Hodgetwins dissect a confrontation in Aberdeen, Washington, between transgender city council member Tessa Meskis and Vietnam veteran Don Sucher over a provocative sign regarding biological sex. While Meskis deemed the statement hurtful, Sucher defended his free speech rights by prioritizing biological fact over feelings, prompting planned protests on August 7th at 10 a.m. The hosts characterize the clash as a battle between reality and fabrication, condemning the protest as an attack on science while mocking Meskis for seeking validation rather than living her life. Ultimately, the episode champions Sucher's patriotism and free speech, framing the incident as a broader struggle against perceived left-wing censorship and intolerance toward biological truths. [Automatically generated summary]
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Validating Yourself Through Beliefs00:08:44
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So there's this.
We got two grown folks having a disagreement.
One of them's living in reality.
No, both of them's in reality.
What are you talking about?
They both here and one's not real and the other one's fake.
Yeah, one was keeping it real, one was being fake as you.
I mean, no.
I'm just.
Reality is up to the person.
Yeah, the reality is based on what you think she is.
Right, right.
So I'm going to stop being a bigot.
Yeah, stop being a bigot, man.
Need to be open-minded.
Yeah, this was...
So this happened in Aberdeen, Washington.
It's this council member.
Yeah.
I guess he recently, his name's Nate.
Used to be Nathan.
He transitioned.
Yeah.
Right here recently.
Yeah.
And I mean, this is what he looks like now.
Yeah.
Go to his Instagram.
I mean, her Instagram.
Yeah, I'm not going to put her Instagram up there because, you know, we got a bunch of bigots following us.
I ain't trying to.
A bunch of conservative bigots.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's go to her Instagram pic.
Yeah.
She transitioned.
Yeah.
What's her name now?
Tessa Messenger?
Nah, her name is Tiessa.
Just call her Tessa.
Tessa, I ain't gonna lie, man.
Go back to that first picture.
I ain't gonna lie, Tessa.
You do got some pretty eyes.
I like them earrings, too.
Them Native American earrings, ain't it?
No, man.
Yes, what they call them?
Dream catcher.
Maybe you need to wake up.
All right, I'm done looking at that picture.
Oh, I like the pigtails.
They're like Hannah bars.
That's why she's got it.
I'm sure.
See, man, that's why I need a real woman in my life.
I've been trying to get my wife to do the pigtails, man.
Yeah.
Maybe if I give you a call, Tessa, maybe you can talk to her, man.
Teach her how to be a real woman.
I told my wife that she's like, I'm too old for this.
You wear no damn pinktails?
Pinktails?
It's pigtails.
Pigtails?
Yeah, pigtails.
Pigtails.
Pigtails, sexy on a girl, man.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I like it too, man.
Hannah bars, man.
I mean, I like them, but not so much on.
Shut up, man.
Stop being a bigot.
But anyway, this council member got elected, man.
In Aberdeen as a city council member.
You either believe in democracy or you don't.
She was elected.
So give her her due.
Hey, quick cut me off.
I didn't cut you off, man.
Yeah, you did.
I was joking.
And you stay novice.
I already said all that.
I told you about this.
But anyway, for some reason, she found out about this Vietnam veteran that runs a damn Star Wars memorabilia shop.
It's got this offensive sign up, and this is what happened.
You are nuts.
You're not a woman.
You don't look like a woman.
You don't act like a woman.
The confrontation started inside.
Trans women or women.
Get a trans woman or woman.
And spilled into the street.
You are not a chick.
Aberdeen Councilwoman Tiesa Meskis confronted owner Don Sucher about a sign he posted in his store saying, If you are born with a slang for a male body part, you are not a chick.
What he wrote there was so demeaning and so dismissive of who I am and who any trans woman is.
Meskis, a trans woman, says she knows Suker has the right to say what he wants.
You're nuts.
You need to back off now.
No, you do.
But she wanted to tell him to his face it was hurtful.
I would really like them to open their eyes and their heart and see that, you know, we are people, we are who we are, and all we want to be is accepted in our community.
I don't care what they do, but don't come in here and complain to me about stuff.
I have free speech.
Suker says anyone who disagrees with him does not need to spend money at his store where that sign was still visible today.
And everybody's loved it.
Everybody's taken pictures of it.
Everybody laughs.
Not everybody loved it as we saw it.
Well, yeah.
And some people think it's hurtful.
Well, but here's the thing: I don't give a about feelings anymore.
I'm 70 and 8.
I went to Vietnam to fight for all this.
Do you think I care about some feelings?
Absolutely not.
Supporters of the council woman are planning a protest out in front of the store Saturday morning at 10.
Don Suker says he is calling on some of his backers for a show of support at the same time.
Okay, so you're going to protest this man.
Why?
Because he says if you have a penis, you're not a chick.
That's what y'all protested.
Think about that now.
You're protesting a man based on his beliefs that's rooted in fact.
Yeah.
You're supposed to protest injustice.
You might disagree with what he says, but he does have freedom of speech, and he is a privately owned business.
Yeah, and he was there minding his own business.
You went there and filmed that.
You looked for a confrontation.
You got what you wanted.
Yeah.
I mean, why would you do that?
That's like me going to a Black Lives Matter rally with an all-lives matter sign.
That's just a waste of time for everybody.
You've been better off going to a gay bar, go home with a couple dudes, bang each other out real quick, bust you a few and call it a night.
Yeah, pick up three dudes, bang the shit out of each other.
You could have used the damn Hannah bars.
He probably told you you had some pretty eyes.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, we're never going to agree on everything.
The main, I want to point this out, Tessa.
The main reason why you went down there, you disagree with his sign, and you're not really come to grips with what you are or who you are.
You're looking to validate yourself.
Yeah.
If you say you're a woman, why do you have to go down there and try to make this man believe that you're a woman?
You already think you're a woman.
Why you got to go prove to somebody else if that's what you are?
I mean, you're looking for validation.
You should have never went down there.
Yeah.
I mean, just live your life.
That's what you want.
You have the freedom to do that.
I mean, if you would have just went in that store, bought you some stiff-loaded shirts, some Star Wars memorabilia, and just walked out.
Yeah.
I don't think you would have walked in and said, get out of here, you freak.
No, no, no.
No, you went there and you confronted him about his sign and you started it.
Yeah, not everybody's going to agree with your lifestyle.
Yeah, it's bizarre.
It looks really bizarre.
Yeah.
I don't give a shit.
Out there screaming, trans women, all women, with that deep-ass voice.
That's crazy as hell to people.
I mean, you don't need them high heels.
You know why women wear high heels?
It's because they're short.
I mean, that's why Prince used to wear them.
Prince was like four foot, what, three?
He put them platform shoes.
He was five foot two.
You know what's you know what's crazy?
Yeah.
Like, you look back in like the 70s, 80s, gay men, they all, um, I'm just gay men would like dress really feminine, but they would just still call themselves.
Like, I've seen old pictures of Rick James.
I'm like, man, Prince.
And Prince, it's like, I don't know if they were bisexual or straight, but they weren't.
But they definitely bisexual.
High Heels and Platform Shoes00:07:07
Yeah.
But they were really feminine, but they always.
Prince used to wear costumes.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like they all always called themselves a man.
Yeah.
But now it's like.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's like.
Look, I tell you like this, Tessa.
You call yourself a woman.
Tessa's a name?
Tessa Messa.
I don't know.
It's Tessa.
Tessa.
Why you choose an African-American name?
Tessa's African-American.
I know plenty of black girls named Tessa.
It sounds like a slave name.
Tessa, get your ass in me.
Why didn't you wash all these damn dishes?
You crazy as hell for that one.
What's wrong with you people?
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
Let's get back to Tessa, man.
I mean, think about this.
This dude, this dude is like, what, over 70 years old?
This dude's a Vietnam vet.
He works in a Star Wars memorabilia shop.
What the hell you think was going to happen?
This dude has seen it all in his life.
Yeah, dude.
He's seen the assassination of JF Kennedy.
He saw the damn challenger blow up.
Saw the civil rights movement.
Live through eight years, Obama.
Yeah, saw the last mammoth die.
This dude has seen it.
Oh, dude, been in the Vietnam War.
You know the crazy stuff he was seen in the Vietnam War.
He is 78 years old after eight years of Obama.
Here you come prancing your seven-foot ass in the thumbnail.
I'm a woman.
That you have a nuts.
Leave the dude alone.
You're not going to change his beliefs.
They are actually rooted in fact.
I mean, I'm all for you living your life.
Yeah.
Well, that's what we are for.
I don't care.
I really.
We both don't.
Yeah, live your life.
I think both of y'all should be tolerant of each other.
Y'all, both of y'all bigots.
He got his beliefs, right?
He's making, he's using his freedom of speech to share.
You use your freedom of speech to share your beliefs.
Yeah, yeah.
Let me say that.
A bigot is somebody that's not tolerant of other people's lifestyles.
He never said you can't come in there and buy shit.
Yeah, you in there starting shit.
The dude's got a shirt on that says Sith happens.
What do you he works in a memorabilia shop for store?
He's a Vietnam vet.
Dude's like 80 years old.
What 80-year-old person puts up with anything?
Yeah.
They will cuss you out quickly.
All 80-year-olds have like Tourette's in them.
They don't give a shit.
And you think you're going to go in there and be like.
Yeah.
I mean, you big as shit.
You calves.
You got some great calves.
Yeah, you got some nice legs on you, dude.
You got some nice eyes.
You got nice legs.
You don't need them heels, though.
You can go with some platforms.
Maybe some pantyhose.
Some pantyhose.
Yeah, man.
Pantyhoes, man.
I got a thing for pantyhose.
Yeah.
You know what I like to call pentholes?
I like no, you know.
I like them pantos.
I like them pentholes that got a little turn.
Yeah, like they've been through some shit.
Yeah, that shit turned.
Yeah, like they had a hard life.
Women don't like wearing them.
Oh, man, it's got a run.
What do you call it?
Run?
I think at 60, got that turn now.
You can get some pentholes and some turns out.
Oh, but I wanted to bring this up.
You know, on Twitter, they're organized.
They're going to protest this dude's store.
And this is all over Twitter.
That's like me going to go protest a gay bar.
Hey, you better repent.
Better take that cock out of your mouth.
You're going to burn in hell for that.
No.
Nah, live your life.
Live your life, man.
Bring up the tweet.
Yeah, the look.
Look at this.
This is a great tweet.
This sums it all up, right?
Look, the woman who...
Kevin, I'm reading.
Hey, man, can I get some talk?
Oh, man, man, let me read it.
Man, this is a two-man team over here, man.
Look, let me read it, though.
I'm going to read the second one.
There ain't no second one.
There ain't no second.
I told him to send you the second one, man.
Hey, you starting to piss me off.
Look, the woman who confronted the ignorant, transformative POS.
Transphomic is transphobic.
You can't even read.
Transformic.
Ain't never heard that shit.
Let me start over.
Give me another shot, man.
The woman who confronted this ignorant transphobic POS is city councilwoman T.S. Omeskis.
This happened at the Sucher and Sun Star Wars shop in Aberdeen, Washington.
And there will be a protest outside the store on Saturday, August 7th at 10 a.m.
Okay, so the left's going to protest this guy for his belief that's rooted in biology.
Y'all protesting science.
Y'all protesting biology.
I mean, what happened to Follow the Science?
Yeah, but I understand y'all protesting him if his dude is out there seeking out trans people.
Yeah.
Screaming at him.
But y'all came to y'all went to him.
Yeah, but he's, I mean, y'all started all this.
Yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, and then the right, I'm sure people from the right's going to support the hell out this guy.
I hope some elderly people don't show up because he's going to get their ass whooped.
I thought that big trans woman was going to beat the shit out of me.
Look, back up now.
Ain't playing.
I mean, I hope some people younger than 77 show up.
Because that's going to be a bloodbath.
Damn, trans women going to beat the shit out of me.
He'll be a bunch of elderly men out there getting that ass whooped by a bunch of transgenders.
That shit going to be funny as hell.
They're going to take off that high heels, their pantoser, be choking, stabbing people with lipstick.
Hey, they're going to pull out a dildo.
Bam!
Bam!
You was like a billy girl.
That'd be great.
You just walk up as an 80-year-old man dude getting beat.
Beat down with a damn dildo.
I'm a woman.
Dude, getting beat to death.
Man, I fought for Vietnam for this.
They said, man, look at him, man.
I fought for this country.
It's Vietnam.
I got four transgenders with me beating the shit out of me with dildos that smell like butthole.
What the hell has come to my great cut?
Hey, do you believe in the Constitution?
But no, in all seriousness, I mean...
Nothing's good gonna come out of this.
Fighting for the Constitution00:02:06
Y'all protesting his beliefs, he's protesting your beliefs.
I mean, just go home.
Live your life.
If you're comfortable with who you are, you don't have to worry about what he got in his store.
Yeah, and that's the thing.
I mean, you got all the rights you need.
He's not stopping you from living your life.
Yeah.
I mean, just live your life.
Yeah, why can't we just all get along?
Who was the great philosopher that said that?
Rodney King said that.
The great black philosopher.
Rodney King.
Can we all just get along?
Yeah.
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