Hodgetwins scrutinize a 76-year-old woman's claim of witnessing a lynching in rural Virginia during the early 1960s, contrasting it with NAACP records showing Ohio's last lynching occurred in 1932. The hosts challenge her account by referencing the Marion, Ohio memorial and her mother's experiences under Jim Crow, accusing her of fabrication for victim status while generalizing about Black women's dishonesty despite her achievements as a pioneering actress and Miss Magazine cover star. Ultimately, the segment exposes deep racial tensions and skepticism surrounding historical narratives on The View. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why We Still Talk About Lynching00:06:30
So this black actress goes on the view and she claims when she was a kid, she saw a lynching.
Why are we still talking about people swinging from trees?
Like why?
Well, what's the motivation?
Everybody know people are lynched in America, white and black.
Yeah, but this woman is not 200 years old.
I think everybody wants to be a victim when you have a dark complexion.
But check this out.
This is crazy.
It's a verifiable lie.
Hello.
Now look, you just walked out to the famous song of your 1974 classic Foxy Brown.
By Willie Hutch.
Your groundbreaking roles from coffee to Foxy Brown to Jackie Brown.
All right.
I remember those movies.
Yeah, so this lady is 76 years old.
She's different.
So many.
Look at that.
I mean, you know, you embodied the don't f ⁇ with me woman.
She don't look 76, huh?
Look at all them black women.
Did you ever think that after all this time you would still elicit this kind of response from people who grew up watching you do what they wanted to do, what they felt compelled to do, but were not in a position to do on the screen?
I got a lot of it from you.
Well, let me ask you this, because you've been the first so many times, but you were the first black woman on the cover of Miss Magazine in 1975.
You paid for black female representation in the stunt industry as well.
But before breaking all those barriers in Hollywood and other places, you faced a lot of racism growing up in Columbus, Ohio.
How did that shape you?
Well, the military wouldn't allow black families to live on the base.
So you had to live in an apartment.
And you couldn't take a bus.
You couldn't afford a car.
You walked.
Your dad's walked to the base.
And sometimes we would go from tree shade to shade to get back to the apartment.
My brother and I, my mom, with bags.
And my mom would go, don't look, don't look, don't look.
And she'd pull us away.
Wow.
Because there was someone hanging from a tree.
And then.
This lady was born in 1950.
Mama was born in 1941.
Yeah.
I forget.
And my mom grew up in the Jim Crow South.
She never told me she saw somebody swinging from a tree.
Yeah.
Rural Virginia.
Yeah, and this comes from us.
We grew up in Martinsville, Virginia, where the Klan, like once a year, would have a parade and walk down the center of Martinsville, Virginia.
The clan used to do that, right?
But we never seen anything like that.
Mama, who always talked about racism, never told us any stories of seeing anything like that.
But when she was a kid, she was born in 1949, 1950.
She claims to have seen one like what, around in the early 60s?
Because she said she was a kid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when was the last lynching in Ohio?
1932, according to ChatGPT.
And that's reported by the NAACP and the Tuskegee, Tuskegee Institute.
So that's a verifiable lie.
Verifiable lie.
Well, let's see what they got to say.
Let's see if they give any pushback.
They have a memorial for it now where you can see where people were and left.
And it triggers me today to see that a voice can be silenced.
And if a white family supported a black, they're going to get burned down or killed or lynched as well.
Pam, you've done too many extraordinary things to highlight, but I do want to mention.
Well, won't you tell them who had people swinging from the trees?
It's Democrats.
It was the Democrat Party.
Won't you tell them that?
They initiated all the swinging.
And they were, they had white Republicans swinging from trees.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You left that out.
You should have.
That was very important and significant.
You should have mentioned that.
But this is the thing.
The last reported swinging in Ohio was in 1932.
Hold up now.
1932.
She said she saw someone swinging in the 50s.
When she was a kid.
So she was born in 1949 or 1950, depending on her age.
She's 76.
So let's just say she was born in 1950.
That's 18 years since the last swinging.
And she would have been probably around, what, eight, 10 years old or something like that?
Right.
So I would think it happened around, let's say she was eight.
Let's just say she was eight or nine.
So it was in 1958, 1959.
But the last one, the last swinging was in 1932, according to ChatGPT.
And that was reported by the NAACP and the Tuskegee Institute.
Yeah.
So I think she either.
She might just be another lying black woman.
They don't all lie.
Yeah, a lot of black women lie all the time.
I've dated a few.
They lie about everything.
They lie about being pregnant.
They lie about everything.
They lie about they ain't got no boyfriend.
They single.
Everything that comes out of a black woman's mouth is a lie.
They will even tell you they was a little kid and he saw somebody swinging from a tree.
Yeah.
Those are racist.
Yeah, you on the show, man.
Why you even had to go there?
It's almost like y'all perpetual victims.
It's like y'all celebrate.
I seriously doubt you saw a Negro swinging from a tree.
And it's not, I'm not laughing at that.
It's just that I'm laughing at how y'all just want to be a victim.
Yeah.
They didn't bring you on this show to talk about people swinging.
They want to celebrate, pretty much, you know, celebrate your career.
Yeah.
And how you were a pioneer for black women.
Yeah.
And the obstacles you face.
You told them about you walking home one day, y'all skipping from tree to tree, going up on the trees, getting shade, and then mama said, no, don't look.
The Problem With Perpetual Victimhood00:02:53
Don't look, teeth.
Somebody's swinging over there.
It's like, but this is the grew up in Martinsville, Virginia.
Yeah, very rural.
Jim Crow South, right?
And once a year, the Klan would come to our city and have a parade.
They would march down the center of our town we grew up in.
Mama always talked about race.
And mama was, of course, black woman, and she always talked about racism.
And she never shared a story of seeing somebody swinging when we grew up in the Jim Crow South.
Now, she shared plenty of stories being called the N-word.
Yeah.
Yeah, but nobody swinging.
Yeah, my mama was like maybe eight, nine years older than her if she was still alive today.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not calling a liar, but what she's saying is very suspect.
It's almost like it's intentional.
Well, it's an ulterior motive behind what she's saying.
Everybody knows black and white people were being lynched in rural America in the southern states.
But these were done by Democrats against Republicans.
Yeah, but there is a memorial.
I'll look them up.
It says two memorials in Ohio.
Okay.
According to ChatGPT, there's one in Dayton, Ohio, and there's one in Marion, Ohio.
And it was the one in Marion, it was established in 2019, and it was that last confirmed swinging of a black man.
The one in 1932.
There is a memorium for that.
Says unnamed Negro.
And it just says unnamed.
They don't even know the guy's name.
How do you not know a man's name in the 30s?
I don't know.
This is the only permanent publicly installed memorial plaque in Ohio.
So there is a memorial there, a memoriam for 1932, but that's way before.
Man, she was born in 1949 at the earliest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you got?
A DeLorean and you went back in time.
You hit 88 miles an hour and you check that out or something?
You got a flex capacitor?
Yeah, man.
I just.
I don't think they let black people time travel back.
They didn't let them own buses.
They let them go on base houses.
So why are they going to elect you in a flex capacitor?
What do you call it?
DeLorean?
DeLorean, yeah.
Yeah, I don't mean to make light of what you perceived or what you think you saw, but I don't know.
Maybe your mama's playing a trick on you or something.
I don't know.
Who knows?
According to the information that's available, you're a liar.