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Breathe in deep, my friends.
Suck in the air.
Doesn't it just smell and taste fresher?
Doesn't everything you do just feel a little bit sweeter?
The food tastes a little bit better.
That's what it's like to be winning.
That is the taste.
That is the smell.
That is the feel of victory.
Welcome to America First.
I'm Bob France.
And the winning hasn't stopped since last Tuesday.
It hasn't.
Because President Trump is just giving us daily doses, oftentimes multiple doses of winning, with one fantastic appointment after another, after another, after another.
How do we know they're fantastic?
None of them has done the job yet.
How do we have any earthly idea, after all?
President Trump picked the wrong people the first time around in a lot of places.
Rex Tillerson wasn't the right guy.
Jeff Sessions wasn't the right guy.
I mean, he picked a lot of people.
How do we know these are the right choices this time around?
Do you want to know the answer to that?
Because the left is freaking out, melting down, crumbling.
I mean, and it is just a glorious thing to behold.
And we're going to talk about it today.
We're going to talk about how it all went down.
Not just the victory on November 5th, but every victory since then.
And we're going to talk about how to build upon that victory to make sure that this wasn't a one-off.
That this wasn't some sort of an outlier.
That this first Republican national popular vote victory since the 80s, this first 312 electoral vote landslide victory, the biggest since the 80s, honestly, we have to make sure it wasn't just a blip on the radar screen, a moment in time.
We have to ensure that we build on this.
So the victory lap.
I think today is the end, 100%.
I think today is the end of the victory lap.
We've been partying like rock stars since Wednesday, December 6th, or the night of Tuesday, December 5th.
Shockingly, we found out.
But we've been partying like rock stars, and deservedly so.
But the reality of it is...
We can only, you know, it's kind of like that playoff win.
If you win the AFC championship game, you know, yeah, you enjoy the hell out of it.
You're popping champagne in the locker room because you're the AFC or the NFC champions and you're going to the Super Bowl.
That can only last so long before it's time to start prepping for the championship game.
So I'm mixing metaphors here because I've been talking about this on my local show.
By the way, Bob France, host of Strictly Speaking Radio on AM 1420, The Answer in Cleveland, Ohio, 9 to noon.
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But I was telling my local audience for the better part of the last two weeks, or almost two weeks I guess now, That it's like a boxing match.
But it's a boxing match with no end.
And no, I'm not talking about Mike Tyson and Jake Paul in their goofy little exhibition tonight.
Although we may talk about that later.
In the old days, it used to be 15-round boxing, you know, championship fights.
And then, of course, that's too hard, so you've got to knock them down to 12.
But in the fight for control of this country, it'll be never-ending.
There is no last round.
But you still have to win rounds in order to, you know, ultimately secure victory.
So what we had happen last Tuesday, as I mix my football and boxing metaphors here, It was a massive round.
Anybody who knows how boxing is scored, it's usually a one-point victory for whoever won the round.
Meaning, whoever the judges felt like did better, scored the most hits, controlled the pace, commanded the ring, blah, blah, blah.
It's usually 10-9.
Every round is about 10-9.
Unless you knock somebody down, you're probably going to get a 10-8.
And then they total them up at the end.
And if you have a two-knockdown round, I mean, it's rare, but you could have a 10-7.
If somebody survives two knockdowns and it's not a TKO, it's rare, but it could be a 10-7.
Here's my point.
What happened last Tuesday was a big round in this championship fight, a huge one, probably a 10-7 round.
You knocked them down by knocking Kamala Harris the hell out of Washington and back to San Francisco.
That's a huge knockdown.
But you also knocked down Chuck Schumer and got him in his, You have released a whirlwind, Gorsuch!
And Kavanaugh, you knocked Chuck Schumer the hell out of the Senate Majority Leader position.
That's another knockdown.
We still held the House, slim, but held it.
So it's a massive round, but here's what we have to ensure.
We have to ensure that it wasn't a lucky punch.
Anybody, if you're a puncher, has what they call a puncher's chance, and if you close your eyes and swing hard enough, maybe you make a connection or not, we have to make sure this wasn't a lucky punch, and then we get up into the next round and start getting our butts kicked again.
The work begins now.
Today should be the last day of partying.
By the way, to Donald Trump's credit, Donald Trump, President 45 slash 47, he hasn't celebrated at all.
He went right to work on Wednesday and started putting his cabinet together, for crying out loud.
It's extraordinary.
What he has done is extraordinary.
The rest of us are like enjoying that as just part of the victory party.
You're like, pass me another beer and a bag of popcorn.
We're having a great time here.
But no, in all seriousness.
It begins now for everybody who wants to make sure that this isn't a one-off and that this is the beginning of something incredible that's going to last a very, very long time.
And that is what the expectation has to be here.
President Trump is already a lame duck.
He can't have another term after this one.
But he can sure as hell pass the baton to J.D. Vance.
He can sure as hell pass the baton to Vivek Ramaswamy, to Ron DeSantis, or maybe the three of them can share the baton for the next 24 years.
You know, eight years for each of them.
They're all young enough, 45, 30, I'm sorry, what, J.D. is 40, and Vivek, I think, is 39, DeSantis is 45.
These are some of the great, young, conservative minds ready to go and pick up the mantle.
But we have to, the only way those things come to pass is how.
The next four years have to be exactly what Donald Trump promised they would be.
What did he promise they would be?
It's the beginning of a new golden age.
That's what President Trump ran on.
A golden age of peace and prosperity.
A golden age of low taxes, more take-home pay.
A golden age of a secured country with borders that actually are borders.
Energy independence, where the energy is flowing from the ground.
The liquid gold that he always talks about beneath our feet.
We're going to drill baby drill.
We're going to frack baby frack.
We're going to do everything we can.
We're going to mine.
We're going to get rid of these ridiculous EV mandates.
We're going to have inflation back under 2% again.
All of these things have to happen.
Peace around the world.
Peace around the world because the last time this guy had control of the reins of power in the United States, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, the Iranian mullahs, the Ayatollah, Khamenei, you know, Kim Jong-un, which one is it now?
The dynasty Kim Jong-un.
What have they done?
What did they do?
They stayed right in their little narrow lanes.
They didn't budge because they knew this guy doesn't play.
And I promise you, That this guy, with his new Director of National Intelligence, with his new Secretary of Defense, with his new Secretary of State, with the team he's putting together, they are going to be more than ever afraid to step out of their lanes.
All of them.
We don't play security and peace through overwhelming strength.
That's what this country is going to project now.
So that's our task.
Our task is to make the next four years every bit the golden age that Donald Trump promised they would be and is absolutely doable.
It is absolutely doable with this incredible team, the staff, this administration that he's putting together right now.
And it is really only a question of how great we are going to make America again.
Not whether or not we will, but how great we will.
And that's what we're going to talk about today.
Coming up, we're going to talk to Robert Cahaly from the Trafalgar Group, CEO of the Trafalgar Group, the polling organization.
Got their fingers on the pulse of how things went the way they did, why they went the way they did.
A lot of polling services got it way wrong, not the Trafalgar Group.
440 today, we're going to talk to, excuse me, next hour, depending on where you're listening, John Lott on Second Amendment Friday, and Todd Benzman, Senior National Security Fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies is going to talk about what Tom Holman and Kristi Noem and the rest of the team are going to do to secure the homeland and begin the deportation proceedings.
What I'm going to ask you right off the rip here on America First is this question.
Which of the appointments so far is your favorite?
I've got mine, and I'll share it shortly, but I want to know of all of the names you have heard the President announce, which one has you the most fired up?
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All right, America first indeed.
Bob Franson for Dr.
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So we were just talking off the air with our guest who we're going to bring on in a second here about the Joe Rogan interview that President Trump did shortly before the election.
What a massive home run that he hit and that J.D. Vance hit and then Elon.
I think Rogan gave like all of them combined like nine hours of tremendous pub in front of a massive audience.
But President Trump and Joe Rogan were talking about polling and about how so far off so many of these polling services are.
How badly they got it wrong during the 2016 election and how badly they got so much of it wrong in 2020.
And they were talking about how I don't even know anybody who's ever taken a call or done one of these polls.
How do we know they're even polling anybody rather than writing things down To manipulate and affect people's actions.
Because when people know that their side is winning, they may be more or less inclined to go out there and vote.
And if they think their person has no chance, they'll be less inclined to vote and so on and so forth.
How do we know they're not manipulating anything?
I thought it was a fascinating part of their conversation and something I want to talk about with our guest, Robert Cahaley, CEO of the Trafalgar Group, a polling service that gets it done and gets it done right.
And Robert, thanks for the time.
How are you?
Listen, I'm doing great and it's an honor to be here.
I'm a big fan of the show and just talking about polling and how bad the other guys are is my favorite subject.
It ought to be.
It ought to be.
Because when you're on top, you like to revel in the defeat of your enemies or your opponents or your competition.
And I don't know how many.
There's got to be two, three dozen polling services out there.
And I saw a ranking recently, Robert, of the ones talking about the battle.
It was a breakdown of the battleground state polling.
And the overwhelming majority of them were so far off and so far wrong, and I don't know how many different ways there are to poll, but you guys at Trafalgar are not in that group.
You guys are right at the top of the heap.
What is the difference between a responsible, respectable polling service and one of the garbage ones?
Well, and as the results continue to come in, that ranking is actually changing.
We've moved within one-tenth of a point, and North Carolina and two-tenths a point in Pennsylvania.
So as the results continue to come in, our numbers continue to get even better.
But no, what, I mean, the thing is, I've said for years that poll has one of two purposes.
It is either designed to reflect the electorate, or it is designed to affect the electorate.
And so much of this nonsense polling is designed to affect things.
They'll take somebody up so they can bring them down and create artificial momentum the other side.
They do all kind of manipulation.
And the thing is, it is actually very easy.
If you're inclined to do that, it's just a matter of like, hey, you weight one aspect of turnout a little different.
I mean, it's not like you're not doing anything Because you have your numbers, but your numbers are based on a model of who is going to vote.
And so you can simply shift the model and say, hey, I'm going to get 5% more youth turnout and 2% less turnout from this age group and 3% less turnout from this age group.
So it's easy to do that if your goal is not to get it right.
I'd love to tell you, as a quote-unquote Republican pollster, that I sit around and just cheer for the Republican Party.
The truth is, I cheer for my polls to be right.
I care more about winning and being the best at this than anything.
That's merit.
That's what it's all about, and that's why you are a conservative Republican, because that's what we believe in, doing it right, being better than the other guy, and winning based on merit, not being handed victories, participation, ribbons, or anything else because of DEI or something crazy like that.
So, Robert, let's talk a little bit about the numbers that you got right.
Let's talk about where the president's biggest gains were.
We all heard, obviously, on election night and thereafter from exit polling, that blacks came out for President Trump in unprecedented numbers.
Hispanic males, in particular, came out for President Trump.
Those are big groups.
What are some of the other key takeaways that President Trump, the code that he cracked in this election, that are repeatable?
Things that can be used, again, for future Well, let me start by saying, if you believe in hidden votes, which I certainly do, and people that are hesitant to say who they're voting for, then you have to believe also that if you won't tell a pollster, you're not going to tell a kid with a clipboard at the polls.
So I would argue that Trump's numbers are better than even the exit poll set, because people are still hesitant to say how they vote.
And so what I would tell you is, He has done unprecedented stuff, that he has that degree of people who are willing to admit they voted for him.
And so there's even more than that.
So he's widened the base.
I think they had a decision to make early.
And this is a somewhat controversial thing to say, I think.
But I really believe it's true that everybody kept saying, you've got to go up to the suburban women, you've got to focus on the suburban women, you've got to go up to Nikki Haley voters.
And they realize there's a segment of those women that feel that way who just don't like Trump.
They're not going to change their mind.
If they don't like him personally, they can't be convinced to vote for him.
Now, there's a segment who can't, but they didn't waste, you know, $500 million trying to convince people they couldn't convince.
They went right at the heart of The suburban women who could be moved over safety and other issues, and then they went to the Democrats' base.
They said, hey, how would you like us to take a piece of what you used to think was a monolithic Black vote, and now that they're getting some attention and deserve it, I'm going to take a piece of that.
How about a piece of the Hispanic vote?
How about a piece of all these different groups' votes?
Because what a lot of those groups have in common is people that are of deep faith.
And when the Democrat Party says they represent them identity politics-wise, but don't represent them values-wise, they're able to be picked up.
And so what they did, and was very smart, is they went right at the Democrat base and they took pieces of it that made the Democrats winning impossible.
What was the biggest surprise for you, Robert Cahaley, CEO of the Trafalgar Group?
The piece that he took of the black vote or the piece that he took from the Hispanic vote?
The reason I ask that is because many people felt like in the black community they were frustrated because they were losing jobs.
They were losing opportunities to this massive influx of Hispanics, you know, were taking their jobs, you know, with the illegal immigration and so forth.
And so it's Kind of odd, there was a little bit of, I don't know, competition between those two groups, but both of them came out in massive numbers, again, respectively, for President Trump.
Comparatively, I should say.
Well, because the fact is, you know, whether, what we saw was frustration.
And sometimes the frustration was about illegal immigrants taking their jobs.
Sometimes the frustration was illegal immigrants in foreign countries getting the government resources they desperately needed.
I mean, when you've been frustrated, and all of a sudden you see the government rolling out the red carpet for illegal aliens and buying them groceries, and you're barely feeding your family, that doesn't make you very happy.
No, not at all.
And I'll tell you what, it was an amazing job that the president did to appeal to both of those voter groups and all of the demographics.
Robert K. Haley of the Trafalgar Group, great analysis.
Thank you, sir.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
All right, Dr.
G, thank you for allowing me to sit in on America First on this free-for-all Friday.
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Great chat there with Robert Cahaley of Trafalgar.
I want you to hear something.
I'm just going to admit to you.
I have been...
A massive Sylvester Stallone fan for a very, very long time.
And it's not, I mean, for a lot of reasons.
It's not just the movies.
I mean, obviously, it's that.
That's how he became who he is.
But that guy, because of his, you know, his speaking style and, of course, the paralysis of his face that was suffered when he was born and, you know, the way that he talks and, of course, he played Rocky and it's, you know, as if he's dumb.
That guy...
He's one of the most intelligent, well-spoken, deep thinkers in all of Hollywood, and maybe just in all of celebrity.
Every time I've heard him speak through the decades in an interview that wasn't about one of his movies, I'm blown away by his knowledge of things.
Blown away.
And I just, there's something that is absolutely appealing of Sylvester Stallone as an actor and as a person.
And I have always suspected, despite him never talking, you know what?
I actually did the segment with Dr.
G on the Manhood Hour, and we talked about this.
And he asked me who my, you know, some of my heroes were in that regard.
And I said Sylvester Stallone.
I also said Denzel Washington for a different reason.
But I always had a suspicion, even though we never talked about politics, that Sylvester Stallone was quote-unquote one of us.
I really did.
You know, he never, you know, Schwarzenegger got into politics.
Obviously ran as a rhino Republican in the whole nine yards.
And that was nice for a little while, by the way.
I lost faith in Arnold Schwarzenegger in COVID, if you recall.
Do you guys remember, Eric, Jeff, do you guys remember what Schwarzenegger said during COVID that cost him millions and millions of conservative fans?
He actually said when it came to, you know, staying home during the lockdowns and getting the shots and people were complaining about, you know, they didn't want their freedoms being violated.
Arnold Schwarzenegger said, and I quote, F your freedoms.
And he didn't just say the letter.
He said the three magical letters that follow the F. Blank your freedoms.
He's all about taking care of somebody else's family.
How dare you not get vaccinated?
How dare you go out and potentially...
Schwarzenegger turned out to be a squish.
But I always had a feeling that Sylvester Stallone was one of us.
And now we found out that Sylvester Stallone is absolutely one of us.
Play cut two, please.
When George Washington defended his country, he had no idea that he was going to change the world.
Because without him, you can imagine what the world would look like.
Guess what?
We got the second George Washington.
Congratulations!
Sylvester Stallone introducing President Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
I don't even know what the gala was last night, but all I know is that Stallone was there and Stallone called Donald Trump the second George Washington, the father of the country.
The man most responsible, along with the other founders, but the man most responsible because he led the army that led the victory over the Brits and gave us this country.
And Donald Trump is our second George Washington.
I just absolutely loved that.
And I wanted to share it with you in case you had not heard it yourself.
Now, there are a few other things that I'd like to say about celebrities that are a little bit different.
And if you're on hold, by the way, I'm coming right to you, I promise you.
And if you're not on hold, you should be.
Get there.
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I read an article, and I actually did a video the day after the election.
Again, my videos are all on my website, which is strictlyspeaking.org.
But I do something that I call Bob France Road Rants.
Whenever I'm in the truck and I'm driving around and I've got something that I really, really want to think about, I really want to say, I'll just flip on the camera and I'll do a road rant and I'll upload it.
I did a road rant about celebrities.
What do Beyonce and Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift and Robert De Niro and Meryl Streep and all the rest of them and Megan Thee Stallion, what do they all have in common?
And the answer is, the American people don't give one flying red blank about what they think about politics.
That is one thing that we found.
Kamala Harris spent millions buying the endorsements of every non-political thinking celebrity she could find to give her an endorsement, thinking that people were just so stupid they would say, well, Taylor sang a great song and she says shake it off, so I should go and vote for who she says.
Celebrity endorsements are dead.
Celebrity influence is dead.
And that is exactly where it should be.
Buried.
We're going to talk more about that coming up.
I'll take your calls too.
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Hey, I interviewed Tom Homan this morning.
And I know Seb had him on yesterday.
But I had Tom Homan on the border czar.
And I want to play a clip from my interview with him today.
And if you're on hold, I'm coming right to you after this.
So bear with me.
I was prepping for my morning show, which is 9 to noon, Eastern.
And I had on Hugh Hewitt, and then I had on the background, I had Fox News up on TV. And I saw an outline of the state of Tennessee.
And then I saw stars on the four biggest cities in Tennessee, which are Nashville and Knoxville and Memphis and Chattanooga.
And I turned it up real quick.
And come to find out, something I did not know...
That Trende Aragua, the violent trafficking transnational gang that took over massive apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado, has essentially now spread to and filtered out into the biggest cities in Tennessee.
Why did that grab my attention?
It grabbed my attention because I have family in Tennessee, in one of those four big cities.
Somebody of whom I am very, very protective.
And I got a little bit, no, not a little bit.
Let me tell you how I got, and I'll tell you how my wife got.
We texted the family that we have in Tennessee, in one of those four big cities, and we said to her, do not ever be alone as long as these transnational criminals that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris allowed to march right across our southern border and into our cities to do more horrific things to people like the one did in Georgia where he's on trial right now, Jose Ibarra, for killing Lake and Riley.
Do not be alone ever Daytime or night is what we told our family.
And then a few minutes later, right before I went on the air, I saw my phone go off again and my wife followed up with me and with our loved one.
And she said, and my wife doesn't talk like this, but she texted and I'm going to read it.
F, including the magical letters after it, open borders.
Holman cannot get to work fast enough.
And F every woman who voted for Kamala, who would allow, I'm sorry, who would continue to allow these dangerous gang members into our country to abduct and traffic our women.
That's how worried my wife is and should be.
And if we've got listeners in Tennessee right now, I would love to hear you talk about how concerned you are about this.
But I told them, my wife and daughter, right before the show started, I have Tom Holman coming on in a few minutes, and I'm going to ask him directly about that and see what he said.
Tom Holman was not ambiguous in his response.
He was very direct in his response, and I want you to hear it.
Cut 10.
Okay, so border czar Tom Holman, I want to ask you about something personal to me here.
I've got family in Tennessee, okay, in a major city in Tennessee, and I just saw the report this morning on Fox that Trendea Aragua has expanded into all major cities of that state.
You know, we think of them because of Aurora, Colorado, but they are now, according to the report, in all major cities in Tennessee.
What can What can and will you do to deal with this violent transnational gang in the cities that are taking over, they're traffickers, they're among the most violent in the world.
What will you do about that?
We're going to take them out.
We're going to not only arrest and take off the streets, we're going to deport them.
And look, they need to understand that President Trump has made it clear in just about every speech he's given.
People are screaming and Concerned about this deportation operation.
It's a racist thing.
It's a scary thing.
No, no, no, no.
President Trump has made it clear.
When this deportation operation starts, the priority out of the gate is public safety threats and national security threats.
Penderagua is a public safety threat.
We're a threat for national security.
They're going to be a priority.
And a word to them, the good days of raising hell in this country is coming to an end.
The good days of violence in this country is coming to an end.
Because my gang says they're their gang, and they're not going to last very long.
I got to tell you, as soon as I heard that answer from Tom Homan on my program this morning, there was a sense of, I don't want to say relief, because they're still out there, and the Trump administration and the Homan border czar tactics, the deportation force, the new Department of Homeland Security is not in office yet, but there was a sense of, I don't know, calm that came over me when I heard that, because you know what?
I believe him.
I believe every word of what he said when he said, my gang is bigger than their gang and they're not going to last very long.
I believe exactly that.
I can honestly tell you, if we had not gotten this done last Tuesday and we had the Kamala Harris regime for the next four years and Trendy Aragua was in these cities, I don't know how much pull I would still have, but I would do everything I could to get my family out of those cities.
I just would.
Because I wouldn't trust that they're going to be safe.
I have a sense of trust.
I have a sense of belief.
I have a sense of relief because of Tom Homan's presence in this administration.
And I firmly believe he's going to do what he said he's going to do.
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Let's go to the phones.
We're going to talk to Emily calling us from...
Where is Emily calling us from?
I don't know, but she's on line one.
Emily, welcome to the show.
Go right ahead.
Hi.
I'm calling from Pittsburgh.
I just wanted to say that I heard about the appointment of Matt Gaetz for AG, and I just wanted to say we are so happy.
He is a bunker buster.
I like that.
He's the only one That took initiative and held Speaker Kevin McCarthy accountable for his bad face when he lied to the American people and to the House over making that budget and having Biden stick to it.
He was the one who took initiative.
He was the one who got it running and everything.
That was Gates.
We are so thrilled.
We are so happy.
Well, I will tell you this, Emily, and I'm glad you called from Pittsburgh.
Thank you so much for that phone call.
I have a little bit of a different view of Matt Gaetz from that standpoint.
Now, we'll talk about it after the break here.
I didn't like the quick trigger finger on invoking the rule that allowed just a single member to vacate the speakership.
I didn't like that.
I didn't think it was productive at that time.
And quite frankly, since that time, Mike Johnson has done the same thing McCarthy did and just done CR after CR after CR. But on the AG story, I agree with you 1,000%.
This is a bunker buster.
This is a bulldog.
This is a man who's not afraid to get dirty and to go down to what needs to be done in the DOJ. I am with you 1,000% on that.
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Okay, it is six minutes before the top of the hour.
Thank you, Dr.
G. Live on America First from Cleveland, Ohio.
My website is strictlyspeaking.org.
If you would check it out and maybe bookmark it, that would be fantastic.
I like to put great content there all of the time.
I'm going to go to line four.
Randy in Knoxville, Tennessee, one of the cities I was talking about where Trendy Aragua has apparently started a presence, and Lord only knows where that ends up.
But Randy, thank you for joining us.
Welcome.
Go ahead.
Hey, thanks, Bob.
Yeah, I moved here five years ago from the Atlanta area, bought an old fixer-upper.
I love Tennessee.
I love Knoxville.
In five years, my wife and I have seen a massive increase in the Hispanic population here.
I mean, it is so massive in a short five years, Bob, you wouldn't believe it.
This place It's a boom town.
East Tennessee is growing, and these guys, these 50 million that have come in here, man, they're coming here because they're doing so much work and all that.
It's just incredible, the amount of Hispanic folks that you see.
You know, I'm a house painter.
Man, I go in, and these guys, you know, they're in the construction business everywhere.
Look, it's incredible.
Five short years.
Bam!
It's just wild.
And of course, you know, the idea that Hispanic people are there is, of course, not an issue.
It's, are they legal?
That's a question.
I mean, I'm interested in their legality, and more importantly, I'm interested in what they do.
Because if they're hard workers, and they're there just illegally and trying to get jobs, it's one thing.
They still have to go.
But what I'd be worried about if I was you, and I am worried about, because I have family in that city, is the ones that are gang members.
It's the Nicaraguans, you know, the Trende Aragua Gang members, these transnationals, you know, the MS-13 members, they're the ones that are worrying me.
It's not necessarily because of their ethnicity.
It's because of what they do.
No kidding.
Absolutely.
It's these young men.
They look at you at red lights.
It's scary.
This isn't like down-home folks from, you know, south of the border.
It's kind of a scary thing.
And that's why, you know, I don't go to my mailbox without a pistol in my pocket.
Well, I don't blame you, my friend.
I don't blame you.
And thank you for the call.
I appreciate it.
And again, I don't want anybody taking any of this the wrong way.
We're talking about dangerous criminal aliens, not people because they happen to be Hispanic.
And the reality is...
The Biden administration, Biden and Harris, the former border czar, if you want to call her that, whatever.
You know, 195 countries have been represented in the illegal crossings.
Verified.
195 countries.
That's not even counting all of the known and unknown gotaways.
Talking about just the ones that have been encountered.
So, they're coming from all over.
They're not all from Latin America.
They're not all from Central America.
They're not all from South America.
So they're not all quote-unquote Hispanics.
But what they are, they're coming from everywhere.
Now these particular gangs that I'm so worried about, they are Hispanic gangs.
These are Hispanic, you know, the Venezuelan to be precise when it comes to Trendyragua.
And I think Nicaraguan is MS-13.
I think they, is their home base?
I can't recall for sure.
But you do understand the point.
Those are the ones that we're talking about right now.
It's not about ethnicity.
It's about their gang affiliation or terror affiliation.
Hour number one in the books.
That was fast.
Hour number two of America First is coming up.
Bob France in for Dr.
G. Thank
you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
All right, Dr.
G, thank you.
It is five minutes past the hour.
Hour number two is underway on a free-for-all Friday on America First.
It is the 15th morning of the 11th month in the year of our Lord 2024.
I love doing Fridays for Dr.
G whenever I'm asked because it's Second Amendment Friday.
It means I get to talk to John Lott.
We'll do that a little bit later this hour.
John is awesome.
Crime Prevention Research Center.
We're also going to talk about the border.
I played that clip of my interview with Tom Holman this morning.
I played that for you just a few minutes ago.
And we get to talk border security with senior national security fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, Todd Benzman.
So that's coming up in the next hour.
So make sure you're here for that as well.
First of all, I want to follow up on the comment from the last caller about Matt Gaetz.
And then I want to ask you a simple question.
And while I'm giving you this answer, you can go ahead and think about your answer to the question.
Which has been your favorite pick so far?
Right?
We've had Donald Trump having a massive victory on Tuesday.
Wednesday we celebrated, and by Thursday he was already starting to roll out names like Tom Holman.
I think Tom Holman was his very first announcement, wasn't it?
As border czar.
And since that time, we have found out about Marco Rubio, press secretary.
And I'll just give you a little rundown.
Marco Rubio, press secretary.
Stephen Miller, Deputy Chief of Staff.
Stephen Miller, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.
Mike Waltz, National Security Advisor.
Doug Burgum, we found out last night, Secretary of the Interior.
Doug Collins at the VA. Tulsi Gabbard, Director of National Intelligence.
John Ratcliffe at CIA. Yesterday, we also found out officially Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
with what many expected to be Health and Human Services.
Kristi Noem, Department of Homeland Security.
Matt Gaetz, Attorney General.
Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defense.
And yes, Tom Homan, Border Security, Senior Advisor and National and Border Security Specialist.
Of that group, there are so many of them that have the Democrats just howling and screaming.
I mean, John Bolton called the Gates appointment the, what was it, the most dangerous, I think is the word he used, the most dangerous or worst cabinet appointment in the history of the country.
That's saying something.
I saw some knucklehead on CNN talking about how a Republican friend of his, a Republican friend, he had to try to clarify this, a Republican friend of mine said that Matt Gaetz was the worst thing to happen to this country, worse than 9-11, Civil War, and Pearl Harbor.
And, of course, that's what they used to say about January 6th.
Now, apparently, the Matt Gaetz appointment as AG and in charge of the DOJ, that's worse than even January 6th, according to these people.
So they're just absolute nutjobs when it comes to all this stuff.
But the more they hate them, the more I love them.
Because that means we're doing something right.
Okay?
So I want to speak to the Matt Gaetz thing before I go to the phone calls again.
833-333-GORCA, if you want to call.
833-334-6752.
By the way, you can email me too.
I put that together now since the last time I sat in.
I have an email address for my show which is Bob at StrictlySpeaking.org.
Send those to me directly and I'll read good ones on the air.
Bob at StrictlySpeaking.org.
So, my first response to the Matt Gaetz was a little bit different than Dr.
G's.
I was just talking to Eric about that before the show started, and he was talking about Dr.
G finding out live on air that Matt Gaetz was the pick for HE, and he was just giddy.
He was beside himself.
I was like, oh my god.
The reaction to this was going to be priceless.
Because Matt Gaetz has so many enemies in Washington.
Matt Gaetz, some people don't like him because of his arrogance, his smugness, just the kind of persona that he has.
He's just not well liked by a lot of people.
And what's really unique about that for Matt Gaetz is he doesn't give a rat's red butt if you don't like him.
And so as I pondered for just a short while, what do I think of this pick as an AG? I know he's a lawyer by trade, in addition to being a congressman.
Clearly, you know, he's got the credentials from that standpoint, but to run the whole Department of Justice?
Can he really do that?
Is he ready for that?
And the more I thought about it, the more I came up with this answer.
No, he's not fit or prepared to run the Department of Justice.
But that's okay because he's not being hired to run the Department of Justice.
He's being hired to gut the Department of Justice.
To tear it down.
The apparatus that has been put in place weaponizing the government against the American people needs to be torn apart.
We don't need somebody to build.
We need somebody to wreck.
We need a wrecking ball.
Previous caller said he's a bunker buster.
Donald Trump needs a bulldog to go in there and take that sledgehammer to the Department of Justice.
And that's what Matt Gaetz can do.
I was talking to a group.
I gave a speech last night at a Republican club here in Northeast Ohio.
And I told them what I'm going to tell you.
Matt, what President Trump wants here is somebody who isn't going to try to go into his new department and then introduce himself and then say, okay, I'm going to take the reins here now and let's all get up to speed.
Because that won't get it done.
He didn't run on that.
Donald Trump ran on destroying the weaponization of the government by way of the DOJ and Merrick Garland.
He was not ambiguous about it.
He was very direct and very, very clear.
And he said, this is what I want to do.
Will you vote for me?
And 312 electoral votes later, and 70-plus million votes later, and a national popular victory, the American people said, yes, sir.
We want you to do that.
Hiring somebody to go in there and just say, okay, now let's have a look around, was never going to get it done.
Because most people, especially if you are hired into a high-profile position like this, one of the things you want to do is be respected.
You want to be liked.
And so therefore, if you want to be respected and you want to be liked, you're probably not going to go in there and do the dirty work that not a lot of people can do or will do.
So Donald Trump, in order to keep his campaign promise of gutting the Department of Justice as it's currently comprised, It requires him to pick a bulldog who doesn't give a crap if people don't like him.
And that's Matt Gaetz.
He knows there are people who don't like him.
He knows there are people who are going to try to use this ridiculous congressional ethics investigation against him.
He knows they're coming for him with the long knives and doesn't care, which makes him exactly what Donald Trump needs as Attorney General.
And the last thing I'll say about this, and you can tell me if you agree or disagree, at 83333-GORCA. And email Bob at StrictlySpeaking.org.
Regardless of whether or not you feel like he's the right guy for that job, if there's doubt in your mind, let me ask you a question.
Who deserves the benefit of the doubt if not the President of the United States?
The man who won the 312 electoral votes?
The man who made these promises?
The man who got the national popular vote?
The man who has a mandate?
If Donald Trump says, I want Ronald McDonald as my secretary of X, then he gets it.
All the Senate has to do is their job, which is advise and give consent on the qualifications of the individual, not their personal opinion about their attitude, not their personal opinion about their likability, not their personal opinion about their ideology.
It's about, is he qualified?
If he is, then Donald Trump gets his man.
And that's exactly how this one should go.
Matt Gaetz should absolutely be confirmed, and any senator who says otherwise is completely abrogating and ignoring their oath, the oath that they took.
And when they give this advice and consent, they're putting their own feelings ahead of whether or not this person is qualified for the job that the president chose for him.
All right, 83333 Gorka.
We'll go back to it here.
We're going to go to Brent in Los Angeles.
Brent, welcome to America First.
Bob France sitting in for Dr.
G. Fire away.
Magadittos to you, Bob.
Yes, sir.
Right back at you.
Again, you are absolutely right.
It is now time for patriots to put down their champagne, lock and load, and start marching righteously on.
President Trump knows that his blessed victory was just a miraculous turning in America's tide like we had before at the battles of Yorktown, Gettysburg, Midway, and Normandy's D-Day landing.
We still got a long slog through machine gun fire, hedgerows, and a Democrat-Marxist battle of the bulge.
God dramatically showed us Trump is his choice.
So today, President Trump must be every patriot's choice.
And every choice that he makes should be respected by those who are supposed to confirm and affirm his choices.
That is exactly right.
Thank you for the call, Brett.
He was given a mandate.
And when you say, by the way, the miraculous turning of the tide, I heard miraculous turning and I thought you were going to say the miraculous turning of the head.
Because literally, that was the miracle, of all miracles.
And if anything underscores your point about God finding his messenger here or the tool through which he is going to help restore and protect and preserve this republic, the greatest force for good in the history of his human civilization, it was that miraculous turn.
You know, when the president looked ahead and then suddenly turned his head to the side to look at a chart.
And instead of taking a bullet square in the face, it nicked his ear instead.
Yeah, yeah, that was the miraculous turn.
There's no question about that.
If you're on hold, stay there.
I'm coming right back to you.
I had to get that Matt Gaetz monologue out there.
You can tell me what you think about it.
And then also tell me who's your favorite of the rundown so far.
Gaetz, Noam, Kennedy, Ratliff, Hegseth, Gabbard, Collins, Burgum, Waltz, Miller, Rubio, you tell me.
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Hey, I want you to hear something.
I'll come right back to your calls.
I want you to hear, this is how...
I don't know.
Bat bleep crazy, I guess.
We know we've triggered them because of the victory.
But every single appointment after the victory is triggering them even more.
Talking about the radical leftists, the ones who are talking about leaving the country.
And some of them are, by the way.
Ava Longoria was one of the most recent ones.
She literally did a little video and said she's gone.
She left the country.
She can't live in this country.
She's going to split her time between...
Mexico and Spain, where apparently she has family.
And she's lamenting that not everybody else gets a chance to do that, to leave the country.
They don't have the means or whatever.
But they're triggered so badly they're fleeing.
And by the way, outside of Eva Longoria, it's kind of interesting how many of the people who threaten to leave the country if Donald Trump is re-elected always say they're going to Canada.
Why do 99.999% of them go to Canada and not Mexico?
Why do they go north?
And not south.
Why do they go up to the great white north, wink wink, and not to the deep brown south?
Could it be because every single one of them that is telling us we should embrace having massive numbers of millions of illegal immigrants on the other side of the southern border, that they're all racists?
Could be.
Why are they going to the Great White North always and never going to Mexico?
Wonder why that could be.
Because the left is exactly what they accuse the right of being, racist, including what they're accusing Pete Hegseth of right now.
Listen to the insanity of Cut 7.
Yeah, I'm going to add the Secretary of Defense nominee, Peter Hegseth, the Fox News commentator as well, because this is someone who we can host.
Important distinction.
This is someone who, you know, is known to be a white supremacist, known to be an extremist, whose platform, whose book is basically about his opposition to the advancement of black officers to the top brass.
I'm just going to say this out loud as calmly as I can.
Soon to be Secretary Hegseth, Soon to be Pentagon Chief, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, sue her happy ass!
Alright?
That is straight up defamation.
That is defamation of character, that is slanderous, and that should not be tolerated.
That guest away was the A representative, was she chair?
What is she with the NAACP? I had it, let me find her name, because I believe this is a representative of the NAACP, unless I saw this wrong.
But she declared that he was a known white supremacist, as if this was an established fact, an established reality.
And that people, oh, I didn't know that, but now I know he's a known white supremacist.
You know what kind of damage?
That is defamation of character.
And I'm telling you, we need to push back against it.
We need to fight back against that, because this is the kind of thing that ruins careers and reputations and leads to chaos and maybe leads staff members, people who should be following their leader, especially when that leader might be Secretary of Defense have confirmed, you know, leads them to not Pay attention to not fall in line, not respect the hierarchy, not respect the chain of command, and so on and so forth.
Known white supremacists based on what?
Based on what?
Based on absolutely nothing.
Somebody said it was based on a tattoo he has.
He's got a Latin tattoo phrase on his arm that means, what do we say it means?
Go with God?
Or something like that?
It's a phrase about God.
White supremacist.
Why do we let these people get away with this?
This absolutely cannot be allowed to happen anymore.
That was on MSNBC, a nationally televised show that might have six or seven viewers, maybe, at this point in time.
But still, that's six or seven people who actually think now that Pete Hegseth is a known white supremacist.
And by the way, the other thing.
The complete lack of respect for the man's service to this country in the introduction of that clip.
You heard the way there's, you know, the Pete Hegseth, the Fox News host, and then Chris Hayes jumps in, you mean the weekend host?
Yeah, big distinction there too.
As if that's his life's work.
As if his 20 years as a combat veteran.
Are not his actual life's work.
As if his tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, putting his life on the line for the country, are not his life's work and his qualifications for the position that he has been chosen for.
As if his two bronze stars in service to this country are not more important than his weekend Fox& Friends host position.
As if his degrees from Princeton and from Harvard do not speak to his educational and academic acumen.
As if those things are nothing to do with the reason why he's been picked for Secretary of Defense.
It's just he's a weekend co-host on Fox and Trump likes Fox, so therefore.
It's just complete and utter ridiculousness.
And I think until somebody takes an action, there should be consequences here.
Until somebody does something about it, they're going to get away with this stuff.
Calling a man a white supremacist like that is...
There's very few things you can call anybody in this day and age worse than calling them a racist or a white supremacist.
And the left...
On the plus side, they haven't learned a damn thing from their defeat, have they?
On the plus side, they got their butts handed to them a week ago this past Tuesday, and a week and a half later, they're still doing the same thing.
Identity politics, name calling, calling people Nazis and fascists and white supremacists and domestic terrorists and garbage and deplorable and irredeemable and all of the rest.
They haven't learned a single thing.
And I guess for that, we should be somewhat grateful.
We should be grateful that they haven't learned anything because if they haven't learned anything, they don't change anything.
If they don't change anything, then we kick their A again in 2026 midterms and in 2028 and onward we roll.
Phil is in...
No, I'm sorry.
It's Sean in Sacramento.
Is there longer?
My apologies.
Sean online too.
I'm going to bring you up now.
Thank you for your patience.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
Thank you, Mr.
Thank you, Mr.
Franz.
Yeah, so first your question about who I'm excited about.
It's one that you haven't mentioned.
It's not an appointment, but I am most excited about the Doge with Elon and Vivek.
You're right.
I didn't mention that, did I? Yeah, and as long as these other appointments take the spotlight off the doge and they can do their work uninterrupted, the happier I am.
I'm with you on that.
I think that's fantastic.
I think the bureaucracy and the bloat in this government is about to just be decimated.
More than decimated.
Decimated means killing one of every ten.
It's going to be, you know, probably two-thirds of the size of the bureaucracy is going to be gone by the time Elon and Vivek reach six months in.
Go ahead.
Your lips to God's ears.
What I was really calling about, I'm hoping you can verify this.
I read this in the Daily Mail UK this morning, and so worth getting it verified, that at an event last night, maybe it was the event where Sylvester Stallone spoke that you talked about earlier in the show, that J.B. Vance told a story that on Election Day,
in the campaign aircraft, That his four-year-old son ran to the back of the plane to the press cabin and yelled, fake news, and then ran back to his dad.
No, I did not.
I did not hear that.
But I love that story.
That's the greatest thing I've heard in days.
That's the greatest thing I've heard since we now project Donald Trump to be the winner and the 47th President of the United States.
Thank you for the call, Sean.
But that is awesome.
The four-year-old has got dad's spunk and grit, and he told fake news exactly what they are.
We'll be back.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
All right, friends.
Thank you, Dr.
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My son called me from college yesterday.
No, Wednesday.
He called me on Wednesday and said he's taking a speech class.
And he said, our last speech of the semester is a persuasive speech, seven to nine minutes.
And I said, that's cool.
What are you going to do?
And he said, there's a big list of topics he gave us to choose from.
I said, what are you going to do?
And he said, without a second of hesitation, he said, gun control.
Because he is going to spend nine minutes ticking off every liberal sitting in that classroom, every blue hair, every skinny jeans, every man bun, every big ear gauge.
They're going to sit there and listen to him tell them why gun control is dangerous for America and why the Second Amendment shall not be infringed.
God forbid he's too good and the professor knocks him down.
He doesn't care, though.
My son, I didn't know he would ever be as political or as conservative as he is turning out to be.
He's a 21-year-old kid.
Didn't seem to be as into the stuff as much as his sister, who's a Hillsdale grad.
My daughter went to Hillsdale.
But my son, every single day, he gets more and more and more conservative, and he is not afraid to tell anybody about it.
He doesn't care what his woke professor says or what his woke classmates say.
He is going to deliver.
And all I told him is, please make sure somebody is videotaping that.
I need somebody in that class to videotape it so that I can save it and probably put it on my website.
So, yeah, we'll talk to John Lott.
He's probably got a lot to say, too.
He'll have a speech for us about gun control.
833-33-GORCA. The number to call, 833-334-6752.
Now to Phil in Philadelphia.
Philly Phil, you're on the air.
Go right ahead, sir.
Hey, thanks, Bob.
I'm glad you didn't put me on right after Brent.
I mean, kudos to Brent, but it's like going after the best guy in karaoke night.
You know what I mean?
He is something else.
But, Bob, would you or any one of the four million listeners I mean, he gets to choose, like you said, who he wants.
We're turning on the radio in the morning, you, you, it, is lambasting half of his people.
He's driving us crazy.
He's not you, you, it anymore here in Philly.
He's you, blew it.
I mean, he is Tokyo Rose as far as we're concerned.
And one last thing, Bob.
Hud?
Larry Elder.
He's got the receipts for what is the base of the American dream, which is home ownership.
It's going to bring families together in all the communities.
But we'd love to see Larry Elder and his secretary of HUD. Wow, that would be something.
That would be phenomenal.
The only problem is I'm tired of losing Larry Elder.
We got him back now after he has run for president and previous run for governor in California.
I like him exactly where he is doing his show.
Thank you for the call, my friend.
To your point, though, about Hugh, I'm not going to sit here and bash another host.
There would be other hosts who would listen to things that I say and think I'm crazy or I'm off base or I'm all wet, whatever.
The beauty, in my opinion...
The beauty of our party, and more specifically, our conservative movement, more than the Republican Party, but the conservative movement, is we are not in lockstep.
We're not jackbooted, marching right along with everybody else.
No matter what it is that they say to do, we go and do it.
We are allowed to be independent thinkers.
It's the left that says, if you're a certain color, you have to think this way.
If you're a certain gender, you have to think this way.
In the conservative movement, in liberal, excuse me, liberational freedom movements, We think we all have a right to our opinions.
And you don't have to like every pick that somebody makes.
And if Hugh doesn't like some of the picks, okay, he's allowed to have his opinion.
And we still embrace him as, you know, a fellow conservative.
Now, is he as conservative as you want him to be or I want him to be?
That's not irrelevant to me.
The beauty is there's room for all of us in the big tent.
And that's one thing President Trump proved in this last election.
There is room under the big tent for all of us.
Those on the far right, those on the center right, those on the mid-right, whatever it is you want to call it.
We all have the right to express ourselves as we believe and we think is the right thing to do.
We're not going to force people to repeat the same.
Like I said, we don't live in an echo chamber.
We live in a free speech and free thought and welcoming conservative movement.
All right.
John Arlott, 2A, Second Amendment Friday.
We're going to talk to John Arlott of the Crime Prevention Research Center next.
Then we'll get back to more of your phone calls.
We have a lot of work still to do on this Free For All Friday edition of America First.
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He is the founder and the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
He's always got tremendous insight and knowledge for us on all things Second Amendment and crime.
John, how are you good, sir?
A little bit under the weather with the cold, but otherwise doing fine.
And very happy these days, generally, with the new administration coming in.
Well, you know, it's funny you say that because that was the first thing I was going to ask you.
I'm looking at some of your work.
You're an economist.
You're a world-recognized expert on guns and crime.
And during the Trump administration, you served as Senior Advisor for Research and Statistics in the Office of Justice Programs, then the Office of Legal Policy in the U.S. Department of Justice.
So, John Arlott, my first question is an obvious one.
Are you going back to serve with or work in the Trump administration again?
Well, nobody's asked me so far.
I haven't gotten any phone calls or anything.
But if I could help out in some way, I'd be thrilled to do that.
I mean, I just think it's great.
There was so much damage being done.
You know, if you just take kind of what we're going to be talking about with regard to firearms and crime that was being done by the Biden administration, Some things that you're just not going to be able to undo, like the thousands of gun dealers that they've put out of business because of their so-called zero-tolerance policy,
where if you make one typo, even 18, 19 years ago in a form, they'll go back and reopen a case to take away your license to be able to go and sell guns.
Companies are out of business, so you're not going to instantly replace them or get them back in business.
But there are lots of other things that you can do that can fix some of the other damage that they've done.
Yeah, that's understandable.
That's a very, very good point.
John, I want to ask you one other thing since you had worked within the Department of Justice.
You're watching this nationwide fight, this brouhaha that has been started by President Trump, shocking everybody and saying, Matt Gaetz is going to be my Attorney General.
He ran on the promise of Of, you know, fixing and in fact gutting the Department of Justice and the weaponization that it has done against the American people.
And he needs a, you know, a real fighter to go in there and do that.
He said, Matt Gaetz is my fighter.
How do you feel about that nomination?
Well, I've met Matt a few times when I've given talks to congressmen.
He's a very bright guy and he is tenacious.
You know, obviously there have been lots of attacks on him.
You know, I know the FBI had been investigating him for a couple years and decided not to go and charge him with anything.
There were constant leaks from the FBI in order to try to harm him, which is kind of par for the course, unfortunately, these days.
What I can say is that if the Senate does confirm him, he'll definitely be the type of person that will shake things up there.
And look, it's something that really badly needs to be shaken up.
I've used FBI data, for example, for 40 years.
I've gotten to the point where I just don't trust them on lots of things.
I don't Trust them on transparency.
We've just had these issues with them hiding the revised numbers that they put in to show that crime had actually increased when they had previously reported and got a lot of publicity for them supposedly decreasing.
You have problems with everything from their hate crime data to their active shooting reports that we've talked about before on the show.
And, you know, you can't let politics corrupt the data there.
And if you let the left—and I think, unfortunately, there's a lot of true believers in the FBI on that—if you let the left go and determine what data will be, you let them control the debate.
We need to have Data that people can trust there and that we know is accurate if we're going to be accurately able to go and deal with crime and other problems.
Well, they tried to pull that, you know, during the campaigns, right?
I mean, this is one of the things they tried to do is convince you and convince all of us that crime was on the decrease.
You know, the three biggest issues in this campaign, you know, were immigration, inflation and crime, not necessarily in that order.
And so they tried to say, oh, look at the FBI statistics.
Crime is falling.
What are you talking about?
Crime is climbing.
They're trying to convince us and using that faulty data, everybody always hears the initial report.
Nobody hears the correction later that says, oh, by the way, sorry, our bad, our It's much higher.
Right.
Well, I mean, the media didn't even run any corrections on a lot of it.
A lot of the mainstream legacy media didn't.
Look, when their crime data for 2022 came out in October 2023, it showed initially a 2.1% drop in violent crime during 2022.
And so for the Next year, up until recently, they've been using that report to go and claim that crime is falling.
And so you'll see headline after headline that says crime has fallen, but people erroneously think or mistakenly think that it's increasing.
And then when they put out new data for 2023 in September of this year, There's no mention in their press release that they had redone the data for earlier years.
If you go and read through the actual report itself, there's a footnote on page 11, a one-sentence footnote that says we've updated the data for 2022.
No mention that it went from a drop to an increase that was there.
And, you know, it was only by kind of looking at The current data file and comparing it to the data file that they had released last year that I kind of accidentally saw that they had gone from a 2.1% decrease to a 4.5% increase.
They're counting on people not accidentally seeing those things.
You know, you accidentally saw it, you reported it, you write about it, and that's fantastic, but obviously not everybody does notice that, and they try to pull the wool over our eyes, and it's pure propaganda at this point.
John R. Lott, Jr., President of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
John, thank you for everything you do, my friend.
Bob Franson for Dr.
G on America First.
We'll be back.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Okay, six minutes before the top of the hour.
Short segment here for the last segment of the hour.
And so not really a lot of time to get into two in-depth phone calls.
So what do you say we talk about something a little bit lighter, a little bit sillier, just for the last few minutes of the hour.
And if you're on hold, don't leave.
Stay there.
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But since we have a short period of time here, there's an event coming up.
It's a sporting event of sorts.
It's more of an exhibition.
In fact, I think it's being called that.
But for the first time in 19 years, Iron Mike Tyson is going to come back and have some semblance of a fight.
And he's fighting YouTube star turned conservative MAGA stalwart, also turned professional boxer.
Jake Paul.
It's going to be live on Netflix tonight.
Eric and Jeff, you guys both said, well, Eric, I know you said, you are committed to watching this.
Jeff, I didn't get that out of you.
Are you watching this thing tonight?
I'm actually surprised how much I'm actually looking forward to it, to watching it.
Why?
Tell me what's the attraction.
It just reminds me of the late 90s when boxing was big, and Mike Tice obviously doesn't know what he is, but you know the personality.
You don't know any of these boxers the last 10 or 15 years.
That's why I'm kind of curious to watch it.
Well, that's because boxing kind of died when UFC took over.
Completely died.
To a degree, anyway.
So, Eric, you're into it?
Yeah, I've chosen my side.
I personally hope that Jake Paul wins, but I think Mike Tyson is going to win.
You think Mike Tyson?
What about you, Jeff?
Do you have a favorite in it?
I'd like to see Mike Tyson knock him out.
I think he's going to have to knock him out early to win, though.
Just because of the age.
So you'd like to see it and you're predicting it?
Yeah, just because it reminded me of the old days.
Why do you want to see him win?
Why do you want to see him knock out a guy who, like I said, who came out and endorsed President Trump?
He's got millions of followers online, kind of like Rogan and Theo Vaughn and some of the other guys do, too.
Why would you go against that guy?
Because it's like the old days of sports.
The 90s, the early 2000s again, when he was knocking people out all the time.
See, but here's the thing, because people ask me this too, and I'm going to watch it.
I've got a date night with the wife.
We're going to be out for a while, then we're going to come home.
We're going to watch it.
And here's the thing.
The last time he fought, guys, he was 19 years younger than he is now, and he got knocked the hell out by a tomato can named Kevin McBride.
How on earth do you think at 19 years later he's going to suddenly be able to recapture what he once had against a young, up-and-coming guy who is not just a stunt guy anymore.
He's learned to box, Jake Paul.
I think Mike Tyson's in trouble.
A decent fight was Lennox Lewis, and he crushed him.
I think that was like 0-2, so that's 22 years ago.
No, I still think that he could get one shot in.
It's got to be round one or two.
That's it, though.
Because I don't think Paul's a real boxer.
He's 58.
He's 58, and Jake Paul's 27.
Jake Paul has become a real boxer, though.
I mean, I've seen a little bit of what he's doing.
He's not just playing around here fighting Nate Robinson, basketball players, and other things anymore.
Eric, what's your prediction?
I know what you said you want.
What's your prediction, though?
My prediction is that Tyson will ultimately win.
I don't think it will be the first two rounds, but I think he will eventually win.
Jake Paul will bang him around for a few rounds and get a decision.
We'll talk more on the other side.
Bob Franson for Dr.
G. Thank
you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
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We were just talking off the air, by the way, and welcome to a free-for-all Friday because I plan on spending this next hour talking about anything you want to talk about.
You can even weigh in on that Tyson Jake Paul exhibition thing tonight if you would like.
Whatever you want to do, it is a free-for-all Friday, 833-33-GORCA. We'll take your calls the rest of the show.
I do have a guest, by the way, Todd Benzman, coming up at 520.
We're going to talk about immigration issues.
He's with CIS, but anything we do is up to you from this point forward.
Now, we were just talking off the air, the guys, Eric and Jeff and I, a little bit about Dennis Prager.
And if you're looking for a new update, I am sorry to say that I don't have one, other than to say what everybody has been saying, and that is please say prayers and pray hard.
I cannot give you anything that I don't have, and I don't have any more than he is in a hospital right now in Los Angeles, and he is being treated by the best people that there are, and we're just praying for his recovery is all I can say.
And I'm just asking you to pray very, very hard and to pray frequently.
It is a necessary thing for you to do right now.
The Prager family and everyone else will appreciate every prayer that you can lift to Dennis for his recovery.
But we were just talking about this and somebody brought it up in the Rumble Chat.
I don't follow the Rumble Chat when I sit in for Dr.
G. And I should, but I don't because I've just got my eyes in a thousand different places.
And Eric just told me that somebody mentioned Dennis Prager in this interview on Strictly Speaking.
Well, that was mine.
My last conversation with Dennis was Monday.
I interviewed him at 2.30 in the afternoon, right after his show ended, Eastern Time, on Monday.
And we didn't air it again until Wednesday, or not again, but we didn't air it until Wednesday morning.
And shortly after that show, after we aired it, then the news started to come out that Dennis Prager had suffered an injury from a fall, a very bad one.
And people were saying, oh my gosh, I just heard him.
He was on a radio show.
And did it happen right after your show, Bob?
People were asking me that.
The reality is people didn't know it at the time, but when I played that interview, it was a pre-recorded interview.
It happened on Tuesday in between the time I talked to him and the time it aired.
So it happened on Tuesday.
We just didn't find out about it until Wednesday.
So right now the Salem world is reeling.
Dennis Prager and PragerU and everybody at his show, people with whom I am very, very closely acquainted because I sit in on Dennis' show just like I've been asked to do for Dr.
G here.
They're all in states of shock and sadness.
And pray for their comfort from God as well as Dennis' recovery.
Because everybody that associates with Dennis knows and loves him so much.
Please give them the benefit of your prayers as well.
So there's that.
And by the way, the last interview I did for him is, I think, the second story right now on the aforementioned website.
StrictlySpeaking.org is my website.
And my interview with Tom Homan is up there first.
My interview with Dennis Prager, I think, is the second one listed right now.
And you can listen to that.
It's a long one.
Wait until the show's over.
Don't do it now.
I want you here on America First.
But when you get a chance to, listen to that interview.
It's about a 37, 38-minute interview with Dennis Prager talking about his Rational Bible series and his book on numbers.
Man and God in the Wilderness.
It's an extraordinary read, and he is such an extraordinary man, so I think you will really appreciate the conversation that we have there.
Okay, having said that, let's get right back to it as promised.
It is a free-for-all Friday.
What do you want to talk about?
Let's see where we're going here.
Who's first?
Anybody have any idea who I should talk to first here?
How about we go down to Atlanta?
I'm going to go to line four.
This is as random as it gets.
I don't know who's been here longer.
But Vincent in Atlanta, you are on America First.
Bob Franson for Dr.
G. Fire away.
Hey, Bob.
And yes, we're praying for Dennis.
I would probably say, you know, as important as the other issues are, We have got to nail down these elections.
Yes, we won, but what bothers me in Arizona with Carrie Lake and Nevada, this senator was winning, then some mail drop happened and he's losing.
There's still a way to go.
In midterms, people don't pay attention, but it's 2024.
We could put a man on the moon, a rover on Mars, but we cannot figure out how to have an election that can be verified.
I mean, the same ballot we used to vote for Trump, we used to vote for Lake And everybody else.
But them taking so long just lets us know that the issues stood there.
So how can we force these states to go to hand kind of paper ballots or pressure them, maybe cut off money?
I'm not quite sure, but we need to get a handle.
Yeah, we do.
And I wish I had the answer to how we can fix this without federalizing elections.
And of course, you know, remember what we are.
And thank you, my friend, for the call from Atlanta, Vincent.
I appreciate that.
And it's always the same suspects, right?
The same usual suspects, the same states that have the same problems every year.
We voted.
It was 10 days ago.
And there are still, what, eight or nine House seats that still haven't been called because they're still counting?
How the hell are we still counting eight or nine days?
We should be done eight or nine hours after the polls close, much less eight or nine days or ten days.
But we don't want to federalize elections.
Remember what we are.
We are a collection of individual states.
That's why we're called the United States of America.
We're not just called America.
We're the individual states of the union, and we are united under one federal umbrella, yes, but each state has its own rights.
This is why President Trump was so adamant and why the Supreme Court was so adamant about returning the issue of abortion to the states.
And elections are run by the states as well.
I don't know the answer, but the answer isn't federalism.
The answer is not to federalize the elections, but the answer is we need to have a very, very impassioned group of investigators descend on Arizona to see how they can do this again and again and again.
Particularly in certain counties, Gwinnett County, I believe it's Gwinnett.
Is it Gwinnett?
No, that's Georgia.
I'm mixing them up now.
I know Maricopa is one, but I'm trying to remember the other county in Arizona that had the most problems this time around.
It's escaping me right now.
But at any rate, the same counties have the same problems.
And yes, it opens.
Look, even though it is almost impossible for us to reconcile on our mind that Donald Trump could win Arizona and go out there and have so many people vote for Trump, but then turn around or, you know, a little bit further down on the ballot vote.
vote for Gallego.
What are you kidding me?
And not for Carrie Lake, kind of an America first Senate candidate.
It's just not conceivable, not to mention, as you point out, you know, how a bunch of ballots are found at the last second and they all seem to be for the other guy.
I don't even know if there was any cheating.
It looks like cheating.
It sounds like cheating.
It gives the appearance of fraud.
But even if it isn't, the appearance is enough to wreck the republic.
If the people don't have faith in the electoral outcomes, Then they don't have faith in their country.
And if you don't have faith in the country, then the whole thing falls apart.
That's why it was so crucial for Dinesh to do what he did with 2,000 mules.
It was so crucial for everything that happened in 2020 and in 2022 to be exposed.
And yet here we are in 2024 and still fighting it.
The appearance of impropriety is sometimes just as bad as the impropriety itself.
So, great call, Vincent.
Thank you, sir.
Let's go to Idaho.
John, you're on America First with Dr.
G. Bob France sitting in.
Fire away.
John in Idaho on Line 5?
Are we outdated here?
John, are you there?
I'm still here.
Okay, sorry, John.
Go ahead.
Hi, welcome.
Thank you for answering my call.
I'm very surprised I get to follow Vincent because what I'm conveying is Very subsequent show to, you know, everything that we are fighting, from my perspective.
And I have a great point where if we, you know, the Republicans, the good guys, you know, all that, put together, like, you equate the crime with the Constitution and put it out in front of the American people, To know the consequences that are, you know, in place.
You're going to have a ripple effect right now, instantaneously, throughout our government, throughout these election pads, people are going to go, whoa, like, you know, if there's serious consequences.
But you have to go back to the Constitution to fortify this.
We look up treason.
It's not rotting in jail, okay?
We have the firing squad, the, you know, Green Mile thing, electrocution, and then we have...
So, you know, hanging.
I mean, that's...
Well, treason is a death penalty case, but treason isn't really charged.
Thank you for the call.
I appreciate that from Idaho.
But as you well know, treason is not something that is generally charged anymore, much less tried and convicted.
But you're right.
I think sometimes that's exactly what has to happen.
If the country is in peril and if somebody is giving aid or comfort to the enemies of the country, which is what some of this looks like, then yeah, I think those charges are warranted.
But I don't think there's much of an appetite for it, quite frankly.
Thank you for that great call from the great state of Idaho.
We'll take a timeout here.
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All right, Dr.
G, 20 minutes past the hour.
Thank you for letting me be a part of this phenomenal production known as America First.
I want to welcome to the program now Todd Benzman, Senior National Security Fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and author of Overrun How Joe Biden unleashed the greatest border crisis in U.S. history.
And that is exactly what it is.
And now, thank God, we can start to clean up the mess that was left behind by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Todd, thank you for the time.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing great.
Thank you.
So it's so good to have you.
Let's talk about Overrun first.
I mean, we talk about the greatest crisis in American history with respect to the border.
It was exactly that.
I mean, would we have survived, would the republic have survived, as we know it now, if we had four more years of the same policy we have seen for the last three and a half?
Not as we know it now.
This alone, 12 million people at least in the country in such a short period of time It's transformational all by itself.
Another 10, 20 million over another four years would have just been unimaginable, really.
I don't even want to fathom what could happen.
And we're not done yet trying to ascertain what happened with this one.
How damaging was it?
How expensive was it?
What's it going to take to clean up?
I'm convinced.
Everybody says that the top issues in this election were immigration, inflation, and crime.
Not necessarily in that order.
I completely agree and I think they answered the question that you just talked about.
They saw the same thing that you did.
We could not possibly You have another four years like this.
10 to 15 million illegals have crossed just in the last four years.
When you count the gotaways, how many of them are known terrorists?
How many of them are convicted criminals in their own countries of rape, of murder, of sexual assaults, and so forth?
Doing the same thing again for four more years would have ended our culture as we know it.
Let's talk about what the Trump Effect is going to be now that he is President 47 after being President 45.
You wrote a piece in the Daily Wire, the Trump Effect 2.0.
Tell us about it.
Well, the Trump Effect 1.0 happened in 2017 right after he entered office, actually before he entered office.
And it's really that his rhetoric during the campaign, just the rhetoric alone with no action was enough to scare off All the immigrants from the border and the numbers just absolutely plummeted.
And once he got in, of course, they stayed down for a while.
But you have to follow the rhetoric with action.
And the liberal immigration attorney community gummed up all of his policies for so long that he was unable to actually carry through for a long time.
And so they started to come again.
I think that we are at Trump Effect 2.0 right now.
I was talking to some sources that are very well in the know that they're telling me that illegal crossings in the last few days has been under 2,000, about 1,800 a day, which is really a good number by comparison.
I'm saying that once upon a time, not long ago, that was a crisis all by itself, but it's not the 14,000 a day.
But it's an indicator that not only Donald Trump's rhetoric during this campaign has scared everybody away, but then Homan, Tom Homan, comes in just in the last few days and is like, you know, we're rounding you up.
Don't get comfortable.
You're all going home one way or another, that sort of thing.
And boy, that really resonates.
And I think the numbers are going to plummet.
I am looking forward to writing a column soon declaring the greatest mass migration crisis in U.S. history.
Over.
I'm not there yet, because I don't know what's going to happen, whether they're going to really be able to follow through.
There's a whole army of immigration lawyers, battalions of them, ready to gum everything up that they can with litigation.
Watch.
You wait and see.
Well, there's no doubt there are there.
And, you know, there's a lot of other people, you know, trying to get in the way and obstruct.
I was talking to Tom Holman this morning, as a matter of fact, and we talked about the fact that Jared Polis in Colorado and J.B. Pritzker in Illinois, those two left-wing governors of sanctuary cities and states, Essentially are forming something of a coalition.
They're looking for other left-wing governors to join them in Trump-proofing their states.
Pritzker even said out loud, I will do everything I can to protect our undocumented immigrants, their residents here.
Never mind the fact that they shouldn't be residents there.
They broke the law to become residents there, but they're talking about protecting them instead of protecting the American people from them.
So you're right.
The road in front of Tom Homan and of the new ICE and of the new Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, the road in front of them is going to be a rough one, no doubt.
Yeah, it's going to be a war for the deportation program and it's going to be a war internally.
I mean, how any US politician at any level can defend against turning over criminal aliens to the authorities for deportation is beyond me.
I will never understand that till the day I die, how they can get away with that and that they'd be politically rewarded for it somehow.
I can't imagine that they're going to be Gain some sort of advantage by protecting criminals.
What?
How is that possible?
I don't understand it either, but I'm so glad that President Trump's very first appointment, and I'm sure you'll appreciate this, his very first appointment wasn't Secretary of State, it wasn't Secretary of Defense, it was Tom Homan as a senior White House advisor known as the border czar who's going to coordinate southern, northern, maritime and aviation security of the homeland.
That was the most important thing.
And you'll appreciate this too, Todd.
When I talked to the new czar this morning, I brought up The situation in Tennessee with Tren de Aragua having this massive presence in the biggest cities in Tennessee.
And I said, what are you going to do?
How are you going to handle this gang, this transnational violent gang?
And his response was, my gang is bigger than their gang.
We're coming for you and you're not going to last very long.
I got to tell you, man, I got chills from that.
Yeah, and believe him.
Believe him, too.
We do have the bigger gang and we will take those guys out one by one by one.
Listen, there are lots of examples through U.S. history where we've had groups like that crop up, whether it's the Italian mob or the Irish mob or Crips and Bloods or whatever.
When we decide to go after and dismantle, we dismantle them.
We know how to do it.
You know, the best part about this, too, you know, you talk about the plummeting numbers of border crossers right now.
What's not plummeting right now, Todd Benzman, is the number of Border Patrol agents, the number of ICE agents, those who were planning on retiring or fleeing.
They announced it, that if Kamala Harris is the president, they're gone because they cannot continue under these conditions.
Now, according to all reports, their enthusiasm and morale is through the roof.
They're ready to fight.
Well, remember, you know, these are war fighters who are trained to fight a certain kind of war.
And then all of a sudden they are, you know, during the biggest war of them all, they're relegated to cafeteria duty and babysitting duty.
That's not what they signed up for.
They are about to be returned to the real front lines to use their training and brains and brawn To protect the country.
And of course they're excited about that.
I mean, what happened before is like taking a Navy SEAL team and the war finally comes and you stick them in the rear echelon and make them sit back there and do...
Makes no sense.
Yeah, it makes no sense at all.
And I'm so excited about this too.
And I know you are.
Todd Benzman, Senior National Security Fellow at CIS. Todd, thank you so much.
Keep up the great work.
Let the people know.
Bob Franson for Dr.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
33 minutes past the hour leaves us 27 minutes before the next hour.
That's what I call it.
So 27 minutes of free-for-all phone calls.
I'm sorry, I was about to give you my local number in Cleveland, Ohio.
That doesn't work.
833-33-GORCA. 833-334-6752.
What does work, whether I'm doing my show in Cleveland, Ohio, or this one, is my email address.
Bob at strictlyspeaking.org.
Bob at strictlyspeaking.org.
I was just looking at some of the emails in the break.
A lot of new friends and family members.
I'm sending me messages here from Dr.
Gorka's fantastic audience.
I'll try to read some of those coming up here as quickly as I can.
But I do want to get some phone calls in.
And I've got a guy on the line now who is somebody with whom I am very familiar.
He is a weekend show host on our station in Cleveland, which is WHK AM 1420 The Answer, and a regular fill-in on my show.
So I don't know what we call that, but the fill-in on my show is talking to fill-in on Dr.
Gorka's show right now.
His name is Khalid Namar, and he is a big-time boxing fan who was moved not by President Trump's victory to call, not by the nomination of Matt Gaetz.
He heard the name of Mike Tyson and said, okay, now I want to talk.
Khalid, what's going on, brother?
How are you?
Brother, you own the radio more than Elvis and the Beatles, man.
Everywhere I look today, I've heard your voice.
Yeah, I spend a little bit of time, and we all got to do what we can do, right, brother?
I'm a grinder.
I'm a grinder like so many guys.
Excellent.
Excellent.
And Dr.
Gorka was my first big interview.
I interviewed him at CPAC back in 17, so this is full circle for me, so this is great.
Awesome.
So, you know, I've got 40 years in and around the sport of boxing.
I mean, I was an amateur back in the 80s in corners.
I worked corners in professional fights.
I've been in pro camps.
I've coached.
So I've been all around this and on the business side.
So my gut tells me that this vibe is scripted.
But if it's not scripted, Tyson physically...
When you say scripted, by the way, hold on.
Now, we know there are a lot of things about it that are scripted.
They're not using regulation-sized gloves, if I understand.
They're only going to be two-minute rounds instead of three-minute rounds.
A nod to Tyson's age, I guess.
So is that what you mean?
Or do you mean they already know the outcome?
Well, I think they know the outcome and also they want to limit.
Listen, the damage that he could do even at his age to a guy like Jake Paul is tremendous, which is why they have the big gloves.
That's a signal there.
Two, the two-minute rounds, Tyson looked tremendous physically fighting Roy Jones in two-minute rounds a few years ago.
I was amazed at how good he looked physically.
Going eight rounds after being out of the ring 20 years at your old weight was nothing short of impressive to me because it got me off the couch to get myself back in shape.
Because I said, if this guy can do it, I can get in shape.
So physically, he looks great.
And in a short fight, he'll blow out most third-tier heavyweights.
So my gut, and you watch the fight, Tyson won't make contact with him, but he'll hit him in the body.
He'll hit him in the shoulders and arms.
He won't be trying to take his head off.
And watch where his punches land.
Everybody after listening...
Pay very close attention to where his punch is going to be landing.
A lot of body shots, shoulders, arms.
Physically, he's going to rough him up, but he's not going to try to take his head off.
So I suspect there'll be an injury, or there'll be some kind of disqualification, and the result will be inconclusive.
Oh, so it's going to be a no contest.
No winner, no loser.
Correct.
Just like Roy Young and him.
That's crap, though.
I don't like that, Khalid.
I don't like that at all.
I mean, are there Vegas odds on this?
Is there money on this?
I don't know.
I haven't seen it.
Because if the gamblers are putting money on an outcome here, then it can't be scripted or else, I mean, that's just fraud.
I mean, it's an exhibition.
I guess you can bet on anything, but since it's an exhibition, I don't know if they have a regular old money line on this or not, but boy, that would be something if there's people putting millions of dollars on this thing, one way or the other, and then they don't even have an outcome.
Yeah.
I'm telling you, people don't know their levels to this.
Do you remember years ago when Jordan, who was like over age 50, went into the gym and started smoking guys?
Yes.
You know, even a guy like Tyson, who physically, again, is in pretty good shape, 58, based on where he was and based on Jake Paul, where he never really was, he wouldn't want to, even on a short fight, like I said, Tyson, if you put him in with third, fourth tier heavyweight in a three-round, two-minute round fight, he would probably blow the guy out.
But he's not going to go six, seven, eight rounds with anybody on the second or third or top level.
So I'm thinking it'll be some kind of disqualification or some kind of injury or something that'll be inconclusive.
But he's not going to hurt Jake Paul.
Jake Paul cannot hurt him.
But age can only, and maybe some injury, Tyson will pull muscle or something.
But watch where his punches are going to be landing.
There's going to be a lot of body shots to make it look good, but he's not going to be throwing one of his trademark hooks to slam off the top of Jake Paul's head.
Jake Paul couldn't take it.
Jake Paul's going to TKO him.
You think so?
All I know is, I said to Eric and Jeff before, the last time Tyson fought, he was 19 years younger than he is now.
And he fought a tomato can named Kevin McRide and got TKO'd.
He's 19 years older now, and Jake Paul is 27 and has learned to box.
He's not just a stunt guy anymore doing this Nate Robinson and UFC guy stuff.
He's actually committed to being a boxer, and I think he's young and he's strong, and I think he can hit a shot against Tyson that he has not taken in 19 years.
And I don't know if he's going to be able to handle that, my friend.
Well, we'll see, but I think Tyson physically, he was drugged out back then, burned out.
Let's put a dinner on it, brother.
I've got to run here.
You know the clock.
Let's put a dinner on it, my friend.
I'll talk to you in a bit.
bit.
We'll be back.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
So I wasn't sure if Khalid heard me at the end there, that dinner bet.
But I'm throwing that out there.
I don't know if there's big money on the line in Vegas or not.
But I'm putting dinner on the line.
I've got Jake Paul.
He's got Tyson.
And you know what?
The battle is on in this conversation off the air.
Off the radio sometimes is the best radio.
The stuff that happens in breaks.
And we're just debating this whole thing.
I'll be honest with you.
Like everybody else who's a fight fan back in the 90s, in the late 80s, I was a huge Tyson fan.
It was like, my gosh, this guy was a monster.
Kid dynamite and the whole nine yards.
But I came to realize after the fact that he was, without question, the most overhyped and overrated boxer probably in the history of heavyweight boxing.
Now, overrated doesn't mean the worst.
It means overrated.
He was viewed as the best ever or he would have rocked Muhammad Ali, that kind of thing.
No, no.
Muhammad Ali would have done what Buster Douglas and Lennox Lewis did with his superior size and strength and boxing skills and would have just taken him to pieces.
Once Tyson got exposed by Buster Douglas, the code was broken.
Evander figured it out twice.
Lennox Lewis did.
Mike Tyson was never what Mike Tyson was purported to be.
Never.
And I'm still trying to figure out what was his biggest win over an aging Larry Holmes?
Hope not.
Over Michael Spinks, who was never a real heavyweight.
He was a pumped-up light heavyweight.
Who was his biggest victory against?
In all seriousness, he beat the likes of Tyrell Biggs.
He beat the likes of...
I'm trying to remember.
Did he beat Pinklin?
I'm trying to remember the fighters.
There were never any real...
You know what Tyson was is a poor man's Joe Frazier.
Remember the fighting style of Joe Frazier?
Who was smaller like Tyson, but could get up and underneath and do uppercut and body damage like nobody had ever seen before.
But Frazier was way, way better at it.
Mike Tyson was never what people thought he was.
And now that he has 19 years since he has fought a real fight...
I'm sorry.
My money's on Jake Paul, or at least my dinner is.
It's on Jake Paul.
Go get him, Jake.
That's what I think is going to happen here.
If you've got a thought on it, that's what free-for-all is.
Let's get a few more calls in.
We're going to go to Indiana.
Levi, you are on America First with Dr.
G. Welcome to the show.
Go right ahead.
Levi on line one.
Are you there, Levi?
Can you hear me?
No, he is.
Yep, you came back to the phone just in time.
Go ahead, sir.
Hey, how are you doing tonight?
Glad to hear from you.
Good to have you.
What's on your mind?
I just think that looking at these picks that Trump's got for his cabinet, I'm pretty excited.
In particular, I think that Matt Gaetz is a phenomenal pick.
It's going to be interesting to see what we get out of the Justice Department with Matt Gaetz behind the wheel there.
I think he's got a pretty great track record.
What do you think?
What are your thoughts on Matt Gaetz?
Well I don't know about his track record.
I mean you know he's especially as an attorney because all I know him is about what he has been in Congress and in Congress I'll tell you what he is he's one of the best cross examiners of witnesses giving testimony in congressional hearings that I've ever seen so if that is a nod to his you know legal acumen then I would say that's great but I don't know what his track record is as in terms of being an attorney and more specifically you're not going to be in court As the Attorney General, you're going to be running the Department of Justice.
I don't know if he's got the chops to run the Department of Justice, but here's what I do have.
I have a belief that Donald Trump knows what he's doing.
I have a belief that Donald Trump knows what his ability is.
First of all, his ability to be the wrecking ball that has to come in and tear apart the weaponized Department of Justice.
That's what Matt Gaetz, I think, would be an expert at.
But then can he run a new Department of Justice that's rebuilt in the model of law and order?
That is something I just don't know.
Here's the big question.
You can tell me, Levi, do you think he'll get confirmed, considering as many as 30 different Republicans out of the 53 that are in the majority have suggested they will not vote to confirm him?
Well, that's an interesting question and I wanted to get your opinion on this too.
Just, you know, looking at the nominations that we're seeing right now, part of me is thinking that maybe Trump isn't exactly planning on a confirmation hearing.
Some of these people he's putting forward, RFK Jr., I'm a fan of.
I do like RFK Jr.
I like his takes on vaccines.
I like his takes on the chemicals that they're putting in our food.
I think they are harming our population, and I think it is intentional.
I think there's an agenda behind it.
I think they do want to harm our people.
But, you know, looking at some of these picks, I am thinking that we're going to see some, you know, the mood start to change toward more recess appointments.
I'm not entirely sure that he's planning on a Seneca.
Because at the end of the day, Trump has put his money where his mouth is in all respects.
He's taken a bullet for us.
And I think that he deserves to have the cabinet picks that he wants.
Yes, he does.
I don't think that we should allow the Republican establishment, who's largely still paid off just like the Democrat establishment is, I don't think that we should be relying on them to choose who Trump is going to have at his side.
I think that should be Trump's decision.
And I think that if he has to go through with it and use the Constitution, which you could argue It's going to be pretty hard for him to make the argument that he can adjourn Congress, but if he really needs to, I think it can be done.
If the House and the Senate can't determine how long to adjourn, then he can adjourn Congress according to the Constitution, as far as my knowledge is concerned.
Well, I'll tell you what.
I agree with what you just said.
I've got to let you go here, Levi.
Thanks for the call from Indiana.
I agree with you.
He deserves to get his picks.
He ran a very transparent campaign.
He said, I'm going to do this, this, this, this, and this.
And the American people said, yes, we want that by an overwhelming margin.
So now he gets to do that.
He wasn't hiding anything.
He was transparent about his plans, and that means putting people like Gates in a position to do the work that he needs to get done, and we have to give him what he wanted.
He won the race fair and square.
Give him his choices.
Let's go to Pennsylvania.
Beverly, you're on America First with Dr.
G. It's Bob sitting in.
Go ahead, Beverly.
Yes, I do believe the border should be first, but I am excited about Robert Kennedy because I'm on the holistic side, and I think he needs to get pharma out because they're too much in control.
And I don't think that we should be watching that on TV for commercials.
I think the people need to get healthy.
They need to take it upon themselves to try to get healthy.
And I think he can get that message out.
I think Big Pharma, and it's a great call, and I agree 100%.
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
should be confirmed for HHS. He is in no way, shape, or form a threat to anything of the Republican establishment.
A lot of people are worried, and thanks for the call, Beverly.
A lot of people are worried that...
You know, because he's a Democrat, he's not going to be all MAGA. He just came in at the last minute.
Yeah, he did.
But what he is being hired for and appointed for by Donald Trump is not going to harm the conservative agenda.
It's going to help fight big pharma, which is absolutely in the conservative agenda.
He's going to fight the medical industrial complex, which should absolutely be in the wheelhouse of the conservative agenda.
So he should be confirmed with no problem.
And if they recess appoint him, if that's what has to happen, then get it done.
The government will be better with him in it in this role than it would Quick time out.
One more segment to go.
Let's get your call in.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yeah, let's do exactly that.
Got time for a few more phone calls to wrap up a free-for-all Friday edition of America First.
And I'm going to ask you again, when you go into your weekend, if you get a chance and you're thinking about it, the interview I did with Tom Holman this morning, I know you just heard him yesterday with Seb, but the interview I did with Tom Holman this morning I thought was a very, very great and important one.
You should check it out, as well as the interview I did with Dennis Prager.
And while you're saying your prayers for Dennis this weekend, listen to the last interview I did with him from Monday.
That aired on my program in Cleveland, Ohio on Wednesday.
The way to do that is strictlyspeaking.org.
That's my site, strictlyspeaking.org.
And while you're there, look at all my socials.
Give me a follow on Rumble, on YouTube, on Spotify, Truth Social, Facebook, Instagram, as well as Twitter slash X. I would love to have a follow from all of you on these things and stay in touch with me, even when I'm not hosting for the great Dr.
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A.J. in L.A. is going to be maybe our last caller here.
A.J., go right ahead.
Hi.
How are you doing, Bob?
Great.
First of all, I want to say, you know, we do have some calm here in Los Angeles again.
With us voting out Gascon, that is such a huge thing for our safety, for our families here.
Hopefully we can do something as far as the Homelessness Commission.
But one point I want to make, if Matt Gaetz does not get confirmed by the Senate, I think the great one, Mark Levin, should be our AG. He is a historical constitutionalist.
He worked in the Department of Justice during the Reagan era.
And he has been a strong supporter of President Trump in the past.
I know he has a lot going on with his radio show and his TV shows, but I follow him all the time.
He's very logical.
He shows evidence.
He shows proof with examples from the Constitution.
I think he would be an exceptional AG if Matt Gaetz doesn't get confirmed.
What do you think about...
Mark Levin.
I think it's highly unlikely, but I don't disagree with your thinking.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, Mark Levin would be phenomenal in a role like that, and it would make the left go even crazier than maybe Matt Gaetz does.
They'd say it's Donald Trump just raiding the entire Fox lineup for his cabinet because Mark Levin does his show on Fox, too, and is a regular guest there.
But I love your thinking.
I do.
And here's the thing that I really expect to happen.
And thanks for the call, AJ, from L.A. I hope you have a great weekend.
Here's the thing I expect, what the previous caller talked about.
There are recess appointments that are going to have to come here.
I am very, very hopeful that AG is not one of them.
Because if the Attorney General in charge of the Department of Justice never gets confirmed by the Senate, anything that he does is going to look like dictatorial.
Like Donald Trump did what we said he was going to do.
He was a dictator.
He even has somebody that wasn't confirmed by the Senate making all of these decisions by the DOJ to go after political enemies and on down the line.
I want the AG to be confirmed.
That's the way I'll leave it for you for now.
Thank you so much once again for letting me be here.
Thanks to the team, Jeff and Eric and Guy and Alex, and thanks to you for listening.
Be well, be safe, stay free.
Say a prayer for Dennis Prager, please, and I'll see you next time on America First.
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