Joe Gruden resigns after leaked emails from his ESPN days reveal racially insensitive remarks, including comparing DeMaurice Smith's lips to Michelin tires and using the slur "queers." While hosts defend him as a "good white man" whose private chats were unfairly exposed, they argue Black figures face higher scrutiny than white counterparts. The discussion critiques ESPN and the NFL for hypocrisy regarding free speech and diversity, suggesting double standards drive the controversy rather than Gruden's actual conduct. Ultimately, the episode highlights how past private messages can derail careers while sparking debates on racial bias in media accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
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Homophobic Slurs and Context00:14:50
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I didn't even know Tulsa was in Oklahoma.
I thought it was in Kansas.
Anyway, John Gruden.
Man, they're attacking all the great white men out there.
Hey, white man, y'all know y'all in an attack, right?
I mean, if y'all didn't know that, I wouldn't say nobody's really great.
He's probably a good dude.
What are you talking about?
He's a great white man.
What you talking about?
Dude's been in the league.
Dude's a good man.
I'm sure he's a good dude, man.
He's not like a criminal.
I mean, y'all actually in the NFL, y'all got criminals.
Felons.
I don't hear nobody talking about them.
Y'all got some people in the NFL that's facing like...
John Gruden ain't doing all that.
Okay, so the head coach of Las Vegas Raiders, he resigned yesterday because of some emails came out.
He actually resigned over some emails he sent 11 years ago.
That's like that movie, Friday.
How you get fired on your day off?
That type of logic.
Friday's like, how do you get fired on your death?
How do you get fired for something you emailed 11 years ago?
That's like me working at McDonald's.
I get fired for calling the cashier off.
Right?
I go apply at Burger King six years later to say, hey, I got to let you go.
I heard you was working at McDonald's and you caught the cashier the F-word.
Same thing.
I mean...
The exact same thing, right?
Right, so let me pull up.
He resigned.
This is what happened.
First I heard about it was yesterday.
He called some black dude, said he had lips the size of.
What did he say?
He said Michelin ties.
He was, I mean, I guess it's racial.
Give him some big ass lips.
I guess the NFL PA, his name's DeMaris Smith.
Yeah.
DeMaurice.
You pull up a picture of him right here.
Right.
But anyway.
Man, he's got average lips, man.
That's average lips for a black man.
That's average.
My lips are bigger than his.
I mean, I thought it was a good thing to have big lips.
I mean, I guess people are like really offended if someone said, man, well.
How can that be offensive?
You got big lips?
Well, black people have been talking.
That's like saying, hey, you have a huge penis.
That's disrespectful.
Would have been better if John Gruden came and said, man, them black dogs, them black boys, they got huge.
They got biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest, foot-long hot dog.
Is that disrespectful?
Damarris Smith, he's so dumb.
He's got a d ⁇ big enough to hang from a tree.
I think it's still like...
That's disparaging to say you got full lips.
Because these black and he's hanging from a tree.
I shouldn't even.
But everybody wants.
Actually, I think we should start this video.
Ain't starting show.
I need to stop saying that word.
You don't want to keep making me say that word.
Stop antagonizing me.
All right, so just people are sensitive, man.
Okay, what did he actually say?
He said his lips are as big.
He said that man's lips was bigger than Michelin Ties, and he didn't call him DeMorris.
What's his name?
DeMorris?
They call him Deduck.
What is it?
De Maurice?
DeMaurice.
Yes.
I like the word, the name DeMarcus.
What's another DMARC?
I never heard of D. Morris.
That does sound stupid.
He called him DeMorris.
He has lips bigger than Michelin Ties.
That's what he said.
I mean, if Jude Gruton was black, this wouldn't be an issue, but he's white.
Or if white people are held at like a higher standard than black folks, huh?
Yeah, because like white people are superior.
Yeah.
So you got to hold them to a high standard.
A high standard.
Because they have white privilege.
So this is what he said.
DeMorris Smith has the lips the size of Michelin Ties.
See, you white.
You superior.
Yeah.
You got white privilege.
You better than other people.
So when you say stuff like that, they hold you.
To a high standard.
To a high standard.
Yeah.
But that's what I heard yesterday.
But Nassimo stuff came out.
Turns out not only is he a racist.
Well, it doesn't make racist.
I mean, it doesn't make him race.
You can say he's racial insensitive.
But you can't say he's a full-plone clan member.
You can't say that about John.
John is human.
John's a good man.
He's a good white man.
And I'm going to stand up for you, John.
It ain't perfect.
I said a lot of the same things you said.
But since I'm a nobody, nobody cares.
No, you're black.
Well, I'm self-employed, too.
They can't touch me.
They can't touch me.
I don't work for ESPN.
I work for myself.
How I'm going to cancel myself.
I'm just saying nobody's perfect.
But everybody's like on Twitter, on ESPN.
Y'all saints.
Y'all never said anything wrong.
You never said anything wrong to a close friend.
Like this conversation that's being leaked to the public, this was between two friends.
John Gruden just didn't walk in the football pregnancy.
Say, man, look at all these black people.
Lips like Michelin ties out here.
Matter of fact, I need some new Michelin Ties in my truck.
Hey, boy, let me board them lips.
No, it was between two people.
I mean, context matters.
And he also came out.
He said, if this, you know, because this is missing a little context.
Let me add some context.
John Gruden said in another quote, he said, he commonly refers to people who he think is lying.
Yeah.
He calls them rubber lips.
Right.
So he thought he was lying.
I guess he was upset at the time when he said he was upset.
He didn't like the direction that that walk out of that strike was going.
NFL strike.
The NFL strike.
So he was frustrated.
He lost his cool and he said some things that was racially insensitive.
Just so you know what happened, these emails were sent to like some guy with the Washington Red football team.
You can't call them Redskins because that's racist.
What Redskins?
Yeah, they just a Washington football team.
So an employee of them, I forget his name.
I think his name was Mike Allen.
And I forget what his position with the Redskins was, but when they were talking, John Gruden was on his private email and his friend, he was using the Washington football team's email.
The Washington Redskins email.
Say that at the time.
You can still say it.
Because at that time, it was Redskins.
Yeah.
And so that's what got him jammed up.
But now some new stuff came out.
Let me read that.
So this is why he resigned.
Gruden's messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington football team, the Washington Redskins at the time, and others while he was working on ESPN as a color analyst during Monday Night Football.
So this wasn't when he was working with the Raiders.
He was actually working for ESPN at the time.
Okay, but he also said this.
What'd he say, man?
Okay, the sports network's weekly prime time telecast of NFL games.
In the emails, Gruden called the league's commissioner Roger Goodell, a back beep.
He called him that.
He's stupid as hell for that.
Call him that and a clueless football pussy.
He called Roger Godell the F-word and a clueless football.
Y'all get it.
And then, and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then coach of the Rams, to draft queers, a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team.
So he referred to him as queers.
That's like part of the LGBTQ.
That's what Q stands for, queer.
Yeah, so I guess you can't really call him queers.
Hey, Can't Part of demographic of the LGBTQ, man.
Yeah, but I guess the Laspin?
L-G-G?
Gay.
Was it L-G?
I don't care.
I don't care.
I'm just going through the alphabet, man.
LGBT.
How you saying?
LGBTQ?
T?
What's that?
Trans?
L-B-G-T-Q.
Queer.
See?
Then Taylor did it.
I guess in the context he used queers, it's like, I guess it's saying, don't draft gay people.
I guess that's the context.
Get the hell off.
Let me see it.
Let me read it.
The hell off me.
Let me read it.
It's my damn phone.
Let me read it.
Let me read it.
No, I'm reading it.
We'll read it again when he says queer then.
How you say it?
Today.
And said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams to draft queers, a reference to Michael Smith, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.
So he's saying that Roger Goodell, the league commissioner, was pressuring Jeff Fisher to draft Sam because he was gay, queer.
Yeah.
Yeah, it looks staged.
Think about it.
Now, looking back on it.
Yeah, it was staged.
It sounds like the NFL commissioner, the coach of the Rams, all of them was like...
Yeah, let's do this.
That was staged.
It makes sense now.
Yeah.
Because he was drafted in the seventh round.
I was looking up last night.
He's not even in league no more.
A lot of people think he shouldn't have never even been drafted.
That is wrong.
He went to the Cowboys, too.
He was on the practice team.
He didn't make the Cowboys.
He was on the practice team.
Yeah.
But that is wrong when you say the elites of the NFL is going to force another team.
That's what he said.
We don't really know what happened.
What are you trying to say?
John Gruden is alive?
No, I'm just saying.
I don't know the context of why this.
He just told you context, man.
They forced that man to draft that gay football clip.
All right, let me read some more emails that came out.
Can I read those?
Or you want to just stay on this gay?
Man, you've been in a bad mood last night.
I'm tired of talking about gay people.
What are you homophobic?
I want to read the other emails.
See people too, man.
I didn't say they wasn't people.
You just tired of that gay stuff.
I'm tired of all the gayness.
I want to read these other emails.
Can I do that?
Go ahead, man.
That dude looks staged, though.
In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reed, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired.
Oh, he protested, huh?
Yeah, in several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell.
Okay, I already said that.
Okay, get over it.
I mean, in the context that he used it, it wasn't meant to be because you're gay.
It's like meant to the F-word is used by a lot of people to refer to like a moron, an idiot.
Yeah.
I mean, are you gay?
How is it still a gay slurry if he's not even referring to another gay person?
That's usually how it works.
A couple gay guys kiss him.
I come out.
Man, you nasty effing f ⁇ .
That's how it works.
Yeah.
That's not what happened.
Again, this is just a message between two friends.
Yeah, it was never meant to be me to hurt anybody.
Some would say this is an invasion of privacy.
Well, his idiot friend was on the company email.
I know, but it's still private.
Okay, here's some more.
But Gruden's behavior.
It's not limited to.
Shut up.
It saved Hillary Clinton.
She delete all her emails.
Hey, I love it.
See, you know what I'm starting to see, man?
There's different rules for different folks.
Hillary got away with it.
She deleted all her emails.
Yeah, that was...
That was a lot of emails, Keith.
Ain't nobody did nothing to Hillary.
Stop pissing me off.
Let me read this.
Why you have to bring that?
I just got over that shit.
But Gruden's behavior was not limited to 2011.
Gruden exchanged emails with Alan and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms.
Include one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.
Hey, John, if there's any, if it makes you feel better, I'm guilty of all that.
I mean, just bikini pictures.
I send porn pictures.
So men, like, men can't do that no more.
Hey, man, look at this girl over here.
I'm going to send it to you.
Oh, yeah, she's hot.
Look at her ass.
Look at her pretty face.
I like her big full lips, too.
Oh, look at these chests.
They big as Michelin ties.
Yeah, look at her chest.
I know it's fake, but it still looks nice.
Oh, man, I wish I could meet her.
That's what he resigned over.
I mean, what's wrong with that?
Women, do y'all realize how men talk when y'all not around?
Y'all talk the same way.
Don't even play stupid.
Y'all do the same thing.
People like, hey, did you see that guy yet?
Did you see his crotch?
It looked full down there, didn't it?
Do you see how big and round his butt was?
Boy, I bet you got some powerful thrusts.
That's why he resigned over.
Look, and photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.
I mean, I bet you every NFL player is guilty of that.
Yeah.
I mean, and y'all, like, y'all, the cheerleaders, there's no such thing as like a fat, ugly chili.
Y'all all about being woke and inclusion and equality.
Where's the fat chilies?
You got all them tens out there.
Why Players Should Resign00:11:06
Won't you put some twos out there?
If you so damn woke, won't you put a one and a half out there?
Looking straight crazy.
You ain't got to worry about men sending pictures.
Well, you know what?
I'm still going to sit a picture because I'm going to be laughing.
Oh, that's bullying right there.
I ain't bullying dance.
She ain't got to know.
It's just a private conversation.
I mean, I was on Twitter and people's like, I was just reading people's takes and like Keyshawn Johnson Trom Dance.
Like, I told you, I told everybody this guy's a horrible guy.
This makes him a horrible guy.
I mean, does he have like a criminal record?
Yeah.
I mean, there's actually criminals in the NFL.
What John has did, everybody at least one point in time in their life has done.
Everybody acts like they've never said the F-word.
I've said the F-word.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not proud of it.
Rappers get paid to say the N-word.
I mean, who hasn't said Dollf never said that?
Y'all just bunch of saints.
Y'all never said anything with a close friend.
It wasn't meant to hurt nobody.
That's just between friends.
Oh, y'all just perfect.
This shit happened 11 years ago.
That shit crazy.
That shit's crazy.
It wasn't meant to hurt anyone.
Okay, if was it wrong to have that conversation?
Oh, big deal.
I'm sorry.
Oh, God, it's horrible.
I say that now makes him a horrible person, according to Keyshawn Jones.
I want to know what I would find if I got all your text messages between your friends and your emails over the last 10 years.
What I would find.
I'd probably find dead bodies.
I'm not saying that.
That's just hyperbole, right?
That was just hyperbole.
You don't look like a killer.
I mean, y'all act like y'all a bunch of saints.
Well, you know what it says in the Bible, man.
Man, if everybody pick up the holy Bible and read it, man, we'll be so much better off.
It says in the Bible, thou without sin should cast the first brick.
The first stone.
It's brick.
I updated it.
Ain't nobody casting stones nowadays.
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody that's calling this man a criminal, that he's a horrible person, that he's an ugly person deep down inside.
Y'all did the exact same thing.
So if you've committed the exact same sins, maybe y'all, okay, maybe I assume y'all never said the F-word or you've never said anything like that.
But I guarantee you, other facets of your life, you're not perfect.
No, of course not.
So let me go to this video of ESPN.
They were talking about this.
Yeah, this is right before he actually resigned.
It was talking about his comment about, you know, that man's got lips bigger than Michelin Ties.
All right, check this out.
Obviously, there's going to be a lot of emotional responses to this.
Teddy, I hear you saying basically, if you were in that locker room today, you kind of just put your head down.
And you think of him as the leader in terms of the decision maker, but not necessarily a leader you respect.
I'm curious from your perspective.
Hey, can you pause it?
If you were in.
Hey, see, see what I'm talking about?
ESPN, y'all woke.
Okay, let's include women on this, even though they've never played football or anything like that.
But where's the fat, ugly bitches at?
Because that girl, that woman talking, on a scale of one to ten, she's a 100.
She ain't all that.
Man, you're crazy as hell.
I'm just saying, y'all pretend, like, I'm just tired.
Everybody's just hypocrites.
I got no problem with women being on there, but just say some real women, the everyday one.
I want to see a damn jaw next with like makeup to cover up all her blemishes on her face.
Hey, man, take it easy, man.
Wearing big, like, mumo stuff so it won't grab all them damn roles on the side of her.
All right, I'm done being misogynist.
Go keep locker room today.
Would you be able to play for him?
You know, to speaking of Teddy's point, you know, basically you hear us talking about we got work to do, we got a job to do, and that's to provide for our families.
And Teddy hit it right on the head of just putting your head down and going playing football.
You know, I speak about the game of football.
I fell in love with the game of football sam at six years old.
And I get emotional talking about it because of situations like this.
My civil rights were taken, were kind of messed with in high school over the color of my skin.
And now being able to play 14 years in the National Football League to have something like this of a leader.
We talk about leadership.
We give guys these big contracts because they want to be able to lead 70 men, coaches, equipment, staff, and managers.
They're white man crowds.
Like, I hope he don't find out about my emails.
They're not forward in 21st century.
Like I said, man, National Football League, this hurts me.
The clock is ticking, man.
I'm sorry.
No, I can play for you, but I'd rather not.
Rex look nervous.
I'd rather not do it.
That white dude looked nervous.
He's the coach.
Just because I have other people that I have to provide for.
But I'd rather not do it.
He's done it for years.
Rex looks like Rex Ryan's nervous.
But it's something you'd rather not do.
Yo, so Rex Ryan.
That's the white dude with the gray hair.
Yeah.
He looked nervous as hell, dude.
I mean, I don't know what Randy Moss experienced in high school.
Yeah.
But you know what's weird?
Like, when Monday played football, everybody labeled him as uncoachable.
He's a thug.
Yeah.
That's how the sports media portrayed him.
And then when he went on ESPN and I see him, he's not what I expected at all.
Yeah.
And here he is going in on, I mean, I guess Gruden did it to himself, but he wasn't, that wasn't meant to hurt anybody.
It was between two friends being assholes.
Yeah, yeah.
That's all he was.
I mean, I'm done that.
I mean, how they portrayed you when you were a football player, you're totally the direct opposite of that.
Now they're doing the exact same thing they did to you.
You're doing it to John Gruden.
I mean, he did it to himself, but you can kind of see some of the similarities.
The media is all about clicks and getting views.
Yeah.
And you know what, to be honest with you, if John Gruden was black, I don't think any of this would, I think, just have been swept on the rug, honestly.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure every time when something like this happens, who is it?
It's a white man.
Y'all act like only white people talk like this?
Yeah.
Y'all serious?
Y'all think only white people say stuff like this?
Man, crazy as hell.
If this dude was black and his lips was bigger than Michelin time, oh man.
He had some cornbraids going.
Had his hat turned back.
He's wearing a hoodie.
Wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.
Yeah.
That's all, man.
Get rid of that.
Yeah, this ain't this.
Hey, watch.
Don't use the company email for that.
You can do it on phone and personal email.
Don't do it here.
Yeah.
It's just, I just, I just tired of everybody think they saints and pretend to be saints.
This man actually resigned over some stuff he said 10, 11 years ago.
He wasn't even a coach in the NFL.
Yeah.
I wonder if ESPN is going to apologize for hiring him.
Y'all going to do that?
It's just stupid, right?
It's 11 years ago, right?
You wouldn't do that.
It's dumb.
Imagine having to resign at your current position because your former employer leaked some emails you said 10, 11 years ago.
He was doing a great job for the Raiders.
Yeah.
You got the team turned around.
The only reason why we're talking about this is because that man's white.
Yeah.
That's the way I see it, actually.
White and he's conservative, undoubtedly.
Hey, you white people, won't y'all stop being a bunch of citizens and start standing up for yourself?
Don't let these people put you down.
If I was John Gruden, I want to resign.
You have to fire me.
But he's coaching like young people paying millions of dollars.
These people are actually spoiled, spoiled people.
Yeah.
They're just going to lay down.
He's in.
They put forth the effort.
He's in a no-win situation.
He's not going to be.
I mean, he could stay there and then his team just starts sucking and giving up on him.
That's why they've just the last two games.
This stuff came out.
Yeah.
This philosophy.
You have to resign.
Yeah, you have to resign because he's actually coaching a bunch of kids.
These are young millionaires.
They don't know how good they got it.
And they're like complaining about complaining about a dude that said something 11 years ago.
Knowing damn good and well, they said far worse.
They said far worse on the way to the game listening to their radio.
I mean, there's a reason why they don't play audio from the field.
Them talking to each other?
You're going to hear players calling each other.
Cussing each other out.
Calling the F-word.
Yep.
You're going to hear all of that.
NBA games.
That's why they don't have audio on the court.
Because LeBron James is calling everybody beats the whole game.
Really?
Not really, but you're going to hear that.
Yeah, I know.
I know, I know.
That's why they don't do that.
Because the players are held to a certain extent.
But if you're white and you're a head football coach, oh man, they hold you to a higher standard.
It's just like that.
And he fulfilled that standard.
These messages and emails was between friends that never should have been leaked.
Imagine having to resign from your current position in any position, Fortune 500 company, Embayed, anywhere, right?
Because you said some shit in your house.
Because more likely, he was probably when he sent that email, he was at home in his underwear typing it.
Yeah, he's a horrible person.
Yeah, right.
He's not a horrible person.
Just made some just made a few mistakes, man.
That's all.
I mean, I agree with the majority of his head.
Who doesn't agree with that?
I mean, I think majority of NFL players would say that about him.
Yeah.
Dude's a total dick.
Now, he also said something about like female referees.
Yeah, he didn't fail.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like...
Just his opinion.
He's allowed to have an opinion.
When I'm looking at the NFL, a lot of these referees, they're attorneys, lawyers, and stuff like that, doctors.
I'm like, why do you have these people refereeing the game?
Shouldn't it be former players?
Maybe all the famous, maybe former, like a majority of these referees should be former cornerbacks.
Should be former players of the Galilee.
I don't even think like if these people, no, former players.
Like the head of the NFL should be a former player.
It shouldn't be some person with a PhD in business.
It shouldn't be Roger Goodell.
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Yeah.
That's why stuff like this happens.
That's why he said some of the things he said because he's frustrated.
Yeah.
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