John Brown and Arlisa Goldsmith dissect the shooting of Joseph Hall by Jaden Harris in Sanford, Florida, stemming from a traffic dispute. They debate racial statistics, claiming Black people commit 50% of violent crimes despite being 12-13% of the population, while speculating on Harris's lack of remorse and "black fatigue." Ultimately, their heated exchange highlights deep societal fractures regarding race, media portrayal, and criminal justice perceptions. [Automatically generated summary]
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Minor Traffic Leads to Shooting00:10:32
First up, a minor traffic issue and a bad decision.
That's what police say led to a shooting last night that cost a 43-year-old man his life.
Thanks for joining us in 6.
I'm John Brown.
And I'm Arlisa Goldsmith.
The accused shooter was actually surprised to find himself in cuffs.
Fox 35's Chris Lindsay joins us live tonight.
So, Chris, what led to this deadly interaction?
Well, the man told investigators the car in front of him was going too slow, so he tried to pass.
That started a back and forth between the two drivers.
Words were exchanged, and moments later, shots were fired.
24-year-old Jaden Harris, distraught after learning he'll be in jail until his arraignment, charged with second-degree murder after what the Sanford police chief is calling a minor traffic issue, ended with evidence markers scattered across the ground outside view on Lake Monroe apartments.
God, this dude's looking at him.
Yeah.
You get what the judge is saying?
He's a depraved individual.
Yeah.
Well, at least he didn't get him for first degree.
They said without premeditation.
According to court documents, Harris told detectives 43.
Look at that mudshot.
Does that look like an innocent person?
Who takes a mudshot with his chin like this?
Yeah, he doesn't have the common decency to comb his hair.
Well, that's a cultural thing, Kelly.
No, walk around with knots.
That's a style?
Yeah, it's a style.
Mean you're not too hip on black culture.
That looks like he's walking around with knots in his head.
Well, that's a, they call it three-year-old Joseph.
No, no, no.
There's dreadlocks.
I understand that.
I'm familiar with that.
I'm familiar with twist braid.
I think that's twist.
That's neither.
That's twist.
One of those.
That ain't twist.
Those are knots.
No, he twisted.
That's somebody is too lazy to comb his hair.
All right, whatever.
Hall was driving slowly in front of him.
And when he tried to pass him, he claims Hall tried to hit him.
So Harris followed, trying to get a picture of his license plate.
Okay, you're going to follow somebody's threatening you, thinking you should have picture this license plate.
Yeah, okay, buddy.
Eventually, the two came to a stop at an apartment complex, and he says Hall boxed him in.
The two got out of their cars and began to argue.
Harris claims Hall lunged at him, but witnesses told officers they saw Harris run to Ward Hall, firing shots as he was running away.
Police Chief Cecil Smith says Harris had several opportunities to drive away from the incident as he followed Joseph, who was attempting to drive away.
Yet Harris continued to follow Joseph unnecessarily, which ultimately led to Harris killing Joseph.
Again.
That dude, I can tell, I'm pretty sure the other drivers are white and they don't want to show his try to show that he killed a white man.
But that person, that guy who unfortunately lost his life, I guarantee you, he tried to park and just tried to get away from him.
Yeah.
He wanted him to drive by.
Harris is being held without bond.
His arraignment is set for October 7th.
Reporting live in Sanford, Chris Lindsay, Fox.
Yeah, the, what was his name?
The guy's name?
They said it.
Joseph Morris Hall.
Joseph Hall.
That was his name.
Right.
But they don't show any pictures.
Well, I would think he's probably white.
Yeah, he's white.
Just wanted that showing a picture.
You think so?
Of course.
You think he's black?
That was his vehicle.
What's that?
A keep on?
Truck?
A raised truck?
This is like a raised truck.
With big tires.
Yeah, he's more likely he's white.
Look how many rounds were fired.
That's for rounds?
And there's no mention that the other driver, the one who lost his life, had a weapon.
Guarantee it's a white guy.
Well, I would convict this dude just on his mudshot.
Yeah.
He looks like an idiot.
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What was his name again?
Convince Harris told detectives 43-year-old Joseph Hall was driving slow.
Joseph Hall was his name.
I'm going to do a quick search and see if I can find Joseph Hall.
Joseph Hall.
Usually, man, when there's a serious crime, they always have an image of the victim of that crime.
Right.
Some odd reason they don't have a picture of the victim.
All right, so this is Joseph Hall 12 found responsible.
So this is something else.
This is another Joseph Hall.
He happens to be white as well.
There's a picture of Jaden Harris.
Yeah, there's a picture of him.
Click.
Well, that just goes to that.
Okay.
What's this?
Florida Man Shootskills person.
Huh.
Wonder what.
You think that's him?
Florida Man Shootskills person in Road Rage Incident says Grava was blocking me.
Arrest report.
So click visit and it goes to this story.
It goes to this story.
Now, is it another image of that same person?
It looks like his mother or grandmother?
No.
Well, you can't rely on that.
That dude's behaving like when he found out he's not getting bailed.
He's like shocked that he's not getting bailed.
And he's upset that he's not getting bailed.
He's not upset that.
Yeah, he took someone's life.
Guarantee, how many bodies do you think this dude's responsible for?
This ain't the first someone this brazen over something so trivious driving too slow and he said he tried to pass.
I don't think he was ever trying to pass.
I think he was behaving stupidly.
So you're speculating that he's got other bodies on him.
Oh, he's.
Of course.
And I know he's probably got multiple felonies on his record.
He's going to be already locked up.
Now a man's dead.
Well, they don't say anything about his pride record.
Yeah.
But then again, they don't show the picture of the victim neither.
I wonder why.
I'm pretty sure it's because he's white.
Yeah, but I did a search on it and nothing really.
Nothing comes up.
Yeah.
That's where you can't find a picture of the victim.
Well, of course, Kelvin, if he's white, why would they show that?
Right.
Now, if the roles were reversed and it was a white driver and he did to a black kid, oh, the whole country would be burning down right now.
Yeah.
And they'll be calling it for what it is.
But that's not what happened.
So they got to hide what's happening.
Right.
Well, if you're white, you understand that you're being hunted down by blacks.
Blacks have...
We already made this determination that we're being hunted down by our own people.
We are the biggest purveyors of the most serious crimes in America.
I mean, whenever there's a heinous crime, it's always us.
Not always, Kevin.
The majority of the time.
Well, 50% of the violent crime in this country is committed by us.
Which is crazy.
Because we only make up 12, 13% of the population.
That is nuts.
Yeah.
If whites committed that's.
That in itself is a hasty generalization, but it's true.
Yeah, but it's like an oxymoron.
Yeah if, how can that be possible?
12 13 population account for over half of the majority crime in the country.
That is crazy.
They account for like 52 of the people being arrested for murder.
Yeah, not convicted, but arrested for murder.
So it shows you, it kind of gives you a glimpse of what's going on now.
If white people committed in proportion based on the population in this country, they should be committing 70% of the violent crime in this country.
Now, if whites committed crime on the level of blacks, they will commit 98% of the crime in this country.
What is that again?
If white people committed crimes proportionally to what blacks commit in this country, if you take that statistic of based on that 13%, 50% of the crime, if whites at 7% of the country committed crime at the rate that blacks do, they will commit 98% of the crime in this country.
I'm probably off by a few percentage points.
But who cares?
You're still over 90%.
Oh, you got to be 90%.
If 13% is committing 50% of the 70%, you'll be committing 130% of the violent crime.
Well, we commit about half.
White people commit like around, it's like 40, like half.
Yeah, you're right.
It would be over 90%.
If you combine white and black together, it'll be over 90%.
No, but I'm saying, no, you get what I'm saying.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
If white people committed crime at the rate of blacks.
Yeah, per capita, you're trying to say.
Per capita, whatever the hell you want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Per 100,000 people.
Yeah, not even per capita.
50 per capita out of it.
Black people commit 50% of the violent crime in this country.
Right.
They only make up 13% of the population.
If whites committed crime at that same rate because they're 70% of the population, they would account for 99% of the crime.
That's not even without counting black crime.
Yeah, that's just whites alone.
Yeah.
White people would beat them to it, I would think.
What a crazy, sad story.
And we're speculating if the victim's white, but come on.
That dude is one.
I mean, this dude is evil.
He says you don't get bail.
He's all man, don't get bailed.
Like he has absolutely, he just has no remorse for what he did.