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May 20, 2023 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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January 6th Uncovered With Alicia Powe
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Hey everybody! Jason Burmus here and welcome to the Red Voice Media Interview Series.
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And with today's verdict on the Proud Boys, hot off the presses, you guys are probably going to see this a couple days later, where four of these five people have now been found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
And this seditious conspiracy charge is one that has not been used since the Civil War.
Let me repeat that.
Since the Civil War.
Now, they faced a multitude of other charges.
I've always said, look, you broke the law, you destroyed some property, charge them with that.
You assaulted somebody, okay, charge them with that.
But there was no sedition.
There was no conspiracy.
I was on the scene of the Capitol.
A lot of you guys joined me on that journey.
And unfortunately, from the outset, and especially since we had the Stuart Rhodes Oath Keepers case as kind of a blueprint or example...
I said there was really no possibility that they wouldn't be found guilty, but if they weren't, maybe you could get a mistrial and a change of venue.
Now, the appeals are still out there.
But to really break this down is somebody who has been on the ground floor of this case since its inception, has written many articles for the Gateway Pundit, has met with many of these people in person that are now facing 20 years plus.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
It's unfortunate. And really, somebody I consider to really be an expert on the subject.
Her name is Alicia Powell.
You may know her from her contributions here at Red Voice Media.
Alicia, obviously not the verdict that we wanted today.
What are your initial thoughts?
Well, January 6th is...
Yeah, I was on the ground floor at the courthouse.
January 6th is the ground zero of the New World Order Communist takeover of America.
And I have never witnessed so much brazen lies fabrication.
Even the judge, in many instances, allowing the government to obfuscate very relevant evidence to this case that completely exonerates the defendants.
For example, there were numerous, at least eight that we know of, but probably dozens
of confidential human sources who embedded themselves in patriot groups, Second Amendment
groups, any groups that supported Donald Trump, the feds went out and went undercover to try
to acquire evidence and frame these guys.
This is a sole on our First Amendment, our Second Amendment.
The precedent being set here is chilling all across for all of us.
On top of the fact that you're seeing these guys, like you said, Enrique Tarrio wasn't at the Capitol that day.
And yet he's convicted of seditious conspiracy and obstruction of a legal official proceeding.
Pushing down offense is one of the charges.
They all face about 10 counts.
The conspiracy charges are three counts.
And what's interesting is Judge Kelly, Judge Timothy Kelly, the judge presiding over the case, who's a Trump-appointed magistrate, has changed the definition of sedition conspiracy versus what it was defined as in the Oath Keepers trial.
So they're facing three counts of conspiracy.
And all of a sudden, the threshold for what qualifies as seditious conspiracy is so low that it's just a setup for them to be convicted.
And there's so many ways where the judge, the prosecutors, and the jury, it was doomed from the start.
It was doomed from the start.
We can walk through the jury selection process where you had 92% voting base that's being vetted as jurors.
And during trial, you had the jurors say, admit that they were attendees of the Women's March, attendees of, they support Antifa, Black Lives Matter.
They were at the rallies and burning, you know, the Black Lives Matter rallies where they were burning down state capitals, state buildings.
All throughout the summer. Those were the people comprised of the jury.
And the jurors were all masked throughout the whole trial.
No one even knows what they look like.
They took the stand mask.
They ended masks.
And all day they're wearing the carcinogenic dirt rags across their faces.
And along with the government prosecutors, they're also masked.
And to the moment the jurors walk out of the room, then they...
They go start grasping for air.
Like, what is this charade?
It really is, symbolizes and represents everything that J6 is, a complete fabrication, just like COVID, just like all of it.
Jason, there's a lot to explain about what happened on this trial.
It's been going on for four months, the longest of any J6 trial, and we were all shocked, all shell-shocked today when they came back with no acquittals and convicted these guys of everything.
So let's break some of this down.
Let's start with what you just talked about, with kind of the dystopic LARPing that goes on in the courtroom where everybody is still masked three years later, where once again you can't really be charged with Or I'm sorry, tried by a jury of your peers in that region because the jury pool is infected with this idea that the Proud Boys are domestic terrorists.
They're extremists.
They're white supremacists.
Even though everybody could take a look here, I don't know.
You tell me, Alicia, does Enrique look very white to you?
That's not the whitest guy I've ever seen.
And then we get...
To the point that these conspiracy charges are of a Civil War era and obviously never would be intended to be used, especially in this situation where there was no sedition, where there was no conspiracy to commit that sedition.
But what it did remind me of...
Is the way that the Obama administration took the Logan Act and resurrected that to go after Michael Flynn.
And there were plenty of other times where you could possibly use that, but they directed them.
It's a lawfare situation.
So let's start...
With Enrique Atario, because his conviction is probably the most egregious because he wasn't even able to be near the Capitol during this because he was already detained, what was it, two days before January 6th or was it on the 5th?
On January 4th, he was arrested and I think released shortly after for burning a Black Lives Matter flag.
Now, let's not forget how the radical left, the government minions, burn American flags and all kinds of flags.
I've been there. Watching them burn flags and really just attack anybody that anytime they can set the American flag around, they want to attack you.
And they don't even know why they're there half of the time.
So Enrique wasn't there, but Enrique is the mastermind of the plot of the Of the seditious conspiracy because he's a leader of the Proud Boys and we all know we're all white supremacists here because we speak the truth.
Anybody that speaks the truth is a radical right-wing national domestic terrorist.
And a white supremacist.
So we can see through text messages.
The prosecutors scoured through over 500,000 text exchanges, communications on Parler and Telegram, and the best that they came up with to show a seditious conspiracy Is the Proud Boys trash-talking Antifa, sometimes saying I want to beat Antifa up or beat the shit out of them when we get there or something like that.
That's the seditious conspiracy.
What does that actually have to do with what happened on January 6th?
The plan for the Proud Boys on January 6th was to...
First of all, they were at a hot dog stand eating tacos, taking a rest before they walked to the Capitol where Donald Trump told them to meet him.
And by the way, let me just say this, everybody.
You know, I was at the Ellipse and I was actually walking towards my car when I got the call that things were going on and I had to go there.
But there were plenty of vendors there because, as I've stated before, the vast majority of the atmosphere was one of a concert.
You know, there obviously were no problems in the crowd at the Ellipse or if you went in to see Donald Trump or you couldn't have a backpack or even a selfie stick.
And then the march up there, completely peaceful.
And... Sure, there was some violence there, but there was no plan for that violence.
There was no plan to take over the government.
And there was no violence committed by Enrique Etario and the vast majority of these people, especially because he wasn't there, Alicia.
But please, take us back to them getting food at a hot dog stand, everybody.
And just so everyone knows, I'm big on the meat trucks while I'm out at these things.
I stop at those things all the time.
They give it a little bit more of a festive atmosphere.
That's all I'm saying, Alicia. Well, I... All the precedents being set here makes me fearful that you're even saying on a live broadcast that you were at January 6th.
We all know Merrick Garland's gonna go after everybody who was there that day.
That's what he said.
Even if you weren't there, you might be subject to this probe.
Well, you know what? All I'll say is this.
You know, they're not going to arrest the Getty Images reporter who was 15 feet away from me with a mask and a camera.
They're not going to arrest the AP reporter and her cameraman both masked up.
It's so ludicrous because, you know, we're still talking about the masks years later.
But when you're in a crowd of literally thousands of people, and, you know, it's concert-like.
People were touching each other.
We're outside the Capitol.
And you're sitting there LARPing, taking pictures and video with a mascot like that's protecting you from anything?
It's out of control. It shows...
Well, what about the judges who sit there and let the jurors be masked all day and let the prosecutors...
Why is it Judge Kelly?
Why is it as soon as the jurors leave the room, the COVID stops existing?
It's the same old psychological torture that we've been living through.
Oh, really? If we stand over here on that little sticker, then all of a sudden...
We're safe from getting COVID. The air stops and starts again.
And that's indicative of this whole...
It's just representative again of all this whole January 6th lie narrative that's been conspired by the federal government, by the Democrat Party, whoever the force is at being evil, pure evil.
So now we're looking at...
So they go from the hot dog stand.
They think they're going to go to a concert after...
And Ethan Nordean, one of the defendants, wants to go back to the hotel already, according to all of his text exchanges.
And instead, they walk over to the Capitol.
And some people breach the first gate.
Ethan Nordean and Joe Biggs were around that part, but there's no evidence that shows they pushed it.
Let's keep in mind, in some instances, Capitol Hill police officers were waving people into the Capitol, holding the doors open.
But what happens in the section where Ethan Nordean and Joe Biggs were, in Dominic Pozzolla, the police start shooting sting balls.
I don't know what sting balls are.
People thought they were flash grenades.
Turns out there were sting balls at people's faces while the police were on an incline.
They started shooting at people.
Not to mention there were at least five people killed that day.
At least four people killed that day.
And the police were beating old people up.
You've got other J6ers in the D.C. detention center who were trying to save Roseanne Boylan's life.
Another guy, Matthew Kroll, Saw the police beating an old lady up, decided to help, and now he's sitting there facing God knows how long of being denied due process and like a decade in prison.
So at what point, and then we just saw the outrage over George Floyd months prior.
Well, where's the outrage now amongst the supporters of Antifa against the police?
There is none.
It's complete hypocrisy.
So Enrique wasn't there.
Joe Biggs walked into the Capitol for 20 minutes, 25 minutes approximately.
One time to use the bathroom and one time to help someone find his son.
Dominic Cazola was a member of the Proud Boys for 30 days.
And he didn't even know the other defendants until they were on stand together.
So where's the conspiracy?
Pozzolo was the only one that wasn't charged with seditious conspiracy, but he broke a window that day.
And he had a police shield in his hand that he was using to...
Not get hit in the face with a sting ball like other people were.
So the evidence exhibited during trial, the surveillance footage from that day shows Pizzola on his back in this massive crowd for at least 10 minutes.
And so he grabbed, then the one police officer was adjusting his belt and had his shield on the floor.
Pizzola grabs it.
And then he's an infantry Marine.
These are veterans. Joel Biggs has three Purple Hearts.
Zachary Rail is an Army veteran.
Dominic Cozzola is an infantry man in the Marine Corps.
And so they're trained to go towards combat, not run away, especially when you see innocent people getting assaulted.
And so after that, he's in a flight or fleet mode, kind of bewildered and breaks the window,
goes into the Capitol and goes home.
So that sums up what happened that day as far as the seditious conspiracy with the Proud Boys.
It's a new level of psychological torture to me.
I've never witnessed anything like this in my entire life.
Being at that trial every day and watching the government lie and watching the judge allow the government to withhold evidence and obstruct justice.
Well, let's talk about that, too, because Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman, and really one of the big faces of this whole event that was thrown out in the media, was able to get out of the halfway house after his conviction, which is only six years, obviously not connected to the Proud Boys, etc., and maybe not a target of what they would have liked.
And when I say they, there was an establishment plan, in my opinion, that To obviously make Trump supporters look bad.
Or, in the case of the pipe bomber, that still hasn't been caught by the way, you had these pipe bombs everywhere January 5th and no one got arrested.
Don't tell me there's not something else going on there.
But with Chancely in particular, after the footage was released to the public, He immediately got put in a halfway house because the court of public opinion immediately swayed and it got big interest.
I think, number one, in order for Biggs or any of these other guys to have a chance, something like that has to happen.
But the big question is, can that even happen when someone like Enrique isn't even there, Alicia?
I don't know what it's going to take to happen.
There's a lot of things that need reform in this country.
While going to the trial, traveling about 90 minutes away from where I live every day, having to sit there for 10 hours a day and then come home and write an article or do a video about it.
I think these articles have generated some of the least traffic And you think, well, Infowars is subject to the probe, so they're not going to go hand covering it, go all out covering it, because they're damn near close to being indicted themselves, our J6 defendants.
In fact, during trial, they constantly play Alex Jones interviews with members of the Proud Boys, and they even tried to say, calling yourself tip of the spear is indicative that you were plotting insurrection.
That's what the government actually argued during trial.
So I don't know what it takes to alarm the public enough.
I feel like in this industry we're fear-mongering, but it's never enough because I do really believe that J6 on November 3rd Is the cancer.
And we keep complaining about pedophilia, drag queen story time, and all these other symptoms of the cancer.
If Trump, who rightfully won, was sitting in office, we wouldn't be living through a holocaust in this country.
through all of the economic collapse that's happening.
But we allow the media, the mainstream media, to change the page, to change the narrative,
so we never get to heal the actual wound that's causing everything to bleed apart.
And so what does it take?
Everybody report on January 6th.
Because what does it set a precedent for?
We really are waiting for Trump to come and pardon everybody and come and fix everything.
Trump is rightfully the elected president and probably won more votes than any president in U.S. history against this decrepit candidate who couldn't speak.
Let's talk about that for a second.
Because that's such an important thing, right?
Because Trump, at the time of him, in my opinion, getting the election stolen from him, and I am of the same opinion that he probably got more votes than any president in history, more legitimate votes, anyway, than any presidential candidate in history, okay? Because I'm not buying the 81 million on Biden, sorry, sorry.
But he was in a position of power at that point.
And he became powerless.
And like you said, we haven't fixed this problem where our elections don't have integrity.
Now, were there extenuating circumstances with the COVID-19 84 nightmare, with the mail-in ballots?
Absolutely. Absolutely.
But the main infrastructure, especially the voting machines, and I'm not just talking about Dominion, everybody.
I'm talking about any voting machine that's plugged into anything.
Okay. They're rife with corruption.
So just like you said, I'm not holding my breath or holding out hope that Donnie T is going to get back in office and then these guys are going to be pardoned.
Hello, everybody. It's 2023.
The election isn't for another almost 18 months before you would even get that person in.
Why should these people suffer so much longer?
They were literally held without bail.
Because the establishment anticipated this outcome, Alicia.
The establishment orchestrated this outcome the same way we know COVID is a part of the plan.
I mean, they have pandemic simulations.
This is all orchestrated.
And it's the moment that you seem like we're close to a victory or Trump is exonerated from impeachment charges or the Russia probe collapses.
They have the next crisis waiting to institute the takeover.
And so, I mean, members of Congress, we're looking at all the federal judges.
We're looking at the judges are hijacked.
Our judicial system's hijacked.
Our Republican members of Congress, at best, these are supposed to be the party of abolitionism, the party of Abraham Lincoln.
At best, they give talking points about J6 when they have congressional power to do something about this.
And the Gateway Pundit We've written about this at the Gateway Pundit, the fact that members of Congress right now can get these men out of jail.
Instead, they drop soundbites, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and the rest.
What are you actually doing?
You're going to go do a photo op at the jail to give some crumbs to us, some breadcrumbs?
You're going to breadcrumbs us along until you get, hopefully, I mean, their seats are compromised too.
We have no election integrity, period.
Well, let's stop there. Because just like you said, I mean, you were talking about Congress, but probably the two biggest and most egregious and outlandish examples of these past elections would be the Carrie Lake situation where clearly she was the most popular candidate we'd seen in Arizona for governor.
I believe she was robbed.
And then you can go to Pennsylvania, where you thought they couldn't take it further than installing a puppet dementia-ridden
zombie in the presidency.
Let's have somebody who can literally not talk because they had a stroke and put him up against a TV star and we'll
tell everybody the TV star lost.
So let's have this ogre who has a stroke wear a dirty hoodie around Capitol Hill, and they're going to keep a
glorifying and putting these kind of decrepit characters evil in power.
And really, Donald Trump, you want to be a leader, or anybody...
Every district needs election integrity reform.
Every district. Why don't you tell...
When Trump talked about illegal immigration...
All of a sudden there were angel moms on Capitol Hill.
When Trump says, when the leader, we have no leadership.
So where's the leadership who is saying, hey, why don't you go and reform every district?
There's not going to be a President Trump to pardon anybody.
If their election was tomorrow, do you really think Trump would win even if he actually garnered 300 million votes?
I think that's another pipe dream, just like the one I had, thinking that this Antifa-Latin jury wasn't going to convict these guys, along with the judge's help.
Well, let me say this too, Alicia.
I've been vocal about my disappointments with Donald Trump, even recently.
I'm talking about Julian Assange and no pardon there.
It really wasn't a pardon because he hadn't been charged and still hasn't been charged in this country until he gets extradited, which is in the works now.
He did nothing for Snowden.
When he did pardon people, it was people in the political spectrum and celebrities like Kodak Black.
And largely, he didn't discuss...
January 6th and still really hasn't in the public arena.
So many people out there want to believe in magic.
They want to believe, you know, again, this guy's a superhero.
Let's say he gets in. I still think, first of all, I think that him getting in, at least right now, How we have the infrastructure set up is still kind of a long shot.
But let's say he does.
I'm not 100% convinced that he's going to go on a pardon parade for Tarrio and Biggs and all these other guys.
I mean, we have, I think, legitimate reason to question if that would even be the case.
But, just like you said, there are so many people out there that already are using that talking point.
They believe. Well, the government's dream would be that these guys take a plea deal since they're being tortured in solitary confinement in five by six cells for the past two years.
And some of them have. A lot of these guys are pleading guilty to crimes they didn't commit.
But what do they need these plea deals for?
Because they ultimately do want to attack President Trump.
And I have mixed feelings all about it all because First of all, the nation is nowhere crumbling.
The nation's crumbling now.
Look at how things were four years ago.
We still had semblance of normalcy.
We had economic prosperity.
We certainly didn't feel the government's foot on our neck.
And so... Almost anybody would be better than Joe Biden except Fetterman.
I don't know. Listen, there's a lot of bad people.
I mean, can you imagine if they, like, installed Jean-Karine Pierre or Jen Psaki?
Like, that would be a terrible president.
Kamala embarrassed would be terrible.
Yeah, I mean, Fetterman's...
I'm becoming more sympathetic to Fetterman because they're trying to roll him out there.
Like, I don't know if you saw that interview where he's sitting on the couch with his wife.
And the lady, I think it was ABC News, looks at him and she's like, well, John, you've gone through so much adversity.
Is there maybe a higher office you'd be looking for?
And he's like, is there any plans for that in the future?
And he looked at her and he's like, you know, I just got out of the hospital.
I just want to take my son to the restaurant he wanted to go to on his birthday because I wasn't here for his birthday.
Yeah. Like he wanted to cry.
And he struggled to get it out.
And I'm like, I'm feeling bad for this guy.
And he's part of this machine that is tearing this country apart.
But the media is not even happy with that.
They want to go further. President Fetterman!
John Fetterwoman!
I mean, what is going on, Alicia?
And you know what? I'm having fun here.
I'm trying to laugh.
This whole subject that we're talking about is dark.
It's dark. It's tough.
Same happens to be National Prayer Day.
My response to you and John Fetterman, feeling sorry for him, sometimes selling your soul to the devil doesn't work out so well.
Sorry for you. She's a cold woman, folks!
She's cold! Well, he's not sitting in solitary confinement looking at 20 years for crimes he didn't commit or wasn't even at the scene that day, like some people I know.
I can only imagine how these guys are feeling.
We all were hoping, I was hoping that one juror would be there who's like-minded like us, at least a little bit, who has a conscience.
I mean, like, don't underestimate evil.
We fail to realize 70% of our country has at least one dose of a COVID vaccine poison and 60% have two or more doses.
We not underestimate why you're going to wear a mask and follow along with government programming to the death of you.
And that's really what I guess I underestimated, thinking that there would be a good day and these guys would go home.
I mean, if you're a parent, imagine not having even your daughter or your son when they're toddlers or babies and the prospects of not seeing them again to their grown men or women.
And by the way, let's stop there.
And it's not because you assaulted somebody or you robbed someone.
None of those things.
It's because they took a contrived...
The 1800s law stretched it out with a broad set of inaccuracies and lies, made most people plea out, played it in the media to the point when I talked to friends of mine who would consider themselves, you know, a little bit media or political savvy and And I talk about this trial.
What's the first thing they say?
Isn't it about white supremacists trying to take over the government?
And I'm like, my God, that's the furthest thing from the truth.
If you were there, folks, it was a little calmer than a Dave Matthews concert.
That's about the feel outside.
I mean, you've seen a lot of the video of the people inside just walking through, taking pictures, thumbing through things.
The police are standing right there letting them walk through.
Well, on the other side, people are getting killed.
Getting shot at.
Flash grenades. So what were the directives that day?
How is it that you have some police officers just standing there cavalierly letting people through and then you have other instances where people are getting shooting sting balls at people?
How does that...
What are the directives that day?
It's obvious that it was like...
The police force was not prepared.
There wasn't enough police there, enough law enforcement officials.
And I believe that there were feds who were given shoot-to-kill directives that day.
Why is it that these people who murdered the demonstrators in cold blood are exonerated, given special awards, given awards?
And the one who killed Ashley Babbitt is given special housing by the government.
I mean, the Babbitt thing bothers me so much.
The fact that we didn't even get to know who that person was for so long.
And then they ran this media campaign where you were supposed to sympathize with this guy that gave no warning to shooting an unarmed woman.
It was just one of the many grotesque things, maybe one of the most grotesque things.
You've talked about the young woman that was killed outside and not resuscitated.
There's a lot of dark things people aren't talking about.
And there's a lot of lies about people like Officer Sicknick being killed there.
And obviously he wasn't killed there.
And lies by our government that police officers died on that day.
Also not true.
It's extremely bothersome.
But again, you've been on the ground floor Tell us where people can find your interviews with a lot of these defendants.
Because I know you've posted some of them here on Red Voice Media.
I know some of them are on Gateway Pundit.
I know that you're continuing to put a lot of this material out.
You're talking to the lawyers.
What have you done in the past?
And where can people find it?
Because I think that people really need deep context.
And then what do we have coming up in the future?
Well, all my work is on the Gateway Pundit, like you said.
Some of my interviews on Red Voice Media.
I will be doing at least a weekly interview with the J6 Defendant.
Make it a series. American Gulag series.
The Gateway Pundit has done so much for the J6 Defendants, probably more than any other organization.
Without receiving a penny in return, just by posting their stories and their give, send, go.
And sometimes it really makes a difference in these men's lives because their wives are unable to make ends meet, can't pay the mortgage.
A lot of these are housewives who didn't have a job and they just stayed home taking care of the kids.
Some people's families are separated.
They had to move different places.
Some family members Lost their jobs because their husbands are insurrectionists.
A lot of them have. Some of the family members won't visit, they can't visit their loved ones detained because they risk losing their jobs if their employers find out they're associated with any of this.
But a gateway pundit will be an article later tonight, an interview with Ethan Nordean.
And we're hoping to host a Twitter space for all five of the defendants in the next few days.
They actually just messaged me.
We're going to set a time for that and make sure that it's really well moderated this time.
Unfortunately, some people who work in this movement took the last Twitter space with Enrique Tarrio to self-aggrandize and talk about all the work they do and talk over Enrique.
And it got a lot, a lot of people upset.
So we're going to do a better job of that, hopefully tomorrow or the following day before.
You know, they're going to probably look at sentencing, might take three months.
Stuart Rhodes was Convicted of seditious conspiracy over three months ago and more due process being withheld.
He hasn't been sentenced yet.
We're going on three months where or four months, no sentencing.
So who knows when we'll see the sentencing date for these guys, but there will be an appeal and I'm going to work with the attorneys to keep on figuring out a path for victory here because I do think that J6 on November 3rd is the hill to die on.
You talk about COVID vaccines.
There would be no how kovat Holocaust happening if we were get this
This pathetic dictators out of the White House and its regime
well I'm really glad that you're out there doing these things
you have made a difference For the better for these defendants and their families and
their lives. They're going through a difficult situation I believe it would be much more difficult without people
like yourself We're gonna encourage people to go follow you over at
Alicia pow show. That's Alicia pow show pow pow Everybody on Twitter and Alicia. We hope that you will come
back soon And maybe we'll be discussing something a little bit more
positive But with the line of work that we're in, unfortunately, we got to shine light on the darkness and there is plenty of darkness out there.
So thank you very much for joining us.
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