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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: Drone mystery - It's not about nukes

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I wouldn't say that, Kate.
	No, I mean, look, people are right to see these things and be concerned about it.
	I think what you're seeing, honestly, is the huge ecosystem of drones now really coming to light.
	I mean, maybe people just didn't appreciate how many of these things are flying in U.S. airspace every single day, and it's only going to get more.
	The numbers are only going to increase.
	Well, that's reassuring.
	The huge ecosystem means we're only going to see more drones, so people are going to be more panicky.
	Thank you, Carbull Kirby.
	I wonder why we're going to see more of them.
	We're going to give you the most likely answer, possible, and then talk to somebody who says, you know that theory about searching for nukes?
	Utter garbage.
	But that's why we're here to provide you with the truth.
	We didn't get to play an amazing part of the president's presser yesterday from Mar-a-Lago.
	We'll do that as well.
	But first, Mr. G made rather a good comment about what President Trump had to say yesterday about those drones.
	What did you say about President Trump's reply and why it means that they're not actually a threat?
	If it was something serious, he wouldn't be joking about it.
	Right, because at the end, they asked him, have you had a briefing from the intelligence community?
	He said, I'm not going to comment, which means, okay, we understand.
	Which means what?
	He knows what they are, because he said the government knows what they are, and if they were a threat, he wouldn't be hiding it from us, would he?
	No, and I think if it goes on another four or five days, he's just going to kind of say what it is without saying it.
	I think that's absolutely right.
	All right, what could it be?
	We'll tell you in a second.
	But first, let's do the long cut of the incredible...
	I mean, the president allegedly took 43 questions yesterday, from the drones to what's going to happen in the Middle East.
	He also said what?
	He said, I've just...
	Negotiated a deal for $100 million with SoftBank out of Japan.
	Billion with a B, by the way.
	And then he demonstrated, truly, live on camera, the art of the deal.
	To go, and we were discussing, and President Trump said, Masa, you know, double dollar is not enough.
	Maybe, you know, go for more, right?
	That's all right.
	I'm going to ask him right now.
	Would you make it $200 million?
	Believe it or not, he can actually afford to do that.
	Would you do that?
	Well...
	My promise is 100, but you know, he's now asking to do more.
	I think, you know, with your leadership, my partnership with you, with your support, I will try to make it happen.
	That's good.
	All right.
	200. He'll make it happen.
	200 million investors.
	He is a great negotiator.
	He's a brilliant guy and did an unbelievable job.
	And the people of Japan and all over the world are very proud of him.
	They have tremendous respect for himself.
	What he does, what he just did.
	I would be surprised if it didn't go to do it.
	When you say you'll try, I know you'll do it.
	I will really try.
	And I need your support, though.
	You'll have my support.
	All right.
	We'll have our country's support.
	Oh, fantastic.
	Thank you, Master.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You want to say hello to the people of Japan?
	Jeff, you've lived in the private sector.
	You've built stuff.
	You've sold stuff.
	How perfect is that?
	You've got the guy right next to you.
	He's just committed $100 billion.
	The world is watching.
	The guy next to him is just about to become president of the United States for a second time.
	He says, hey, dude, you want to double it?
	I mean...
	What is he going to say?
	And also, what's the point?
	You got nothing to lose.
	The guy's already committed to $100 billion.
	He's right there.
	Why not go for a little bit more?
	If you're in business and you don't understand, that is the perfection.
	I mean, there's all kinds of negotiations and prisoner's dilemma and all that garbage and the theory and the ROIs and the KPIs.
	No, no.
	That.
	Just study that 90 second for the rest of your life.
	You create the conditions, the positive conditions, where you make it nigh on impossible for the person you're working with to say no.
	You're right there.
	I'm about to be the president.
	You're in Mar-a-Lago.
	The world press is watching live.
	Hey, you're a great guy.
	I really like you.
	Why don't we double it?
	What are you going to say?
	Oh!
	Uh, no?
	You say, yeah, I'll try.
	Oh, and then say hi to the people of Japan.
	Just throw that in at the end.
	Just utter sheer perfection.
	Do we have the clip, Eric, of what the president said about the drones yesterday?
	Because let's tee that up before I read from this key article about what's really going on.
	Okay, so this is the president just went across the waterfront yesterday.
	And just pay attention to this.
	This isn't the art of the deal.
	This is the art of...
	Subtle communication.
	Read between the lines and listen to what the president is saying.
	Remember, he is the president-elect.
	He is receiving intelligence briefings.
	So from the intelligence community, listen to the president's answer.
	Can you comment on the drones that are flying around, New Jersey reports?
	It seems like the American people have a big discipline.
	The government knows what is happening.
	Look, our military knows where they took off from.
	If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage.
	They know where it came from and where it went.
	And for some reason, they don't want to comment.
	And I think they'd be better off saying what it is.
	Our military knows and our president knows.
	And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense.
	I can't imagine it's the enemy because if it was the enemy, they'd blast it out.
	Even if they were late, they'd blast it Something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really I mean they happen to be over Bedminster They're very close to Bedminster.
	I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster.
	I've decided to cancel my trip.
	Have you received an intelligence briefing on the drones?
	I don't want to comment on that.
	I don't want to comment on that.
	Right.
	I heard of this article from my friend Chris Plant this morning.
	I think it was mentioned by a caller, but I didn't catch that part of the show.
	But listen to this.
	This is from Flying Magazine.
	So flyingmag.com.
	This is last summer, 2nd of June, 2023. Jack DeLeo.
	DoD officials approve East Coast UAS and AAM test corridor.
	Huh, test corridor for what?
	New York's drone corridor has been a major boon for the state's wider aviation industry and the development of unmanned aerial systems and advanced air mobility technologies.
	So much so that its tri-state area neighbour is planning to build its own.
	On Thursday, the National Aerospace Research Technology Park, NARTP, a collection of research and development facilities located just outside Atlantic City, New Jersey, announced an agreement to develop A UAS and AAM testing corridor backed by two Department of Defense entities.
	Once complete, the corridor could foster emerging aviation technologies such as drones and air taxis.
	Later on...
	Listen to this.
	Once established, this is last summer, the corridor will be used to demonstrate, develop, and evaluate military, commercial, academic, and federally backed drone technology.
	Well, isn't that interesting?
	A drone testing corridor approved by the government in the summer of 2023 with support from the Department of Defense.
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	I like Kirby's thing.
	Well, they're being done lawfully and legally.
	He knows how to lie with that law.
	What's the cut you're getting?
	It's another Romney cut.
	Just where he caught him.
	Oh, good.
	Went off on him in 2016. With Blitzer.
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	Everybody seems to be treating him like the commander-in-chief already.
	What does it mean for the economy?
	Let's ask the man who knows.
	He used to run the business school.
	Now they bumped him upstairs.
	Senior vice president at Liberty University, former congressman Dave Brandt.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Great to be on.
	Merry Christmas, Zeb and everybody.
	God bless.
	Merry Christmas.
	I can't get enough of it.
	We're just going to do a truncated version.
	President Trump yesterday with SoftBank, CEO, who was dropping $100 billion, but the president said, nah, let's make it $200 billion.
	I'm going to ask him right now.
	Would you make it $200 billion?
	Believe it or not, he can actually afford to do that.
	Would you do that?
	Well, my promise is 100, but, you know, he's now asking to do more.
	I think, you know, with your leadership, my partnership with you, with your support, I will try to make it happen.
	That's good.
	All right.
	200. He'll make it happen.
	200 million investors.
	He is a great negotiator.
	I'll just try to add another $100 billion to the deal we just sealed.
	Congressman, senior vice president, former dean, what are you seeing in the domestic economy, in the trends overseas?
	It seems like a lot of people in the private sector are breathing a sigh of relief.
	Yeah, I was up in New York City for the Young Republican Gala.
	Everybody's talking out loud now.
	Everybody's been just way too cowardly for the past four years across the board, the CEOs.
	Now everybody's going to kiss the ring for the wrong motives.
	The economic trends are all a disaster, right?
	Productivity has been going down for 70 years.
	CBO's got it going down for another 30 years.
	But everything Trump is doing is counter that, right?
	The real problem is China has $100 trillion in capital to work with.
	The U.S. only has $70 trillion, not financial capital, the capital in the hands of the American worker to make wages go up.
	And so everything Trump is doing is focusing on the real economy and the right stuff.
	It's not just this financialization, Wall Street, print and money thing.
	He's trying to bring capital, business investment back here, increase the wages of the American workers, and then the border invasion.
	If he turns that thing around, wages go up again, and people will be able to afford a house and have an American life again.
	A lot of people in New York The bottom 50% of the income, that's the part the liberals used to care about.
	They can't even take a subway, right, to work in peace right now without crime.
	And at the border, you got the fentanyl, the drugs, and the crime.
	And so Trump's coming in as a full-on Romans 13 providential leader at a time when we need him.
	And everybody feels it, and it's all positive.
	So you said a lot of people are doing things for the wrong reason.
	Today, there's a line of billionaires, big tech.
	Today, the CEO of Netflix is going to Mar-a-Lago.
	I mean, just stunning headlines.
	What does this mean?
	Are these people just making the right noises?
	Or do they understand that President Trump and his team and Elon Musk and Vivek are going to have a very different take on how you get the economy going?
	Yeah, well, everybody knows we're heading for another budget disaster again, right?
	A CR and a kick in the can.
	We own it, and we're going to give the Democrats everything.
	So that's just shorthand to say everything stays normal.
	And these gazillionaires, they know they just got to get up in the swamp, And get connections because if they get one line added in that budget, they have a guaranteed monopoly.
	Or if they get to keep their one line in the budget.
	And they'll make all sorts of good arguments in front of the president.
	If you don't do this, you're not going to be popular with this crew and a ton of people are going to blow up on you and they're going to defect from you once they see a change in my industry.
	And everybody's going to say the same thing.
	And of course, we don't have markets in this country anymore.
	We got oligarchs from A to Z, from pharmaceuticals, to agriculture, to the military defense establishment, across the board, right?
	To, you know, big tech, info systems, et cetera.
	And so we got to get rid of that.
	That's what is crushing the country.
	The big seven firms in this country are worth more than all of Europe combined.
	And that's not the USA. And, you know, the income distribution piece is the MAGA piece.
	And Trump gets that.
	And now all the pressure in the world is going to come on him to pay attention to MAGA, to the middle class, the top 10%, the wealthy own 90% of the stocks, bonds, and pensions.
	After 07-08, we bailed them out.
	We're in a stock market bubble right now.
	All the wealth, all the stimulus, all the deficits, we've been blowing cash.
	Where is that?
	It's all in that stock market bubble owned by the super rich.
	And they have the gall to come to him instead of trying to improve the lives of poor third graders who have a 12% literacy rate in Chicago.
	It's disgusting.
	So if you look at the incredible things that are being done in Argentina by Milley, what could be replicated here in America in the next four years?
	Where would you begin?
	Well, I think Trump needs to explain to the American people.
	The American people don't know anything that's going on.
	I was just over in Ukraine, Kiev, and all that.
	The American people don't know the CIA and the State Department are planning these forever wars intentionally to enrich people.
	President Trump doesn't like doing that.
	He doesn't like going on and calling balls and strikes.
	But in order to redeem this country, the melee move, he's just in your face Removing every obstacle.
	That's the one thing Trump can do.
	I asked the people in Poland and Ukraine.
	I talked to some rich business guys.
	I said, you guys get tax credits for any of this green stuff or energy stuff or anything?
	And they go, what's that?
	And it just goes to show you how embedded it is here.
	Everything here relies on a quarter percent interest rate change of the Federal Reserve or a tax credit.
	They don't even know what it is.
	All right.
	Well, how do we fix it?
	That's what we'll talk about next.
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	with our special guest Dave Bratt after these messages.
	So how was Kiev?
	Dave, how was Kiev?
	I went with a bunch of faith people.
	And I said, you know we're using you, and they're in such a bad spot.
	They said, yeah, we know, but we need you to do that.
	They have no other play, right?
	And so, you know, you talk with—they're fighting to the death to preserve their home country.
	I get that.
	But I said, look, you know, I'm mad at my own country.
	I'm totally sympathetic to my Christian friends, you guys.
	And so it's a complex story because no one knows any of it.
	And the religious leaders, they don't know.
	The Christian U.S. people don't know any of it.
	So what was the logic?
	Why was the Christian group going to Kyiv?
	Well, there's some groups that wanted to build friendships with strong conservative Christians in order to send more weapons to Ukraine.
	And I said, I'll go.
	I highly doubt you're going to flip my logic because it's Mearsheimer and all that stuff.
	And RFK Jr. has a 10-minute clip out on an interview that's just a beautiful summary of the whole mess.
	Going back to the fall of, you know, Berlin and 14 NATO countries since.
	And the NATO countries, oh, by the way, have to buy weapons systems from the USA. I mean, it's just grotesque.
	That's Bobby Kennedy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Real good.
	He's on with a bald guy, kind of a comedian guy.
	There's an hour and a half interview, but I'll send it to you.
	It's a 10-minute clip.
	Yeah, send it to me.
	Bam!
	Yeah, real good.
	And then, you know, James Baker III said, after the wall comes down and the whole curtain falls, we won't move one inch further to the east.
	Yeah, but that's all bullshit.
	I can't stand that argument.
	It's like a stinking irrelevance.
	NATO is a club.
	Anybody gets to join it if they contribute to the collective defense.
	It's like, why doesn't Can Russia get a veto on anybody joining NATO? Doesn't matter what James Baker says.
	There's no document that says NATO will not expand.
	It's like, wake up, guys.
	Wake up.
	There was no signature, right?
	There's no document.
	James Baker can say the moon is made out of cheese.
	So what?
	Yeah.
	And we had the Budapest Memorandum.
	You want to talk about documents?
	We had the Budapest Memorandum.
	Ukraine, give up your nukes and you will make sure you're safe.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I know.
	How do we do on that?
	How do we do on that?
	My point is we lie.
	We lie, lie, lie.
	The world's pissed off at us.
	One minute.
	Come in with 11. Then I'll do my pillow.
	And then we'll go back to Dave.
	Yep, I'm with 11.
	One minute.
	And I ask you to remember the context in which you exist.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I did that.
	What on earth is that, Jeff?
	Is that AI? Is that really Kamala?
	Is that new?
	I think that's one of the reasons she didn't win the election.
	Stuff like that.
	You mean it's not because black men are misogynists and Hispanic voters are too uneducated like the Dems are telling us?
	No, it's as I usually say, she's a moron.
	Just play that again, please, Eric.
	And I ask you to remember the context in which you exist.
	Yeah, I did that.
	Uh-huh.
	It's just creepy.
	It's not moronic.
	It's also creepy as well.
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	Senior Vice President Dave Brat, good friend of the show.
	Okay.
	You came on strong there, Dave, in the first segment.
	You said, Americans have no idea.
	Our partners abroad have no idea.
	This is all an oligopoly.
	This is a disaster.
	Continuing resolutions, funding up the Yazoo.
	Okay, Mr. Senior Vice President, how do you fix it?
	Because a man's coming in who loves America.
	He's got four years or maybe two years because we've got elections to fix it.
	What do we do, Dave Brat, to fix the economy?
	Yeah, well, the economy is one-third education.
	And everybody dismisses it, right?
	As soon as I say that word, the eyes glaze over.
	Every single thing we're doing right here on this show is an idea.
	In economics, technology is just ideas.
	But no one wants to pay attention.
	To education, which is one-third of economic growth.
	We got a 12% literacy rate for poor kids in Chicago in the third grade.
	12% literacy.
	88% illiterate.
	And Republicans, we can scream up about the left ruining everything.
	They did it.
	There's something we can do.
	You just saw Kamala in your clip there.
	That's a stunner.
	Americans also need to realize we got a billionaire that talks directly with oligarchs, owns jetliners, builds skyscrapers, knows everyone in the world, is a unique one-off president, and we only won by 1% with him.
	And he's doing everything right, right?
	The border invasion, the inflation, the endless wars.
	We had everything go right, and we won by 1% over that, over Kamala, that video you just showed.
	And so what can we do?
	It was roughly 75 million to 75 million.
	There's 100 million Christians out there, right?
	So that's what we can do.
	The churches, the foreign policy, when we're talking about Ukraine over the break, whatever, Our churches have no idea what's going on, right?
	They're doing...
	All right, you made your point.
	You just burned through three minutes saying it's education.
	Okay, we got two years.
	You can't educate a generation in two years.
	What's the answer, Dave?
	Well, no, I think President Trump, you saw the power of him with a megaphone.
	That guy has a unique potential to educate us on the key things that matter, right?
	And then the Congress needs to immediately get an agenda as well and educate us on what we have to do.
	But in the short term, you stimulate business every which way to nowhere.
	You get rid of regulations.
	You make America feel great again.
	You end all the wars.
	You lower taxes in the short run here.
	That's not going to cause the growth we need, but it's got to be pedal to the metal.
	The immigration piece, the spending has to stop on all of that.
	All the crazy stuff we're doing in the university system, the DEI, the woke, all of that has to come to an end.
	If you end that all, that's going to liberate the human spirit, because a lot of people are still living in fear.
	They won't dare speak up, but they know, like the economists in this country, there's not one economist that took on any of the three mega themes.
	There's no one that's explained the damage from inflation.
	There's no one that's explained the damage from the border invasion.
	There's no one that has added up the 1 million dead boys in Ukraine and Russia and the total cost of war.
	That's what economists are supposed to do.
	And the mainstream economists have done none of it.
	That's how far off we are.
	So we have heavy—every secretary across Trump's leadership is going to have to dig in 100% in their area, Fix it.
	Turn it around.
	And that will, the animal spirits will jump through the roof if he does that.
	And that'll give us a short run burst.
	It's the bully pulpit.
	Educate, educate, educate.
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	title for that and the monologue and the monologue For that...
	Yeah.
	How President Trump will fix the economy.
	monologue somehow the drones might be ours No, no, no, no, no.
	Did you see what Trump just did at Mar-a-Lago?
	Mm-hmm.
	All right, so 16 is Romney recognizing, right?
	And then is there a 17?
	Yeah, 17 is his little rant against Trump back in 2016. Can I see that?
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, my responsibility was to express to the American people what I believed was right about the potential nominee of our party.
	And I did so very plainly and clearly.
	And the people who made the choice decided to go a different direction.
	That's their right.
	But as an individual, I simply can't put my name down as someone who voted for principles that suggest racism or xenophobia.
	What's the date on that?
	2016 We're dialing him now right Yeah, Jeff's dialing in.
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	Israel may be winning in the Middle East.
	We may have a new commander-in-chief sworn in imminently.
	Yes, we will.
	But in the meantime, the anti-Semites are not taking a break.
	Let's talk regarding the latest developments with our good friend, the president of the Zionist Organization of America, Mort Klein.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Dr. Sev Gorka, America is so lucky to have you in the senior position fighting terrorism.
	Nobody is more qualified or more knowledgeable than you.
	You've written fabulous books.
	You've given incredible speeches.
	You know the field.
	Thank God that you're in that position.
	Well, that is very, very kind.
	We didn't ask you to come on the show to discuss me, but I appreciate that.
	You've been a good friend, and you understand the stakes involved in what is truly a civilizational war against the barbarians who wish to exterminate not only the people of Israel, but also the Christian civilization and also the apostates, the Muslims who do not agree with them.
	We've seen shocking, shocking footage recently in the streets of Canada, in Toronto, in other cities of just pro-Hamas demonstrators.
	We're going to be discussing it with Lord Black in the next hour.
	But then I have this headline that is quite stunning.
	I just want to read it to you and get your reaction.
	Israel is to shut down its embassy in Ireland, citing extreme anti-Israel policies.
	What is the way forward?
	When are decent people going to reject the shout from the river to the sea, President Klein?
	That's just a new form of Jew hatred, is it not?
	From the river to the sea means to throw the seven million Jews out of the Jewish state of Israel and destroy them.
	That has been promoted by Hamas.
	Hamas's charter calls for the murder of every Jew, and the Hamas co-founders have given recent speeches saying we want the world to understand.
	First it's the Saturday people, but next we're going after the Sunday people.
	First the Jews, then the Christians.
	The Hamas, Hezbollah, and these radical Islamists are a threat to the entire world, not just the Jews.
	The Jews are first.
	They're there nearby.
	But afterwards, they wanna come after the rest of us.
	So everyone must understand this.
	And with respect to Ireland, this is nothing new with Ireland.
	Ireland would not allow Jews to come into their country during World War II when the Jews were being destroyed, wouldn't let them in.
	The IRA has had, the Irish Republican Army's had close relations with the terrorist group, the PLO, many meetings with Hamas.
	They've condemned, they've said the Holocaust never occurred.
	And let me tell you, I was there 35 years ago.
	The newspapers in Ireland were the worst anti-Semitic, anti-Israel papers I've ever read anywhere.
	So this is nothing new.
	But what's happening now is they're going further.
	They're accusing Israel of committing genocide, even though Israel has had the least number of civilians killed in any war in modern history.
	The least.
	In fact, there was just a report out, a major report, that the Hamas numbers of how many civilians have been killed are completely false.
	They've more than doubled the real number of people killed.
	And they're claiming that Israel is slaughtering civilians and starving them.
	But what about this?
	Let me interrupt you there.
	What about the fact that the government of Ireland has decided to recognize the so-called Palestinian state?
	And this is, you know, just after the October 7th slaughter of the innocents.
	It's incredible for them to be supporting a Palestinian terrorist state that would be led by Hamas or Hezbollah or such.
	85% of the Israelis oppose this.
	The government of Israel opposes this.
	And after they've seen what they've done with their mini-state in Gaza, which they've used to launch 40,000 rockets in the last 20 years, and they've committed this incredible atrocity of massacring 1,200 Jews, raping, murdering, mutilating, torturing them.
	Do they want to give these radical Islamists, these radical Muslims, more land so they can do more harm to Israel and to the world?
	This is insane.
	This is pure Jew hatred of supporting a Palestinian state at this point in time.
	Tell us how your contacts amongst the diaspora and in Israel.
	I was given this bracelet, Bring Them Home Now, by family members of the hostages who were taken on October the 7th.
	How are people looking forward to January the 20th across the community?
	First of all, your bracelet should say, let them go.
	Not bring them home.
	This is not Israel's responsibility.
	It's responsible for Hamas to let them go.
	But President Trump made an extraordinary speech that Biden should have made for the last year and a half.
	If you don't let these American and Jewish hostages go, All hell is going to break loose.
	He has threatened them, and people know that when Trump speaks, he means that he's going to follow through.
	So already, because Trump won the election, Hamas is now negotiating.
	They want to make a deal.
	They've even agreed Israel can stay in Gaza.
	And this is all due to President-elect Donald Trump.
	So I'm looking forward to good things happening in the Middle East, around the world, I'll share with you what the families of those hostages, American-Israeli hostages, said to me last week.
	After more than a hundred visits with the Biden administration, nothing changed.
	One social media post from President Trump saying if the hostages are not released by the inauguration, there will be hell to pay was more effective than 100 visits with the White House.
	We've got to leave it there, Mort.
	I wish you the best of the season.
	Follow our friend at Morton A. Klein 7 and ZOA.org.
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	And title for that one.
	Did you know there are American hostages?
	Mm-hmm.
	Alrighty.
	Also, we've got to do Casio still.
	Yeah, Casio.
	1, 7, 8, 11, and 15.
	Come in with 9.
	Come in with 9, Jesse.
	Canada's chief conservative has a message for Trudeau.
	Canada's chief of the United States of America Seven.
	Looks like Senator Romney has surrendered to MAGA. Eight.
	Will DeSantis make Atlara Trump senator?
	there.
	11. Kamal is still doing it.
	Thank you.
	The legacy media is facing justice.
	Over the weekend, ABC News and George Stephanopoulos had to say sorry to Trump and shell out $15 million.
	Stephanopoulos falsely accused Trump of rape.
	They were about to go through depositions, and ABC did not want to start discovery and hand over emails, so they paid.
	I think that's the answer.
	They don't want discovery!
	What was happening behind the scenes and George Stephanopoulos and his TV company had to pony up.
	Thank you to Alex.
	Jeff, have a guess what the Democrat Commissioner of Police, Jessica Tisch, did before she was appointed to that position this year.
	Let me guess.
	She was a bundler raising money or let me think.
	Do you remember what was it when I said that female fire chief in New York?
	Well, the next guest was a Senate staffer.
	Yeah, she was a Democrat Senate staffer, right?
	Another DEI hire.
	This is delicious.
	The chief of the biggest police force in the world, right?
	There's that 40,000 people work for the NYPD. Before that, she was the commissioner of New York City Department of Sanitation.
	Makes sense.
	You can't believe this stuff.
	You just can't, can't believe it.
	Let's go back to politics writ large, not just in New York.
	It's quite a glorious day.
	Mitt Romney has finally surrendered.
	Let's play that cut from CNN. Cut 16, please, Eric.
	Quote, there's a good chance that the Republican Party is going to be, is going to need to be rebuilt or reoriented and that you want to have a voice in the post-Trump Republican Party.
	Do you think that there's still, do you still think there's going to be a post-Trump Republican Party or is MAGA now the Republican Party?
	Oh, MAGA is the Republican Party and Donald Trump is the Republican Party today.
	And if you were to ask me who the nominee will be in 2028, I think it'll be J.D. Vance, all right?
	He's smart, well-spoken, part of the MAGA movement.
	You said something pretty harsh about him a few months ago, though.
	You could not have less respect for somebody than J.D. Vance?
	Long ago.
	I'm not going to rehash history.
	And we've worked together in the Senate since then.
	But that is what the Republican Party is.
	And will the party need to change?
	Look, the The Republican Party has become the party of the working-class, middle-class voter.
	And you've got to give Donald Trump credit for having done that, taking that away from the Democrats.
	Democrats pushed him out.
	Jeff, I've got to ask.
	I don't get that.
	Does Romney think again he's going to get a job in the Trump administration?
	Remember, the last time he came around was when he said he was going to be Secretary of State.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, I mean, that photograph from Ben Minster is still the best.
	He's sitting there at the table with Donald Trump.
	Please, sir, please.
	Do you think he wants to do that again?
	Well, I don't think he ever believed this.
	I think he always did it for the donors.
	So it kind of feels like now that he's out of the game, it doesn't matter.
	So all of that stuff was a lie?
	No.
	It was very exaggerated, I'll say that.
	I think he was jealous because he won and he lost.
	You know what I mean?
	But I think a lot of it was for the donor class.
	Guys, don't go anywhere.
	Tom Homan, he's next.
	The man who's going to be a real Bordesar.
	This is America First.
	Okay.
	Well, isn't that interesting?
	President Trump yesterday at Mar-a-Lago saying what?
	The government knows what the drones are.
	Why are they telling us?
	Well, let me say thank you to Chris Plant and the friend of his who may have found the explanation for this mystery.
	No, it's not what they're saying.
	Radioactive detection, missing nukes.
	This article from the summer of 2023 in a flying magazine reveals everything you need to know.
	From Jack DeLeo.
	New York's drone corridor has been a major boon for the state's wider aviation industry and the development of unmanned aerial systems, UASs.
	And Advanced Air Mobility, AAM Technologies.
	So much so that its tri-state area neighbor is planning to build its own.
	On Thursday, the National Aerospace Research and Technology Park, NARTP, a collection of research and development facilities located just outside of Atlantic City, New Jersey, announced an agreement to develop a UAS and AAM testing corridor backed by By two Department of Defense entities.
	Once complete, the corridor could foster emerging aviation technologies such as drones and air taxis.
	The project is being supported by the U.S. Transportation Command, a unit of the DOD that provides the agency with air, land and sea transportation, and the Air Mobility Command, the air component of U.S. Transcom and a major command of the U.S. Air Force.
	And here's the clincher, my friends.
	Once established, the corridor will be used to demonstrate, develop and evaluate military, commercial, academic and federally backed drone technologies, NARTP said.
	For example, that it's looking to enable strategic airlift capabilities for the Air Force.
	All right, guys, you've got it in black and white.
	This is a corridor being used to test commercial and military drone technology.
	Why won't the government tell you?
	Because there are a bunch of incompetents.
	Just look at Biden, Kamala, and the current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan.
	Relax.
	January 20th, the adults will be in charge.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	God bless and Merry Christmas.
	God bless and Merry Christmas.
	God bless and Merry Christmas.
	And we're going to start right here in Chicago, Illinois.
	Now, if your Chicago mayor doesn't want to help, he can step aside.
	But if he impedes us, if he no one harbors and conceals an illegal alien, I will prosecute him.
	There's a lot of hyperbole in this city, a lot of people who want to get attention with it, but sometimes there are those who say things that are tough and you don't question their commitment because they have spent decades serving this nation.
	They are horrified by what's happened in the last four years, and they're going to fix it come 12.01 on January the 20th.
	And we are honored he's at an airport right now to have that man, the incoming boarders are, my personal friend Tom Homan on the show.
	Tom, welcome back.
	Thanks for having me.
	I'm worried about you, Tom.
	Can I get personal for a second?
	Because you have been coming out of every flipping media faucet since you were announced.
	And we're super excited you were announced because you are turning things around with every interview you give, every speech you make.
	But, dude, you're like a shadow of yourself.
	You've lost so much weight.
	Are you looking after yourself, Tom?
	I had to get down to my fighting weight.
	I mean, I've been retired and getting fat and happy for four years, so I've got to get back to my fighting weight.
	Alright, good.
	As long as it's protein, protein, protein.
	Okay, so tell us Explain to three and a half million people right now, this isn't just empty rhetoric.
	As the president raises his hand on January the 20th, you, Governor Noam, Kash Patel, you are ready to roll, correct?
	Absolutely.
	That's why I'm out there talking now.
	I'm not waiting to January the 20th.
	I want to let people know exactly what we're doing, how we're going to do it.
	Because the left is pushing so much misinformation out there.
	And look, you know, the reason I said what I said in Chicago is these guys are making it very hard for ICE agents to do their job.
	And when they can't arrest a bad guy in the safety and security of a jail, that means they've got to go to the neighborhood and find these people, criminals, on their turf to have access to who knows what weapons.
	So the inaction of the mayor and the governor are putting ICE officers at great risk of harm.
	And that's what makes them...
	That's what makes them suck, right?
	Because they would rather push back on the legal system and love their hatred of Trump More than they care about the communities.
	It sounds to me, however, that this is just bluster.
	They're just beating their chest trying to look tough.
	And when you and your team arrive, they're not going to get in your way.
	You've been doing this for decades in uniform, out of uniform.
	Do you agree with my assessment?
	Or do you think these people are really going to protect illegals and criminals as opposed to American citizens?
	I really don't think they'll cross that line.
	I don't.
	I think a lot of it's rhetoric, and I've been doing this for decades.
	They'll stand on the sidelines and watch us not lift one finger for us.
	They may not respond for assistance for help, but I don't think they'll cross the line to annoyingly harbor and conceal illegal aliens.
	I don't think they're going to put up roadblocks and impede us from making an arrest.
	I just think we'll get that far, but I give them a warning that if they do, they cross that line, we'll see consequences.
	What is your, and I don't want you to give away anything operational or strategic, but you've got to have prioritization on your target sets.
	When you go after those who are here illegally, are you going to start with those that we have the intelligence on, are already convicted felons in their countries of birth?
	Is that where you start?
	Is it the people on the terror watch list?
	Because, you know, the estimates are what, 8 million, maybe another 8 million gotaways.
	You've got to have prioritization, correct, Tom?
	Yeah, we do.
	And that's what makes me angry at people like Chicago and, you know, San Diego and Denver.
	It's that we've been very clear.
	The president has said on stage many times.
	I have said, ever since they announced me, we will prioritize public safety threats and national security threats right out of the gate.
	And we've got plenty of them to find.
	Last count, there's over 700,000 illegal aliens from criminal convictions running around the streets of this country.
	So we will prioritize that, and that's why I can't believe any elected mayor or any elected governor will try to prevent us from removing public safety threats from their communities.
	That's their number one responsibility is protecting the community.
	So I don't understand why they want to push back on this.
	But yes, we're going to prioritize the worst first because they pose the biggest danger to our country.
	The worst first.
	President Trump on the campaign trail, incoming former Green Beret National Security Advisor-designee Mike Waltz.
	They've both spoken very clearly about the cartels.
	What would you like to say about the cartels, Tom Homan, after January the 20th?
	I think President Trump needs to designate them in terrorist organizations, and the United States needs to wipe them off the face of the earth.
	Because the criminal cartels in Mexico have killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined.
	So, in any war.
	So, yeah, we need to designate terrorists and take them on.
	It's going to take the United States to do it, because no one else is going to do it or have the capability to do it.
	We trust you.
	You're going to do an amazing job, along with the governor and secretary of DHS, along with Kash Patel, along with, you know, director of central intelligence and others.
	Can you just address the news of the day?
	Because you are the expert that they're selling off.
	The president discussed this yesterday.
	He called it a crime, selling off.
	The steel that was meant to be used to secure the border, dollars, you know, pennies on the dollar.
	What has to happen at the border?
	How effective is a physical barrier?
	Talk about how everything changes after January 20th.
	Well, first of all, fraud, waste and abuse is a violation of law and someone needs to be investigated because the taxpayers in this country already paid for those products.
	We're going to pay top dollar, by the way.
	And now this administration is going to sell up a penny on the dollars, which means to outside organizations, which means now we've got to rebuy it.
	And if we buy the stuff they just sold to these auction sites, now we've got to, even if it's a reduced amount, we've got to pay twice for the same product.
	That's fraud, waste, and abuse.
	The American taxpayer shouldn't have to do that.
	Well, look, I think the border wall works.
	President Trump has the intentions of finishing it.
	The border wall, every place to build a border barrier, illegal immigration declined, illegal drug flow declined.
	And plus, what no one talks about, the wall saves lives.
	What I mean by that is women and children can't get over that wall, which means they're going to go to places where there's not a wall.
	What's waiting on them?
	The men and women wearing green.
	They're going to take care of their medical needs right off the bat.
	So the wall saves lives, too.
	So it's a shame in this administration to this day.
	He's trying to prevent us from being successful.
	But I got news for him.
	We're going to be successful.
	We're going to secure the border.
	We're going to build a wall.
	We're going to run a mass deportation operation.
	And we're going to find and rescue over 300,000 children that year-released to unbredded sponsors that I know a large portion of those children are in danger every day, and we're going to save them.
	You mentioned the men and women in green.
	Let's have a little bit of good news.
	I know you are talking to them regularly on the back channels.
	How are they feeling?
	How are Customs and Border Protection feeling after November the 5th?
	Can we restore their morale, Tom Homan?
	Already there.
	The morale is in the toilet under the right administration.
	The morale is on all-time high right now.
	I had to shut down my LinkedIn account.
	I've gotten thousands.
	of contacts from border patrol agents, retired border patrol agents, ICE agents, retired ICE agents, that are happy to see that we're finally going to enforce law on the border, which is just not about illegal immigration.
	It's about a fat-nog drug flow that killed a quarter million people.
	It's about a 600 percent increase in sex trafficking.
	It's about a record number of people on terrorist watch list.
	So these men and women, the professionals who enforce our laws, they're all excited.
	The morale is scanning high.
	Can we find those more than 300,000 children who have been disappeared, who have been trafficked into this country under Kamala and under Biden?
	Can we find and save them, Tom?
	I hesitate to say we're going to find all of them because It's going to be tough to find because my contacts within HHS, whistleblowers have said a lot of these sponsors they listen to weren't properly vetted.
	Some of these sponsors weren't even fingerprinted from my understanding.
	So, you know, you and I, we have a digital footprint, right?
	The law enforcement can find you and I. We own cars, we own homes, we have credit cards, we pay bills.
	Children don't.
	They have no digital footprints.
	They're going to be hard to find, so we've got to count on the digital footprint of the sponsors.
	If the sponsors weren't vetted properly, if their IDs weren't You know, check to make sure they're valid.
	If they weren't fingerprinted, you know, God help us.
	We're going to give it 100%.
	We're going to find many of them, but many of them are going to find in forced labor.
	Many of them are going to find in forced sex trade.
	Some may not be alive and some would never find.
	Well, there's no one better to not only secure America, but to find the malefactors and to save the innocent.
	We are so excited.
	I know you've been working every hour God sends you since you were announced.
	Thank you, Tom Homan, for spending time with us as you are traveling back to D.C. Incoming borders are for the second Trump administration, a man who is serving his nation yet again.
	Follow him at Real Tom Homan right now at Real Tom Homan.
	God bless you, Tom, and safe travels.
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	Merry Christmas.
	Ho, ho, ho.
	No humbugs here.
	We only have one segment with our regular guest after we managed to connect to Tom Homan.
	And so much to discuss.
	Let's squeeze it all in first.
	Make sure.
	Maybe your last-minute stocking stuffer, his book.
	Absolutely essential reading the political and strategic history of the world from antiquity to the Caesars, 14 Anno Domini.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Always a pleasure.
	Your latest piece in the New York Sun is about how we should be thankful for having dodged a bullet.
	We'll get to that in a moment.
	But it would be remiss of me if I didn't ask you to talk about what's happening in Canada.
	We have a rather powerful clip from the leader of the opposition, Pierre Polyevre.
	Let's play that and then you can react.
	Cut one.
	Mr. Trudeau is being held in office by one man, Jangmeet Singh.
	A fifth of liberal MPs have written a letter for him to resign.
	His Deputy Prime Minister has walked out on him.
	His Housing Minister has quit.
	That on top of numerous other female ministers who stormed out after his appalling mistreatment and abuse and dishonesty towards them.
	Eighty percent of Canadians have lost confidence in this Prime Minister.
	So why is Jagmeet Singh making the entire country wait for him to get his pension?
	That is the question today.
	I thought Canadian politics was supposed to be boring, Lord Black.
	Well, it often is, but it has its lively moments, and this is one of them.
	So what's going on?
	Is Trudeau collapsing?
	The Jagmeet Singh he refers to as the leader of the unofficial opposition, the third party.
	Pierre Poilier, whom you just saw, is the leader of the opposition, and the second opposition party is the man he referred to.
	Now, the polls at the moment show that man, Mr. Singh's party, I think we're good to go.
	It's a minority government in Parliament, propped up by the so-called New Democrats, Jagmeet Singh's party.
	And they are running even with the Liberals in the polls, so it might be in their interest to have an election right now.
	Certainly the opposition leader wants an election because all polls indicate he will win.
	And you see, Justin made, I would have thought, a tactical error repelling his Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance, Chrystia Freeland, on Friday, that he wanted her to step down from finance and take a lesser position.
	So she presumably spent the weekend consulting with their colleagues in the Liberal Party and then replied yesterday, A couple of hours before she was supposed to read a budget message in Parliament as finance minister that no, she wouldn't do that.
	She would resign as finance minister but not take an alternative position and accused him of political gimmicks.
	That was the phrase.
	Now, you know, for the finance minister and deputy prime minister to accuse the prime minister of political gimmicks and resign when you're a minority government to begin with, And at the meeting of the Liberal Party's members of Parliament yesterday evening, apparently there was a substantial number that told Justin Trudeau he should resign, he should retire as leader, but not bring the government down.
	His position is very tenuous right now.
	And I would say there's a good chance that he will retire as Liberal leader, and then Chrystia Freeland will try and replace him.
	Or he might call an election, or fall into an election, which he would almost certainly lose.
	The string is running out on Justin, I would say.
	Well, maybe the clip we just played is a clip of somebody who will be the next Prime Minister of Canada.
	We shall see.
	I think so.
	He will be.
	All right.
	Let's expand upon the opening line of your latest piece of the New York Sun.
	As the Christmas holidays and the year-end approach, I respectfully take it upon myself to recommend...
	That thoughtful Americans reflect upon how close the United States in recent years came to roaring through and over the guardrails of its constitutional democracy like a derailed express train.
	We came very close, did we not, Conrad?
	I'm afraid so.
	I mean, I think a great section of the public realizes that.
	But, you know, when you When you do have that perversion of the justice system to try and persecute the opposition, especially in the run-up to a presidential election, it is a real challenge to democracy.
	And I don't think there's much doubt that I would say all of those indictments of the former president were spurious and politically motivated.
	Not conceivably a case could be made on some of them, but on all I saw from authentic legal experts who are not particularly partisans of Donald Trump's, like Jonathan Turley and my friend Alan Dershowitz and others, none of them held any water at all.
	They were nonsense.
	And, you know, you just don't do that in a democracy, Sebastian.
	I mean, you don't.
	I mean, the British don't, the French don't, the Canadians don't.
	And if you're going to indict a party leader, you better have a very good reason to do it, and such a good reason that you're insusceptible to the charge of doing it for partisan reasons.
	And that certainly isn't the case here.
	We only have a minute left, but the idea that this judge, Merchan, is refusing to dismiss the case against the president the Supreme Court has weighed in on and wants to hang it over the president's head like a sword of Damocles for four years, is that really tenable?
	No, and I'm sure the higher courts will throw it.
	I just mentioned that Merchan is the man that Andrew Weissman, the The frenzied Trump-hating chief counsel of the Mueller Commission said on television a few months ago he had a man crush on because of the outrageous judgments that he kept making in procedural motions in his case involving the ex-president, now the president-elect.
	I mean, it's awful.
	And the role of the media...
	ABC finally, after a lot of pompous, bold talk from George Stephanopoulos, I won't back down, throwing in the towel with $16 million.
	And there are a number of other pending suits against media, but it's just as well-founded, I think.
	I mean, does one dare hope that the legacy media will realize that they'd better play it a little more straight, or they're not going to have any viewers anymore?
	Well, that's the They'd have to be logical actors, and I'm not sure they are after the last nine years of utter derangement.
	That is it for our time with Lord Black today.
	Make sure you check out his book.
	It truly is an absolutely fabulous read, History Made Enjoyable, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1. And don't forget to follow him on his website, Conrad M. Black, and on Twitter, ConradMBlack.com.
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	That's my whole name, SebastianGorka.substack.com.
	Try and hang in there.
	I think he's going to try and—he's put his friend Dominic LeBlanc in his finance minister, who I think is actually pretty good.
	And I think he's going to try and rally his forces and say, look, if you throw me out now, I'll go, but I'll dissolve the—I'll get the governor to dissolve the house, and you'll all be out.
	You'll lose the election.
	And— So stick with me, and I'll consider whether I'm going to go to an election or not, but I'll do it in my own time.
	I assume that's what he'll do, and I guess he will get away with it, but he is on awfully thin ice now.
	Fascinating.
	Well, Pierre can't come fast enough.
	All right, so we'll talk Thursday morning.
	Right you are, and Jeff will give me the time, right?
	Yes, yeah, he'll tell you exactly.
	And that's the same as this?
	We Skype it?
	Yeah, we Skype it or they send you a Zoom link, but that's up to you, Max.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	Thanks.
	Thanks.
	All the best.
	Bye-bye.
	Just need a title for that as well.
	Um.
	Um.
	Hey, can you guys hear me?
	Yes.
	Okay, so my microphone is the road line.
	I don't think you have enough challenge coins or flags.
	Good, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect.
	That video was superb, just superb.
	You know, we have a president right now who is checked out.
	And he could end this like that, right?
	He could end this like that with a speech saying like, hey, you know what?
	We were red teaming and this got out of hand.
	Think what?
	The president's addressed the nation twice in his time in office?
	Yep.
	And the president yesterday, President Trump, took 43 questions.
	He kind of reminds me.
	43. He reminds me of like a dad who's trying to watch the game.
	Dad, Dad, we're giving people puberty blockers.
	Watch the game, man!
	That's what it's like!
	Dad, Dad, Afghanistan.
	Watch the game!
	Are you going to bomb Iran preemptively?
	How stupid are you, kid?
	It's a little...
	It's a little much.
	Alright, so let's talk about that story first, and then let's go back to your bread and butter in the next segment.
	Let's talk about disinformation.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Oh, and you've got a book.
	Let's pitch the book.
	What's the name of the book?
	Oh, did I send it to you?
	I didn't.
	I can send you a copy.
	I felt it was rude to send you a copy, considering, like, you...
	You know, you're a busy guy.
	What do you mean rude?
	That's so silly.
	All right, let's see.
	Ryan McBeth.
	What's the name?
	The Wind Machine?
	The Wind Machine.
	There it is.
	Are you going to do it, Eric?
	Yeah, getting it now.
	Okay.
	Good.
	It's a fiction book about...
	About somebody who detects something with his company, right?
	Yeah, it's a hedge fund manager who software...
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	Drones, aliens invasion, nuclear weapons being detected from the skies.
	What is going on?
	Let's talk to our expert on all matters, mis- and disinformation, Ryan McBeth programming on YouTube, a superb website.
	My Newsmax colleague, Ryan, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much.
	I love it when I come on here.
	All right.
	So we're going to talk about big picture, disinformation, misinformation in a moment, but I think it was just yesterday.
	You dropped this video.
	As soon as something comes on YouTube on my feed from you, I watched the whole thing and I'm not a techie guy, but in the mists of high school physics, I remembered something about inverse proportion and radiation and you just spelt it out there.
	President Trump gave a very interesting press conference about this.
	We'll talk about that later.
	But in your video, you point out one thing about the theory that these drones are detecting loose nukes in America, radiation detectors.
	What was that one little kind of physique-y thing that is non-negotiable?
	Well, it's called the inverse square law.
	So essentially, as you double the distance from a radioactive source, the radiation that you receive goes down by a factor of four.
	So by that, if you're flying above a radioactive source, it's going to be harder to detect it based on how high you're flying.
	In fact, if you look at a port facility, the radiation detectors at a port facility are right next to the shipping containers because they have to be.
	Right.
	So if you're looking for something radiological, you're probably not going to be using a drone.
	Now, if you have a dirty bomb or something like that, absolutely, drones could be very useful at mapping out hotspots in that area.
	And also, the amount of radioactive source will change the amount of radiation that you receive.
	If you have a larger plutonium core, you're going to get more radiation.
	But the idea that you're going to get any kind of granularity of detection from something that's hundreds or thousands of feet in the air, the physics doesn't quite add up, does it?
	Even tens of feet in the air, even where we're talking at 100 yards or so.
	You know, there is something called the NEST Team, the Nuclear Emergency Response Team.
	These guys, if there's going to be a big football game, they'll fly over the football game in a helicopter, make sure they get background radiation, and then they'll fly over it again maybe on game day just to see if any of the readings have changed.
	And that's like a dirty bum.
	You're the terrorism guy.
	You know all about this stuff, right?
	I can tell you about it, but I'd like to shoot you or have to shoot you afterwards.
	On that point, you said something to me in our text messages about if you've got a clearance, you've got to be smart about how you publicly communicate, right, Ryan?
	You've got a clearance.
	I've got a clearance.
	Biden has a clearance.
	You've just got to be smart, right?
	You're absolutely correct.
	And there is a particular gentleman who made a video essentially scaring the entire public, over 30 million or so people, saying that nuclear weapons were loose in America and Joe Biden wasn't doing anything about it.
	Joe Biden's asleep at the wheel, but I don't think he's so asleep that he would go, oh, it's just a nuclear weapon.
	Get me my ice cream.
	I don't think he's that far gone.
	A nuclear weapon in America would be a big deal.
	But basically, this gentleman had said that there was a loose nuke, and he had been told by a source who put his hands on that nuke that we weren't doing anything about it.
	If you put your hands on that loose nuke, and you told somebody about it, the person you told is now a material witness.
	There's also a bigger problem.
	This is a guy who makes drones, and he said, some guy told me about a loose nuke that was lost in the 1990s.
	Well, a nuke that was lost in the 1990s, not exactly a credible threat today.
	There are issues with technology from 30 years ago.
	So Please stay.
	I don't want to talk about credentialism, but please stay in your lane.
	We're going to talk about his brand new book, The Win Machine, next here on America First.
	Make sure you are following him.
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	This is like the nail in the coffin.
	This is from Flying Magazine, summer of 23. It says the FAA and the DOD have agreed together to create a drone corridor across the tri-state area of New York and New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
	And it's to, quote...
	Used to demonstrate, develop, and evaluate military, commercial, academic, and federally-backed UAV technology.
	And this is with Transcom.
	And how do people miss this story?
	Like, this is what's happening, guys.
	It's crazy.
	Are we live?
	I'm sorry.
	We're talking in the break.
	We're just chatting on the feed in the rumble.
	Yeah, I actually, I missed that.
	I haven't heard of that.
	I'll send it to you now.
	We're going to have to do that sometime.
	We're going to have to really think about how we handle unmanned vehicles because it can be, look, I would love to order McDonald's and have it dropped right off via drone.
	That sounds great.
	Right.
	And we need the training day to do that.
	Well, it's inevitable.
	This airspace will be used.
	Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
	But we certainly need...
	We need to start getting the public use to the fact that these things are flying around.
	Right.
	That could be an issue as well.
	Tell me, you know, you've got experience here.
	They are actually getting pretty big, right?
	I mean, they're not just all small nowadays.
	Yeah, you see, there's crop dusting drones.
	And believe it or not, they actually mainly fly at night.
	Something to do with the...
	Air temperature.
	Temperature or something like that.
	But yeah, there's crop dusting drones that fly.
	Like, that's a thing.
	Yeah.
	So, I don't know.
	We need to come up with a plan for how we're going to deal with drones in the future.
	Do I see your SIG in the background?
	Yeah, that's one of them.
	Oh, you have more than one.
	Good man.
	Good man.
	I love my SIG. But do you like them more than Old Bay seasoning?
	Oh God, I don't know.
	I like them both, but I can't defend my home with all day.
	We could throw tins at them, right?
	I could.
	You know, I had a...
	Oh, come in with six.
	You had a what?
	I had a...
	A bunch of people were always like, oh, you're a libtard.
	I had a six, right?
	- Not a lot of. - It's not a lot of. - Well, I would repeat what we've said I would repeat what we've said yesterday and last night in a multiple agency statement, that we have taken a serious look at this.
	We have gone through 5,000-some-odd sightings.
	We have added detection capabilities to the region.
	We've even sent up visual observers.
	And everything we're seeing to date, our assessment tells us, that these are commercial drones, hobbyist drones, or law enforcement drones, all operating legally and lawfully.
	But that's weird, because just before that, you said, we don't know what they are, but they're not a threat.
	That's a very strange piece of analysis.
	If you don't know what they are, how do you know they're not a threat, Carl Bull Kirby?
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	We're back with the expert on misdisfamation, the man behind the superlative YouTube channel, Ryan McBeth Programming.
	Ryan, tell me about your new venture.
	You've ventured out of cyber programming, disinformation expertise, and you've written a fictional work, The Wind Machine.
	The road to hell is paved with intervention.
	What's the story, Ryan?
	It's a novel about a hedge fund manager who has a very powerful AI computer to pick stocks, and one day that AI computer figures out that there's going to be a limited nuclear exchange between the US and China.
	Oh, so just a small, fun scenario like that?
	Small scenario, right?
	And this guy has a choice.
	Does he trade based on that information, or does he give this information to the government?
	And even if you do give the information to the government, how do you do that?
	There's no phone line at the Pentagon where you can call and say, hey, there's going to be a nuclear war.
	I think I can help.
	I think I can help stop it.
	I actually had somebody tell me exactly the same thing yesterday.
	Somebody who got a real tip.
	He had no relations to law enforcement or the intelligence community.
	So what is the right answer?
	Well, of course, the right answer would be to tell the government, right?
	Maybe, perhaps, you can actually stop this thing.
	But the question kind of comes into play.
	If you do that, and the SEC finds out you have a very sophisticated AI that's helping you trade stocks, they might create a rule that prevents that.
	Where are you?
	I mean, we have to get you back for a longer discussion, but there seems to be two camps on AI. Those who say, it's great, it's going to get rid of lawyers, accountants, scut work, and the others who say, no, super dangerous.
	What is your take?
	Or is it too early to say whether it's a boon or a curse?
	So I think I work in AI. And I think that one of the elements of AI is that it's going to take away a lot of the drudgery when it comes to doing simple tasks.
	If I need to write a will, I can ask ChatGPT, okay, create me a will and it'll spit out a will.
	But, you know, if I'm going through a divorce, I need a lawyer, right?
	I can't ChatGPT that lawyer.
	And I think most lawyers, they go, man, I got to do a will.
	They're probably using ChatGPT to generate that will, right?
	So, when you look at it, I think that a lot of AI will take the drudgery out of doing stuff and allow you to focus on things that humans are good at.
	Alright, so let's go back to the topic of how one manages This deluge of disinformation, misinformation, social media, AI. What is the thing that,
	let's start with this, US government agencies, the Department of Defense, what is the thing they appreciate the least and must be understood in this new age?
	What is the thing you see people get wrong most often, Ryan?
	Regarding AI, well, I think one of the things that people get wrong most often is that we've had killer robots since the 1980s.
	Wow.
	So when you look at the Patriot system, it is essentially a killer robot.
	You turn that thing on and it makes all the decisions.
	Shoot, look, shoot, or should I do salvo, or should I do a single rocket?
	It figures all that out.
	The Aegis system, which is on every single Navy destroyer and cruiser, The Aegis system is essentially a killer robot.
	It talks with other ships and says, okay, I'm going to target this missile.
	You're going to target this missile.
	It does so without any human intervention.
	It has to because naval warfare in the missile age is so fast that a human couldn't possibly react.
	So there's that.
	And the other thing that the military needs to understand is that AI-powered robots need to be able to operate against troops.
	And it is a risk.
	We have to have troops and AI operating together, and we need to figure out how to do that.
	Right now, a lot of Defense Department officials, range control included, people who actually run the post, run the ranges, they don't want AI operating right next to troops because they don't know what it's going to do.
	That's a valid concern.
	But we have troops in Russia who've been working with things like the Lancet munition, which has some AI capabilities.
	If it misses a target, it can find a similar target.
	So we have Russia working with AI right now to figure out how to target Ukrainian forces.
	And we really don't do any of that.
	And the time you don't want to learn is when you're actually in combat.
	So what does that mean?
	Does that mean we need more labs, more experimentation, more AI robots with humans in a safe environment?
	I think what we really need is we need to reevaluate what we consider risk.
	And there's a lot of people in the military who are very risk averse because you don't want to lose a soldier.
	That's the worst thing, right?
	You have to call home and say, I'm sorry your son has killed an AI drone crashed into him.
	But we need to establish control measures for that risk.
	Because if we don't do that, if we don't practice now, we're going to have to do it when we enter combat, and that is the last time I do it.
	You don't want to learn once the bullets start flying in earnest.
	I think we need to get Ryan in studio for a longer chat, because every time we touch upon these issues, a new Pandora's box opens.
	The book, you've got to get it right now, a fun read, The Wind Machine.
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	So I actually resigned from Aromethal Labs last night.
	Thank you.
	And so someday down the line, that could hurt Republicans when there's a Democrat who decides to use the federal law enforcement agencies to target Republicans.
	None of us should want that.
	And I think Republicans don't understand the long-term damage that's going to be done by somebody like Kash Patel in charge of the FBI. Hey, Jeff, did Chris Murphy just say it would be really dangerous for the FBI to politically target people?
	Yeah, he just summed up the last four years.
	Was he like in a cave or something?
	I have no idea.
	He probably thinks that the FBI hasn't been doing that, right?
	The spin is unbelievable in this.
	They've been doing this forever, too.
	I don't know how they think this works.
	Let's get back to Romney, who said it's President Trump's party now.
	It's fully MAGA. Here's a reminder of what he was saying just a couple of years ago.
	Cut 17. Well, my responsibility was to express to the American people what I believed was right about the potential nominee of our party.
	And I did so very plainly and clearly.
	And the people who made the choice decided to go a different direction.
	That's their right.
	But as an individual, I simply can't put my name down as someone who voted for principles that suggest racism or xenophobia, misogyny, bigotry, who's been vulgar time and time again.
	And the most recent attack on Judge Curiel, a racist approach is one which I think says to me, I can't be part of that.
	I will not sign up for that.
	I don't want to be associated with that in any way, shape or form.
	That's weird because he just said that the Republican Party is completely MAGA now.
	Did he apologize for calling it racist and bigoted, Jeff?
	That's literally the deplorable speech he just did, basically.
	It is!
	It's Hillary!
	Yeah.
	Has he, like, transitioned?
	Is he going to turn into Hillary?
	I guess he did.
	He did transition.
	Ben Dominic gloated a little bit, and it's absolutely fine after Mitt said, yeah, it's President Trump's party now.
	Cut seven!
	You and I have been saying for, I don't know, seven years, eight years, Romney finally kind of admitted...
	It was gratifying.
	Yeah, finally kind of admitted, you know, well, he won.
	Finally.
	Yeah, I think it was very gratifying to hear that actually from Mitt Romney because it's undeniable.
	But it's also, I think, an indication of, you know, so many different mistakes that are made.
	I mean, Mitt Romney will be forever tied to that post-2012 autopsy that essentially told everyone to go in the opposite direction than the direction that Donald Trump ultimately took the party in 2016. And obviously that autopsy was about a party that was dead.
	And I think that Mitt Romney acknowledging that is actually a good thing.
	That's so right.
	What were people like Mittens, Mitt Romney, Pierre Delicto saying?
	Oh, we've got to run away from MAGA. 77 million people disagree with you, Mitt.
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	I don't think I've ever actually played it on air.
	And it's just...
	Delicious.
	I have an argument with my good friend, Andrew Claven, about the fact that I don't care if you've got 12 PhDs and you can run a discourse on quarks.
	If you can't change a tire on a car, you're a cretin.
	You're not intelligent.
	So when people talk to me about the horseman of the atheist apocalypse or the genius that is...
	Richard Dawkins, or that other cretin.
	Who was the one who melted down, Eric, on the Trigonometry podcast, who said even if Hunter had killed children in his basement, the coup against President Trump was justified?
	Sam Harris.
	Sam Harris, that diminutive little fool.
	These people, deep down, are morons.
	And here's the best example.
	The vaunted Dr. Dawkins...
	Trapped by a comedian, I mean albeit a speechwriter for Richard Nixon, Ben Stein, into admitting without realizing it that God exists.
	So here's an atheist showing how cretinous he is.
	Well then, who did create the heavens and the earth?
	Why do you use the word who?
	You see, you immediately beg the question by using the word who.
	Well then, how did it get created?
	Well, by a very slow process.
	Well, how did it start?
	Nobody knows how it started.
	We know the kind of event that it must have been.
	We know the sort of event that must have happened for the origin of life.
	What was that?
	It was the origin of the first self-replicating molecule.
	Right.
	How did that happen?
	I told you we don't know.
	So you have no idea how it started?
	No, no.
	Nor has anybody.
	Nor has anyone else.
	What do you think is the possibility that intelligent design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution?
	It could come about in the following way.
	It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved by probably some kind of Darwinian means to a very, very high level of technology.
	And designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet.
	Now, that is a possibility and an intriguing possibility.
	And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that.
	If you look at the details of biochemistry and molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
	Excuse me?
	A signature?
	Of some kind of desire?
	But God doesn't exist.
	But if you look deep enough, the molecular DNA, the deoxyribonucleic acid, there's got to be a signature.
	Who's mine?
	Who's it going to be?
	Harpo Marx?
	But God doesn't exist.
	I'm sorry, that is just...
	Sublime.
	You need to see.
	That's the final few minutes of Ben's incredible movie, Expelled.
	And it really kind of negates the necessity for this discussion because we have in studio a man who has written a whole book on this.
	But you should buy it because, you know, video clips are one thing.
	Light of the mind, light of the world, illuminating science through faith.
	This individual is allegedly not related to Andrew Klavan, although neither of them have an E in their name.
	Dr. Spencer Clavin, welcome to America First in studio.
	Thank you, Seb.
	It's great to be here.
	My PhD is actually in changing tires, so we're in luck.
	I have a degree in advanced...
	You're the one who has that one.
	That's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ethical studies in tire changing.
	Now, look...
	This is a real bet noire for me.
	And we're going to walk through this book that has the most amazing blurbs from, you know, from Peter Thiel to Rod Dreher on down.
	But for me, indulge me, if you will, for a moment.
	You look at a newborn baby.
	You look at a flower.
	You look at a strawberry.
	And I go, excuse me, none of this is possible by accident.
	What happened to all of these allegedly clever people?
	Because there are surveys of the greatest scientists of the 20th century around the era of Einstein.
	And nine out of ten of them said, well, of course there's a designer.
	of course there's a God.
	Where did this putative tension between science and faith begin?
	It is amazing isn't it that we've ended up in this position where we're having to explain away the most basic and obvious reality.
	I mean I mean, these were the sorts of things that people thought didn't need arguing about or discussing.
	That was self-evident.
	We could move on to asking other, more interesting questions, like how should we live?
	I was talking to my nine-year-old nephew over the Thanksgiving vacation, and he's a very bright young chap, and he comes up to me and he goes, did you know that, you know, there's light in the atmosphere from the Big Bang?
	I said, yes, it's called cosmic microwave background radiation.
	It's very exciting.
	He sort of sat for a while in silence and said, so what happened before the Big Bang?
	I said, what do you think happened before the Big Bang?
	More silence.
	Well, I guess the only reasonable thing is that God made it.
	This is not a religious kid.
	This is a kid, actually, that hasn't really had much in the way of religious instruction.
	To exactly your point, these are sort of basic obvious logical necessities and when you see guys like Dawkins or my favorite was Stephen Hawking, a great theoretical physicist in the Wall Street Journal saying, well now we have the ability to explain the genesis of the universe from nothing using only a few physical laws.
	And this is to me hilarious because it does not, you actually don't have to go to grad school to say, Who wrote the book?
	This is a stupid argument.
	This is like 101 mistakes, right?
	These are basic problems.
	So, as I argue in the book at some length, I'm very pleased to report we can kind of blame the French for this, ultimately.
	What you have here is, I think, the logical conclusion of people who have...
	Drastically misused Newtonian physics.
	So we're all familiar with the story of Isaac Newton and the apple falling from the tree, and we learned in school that these three basic laws can help describe all motion in the world, or at least all the motion that we could at that time observe.
	And Newton himself, like all the architects of the Scientific Revolution, was a devout religious man.
	He was a variety of Christian.
	He was annotating the genealogy of Noah.
	I mean, this guy was deeply religious, as was, in fact, Galileo and Kepler and all these guys.
	In the wake of his discoveries, it suddenly became possible to explain so much more than we could ever explain before.
	And at the same time, people were focusing in on this new field of study, which was how can the physical world be described in these mathematical terms.
	And for those who were interested to argue God away, this was a very convenient kind of sleight of hand to say, well, if you look really, really closely at this particular part of life, it tends to work like a machine.
	And we're going to bracket all these other conversations about life and mind and origins and things like that.
	That's all science was ever designed to do.
	At a certain point, guys like Pierre-Simon Laplace, the French Enlightenment thinkers who were motivated for other reasons to argue God away, kind of pulled the wool over people's eyes and said, well, you know, If we can explain this with science, what do we even need God for?
	This is the, I have no need of that hypothesis, Laplace was supposed to have said.
	And after basically hundreds of years of this misuse of Newtonian physics, we've ended up in a place where your average person walking down the street, I think, kind of naturally intuits that the world is this giant machine made out of particles.
	And why would you need a God to explain anything?
	And also, wasn't the Catholic Church kind of nasty to Galileo?
	And so the point of this book is that not only is that whole story wrong from the jump, it's also really outdated scientifically.
	And that in fact what we're realizing now is the world doesn't work like a machine.
	It never has.
	There's much more mystery in it and much more...
	But even if it did work like a machine, they had to bracket off the most important things in life.
	So purpose, love, meaning?
	Science gives you no answers.
	No.
	And it, in fact, is a mode of blinding yourself to those realities.
	Expressly, right?
	I mean, Galileo, again, not necessarily because Galileo thought there was no such thing as love or purpose or meaning, but because Galileo was trying to stake out a field of investigation.
	How do you figure out answers to questions like, does the Earth revolve around the sun or the sun revolve around the Earth?
	In order to do that, you sort of can isolate this very specific process of quantification.
	You have to measure things that you can tally up and calculate.
	Those were what came to be called primary qualities.
	On the other side of the ledger, you have all the stuff you just described, which is the reality of life.
	The obvious, evident fact that we have souls, desires, minds, love, all these things we experience.
	We're kind of bracketed, as you said, as these sort of secondary things that come from our experience of the world.
	Now, they do, in fact, inhere in our experience of the world, but we are plainly real, and that experience is real, and to try to explain those things away rather than simply disregard them is kind of what ends us up, I think, where we are.
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	I'm curious in your...
	Research and your discussions with subjects of the book.
	Is there any self-awareness that those who live in the rarefied scientific world may have lost the plot completely?
	There's Dawkins recently, I think it was a radio interview in the UK, where he said, well...
	Yes, I am an atheist, but I would really miss not going to church at Christmas time.
	There's something about walking in there and the hymns and going, yeah, maybe you want to sit down and think about why going to church at Christmas time, who was it, Blaise Pascal, who said, you can deny the existence of God, but you've just created a God-shaped hole in the soul, right?
	Yes.
	Of course.
	I mean, how does Dawkins not even see this?
	This is the thing.
	He's now a cultural Christian.
	Which is so funny.
	By that, I think he means that he prefers Christmas lights in the streets to Islamofascist murder, right?
	A hard choice.
	A little too, little too late, right?
	This is kind of...
	But actually, it's interesting.
	A lot of people are getting something like that inkling, and some people are going further than Dawkins.
	So Ayaan Hirsi Ali had a somewhat similar train of thought that, in fact...
	This is a woman who grew up in a Muslim nation, a female genital mutilation victim, became an expert on jihadism.
	What has she said recently?
	Right.
	Well, so she escaped from this terrible Islamist persecution and became a major political figure in Europe, but then found that, in fact, free speech in Europe is also...
	is also desperately under threat.
	And, you know, she's one of the most courageous public intellectuals of our time.
	And she was an atheist, I believe, because, you know, who wouldn't be after God, after you've been treated that way in God's name.
	But as one of the foremost fighters for what you would call kind of liberal democracy with a small L and a small D, she started to realize that all of these ideals that we've got, like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, even freedom of the press, you know, these aren't just, they don't drop out of the sky.
	They have a kind of origin in Christianity.
	So she kind of took one step further and said, I really think we've made a terrible wrong turn and that we actually need the metaphysics of this.
	We need the, like, hard-charging, honest-to-goodness, God on the cross of it all, not just the Christmas lights.
	So there's a big, like, I think...
	We're going through a moment now of people sort of coming to grips with this in different ways.
	And there's a wonderful quote that I've always loved, even though it's kind of misattributed to Werner Heisenberg.
	But there's a version of it that goes, you know, the first sip from the cup of science will turn you into an atheist.
	But if you drain the cup all the way down, then God is waiting for you at the bottom.
	And I think when you ask, like, are people kind of coming online realizing that this was an error, this idea of the war between science and religion, those with the courage of their convictions are coming, waking up to the idea that something must be going on, right?
	Fred Hoyle, one of the great astrophysicists, right, says that someone's been monkeying around with the universe.
	You start to get these knocks on the door.
	And one of the sad things about the research for me was seeing people come to these realizations or the great quantum physicists starting to contemplate what it would mean for a kind of prime observer to bring the universe into being.
	And you think like, you know, guys, that's what's described in general.
	I mean, you're really just describing the world as in general.
	Right.
	The absurdity of what pretzels they have to tie themselves into to deny the absolute logical scientific necessity of the unmoved mover.
	I mean, the worst of it.
	I mean, it was truly Monty Python.
	The multiverse.
	Oh my gosh.
	The multiverse.
	Well...
	We're going to need an infinite number of alternate universes and then ours is one of them.
	I mean, that is the most pathetic, obvious cop-out.
	It's not just obvious and absurd.
	It's also ancient.
	This is not even a new idea.
	I mean, Epicurus and Democritus, their original atomism in the ancient world leads you to Epicurus talking about the metacosmia, the spaces between worlds and maybe in this field, you know.
	So this is something that is totally unscientific in the sense of, like, truly you cannot verify it or test it.
	It's It's purely an article of faith based on pre-existing commitment to.
	And their system doesn't work unless you buy into this unprovable garbage.
	It's like a cult.
	It's sort of similar to what Dawkins was saying in that clip, right?
	That idea, by the way, is called He said that this other civilization could have seeded life on Earth through a spaceship landing.
	Okay, so I think my religion is a little bit more logical than alien sperm flying through the universe.
	It's true.
	Once you get into this stuff, like, maybe back in the day you could see, like, oh, science, very rational.
	And now it's like, well, maybe we're living in a simulation designed by a giant computer nerd.
	It's like, right, okay, so how is that different?
	I think there's a guy called Descartes who dealt with that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This is all kind of old news and has obvious absurdities inherent in it that are clearly motivated.
	They're clearly trying to save this kind of mechanistic idea.
	Are they in trouble?
	Is the edifice cracking?
	I think it actually is.
	And this is something that we're used to thinking that the scientists, the atheists, not the scientists, the atheists have totally won.
	That Christianity is receding from the world.
	Do you notice how the Bible sales are up by like 22% from last October to this most recent October?
	In one year?
	Yeah, in one year they spiked.
	And that's not like people suddenly reciting the Nicene Creed.
	This is a very private kind of germination of something beginning.
	But no, people have this very deep sense, I think, that the questions we're facing actually cannot be answered clearly by empirical science.
	And as somebody who worked for him and God willing will work for him, I think there may be a connection to President Trump walking across Lafayette Square to the presidential church that the secular lunatics tried to firebomb.
	And what did he do?
	He held up the Bible outside that church, that place of worship.
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	So fine-tuning of a degree that goes beyond anything that's inside a laptop.
	What about...
	The whole other field we haven't even mentioned, really, which is morality.
	How can...
	I mean, honestly, let's be just totally brutal now.
	If you don't believe in a supreme being, then surely anything is permissible.
	This is, again, something that Friedrich Nietzsche observed long ago, and at the time, in the 1800s, this was sort of a radical thing to say.
	Well, of course we'll just have morality.
	It's just common sense.
	Decency.
	We'll just be nice to each other.
	And that, I think, has remained basically the position.
	I mean, it is now, I think, kind of embroidered with this pseudo-Darwinian evolutionary theory.
	Usually what people refer to here is like, well, we evolved to treat one another well.
	Because as you can see from observing nature, oh wait, let's peer under the, oh my goodness, you know, that is like an argument that is plainly inadequate.
	It's not that you can't explain some things through kind of natural selection, but the idea that we get our morality, the idea that people sacrifice themselves for the good of their country or for some abstraction on the basis purely of like survivalist instincts, obviously falling apart.
	Or even Even the more sophisticated, you know, I'm a utilitarian, this idea that as if atoms in space, human beings are doing a cost-benefit analysis at any one given time, it's risible.
	And it's one of those situations where if you perform a utilitarian calculus, you end up with results that are so obviously anti-human and wrong that it sort of refutes itself.
	This is one of those areas where, you know, if it weren't I think that's part of the cultural element, too, that you were describing that people are...
	We're starting to realize how bereft we are of larger systems of meaning and into that empty space that Pascal talks about comes wokeness, comes radical environmentalism, comes all of these pseudo-theologies that people are We're good to go.
	Sacrifice humanity on the altar of some other god.
	It's just that it might not work out so well for you.
	In terms of the crack in the edifice with regards to the Big Bang and why we're here, is there a similar kind of crack occurring with The source of morality?
	Are atheists going, maybe I was wrong?
	Are we seeing any of that?
	Honestly, I think it's trans.
	I think that with this trans stuff, I mean, it was a big factor.
	Nobody can tell me it wasn't a major factor in the election.
	I've been saying that for years.
	This is going to red pill tens of millions of people.
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	And it absolutely did.
	And for a while, it looked like they were just going to force it on us like they've forced so many other things.
	But in fact, it was a bridge too far.
	Trump ran that brilliant ad, or a couple of those brilliant ads about Kamala and her position on this.
	So manifestly ludicrous.
	Again, it's not that people look at that and instantly think, ah, I must pray to the Virgin Mary or whatever.
	But they do see that there's something utterly wrong with That's objectively wrong.
	Yeah, yeah, just manifestly, objectively wrong.
	And then they think, well, like, what exactly is this philosophy?
	And it is just materialism carried to its logical conclusion if all we are is these interchangeable parts.
	That's good.
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	All right, we've been talking about the hole in the soul.
	If you say God doesn't exist...
	No better illustration than this clip, but I think my friend Chris Plant on the morning show in D.C., I think he plays it pretty much every single day.
	This is perhaps one of the most cretinous congresswomen on Capitol Hill from California.
	The one, the only, Katie Porter.
	Ms. Thunberg, I just wanted to ask you one question.
	I have a nine-year-old daughter, I have three kids, and I told my nine-year-old daughter that I was going to be speaking with you and I said, what do you think about the climate change?
	And she said, the earth is on fire and we're all going to die soon.
	And I asked her how that made her feel and she said it made her feel angry.
	So that's Katie Porter talking to Greta Thunberg.
	Before I answer the question that I want to ask you, it's kind of like, isn't that child abuse?
	Imagine just telling on yourself like that.
	Just getting on TV and saying, I abuse my child.
	That is really wild.
	I mean, is somebody...
	If anyone's child is encouraged to think the world is in fire and we're all going to die, that child should be taken into protective services.
	I feel the same way about children that are raised in death cults.
	I mean, if you saw somebody telling their kids, like, the angry sky god is going to eat us all alive in flame, you would say this is potentially...
	Abuse.
	Yeah, abuse.
	You should probably take that child away from them.
	It's wild.
	Let me go back forensically.
	I don't want to oversimplify things, but where we end up with that, the world is going to end, we're a cult, God doesn't exist, or Gaia is the replacement God.
	How much can we lay at the feet of Darwin and Freud for all of this?
	I mean...
	I mean, is it like 90%?
	Yeah, I don't want to get...
	And the deconstructionists throw it in there.
	Throw in the French, we've got it pretty sewn up.
	We can say it was a team effort, I think.
	Darwin and Freud, heavy hitters.
	Yeah, major, and you know, Foucault, Derrida, major...
	Right, on the philosophical side, but the Darwin gives us this pseudoscience.
	I mean, I'm not a, what do they call it, creationist, but the flaws, especially in terms of time required for survival of the fittest to actually bring us to where we are today.
	Yeah.
	It's just like crap science.
	I mean, it is tough with these guys, because I think Darwin would have been enormously troubled by a lot of what people have done with his work.
	And that's not to say that he's totally blameless in this operation, just that, you know, you do get...
	But he's monstrously arrogant as well.
	There is this weird analogy all throughout Origin of Species between Mother Nature and English hunting dogs, that basically nature is culling us the way that English gentlemen cull their dogs.
	But this was the high noon of confidence that we could explain everything.
	I mean, this was the 19th century, especially in Germany, but also to a certain extent in England.
	It was just people thought they could take this and explain everything.
	But it leads all the way to Sanger.
	I mean, you don't have Sanger without Darwin.
	You don't have eugenics without Darwin.
	Darwin was, in fact, toyed with the eugenics throughout his career.
	And, you know, you take one step further from that clip you just played, and you get to Les Knight, who told the New York Times that humanity is a bad species, and we need to just...
	We are the disease.
	Yeah, we've got to nope out of existence, right?
	We have to allow our species to die.
	And...
	For me, Darwin is almost just a symptom of something that's already been going on, which is this elimination of the human.
	And at a philosophical level, that starts much earlier.
	That starts with the Enlightenment, or even before this, what we were talking about before, this notion that...
	All of our experience is just this illusion that is super added onto the bare reality, which is just material parts mindlessly colliding together.
	I think Darwin is taking that logic another step further, and every time it advances, you see more and more how inhuman it is.
	But if it wasn't Darwin, somebody was going to come along and say something along these lines.
	And then what about Freud?
	It's culpability.
	Everything is Oedipal and sex and, you know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
	Yeah, this is not a pipe.
	I am more inclined to blame Freud, actually.
	I have a lot more time for Darwin than I do for Freud.
	Okay, so tell me why Freud is more culpable.
	Well, for me, it's always the philosophy first more than the individual scientific discoveries.
	So somebody like Darwin is actually trying to answer a particular problem.
	And he's working within a paradigm that, as we've discussed, is what they now call problematic.
	But Freud is actually developing that paradigm in a very intentional philosophical way.
	And what he's really doing is he's secularizing the Holy Trinity.
	He's taking our innate experience of the divine and the moral law and translating it into an automatic biological process generated through childhood and is all kind of nerve impulses.
	Passages in Freud that are some of the earliest places where you can find somebody saying, well, maybe it's all just electrochemical germplasm stimuli, you know, a way of talking that is now ubiquitous.
	So the ultimate machine interpretation of humanity.
	Yeah, and this is how you get to, like, John Mayer talking about going into a serotonin overflow when he sees his lover in a pop song.
	It's like, Mayer is not a philosopher, but this is the downstream effects of this kind of stuff, I think.
	That's interesting.
	So more culpability for Freud.
	If it were a game show and I had to kick them off the island, I would kick Freud off the island first.
	Because it's more overtly closer to an ideology?
	It's more eyes open, I think.
	And it is more...
	Dogmatic.
	I mean, Freud has this thing, at the end of his career, he gives a speech to a bunch of aspiring scientists of the mind, as he calls them, and he says absolutely nothing should be off-limits from the scientific method of investigation, including the human soul.
	And, of course, this is deeply incoherent, because who's going to do the investigating?
	But, you know, there is, like, I think a real streak in Freud.
	And the other thing about it is that it has gone deeper into our psyches maybe even than I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	You've got a blur from Rod Rea, Benedict Option, Live Not By Lies.
	If this keeps moving in the right direction, I look at the pro-life thing.
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	I mean, I think a couple of years from now and the whole abortion thing is dead because everybody's going to have this science.
	Yeah, this is a thing.
	You know, from conception, there's a spark.
	It's alive.
	It's unique DNA. Can you just, guys, stop being, you know, woo-woo cultists.
	It's alive.
	Um...
	How do we get to the revivification of this innate knowledge about the source of morality, the existence of a creator?
	Will it have to be institutional church leaders, community leaders?
	Or what's your expectation?
	Something a little bit more organic or, you know, books by the Clavons?
	Of course, absolutely everybody in America must buy my book.
	That's clearly the answer.
	And some dad's books.
	Truth and beauty is pretty good.
	Wait, who?
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	What?
	The other guy.
	Oh, right.
	That guy.
	The bald guy.
	No, I mean, for one thing, another of Rod Dreher's books is called Live Not By Law.
	It's a Solzhenitsyn quote.
	And I think for a long time that has been the most needful, the most lacking thing is just courage to...
	Not to lie.
	This election is going to solve every problem, but it has opened the door, I think, to a lot more people just being frank about where their heads are actually at.
	Not hiding their beliefs.
	Not hiding their beliefs, even if those beliefs are not fully-fledged Christianity, but being ready to say, you know, this whole multiverse thing doesn't make sense to me.
	I feel like there's something missing in my life.
	Then maybe there's a new plane.
	All of that stuff is now on the table, I think, in a way that it hasn't been before.
	And so for me, the big question is...
	Can we translate that into a robust American political Christianity?
	Because obviously we have the establishment clause that keeps the government from intervening in people's religious lives.
	But a disestablishment clause that has been deliberately misinterpreted.
	Exactly.
	That you can't have a...
	A national church.
	You cannot.
	But that doesn't mean that you can't make reference to religion.
	It doesn't mean you can't reason religiously.
	Or have policy informed by faith values.
	Exactly.
	And so, on the one hand, you have that bad tradition that you're describing of misusing the First Amendment to...
	To scare people out of any mention of God in the public square.
	And there are people now that genuinely think our Constitution says you can't say God on TV or something.
	On the other hand, I think there's a reaction against that that is very angry.
	People are ready, understandably, to try to impose a religious revival from the top down.
	The integrationists.
	No, yeah.
	I just don't think that is going to work, ultimately.
	Not within the American tradition.
	What you need is some way of expressing people's genuine religious sentiments in a political movement that's not afraid of praying in school, that's not afraid of reasoning from the first principles, which include the existence of a creator, and that is nevertheless recognizably American.
	I think we have a shot at it.
	But is it going to be just individual actors?
	No, no.
	Getting to some kind of...
	Well, I think you need, you do need that.
	You need a groundswell, but I think we've got that going on and have had it for a while.
	I think you need intellectual leaders like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, like yourself, not to flatter you, but people that are prominent in public life, politically and apolitically.
	I mean, it's not just people in government, although that's involved.
	You need more of them.
	Yes.
	Well, that's the battle.
	I mean, you need more of them and you need more people to be forthright and forthcoming about what they actually believe, which is not this sort of vague, gestural Christianity of like Joe Biden, I'm a Catholic or whatever he is, you know, while I'm sort of throwing the borders open and advocating abortion and all this stuff.
	You need people that are reasonable.
	I think J.D. Vance is a good example of this.
	You have people that are quite prominent now that are very forthright about their faith.
	The key is making the argument in public that because I have these religious beliefs, I think that this is the right answer to, say, the abortion question.
	Yeah, for me, and I'm trying deliberately not to make a univalent or super simple explanation, It really is as if there's a switch.
	I mean, I think your dad says this all the time, that everybody or, you know, the majority of civilization lives by the Christian values, but they're just not prepared to openly say, I live by Christian values.
	Or to recognize them as Christian values.
	Maybe.
	Maybe that's the first step.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But there has to be this moment where you flick a switch and you say, well, I am living by these values, so I am allowed to avow them.
	And to openly endorse them and promulgate them.
	I think this is what they now call a permission structure.
	It's one of these very trendy phrases that people...
	Don't say lived experience.
	No, the permission structure is our one.
	Lived experience is their one.
	But permission structure was after the first assassination attempt on Trump.
	I heard a lot of people, like when Mark Zuckerberg was saying, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen or whatever.
	And all the Silicon Valley guys are kind of, suddenly it's okay.
	Did somebody coin this phrase?
	Yeah, permission structure.
	I think it was around already, but they took this idea.
	That's a permission structure.
	When you have prominent people, not even necessarily saying, I'm voting for Trump.
	Although, you know, Elon was obviously a major factor.
	But just people that can say, you know, that was pretty cool.
	I don't care what you think.
	I'm going to say one last thing just on this permission structure because it's so fascinating.
	I've told several people.
	I think I've said it maybe on the show, but I've done it in interviews.
	I was at Butler for the second Trump rally when the president went back.
	And I didn't realize, I was literally second row behind Vance, and there was a guy sitting next to Vance in a bullcap, and I couldn't see who it was.
	I thought it was one of the rappers who likes President Trump.
	And I'm listening to the President give his speech, where he was shot, and about 20 minutes in, the President's still speaking.
	And this chant starts from behind us.
	And I was there four hours early.
	The crowd spanned to the horizon.
	I mean, just gargantuan crowd.
	And this chant starts.
	And it's Elon.
	Elon.
	And I'm thinking, hang on a second.
	What's going on?
	And I realize the guy in front of me in the ball cab, because he turns around, is Elon Musk.
	This is before he jumps up on the stage and goes, fight, fight, fight.
	And I'm thinking, hang on a second.
	We are in deepest rural Pennsylvania.
	And young guys who probably work on the farm are chanting for the billionaire African immigrant.
	I think that's permission.
	That's absolutely.
	I mean, these guys are the new celebrities.
	This is the new Hollywood.
	And it's funny because you watch the Democrats continue to trot out.
	The old.
	Yeah, Robert De Niro or somebody.
	It's like, who?
	Who the heck has heard of Robert De Niro?
	That makes me feel old.
	And even like Beyonce and people that us geriatric millennials really like, this is all part of this totally dead world of glamour.
	And now, you know, there's a whole new world of vitality and excitement in these tech platforms where, by the way, you can get a permission structure going much more quickly in digital media.
	For all the things that are bad about TikTok and about Twitter and whatever.
	That's interesting.
	It's in those spaces that you can actually say, you know what?
	Like the first person that says something, I think this Trump guy might be kind of cool.
	Or Elon, I love Elon, catches fire.
	All right, I want to continue the discussion.
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