the church all the time, right?
There's a lot of God and I wasn't a big fan of it.
I never tell this story, but like my dad was in and out of trouble all the time and in and out of jail.
Um, so my mother at one point now she was there.
I want to say that she did come along, but she sent me to this Christian father, son, uh, retreat with a black man.
I've never met before. So let me get, let me get my pants down.
Tell me the story slowly.
Let's just say at like eight years old, it was a weird experience.
And then on top of that, after my parents had pretty much busted up...
Wait, it was fine? What's that?
It was fine. I mean, it was just one of those things.
First of all, you're kind of in a weird situation because it's like the religious camp, but then it's a father and son camp.
You're not only with a dude you don't know, but like obviously in the 80s, we're not as integrated racially.
And I'm like this little...
He wasn't a Cosby to you?
I mean, before the fall.
He was a nice guy.
And like I said, my mom was...
There was no touching...
No, we did the events together.
He was part of the church. It was just weird that that would happen on the religious aspect.
Then, my dad starts dating a pastor's daughter.
And they actually live in the church, so it's this huge building.
So on weekends, until I was about 12 years old when he did real prison time, I would live in a church on the weekends where I would have to go to Sunday school and then sit front row.
Are you charismatics or just regular born again?
Those, I think, were Methodists or Protestants.
So they weren't too bad.
It's a pastor deal.
It wasn't like you're going to die sinful.
But a lot of Jesus, a lot of sinning.
And my problem was I also grew up very poor.
So I looked at all this as kind of a crutch in a very negative manner.
Right. You know, when you're a kid, you kind of have, like, this idealized thing where, why me?
And why is this happening?
And, you know, prayers aren't working for this or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So, for a long time, I really rejected it.
And I'm not super religious by any means now.
But, like, when we look at those nepotistic bloodlines and you look at their history and what they're into, you know, some of them are in some weird, dark shit, man.
Like, one of the things that I've studied for a really long time now, I don't have them in front of me.
They're in my downstairs office.
But I have...
I have the Bohemian Grove annals.
Are you aware of the Bohemian Grove?
Yeah. Of course, right?
Yeah. So, the Bohemian Grove, a lot of people like to call it Moloch worship.
It is not. Again, I have their internal stuff.
No, it's not. But Moloch is not an owl.
It's not. But I will say our society, Chris Hedges, who we have on all the time, and he's a minister, like the thing of sacrificing your baby, Japanese had that called Mabiki, where you, the late, late term abortion, where the kid's already four and you're And then they had a population decline and then discouraged Mabiki after that.
But the thing for economic gain, sacrificing your child, we have that here.
It's called abortion. You know, I remember going to OzFest with Big J and Bill Burr and Opie and Anthony and a bunch of guys a long time ago and I'd never seen Iron Maiden before.
Oh, you lucky bastard. I've never seen Iron Maiden.
On my own time, I never listened, but the live show of them was so awesome.
This guy had to be 50, Bruce, whatever.
Bruce Dickinson, baby! Run through the hills!
Dude, I don't even know how he changed costumes so fast.
The guitar players are throwing their guitars in the air, spinning them and catching them.
This big, giant, animatronic devil thing comes out of the stage that's turning around, looking at everyone, and smoke coming out of its eyes, and we all worshipped it.
Deal, man. So that's kind of where I was coming from as a kid.
Well, you mean Grove is for nerds?
Everybody's doing this shit everywhere.
Well, hold on.
I'll get to that in a minute because I also have the guy that brought all the occultism from China and the East, actually.
His name is George Bromley.
He has a book out there called The Long Ago and The Later On.
It's really interesting. And it's actually, the cover of it is a ship shaped like the owl because he brought the owl over.
And he actually brought in a lot of the druidic practices, etc.
I'm glad you brought up the rock and roll point.
I'm a fucking metalhead. Love that shit.
I get it. As I was growing up, again, I thought all of this was fake.
There's nothing to spirituality.
And really, the only Satanist or occultist is the kid that isn't getting laid in high school.
He's wearing eye makeup. He's a little overweight.
He doesn't have a good personality.
No, it's just capitalism. Yeah.
Well, again, I would say there's...
I think that you have the kind of sociopathic people that'll do whatever to be part of the club.
Or Schwarzenegger. I'm just saying you have those people.
And then I think there is an undertone.
So, they're books.
Certainly. Yes.
I'm sure a lot of them will drink a baby.
I'm just saying that's their hobby.
Our system, like C-SPAN, the main devil worship, you can watch it on C-SPAN. When we go and, hey, we're going to sanction Iraq and then 250...
Well, those are the real sacrifices, right?
That's why these are the real organized criminals.
And I always talk about that, just because they wear suits.
Think about the worst capo in gangster history.
His lifetime of murders doesn't even come to one drone bomb a guy that Lindsey Graham jerks off over.
Like, that's like, you know, that's the reality.
Best money we ever spent.
Yeah. Bohemian Grove.
The owl. So in their own documents, so in their own books, which are very much Clubhouse, by the way, like you kind of talked about.
They've got the art in there.
In fact, one of their, because they don't come out every year.
When I talk about annals, about every decade or so, I think there's 11 or 12 of them.
I have nine. I'm missing three.
And right now, the latest one is super expensive.
It's like thousands of dollars. I'm not spending that.
I usually pay somewhere between, if I'm lucky, I can get them for like $150 to $3 when they get on the market.
What's in it? So basically, they're for the club members.
Like, some of these books are over 100 years old.
People die, man.
And then once people die, their estates go up for sale.
You get their devil yearbook?
I get their dead. Dude, some of them are signed, like, of some of the members inside that I have.
I love one for mixing because I love his recording about it.
In the long ago and the later on with Bromley.
And Bromley, if you've never seen...
Have you ever seen the pre-Owl Bohemian Grove?
No. So, let's just do that.
Bohemian Grove Buddha.
So, before they had the owl, which was brought there by Bromley, what they did have is this.
They had the Buddha, the Great Buddha in the thing.
And if you look at this one in particular, let's see if we can bring that up.
Man, I wish I could get the bigger one, but whatever.
Do it on the fly. Open image and new tab.
So, let's do this.
If you zoom in, Right here in the middle on the top, that's George Bromley in his big hat.
And he replaces the Buddha with the owl for a multitude of reasons, but one of them was wisdom, and the other was the fact that it could see in the dark and its predatory nature.
So, you know, this is a predator that's very wise.
It's artists. Like, there's always the claim to ancient knowledge, and it's fluid.
It changes, and there's always a class of people that lives off of rich dipshits.
You know, you go to Hawaii, Steve Boykinen was like, he made me laugh, so he goes, yeah, you just go to Hawaii and bring a didgeridoo, and walk on the beach and tell them you're like a sound therapist, and you'll fucking do great.
Like... I didn't mean to lie, but I want to go.
Oh, it's a great Kauai go-to. But anyway, LA is full of that.
You know, I live in West Hollywood, and there's, like, just a cottage industry, if you're smart, of your, like, Nostradamus-y...
Horoscope to the stars kind of job of dingbat nonsense.
And that's all shit that happens.
And I'm sure people get into some real wild shit.
And that's Northern California, by the way.
That's kind of how Bromley gets brought in.
Bromley's not a Superman of prominence.
And he actually describes how, in the book, where he gets recruited to it, right?
Oh, you know what he just reminded me of, by the way?
What's that? It's not really off topic because it reminded me of this, but...
Why I didn't buy...
Because I forgot the thing of, like, why would they cover that up for 80 years?
They're pushing special needs kids out of a shitty saucer.
And because we're doing the same thing here?
Since when the fuck does that stop us from saying Russia's crimes, the fact that we do the same thing here?
Well, I would say this. How are you going to prove it's Russian?
Like, you could say it's Russian, but it's not like it was marked Russian, right?
You don't got to prove shit. They'll never miss a chance to say a communist dictator's evil.
That's one of the most evil things I ever heard.
And if Russia goes, well, you were doing it too, we're going to go, oh, that's your Russian playbook.
There is no advantage to not blaming Russia for that horrific story.
I don't know, man. I just look at it this way, like when she talks to the same source later on, like at the end of the book, and it's like the stellar end of the book, like long book.
She says she's got a breadcrumb left, a crouton from her salad.
And she asks him, like her empty plate, she goes, if this crouton is the amount of information that you've given me, when I put it on the plate, how much of the plate haven't you told me?
You know, he goes, forget about the plate.
How about the table?
No, I remember that. Yes.
So what I'm coming to here is...
I think that there have been a lot of different types of eugenics programs.
I think that we have the technology right now with chimeras, which are basically splicing of two different biological entities, sometimes more, multiple, that you could literally have created what looks like a walking, talking alien that's been raised in an environment to believe it's such, and maybe could even communicate with you.