President Trump's executive order banning flag burning sparked the arrest of combat veteran Jay, who was detained for four hours by Secret Service and Park Police after lighting a fire in a park to protest. While one host argues the act violated fire codes rather than the First Amendment, the other questions if political motivations mirror past social media bans, noting that burning identity flags like those of Israel or the LGBTQ community remains illegal. Ultimately, the incident highlights the tension between patriotic expression and public safety laws, leaving uncertainty over whether charges will be dropped despite the veteran's release. [Automatically generated summary]
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Patriotism vs. Executive Orders00:03:47
Here come DEI.
Our constitutional rights.
I'm not putting it out.
I can burn it.
My right.
Executive order that President Trump put forward today.
According to that executive order, I can be imprisoned at the same time.
Second thing is to show that this president and his lackeys do not believe in the First Amendment rights.
You simply burn a flag within what, a two-foot circle on brick and you get detained.
Broke the law.
You broke the law.
This is your name.
We're going to walk down the street.
Jay.
Jay!
Think about remembering your oath.
Yeah, when Trump signed that executive order, I was like, why are you doing this?
You can't do that.
No, it's like, you can't overrule the Supreme Court.
You can't do that.
Yeah, even just because your name is Trump doesn't mean you trumped the Supreme Court.
No, but seriously, this is what the left did to Trump.
They silenced him.
They banned him from all social media.
He couldn't even defend himself over January 6th.
Of all the presidents, he's the one president should understand that.
Right.
I understand this is disrespecting.
A lot of people see it as disrespect.
It's disrespectful.
Yeah, but it's sacred.
The flag is sacred.
I would never do that.
But Kelvin, we don't live in North Korea.
Right.
And I would never do anything.
I would burn the flag.
What?
I would burn it.
You burn the flag and it'll be the last day you live.
No, I'll tell you what.
You ain't going to disrespect the Hodge last name.
No, no, no.
Under certain circumstances.
Like y'all said, little big circumstance.
Trump in jail.
I'll be out in front of the White House and Kamala's in the White House.
I'd probably, I wouldn't say I would burn down the White House, but I would burn a flag right there in front of the White House.
Yeah, yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
This doesn't make any sense to me why Trump would do that.
They should know better.
They censored him.
Why?
If all the presidents, I would have thought somebody on the left would do this.
Not somebody on the right.
What's another situation where I'd burn the flag?
If Kamala won the election, I'd burn the hell out of the flag.
Because I know that election's stolen.
Under certain circumstances, I think it's patriotic to burn the flag.
When you see like all this corruption in our government here in America, I would burn the flag.
But there's a negative connotation of burn the flag because it's lost its old meaning because you've got so many people on the left burning flags for stupid stuff like, oh, you won't let me chop my kids off.
And they burn the flag.
You see what I'm saying?
Oh, you're deporting my uncle.
I'm going to burn the flag.
Right.
Yeah, but when you burn the flag, I mean, it's a disgraceful act, but it's supposed to be for some heinous things the government has done to you.
Under certain circumstances, I'm all for burning flag, like the circumstances I came up with.
You know why you for burning flag?
Because you believe in freedom of speech.
Yeah, I think from what I hear, this guy's a 20-year combat.
Yeah, he's a veteran.
Burning the Flag in America00:07:44
Veteran?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But there's a video of him.
They let him go.
Yeah.
They have to let him go.
Well, Trump signed it again at order.
One year in jail, mandatory.
Yeah, Trump trying to get the government sued is what he's trying to do.
Even though the Supreme Court has set a precedent when it comes to burning flag, if it's not unlawful, the act of burning a flag is not against the law.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me show you this video of the guy that let him out.
Here we go.
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Now, I've seen this guy.
Yeah, he's a batch.
He is far left.
He's a Democrat.
Yeah.
And I think he's probably a Democrat, too.
Oh, he most definitely is.
But I actually agree with Democrats on this.
Let's see what they got to say, too.
I do too.
He's out.
Okay, so if you saw the video earlier of the veteran that was burning the flag in protest of Donald Trump's executive order, this is him.
He's out of jail.
So walk us through.
You got picked up my secret service, been what?
Yep.
Got searched, handcuffed, put in the back of one of their rides, sat there for a while.
They were arguing with Park Police on who had jurisdiction.
I can totally see that happening.
Don't that's our jurisdiction.
Do us out.
Finally had jurisdiction.
They put me in the back of their car.
This car to ride in the back of it, by the way.
Wound up back over at their holding sale or D cell, as they call it, D1.
Yeah, you're a district one.
Yeah, District 1.
I found out.
You know, they felt the need to search me three times.
So, what, three, four hours?
Yeah, four hours.
It's been about four hours.
Just do it.
So, four hours.
And then.
So, what did they eventually charge you with?
They charged me with lighting a fire in a park.
They didn't.
I told you.
You can burn the flag so long as there's no other if it's lawful.
If you're in the park, well, fires are banned or lighting the fire or setting the fire or protesting and using fire.
Yeah, you can protest.
You can burn the flag.
But if there's other penal codes for that area, like a park, you can't create a fire in a park.
Even though the act you're doing is lawful, like burn the flag, that's against the law.
And that's why he wasn't arrested for burning the flag.
Well, let's keep watching.
You jumping to conclusions.
No, keep watching.
They arrest that man because he set a fire in a park.
So what's your what you make sure everybody understands your message?
Why did you do this to begin with?
I did this in protest of what Donald Trump did with that executive order saying that it was illegal to burn an American flag.
He can't make orders.
I want to put it to the test.
So I did.
You're not in jail for a year.
I'm not in jail for a year.
But you got a criminal record.
Well, I think they're going to drop that.
They're not going to drop that.
He said a fire in the park.
They got him dead to rights.
Why would they drop that?
Do you think Trump's going to drop that?
I think they are.
No, he's not.
He's going to make an example out of him.
No, but see, this is the thing.
What's that saying?
It goes something like the biggest cross cities in this world has been the road.
Okay, this is what it is.
The road to hell has been paved with good intentions.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Right.
I mean, Trump has good intentions.
Yeah.
But it's a slippery slope.
Like, okay, if you set this president as a conservative president, you just put, if Democrats get back in power, what are they going to do?
Yeah.
It sets a bad precedent if everybody just falls in line with this.
This is not China or North Korea.
Yeah, and all of us should be very disappointed in President Trump.
I don't regret my vote, not one bit.
He's did some great things so far.
A lot of things I don't agree with, but so far, so good.
I'm just going to let the other things play out.
But this, this is a big no-no.
Yeah.
He should know better.
I mean, honestly, I would, man, Trump lost that election.
Yeah.
Or if let's say he was unalive that day, right?
And then they did this investigation and do you see that the CIA is a woman and he saw all these women on there on the Secret Service.
And then you see like the citizens pointing out there's somebody on the roof.
There would have been a huge conspiracy if he died, right?
Right, right.
Right.
I'd have been out there burning flags everywhere.
Yeah.
All the Republicans getting banned off of social media.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be a good time to burn the flag.
I mean, you can actually burn the American flag respectfully.
Yeah.
If you have some protests, because you're burning it because that flag does not represent what it's supposed to stand for.
That's why you burn it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't like that executive order.
And that executive order Trump signed, either he's virtue signaling or he's lost his marbles.
I think he's virtue signaling.
Well, it's because he can't even.
I think that.
I think some federal judge, it's illegal to burn the Israeli flag.
Right, because it's part of Jewish identity.
Yeah.
They say it's part of someone's identity, Jewish identity.
So you can't burn the Israeli flag.
So you cannot burn the Israeli flag.
You can't burn the LGBTQ flag either because it's part of somebody's identity.
Yeah.
The only way they can outlaw you burn the American flag is if you can say that's American.
Well, if you can burn the American flag, why can't you burn Israeli flag?
You can't or LGBTQ flag.
That's because they get preferential treatment.
I know.
I don't believe in preferential treatment.
How can that be American first if you can burn the American flag?
You can't burn the American flag, but you can't burn other flags.
Yeah.
I think it's freedom of speech.
All of it should be freedom of speech.
You damn right it should be.
But so I ask y'all this.
If that horrible hypothetical I came up with about that day when Trump was at his rally, that's a perfect time to burn the American flag.
Yeah, because obviously if that goes through and they're successful and he's unalive, you know the government was in on it.
Right.
I would burn an American flag.
Right.
I really would.
Yeah, yeah.
But some people, no matter how bad things get, no matter how bad things get, they would look at the flag as something sacred that you don't desecrate.
Well, I'm not trying to disrespect the flag or the people that fought for our freedoms.
I'm standing up for the people who lost their life giving me those freedoms.
And now that flag doesn't represent what these people died for.
So hell yeah, I'm going to burn it because it no longer represents what all these people died for.
Yeah.
You know what?
I'm a damn patriot.
You know that?
Yeah, I know you're a patriot.
But I'm telling you that Trump's administration is not going to let them drop that.
Well, they better.
I don't think that's.
No, he broke the law.
He created a fire in a park.
That's dangerous.
No, he could have killed somebody.
No, no, hold up.
Let me go back to that.
You saw dangerous that was?
Hold up.
People could have caught on fire.
No, that.
Yeah, people could.
No, okay, come on.
That's a park.
You can't do that.
The act alone is okay.
It's not against the law.
Even though Trump signed an executive order, but he broke another law.
You created a fire, you set fire in a park just against law.
Dangerous Fires and Legal Risks00:01:08
No matter if that's covered under free speech or not.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think Trump is going to.
I get it.
He's going to put too much pressure on the judicious system.
So this is a park.
Yeah, it's considered a park, yeah.
Man, come on, man.
It ain't no damn park.
Well, just because you're going to see swings and...
Well, I see some trees and everything.
So everywhere is a park.
It's a park.
You go walk around the monuments and stuff around.
Yeah, it's a park.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I think they should drop everything.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I don't blame the guy for burning the flag.
Yeah.
He thinks that that flag doesn't represent the America that was promised to everybody.
Yeah.
But the problem is you're just too far left.
The act of you burning that flag, I totally in agreement with you.
I would never do it.
It had to be some extentuating, some horrible circumstances for me to burn the flag.