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The Epstein Network Uncovered With Johnny Vedmore

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They Attack the Savers 00:03:21
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and buckle the truck up.
It's going to be Epstein like you've never seen or heard before with investigative journalist Johnny Vedmore.
This one is a can't miss.
Let's get ready to make sense of the madness.
There is perhaps no more well-known child sex trafficker and abuser in the world right now than Jeffrey Epstein.
But as notorious as Epstein was or is, this is something that has been going on for a very, very long time.
Not only the sexual abuse of children and women, and yes, boys and men as well, but the blackmail, the power, the brokering that goes along with it.
And it is global.
And let me just tell you right now, I am so happy that on July 4th, the truth movement, the people that really do care about this issue and the children it impacts most, had a huge victory at the box office with Sound of Freedom, defeating what?
A huge Hollyweird production with a huge Hollyweird star, Harrison Ford, and name Indiana Jones.
And what does the media do?
They attack, attack, attack.
Now, I just want to say this to The Guardian and other publications that would attack this feature.
First of all, it has nothing to do with QAnon conspiracy theories.
This film, which I was lucky enough to see on the 4th of July at Cinemark Theaters, which during the day had been completely sold out, folks.
I had to go to The Late Show, and I'm glad I did because what this film really was, was a narrative based on a true story, the likes of, say, a Donny Brasco.
But instead of breaking up the Italian mafia, this is showing the very dark nature of child trafficking.
And perhaps one of the most powerful things in the film was as they were ready to roll the credits, they showed you the actual operation in real time, documenting it.
So you could see the actual children that were saved.
And what does the media do?
They attack rrescue.org, Operation Underground Railroad.
They attack the people that are actually saving the children.
Well, I want to say that I am super proud of this network here, AMP News, and this program for over the past couple of weeks, having as many people as possible from that organization that is actually saving children here to speak about it and gain support because it's an issue that I refuse to let go away.
Boyce's Insight into Epstein Networks 00:09:10
And one of the ways that we're going to get this out there is exposing the vast nature of the networks that surround Epstein himself.
And those networks include drug dealing, money laundering, arms trading, all the dirty little secrets that the predator class does not want you to know about.
And to talk about Epstein is one of the best investigative journalists on the subject.
I first became aware of him when he was doing an Epstein Bond Girl series.
Now, for those that don't know, I've been talking about Epstein for the better part of 15 years when the Palm Beach case began to break.
And one of the things that I was constantly doing was breaking down the documentation that you could find at courtlistener.com or other available sites so I could see exactly what was in these cases.
But there were certain things that, hey, even I couldn't find.
Well, a guy like Johnny Vedmore finds him.
And when he brought up the Nicole Junkerman series, I was blown away.
So now to talk about his latest series, the Pottinger Supremacy Ultimatum.
Yeah, it's a little bit of play on the born supremacy.
Is Johnny Vedmore?
And this is one where I really feel like we're going to have to hit the cliff notes because you can spend two, three, four hours with just one piece of one of his series.
Mr. Vedmore, thank you so much for joining us, sir.
Before we get going, and we're going to get going, we're going to be talking Iran Contra.
We're going to be talking Watergate.
We're going to be talking fixers.
I want to talk a little Bond girl as well.
And that's where I want to start.
The Nicole Junkerman series is really where I feel you sunk your teeth into this case and exposed the world to Johnny Vedmore.
So very briefly, let my audience know how you got involved in this and the significance of this woman.
Thank you, Jason.
Thank you, everybody who's watching as well for listening because that's part of the thing here.
We find the information, but people have got to be listening to it and spreading it around and talking about it.
Now, I'd started being a journalist with quotation marks around 2015, 2016.
But by 2019, I had obviously wandered into a world where I had already been investigating intelligence agency activity.
I had been looking for a place in the Epstein affair where I could report that would be original because everything was just repeated over and over again, same things being said over and over again.
And I wanted something new.
I wanted to find something new.
And so, so I mean, I went through the flight logs and found patterns within the flight logs.
Epstein always flew with members of his entourage, nearly always.
Or he brought people to him with his plane.
But with Nicole Junkerman and one other person on the available flight logs at the time, they had flown alone with Epstein.
And that was really rare.
So that led me to say, okay, I need to focus in on this lady.
You know, I had a big chart with loads of different colors all over the place.
And it was two colors in one color.
It was a sign, a pattern.
And that led me down a road.
I knew once I investigated, once I found out the information and when I was about to release the article, I knew my life was going to change dramatically once the moment I entered into the Epstein case.
And it has.
My life has gone crazy ever since.
And, you know, you enter into this and part of your world gets swallowed up by negative actions by intelligence agency actors who are behind the scenes trying to stop people like me doing the work that I'm doing.
So that's how I got into it, really.
Excellent.
And I would encourage everybody to start there because there's a wealth of information out there via Epstein and this network for it to operate the way it did for decades.
People have to understand there are close associates within the system that are very well aware of the activities that are going on and not only are aware, but they're co-conspirators.
And it's not like Epstein was the mastermind of everything as well.
And that's why your articles are so important.
Now, you've delved into a ton of other things, including the World Economic Forum, Klaus Nutschwab, Henry Kissinger.
But your latest target is a man named Stanley Pottinger.
And Pottinger is what I like to call a fixer.
I would say a fixer really on the level of somebody like a Bill Barr, who has been lifelong central intelligence agency out in the open.
But then on the flip side of that, you have guys like Pottinger that just continually have intelligence connections and get the right positions in government at the right times and the right positions in law firms and corporations at the right times too, Johnny.
Yeah, yeah.
And there's not many fixers like this around.
There's only a handful at this level.
So Pottinger's one of them.
Epstein was one of them in a sense.
Hunter Biden, I think, has treaded that road, but got himself into loads of trouble.
But like looking at Jay Stanley Pottinger and his background is just extraordinary.
I mean, this is a man who was involved in the biggest events in the past, what, 50 years.
So involved in finding no conspiracy at Watergate in the assassination of Martin Luther King, Kent State Massacre, intimately involved in the standoff of Wounded Knee and the harassment of the people who were protesting against the very corrupt tribal leader.
He was intimately involved in Alanda Letelier case where he ended up getting rights for CIA to use domestic surveillance on its own citizens.
And of course, like you say, he was central, very central, one of the most important figures in Iran-Contra, the building of Iran-Contra and the October surprise.
So to see a guy like this be representing the Epstein victims isn't too much of a surprise when you analyze the first case against Jeffrey Epstein and work out that basically every single person who was on every single side had been co-opted by Epstein's team.
And I think this is basically what happened to SegaThey.
But Pottinger is an incredible figure.
I mean, if you need something done, you go to a man like Stan.
He is really, and it's mentioned multiple times by other people as well.
He is like Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction for the CIA.
Yes, he's a very interesting figure.
And, you know, you talk about Pottinger being this guy that you're going to, that's kind of a fixer.
You talk about Epstein also being a type of a fixer.
Now, on the lawyer end of it, really kind of an outward comparison could be made to a guy like David Boyce, who David Boyce, you know, represented some of the monsters that he would inevitably help take down, especially when you talk about somebody like Weinstein, which is in that circle of influence via Epstein.
I mean, we've all seen the picture, but obviously there's more to the story than just a picture, Johnny.
Yeah, these guys, listen, these guys all have really sensitive things to deal with.
And Boyce is one of those guys.
So Boyce's career, I mean, he made his name in the early 90s, and he's sorting out the Drexel Burnham Lambert milking junk bond scheme.
And then he goes on to fight against the Microsoft case that made him really famous.
And then the Hanging Chads on for Al Gore, he represented Al Gore on the Hanging Chads for the 2000 election results.
Of course, lost that and George W. Bush gets in.
But this guy is really important.
He's handling the important cases, and he's a fixer for these types of cases, these ones that are really awkward.
And there's lots of people who are rich who have some sort of dog in the fight.
And it's not a surprise that Boyce and Pottinger come together, but Boyce had connections to Epstein from at least 2005, where his name actually comes up with a callback request from David Boyce on when the FBI search Epstein's residence.
So there's obviously connections there with all of these fixes too, because if you're in a real like high-level fix-in job like that, there's not many other people who are working with you on these things.
Reagan's Election and Hostages 00:10:28
And that's kind of why the Iran-Contra thing sees the same event affair, sees the same characters involved in it.
You know what?
When we come back, we got to take a break.
I want to dive a little deeper into where this connection originally originates from in the mainstream media, no less.
And Vicki Ward talking about a connection to Adnan Khashoggi, and all of a sudden, alarm bells rang.
We're going to talk about that and so much more.
It is Making Sense of the Madness, joined by Johnny Bedmore.
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It's making sense in the madness, and it is a trust no one type of day, even the mainstream media that has reported on this subject.
Now, Johnny, it first came to my attention that there might be an Iran-Contra connection, especially when you're talking about somebody that's got fake passports and different residences, and he has connections to the Israelis.
And then that passport has a Saudi Arabian address, but it seems to be given to him by Austria.
All these very odd and weird things with the case, you have two key things coming out from a journalist named Vicki Ward, who may be salacious herself.
You know, there's certainly been criticism of her, her husband, and her connections.
In fact, how she had this inside knowledge on Epstein that didn't seem to be anywhere in the public arena.
And those two things were very important to me.
Number one, that he was connected to notorious arms dealer and playboy Adnan Khashoggi.
And two, that Alex Acosta, who was in the Trump administration, but not for much longer after this was revealed, had cut the sweetheart deal because he was told that Epstein was intelligence and this was above his pay grade.
Now, Within 48 hours of that, Alex Acosta is asked this in a press conference in which he does not deny it.
He simply says, don't believe everything that you read.
Within another 48 hours, he's not in a press conference.
He's outside arm in arm with Donnie T, the Trump meister himself, resigning, giving his resignation.
So it all gets fixed and goes away.
And right away, I thought to myself, you know, this guy's been at it for a very long time.
We know that Ghelain Maxwell, his madam girlfriend, if you will, is the daughter of Robert Maxwell.
Media, Israeli intelligence connections, maybe more intelligence connections.
They're saying the Ruskies might have been there.
Who knows?
He liked to sell to the highest bidder.
And my alarm bells go completely haywire.
Then in your article recently, the second part, you have a third part out where we're going to talk about later in the program, which really codifies this.
But you also mention that Jeffrey Epstein himself, heavily invested and making big money via the Iran-Contra scandal.
And all of a sudden, Pottinger is involved in that as well, Johnny.
So for us, go for it.
Yeah, because what people have got to really understand is that these guys were in it right from the beginning.
You know, these guys were the guys who created it.
Iran-Contra, it was a collection of events that happened, but it was kind of so linked with the intelligence were going to be there anyway.
The October surprise, the Iranian hostage siege, all of that was seen as something that could potentially happen.
So talking with Iranians and making contact with people was happening anyway.
So ending up into arms smuggling is only the next natural step because that's what the CIA always does.
It looks for other opportunities when it makes connections and links.
And so they were making connections and links to try and sway the Iranian hostage crisis.
And in doing so, of course, they go, ooh, we can do other things.
And eventually, so it's Whitney Webb and One Nation under Blackmail that says, you know, Jeffrey Epstein and others are like funding Adnan Khashoggi right at the start of Iran-Contra.
Yeah.
And Pottinger is 1979, December 1979, getting involved.
So right at the start.
Now, around this time as well, as you'll find out in the third book, Pottinger admits to Bradley Edwards that he, during this period, he worked in the same office as Epstein for two weeks.
And it was as an investment banker.
But this is while they were both involved with two very important people.
Of course, Epstein's funding Adnan Khashoggi.
Adnan Khashoggi's associate is Cyrus Hashemi.
Cyrus Hashemi is in business with Stanley Pottinger.
Stanley Pottinger has $100,000 invested in Cyrus Hashemi's bank.
And he also represents him as his lawyer.
So as soon as the Iran-Contra stuff starts, Stanley Pottinger becomes like the guy who's going to speak to the government and CIA on behalf of Cyrus Hashemi and Jamshid Hashemi, his brother, who's a very naughty boy, and try and work out if they can become central and involved.
Because Cyrus Hashemi has links to Pasandida, who was Ayatollah Khomeini's nephew.
So that obviously gave him a route in.
The CIA, of course, found Jamshid Hashemi's past to be unnerving, so didn't want to get involved.
But they were so desperate to see an end to the Iranian hostage siege and to get something out of it that they kept exploring.
And this then led to the October surprise meetings in Spain between people like William Casey, Robert Keith Gray, Pottinger himself, Cyrus Hashemi, Pasandida, and others.
And I mean, it's completely enthralling, but it's so, so big.
What I find amazing is, and it's wide-ranging, because like you said earlier, Cyrus Ashemi and his brother Jamshid are given $500,000 by the CIA, $500,000 back then to go and work on the campaign for it's been Sado or Mandani, I think it's Mandani, to be president of Iran.
And then if he fails, he had promised a coup, you know, just like the CIA likes.
Of course, his election failed, and eventually the CIA wanted their money back.
Hold on, John.
Are you telling me the Central Intelligence Agency is involved with election interference in the 70s?
Get out of town, Charlie Brown.
I can't believe it.
This is incredible.
I know.
No, no, I'm not telling you that because it was 1980, so it was the 80s.
Well, let's talk about that because you talk about, again, a wide-ranging slew of things that are happening.
Now, when we're talking about these meetings to get the hostages back, 1980 is a presidential year.
You've got Carter with the Brzezinski crew, and then you've got Reagan, George H.W. Bush, which is very much a dandy of the Rockefellers and many others, and a darling of the intelligence community.
And there seem to be these side meetings, competing meetings, where you already have representatives of Bush, Reagan, like Pottinger, like Casey, cutting side deals that maybe they hold on to those hostages a little longer until after the election, so that somebody like Reagan can be elected, correct?
Yes, and there's some very interesting.
I mean, the meetings are really interesting because there's already four different avenues.
Well, three different avenues that the Democrats and Carter and Brzezinski, as you say, are looking at during this hostage crisis to see the freeing of the hostage.
But none of those are really working out that well.
And Reagan and Reagan's team are really pushing hard.
So William Casey, who becomes CIA and director under Reagan, it was his campaign manager, I think it was, at one time.
And so he's obviously like, he knows he's going to get rewarded for what he's doing anyway.
And yeah, they're pushing a lot of things.
And eventually it's been Sadder who gives evidence about this to the joint task force on the October surprise in the 90s and says it was very clear that when he was meeting Pottinger, that Pottinger was there not to represent America, the hostages, or any fair negotiations.
They were there to represent Reagan's team.
That's what they were there for.
They were there to make sure that it was a massive PR win for the Reagan team and to keep those hostages in Iran for a little bit longer.
Reagan's Team Pardons 00:12:49
It's incredible.
And a lot of people don't understand this mainline history.
It's funny.
I had Floyd G. Brown on the program yesterday of Western Journal Citizens United.
And we had a discussion about how when he began in the Reagan administration in his early 20s as this Reaganite, when he would go abroad with the Central Intelligence Agency, they would make him push socialism.
And he's like, no, I don't want to do that.
That's not my ideal set.
And he said, no, this is how we win.
And, you know, obviously he's reflected on those moments and said, you know, this deep state thing has gone on for a very long time.
This network is very real.
George H.W. Bush has his little hands in a lot of it.
And a lot of it is highlighted in this book, One Nation Under Blackmail that is not friendly to the green screen.
But everybody should go read and check out because it's absolutely phenomenal.
Two volumes.
When we get back, we're going to take a quick break.
I want to get into the financial significance of Jeffrey Epstein and Khashoggi during this period and how Khashoggi was really a player in this for multiple people that would be kind of shielded and protected from the prosecutions.
Although, when you got a fixer like Pottinger, even those that get prosecuted end up being pardoned.
We'll be back after this.
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It's making sense of the madness.
Newspaced.com is where you're going to find this riveting series on Stanley Pottinger that we've barely, and I mean barely scratched the surface of.
We just honed in a little bit on the Iran-Contra affair and the hostages.
But the real scandal to me, although that is a huge political scandal in many ways, is this arms trade.
And it is the profiteering of this dealing that the vast majority of Americans and really citizens around the world cannot comprehend.
So, Johnny, take us through it.
How was it that Khashoggi himself was being bankrolled by the Epstein network?
Well, for me, I mean, that's that I've used sources from Whitney's work because it's other people who are the experts on Khashoggi.
For me, I have to, when I was going through this piece, I was going through like every era.
There's all of these negative characters.
And Adnan Khoshogi had always been someone who was obviously in every had his finger in every single buy.
And I, you know, I've seen him talk and I've read lots about him.
But all I know is that Epstein was helping to fund it along with other bankers.
There was a group of them.
And Adnan Khoshogi was just one of the most, I think he's really emblematic.
Like that sort of relationship is emblematic of what it looks like now, arms smuggling and the type of people who were involved.
And it's not a surprise that Stanley Pottinger ended up involved with him.
But in the same year, Stanley Pottinger ended up being involved in this network.
He was also defending an arms dealer called Gerald Bull, who had been selling arms for the CIA to South Africa to use against Angola.
And so at this time, there's loads of arms dealing going on.
All of these guys are going at it, and there's loads of stuff going on.
But when it comes to Adnan Khashoggi, I'm not the main expert on it.
You know, you would know more about Adnan Khashoggi's work than me.
Well, let me just say this.
What I really loved about your second piece in the series, you know, you just talked about Bull, is that you could spend, again, I'm not even joking.
First of all, you're going to need about an hour, hour and a half to really read and comprehend.
But if you want to study the stuff, you've embedded these little documentaries and source pieces, and of course, links to the source material.
And one of them is on this bull scandal.
And like you said, Pottinger is there to be the fixer in the arms trade that this guy gets caught up in.
And, you know, you have all these people.
You know, I can reference even Prince Bernard of the Netherlands getting caught up in his Lockheed scandal and basically why he had to step down from being the Bilderberg chairman.
But they don't go to prison.
They don't really get in trouble.
And then when they do get short, usually they'll get a fine.
And then if they do get a short jail term, either it's, you know, time served or they do end up getting pardoned after the fact.
I mean, this is a Well, I can tell you, Cyrus Hashemi got fast acting leukemia.
That's what he got for it.
Yeah.
Well, again, he wasn't an American citizen and he was on the other side of the trade.
That whole story is worth the price of admission itself in this.
Let's talk about some of the things that Pottinger is a fixer for before that era, before he comes into Iran-Contra.
And you see those first connections to Epstein and later how he kind of becomes a white knight for the women's issues, but he's been a white knight for some time on social issues.
This guy is involved, if you read the first piece, in Kent State, in Watergate, in, I'm missing it.
What is it?
Wounded knee.
Wounded knee, that's it.
I mean, he's everywhere in these social justice fixing situations and has every connection.
Tell us about that.
Yeah, well, he's brought in.
I mean, he does his time in Harvard and Harvard.
He starts attending Harvard in 1958, does practice in government and then does law afterwards and leaves about 1964, 1965.
And during that time, of course, Harvard is linked with loads of programs that are going on, lots of them CIA funded.
And he ends up leaving.
But what's really interesting is most of the people who go into the Nixon administration and the Ford administration at Assistant Attorney General level within the Justice Department had usually come from legal practices.
And it turns out, in an article afterwards, I found out that most of them only actually practiced one or two cases between university and going into these governments.
So it's almost like they're placed into position already.
And in 1969, he got a position in the Department of Health, Education and Welfare.
And then he got put as basically the head of civil rights division for health, education and welfare, changing to the Justice Department and becoming Assistant Attorney General in 1973.
But in that first three-year term, that was him creating his like, oh, I'm a civil rights, like I work for civil rights and I practice, you know, defending civil rights and trying to stop desegregation.
But at the same time, all of his policies were causing more desegregation, more segregation than less segregation.
And they were all failing, but he wasn't there to do that.
He was there to get the name.
And by 1973, 1974, when he's joined the Justice Department, I think that was partly because Watergate started to be in full swing.
And he was named as one of the people who might lose his job.
And instead, they put him in the Justice Department.
And he becomes Assistant Attorney General.
And then he's focused in on covering up these sort of cases, you know, being involved in checking all the evidence for whether there was a conspiracy in the assassination of Martin Luther King by the FBI and finding no conspiracy found, and Kent State Mascara and finding no conspiracy found.
And Watergate, which he stays on extras in a role under Jimmy Carter as well to investigate and finds no real conspiracy in certain areas.
Doesn't really come to the gist.
When I say no conspiracy found in Watergate, the whole thing was a conspiracy.
So it basically only ended up with two people getting told off.
That was basically the end of it.
And lots of the people who were involved in the Weather Underground stuff that Watergate was about are still in politics and in positions of power today.
So, I mean, that's I've got to investigate.
Let's focus in on that just for a second because I found the numbers in the Weather Underground fix so alarming.
I believe it was like to investigate over 100 of these people.
You'd add actual bombings via that.
There end up being two prosecutions.
But don't those people end up getting pardoned?
Yeah, you know, a lot of this is all about, you know, Stanley Pottinger, whenever he took on these cases, he's in the newspapers and he's saying, We're going to look at this really hard and we don't like this and we might indict and we might do this.
And he talks tough.
And then the next time he talks, he says, oh, you know, we've got to be careful about what we talk about because this is a legal issue.
And then the next time it's like, oh, there's no conspiracy found.
So, so all of these things it doesn't matter whether there's a conspiracy in there.
It doesn't matter what the actual thing that happened.
For Stanley Pottinger, he goes through a routine, talks tough, waits for the dust to settle, and then does the opposite thing than he's meant to do at the end.
And it's really interesting because it comes up in the third article as well about Watergate.
There was an actual evidence of him because in Bob Woodward's book in 2005, The Secret Man, he mentions Pottinger and he says Pottinger worked out that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, the deputy or assistant director, the FBI at the time.
And he was being examined by Pottinger.
And Pottinger noticed that his reaction, when he asked him, Are you Deep Throat? his reaction was a little bit funny.
And so he said, Oh, listen, I can withdraw that question if you want, as not appropriate or necessary to the investigation at hand, which was the break-ins for Watergate and other things and the Weather Underground movement.
But it was very, I mean, that is an example of Pottinger covering up stuff in real time, being responsive and seeing that, oh, this is the moment when that's why he's in that position.
So that when Mark Felt looked, oh my God, it's me.
Yeah, you've caught me.
That he's there to say, okay, then we'll shut that up and we won't say anything.
So he actually, like, he's covering things up as he goes as well.
So he's in a position that's, you know, he's flexible, he's floating around the place.
But at the end of the day, they have to be in control of the information.
You know, the parallels to a guy like Bill Barr with this, you talked about him being the assistant attorney general.
For those that don't know, before Bill Barr was Trump's attorney general, he was the youngest attorney general of all time under what?
The Bush administration, George H.W., not the W.
And before that, he worked hand in hand with his good buddy, Robert Mueller, who comes in later.
You know, first of all, for those that don't understand Robert Mueller, here's a guy that steps in to the head of the FBI right before 9-11.
I mean, literally right before as a fixer.
And then during the Russia collusion hoax, steps in in this special counsel as a fixer.
These guys at those levels are fixers.
CIA-Funded Program in India 00:02:45
And Pottinger himself also has a connection to another white knighter, if you will, one of the biggest out there, Gloria Steinem.
Oh, yeah, massive connection as well.
I mean, that's enormous.
They dated for 10 years.
So in 1974, he calls her up and says, hey, Gloria, how about you help me out with this case about women's rights?
And she says, okay, now, you could see why they're in love.
They both got incredibly flat jaws, like the flattest, square of CIA jaws you've ever seen.
Should give people away that the CIA, to be honest.
But Gloria Steinem's version of being a feminist was, hey, I'm going to dress up in leather and have an haircut that parts in the middle.
I'm a feminist.
And, you know, she was definitely a CIA plant.
And that's provable from an early time because in 1956, she gets a scholarship to go around India when she leaves college.
She does that.
During India, she meets a guy, I think he's called Clive Gray in Delhi, I believe it is.
She has a load of events in India where she's in like revolution here.
She's meeting Gandhi's ex-wife and Roy's ex-wife and stuff.
And it's all very interesting.
And when she comes back, she's recruited by the CIA.
Hugh Wilford's Mighty Wurlitzer makes it clear that she knew it was a CIA-funded program because she asked them by the same people who recruited her in India who were CIA.
That was the ISI, which was the Independent Students International, International Students.
So basically, it was set up in 1958 to go to an Austrian youth festival in 1959 to campaign against communists who were going to turn up at that youth festival in force to put forward communist propaganda.
So it was a CIA-funded program to do that.
Now, Gloria Steinem admits openly that she knew it was a CIA-funded program.
When she actually talks about it, she's like, oh, yes, but the CIA were doing really good things.
And I don't see the CIA as a bad organization.
And they become like, she hid her relationship.
She opens up Ms. Magazine and she hides a relationship with Pottinger, who's in the Nixon administration through the 70s, Mr. Straight Sideburns, straight to Sideburns you've seen.
She hides that.
And eventually it comes out, she opens up about it in the late 70s, early 80s when he's left power and when she's no longer so important on the feminist movement.
And then they're always out, seen out, going to Bronfman parties and stuff around and they're part of the set.
In 1984, when the Iran-Contra scandal breaks, what happens is at first, Stanley Pottinger's name comes out in the New York Times article where they say, look, Stanley Pottinger is sent her.
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And look at this.
The FBI worked wiretapping wiretapping.
No, tapping the phones of Cyrus Hashemi's office and picked up loads of conversations between him and Pottinger in the early 80s.
And so had all of the proof that he was completely involved in all of this stuff.
And so because of that, Pottinger had to lay low.
And Gloria Steinem ran off with Mort Zuckerman, the industrialist, the famous guy.
And Pottinger goes, lays low in Mexico until about 1987, where he comes back and gets given a job as a consultant for the Rockefeller Foundation.
What a surprise.
What a sign.
The Rockefeller fell that just sells me on him being a great guy.
I think that one of the best illustrations of what you just talked about is that these people are chameleons, right?
You look at somebody like Gloria Steinem, she's championing these issues.
She's all about feminism and women's rights, but at the same time, she's working for the subversive central intelligence agency, notorious for trying to control culture, even counterculture on every single level to the point where you have to think there's a connection to Miss Magazine and that publication as a possible, you know, Trojan horse civilian system for the agenda.
And this continues to this day.
We're going to take another break.
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We are joined by Johnny Vedmore.
And Johnny, I want to shift gears just slightly because Pottinger is representing a lot of these women.
Now, a lot of these cases are not over.
And we're seeing a lot of success, in my opinion, with these Virgin Island cases going after the banks that were working with Epstein.
Now you see JP Morgan attacking back and saying, hey, we're going to sue your ass.
You knew just as well as they knew.
And you kind of have this back and forth.
One of the things that you're kind of alluding to in this series is the controlled management of these cases and the information that comes out and those that are actually held accountable in any way.
So if you could just kind of briefly discuss what your thoughts are on these cases that are occurring right now and continuing to occur.
For instance, it's still in the news that a guy like Les Wexner, who we've talked about at length before, hasn't been served because he's been protected by bodyguards.
And at some point, he's probably going to get served.
You know, the media was talking about it possibly getting mailed to him.
So we've seen Jamie Dimon.
He was supposed to be deposed.
We've seen payouts from Deutsche Bank and others.
So they don't have to testify.
Give me your roundup and how a guy like Pottinger fits into that.
What I've discovered is that everything in the Epstein case is like one big veil over the top and nothing comes in.
No light comes in.
You know, all of this, JP Morgan, um, Noam Chomsky, all of these names that will come out are all there to be thrown to the wolves for people to be distracted for a bit because they know it'll be just backwards and forwards litigation.
In between those lines, in between there, are the real crimes, and no one's looking at them because they're too busy looking at whatever they put out.
So, whatever they put out, you can be sure is the scam, is the way to distract you, is part of the scam.
And even though it may be true and it may be grotesque and it may be horrible, it's still there to distract you from the other stuff, the much more important stuff that's there.
And I think that's what we're seeing.
We're seeing a slow rollout of information and release of different things that we'll see, um, legal battles that will then take it away from the actual people who are responsible.
And everybody will be looking somewhere else at a case over there.
And all of these are really important.
I'm not saying that these cases aren't really important, but a lot of the legal wrangling about the Epstein case, like I say, it's all sides are on the same side.
It's a very strange affair.
Um, I've found something really peculiar, especially of late, that people who claim to be supporters of, say, Prince Andrew, and people who claim to be supporters of the other side are all kind of trying to get me to think or look in the same direction at the moment, trying to get me to talk to the same people I won't talk to.
And it doesn't seem like there's actual sides in any of the Epstein case.
It's just a melee now of people fighting and arguing and bickering, and none of it will get to the nub of it.
And it's meant to be that way.
What we're fed is meant to keep us away from the nub.
Well, you know, I talked about Bill Barr several times in this, but we have to remember he is the authoritative source that told us that Epstein absolutely 100% killed himself and that every coincidence from the cameras not working to the people falling asleep were just that he thought it was wacky and wild too.
So then that gets fixed.
I, you know, I want to get your opinion in this segment of Steve Bannon's meetings with Epstein and the videotapes of Epstein, which he 100% has.
For those that do not know, during the 2000, I believe, and 18 midterm cycle before the arrest of Epstein, there were reports in the New York Post and other places that allegedly came from Roger Stone, of all people, that Epstein was meeting with Bannon.
Now, at the time, when I was reporting on it, I thought to myself, well, Bannon is a very slick political figure.
There's no doubt about that.
And he's trying to garner possibly some kind of backdoor support for the Republican Party.
That was my initial thinking.
Now, later on, it would be reported in other press outlets, and Bannon would say that he was making a documentary on Epstein because they were reporting that he was meeting with Epstein to reform his image somehow.
Like he was going to be a consultant on that.
How much of that is true?
Who knows?
We have a two-minute trailer with about 30 seconds of Epstein called The Monsters.
And probably the most riveting thing of all of it is that he asks him about you have an island.
He says two islands.
He goes, Islands of Dr. Moreau.
And he says, That is correct.
And that's the entire context of the conversation.
But for those that don't know what the island of Dr. Moreau is, it is an island in which you have genetic, chimeric experiments going on and humans being merged with different animals.
Why is that interesting?
Well, we do know about the alleged baby-making ranch and the army of Epstein clones and his interest in eugenics and Bill Gates' interest in eugenics and those connections.
So, I mean, there's a lot there.
What are your thoughts on the Bannon tapes and will we ever see them?
Bannon plays a different set, a different game to everybody else.
He plays a different game.
So he's a real wily character.
I see what he does.
He's very clever.
He looks at everything and he says, okay, what's the issue here?
If we were to go and talk to Epstein now, it would be like at that period, like 2019 or whatnot.
If we're going to Epstein now and we have an interview with him, then we are going to be able to ask him questions.
And if we can get him to answer the questions, anything that could compromise people before, anything that was potential compromise information, now becomes compromise in the hand of Steve Bannon.
All of those tapes, him talking with Epstein, would have garnered certain information that would have linked certain people or given us an idea of what was really going on and other things.
And it was, it's either, it's multiple reasons I think Steve Bannon hasn't released him.
Number one, you have to wait for something to be irrelevant, maybe, because it might be something that's extremely relevant that could get Bannon himself into trouble for not saying out loud beforehand what was said.
But more likely is that he's able now to give everybody this sense that he knows what Epstein knew at a level that none of us have before experienced.
And that is a real interesting power.
So it's not a surprise we haven't seen anything but those tiny little clips because why would you want to give away that power if you're Bannon?
Bannon, if he's gone in that and he said, well, if I can talk to him and I can talk to him honestly and openly like none of the other media are doing and he responds to me like Jeffrey Epstein sometimes does with people, then I will have information like no one else has got on Earth.
And if anything happens to him, which is probably likely, and Steve Bannon could go through that likelihood, if anything happens to him, then that information becomes gold.
Steve Bannon plays that game.
He plays like four-dimensional chess type stuff.
And people, of course, the mainstream media are saying he's an idiot.
He's stupid and all of this.
But that's what they got to keep doing to stop, you know, to keep their people on their side thinking they're the most intelligent people.
At the end of the day, Steve Bannon is a wily guy.
And I think he's got, it's like, in a sense, a second degree of blackmail or compromise in a sense.
Well, I also think, you know, there are a lot of people out there all the time that said that somebody like Epstein or Ghelain Maxwell were protected because they have a quote-unquote dead man's switch.
I talked about how that was utter fiction and we've never seen in real life any type of a dead man's switch deployed.
But have we seen people that might have blackmail or information on people keep that information to protect themselves?
And like you said, Bannon, you can say a lot of things about Steve Bannon.
Steve Bannon is not a stupid man.
He is a very intelligent guy.
He has been in the media narrative world for a very long time.
A lot of people don't know.
He has a past with Jared Kushner, in fact, of publishing Michael Moore's documentaries, including Sicko.
So he's been around the political game on all sides.
He's very well spoken.
And I can only implore Steve to do the right thing.
I get it, man.
We all want to protect ourselves.
You're part of the Trump administration.
You're absolutely a target.
The mainstream media has lied in excess about you and your agenda, but the public deserves to know.
We deserve to have the open source information, Johnny, so that we can do our investigations and get our leads.
Because, Steve, no matter how smart you are, you need help sifting through all the madness, no?
Yeah, yeah, it's completely true.
But I think that is something that if you think about it like that, so if Steve Bannon comes back and ends up representing, say, Trump in any way in a future run or another candidate on the Republican Party and he pushes forward, then at that point, when they're calling him a liar and stuff like that, that would be the best time to use that sort of ammunition.
That's the best time to bring out tapes where you say, you never told the truth about Epstein, but look, I can tell the truth about Epstein.
So this is what I mean by Steve Bannon.
Those decisions aren't just made for any one reason.
They're made for a selection of reasons that we will understand much later on, more likely.
We'll go, oh, well, of course, that's why it is.
But I don't think it'll be that long.
I think that in the next, I would believe that he's waiting for something to break in the case that makes people realize how much of a fit up it was.
And it's people like me on the independent media who are investigating it.
And eventually, this house of cards has come tumbling down.
We can see it.
So Bannon knows it fully well.
Well, I wonder if we'll see that before the 2024 elections.
We have to take one more break when we come back.
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It has been a riveting hour with Johnny Vedmore.
Newspaced.com is the website.
Johnny, we only have a few minutes left, but to sum up why your series is super important and why people should go over there, read it top to bottom, do their own research.
I know that's bad mainstream media.
I know that you don't think the general public can do that.
We encourage that here at AMP News.
Why should they?
And what have you got in store for them?
Well, let me tell you, if you don't want to go and read it all yourself, you can go to the website and have someone read it for you.
The first two episodes have been recorded already and up on the website on the homepage.
And there's also a newshound, which I go through the evidence, the actual source material bit by bit.
They're about two and a half to two and a half hours long.
I go through with some guys from the Schism podcast.
It is a load of fun as well.
We have a load of fun while we do it.
This series is massively important to understand.
And it'll take you on an adventure.
Okay, it'll start off in the 50s, and you'll be learning about a time and events that aren't necessarily related to Epstein all of the way through.
One of the events is, for instance, a kind of like a murder mystery type thing because very early on, Stan Pottinger's brother, David Forbes Pottinger, goes missing.
He fakes his own disappearance and he traffics a girl across state lines, a minor across state lines for sex.
So he did the same thing that Epstein would later do, and Stanley Pottinger stands on his doorstep and says, No, these girls are liars who are saying that he did that.
And then it turns out he did that.
So there's loads of mini stories in there too.
You'll go through the adventure of finding out everything about Stanley Pottinger through time, every single moment through his career.
You'll see, you'll learn the basis of events such as Watergate, the assassination of Martin Luther King.
Well, the cover-up of it.
You'll learn about Kent State Massacre.
You'll learn about Orlando Letelier and his assassination.
You'll learn about how the CIA works with the Justice Department in a way to undermine American democracy.
You'll learn about how, instead of pushing, really trying to find a peaceful arrangement at Wounded Knee, that Stan Pottinger and the Justice Department harassed people and took them to court, even though every court case was losing and continued to do that over years because that's the only way they could use and win and that's their tactics.
You'll learn about how Pottinger ended up going off to work in private enterprise with representing Mead and Occidental as a lawyer, Mead against Occidental Petroleum as a lawyer and chemical bank as well.
You'll learn about Iran-Contra and you'll learn about the October surprise and you'll learn about all of the things that happened in between, such as Pottinger in 1990 buying a house on Palm Beach in 616 Island Drive, and it's 500 meters away from Jeffrey Epstein's house that he bought two months before.
You'll learn that they lived 500 meters away from each other.
You'll learn that they shared an office together.
You'll learn that they ran arms in Iran-Contra and they were one degree of separation between them.
Then you'll go into the Epstein case and you'll start to understand what's really going on and what the case looks like.
Because the last one's called the Pottinger Ultimatum for a reason.
And that's really about the ultimatum that was put towards Jeffrey Epstein in 2005.
He knew he was going down.
And if he did not do anything, the consequence would be dire and he would be in jail forever.
What happened?
He ended up having an open-door jail sentence over the next 15 years for 12 months and then he was free for the rest of the time.
So he came out on top by co-opting the legal team of planning out right from the start.
You'll learn about how that happened.
And I hope to give people an understanding of really wild events, like how the opposition lawyer was meeting Jeffrey Epstein in the Starbucks in Boca Ratten for eight years previous.
You'll learn about information that you don't even know could potentially be true.
How could that be true?
That's such a conflict of interest.
Why would they allow it?
You'll discover that the case is built by people who are all on the same side.
And that side is about getting you down, about not giving you justice, about not giving you democracy.
It's not about them.
They've got all the wealth.
They've got all of the power.
It's about it taking away from you.
And that's emblematic throughout this series.
And there will be another episode eventually, a very important one, because this is part of the road to the takedown of Jeffrey Epstein.
So we're going to get to the cell eventually.
Mr. Vedmore, a pleasure as always.
If you've already read part one and two of One Nation Under Blackmail, I can assure you this new series is really just another level of that type of investigative journalism via the Epstein case.
Thank you so much for joining us.
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