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The Real RFK Jr. With Dick Russell | MSOM Ep. 770

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Conor McGregor Rape Allegations 00:07:11
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness Jam-Packed Show.
We've got New York Times best-selling author and the author of The Real RFK Jr. Trials of a Truth Warrior, Dick Russell with us.
And then we're going to break down the news with Chris Paul.
First, we're going to make sense of the madness of the latest Conor McGregor rape allegations after this.
Conor McGregor has been accused yet again of sexual assault.
But Jason, this is a news show that usually revolves around geopolitics.
Well, in my mind, this very much revolves around big business, narrative management, and how the world really works.
Unfortunately, Connor McGregor means a lot of money to entities not only like the UFC, but ESPN, which is Disney-owned, WME Entertainment, which is run by Ari Emmanuel, the brother of Rahm.
Everybody remembers him from the Obama administration, and worth a lot of money to a multitude of people in the alcohol industry as well with his proper 12 whiskey.
So what I wanted to do was take a step back and look at past allegations and evidence that is not being discussed either in the mainstream media or even the alternative media.
And quite frankly, I've seen some of these conservative pundits coming out in favor of McGregor saying that this is nothing more than a money grab.
And to try to illustrate that that may not be the case, I want to take everybody back to 2018 in December, where he was accused of an assault.
And one of the officers who was investigating the case said, at the end of the day, there is no doubt that this young lady suffered a horrendous ordeal.
The examinations and all of the evidence, which you'll later see, includes CCTV footage and eyewitness accounts, shows that she was raped and very badly assaulted in that penthouse suite.
And that headline comes right here where a woman is too afraid to give a statement on alleged rape of Irish sports star.
You see, she was so badly injured, she spent weeks in the hospital, and it took that long just to name McGregor.
Now, unfortunately, this was not the only case in which he had been accused of this.
In fact, he was previously accused of attacking another woman in recent months just prior.
Once again, this looks like a pattern.
And you can find out right here that there were reports of previous incidents, not just one, that happened also involving the sports star and members of his entourage in Ireland.
They said that these may also be revisited.
But here's the kick.
They never were revisited.
And what eventually happens when this woman actually makes the statement of this, well, McGregor goes in a month later and claims that it was actually consensual.
It is understood that during the interview, the suspect admitted he had sex with the woman, claiming it was consensual.
So let's take a full stop.
He had been accused of this before.
This is in 2018.
This woman is hospitalized, badly beaten, does not want to name her accuser.
And when the accused is brought in, he says that's consensual.
I've never had a sexual encounter with anybody in which anybody ended up in the hospital and then called it consensual because it wouldn't be consensual.
Continuing on, again, not in the mainstream media.
And in Ireland, you're not able to even name the person that's accused until they're convicted.
They have literally an 8% conviction rate on rape, one in 12.
I'll show you that in a moment.
But we had a TD on the parliamentary floor talking about this incident, talking about the Irish sports star strutting around with impunity, asking if women should take cover and just leave if they see such an individual.
Now, once again, if this was the only incident, perhaps, perhaps we could let it go.
But RTE was so disgusted with the behavior, and that's an international news network, they actually leaked this that McGregor was indeed the one that had been arrested and questioned.
And what no one will show you are these leaked WhatsApp messages between investigators and journalists.
Now, I warn people: what I'm about to read is extremely graphic, but it needs to be said because no mainstream outlet has dared to air these, and they are 100% legitimate.
He didn't use a condom.
He came inside her.
He left her covered in bruises, and she had throat injuries, which were consistent with someone held in a chokehold like the ones he applied in the ring.
His DNA was all over.
He tried to ride her vaginally and rammed her tampan up into her cervix so hard that she had to have it surgically removed.
Now, this obviously is a nightmarish scenario, and the woman rejected a payoff.
So, anyone who thought that this one was a money grab, no, she wanted a real conviction, couldn't even get them to charge him.
As again, about 8% of these cases, one in 12, actually result in convictions.
Now, this would not be the end for McGregor and his accusations.
Six months later, he would be investigated over a second sexual assault where he attacked a woman in a car outside a Dublin pub, allegedly.
He then flashed his private parts in yet another incident in a Corsica bar where he cornered the married woman at the bathroom with his security guards.
And we know the latest incident has to do with a bathroom and security guards as well.
Now, yet another woman who had claimed that she was physically attacked by McGregor on his boat was forced to jump out and broke her wrist, had to drop a lawsuit after her car had been firebombed, torched by arsonists.
Unbelievable, yet true.
And the lawyer for the latest victim says that this victim went to the police first and was told to lawyer up before making a report.
Egregious Acts Exposed 00:02:06
Folks, this should raise concerns of narrative management, of what?
A two-tiered justice system, and that justice is certainly not blind when people in power commit the most egregious of acts.
And somebody who's helped expose egregious acts by those in power, especially the United States government, is going to be joining us on the flip side of this break.
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We are back.
It is making sense of the madness.
And it is my pleasure to introduce investigative journalist, top-notch researcher, and author Dick Russell.
His latest book is The Real RFK Jr. Trials of a Truth Warrior.
Mr. Russell, it is a pleasure to have you with us.
Environmental Activism with RFK Jr. 00:10:39
How did you get involved in this project?
Thanks, Jason.
Good to be with you today.
Well, you know, I've known Bobby Kennedy for more than 20 years.
We started out working together on environmental activism.
I featured him in two books that I wrote on natural history called Eye of the Whale and then Striper Wars, an American Fish Story.
And we gradually got to know each other and became really good friends.
So that's the quick background.
He wrote the introduction to two of my books on climate change and the big energy titans that are responsible for what's going on and not and covering it up for many years.
And then I decided a little over a year ago that I should write his biography because the one thing I knew him really well, and I was very upset at what was going on with the mainstream media just vilifying him and accusing him all the time of being an anti-vaxxer and he's crazy and he's a conspiracy theorist.
And I just knew that wasn't true.
And I felt like it was time to put a picture out there of what he'd achieved in 40 years as an environmental lawyer, winning successfully many, many important cases, defeating Monsanto, DuPont, some of these big polluters and bringing the Hudson River back to life.
So I just set out to talk to him and interviewed him a number of times.
We saw each other on a regular basis and talked on the phone.
And he'd call me sometimes and say, hey, you got your tape recorder, let's put this in the biography.
Now, he didn't authorize it.
He didn't go, you know, write it with me.
I had freedom to say what I needed to say.
But I hope that it's going to interest a lot of readers because especially now, he's running for president of the United States.
That wasn't happening when I started writing it.
You know, that was my next question, whether there was an inkling of whether or not he would be running in the 2024 election.
Obviously, he has announced that run, and the polls show him really in the lead against most candidates, maybe even Trump.
Do you think that he's going to get the opportunity to be on the large-scale stage in any kind of a debate scenario?
And is that something that you've privately talked with him about after the release of the book?
Well, yeah, we've talked about it a bit, and he's hoping that, you know, they will let him in to debate Biden.
I think he would take Biden apart, frankly, because Bobby knows his stuff.
I mean, he studies the science behind What he says about public health and the environment and everything else he's talking about now.
But, you know, I know the Democrats do not want to bring him into a debate.
And I think with good reason on their part, because they're scared of him because this guy's out there telling the truth about things that nobody else is willing to address.
And he's got a big following and it's increasing a lot since he announced in April in Boston.
I was there and talked for two hours, by the way, without notes.
I mean, it was an incredible speech.
And little by little, he's been gaining momentum, even though most of the big media continues to attack him and marginalize him and say this guy is not telling the truth.
And the fact is, I know that on many, many different subjects, he is telling the truth, not just as he sees it, but as it exists.
And I think that's important.
You know, you mentioned the Hudson River story.
I grew up in the Hudson Valley, and I can tell you firsthand that he truly made a difference there.
For all those people out there that say you can't make a difference, you can't fight City Hall.
He's done it and he's done it successfully.
Can you speak to that case and what it was about and how it eventually led him to questioning the thimerosol in many of the vaccinations?
Well, you know, the one thing that he's talked about, and it's certainly true, is that he became familiar once he became an environmental lawyer and working for the Hudson Riverkeeper and the Natural Resources Defense Council.
First of all, there was the Hudson, and he mounted, you know, dozens of lawsuits against polluters there.
And now the Hudson's considered really one of the cleanest waterways in the country, and it used to be the dirtiest.
And he also then took on a lot of other environmental cases against Monsanto and against Smithfield Foods, pouring all this hog waste into the rivers in North Carolina and elsewhere.
And what he learned about was what's called regulatory capture in the sense that, you know, the EPA, which is supposed to be protecting our environment and protecting all the people and the animals and so on, you know, was really in bed with a lot of the pesticide manufacturers and the big oil polluters.
So he started learning about it there.
And then it carries over to his work on public health because that's when he didn't know much about it when he got into it.
It was back in 2005, which we can talk about if you want.
But, you know, he suddenly realized that the big pharmaceutical companies were equally bad in terms of their connections with the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control, you know, basically having captured these agencies to be able to do whatever the hell they wanted.
And so there is a definite carryover, as well as the science that he studied with the environmental stuff.
He then carried over to studying the science about public health and vaccines and what was going on with what Big Pharma was doing.
And that kind of brings us into the modern day in the COVID-19 4 nightmare.
He's the author of The Real Anthony Fauci.
You're the author of The Real RFK Jr.
How did that most recent time period play into your book?
Well, it was the period when he was really under attack and censored, unbelievably, especially by liberal media and by the Democratic Party, which made deals with Facebook and Instagram.
He was kicked off Instagram.
You know, he hasn't been allowed to write an op-ed or even a letter to the editor, you know, in more than 10 years once he started taking up the public health issue.
And, you know, I mean, that's really crazy that that's what he's an advocate for is free speech and the second, you know, the second, the First Amendment.
And there's nobody that's been, at least as a public figure like he, that's been as censored.
And so, you know, that's certainly once COVID happened and he began speaking out, calling for safe vaccines.
In other words, let's really test these untried mRNA vaccines and test them against a placebo and do this right if we're going to give them to millions of people.
And also, let's not ignore the fact that alternative therapeutic remedies like ivermectin or hydrochloroquine even, you know, have been shown to be effective against COVID-19.
So, but those kinds of treatments were marginalized completely, even attacked and put in the sidelines because everything was geared toward vaccine manufacture with Pfizer and Moderna.
So, you know, then they really went after him.
And that's what's been happening and is still happening.
But he's managing through doing a lot of podcasts, actually, and doing, you know, the other day he did Elon Musk and then he did Joe Rogan.
And he's reaching a lot of people that way with his message.
And it's a message that seems to be really resonating.
Well, it's undoubtable that he's on some of the biggest, most popular platforms, that he seems to be popular with the people.
And you just mentioned the suppression of therapies that worked for COVID-19, but were restricted and demonized because it was the shot or nothing.
I mean, there was no choices.
There was no natural immunity.
When you said hydroxychloroquine, I thought of Donald Trump because that is one of the things that he talked about.
Now, I'm wondering how you think he fares in an election against Donald Trump if Donald Trump does in fact get the nomination.
And then can you speak to the fact that, you know, he's basically discounted the possibility of a Trump RFK Jr. or an RFK Jr. Trump ticket or working in that administration because of the large divides in some of their other beliefs.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, no, I don't think he would run with Donald Trump.
I mean, you know, he's not a fan of Trump's.
He knows that Trump's done some things that he just totally disagrees with.
Not everything, but many, many things.
But I think he'd do very well because already there was a favorability poll that came out that The Economist magazine and an online, whatever they were, I forget, did, but very prominent poll a week or so ago that showed that Bobby Kennedy's favorability rating is actually higher among the people that were part of the poll, and there were quite a few, than either Trump or Biden.
So that indicates that, you know, the thing about him is that to me, Bobby's somebody who can reach across party lines.
I mean, yeah, he's running as a Democrat, calls himself a Kennedy Democrat, which is very different than the Democratic Party that we have in power today.
And, you know, he's somebody who's been able to work with Republicans, you know, so-called right-wingers and many different issues over the years.
And I write about that quite a bit in the book, that, you know, he had to forge alliances like in getting the watershed agreement to happen in New York, which protected the state's water supply and is still, you know, very effective.
He had to work with upstate farmers who at first thought he was really a bad guy, you know, and but he learned how to how to connect with them because he's even though he comes from obviously a wealthy background and a hugely famous family, but he's always had an affinity for people like commercial fishermen and farmers and able to connect with them in ways to get things done.
He got together with a guy who was also a Republican named Mark Bollinger in getting fracking outlawed in New York State because it was not a safe practice, hydraulic fracturing of natural gas.
And so I think on the issues he talks about, he doesn't make alliances based on our differences.
His campaign is called Heal the Divide.
And I think he's showing that he can bring a lot of people together, you know, libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, because they're all fighting for really a better country and a country where we've seen an alliance of corporate and state power that is really troubling and has resulted in pretty much the elimination of the middle class in this country as more and more people get richer and richer and the poor get poorer.
Cleveland Insurance Group's Mystery 00:04:48
And the poor are the people, or certainly the middle class too, are the people that he's going to fight for.
And so I'm hoping a lot of people realize that.
And I cite a lot of examples of it in my book.
Well, you know, you're talking about modern day fascism, perhaps the plutocracy, or what I refer to as the predator class.
You talked about that middle class that he's been able to garner support from because he's speaking almost like no other politician has.
He's the one guy pointing out the Defense Department relationship to these mRNA shots and the fact that DARPA really produced them.
And it was Pfizer and Moderna that slapped their label on them.
Do you get into that at all in the book?
A little bit.
I mean, I know quite a bit about it.
And, you know, I know that Moderna was a company, for example, that really came out of nowhere and they'd never even brought a product to market.
And suddenly they were getting a lot of funding from DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, I think is the official name for it.
$250 million grant back in 2013, I believe it was.
And, you know, when they became the favorite, of course, then they developed their vaccine with the National Institutes of Health, with Anthony Fauci's organization.
And while they were developing it, they had this whole deal going on with the lab in Wuhan, China, from which it's becoming more and more apparent the virus escaped back in 2019.
So, you know, something nefarious going on here?
I mean, I wouldn't say that necessarily, but I do know that, and Bobby points it out in his book, that Dr. Fauci, America's doctor that everybody lionizes, you know, made a concerted effort in 2020 to cover up the fact that there could have been anything but an animal origin for the virus.
Meantime, Moderna, you know, is making billions of dollars after almost being broke at the end of 2019.
So you got to wonder about some of these things and who's in bed with who in terms of the profit making here.
Well, Moderna was certainly a zombie company.
That grant was actually $25 million, followed up by many other grants after the fact.
And absolutely.
And you look at RFK Jr., he's also the only one that's talked about Event 201 and how they went by that playbook and it was pre-positioned in October of 2019.
He really is at the forefront of so many important issues that people like myself and others that feel politically homeless on both sides speaks to.
I want to talk about that aspect of the book and how it can appeal to both sides and possibly bring us together.
And then I also want to talk about previous work that you've done on government corruption.
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We are back.
It's Making Sense of the Madness, joined by author investigative journalist Dick Russell.
We're talking RFK Jr., Trials of a Truth Warrior.
And one of the things that I think he's been able to reach out to the general populace on is the fact that we've had mainstream media, Tucker Carlson in particular, start talking about the Central Intelligence Agency's involvement in the JFK assassination and alluding to that involvement also in his father's assassination.
And now RFK Jr. is not only openly talking about that, but he's also openly talking about the possibility of his own assassination by these agencies.
CIA's Role in JFK Assassination 00:14:45
Is any of that covered in this book?
Because I would imagine at least the deaths of his uncle and father had to come up.
Oh, yeah.
And I've got two chapters on how Bobby's attitude, what he came to realize about the assassinations of his uncle and his father changed over the years.
I mean, you can imagine at first he was like 15 years old when his father was killed, 10 when his, you know, or 11 when his uncle was JFK was killed.
And, you know, it was traumatic.
And for years, neither he nor the rest of the family wanted to go there.
You know, they couldn't watch the Zapruder film that showed what happened to his uncle.
I mean, it was really a terribly anguishing event, of course.
Then I think it was 2009, Bobby started reading.
He came upon a book called JFK and the Unspeakable.
And it began to change how he viewed things because it showed the forces behind his uncle's assassination.
And for the first time, Bobby began to really consider openly the fact that the CIA and the mafia and the Cuban exiles had gotten together to pull this off.
I should add that, you know, I wrote a whole book about this.
My first book in 1992 was called The Man Who Knew Too Much, which is sort of a tome or a result of a multi-year investigation I did in the 1970s into who killed JFK.
Then I came out with another book called On the Trail of the JFK Assassins about the same subject and did one with Jesse Ventura after that.
Interestingly, I guess, I mean, I never talked about this with Bobby for years, even though we'd become good friends.
I didn't feel comfortable bringing it up.
I didn't know how he felt about it.
Our work was really around the environment.
But once we did start talking about it in 2013, which was the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination, he wanted to know what I knew.
We talked about it a lot.
And since then, he's done further research, and so have I, also into his father's assassination.
And I guess, you know, it's an amazing thing.
I mean, he, I write about it in the biography, he went to actually visit Sirhan Sirhan, the accused assassin of his father, in prison a couple of years ago.
Nobody really knew he was doing it except at the time.
His wife was there, Cheryl Hines, in the car, giving moral support.
And he went in and spent several hours with Sirhan and came away already.
He already knew about this, but he came away with an even stronger belief.
Sirhan told him directly, he said, you know, I have no memory at all of walking into the pantry that night and firing those shots.
Now, Bobby knew that none of those shots hit his father because he was a close friend of Paul Schrades, who was in the pantry, who was shot that night.
All of those bullets were fired from the front of RFK after the California primary that he'd won.
And he was killed with a shot from behind, at least one.
And Sirhan didn't have, you know, Siran, there were 13 bullets that were found either in the wall of the pantry or somewhere that night.
You know, Sirhan did hit a number of several people, but he didn't hit Robert Kennedy.
And was he conditioned to do this?
I'm going to say he was.
I mean, my investigation revealed that there was a program the CIA had called MKUltra, which was an effort to control human behavior through using hypnosis and drugs and even to create assassins.
As early as 1954, there was an existing memo about that.
Most all those files were destroyed in 1973 by the CIA.
But hey, we know that they did that program, as did the military, and that they were perfectly capable, people were, of using hypnosis to trigger or program Sirhan to go in and fire shots and become the Patsy in this situation, as Oswald had been during the JFK assassination.
So we can talk more about that if you want.
But go ahead.
Well, I'm so glad you brought up MKUltra because people have tried to relegate mind control to the idea of science fiction when there were even precursors to that called Bluebird and Artichoke.
And I know that you've done extensive work, not only in that field of mind-controlled assassins, but as you said, the JFK assassination and beyond that, working with Ventura on three books, American Conspiracies, 63 documents the government doesn't want you to know, and they killed our president.
What would be one of the more shocking conspiracy theories, quote unquote, that you were unaware of and in your research found to be true?
Wow.
Well, there's several of them, but, you know, I think 9-11 is one.
And I don't know how far it went, but I know certainly that the Bush administration was well aware that something was being planned.
And there's a lot of physical evidence about strangeness.
You know, was there a controlled demolition inside those towers as well as the planes hitting them?
That's one, for example.
Another one that comes immediately to mind was Jonestown, the terrible incident back in 1979 where the followers of Jim Jones, this cult leader in Guyana, all killed themselves, 900 people.
And there's a lot of evidence that Jones had been connected to the CIA and to this MKUltra program.
So that's two that come to mind.
And the book goes into depth on a lot of things, you know, everything from, I mean, I think it should be pointed out that the term conspiracy theorist, and if people want to call me that, fine.
But, you know, it originated with the CIA in 1967.
And it came up because they were already looking to how could they target people that were questioning what happened at the JFK assassination and questioning the Warren report, which we now know and later the House Select Committee on Assassination certainly concluded was a sham in the sense that it was a conspiracy.
The Warren Commission claimed there wasn't, that Oswald did this all by himself.
And I worked on this for years.
And I know that there was a, I'm not saying it was the CIA per se, the hierarchy of the CIA, but certainly a group of a rogue element of the CIA worked closely with the mob and the Cubans and right-wing individuals to basically stage a coup d'état on November 22nd, 1963.
And, you know, I don't think the country's ever recovered from that.
It's been a creeping decay ever since, in my view.
And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
I mean, I've studied this stuff up and down.
Well, I don't think you're a conspiracy theorist at all.
All these things I'm actually aware of.
And I'm so glad that you brought up Jonestown because there's this mythos surrounding Kool-Aid.
Number one, it was an off-brand.
Number two, most people really didn't drink it.
And there were large reports of people being shot and that being basically a factory for mind control.
Like you said, connections to the Central Intelligence Agency, the FBI, etc.
You also have a large section on your website, dickrussell.org, on the JFK assassination, and in particular, the files that were released in 2018.
Were there any files that you found significant in that release?
I think there were some, but I think the main thing is that they've never released the key files, which show that the CIA had a relationship with Oswald, certainly in New Orleans, around the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.
Yeah, and there's a big lawsuit that was filed by Jefferson Morley, a journalist who's done a couple of books on this subject, a very good journalist.
And he is trying to get files out of the CIA about this guy named George Joanites, who was working with the Cuban exiles and likely with Oswald during that period in 1963.
But the CIA is still terrified of having any kind of relationship with Oswald revealed.
And I think probably what happened is that, and that's a speculation on my part, but that the assassination itself was hijacked by a group within the CIA that knew that another part of the CIA had involvement with Oswald.
And that group knew that the assassination could well be blamed on them, even though they didn't have anything to do with it.
And there's, you know, some interesting circumstantial evidence that points to that.
So, you know, as I say, I think it was not only a terrible tragedy, but I was a kid back then.
I was in high school when it happened and didn't really, I wasn't very political for a few years after that.
But once I started digging into it, writing articles for the Village Voice and other places in the 1970s and interviewing lots of people, including James Angleton, the head of counterintelligence for the CIA and various, you know, nefarious characters, that I came to realize that there was a lot more to this than met the eye.
And anyway, the book's still out there if people are interested in it.
And there's a podcast happening now that I'm working on with Rob Reiner and Solidad O'Brien about the Kennedy assassination, which will be airing this fall for the 60th anniversary.
Well, that's super interesting to me.
You know, I looked at those documents and probably I would say the stuff that was most important to me was there were more revelations on the FBI agent Warren C. Debru and his relationship with Oswald.
And he had been accused of being Oswald's handler back in the day on a CBS two-part investigation.
So, you know, for me, I was happy to see them.
But like you said, I want all of these documents declassified as they should have been years ago.
I'm wondering, is that a platform for RFK Jr.?
Will he fully declassify these documents if he's in office?
Oh, I'm sure he would.
You know, he's talking openly about this now and what he's come to about the CIA's involvement.
And, oh, yeah, I think that's another reason that they're afraid of him.
But I should add that since you mentioned it, you know, he's got really good security and he knows that there could be threats against him.
I don't think there have been that I've heard about, but he's taking precautions as he should because he's dangerous to the status quo and the folks that are running the show.
He certainly is.
We've got to take one more break before letting Dick Russell go.
I can't wait to talk to him on the other side about what he expects for 2024.
The book is the real RFK Jr. Trials of a Truth Warrior.
Go get it and go check out dickrussell.org.
It's making sense of the madness.
What should people know about that whole blow up with Project Veritas?
I read a few people wrong and that's my fault, but I learned from that and I think I'll be a more effective messenger as a result of that.
That'll free me up to do the next chapter, the next stage of my evolution, which is OMG, which is decentralizing journalism.
Sometimes thinks that for a reason.
That's my goal.
That's my mission.
And I didn't ask for that mission.
I never thought that would be my mission.
It just has become my mission.
And I'm excited about it.
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We are back with author and investigative journalist Dick Russell.
Dick, let's talk about 2024, RFK Jr., and whether or not he can actually get the nomination.
Joe Biden has said that he intends to run in 2024.
A lot of people don't think that that's a possibility because of his aging and obvious furthering dementia.
Let's be honest.
We've never had a puppet of this sort in office, but that doesn't mean the DNC doesn't give him the nomination.
How does RFK Jr. think that he will be able to navigate that and get the nomination?
And if he doesn't get the nomination, will he run as an independent?
Well, I think he's, even though Biden won't enter the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary, Bobby's campaigning in those states and he's going to be on the ballot.
And I think we'll see what Biden does, but I think Bobby is very likely to get substantial support in both those places, which then leads to South Carolina, where Biden, of course, is campaigning and making the first primary, which the DNC has switched all these things around.
And New Hampshire is really upset about that.
They've always been the first primary, and Bobby's going to be in it, and he's spending a lot of time there.
So that is certainly what he's going to do first.
I don't honestly know.
I can't speak for him.
I know he's loyal to the fact that his family has always been Democrats.
He feels he's a Kennedy Democrat, which means he's somebody who's going to get out there and try to forge a peace, for example, in the whole Ukraine conflict, because he sees the backstory on it.
He's been talking about it.
Not that he thinks Putin's a good guy.
He can't stand Putin either, but he can see, in a sense, the justification because all of these NATO countries are now right on their border.
And that was a promise that the U.S. government made to Gorbachev, I think, that we would never do.
So, you know, there is precedent for a reason that Putin made this invasion.
But, you know, we've seen 300 and some thousand young Ukrainians killed in this conflict and a lot of Russians.
And Bobby says, you know, we've got to have some kind of peace solution here.
And also sees that it's a lot of the neocons who are in charge, just as they were with the Iraq war, drumming up this whole fake weapons of mass destruction thing.
So I think what'll happen is we'll see, I mean, it's a year away, the convention.
I think Bobby's going to have increasing support prior to that.
And whether he would run as an independent, I can't really say.
I would actually hope he would, because I think that even as an independent, which has always been, even when Ross Perot ran, I guess, against Bush some years back, he got 20-some percent of the vote.
But I think Bobby would do better than that and might really challenge the whole system to look at a third-party candidate.
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And so it was talked about years ago with Jesse Ventura.
I introduced the two of them back in 2006.
It's kind of a crazy story.
It was in Mexico, and Bobby had asked me to go on a fishing trip with him.
And Ventura was, I was working on his memoir with him, and he was living just down the road from where I was writing in southern Baja.
And so the two of them liked to dive and they went diving together.
And at the end of that day, Ventura suddenly looked at him and said, Do you want to run the country?
This was after he was governor, right?
But he was still a pretty prominent person.
And Bobby was like, Yeah, stood up and, you know, he was kind of shocked by the ask, right?
But Ventura said, then quit the Democratic Party and run with me.
Bobby said, well, I can't do that.
I'm a Democrat.
Ventura said, well, you know, your uncle was a Democrat.
Your father, these were great Democrats, but it's time for something new.
You know, we've got to have a third party in this country, an independent run.
Well, it didn't happen.
And that was 2006 before Obama came in.
And back then, it was Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, I think.
So, you know, who knows?
It might have even worked back then.
But we'll see.
I mean, I've talked to Jesse recently, and he's still kind of interested, too.
So we'll see what happens.
Isn't he always?
He's been hinting several times about running for president.
I was lucky enough to meet Jesse some years ago with Willie Nelson, of all people, and spend the day with him.
So it was a really good time.
I'm enjoying the fact that those two have connected.
I would hope that he would run as an independent because they couldn't even give the nomination to Bernie Sanders.
They cheated Bernie twice.
The DNC, just like the RNC, in my opinion, is a corrupt organization.
We do need something new.
Whether or not an independent can win, I guess, is another story.
You know, you mentioned Ukraine, another reason to really respect this guy.
No one's talking about the hundreds of thousands dead.
And this man's son served in the military fighting the Russians with Ukraine, yet he still has the perspective that I don't want World War II, or I'm sorry, World War III, and what NATO is doing is very different from what's being talked about in the mainstream media.
For a guy like me that is tuned in, that has followed this guy's career.
What's going to surprise me about your book, The Real RFK Jr.
I think it's just going to be the continuity, the fact that, and also the fact that Bobby's been through so much in his life.
I mean, you can imagine the trauma that occurred after his father died.
And he spent a lot of years, you know, suffering from that.
He went off and rode freight trains around the country with bums for a while.
He was an admitted addict who got sober, as he calls it, back in 1983.
He's been in AA ever since and helped hundreds of people through their own trials and tribulations.
And I think in that sense, too, he's somebody who's been there.
He's willing to speak about it.
Look at the opioid crisis we have and all the kids that are dying of fentanyl.
I think he can address that in a way that would help a lot of people.
That might be a surprise to people.
I don't know.
But, you know, it's also then once he sank his teeth into something, no matter what it was, I mean, he was not going to be dissuaded.
If he believed it was right, he was going to go for it.
Even if it cost him, I mean, this whole, you know, public health crusade has cost him dearly in terms of livelihood.
I mean, he no longer is invited to speak at all these places in terms of his ability to reach people with conventional media.
He's been censored like crazy, as we know.
And he's lost a lot of friends and even family members have turned against him, feeling like he shouldn't be out there talking about these things, shouldn't be talking about Sirhan, shouldn't be, you know, defending his cousin Michael Scakle from a false murder charge, which is also written about in the book.
Shouldn't be going to jail for an act of civil disobedience in Puerto Rico back in 2001.
I mean, he's done all these things.
And, you know, I write about it at length in the book to give a picture of a guy who I think embodies the moral courage that his father talked about.
And he's come a long way in his own path.
And he's a deeply spiritual guy in that sense, not conventionally, but truly, you know, from the inside.
Well, I believe he is somebody that speaks to both sides of the aisle, is saying things that nobody else is saying.
And I really hope that this book takes off, becomes a New York Times bestseller.
Are you questioning whether that can happen in today's environment?
Because the New York Times recently has been taking people off the bestsellers list or just acting like their books don't exist.
Does this thing have a chance?
I don't know.
You know, what they did with the real Anthony Fauci was they couldn't ignore it completely.
Let's talk about the Times book review, right?
And so it got as high as number seven, I think, for a couple of weeks.
In fact, for sure, it was the number one best-selling book in the country for some weeks in a row.
I mean, there was just no denying it.
And I mean, the book sold a million copies on word of mouth, basically.
There were no reviews.
The Times wouldn't rate it as high as they should have.
So I don't know what they'll do with mine.
I mean, I'm hoping, obviously, people pay attention to it.
But again, it might be, you know, sort of an underground thing where people who want to know about this guy and the truth about him that they're not getting in the mainstream media will actually read and get something out of and realize who he is.
That's what I'm hoping.
And the real Anthony Fauci also ended up with a companion documentary that went viral as well and was completely ignored by the mainstream media.
Dick Russell, what would you like to end with for my audience?
I guess just that, you know, I've been talking to people.
I've always considered myself a quote liberal Democrat, but, you know, I've been talking to people now, as Bobby has, because I'm out there talking about the book and talking about him and a friendship that I deeply value and somebody I have great respect for.
And I'm finding that people on both sides of the aisle, you know, can talk to each other.
I mean, I'm really enjoying my conversations with so-called, you know, right-wing pundits that I've always been told to stay away from.
So, you know, that's one thing I'd like to leave people with.
That I think we're all in this together.
We're all fighting for a better country for our children and future generations.
And we're in a terrible crisis right now where it's even questionable whether democracy is going to survive this period.
We're so divided.
And so let's come together and get behind somebody who's going to really create positive change in this country.
Well, Mr. Russell, I got to say, I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
You are well versed in a plethora of very important issues.
And this book, The Real RFK Jr., is yet another one of those important endeavors.
Sir, we will be back after this talking Bill Barr, RFK Jr., Peter Hotez, Joe Rogan, and more with Chris Paul.
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Do you believe he lied to the Justice Department?
Do I personally believe it?
Yes, I do.
Do you believe that he continues to claim that he has all these privileges and rights under the Presidential Records Act?
Is he mischaracterizing the act?
Absolutely.
The legal theory by which he gets to take battle plans and sensitive national security information as his personal papers is absurd.
It's just as wacky as the legal doctrine they came up with for having the vice president unilaterally determine who won the election.
The whole purpose of the statute, the Presidential Records Act, was to stop presidents from taking official documents out of the White House.
It was passed after Watergate.
That's the whole purpose of it.
And therefore, it restricted what a president can take.
It says it's purely private.
It had nothing to do with the deliberations of government policy.
Obviously, these documents are not purely private.
It's obvious.
And they're not even now arguing that it's purely private.
What they're saying is the president just has sweeping discretion to say they are, even though they squarely don't fall within the definition.
It's an absurd argument.
Bill Barr shooting daggers at Trump.
No surprises here.
And he also throws in the Mike Pence couldn't decide the election.
That's not what it was about.
It was about certifying the election and having an audit to discuss this and much more is AMP contributor Chris Paul.
Chris, what are your thoughts on that latest Bill Barr video?
Well, you know, I agree with the surface level interpretation.
Always, I think it's important to look at the surface level interpretation and consider what that says about the person delivering the message.
So that said, then I want to look at what else he might be, what else he might mean there.
And the reason I think about that is because, you know, I look at everything that's happening now with this Trump indictment, and it seems to me that we have a series of precedents being set that we will need in the future in order to prosecute the people who have actually committed crimes against this nation and against humanity in our representative government over the last 40 years, or truthfully, quite a lot longer.
But I think that Bill Barr is making some points that will help in the sense of precedent in the future, right?
The key with the Trump thing is that nobody knows what these documents are.
Nobody's seen these documents.
There is a very strong chance that Bill Barr can actually be saying the truth in his legal theory here, and that will come around to bite someone in the future.
But it very likely is not Donald Trump.
And to suggest that Donald Trump is going to be guilty of this for some reason from his misreading of the Presidential Records Act, well, that doesn't get you all the way to the Espionage Act either, because that requires intent and it requires communicating this privileged national security information to foreign adversaries generally for money.
And there's no proof that Donald Trump has done any of that.
So this stuff doesn't worry me too much, to be honest.
So shifting gears to his possible opponent, RFK Jr., we just spent the vast majority of the program discussing him.
He recently went super mega viral on the Joe Rogan podcast for a number of reasons.
But one of those reasons was challenging Peter Hotez to a vaccination debate that soon heated up on Twitter, where Joe Rogan said he would put up $100,000 to the charity of Hotez's choosing, should he come in and debate RFK Jr. on that subject.
And then people started piling on, offering even more money, Chris.
Yeah, it's been a very interesting weekend.
You know, first, I would say I don't suspect that there's a world where RFK Jr. and Trump are actually opponents.
I think it's actually far more likely that they end up on the same ticket than them ever being opponents, because I don't see any way in the world that even if Trump is able to defeat the RNC machine against him, that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would have the same luck in the Democrat Party.
I think that they will rig and steal the primaries from him.
And I think that that's going to wake Democrats up to the problem of stolen elections in our country.
As far as Hotez goes, though, RFK Jr. laid it down on the Joe Rogan show the other day.
He said a lot of things, not only about the vaccine, but about other technologies and other things very present in our world that he thinks are leading to negative health consequences.
A lot of people piled on and called him a conspiracy theorist.
Peter Hotez, I guess, retweeted an article from Vice, if I'm not mistaken, going after Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for his statements about the vaccine.
And then Rogan jumped on and was like, hey, man, come on and debate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I'll be there to moderate.
We'll give you as much time as you want to make your case, to talk about how great vaccines are.
And Hotez immediately backed down and tried to distract people, tried to make excuses, tried to play the victim in case after case.
He tried to say that Joe Rogan's $100,000 to a charity wasn't nearly enough.
So now I think that the pot is up to, I think last night I saw $1.52 million.
It could be even higher than that.
People want to see this debate.
And what does that mean?
Today on my show, I'm talking about how the seals are broken now.
And I think the seals are broken on a lot of levels.
And I think that this is one of them.
This weekend has changed the discussion about the vaccines irreparably.
This thing is basically toast.
You know, the idea that one of the lead vaccine shills and big pharma shills in the world is afraid of debating a conspiracy theorist on Joe Rogan's podcast, the biggest platform he could possibly get to tell the public about the good of the vaccine.
I mean, he'd be talking right to the vaccine hesitant, the vaccine skeptical, the anti-vax, listening to Joe Rogan's show, and he won't do it.
So what does that tell you about the underlying claims?
And not only that, but let's not forget Hotez was featured on the Joe Rogan podcast in the early days of the COVID 1984 nightmare and basically was given carte blanche to say whatever he wanted and spread the Bernesian talking points of alone together, safe and effective, herd immunity due to the mRNA.
I mean, he went through all of it.
He got his time in the sun and now he won't face the music.
And I don't believe that the mainstream media is ever going to hold him accountable.
Obviously, the alternative media is trying to hold him accountable.
Rogan being a part of that.
Does this thing have to be $10 million before he can't ignore it?
And if it gets to 10, do you think he takes the debate?
I don't think that he takes the debate under any circumstances at this point because he knows how it's going to go.
I mean, this is already bad enough.
And to actually do the debate would make it even that much worse.
People in the public, in the general public, people who didn't want to wake up during COVID, right?
People who wore the mask, people who got the vaccine, maybe even people who got the booster, those people are now seeing one of the key proponents of the entire pharma vaccine regime unwilling and unable to debate a person who's been called a crazy person and a conspiracy theorist by those people wearing masks.
So, you know, that's the sort of thing that if there are still reasonable people out there who want to kind of redeem themselves and the things that they've said and thought and done and the way they've treated people over the past few years, this is one of those moments where they have the opportunity to wake up and say enough is enough.
And I think this last week on a number of fronts is giving people the opportunity to do that finally.
So then the question is, should Trump jump on this issue?
You know, he's been known to throw his hat into the mix on social media when things like this go viral.
Obviously, he has still been unapologetic about the shots and Operation Warp Speed.
Does this allot him an opportunity to start questioning those shots?
Yeah, I don't see any benefit and I haven't seen any benefit in honestly two years of Trump coming out against the vaccine.
If he had done it early, when it mattered, right?
When it mattered, he would have been called an anti-science, anti-vax conspiracy theorist.
They would have claimed that it was his vaccine that he was then bemoaning because Joe Biden was a proponent of it.
They have been trying for this entire time to pin Trump to that vaccine.
All Trump did was start Operation Warp Speed to deal with things.
That actually delegated a lot of the authority.
And there's no way that Trump would have ever mandated the vaccine.
The vaccine got people out of lockdowns.
The idea that people wearing two masks were going to be proponents of going back to normal and allowing businesses to open, et cetera, without a vaccine, that just doesn't fly.
So there's no good that can come from Trump attaching himself to the vaccine.
He's not responsible for what is in that shot.
He's not responsible for the mandates.
He's not responsible for anyone taking it.
And no one is currently taking that shot because Donald Trump says it's good.
No one ever has.
People had their own decisions to make.
Many of them decided to get it.
A lot of them now want to blame it on Donald Trump, especially the Ron DeSantis supporters, but it's never going to work.
Donald Trump is synonymous with anti-vax.
They did that.
That's the narrative they constructed, and they're not going to be able to unwind it.
Well, Chris, as always, it has been a pleasure.
The Be a Reasonable podcast is where you can find him.
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