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Meme Connoisseur And Fashionista Family Man Benny Wills Joins The Brigade!

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Benny Wills: Meme Culture Unveiled 00:15:09
Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here, and we've got a fun one set up for you.
You may know him from the memes on the internet.
You may know him from an event you went to over the past five, six, seven, maybe even decade, because he's been on the road for a while now, doing a lot of the things that my audience is very familiar with, emceeing big time events, or you may even have seen him in internet sketches again over that same time period.
We're going to have fun.
It is Benny Wills.
He has a YouTube channel that you can also subscribe to, and I would encourage you to do so if you need to smile during the day.
He is a family man, a meme connoisseur, and a fashionista.
So, Benny, without further ado, by the way, I want to say that I thought the hat was a good choice, especially on the road.
Match the shirt.
You know, good choice.
Don't let the haters hate.
First of all, tell my audience who you are, how a comedian and poet kind of gets into this space, and when you really began to question things that sent you on this journey.
Sure.
Well, actually, that's a great first question because you were actually instrumental to my journey.
And we've never spoken before, which I'm actually pretty surprised about.
But got to say, Loose Change 2004, I think, five, pretty much just sent me off to the races.
And that was it.
I was in college.
I saw that film, and I was showing everybody that I knew without hesitation back then.
I didn't know that I'd be labeled a conspiracy theorist by questioning things.
But yeah, and then from there, really the next, I guess, eight years or so, I was figuring out how to contribute and not just be a bystander.
And then in 2012, I teamed up with my friends and we made a sketch comedy video that had to do with conspiracy.
And we did it as a one-off.
We didn't think it was actually going to turn into anything.
But we were so impressed with the result that we decided to lean into it and see if we could provide some much needed humor to an otherwise very serious environment.
And that has sort of just kept taking me to new places and trying new things.
And yeah, I mean.
Well, let's stop it around 2012 because I think that's important.
This was still an era where you could go viral on your merit, right?
There were, in other words, if you put something together that people thought, hey, this is cool, they could share it on social media platforms that again, the algorithms weren't set up against to censor or label misinformation or outright ban you now.
I'm so sick of hearing China style censorship.
No, it's just censorship, guys.
We're here.
It's not China style anymore.
We're seeing it every day more and more.
These quote-unquote fact checkers are the bastard children of the debunkers that we saw during that 9-11 truth era.
And so, you know, through your merit, through your humor, through your hard work, you were able to build an audience and kind of make a name for yourself through these things, correct?
Correct.
And to show how things have changed so much in the past decade.
Well, actually, for the past 20 years, really, because back in 2004, like I said, when I was in college, I was able to share videos like Loose Change with friends and not be met with, I was met with sort of, I guess, apathy, but I wasn't met with anger like I am today.
And then with Joy Camp, yeah, I mean, the conspiracy, or sorry, the comedic angle towards conspiracy really did.
help reach people that were otherwise unreachable.
And there's a character that I play in the Joy Camp videos called the conspiracy guy.
And we made maybe one or two videos a year for, I don't know, six or seven years.
And throughout the videos, this was by accident, we sort of document in real time the reaction that the conspiracy theorist gets from normies.
So in the beginning, the first video, when I'm dropping, you know, truth bombs and kind of being the turret in the punch bowl, people just ignore me.
They were just ignoring me, waiting for me to finish, then they would continue on.
But by the end, like four or five years later, when I would interject, they would just start yelling at me and cursing at me and kicking me out of their house.
And I feel like that was a really accurate representation of how things have changed.
I mean, Joy Camp was picked up by a producer, and we were actually represented for a minute by William Morris Talent Agency in LA, which is the biggest agency in the world.
And they were repping Joy Camp, and we had a pilot that was produced with funding, and we shipped it or shopped it around to all the major players in Hollywood.
And no one was angered by it.
No one was mad.
No one tried to cancel us as a result.
And at that time, Mr. Robot was like the number one show.
And that was about a conspiracy theorist.
The guy won an Emmy for that show.
First of all, let's stop again because I think it's important.
For those that are not familiar with Mr. Robot, I only watched, I think, the first two seasons, maybe into the third season a little bit.
But the important thing is the opening scene is in a coffee shop with your main character who's in this really weird, uncomfortable situation, you know, conversation with this guy.
And it turns out that he has him busted for all sorts of child pornography, okay, on his computer.
Yeah, like that's that, that's the opening of this thing.
And as this guy starts to realize why he's really here, he thinks he's being shaken down and that there's going to be a blackmail aspect to this.
And there is no blackmail aspect to it whatsoever.
It's just kind of like that final conversation he wants to have with the psycho criminal as he exits and the police come in and arrest him.
That's how the series starts.
I won't even make any more commentary on it.
Well, that's a great point.
That's a good point.
And the show itself, I mean, there's so much truth in that show.
But the big misdirect about Mr. Robot is that they make the conspiracy theorist character like schizophrenic and paranoid and drug addicted.
And in my experience, my conspiracy theorist friends are usually pretty well adjusted.
How about that?
That's where the hoodwink really is in that show.
That's the trope everywhere.
I feel like number one, that show obviously borrowed a lot from Fight Club and David Fincher's representation of Fight Club, which is brilliant.
But at the same time, like, I don't know if you've seen the Pentaverite yet.
And that is...
Gosh, I have not seen it.
I don't know if I want to see it in some of the reviews my friends have, but I want to know about it.
Listen, I watched the whole thing.
And I would say this, the tropes are there.
And especially it's the lonely, crazy conspiracy theorist trope as one of the main characters.
But he plays a lot of characters, a lot of tropes in this one.
You know, Bigfoot gets in there, but it's still the best thing Mike Myers has done since Austin Powers.
100%.
Okay.
It has its funny moments.
It's kind of ludicrous, but at the same time, it does, you know, have a feel of obviously some of these people are being deceptive and don't have our best interests at heart.
But really bothered me about, I don't want to ruin the ending for you too much, but it gets into transhumanism and AI and the merging of man with machines inevitably.
And that's what's going to keep us safe in this utopian type of society that they're trying to build.
And here's the deal: I don't care what side of the aisle you're on.
I don't care what business you own.
I don't care how many times you tweet out, I love you.
I'm dying human.
I don't know when that is.
I don't make that decision.
You know, I obviously make that decision in some respects on how I live my life.
But ultimately, when I go, I go.
And I am not going to subscribe to this idea that I'm going to merge with machines, especially on a brain and neural level, because these people think that's the next level of human evolution.
Not happening, Benny.
I think that's the argument now.
We used to talk about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and saving this country.
But as things progress, I think ultimately, you know, like you said, I find the people that are really into this stuff are the most level-headed people, and they're usually family-oriented-oriented people.
And they just want to protect their family.
And that's what I'm doing right now, more than anything, is trying to set up a system where, you know, I can fight this as much as possible, protect my family, and die human.
I don't know about you.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
We just want to be left alone, essentially.
And I mean, I'm not even about fighting.
I just want to be non-compliant and, you know, not be dependent on the system as much as possible.
I'm trying to be less, not only compliant, but less reliant on the system.
Because the less reliant you are, the more freedom you have and the less you'll suffer, you know, and in the wake of whatever comes.
But yeah, to your point about conspiracy theorists and film and TV, they're always right.
You've noticed this in TV and film, the conspiracy theorist character is always right.
Always, 100% of the time.
But they always make them quirky and like twitchy and weird and have bad habits.
And funny how they do that, but they're still always right.
Yeah, it's bizarre, right?
It's one of those, again, it's very tropey.
Like this guy ends up being right about a lot of things.
But then, of course, they, you know, take the absurd, like birds aren't real and everything's a meme.
We've gone into, you know, more than anybody.
You know, hashtags and memes are the thing.
And it's just like I hear Jet Fuel can't melt steel beams.
It might as well be safe and effective to me, right?
It might as well be we're all in this together or alone together.
They're all kind of like this Bernesian mind trick with a social push, right, behind them.
And that social push online is what then penetrates the culture and what makes them memeable, right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And things have gotten so ridiculous.
The double standards are so obvious and the consistencies are just no longer there.
I feel like the truth used to be a little more veiled.
You look a little deeper to sort of piece it together, but now it's just blatantly obvious, which makes it very, very easy to meme, luckily for me.
So tell us about it.
How did you drive your show?
Which, again, I would suggest people please go and check them out.
Drive your show to kind of like the memes of the week.
You do it weekly now.
You grab basically the most absurd things.
I've never been a meme guy.
It's one of the things I used to clash with Luke Rodowski on constantly.
He would send me memes or just most ridiculous things.
I'd be like, look, man, I want to see this cartoon nonsense.
I'm trying to read the Financial Times right now.
I'm not happy about it.
But obviously, they push the culture probably more than anything.
And like, I refuse.
Listen, man, I don't know about you.
We're probably about the same age.
I'm about to be 43.
I've never snaped.
Yeah, I'm not Snapchatting.
I never did that.
I didn't ride the Instagram bandwagon.
I've never, I'm not taking pictures of my food and putting it up there.
You can bet your ass I've never fucking TikToked in my life.
But, you know, you can't get away from the memes.
And as it goes, the media becomes shorter and shorter and shorter.
I think there's influence to that.
But with memes, I say this.
Memes were kind of around before they even were hashtag memes, right?
People were doing graphics on Photoshop and they were just kind of jokes, right?
And then they kind of began this meme culture.
I would argue, you know, 2004-05.
That's when that term really started to come into play and put it out there.
And I would say a decade later, pre, let's say, MAGA era and the Trump presidency, they took over the culture in a way that they, you know, they were accelerating on a level, but it was almost like that singularity where they just rocketed up into cultural influence.
I mean, what do you assess that as?
Well, I think it's, I feel like it's been a natural sort of progression with social media.
I mean, we stopped being able to, I think social media has ruined our ability to communicate in general.
And comedy also is pretty much dead, if not completely dead, elsewhere.
I mean, memes are where comedy is now, period.
And social media debates don't work.
And in fact, you probably get blocked if you try to like bring up some actual factual evidence to someone in a conversation online.
But memes not only are funny, but they can really represent a point really clearly and simply and hilariously.
And I think it's just been a natural development.
And I love it.
And that's why I, I mean, I've always leaned towards, you know, is it funny or is it at least lighthearted?
I always try to keep things lighthearted.
And for me and my journey, it's sort of been, it was a natural progression.
I mean, I never thought I'd be hosting a meme show, but I did it as a one-off again on my channel.
People liked it.
I decided to just keep doing it.
And now I see, really, after two years, what value it has because we need to laugh.
We need to feel not so afraid of things.
And you need some arsenal.
You need some ammo to utilize in moments where your conversation or your tactics, your argumentation won't work.
I agree.
And listen, that's the thing.
Like when you look at this stuff, let's get back to the trope, the conspiracy.
He's constantly depressed or she's constantly paranoid.
And they're in their mother's basement.
No, actually, I try to keep my life pretty happy.
I try to smile during the day.
I always try to fit in some comedy.
I'm a big Kirby enthusiasm fan.
You know, I understand that me and Larry Davids' politics probably don't align.
He was just over at Ari Emanuel's wedding, by the way.
You talk about a player in the industry.
You were talking about William Morris before.
A lot of people don't know who Ari is, but he's the guy that Jeremy Piven's character was based on.
He also has intelligence ties and military-industrial complex ties throughout the Middle East region, especially through Israel, his brother's Rahm Emmanuel.
And I bring that up as a happy, smiling person that can still enjoy a little Hollywood propaganda and laugh about it, right?
Eric Trump's Hollywood Propaganda 00:06:12
And we all can.
And kind of that's the human relationship.
But they don't portray it.
Like we're constantly digging through things and we can't have that moment.
But you want to have those moments.
You want to be able to go out with your family.
You want to be able to enjoy things.
You want them to enjoy things.
You want them to find their niche.
I mean, obviously, first and foremost, when you got into this, you thought, you know, comedy and art, correct?
Yeah, and I really thought I could change the world.
I mean, I had delusions of grandeur, really.
I really felt that, I mean, I don't know about you, but 2012 to like 2014 or 15, it felt like we were on the precipice of waking up the world.
I felt like we were going to win.
And it's only done, it's like gone the opposite direction.
Now, that to say, I don't think that the same number of people, the same ratio, I guess, of people who question things is as good as ever, but it's gone a different direction in the last couple of years.
And people who are committed to believing the media are like doubling down on it.
And my need to wake people up has dissipated.
And thankfully so, because it was, it's impossible.
So now I just like to really work with people who are already there, who are interested in, you know, teaming up and creating solutions and riding this wave no matter where it takes us.
Yeah, things have changed a lot in the last few years.
Well, for me and the world.
Well, for me, I look at it this way, man.
I want to talk to everybody.
So I just spoke at the Reawaken America Tour with Clay Clark and, you know, that's put on with Michael Flynn.
And I'll be speaking again in Rochester.
And actually, I'll be opening up for Eric Trump, apparently.
So I'm going to be the guy right before Eric Trump.
And, you know, a lot of these guys are, you know, mainline conservatives, very Christian-orientated.
There's definitely a religious feel to this thing.
But at the same time, they have people like Sherry Tempani there and Judy Mikiewicz.
And I interviewed Andrew Wakefield while I was there.
So there's heavy hitters all over the place, you know, Roger Stone, all these people.
And I get to give a presentation on how NASA is a front for the military-industrial complex and transhumanism.
And so is Elon Musk.
And what he's really doing is he has a bunch of Defense Department contracts where SpaceX is arming the world and putting up satellite systems in the Blackjack DARPA program right now.
And that's where his real wealth comes from.
You know, he actually made out better than any other billionaire during the pandemic.
He increased his wealth 600%.
Some of the heavy hitters behind him were the good people like Jeff Bezos, Sergey Brin, Warren Buffett, big all-star, Bill Gates, of course.
And I think I said Warren Buffett already, but I'll say him twice because he's that important.
You know, what's your take on the Muskerdo?
And the other thing is that, you know, it looks like now this whole Twitter thing is pushing forward.
Great.
I hope he comes out for free speech.
I hope I get a blue check mark.
I hope you get a blue check mark.
I hope we all get a blue check mark.
I hope the algorithms aren't based against us.
I hope the fact-checking goes away.
I hope you can actually have a real forum.
But even if he gave me all that, you know what I say, Benny?
Not taking a brain chip.
Thoughts.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like I don't trust him.
Let's put it simply.
I feel like in a way he's being propped up as sort of the new Trump in essence.
He's like the new sort of savior for those who feel like they're being victimized by the left.
And so, and when we defer our authority to someone else and we defer our power to people that we've never met and probably never will meet, We weaken ourselves and we start really just hoping that someone's going to come in and be our savior.
And it feels like that's what's happening again with Elon Musk.
And just like Trump, I mean, he does things and says things that can sound appealing and can be encouraging.
And even if some of that stuff is real, him as our representative in the mainstream doesn't make me feel good.
I don't know.
I don't trust him.
I'm curious to see how it all develops, but I think he's another, it's feeding the construct, it's feeding the divide.
Well, you know, I have to agree with you.
And kind of that's how I got on the Reawaken America tour: you know, Clay came on, and this is a big Trump push tour.
And right out of the gates, it's like, you know, I'm not so sure.
And he's like, well, who would you go with?
I go, well, if we're talking mainline politicians, I go, Rand Paul's probably the guy.
I go, he's not perfect, but he's challenged the system more than anybody else during this COVID 1984 nightmare.
I go, Mike Lee isn't a warmonger.
I like what some of the things that he says and does.
I don't know that I trust him either.
You know, and we started there.
And I think that's important, right?
When you're having conversations with people and so much more than just being completely divisive and not having an answer or only having a talking point that you saw on some news channel to spit back at them, you can engage in a conversation.
I think that's important, right?
You talk about talking to people that are kind of semi-woken up, but like people that are at least following the conversation in the mainstream and know something's wrong.
Yeah, I feel like conversation, the ability to have conversations with anybody is more important than ever.
I mean, when you understand the tactic of divide and conquer, it is one of the goals.
We're seeing it now more than ever in my lifetime.
So I actually, that's what I do for a living now.
I really work with people to help them break through the lines of division, if you will, to help them speak to anybody and represent themselves well and their opinions well and be able to keep not only friendships, but actually gain ground and make, you know, get people to actually listen to what you say rather than, you know, dismissing you.
Why We Run Away 00:02:47
No, I agree.
I have people run away from me.
Like, like, for instance, I was having a conversation.
I was back in New York for my alumni weekend, a gentleman, probably a decade, maybe 15 years older than me.
He's somebody who's worked at a pollster.
He's in Florida.
He's, you know, a Democrat and a big liberal.
And, you know, he's basically, we have the hearings tonight.
I think I'm going to have to be doing a watch-along, right, for the new show trial brought to us by the Good Morning America producer.
You can't make this stuff up.
Meanwhile, I was there.
I may go live early and just like play my hour-long worth of footage that I have beforehand as well.
We might have to do it all.
I'm not sure yet.
But aside from that, they're putting on this mainstream show trial, right?
It's coming.
We're about to watch this thing.
And it's going to demonize a bunch of Americans, my friend.
Like it's, it's, it's going to demonize them.
You, he's, he's basically saying he's happy that Ashley Babbitt got shot.
And I just bring up the point.
I go, look, man, I go, I think people should be prosecuted that committed crimes there.
If you assaulted a police officer, if you trespassed, charge them, release them, give them their day in court.
Let's go.
No one's a terrorist there.
I go, I was there.
It's like a Dave Matthews concert.
Some people did some bad things.
And then I go, you know, I'm sure you believe that Joe Biden got 81 million votes.
I go, but let's not talk about Dominion or any of these other things.
I go, it's really down to, do you believe in the Constitution or not?
I go in Pennsylvania, and this is now three months old.
The media largely just ignored it.
And the new world is appeal, right?
But a constitutional judge in the state Supreme Court of Pennsylvania ruled all the mail-in ballots unconstitutional.
And I go to him, if that's the case and they're unconstitutional, I go, do you think that Joe Biden didn't win on the mail-in votes?
And I go, just Pennsylvania alone flips the election.
I go, I'm not saying this reinstitutes Trump and all this other stuff.
I go, this proves he won the election, hands down, at a constitutional election.
And I'm not, he goes, I tried to show him the like PDF of the judge ruling it in Pennsylvania.
He just walked away.
I'm not looking at your stuff.
Like, it's not my stuff, man.
It's literally a constitutional ruling in a court on the presidential election that would flip it.
I'm not saying they're going to flip it.
I'm not saying that they're not going to appeal it till the cows come home and give you some executive order.
I'm just showing you what a judge said.
People Everywhere 00:13:12
Well, you know, what are your thoughts when you have those people just walk away or run away when you're that's all you're trying to do?
I take my time.
So I'm because I've been going down the rabbit hole.
I've been in this camp, I guess, for so long.
I know how to handle myself in conversations.
And I am really patient with people and I let them explain their points of view clearly, which is hard for them to do a lot of the time because a lot of people that you debate with or try to have a conversation with, they don't really understand their opinions.
So you actually always have a leg up in these conversations if you allow it to be that.
Because people are usually emotionally driven.
And since they're downloading talking points from the mainstream, and because it feels right, they think it's right.
If you know how to have a real conversation with them, if you know how to ask the right questions, retreat when you find yourself maybe saying a little too much, if you listen, you can help them understand their own point of view better.
And they'll often get kind of perplexed because they're for the first time actually trying to understand why they believe what they believe.
And when they do that, they can glitch a little bit.
So you have to be very careful and establish a rapport with them so that they feel safe and that you're on the same team.
And that's what it's all about.
We ultimately are on the same team.
And if they can feel that you have the same priorities and same values, then they're going to be more likely to listen to you.
I totally agree.
People don't understand that you have so much more in common with your neighbor who may vote differently than you, who may have a different lifestyle than you, believe in a different God than you, than these people at the top that are not the 1%.
I hate the term the 1%.
Hey, everybody.
One out of 100 people is not running the show.
One out of 100 people is not even really like a high-level minion.
And a lot of these businessmen out there that even have $10 million, $100 million that are pulling strings in your local communities and such really aren't those people at the top that are telling you that they are going to change the financial system.
There's a new thing called stakeholder capitalism.
We're going to use blockchain technology.
And we're going to have governance boards like the World Health Organization and others.
What are your thoughts on the coming out party of this kind of global governance agenda via Davos?
And then subsequent to that, what are your thoughts on Bilderberg being blacked out the way it was?
You know, because you've been around a long time.
You've seen where hundreds and sometimes thousands of people have actually protested these things and it's penetrated the mainstream media.
You know, obviously it's the post-COVID 1984 era.
What are your thoughts?
Yes.
Yeah.
We're the and we're in the post-truth world.
Truth doesn't matter anymore.
Facts don't matter.
We are in we're in nonsense land.
Uh, in a way, I'm kind of excited about it, to be honest, because this has this has to reach a crescendo and it has to reach its inevitable conclusion.
And again, this is why we have to focus on solutions and focusing on you know preparing to the best of our ability for whatever's to come so that we can ride the wave and watch it happen and live through it.
So I'm glad that it's becoming blatantly obvious.
I'm glad that these chuckleheads are exposing themselves.
And I'm excited to see what's going to happen because ultimately, truth wins.
You cannot stifle truth completely.
You cannot stifle the human spirit completely.
And maybe I'm just hopeful because I have two infant sons, but I'm glad that this is all like coming to a head.
And I'm curious to see what's going to happen.
And I really do.
I call myself an apocalyptimist.
I'm very optimistic about the future, especially like the long-term future.
But I'm, you know, I'm glad it's all coming out.
And as far as Bilderberg goes, I mean, this is one of the good things about having two very small children is I don't get as much time to pay attention to the details as I used to.
And that's actually a relief.
I used to be really obsessed with the news cycle and what was happening all the time.
And I have, I literally don't have the time now.
And it's better that way for me.
But the news in my life is my kids and their nap times and when they're eating and you know, when they're cutting teeth.
And it's for me, it's well, that has its own level of stress, like a lot of stress.
It's better that I'm not paying attention to every little thing.
And I'm more, I'm more seeing the bigger picture and you know, remaining hopeful.
And of course, then the memes do help me help me to stay informed.
But it's, I don't know.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to see what happens.
Well, I don't know about excitement for me, obviously, because I've delved deep into this stuff and I see their mission just moving forward and forward and forward.
And if they get anywhere near to where they want, what I see is some stumbles, but ultimately them moving towards this globalist transhuman agenda, right?
And luckily, we're not on YouTube right now.
And, you know, I'm probably going to cut this interview in half and put the front end on YouTube.
So please feel free to speak freely.
But, you know, they just released a bioweapon on the world.
Okay.
Then restricted the world in a manner we have never seen.
Then instituted DARPA bio-weapons that were cooked up via Moderna and other strategic partners in the mRNA production, such as AstraZeneca and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, successfully to some extent.
Listen, I'm hopeful too, man.
We were talking about smiling, and I'm glad guys like you are raising families.
I'm trying to start a family of my own with my girl right now.
You know, she's already got a daughter.
I've helped raise my nieces.
I think that's important.
I think people like me and you, whether no matter how you vote and what you think about the big, big stuff or even the small, small stuff, if you believe in humanity and family, that's important.
And we need more people like that.
I mean, what do you think?
I absolutely agree.
And don't misunderstand.
I'm certainly concerned.
And I am staying vigilant.
And I want to make sure that my boys are raised right and have a good environment to be raised in.
And the threats are many.
I'm just saying it's becoming almost laughable how obvious this is getting.
Like it almost feels like with 2020, they put the pedal to the metal, and now they're trying to accelerate the end game and being a little hasty with their approach.
So it's becoming sloppy.
And I don't know, on a spiritual level, as I've gone through this so much, I feel like there's an aspect of this experience, of our lives, that you cannot have the human experience without grappling with evil.
I think no matter when you're born, what time period, you have, there is, there are always going to be people who are just determined to control, determined to enslave.
Tyranny is always here to some degree, and it's a part of the experience.
And it helps us to grow if you can really internalize that.
If you can move beyond fear, which is the real killer, fear, if you can move beyond that and see, like, okay, I see what they're doing over here, so I'm going to do this over here.
You know, it's, it's always going to be something you have to grapple with.
And it's good to know like what the what their tactics are so you're not blindsided.
But yeah, I mean, I think that my relationship, my relationships are only getting better.
The more that I've committed to truth throughout my life, the better my life has become.
The bigger the rewards have been.
The more I've like let go of whatever path I was on.
This new path, while kind of intimidating sometimes, it's so rewarding consistently.
And the people that come into my life, the community that I've built locally and even internationally is so amazing.
I just feel like something's going right in spite of how bad the opposing forces are.
I agree with that a thousand percent.
It's called the law of attraction.
And it's the, again, antithesis of what the media wants to present lives like yours or mine are.
I mean, tell my audience about that.
You've traveled the world during the last decades or so.
Talk about that experience.
Tell people where you've traveled and just what it's been like checking out those cultures and what, again, what we have across the world in common as a human community.
I'm sure you've experienced that.
Yes.
Well, what I've definitely observed is that there is no stereotype for the conspiracy theorist, for the truther.
We are of any age, of any culture, gender, all over the world.
We are everywhere.
And it doesn't take anybody can snap out of their trance at any time.
And therefore, when the media tries to whitewash us as being one thing, it's hilarious because it's so ridiculous.
Yeah, I mean, so I teach it, I teach an online class, and in my class, I'll have people from Panama, Japan, Russia, France, Ireland, Germany, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
And it's people from age 19 to age 75.
So people everywhere are seeing things clearly.
And sometimes we're made to actually, no, we are made to believe that we are in a minority of one, that we're isolated, that everyone around us is brainwashed, and that everybody's following this agenda.
And it's just not true.
I mean, we have zero representation in the media.
Zero, zero percent.
So it's easy to feel like we are alone in our beliefs.
But I, in my travels and in my online work, I can say with certainty that that's just false.
There are people, no matter where you are, the people near you who are feeling similarly to you and seeing things similarly to you.
And again, that's what gives me hope because we're everywhere.
What's been, I guess, the most awe-inspiring moment/slash place that you visited?
Something maybe that caught you off guard and you were just like, wow.
Well, let's see.
I mean, with just with traveling to perform and speak.
Just in general, like while you were on the road doing that, it doesn't have to be at the event.
Just maybe something that you noticed and it kind of just made you step back for a minute and have maybe a poignant moment or a realization.
Yeah, well, one thing that comes to mind is just seeing how much world there is and how much space there is.
So when I get to go travel, one of the cool things about traveling, the best thing about traveling and especially participating in conferences and events is the people.
But the other cool thing is being able to see parts of the world that I wouldn't otherwise.
And because I know people at the conferences, I always get sort of the insider tour of the place.
I'm not just a tourist, not someone just checking out the cities and taking pictures.
No, they're taking me like to the rural areas and what's going on outside the cities.
And what I really always see is space.
There's so much beauty in the world.
It doesn't take very much to get to a place where you are absolutely untouched by the agenda.
And that makes me feel good.
Even here in my property, we're pretty isolated.
And I think that's something that really strikes me is that there's so much space out there.
There's so much beauty out there that makes you feel, I don't know, strong and not, I don't know how to say it.
Yeah, just the beauty and the space.
And it's so easy to get to a place where there aren't any people around where you can really just take in the beauty of this experience of life and take a breather from obsessing over the details.
You know, it's interesting because I'm not a world traveler, but I've traveled the country several times.
And you said there's a lot of space.
And I've made this point again and again and again.
I've driven through the country all over.
And it's not that hard to get to an area where you are extremely isolated, where there are no people.
The Myth That We Are the Problem 00:03:57
And it always blows this myth that there are not enough resources for human beings.
It always blows this myth that somehow we are the problem.
It always blows this myth to me that human beings need to be depopulated.
And that's why this eugenics agenda is so stark to me because you have this predator class at the top that wants to control not only human evolution, but all evolution and life on earth through artificial intelligence and biomimetics, right?
You have them there.
What do you think they're doing with us?
It's a big lie.
They chose carbon as the ultimate demon on the planet when they pollute our world in ways we cannot imagine, imagine just through the military industrial complex and the tests they do alone.
They don't measure the carbon there whatsoever.
We're the carbon they want to reduce and it is a life force on the planet.
It disturbs me, man.
And people don't get that.
They think they're saving the planet when they're recycling or, you know, what's your feeling on that?
A lot of people that think they're doing a good thing and honestly believe that there are too many humans doing too many things on the planet and we do need to be depopulated.
Well, I have pity for them.
I think it's never, there's never been a worse time to be blue pilled.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Ignorance is hell.
And I keep that in mind when I find myself getting frustrated with friends, family, or people that are just blindly complying with nonsense.
I remind myself that I'm the lucky one.
And I'm so thankful that I have the eyes to see.
And what a miserable experience it would be, not only to be someone who is ignorant and committed to trusting everything any authority says, but just the prison sentence of being someone who feels like they have to control everybody.
What a miserable existence.
These psychopaths or sociopaths who obsess over power and control, to me, that feels like a miserable experience.
That feels like they're being denied the real beauty of life.
They're being denied an actual loving existence.
And that's, well, that's not enviable.
So I try to, because I don't have, I'm not always in a place of like balance where I feel that, but I have, I remind myself that I am, I'm the lucky one here.
And I have my own problems and I have my own things I'm working on.
I have my own challenges.
But I'm glad I'm not someone who is desperate for control.
And I'm glad I'm not someone who's believing those who are desperate for control.
So I'm, yeah, I remember to have empathy and sympathy for people.
I think that's important.
And forgiveness.
All those things are important.
You don't forget, but you try not to be apathetic because once again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of the people that you're going to interact with in your life are on the same playing field you are, are in the same boat of whatever decisions these people within the predator class make, they affect our lives on a grand scale.
And once again, if COVID-1984 didn't make that clear that it was going to happen on various levels, and it was only when people really stepped up to the plate and said no, that you saw any motion or change otherwise.
And people lost their jobs.
They lost family relationships, friend relationships.
This is part of that psychological warfare, again, that wants to pit us against each other.
So now more than ever, it's so important that we realize we have to come together and we're not the enemy.
Speaking of what you're working on, tell people about what you're working on.
Tell people about these online classes, how they can get involved, all these different things.
Sure.
Building Bridges Through Communication 00:10:34
Well, I have a class I teach called Parhesia.
You see a little sign here behind me.
Parhesia is a word that's sort of been lost from our lexicon, and it literally means free speech, means to speak freely or boldly and to speak truth to power, which is what we desperately need.
And I love the words.
I created a course all about communication.
And I created the course because of what was happening in 2020, because of the lockdowns, and because of what I was seeing amongst my colleagues and peers of broken relationships and seeing people being ostracized because they had the wrong thought, you know, the wrong opinion on things.
People losing relationships with their kids, with their parents, with their coworkers, with whoever, and being devastated by that.
I mean, I've seen marriages end and people stop talking to each other completely.
And I thought, this is not okay.
And like, because divide and conquer is the goal, I refuse to accept that.
So I'm about building bridges.
So I help people, I empower people to communicate more effectively with this class.
And it's a nine-week course, and it's all things communication.
It's how to talk to, how to conquer your fear of public speaking, which is a lot of people's number one fear.
How to address an audience, how to talk to a stranger, how to talk to your doctor, how to talk to your mom, how to talk to your spouse, how to handle any kind of confrontation, and then how to express yourself creatively.
Because I am living proof that you can refine your thoughts and your opinions and distill them down into creative bite-sized morsels that are actually oftentimes way more effective than the conversation you might have.
So, because I've been down this road for so many years now, I dropped from that to create this curriculum to help people.
And it's very therapeutic.
And I've been doing it for almost two years now.
So it's self-evident at this point.
It is helping people.
And it's, yeah, I think it's my greatest creation yet.
And I have some pretty cool things under my belt.
So I'm very proud of it.
In fact, if people are interested, I created a coupon code just for your audience.
If you use coupon code Burmes, you can get a discount.
The season four starts in July.
And it's very hands-on.
So I'm like very, very involved with it.
So we spent a lot of hours together online.
And, you know, there's a website I'll give it to you in the show notes so people can click on it and check it out and feel free to email me about it.
But I am very, very happy with how it's turned out.
And it's cool.
And maybe the best thing about it that I didn't see coming was that it helps people find their voice and utilize their voice in a way that they draw the right people to them.
So yeah, I have all kinds of tactics and tools you can utilize to have the impossible conversation with friends and family.
But perhaps more important is being able to use your voice and communicate in a way that you become a beacon and people get drawn to you so that you can have people around you in your life that you can, you know, talk things through with and create alternatives with and create solutions with and build community with.
And I think that's more important than having the hard conversations.
Anyway, it's all those things.
It's all things communication.
Well, as to pulling people into your life, I think that's something that truly comes from within, right?
And you kind of have to be able to do that.
For instance, you know, during this whole COVID thing, I was living in New York.
I could tell right away this was not going to work out even in upstate New York.
By April of 2020, I had decided to move, but I wanted to go across the country.
I ended up choosing this place, Quad Cities in Iowa.
And people thought I was nuts, right?
You know, everybody's like, you're not going to know anybody there.
What are you doing?
Yada, yada, yada.
I ended up bringing my sister and her kids with me.
But at the same time, within a very short period of time, I built a network here stronger than I've ever had anywhere else in my life.
You know what I mean?
I met somebody who does, you know, not only a lot of real estate and all these other types of deals, but he has a printed media operation, which has been around for over two decades.
You know, the River Cities Reader, good friend of his, people in communications.
I've never had a network so good.
And I did it in a short amount of time.
And I believe it's because sometimes when you're drawn to something, again, that draws other things into you and having that positive attitude.
You know, it's not like I was hurting for friends and relationships where I lived.
And now I'm certainly in a larger geographic area.
So I guess you can pull a little bit more in.
But all those things are really important when you're deciding what you want to do in your life.
And people get stuck in these ruts that I can't, I can't, I can't, you know, I can't move here.
That's a big commitment.
I can't take this job.
I can't jeopardize my job.
All those things play into, you know, I have to watch out for my kids.
You know, you have two small children.
That is constantly playing in.
If you're still with your wife or you're in another relationship, all those things are going to be weighing on you.
I want to keep that together.
You know, what are your thoughts?
Are those some of the things that you discuss while you're in these types of?
I mean, it's nine weeks, I would imagine.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we talk about everything.
And just to your point, COVID, the best thing that's come out of COVID is that it's inspiring people to finally do the things they should be doing.
A lot of in a lot of cases, people are finally doing the things they've known for years they should be doing, and they're finally doing it.
And that's it's getting people out of a place of complacency.
And I think that's a good sign.
So, I mean, for me, I finally have created something that's really a value-for-value exchange.
You know, I was doing comedy and making videos and doing poetry and all that, but COVID prompted me to create something from my mind and my heart of value to offer people to help them.
And that wouldn't have happened had it not been for COVID.
And this is happening all over the place.
I mean, it's forcing me to make decisions that are not lazy.
And I think that's so, and so many people are doing the same thing.
So it's all on how you spin it.
And yes, with the course, it's all things communication.
And whatever issue a person is having in their world of communication, whether it's not being able to, I don't know, write the email to their uncle that they've been sitting on for a couple of years or reconciling something with a former friend or talking to their parents about the jabby-jabby.
There's something there.
There's tools within the course to help you with literally any type of confrontation or conversation you need to have, planned or unplanned.
So that kind of almost circles back to where we were in the beginning of the conversation: how people aren't communicating.
Everything is so divisive.
And how do we create solutions towards this?
So you talked about being as interdependent on you, your family, and those around you.
And that's about it.
And not really this globalized, this kind of localized scenario and learning new trades, making new relationships.
You talked about pulling people into your circles.
Talk a little bit about that because people are looking for those type of solutions.
Yeah, well, I feel like I've created enough of a, I have enough morsels of my own creations that people can utilize to help with whatever, an awakening.
And I, so, but I don't need to focus on that anymore.
You know, it's weird.
Like the influence that we as an individual can have on a person to change their mind is not very good.
But when you have someone else's work to help you assist, that can be more helpful for whatever reason.
So I'm, yeah, I'm really focusing on helping those who are seeking the counsel that I offer.
And that's a lot of people right now.
I mean, again, something like COVID, it's such a big event.
The bigger the event, the more of a ripple effect it has in the opposite direction.
Meaning more people snap out of their trance, the bigger the event is.
So more people than ever now are questioning things because of COVID.
And those are the people that are usually the worst at communication.
I know because I've been there.
You know, that's why I created the conspiracy guy on my Joy Camp channel.
I was making fun of myself because when I first woke up, when I first saw Loose Change and was in college, I was not representing myself well or the topics in conversation.
And I saw firsthand how detrimental that could be and how ineffective.
So, if someone's just snapping out of their trance now with COVID, their impulse is probably they just fire hose people and get really emotionally charged and do more damage than was there before.
You know, there are so many landmines set in front of us now when it comes to conversation.
People who are believing the media, if they hear you say the wrong word, the wrong sentence, the wrong whatever, they will immediately assume you're this, this, and this.
And it's just always the case.
So how do you avoid that?
And that's where I'm like, I'm like a net for people who are figuring out how to communicate these really, really important ideas and topics in a way that helps and doesn't hurt and actually gets the person to listen and not just close the door on them.
Well, you also talked about the mobilization of people doing the things that they've known for a long time that they should be doing.
And again, having a backup food supply, having maybe even a small piece of land and learning some gardening, even jarring preserving, having a freezer where you can put meat and other perishables that will last for six months, all those type of things, having a generator, those are pretty simple things, but things that, you know, our community and not necessarily the, you know,
Learn To Prepare 00:03:10
militia people they try to make you out to be or the survivalists, right?
Or all these apocalyptic people, just being people like saying, hey, have a plan.
You know, know what you're going to do in case this might happen or that might happen.
Even those that wanted to homeschool in small communities, these type of things are now being taken seriously and exploding in many levels, correct?
Absolutely.
More people, more parents have taken their children out of school maybe than ever in the past couple of years.
And I think that's awesome.
And everything you just mentioned is important and a bit daunting at times, even for me.
I mean, definitely.
I grew up in the city and didn't learn basic survival skills, but the things you just mentioned are really basic.
And if we did have, you know, if we had an actual education as children, we would know how to do so much more.
And we wouldn't be so scared in moments like this because it's our reliance that's going to get us in trouble more than anything.
But yeah, I mean, we need, we do need to take it upon ourselves to educate and learn things that can help us to navigate accordingly because it is weird and it's going to get weirder.
And if you don't know how to do something, make friends with someone who does and offer something in return.
But yeah, this is, we're going back to our roots.
And I think that's a bit intimidating and a little scary, but also really awesome.
So yeah, there is a silver lining in every challenge.
Not to sound cliche, but you know what I mean.
Well, you know, earlier you said, look, every single generation is going to face some type of evil.
It is part of the human experience.
I believe the same exact thing.
I don't think that there's any way you're going to be able to get to 100% good and hopefully never into this 100% dominant post-human world, which I think is inherently evil, by the way.
But there will be varying degrees of challenges throughout a rapid pace of the time that we're living in now.
What are some of those challenges that you're warning people about?
Challenges that we're facing that we need to learn from?
Well, I would say prepare for.
So, you know, right now you've got the you will own nothing crowd.
Obviously, the economy and inflation, it's not, it's a problem now.
But it could be even, yes, yes.
These reliance issues on systems.
Yes.
Yeah, whatever you're relying on, just keep an eye on it because you never know when, you know, we don't know what's going to happen.
And there's so many, like the food supply chain is seemingly very threatened at the moment.
So, you know, yeah, just listen to that.
Listen to your gut because I think you already know what that is, what you need to do and what you should be doing.
And yeah, be and maybe consider leaving cities.
I don't know, not to be an alarmist again, but like, I feel like the cities are potentially really bad places to be, no matter what is going to happen.
So I don't know.
Prepare With Fun 00:03:26
I don't know.
I try not to sound too dim and gloom.
But yeah, I mean, it's not doom and gloom to prepare.
It's not doom and gloom to have to acquire new skills, to know new people, and have fun doing it.
I guess that's also a key.
You can have fun while you prepare.
You don't have to be in a place of panic.
You can enjoy learning a new skill and growing a plant or whatever it is for you.
Benny, we've been going for about an hour.
Tell everybody not only where they can find you, but how they can support you and give people the website now that we have a code, guys, the Burmese promo code, if you want to be a part of this, where they can get your course and become a part of these classes.
Sure.
Well, Parhesia, the website is productions.bennywills.com.
I'll probably make that a little easier at some point, but for right now, it's productions.bennywills.com.
If you don't remember that, if you didn't write it down, just go to bennywills.com.
That will lead you to Parhesia.
And then where else?
My YouTube channel still exists somehow.
Youtube.com/slash Benny Wills.
I'm also on Odyssey and Brighteon and BitShoot.
And if you want to sign up for my meme mailing list, so every week I do about 100 memes in the show and then I offer them to you in an email the next day.
If you want to get the memes from the show, even if you don't want to watch the show, but you want the memes, go to bennymemes.com to get on my mailing list.
And yeah, that's it.
Productions.bennywills.com, bennywills.com, youtube.com slash Benny Wills and BennyMemes.com.
Thank you, sir.
We should get together sooner.
Yeah, no, we should definitely do some more broadcasts together.
Fan of your work.
And I know you got two kids.
So God bless you.
And like I said, man, I think there's a big family, human, spiritual aspect to this.
And we need more independent thinkers, not shying away from having families, but having more and more families and trying to instill that in our children, this human aspect.
Well, that's yes, to piggyback on that.
The last thing I want to say is that if you are feeling hopeless about the future, then they have you exactly where they want you.
So it's never a good time to throw up the white flag.
There's always hope.
And yeah, I think having a family possibly is the best defense against the world, New World Order for what it's worth.
I love it, man.
That doesn't mean everyone's going to have a family, but you know.
I get it, but I love that.
All right, Benny.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Jason.
Pleasure.
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