Governor Gavin Newsom and the Hodgetwins clash over Charlie Kirk's appearance, with the guest accusing the host of racial betrayal for discussing politics across skin colors. Tensions escalate as profanity erupts, including slurs against Black women and insults toward Trump, while debates rage over DEI, CRT, and election strategies in Nevada and New Mexico. Ultimately, the heated exchange highlights deep fractures within Democratic messaging and the volatile intersection of race, rhetoric, and political ambition in modern discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
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Criticism Over Charlie Kirk00:06:39
Talked about your podcast and you talked about having Charlie Kirk on there, Steve Bannon.
And there were a lot of people who were critical about the decision to have them on your podcast, specifically the first guest being Charlie Kirk.
And I think a lot of the criticism was kind of like...
That's so stupid because Charlie Kirk represents the majority of the country.
So you're just going to disregard half the country and you want to become president.
You want to be governor?
You want to disregard 50% of your potential constituents.
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.
And she's confirming, validating the liberals' perspective.
They're no longer liberal.
Except calling them liberals.
They're progressive.
They don't believe in freedom of speech.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are we, there's this line of are you platforming right-wing voices or are they on there for you to challenge some of the things that they they promote or they fight for?
And I guess the question I would ask you is where we are right now, I've heard you talk about it.
Our democracy is at stake.
That's how we feel.
We feel hopeless.
We feel desperate.
Is it the right time to democracy is at stake, but they want to silence the other 50% of the country.
Platform those voices if you're not particularly challenging them.
And the reason I say that is because when you just spoke about DEI with us and CRT, there was a passion there.
You know, you laid out exactly how you feel about it.
But when I listened to that podcast with Charlie Kirk, it was more of a, he was talking.
There wasn't necessarily a challenging or a pushback.
What would you say to people who are critical about having voices like that on your podcast if you're not going to necessarily challenge them or speak about it in the way that you're going to be able to do that?
We should say that we are those voices, by the way.
We are.
Well, I mean, I'd say that was not the point of the podcast.
I opened the podcast saying this, if you're tuning in to tune up the back and forth, watch prime time cable.
That's not why I did the platform.
That's not why I did the podcast, but to suggest a platform, I had zero viewers, zero.
Who's platforming whom when I had Charlie on?
By the way, he was the one who said yes and flew out first.
It wasn't my intent to have back-to-back-to-back sort of hardcore right.
But divorce, I've said this, divorce is not an option.
We have to find the terms of our future.
He exists.
I could turn my back and act like he doesn't exist, but he, you know, until the tragic, I mean, the unacceptable tragic assassination, his, he, he was promoting, what he was promoting was making real inroads with young folks and college campuses.
He was here at USC right before.
In fact, I think the day or two before he came up for the podcast, he was down here and I saw these unbelievable crowds.
I mean, that was real in the work that he was putting out and what he was able to achieve for Donald Trump was real.
And you could deny it.
We could dismiss it.
But I thought it was important to understand it.
And I'll tell you, the overwhelming majority of people didn't even know who the hell he was.
Who's this guy you have on there?
Yeah, now everyone knows, but I'm just.
A lot of people knew who Charlie was.
Hey, Kevin, Governor Newsom made a great point.
I had zero followers.
Who's platforming who?
Yeah.
He brought a lot of viewers over to Gavin Newsom when he did that podcast with him.
And probably the main reason why he didn't provide any pushback is because he couldn't.
Because the majority of the policies is coming from the right, they're sound logically and it just makes sense.
He had nothing to refute those.
Yeah, Democrats' ideas cannot stand up to scrutiny.
They can't withstand scrutiny.
So he's not going to offer any pushback.
He can't.
Yeah.
You can't say four plus four equals eight.
And then you can't, this is what I'm trying to say.
Charlie Kirk can't come say four plus four.
Let me calm down.
Charlie Kirk can't say four plus four is eight.
And he come back.
No, it's not.
It's eight and a half.
You can't.
That's how dubbed the ideas are.
Yeah.
I'm honestly, you know, I'm trying to be a civil guy.
And my pod, the purpose of my podcast is not to get in debates.
I have no energy for that.
That's what I do 24-7 the rest of the damn week.
I want to.
That's dumb.
You're having a right wing, a popular white-wing advocate come on your podcast and you're not going to debate him.
How are you going to win elections if you don't refute and debunk his positions on anything?
What's the point?
Yeah, that makes sense, but especially if you're asking the left to vote for you, that would be a stupid approach to your podcast.
They want to see you just destroy Charlie Kirk.
That's what they want to see.
Yeah, but you can't.
Create a space where I can start to understand.
He wants to understand the right.
Yeah.
He understands right.
Everybody understands right.
Even the left understands right.
Yeah.
They just don't agree with.
He just, yeah, yeah.
I'm glad we're having this conversation.
And because this is, this is what you're talking to a black woman and you're talking to a black man.
Who cares?
Yeah, yeah.
Who cares if what color your skin is?
It's the year 2025, and this is how majority of black people think.
Y'all sound like black supremacists.
It doesn't, it has nothing to do with your skin color.
What about white man?
You're talking to a white man and a white woman.
How dare you?
Yeah, this is disrespectful.
You are traitor to your race.
That is stupid.
You talk to a black man and a black woman.
Yeah.
You're talking.
Not relevant.
Yeah, you're talking to Americans.
Yeah.
Just leave it at that.
Having these you talked about Charlie Kirk.
And, you know, while the assassination of Charlie Kirk was a terrible thing, the Charlie Kirk that I heard was impugning black women.
Pretty disgraceful and disgusting things.
He said.
Right.
So that to me.
What did he say about black women?
And why don't y'all share that content during the podcast?
Yeah.
So you can point out how disgusting Charlie Kirk was.
Yeah, but he wasn't disgusting.
They take his word, words out of context.
They use words that doesn't describe him.
Yeah.
One of his best friends is a black woman.
Idiots.
While we are.
Yeah, when he started Turning Point, that was his right-hand man.
She was always up on stage with him.
And I still think they were pretty close after the fact.
Yeah.
They had their little breakup.
Having conversation has to be challenged.
And the entire world has to know that's a lot.
Missing Half The Country00:05:01
Yeah, I get it.
Look, I mean, I gave you specific examples of me challenging, including social studies books and these specific actions that others have taken and the censoring of historical fact and the rewriting of history.
And you can't go a day without seeing me attacking those goddamn things and standing up for the black and brown community in this state.
You can't go a day.
Take a look at my feed.
Look at my social media.
He sounded just like Joe Biden, dude.
You took the Lord's name in vain.
You trying to become president?
Look at me in these conferences and what I'm doing and saying.
Look at the bills I'm signing in this respect.
Again, with respect, my podcast is a place where I'm just trying to mine the other side and understand what's going on for one reason.
I want to understand those I disagree with because I want to get better and I want to be smarter.
Well, you're not getting better.
You're not getting smarter.
You're not understanding half the country.
You don't even debate half the country.
Yeah.
Very easy issue that's going on in California is men and women sports.
That's low-hanging fruit.
You can't solve that problem?
I want to win.
These guys won.
They kicked our ass.
And we're dealing with the tyranny of this administration every goddamn day.
And so for me, it's about power.
Taking back our power.
It's not about punditry and it's not about having a goddamn candlelight vision.
Three times.
You still want to be president.
You potty mouth governor.
I mean, Trump is.
You're not going to get elected.
Trump uses the Lowell's name in vain over and over like that.
Trump has never done that.
Yeah, he calls some people SOBs.
Yeah, but he won't use the Lowell's name in vain.
Yeah, and this is a conversation to have.
There's no reason to use that language at all.
Yeah.
I'm not interested in a white paper on this shit.
I'm a practitioner.
We got to get out there.
We got to win.
I care about winning.
That's what Prop 50 is about.
It's about power.
This is going to not only rewrite history, it's over the history of this country.
We won't have a country in a year if this guy's successful.
We're at the 250th anniversary of the founding fathers.
That's next year.
There might not be another free and fair election unless we look.
The filmmarking we heard during this last election cycle, what did Oprah say?
Yeah.
If Trump becomes president, black women ain't going to be able to vote again.
And you know what?
That would be a good thing.
No, it wouldn't.
Yes, it would.
They're horrible voters.
I would say majority of just overall women.
You know, majority of women vote for Democrats.
Yeah, but black women are far worse.
Well, yeah, they voted a 95% clear.
That is just, that's what you call just complete idiocy.
That's a money lift.
But like 60% of white women vote for Democrats.
Yeah, but it's not 95%.
I'll pick a white woman over black if it comes to vote, huh?
Yeah.
Over anything.
Win.
Back this House of Representatives.
It's that serious.
And so I want to understand their game.
I want to understand how they're operating.
It's coming because we got our ass kicked.
We got our ass kicked in the last election.
Why do we lose?
For all these reasons that we're too timid, that we don't have a message, that we're not on the offense, that we're not.
Man, it's not that you don't have a message.
It is your message.
Your message sucks.
And you still have not learned that, but you claim you're trying to learn from the right.
No, you're not.
Y'all are so fucked on.
How did y'all?
It's next to impossible to incentivize the American people to overwhelmingly vote for a Republican that y'all lost the popular vote.
That's how bad y'all are.
That hadn't happened in 20 years.
We won Nevada.
Republicans took Nevada for the first time.
You lost major ground in New Mexico.
California.
And you lost a lot of ground in blue states.
Yeah.
And y'all still doubling down and not changing your tune on anything.
Yeah.
Florida is blood red.
It's dark red.
It used to be purple.
Yeah.
But y'all's policies, y'all's message suck.
You need to change your message.
Yeah.
You need to be more liberal.
You need to be more moderate.
You need to be in the middle.
Yeah.
Yeah, more traditional.
This progressive message that y'all have.
No, I'm not saying y'all shouldn't stick with it.
Keep on doing it.
Let me calm down.
That progressive message is the same message that destroyed Rome.
Yeah.
Now Florida is more red than California is blue.
Yeah.
Y'all can't see the warning signs?
Nope, they can't.
Good.
America Rejects That Language00:00:24
This dude on here, I know he's running for president.
He in there dropping GDs every, yeah, you think that's cool for the black folks.
Yeah.
But majority of America don't like that language.
Yeah.
They're like an SOB here now and then.
Maybe an F-word, but it's got to make sense.
You and it is cussing for no, you used a horse name in vain three times.
That's nuts if you run for president in the United States of America.