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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Was there an apology today?
	I'm sorry?
	Was there an apology from President Biden for some of the words used?
	An apology from President Biden.
	To President-elect Trump, for some of the words that were used on the campaign trail.
	And I've answered this a couple of times about a threat to democracy in the past week.
	The president is going to always feel obligated to be honest with the American people.
	What he says still stands.
	Oh, really?
	Does it?
	I think we have that photograph yesterday from the Oval.
	Was it just yesterday?
	Jeff, when was President Trump in the Oval Office?
	When did he return?
	What day was that?
	Yesterday, unless you ask anyone else other than Joe.
	No, but I'm not joking.
	Was it really yesterday?
	It was.
	When was Matt Gaetz announced?
	Yesterday.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I swear, I was going full Biden this morning because I thought it's got to be a couple of days since they announced Matt, right?
	A couple of days.
	No, it was yesterday.
	That's incredible.
	I'm a little bit confused.
	Did we have that photograph, Eric, from the Oval Office, which allegedly was there?
	Jeff, is that photoshopped?
	Because Joe looks a little bit happy there.
	Looks like he's found a little baggie of something in the West Wing.
	Looks a little happy there.
	Honestly, when is the last time you saw him smile like that?
	I've never seen him smile like that.
	I can't remember.
	That's been a long time.
	But Corrine Jean-Pierre just said that what he said about him being a fascist and a dictator still stands.
	Yeah, because she's looking for her next job.
	Oh, please.
	Oh my gosh.
	Are you telling me we're going to see more of her?
	Oh, I'm rooting for it.
	Why?
	See, these people are fun.
	Kamala, this person is fun.
	It is a perfect person to make fun of and show how dumb the Democrats have become.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	And President Trump broke politics yesterday.
	That is the only conclusion I can have.
	It went a little bit viral, my live reaction to the news of Matt Gaetz.
	But it didn't start with Matt Gaetz.
	It started with our good friend Pete Hegseth.
	Jeff, Jay Johnson, is he like one of these MAGA guys who goes on Wallroom a lot with Steve Bannon?
	Nope, not at all.
	Who was Jay Johnson?
	He was Obama's DHS, right?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	But then he must hate the MAGA candidates, no?
	You would think he would.
	This is weird.
	I haven't heard this cut yet, so I'm taking my life in my hands.
	We're trusting Mr.
	G. This is Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security, Jett Johnson, on Pete Hegseth, decorated combat veteran cut for.
	But you have said that you'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
	Why?
	I give him the benefit of the doubt on at least the nomination at this point, because here's somebody who is well-educated, obviously intelligent, was in financial services, was in the Wall Street community for a while, could have made a lot of money, and chose to leave that, put on the uniform of our country, and seek combat.
	So I give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason.
	Wow.
	We found a decent Democrat in the public eye.
	Well, of course, on the Republican side, the putative side, the rhinos don't have as much decency as Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security.
	John Bolton on the President's picks for Director of National Intelligence and for the Attorney General.
	Cut six.
	Sir Tulsi Gabbard, what are your thoughts this morning?
	Well, I thought it was the worst cabinet-level appointment in history until they then heard about the Matt Gaetz appointment.
	I don't know what to say to that, except...
	Eric, didn't he announce that he's running for president on British television like a year and a half ago?
	Yeah, he must have resorted to the same bold strategy as President Trump of not attending any of the debates for some reason, because he announced his candidacy and everything, but we never saw him on the debate stage or on any of the primary ballots, for that matter.
	What happened?
	I mean, if you're running for president, shouldn't you, like, run for president?
	Yeah, you should have a campaign, a staff.
	Oh, that would mean he'd have to pay his staff then, so that's probably why he didn't want to do it.
	Now, here's a tough question.
	Who's worse, him, John Bolton, or Trey Gowdy?
	That's a tough one, Eric, right?
	I actually, if you want me to choose, I think Trey Gowdy's worse.
	Because?
	Because he let Hillary Clinton off after Benghazi?
	A, yes, but B, he fooled a lot of, you know, service, the Fox News crowd to think, oh no, he's good!
	He's just like, you know, Jim Jordan, except he literally wasn't.
	So, you want more proof that Trey Gowdy, the person who had Hillary Clinton in front of him for 18 hours in the Judiciary Committee, who'd got nowhere?
	Absolutely.
	If I had Hillary Clinton under oath for 18 hours, she'd probably end up in prison because of the perjuries she committed, or what I would force her to admit to.
	But no, no, no.
	Trey Gowdy thinks it's far more important to attack President Trump's choice for the Attorney General.
	No, seriously.
	Cut nine.
	I give the president tremendous credit, John Radcliffe, Mike Walsh, others absolute A-plus picks.
	The more you get to know Pete Hexeth and Tulsi Gabbard, the more you're going to like her.
	The more you get to know Matt Gaetz, the less you're going to like him.
	I'm going to be really surprised if he can get confirmed.
	Why would you attack President Trump's choice for attorney general?
	Do you have something to hide, Trey Gowdy?
	Is it more than just jealousy?
	Is it the fact that you are limited to simply now and again being a guest on Fox News?
	That your political career is dead and if you wrote a book, nobody would care that you wrote a book?
	Mr.
	G, what motivation could Trey Gowdy have for publicly attacking, the same day it happens, President Trump's pick for the Chief Law Enforcement Officer at the Department of Justice?
	Because he's still working for the establishment like he was when he was in Congress.
	That's why.
	Is there any way to find out what kind of greasy deals he has from D.C. lobbyists?
	I don't know.
	His LinkedIn page just says GOP establishment.
	That's exactly what he is.
	But does he not realize what he looks like to MAGA voters?
	That's the interest.
	I don't think he cares.
	He's gotten away with it this long.
	I think you're right.
	So here's the reality for the next two years.
	We've got a new leader for the Senate.
	Mitch is gone.
	We have the House.
	It's tight.
	We've got people like Matt Gaetz, Elise, Mike Waltz, National Security Advisor, leaving their seats.
	Matt Gaetz has already resigned from Congress, and there will be a special election.
	But these are in safe Republican districts.
	But the big question is really the Senate.
	America has spoken.
	There is no doubt.
	From the Bronx to Texas, they've spoken.
	It's America first.
	It's MAGA, not just in the Electoral College, but in the popular vote.
	There's one obstacle left, one caucus, if you will, one constituency, if you will, and it's the Senate.
	And what was it, Eric?
	Only 19 votes for Rick Scott.
	It wasn't a handful of people who voted for the MAGA choice.
	I think it was 13.
	Yeah, it was not a big number at all.
	I think so, yeah.
	Less than 20, whatever it was, less than 20 out of more than 50 voted for the MAGA choice.
	Will they get on the train?
	Will they support the President's pick?
	Matt Gaetz better get confirmed.
	We can go recess appointments, yeah, for a year or two.
	But the question is, is the Senate suicidal enough not to realize what you did?
	What is it, Thursday today, nine days ago, eight and a half days ago?
	It's the only question.
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	He knows Pete Hexeth, because I asked Pete just two days ago.
	And we are delighted to get his take on moving at the speed of Trump.
	The snake eater, who is a sometime guest host of the show, former Green Beret, Jim Hansen, welcome back to America First.
	Good to be with you, buddy.
	So, Elizabeth Warren in an interview said that this individual has no qualifications and she respects all our service members, including her brother, but seems to have forgotten that this is a combat veteran with tours in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay.
	How is it that a Democrat senator doesn't even know who Pete Hexeth is, Jim?
	You would have to be willfully blind not to know who Pete is.
	He has been such a dominant force supporting our military and pushing our national security.
	In addition to the fact that you mentioned he's got combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he also ran two of the most effective Military, national security, veteran support groups, Vets for Freedom and Concerned Veterans for America.
	I worked with him at Vets for Freedom.
	He helped make sure that the surge and the Sons of Iraq program was not killed by Democrats like Elizabeth Warren before we had a chance to defeat Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
	Pete's got tons of experience.
	Okay, and what do you say to those who say that, because this is the really big question for Pete, for Matt Gaetz, that, oh, he's unconfirmable.
	You live in this stinking cesspit that is Washington, D.C. I just said yesterday when I saw that chyron with Matt Gaetz and I just exploded live on air, President Trump just broke politics.
	Are we going to see the GOP understand that we're serious this time, Jim?
	Everybody is understanding that President Trump is serious.
	Will Chamberlain tweeted something on X that I thought was brilliant.
	He said, the first cabinet was a peacetime cabinet.
	This is a wartime cabinet.
	And he's saying it.
	Pete will be confirmed as Secretary of Defense.
	Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	He's a major.
	The Pentagon is already plotting against him, the woke generals.
	I dearly hope from your lips to God's ears.
	So tell us why Pete Hegseth, combat veteran, a man who understands the threats to America, a man trusted by President Trump, why he will be confirmed, Jim Hansen.
	Look at the people who are currently doing the jobs.
	When was the last war we won?
	These brilliant generals and admirals, the military-industrial forever war complex.
	What have they ever done but spend the blood of our young people and the treasure of our citizens to enrich retired friends of theirs?
	I'm sorry, they have no credibility with me or anyone else in the warrior class.
	Pete represents the warrior class.
	Pete knows how to win wars because he was part of helping win the war against Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
	So I don't want to hear any garbage from them about he's not qualified, they're not qualified, and they need to get out of the way.
	So what is the play right now?
	Is it behind the scenes?
	I mean, you know, you're the president at World Strat.
	You're an expert in information operations.
	Everybody listening right now has to follow you at Jim Hansen, D.C. If you're inside the bubble, what's your advice?
	Just sneaky, sneaky behind the scenes or President Trump says, these are my guys.
	Are you MAGA or not?
	We're going to see you in the confirmation hearings.
	What is the right play?
	Or give us a couple of scenarios, Jim.
	The Senate showed that they are not paying attention to the will of the American people by electing someone who is not behind the president's agenda.
	I'm not sure John Thune gets the message yet.
	This is probably the time to do it.
	We need to tell every single senator in that building that stepping in front of the president's chosen team with the mandate he got, flipping the states he flipped, winning the popular vote, would be a career-ending event.
	And I'm sorry, we're not going to allow that.
	We are here to destroy the deep state, to restore our republic, to close our border, to fix our economy, and bring America back to greatness again.
	And opposing that by stopping the president from getting his chosen team would be a grave mistake.
	But who makes that message clear?
	Is it the president's surrogates?
	Is it the president?
	Is it the MAGA members of the House and the Senate, all three of them?
	Who does that, Jim?
	You know DC intimately.
	Hey, Seb, why can't we all do it?
	At this point, I don't think there's any reason to hold fire on anything.
	This is vital.
	If we don't get someone like Pete in at Defense Department, we're not going to have a chance to do what needs to be done and what the American people voted for just a few weeks ago.
	So I think this is a time for everybody to write their senators, to go ahead and for the president to deploy every surrogate he's got, send everybody onto every television network.
	Elon should be busting this, and he is.
	You know, I think this is a full court press, and I don't think there's any reason to hold back because this is Donald Trump's chance to do what no one else has been able to do, to take back control of that swamp right down the hill from me.
	He's the author of Get Based.
	Follow him right now at Jim Hansen, D.C.
	Next, we're going to ask him what we have to do, what Pete Hexeth has to do inside the five-sided playpen and in our woke-ified militaries.
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	Let's face the obvious fact here.
	Matt Gaetz is profoundly unqualified for this job in any of the traditional, normal kind of requirement sense of what the Attorney General does day to day.
	This is the first step likely in Trump's revenge tour against the Department of Justice, the department that he bears such animus and such a grudge against for the way he believes he was mistreated by the multiple investigations targeting him.
	To my Republican colleagues, I offer a word of caution in good faith.
	Take care not to misread the will of the people, and do not abandon the need for bipartisanship.
	After winning an election, the temptation may be to go to the extreme.
	We've seen that happen over the decades, and it's consistently backfired on the party in power.
	So instead of going to the extremes, I remind my colleagues that this body is most effective when it's bipartisan.
	So what's the truth?
	Chuck Schumer wants to play nice now?
	I'm so confused.
	And what are the rhinos going to do?
	Well, I don't really care.
	We need a plan for what the good guys do.
	We are back with Jim Hansen, the author of Get Based.
	Get it right now.
	President of WorldStrat.com.
	So we're not going to give away all our plans, but we've got a good guy in as Secretary of Defense.
	We've got a good guy for the AG. Got another Green Beret for National Security Advisor.
	So just give us the big picture, you know, muscle movements.
	Where do we begin to get the military back to where it should be, Jim Hansen?
	Well, first I want to tell Chuck Schumer, no thanks, Charlie Brown is not going to run at your football again.
	We don't trust him.
	And McCabe's a criminal himself.
	Who's he to tell anybody what to do?
	The thing we're going to do is reverse decades of decline in our military that have been brought about by using it as a social engineering lab, not as a place to build warriors whose job is to deter our enemies by the fear they strike in their hearts.
	And that has to start at the top.
	So when you had Obama for eight years and Biden for four years, with Trump in there for four in the middle, that was 12 against four, three times as much time to destroy the military, to make it woke and broke.
	And now Pete Hegseth's job is to start building warriors and stop worrying about pronouns and pride parades.
	So, how long, how quick, because I'm convinced that the big stuff, like DOJ, the most corrupt places, Jim, it's got to be fast.
	It's got to be shock and awe, like Iraq in 1990.
	You know, first couple of days, first couple of weeks.
	I think there's going to be a mass self-deportation.
	You know, January the 20th, I think you're going to see all these swamp creatures.
	I told Brian Barr, you need to have exodus cam outside DOD and CIA. You've got to have swamp cam, just seeing all these guys self-deport from the swamp.
	But then when it comes to the military, look, Reagan did it after the Carter years, after Vietnam.
	Realistically, you've been there, you've worn the cloth of the Republic.
	How long does it take to get at least that modicum of esprit de corps?
	I know you and our friend Kurt Schlichter, you're on a lot of message boards and the veterans are super excited, right?
	They are fired up because they know this can be done, some of it, very quickly.
	The first thing you do is the commander, in this case the Secretary of Defense and the Commander in Chief, set the tone.
	They want to know it's called commander's intent.
	And Donald Trump has said he wants a fighting force by tapping Pete Hegseth on the shoulder and putting him in that position.
	He wants warriors, not wokeness.
	And Pete can stop that day one by ripping out all of the DEI and other woke garbage from the Pentagon.
	Stop it.
	Tell all those people.
	He may not be able to stop it from the funding perspective immediately, but he can tell them to go ahead and take their red stapler and head to the basement if your job is simply woke BS. Stop doing it.
	You are not allowed to do that anymore, and we'll fix it next appropriation.
	That sends a message to all the officers and NCOs and enlisted down the line that there's a new ballgame because there's a new sheriff in town.
	And then what about our military academies, Jim?
	What do we do there?
	Because the idea that you have somebody passing out on the parade, you know, at West Point with his Mao Tse Tung Che Guevara t-shirt and his communism wins in his cover.
	We've got to fix that as well, right?
	There are professors teaching woke Cultural Marxism at our military academies, and that has to stop.
	That's another thing you can do.
	You can just flat tell them those are no longer authorized classes and things to be taught at our military academies.
	You get back to studying how the officers and the generals in the Civil War conducted fire and maneuver, and you study the classics of history, and you study how to win wars, because we haven't won one in a long damn time.
	It's clear from the interviews Pete Hexeth has given that a new broom will sweep through the Pentagon.
	And maybe people like Jim Hansen could be part of that.
	In the meantime, follow him at Jim Hansen, DC President of World Strat and the author of the book Get Based.
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	The obvious fact here: Matt Gaetz is profoundly unqualified for this job in any of the traditional normal kind of requirement sense of what the Attorney General does day to day.
	This is the first step likely in Trump's revenge tour against the Department of Justice, the department that he bears such animus and such a grudge against for the way he believes he was mistreated by the multiple investigations targeting him.
	And then eight...
	I think choices are very good except one.
	Look, gates won't get confirmed.
	Everybody knows that.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Mics are up.
	Yep.
	Alrighty.
	One minute.
	Give me five.
	Five.
	One second.
	Meanwhile, I think it would be very difficult for them to just spread out across the country.
	They don't have enough manpower within the Department of Homeland Security in order to carry that out.
	So, look, I'm going to do everything that I can to protect our undocumented immigrants.
	They're residents of our state.
	Unbelievable.
	You went there for Homan, I figured.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's good.
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	Let's go to Antoinette!
	Oh my gosh, it is.
	It's Thursday.
	Happy Thursday, Antoinette!
	Can you believe it?
	It's the first day again and we've got Matt Gates!
	Yahoo!
	Super exciting!
	Super exciting!
	And as for Chuck Schumer, oh my god, the guy can go to, I'm sorry, bloody hell.
	That idea that now Chuck Schumer is calling for bipartisanship, That is such a bunch of nonsense.
	You think he's worried?
	You think Chuck Schumer's worried?
	Do you think he's worried, Antoinette?
	It's called the yes, yes, and I think so, Dr.
	G. He's been such a jackass.
	Oops, did I say that?
	I think you did.
	I think you may have said that.
	I think you may have said that.
	So what's the mood like in California?
	Well, I'll tell you, they do not like us.
	At Planned Parenthood, of course, this morning, where I had my trump garb out there besides protecting these babies, but what was very strange, there was hardly anybody there at first in the morning.
	That, to me, was odd.
	As finally, again, my other cohorts of we are for the voiceless showed up.
	But what's really, and something I've kind of been looking at a little deeper, LA County has Planned Parenthood, of course, well-ingrained in public schools.
	Here in Orange County, guess what they're trying to do?
	They're going to call them wellness centers in Orange County, and they're going to try to sneak them into the public schools.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Say that again?
	They're going to do what?
	They're going to try to put them in the public school system here in Orange County.
	Abortion clinics.
	Oh, no.
	They're going to be called wellness centers, Dr.
	G. So then they can do the transition nonsense and, of course, with the stupid Gavin Newsom with his AB 1955 that you don't have to tell parents what you're going to do.
	Everything's a secret.
	So there's two centers they've opened up already and snuck in.
	So in Anaheim and in Orange, we've got to stop this.
	Warrior Women of California, we can't let this happen.
	L.A. is so lost.
	Orange County, they're going to try to sneak it in, so we've got to be really, really on our toes, ladies.
	Please.
	Yeah, that's what they're going to do, Doctor.
	The fight continues.
	The fight continues.
	Breaking news.
	This is a source.
	Thank you, Antoinette.
	God bless Voice for the Voiceless.
	This is not a confirmation.
	It's not from Mar-a-Lago, not from the president's Twitter feeds or from Truth Social.
	President Trump is going to tap...
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	for HHS secretary.
	That was Ben Carson, right?
	That was Ben Carson in the first Trump administration.
	No, that was HUD, right?
	That was HUD. So a Health and Human Services secretary.
	Wow.
	Jeff, which is going to make the left blow up more?
	Is it going to be Matt Gaetz or Bobby at Health and Human Services?
	Yeah, I'm not ready to go on this, though, because there's been also a bunch about Ben Carson.
	You know what I mean?
	I saw that.
	Yesterday, Ben Carson was like the top name.
	Yeah, a couple times.
	So, we'll see.
	I'm not exactly sure.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Let's continue.
	Jeremy, Colorado, line two.
	Hello, Dr.
	Gorka.
	Hey.
	Thanks for what you do.
	Just a quick comment and a question for you.
	So, thinking about John Thune...
	I sure hope he holds true to his word and he does not hold back appointments and just do other things to slow the process down.
	We'll just see what happens.
	But, you know, it bothers me.
	We're supposed to have transparency.
	So this is interesting.
	I heard Dan Bongino just rail against this, that the vote for the leader is secret.
	And he said, why is it secret?
	You represent us and why can't you do it out in the open?
	And I kind of like thought, hang on a second, we vote in a secret ballot for an election.
	But then I thought about it.
	They should be held accountable to each other.
	So you agree with Dan that this should not have been a secret vote for the leadership?
	It's not that I disagree.
	I see his point and the point you just made.
	I understand that.
	But, you know, I'm thinking about me, we the people.
	And then, all right, so I'm done with that.
	A question for you, Dr.
	Gorka, since I've always been a fan.
	Has President Trump asked you to fill any of these remaining cabinet or lesser appointment positions?
	Because I think you'd be fantastic.
	Would you consider it?
	Well, that's very kind.
	That's very kind.
	As I've said on numerous occasions, if a president asks you to work for him, it's not an honor.
	It is an honor and a duty.
	So, Jeremy, thank you for your very kind vote of confidence.
	Most kind.
	Did I evade that subtly or not?
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	That's a...
	I wonder if Carson's gonna get something now.
	I hope so.
	NIH will probably be decent for him.
	Yeah, but that's a lot of work.
	I'm not sure he wants something that's that much work.
	True.
	I mean, he was a secretary last time, and I'm sure a secretary...
	Yeah, but housing and urban development, it's not like running NIH. NIH has hundreds of entities.
	You've got to supervise.
	You know what it is, too, between Gabbard and RFK specifically?
	The Dems are so mad because they were literally in their party.
	These were Democrats, and they chased them away.
	Yes, right.
	They're being slapped in the face with it.
	Yeah, they can't stand that.
	They can't stand that.
	It's like how Kamala kept promising she was going to pick Liz Cheney for something.
	I'm sure this was, like, for the endorsement, but...
	What?
	The RFK thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'll take it.
	We've played nine, right?
	Yes, in the opening monologue we did.
	We've played two, we've played three, seven.
	We haven't played Kinzinger and McCarthy yet.
	Okay, we'll save that for Marlowe.
	Okay.
	That was also Fetterman.
	Thank you.
	America First MAGA-nificent.
	You know, sometimes the broken clock tells the time correctly, like twice a day.
	From Pennsylvania, Senator John Federman.
	Cut 11!
	I mean, I would describe it as God-tier level trolling to just trigger a full-on China syndrome to own the libs in perpetuity.
	China Syndrome, if you're a little bit young, is the meltdown, right?
	China Syndrome for a Three Mile Island.
	Melt the libs forever, Jeff.
	What's with Fetterman?
	How come sometimes he just kind of says something that's true?
	That he's come out with some reasonable points lately?
	Yeah.
	Well, you do remember two years ago when he disappeared, he went to Walter Reed for a mental health crisis.
	Right.
	Maybe they fixed him up a little bit.
	Do you think they gave him like a MAGA brain?
	They did something, because now at least 10% of the time he has a good point.
	Eric, it's like that movie, Young Frankenstein, when they swap the brains and they get the wrong brain.
	They get Abinormal's brain.
	Maybe they gave Fetterman a MAGA brain.
	What do you think?
	I think that's very likely.
	And the tell is, look at that video.
	Look at the little smirk on his face as he's talking.
	The little smirk.
	Absolutely.
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	Let's go to Mike in Ohio.
	Hey, thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I just wanted to say, I think Ben Carson should be in the Surgeon General position, shouldn't he?
	Oh!
	Oh, that is really good.
	That is excellent.
	And he'd probably look really good in that uniform, don't you think?
	Well, better than the, you know, preacher.
	The clowns before that.
	Yeah, I think that's interesting.
	You never hear that being, you never hear that kind of being when you talk about cabinet appointments, presidential appointments.
	Nobody ever really talks about that position, do they, Mike?
	No, I thought it was odd when they put him in charge of HUD before.
	I thought the Surgeon General would have been the obvious first choice.
	What are the requirements?
	Sorry I profess my ignorance, but Eric, do you know what the requirements are for Surgeon General?
	Is it a presidential appointment?
	I'm pretty sure it's just a presidential appointment, not Senate confirmed.
	Dude, Mike, stay on the line.
	That is just so good.
	Let's give him one of the Kamala Your Fight t-shirts.
	He gets to choose the gray, the white, or the red.
	But that is an ex.
	Wow, Ben Carson.
	Could you imagine just how cool, collected, calm he would be with the pronouncements from the surgeon?
	I'm going to actually...
	I think that's great.
	I think we have to have a couple of tweets about that.
	Oh, by the way, yesterday, Jeff, that discussion about FBI director, of course I looked it up.
	It's a 10-year appointment.
	Yeah, unless he's fired.
	Unless, yeah, or he resigns.
	So what's your prediction?
	Is Ray going to quit?
	Oh, of course he's going to quit.
	Jack Smith, too.
	Bye-bye before January the 20th and the inauguration.
	First hour down, second hour opened.
	You don't want to miss it.
	Tom Homan,
	the Borders are... ... And the Borders are... ... And
	this has to be sent to Cassio Stat, okay?
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	it would be very difficult for them to just spread out across the country.
	They don't have enough manpower within the Department of Homeland Security in order to carry that out.
	So, look, I'm going to do everything that I can to protect our undocumented immigrants.
	They're residents of our state.
	Undocumented residents of your state and DHS and ICE and CBP won't have enough manpower?
	Well, that's weird, J.B. Pritzker, because the American people have spoken, and the man they want in charge of the border...
	Is my good friend, Tom Homan.
	And we are honored and delighted to have him with us today.
	Tom, I imagine you've been rather busy in the last nine days.
	Yeah, you can say that.
	Are you excited to get to do what you've been waiting to do for four years?
	Yeah, look, I've been...
	I've been pissed off about this for four years.
	I've been on a major news network for four years complaining about it and how it can be fixed.
	So when President Trump calls me, he says, You can complain about it for four years.
	You want to come back and fix it?
	Of course they got it.
	So yeah, I'm excited to get to work.
	All right.
	I want to jump straight in with a question I always ask you at the end of all of our interviews for the last four years, because for me, it's about America.
	It's about stopping the brutal exploitation of innocent women and children.
	But I want to know, tell us the truth.
	What are you hearing about morale amongst the agents of the CBP HSI in terms of what happened Wednesday morning?
	I'm hearing a lot of positive feedback.
	Morales are skyrocketing.
	Retirements are being canceled.
	Transfers are being canceled.
	Terminations are being canceled.
	We're really excited that the men and women of ICE, the men and women of the board show, will get to do their job again.
	We're going to take the handcuffs off these guys and let them do what they do best.
	We've got a governor coming in, Christy Noem, who's been tough on the border at DHS. We've got the architect, my former colleague, Stephen Miller, in the White House as deputy chief of staff for policy.
	Can you give us a vision of what happens January the 20th, what you will be doing with Christy, with Stephen, for the president and the American people, Tom Homan?
	Well, we have several priorities.
	We're going to double track them.
	The first thing we're going to need to do is shut down the border and catch and release.
	And catch, we should have the power to do that.
	The president needs to get Mexico to re-engage and remain a Mexico program.
	He did it last time.
	By threat of consequences, I'm sure he'll do it again.
	We've got to get a third state of country to give this in place.
	But ending catch and release is imperative.
	We've got to expand the Border Patrol's capability to do expedited removals.
	As far as the interior, there's two things you like going on.
	We've got a mass deportation operation.
	We're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats first, but no one's off the table.
	I mean, if you're in the country illegally, you've got a problem.
	But we are going to prioritize the worst of the worst first because they pose the most danger to our communities.
	And finally, we've got over 300,000 children.
	That have been trafficked into the country by criminal cartels.
	The Biden administration released them, and they can't find them.
	They can't find over 300,000 children.
	So what do we do about that, Tom?
	We got to look for these children.
	We got to find them.
	I'm telling you, Sebastian, based on my career, many of these children are in forced labor.
	Matter of fact, we've already found some in forced labor.
	Some are in sex slavery.
	Some are living with pedophiles.
	So a lot of these children are living a life of hell.
	We got to find them and get them back with their parents.
	And President Trump's committed to doing that.
	So we got three tracks.
	We got to go down immediately.
	We've got Pritzker saying what he said.
	We've got the governor of California, Newsom, saying similar things.
	And we've got public reports from the left, from the mainstream, that the architect of the 2020 election shenanigans, the theft of the election, Mark Elias, is holding a war council this week in Washington with dozens of left-wing organizations.
	To begin the lawfare against President Trump and his immigration policy.
	What is going to happen when you, the people's mandate, and the President and Governor Noem's plans meet with the sanctuary cities and the sanctuary governors, Tom Homan?
	Well, you know, it's unfortunate that President Trump's been clear that we're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats first.
	It's just really shocking as a guy who spent three and a half decades as a cop, some sort of cop, law enforcement officer.
	We're the bad guys because we want to enforce the law?
	I mean, what has happened to this nation where the guys who enforce the law are the bad guys?
	The guys who broke the law.
	Entering this country illegally is a crime.
	Every illegal alien in this country committed a crime of illegal entry.
	But they're the victims, and us that want to enforce law are the bad guys.
	This is incredible.
	Look, if they don't want to help, then get the hell out of the way, because we're going to do it.
	It'd be much better and safer, not only for ICE officers and local law enforcement, it'd be safer for the communities.
	If these sanctuary jurisdictions will give us access to the jail, it's going to arrest a bad guy in the jail rather than not to go to the streets and look for him.
	And I'll say this.
	They don't want ice in their neighborhoods.
	When you don't allow us in the jail to arrest a bad guy and you release a bad guy, you force us into the neighborhood.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, you say one thing, and your very actions are causing more of what you find disgusting.
	So, look, we're going to do this.
	We've got a mandate for American people.
	President Trump's number one issue, American people give him a landslide victory.
	America wants this.
	There's no sheriff or governor going to stand in my way.
	We're talking to the designated Bordazar in the White House, to President Trump.
	Follow him at RealTomHoman on Twitter.
	Talk to us about what your expectation is, because Stephen Miller on my show said we've probably got about 40 million to 50 million illegals in America.
	If you add the gotaways in the last four years, we've got maybe eight plus another eight, so that's 16 million who came in recently.
	How are they physically going to be removed?
	How much of it can be Very stringent actions by you, by the governor, by the president.
	And how much do you think, if we just make it untenable for them to stay here, that it's going to be self-deportation, Tom?
	Well, we need to send a clear message.
	If you're in the country illegally and you're not a criminal and you think you're safe, well, you're not.
	And first of all, second of all, you need to know something.
	If you leave the country on your own, Then you can come back legally on a visitor's visa, a tourist visa, or maybe you have a U.S. citizen's job that can petition for you.
	But if we formally deport you, you've got a 20-year bar.
	You can't come back.
	You can't get a visa.
	You can't even get a visitor's visa.
	So it behooves you if you're here illegally to leave the country to leave other opportunities in the future.
	So that's number one.
	Number two, we've got to, and I've said this before, worksite enforcement operation, we've got to make that happen.
	Because if they can't get a job, they're not coming.
	People need to understand, nine out of ten people crossing the border, nine out of ten that claim asylum, lose their case in court because they're really not escaping asylum.
	They're not escaping fear and persecution from the home government because of racial and political affiliation.
	They're coming in for a job.
	And I understand that.
	But that's not asylum.
	And we have a system in place to come in legally to get a job.
	So, you know, we're going to remove these people.
	I said, you know, I did a show last night that said, well, you know, Tom, you know, why aren't some of these people saving a long time?
	Because here's why.
	We have millions of people across this border.
	They're demanding the right to see a judge.
	They're demanding the right to claim asylum.
	And we give them that right at great taxpayer expense.
	So that due process doesn't mean squat if at the end, The judge's order isn't carried out.
	Because nine out of ten will get order removal.
	If we don't execute those orders, what the hell are we doing?
	Take the immigration, shut it down, take the border patrol off the border because there's no consequence.
	You can't demand due process and ignore the final decision of the court.
	That's the way the law reads, and that's what we're going to do.
	We're going to force the law.
	But what about before that?
	What about the argument that everyone who was self-cleared into America by Mayorkas' CBP1 app, can we have a legal argument that that was not due diligence and all of those fake asylum seekers have no status?
	Because I think that's going to be the biggest weapon.
	Oh, yeah.
	And all these people, they did parole in place.
	Let me tell you something.
	Parole in place, they can be canceled by the president day one.
	So, they did a lot of damage to this country.
	So, yeah, you know, 7 million-plus that entered this country, they're on our list, too.
	And we're going to do what we can legally to cancel any sort of status they have here.
	But they didn't leave.
	And the vetting process was terrible.
	The CBP1 app and the CHNV where they're bringing thousands to the airport, in my opinion, it's illegal.
	And I know we've got 26 state attorneys suing.
	We've got to get back to the courts real quick, because I know the asylum and parole statutes read, and what they did is in violation of those statutes.
	So, you know, a judge in Texas already said, not only are they ignoring the law, they're actively violating the law.
	So people need to be held accountable for that.
	And all these people they brought in, they need to go home.
	He wrote the book and now he's going to do it as President Trump's borders are.
	Defend the border and save lives.
	God bless you, Tom Homan.
	I have been waiting so long for this day to see you back in the second Trump administration.
	Follow him right now at Real Tom Homan.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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	I can't believe it's nine days.
	It's like eight and a half days ago.
	That's insane.
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	Thank you.
	For that, we're doing it whatever the sanctuary governors say.
	Work.
	Doing whatever the sanctuary governor said?
	No, we're doing it, comma, whatever the sanctuary...
	Think of a better title.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Mass deportations, colon, the Democrats won't stop us.
	Mass deportations, colon, the Democrats won't stop us.
	Yes, that's good.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Beautiful.
	And then...
	Then monologue on Gowdy and Bolton...
	And also Jim.
	Who do Bolton and Gowdy really work for?
	Alright.
	And then Jim.
	Pete Hexeth.
	And the woke military.
	And the woke generals.
	Okay.
	and also the movie.
	Two and a half minutes.
	We need more swashbucklers.
	Alrighty.
	Alright.
	We're getting Alex up.
	We've got his book, right?
	Yeah, Biden.
	We're connected.
	Not seeing him on video yet.
	Hello, Mr.
	Marlowe, can you hear us?
	Marlow!
	If you're there, then we can't hear you.
	The person you are trying to reach is currently unavailable.
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	Please leave a message after the tone.
	When you have finished, please hang up.
	I got your reaction.
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	How long is it?
	It is...
	49 seconds.
	The person you are trying to reach is...
	I'll call this cut 12.
	Alright.
	Please leave a message.
	You said come in with it.
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	For this.
	Alright.
	It's Mr.
	Moustache.
	40 seconds.
	Alright, where is he?
	Jeff's trying to call him.
	Call him, he's not answering.
	10 seconds.
	10 seconds.
	Breaking news!
	The 45th and the incoming elect 47th President of the United States has just chosen Congressman Matt Gaetz as his Attorney General.
	Oh, baby.
	I know it's not suffice.
	It doesn't go with the accent or the PhD.
	I don't care.
	Because I'm just going to cancel the show, go home and have a big stinking cigar.
	Because, Horace, you join me, right?
	Absolutely.
	Matt Gaetz, Attorney General!
	I just think the whole DOJ is going to resign.
	They're just going to walk out of main DOJ right now.
	That's live radio.
	That's what happened yesterday.
	Jeff, did I shock you with my reaction to the news I was reading on the TV screen?
	I think we're all shocked, though.
	You're exactly right.
	It was live radio.
	It was perfect.
	As I said, President Trump has broken politics.
	We're going to analyze it with a man who's been part of the whole movement from the beginning in a moment.
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	Alright, I'm sure he's been grinning as much as I have for the last eight and a half days.
	He's employee number one at Breitbart.com with some big news for the Salem Network as well.
	Alex Marlowe, welcome back to America First.
	Dr.
	G, always a pleasure to be with you, especially under such great circumstances.
	We're going to talk about your big news in a moment, but I've got to ask you, you are the first employee for Andrew Breitbart.
	You are the editor-in-chief.
	You're the author, most recently, of a seminal work everybody needs to get, Breaking Biden.
	Did you expect the size, the magnitude of result President Trump got?
	Yeah, I did, to be honest with you.
	I'm one of the few people who did, I think.
	You know, you've got to dine out on it when you get one right.
	Dr.
	G, I've called some wrong in the past, though not many.
	But I thought he was going to win.
	I thought we'd know election night.
	I thought it'd be a big mandate.
	The math was there.
	The vibes were so-so.
	I was nervous to make that prediction, but I scrutinized the polls, I scrutinized the issues, and I had relied on all the things that I've relied on over the years at Breitbart News to keep us ahead of the curve.
	And I thought he was going to win in a really big margin, and that's exactly what happened.
	All right.
	It is now official by the looks of what I'm reading on the television screens live.
	President Trump thrilled to nominate RFK Jr.
	as HHS secretary.
	So it's not just a rumor.
	Looks like it's official now.
	Got to get your take to that little clip we played.
	I know Pete Hexeth.
	I was super excited.
	And then we get...
	Matt Gaetz.
	Fetterman says this is God-level trolling from President Trump and the libtards are having a permanent meltdown.
	That's a Democrat senator.
	How excited are you by these names, Alex Marlowe?
	Yeah, these are 10 out of 10.
	I mean, this is the Breitbart starting lineup here for me.
	There hasn't been one pick that's even been mediocre.
	Everyone's been excellent.
	I think this is going to be a team of rivals.
	These are all super smart people who have strong opinions.
	The cabinet meetings are going to be absolute fight club because not everyone agrees on everything.
	But I think they all understand that Donald Trump's the guy.
	He's the historical figure.
	And bringing his vision for America into prominence is a number one.
	That is the job.
	And I think it's going to be an incredible thing to watch.
	It could be truly historic stuff.
	We'll talk about what it looks like for the movement the next two years and then the next four years and the next eight years in the next segment.
	But would you just for a moment give us your take as editor-in-chief at the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart?
	What the Gates announcement means for American politics.
	He broke politics.
	I'm writing a piece for you guys.
	You'll get it later tonight.
	But for me, I think this is a historic message to the establishment.
	Yeah, I do too.
	This is absolutely 4D chess by Trump.
	Every layer of this saga is brilliant and beautiful.
	First of all, you don't need to be world's greatest lawyer or have a big, long legal history to do this job.
	Ed Meese did a great job at it.
	Robert Kennedy was highly regarded as Attorney General.
	These guys do not have long backgrounds.
	So there is precedent for this.
	The fact that Gates is a Trump loyalist is good.
	Trump appointed way too many not loyalists his first time around.
	I like that.
	The main number one job as a huge bureaucracy is swamp draining.
	Gates is a trench warfare expert.
	He's one of the best guys at it, period.
	He's going to do that.
	He's going to start cleaning up house.
	But, Dr.
	G, as I said to you on the phone yesterday, we were just chatting and yucking it up.
	This is going to be a self-deportation initiative by the deep state.
	They're going to have to fire themselves.
	Have you taken me up on my suggestion to have the Breitbart deep state swamp camera self-deportation footage outside DOJ, CIA? We've got to have some kind of...
	As the swamp is self-deporting themselves, there should be a feed at Breitbart.com.
	You're so right on this.
	We really should do this.
	There's something like a hundred-odd DOJ offices, maybe more.
	We've got to get them out in front of all of them.
	All the people taking their white cardboard boxes out to their cars.
	They're not going to be able to stand Matt Gaetz.
	They can maybe tolerate some of the other guys who are equally going to be skilled, but he repulses them.
	I played a clip on my brand-new show of Geraldo.
	Geraldo said he wants to throw up in his mouth over the Matt Gaetz stuff.
	That's the exact type of stuff that we want.
	Dr.
	G, these are the guys who got in the way of Donald Trump.
	We want the guys who will make Donald Trump's vision possible.
	But it gets better because he might not survive a confirmation, but that might not even matter because of the idea of a recess appointment, which until Barack Obama was rarely used, but Obama used it for routine appointments that weren't going to get through the Senate.
	So now the precedent's there and Trump can do this and he'll get another round of expert trolling.
	We'll talk about the Senate and the real test of whether they understand what happened on Wednesday morning with our buddy.
	Follow him at Alex Marlow, Breitbart.com, Editor-in-Chief.
	And he was just so, I mean, just the smoothness, like velvet mixed with taffeta, he said, and my new podcast.
	He just dropped it in there.
	We've got the news item.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	Super excited with regards to the announcement that Alex Marlowe has joined Salem with his new podcast.
	We'll discuss what his mission is momentarily here on America First, but make sure you are subscribed.
	We're going to talk about the Fight Club membership exclusive at Breitbart.com as well.
	But in the meantime, I mean, look, look what happened yesterday in this radio show.
	I still can't believe it was just yesterday.
	how do we keep abreast of the breaking news you've got to follow us we're on all the social media platforms that matter truth social facebook instagram parlay getter just look for seb gorker sebastian gorker and you can watch us this isn't just radio this is tv as well download the salem news channel app that's the easiest but we also have salem channels on roku on firestick on samsung plus and even pluto i love pluto there's a salem channel you You can see all of our shows right there for free.
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	This is America First.
	wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Thank you.
	I'm just.
	Whatever you got, I'm at your disposal.
	Oh, and I want to talk about the Senate.
	I want to talk about what the Senate's going to do, because I'm like, I think this is the ultimate test of MAGA. Yeah, I really do.
	I really do.
	I think this is a really big moment with the Senate.
	Let's get into it.
	Good, good, good, good.
	Have you heard about our friend?
	No.
	I haven't heard anything either.
	Kill the mics. Kill the mics.
	Kill the mics.
	China?
	Yeah, he's perfect on China.
	Good.
	And he's good with Venezuela, too.
	Oh, that I know.
	That I know.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So he rejects all the Bolton stuff.
	Good.
	God, Bolton is such a shit.
	Such a shit.
	So unbelievable that he...
	We just lost him.
	Yeah.
	He's one of the good guys for so long, and then he just completely lost him.
	Just ego.
	That was one of the shocking ones to me.
	Just bloody ego.
	The force of ego is incredible.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Really is.
	Three-five seconds.
	You said come in with ten.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and then we'll do Prager at the top.
	Yeah.
	Then I'm sending you something from Randy that we can...
	For this segment?
	Maybe the end.
	Okay.
	The End
	sex with an underage girl.
	I don't even know if you'd call it sex.
	Statutory rape?
	Uh, yeah.
	Look guys, this is not normal.
	I know, you voted for it, but this is a problem.
	Senate, you better stop some of this.
	Or literally...
	Years and years of norms and decency out the window.
	Being lectured by Adam Kinzinger on norms and decency.
	And by the way, when is statutory rape not sex, you cretin?
	Really?
	I mean, just these people...
	All right.
	I want to do something important before we get back to our guest.
	So, um...
	Dennis Prager needs your prayers.
	We've had the statement from PragerU.
	We've had the statement from our employers here at Salem.
	He had a very serious accident.
	He's being surrounded by his family right now.
	But I would like all of us to lift our prayers to our Lord and Creator to wish Dennis a speedy recovery.
	Alex Marlow, I know Dennis Prager means a lot to you professionally and personally.
	Yeah, I owe so much to Dennis.
	He was one of my first, I would say, mentors.
	First, when I'd never known him, because I listened to thousands of hours of his radio broadcasts.
	And then over the last, I would say, five or six years, I've really gotten to know him personally.
	And he's exactly the same person in person as he's on air.
	There's no one who roots for the rest of us in conservative movement.
	There's no bigger cheerleader for the people who fight for this country than Dennis.
	And he's one of the true intellectuals of our time, which is amazing when you know his background, where he was a notoriously terrible student and never did a minute of homework in high school and became an intellectual giant.
	And not only that, as a 20-year-old being sent behind the Iron Curtain to smuggle Bibles to Jewish dissidents in the Soviet Union.
	I mean, like, that's just legendary.
	He is legendary.
	He speaks, what is it, five languages, maybe more.
	He taught himself Russian.
	He taught himself how to conduct symphonies.
	I'm a big classical music guy, so he would always pick the best classical music bumpers on his show.
	He still does.
	And he's at the height of his powers because he's still on air with a great show, but he's also the invaluable PragerU, which one day will probably be more important than Harvard.
	Maybe that day And then what, he's in his 70s, and then he's headhunted by the Daily Wire.
	This is the power of conservative talk radio.
	This is the power of honesty and intellect at the same time.
	So please keep Dennis, Sue, and his whole family in your prayers.
	Let's talk about your new radio venture, your new audio venture.
	We have the headline from Radio Inc.
	Brian!
	White Bart's Alex Mahler to host daily podcasts on Salem Network.
	Hey, dude, I thought you had enough of a day job.
	I do, but I got to keep talking.
	I just can't only talk to my wife, Dr.
	D. It's not satisfying enough.
	She's amazing to talk to.
	So she's going to get a break.
	While you're recording your podcast, she's going to get a break.
	She gets a break.
	Yeah, and I'll be all talked out.
	I've been doing media hits today, so I'm going to have nothing to say when she gets home.
	So it's going to be...
	No.
	In all seriousness, there's a couple things happening here that I think are big, and I just thank you for the platform, and Salem has been an amazing partner so far.
	Subscribing wherever you get the show, iTunes, Spotify, we're on YouTube, which is really fun.
	Everyone's very complimentary of our producer, Misty, who's producing the shows for film.
	But there's a couple things.
	I feel like in this moment in time, People are connecting with hosts and with personalities on an individual level.
	And I've been behind the scenes pulling levers at Breitbart News, and I've been very content to do that.
	But you can see it with the way this election went.
	People are connecting with those personalities who are giving them a dose of analysis and opinion along with their news.
	This is the reality.
	And I live for that connection with an audience.
	That's part of what informs Breitbart and why we stay in the cutting edge, is we're the number one comment platform on not just conservative media, on any news website, and there's no close second.
	We love to hear from people who read us, and they give us feedback.
	And I can't just sit there at my desk and feel like I'm getting a full picture of where people are at.
	So I want to be out there sharing what I'm thinking about, but I also want to be hearing from the people who are the movers and shakers in this country.
	All right, so subscribe to Alex Butler's new show.
	Check out the Fight Club special content at Breitbart.com as well.
	We've got literally 30 seconds left.
	We're talking about this in the break.
	The final test of MAGA is not the next four years.
	The final test, the final hurdle is if the Senate understands what happened on Tuesday night and actually recognizes the double mandate.
	Do you agree, Alex?
	Absolutely right.
	Everyone in the Senate, I don't care if you're a rhino or MAGA or in between, the goal is to get Donald Trump's vision that was voted for by the majority of Americans winning the popular vote.
	That is your goal, to get that into law.
	And if you cannot do that, you will be primaried, you'll be chastised on shows like yours and mine, and life will get more difficult for you.
	It's not a threat, it's just a reality because we know what we voted for and we're going to get it.
	Is it going to happen?
	What's your prediction, Alex?
	Is the Senate going to do it?
	I always bet on the Senate to disappoint, unfortunately.
	But I feel like this movement has never been more powerful, the people in the Salem audience, the Breitbart audience.
	so I'm optimistic but I'm a pessimist until proven otherwise with the Senate but it's up to us to maintain the pressure that's why you listen to these shows you call in and that's why we are one team God bless you follow him at Alex Marlowe I'm Sebastian Gorka coming to you live from the relief factor.com studios relief factor as we speak is liberating over a million Americans from their daily pain I'm just one of them it's also People like Debron from Massachusetts.
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	To him and not to you.
	Oops.
	I had a feeling in my back.
	That's why.
	That's why.
	Alright.
	Okay, title for that one.
	Will the Senate betray President Trump?
	Mm-hmm.
	It'd be the stupidest thing, because again, he has recess appointments.
	He'll get them confirmed no matter what.
	Yeah, but they just think they're more powerful than he is.
	these people oh we did we do Casio He says yeah.
	Okay, good.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
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	G, one of our esteemed guests said something to me as he was leaving the studio that...
	We could have people on like, you know, not the loonies.
	We tried that Cenk Uygur guy who kind of wet his pants when he came on.
	Not lefties, but like anti-Trumpers or never-Trumpers.
	And he said we could get people like Andy McCarthy on to debate.
	A, would they do it?
	And B, what do you think in terms of the radio experience?
	It'd be alright, but Andy's not a real never-Trumper.
	He just doesn't like...
	You know what I mean?
	He's not one of the ones...
	No, he's not like Bill Kristol, but he was not on Trump's side for the last three years.
	No, definitely would say that.
	But I don't think he would come on, was what I'm saying, is to take the anti-Trump stance.
	So, but would anyone, anybody who's a real never-Trumper, would they, I mean, the Lincoln Project has been really quiet for the last nine days.
	Well, Joe Walsh came on.
	That was...
	I know, but I don't think he did very well.
	Yeah, I don't think so either.
	So you're a radio professional.
	What's your take?
	I like the idea.
	I just don't think Andy's the right guy because he wouldn't come out and say I'm doing the anti-Trump thing.
	Give me one guy we could try.
	Hey, do you think it's a good idea?
	Yes, I think you're going somewhere else.
	I think you're going to name a person.
	That's why I was waiting.
	No, if you think it's a good idea, give me a name.
	How about some of the DeSantis holdovers that still think the primary is going on?
	Are there any left?
	Yeah, Jenna Ellis, who decides the night that Trump wins to tweet out DeSantis 2028.
	I think that would be a good one.
	She doesn't realize that the primary is over yet.
	Eric, you're laughing.
	You don't think I should debate her?
	Or some of the DeSantis holdouts?
	That'd be a great suggestion.
	And you should start the debate off with one question.
	After the election, what excuse do you still have to be anti-Trump?
	We did have the biggest Republican victory in 40 years, and they're still whining and complaining.
	The Eric Swalwell cut.
	Was that yesterday or was I watching somebody else's show?
	That was yesterday.
	He really got a good message from the election.
	Okay, that's what Eric made me think of.
	Can you find that and play that?
	Because this is just...
	Just play it.
	It's incredible.
	We are going to be unified.
	And, you know, the message I've received from the American people is they want us to be a wrecking ball for them for anything that stands in the way of their hard work adding up to economic opportunity for them.
	So, Jeff, Kamala Harris gets wrecked by MAGA. And then Eric Swalwell says the message Americans have received from the voter is to be a wrecking ball?
	It shows how stupid he is.
	I mean, that is just the dumbest thing.
	There's other ways to spin it.
	That just makes zero sense.
	The message that we received when he wins every swing state and the popular vote for the first time in 20 years.
	Yeah.
	But there are people who are more dangerous than him.
	Andy McCabe, central to the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax and the persecution of President Trump, Mike Flynn, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro et al.
	This is what he said on CNN about what you did eight and a half days ago.
	Let's face the obvious fact here.
	Matt Gaetz is profoundly unqualified for this job in any of the traditional, normal kind of requirement sense of what the Attorney General does day to day.
	This is the first step likely in Trump's revenge tour against the Department of Justice, the department that he bears such animus and such a grudge against for the way he believes he was mistreated by the multiple investigations targeting him.
	The last line is the best.
	He believes he was mistreated because of the multiple investigations!
	Yeah, revenge.
	Revenge for...
	Eric, if he's having revenge, what is it revenge for?
	Revenge for, I don't know, didn't he get his pension given back to him or something?
	He did, he did, by the Biden administration, right?
	Yeah, that's his revenge.
	Political persecution on multiple fronts, and you call it revenge?
	Oh, Matt Gaetz's AG is going to be delicious.
	Line one, Roy Dallas.
	Yes, sir.
	Good afternoon, sir.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I'd like to bring this up.
	We need to tighten and heighten the security inside the White House, as Trump assumes office.
	We need to have all the White House staffers and employees be told that they must reapply for their job positions.
	That includes being background checked, Yeah.
	stop the leakers and we don't need leakers to compromise our country and the safety of our president yeah this is this is a serious topic Roy We need somebody...
	I haven't even discussed this, but it's a career individual who runs the Office of White House Security, and it should not be a careerist.
	It should be somebody trusted by the president, somebody...
	What's his name?
	Sean...
	Sean something is the president's lead Secret Service agent.
	The guy with the sunglasses at Butler...
	Who many are touting as potentially the new director of the Secret Service.
	Somebody like him, who the President trusts, needs to be brought in to run White House security.
	Not the protective detail, but everything else.
	The clearances.
	We can't be beholden to the bureaucrats.
	For the clearances and for understanding the security protocols?
	No.
	It's got to be people who want the president to be safe and to make sure that ship does not leak.
	We can't have what happened in the first administration.
	Thank you, Roy.
	Great comment.
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	are very good except one.
	Look, Gates won't get confirmed.
	Everybody knows that.
	Such an arrogant piece of human excrement.
	That's Kevin McCarthy.
	Oh, Gates won't get confirmed.
	Everybody knows that.
	Everybody who's a swamp creature, rhino.
	What are the possible scenarios?
	Let's go around.
	Eric, what happens if there's a standoff between the Senate and President Trump and his nominees?
	What happens?
	President Trump will just go for recess appointments.
	He already got all three of the Senate leadership candidates to agree to recess appointments.
	We need to get somebody, we need to get like Ken Kuklowski or an attorney or Pauletta back.
	Because I think given, depends when you do it in the Senate, in the congressional year.
	But if you do a recess appointment, it could be more than 18 months that your guys, like up to two years that they're in office.
	Right, Eric?
	Yep, up to two years.
	Jeff, what do you think?
	What happens when the immovable object clashes with President Trump and his agenda?
	Well, it's interesting.
	It is a possibility because MSNBC was talking about it today.
	And Obama did it 31 times.
	I'm sure they liked it then.
	But they said, but that went to the Supreme Court and they weren't really happy about it.
	So now they're saying that you really can't do it and the Supreme Court will go against it.
	Now the left doesn't like it.
	Yeah, now they like Supreme Court ruling against Obama.
	After he did it how many times?
	I think it was 31.
	I don't know if it was all cabinet, but just, yeah, recess people.
	Now the question is, and that's why I need a lawyer, is there any, Eric, do you remember, is there any limitation?
	They're not like an acting nominee who doesn't have the same authority as a confirmed one, is it?
	I don't think so.
	That only happened in the first room so much because of these stupid judges in Hawaii or whatever who just said, I don't like that Cuccinelli is in this position or whatever.
	And those were only brought through lawsuits.
	They couldn't go out of the way to just make those rulings on their own.
	Fascinating.
	This is the test.
	This is the litmus test.
	Because we've got it, right?
	House...
	We've got White House.
	We've got the Supreme Court.
	We've got the Electoral College.
	We've got the popular mandate.
	So the only thing that could be the fly in the ointment...
	Is what the new Senate leader and those holdouts who aren't on the Trump train do.
	The only message that needs to be sent to them is a very simple one.
	Your political future is measured by one thing and one thing alone.
	Whether you support the will of...
	Where are we at, Eric?
	Is it 74 million?
	What's the final total?
	We don't have the final total, right?
	Not yet.
	It's actually probably going to surpass 76 million.
	76?
	Mm-hmm.
	Because he got 73, right?
	74.2 the last time.
	Wow.
	Are you going to go against 76 million Americans?
	Hmm.
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	If you're the Democrats, what are you going to do for the next two years?
	Therapy?
	Therapy.
	We're all going to therapy.
	Why are we here?
	If you're a Democrat, all we can say is we hope that Susie decides that she's going to take a long vacation, that they hire some terrible people and make some mistakes to give us a chance.
	Right now, They have everything.
	They got the Supreme Court.
	They got the Electoral College.
	They got the House.
	Probably they got the Senate.
	They got the popular vote.
	And we're just sitting here with the dunce cap on.
	This time last week, we thought we were the smartest people in the world.
	We thought Donald Trump was an idiot.
	We thought his campaign made no sense.
	And it turned out they were smarter than us.
	And we don't have anything to say, you know, I can sit here and pretend I know something.
	Here's what I know.
	Everybody I know is miserable.
	Everybody's on these Zoom calls.
	Nobody's got any good ideas.
	And it's going to take us a while to figure this out.
	I'm not good at coming here and faking and pretending like that.
	No, we got whooped.
	You can go to the spa.
	You need a massage and a cucumber water, buddy.
	I agree.
	And a cookie.
	That's right.
	All right.
	All right.
	Have we found one sane Democrat who needs to go to a spa, have a cucumber, water and a cookie?
	The self-avowed communist Van Jones, former appointee in the Obama administration, saying the quiet part out loud, we got it bigly wrong, hugely wrong, but you're not hearing it from anyone else.
	I think across the pond there are a few people who get it.
	It did take a Frenchman to write the greatest book on America, Alexis de Tocqueville.
	Is he Britain's Alexis de Tocqueville?
	Let's ask chief political editor or writer for the superb Spiked Online.
	It's been too long.
	Brendan O'Neill, welcome back to America First.
	Hey, Seb.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing lovely.
	I'm doing just superb.
	I can't believe it's only been nine days since the president was re-elected.
	Let me start by this.
	What is the reaction on the other side of the pond?
	Is there a mainstream media meltdown?
	Is the BBC tearing their hair out?
	Or have people understood that 74 million Americans re-electing my former boss is democracy?
	There's a meltdown.
	They are having a meltdown.
	And I have to say, I am enjoying it.
	It is such good fun to watch.
	You know, what's really interesting about the meltdown over here is that they are so cut adrift from society, these people.
	They have no understanding at all how ordinary people are thinking, why ordinary people might be ticked off with the democratic establishment and the old establishments more broadly in the Western world.
	They have no understanding why people are angry, why they want change, why they went for Trump again.
	And it's that cluelessness and that aloofness that I find most grimly intriguing.
	They simply cannot believe that 74 million good American people voted for Donald Trump.
	And I love the fact they can't believe it.
	It really proves how much they've lost the plot.
	Now help me out here, because this is the land of my birth, and I spent my first 23 years there, and there was always an elite, and of course there was the remnants of the aristocracy, the royal family, what have you, but when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, There didn't seem to be this hermetic separation from the elite and the working class.
	I mean, Michael Foote may have had a strange hairdo, but I think he understood what it took to live as a miner or to work with your hands.
	And the likes of Maggie Thatcher, as the daughter of a shopkeeper likewise, didn't live in some rarefied bubble.
	You're a little bit younger than I am, I think, but what is the mechanics?
	Because we're seeing this on both sides of the Atlantic, that we have the Democrat Party, who say they're of the left, say they represent the little guy, say they represent the working class, and then the campaign we now found out is about giving Oprah literally a million dollars for a soundbite.
	We now find out that the Reverend Al Sharpton got a $500,000 gift to his foundation just before he interviewed Kamala Harris.
	The idea that you're quote-unquote from the left and you're literally hanging out with billionaires like Beyoncé, what happened to the political elite that they so separated themselves from the real world, Brendan?
	You know, that's the million dollar question.
	That's the question that I think the left across the West needs to ask itself.
	How did it become so dislocated from ordinary working people?
	You know, how did they create a situation where these working class people would far rather take a punt on a billionaire property magnate, a real estate magnate like Donald Trump, rather than the Democratic Party that they might have been voting for for decades, for years and years?
	That's the question.
	And I think, you know, if you look at the makeup of the Democratic Party today, and it goes for the Labour Party here as well, increasingly the operatives in that party come up through think tanks and businesses and the legal world and the academic world.
	They come up through these fairly rarefied institutions.
	They don't come up in the way they used to, which was through local organizations, maybe trade unions, Maybe local newspapers.
	They don't have the same association with ordinary people that they used to.
	They are a very aloof class of people.
	And that's one reason why they have such eccentric beliefs.
	That's one reason why they think that you can have a penis and be a woman.
	They believe the craziest things precisely because they're so removed from the kind of well of common sense in society.
	I think, you know, what I've come to realise over the past few years, because I've been arguing for some time, that the Democrats and the Labour Party and other left-wing institutions are removed from ordinary people.
	But what's become clear is it's far worse than that.
	Not only do they not understand ordinary people, they hate them.
	They hate the working classes with a passion.
	You see it over here, the way in which Labour officials look down their noses at Brexit voters.
	They refer to them as gammon.
	Can I explain this?
	Because my buddies on trigonometry who you know so well, Francis Foster and Constantine Kirsten, they always talk about this relatively new insult of gammon.
	What is that, Brendan?
	Gammon is a reference to red-faced working-class men, working-class men who've got red faces either because they've been working outdoors their whole lives or because they're a bit angry about where politics is going.
	So they get referred to as gammon, which basically means pig meat.
	The left is referring to them as pig meat.
	It's so unbelievably offensive.
	And then, of course, in the US, we've had the democratic elites looking down on working people for a long time.
	You know, right back to Barack Obama and even earlier, Barack Obama infamously said that the voters of the Midwest We're good to go.
	So unbelievably insulting.
	They look at these millions of people and they just see a mysterious blob, a low-information gang of people.
	That's how they refer to them.
	New Yorker magazine sent one of its reporters to mingle among the low-information electorate.
	I'm not making this up.
	Like a Victorian anthropologist might have gone to study an African tribe in the old days.
	They sent one of their reporters to study this strange people who were voting for Trump.
	They don't understand Trump voters, they hate them, and they are increasingly wary of the working class itself.
	That's the shift that's really come to light with the second election of Trump.
	Let me drill down on this, because you're absolutely right.
	I'm going to play a clip of one of your amazing diagnoses after the election.
	But why the hatred?
	I can see kind of, oh, they smell or whatever, or I don't like them.
	But it really is.
	It's beyond disdain.
	It's utter contempt.
	Why?
	Where does that come from, Brendan?
	These are our fellow citizens.
	Yeah.
	It's horrible.
	It's really horrible.
	And the politicians I've mentioned there who've said awful things, what ordinary Kamala campaigners will say is even worse.
	They don't have to be as guarded.
	When I was in New York fairly recently, I talked to Trump voters.
	I talked to Kamala campaigners.
	What I found is that the Trump voters I talked to were very upbeat.
	They were positive about the future.
	They were angry, but they were positive about the future.
	They had a lightness about them.
	They were fairly confident.
	They were making jokes.
	They were playing a rap version of they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs.
	They were playing that on a loudspeaker to annoy all the Kamala supporters.
	They were funny people.
	They were good people.
	And then I'm sure millions of good people voted for Kamala Harris, of course, but the Kamala campaigners I saw and who I talked to were much more depressed.
	They thought that Trump was a Nazi.
	They said the world will burn through climate change if he gets back into power.
	They had this apocalyptic vision of the world going to hell if they didn't get their way.
	And as a consequence of that kind of depressive politics, they were very, very hostile to Trump voters.
	They saw them as idiots.
	They referred to them as people who weren't voting in their own best interest.
	Well, forget that.
	Forget that.
	Their president called them garbage, called those who vote for President Trump literal rubbish.
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	I am very happy about Donald Trump's victory.
	I say that as someone who is not an uncomplicated fan of Donald Trump.
	I have many criticisms of him.
	But this is the revenge of the deplorables.
	This is a revolt of ordinary people who are sick and tired of being called racist because they want border control, of being called transphobic because they don't want boys on their daughter's sports team, of being called Islamophobic because they have concerns about fundamentalism or radical Islam.
	They're sick and tired of being demeaned, defamed, insulted, ignored by the chattering classes and the liberal establishment for such a long time.
	And they've now gone to look for someone else who says he will listen to them, whether he will or not remains to be seen.
	But the fact that they voted for him, I think, is entirely logical in the political circumstances.
	I don't usually play clips of the guests when they are on the show.
	But since I played that before as one of the best diagnoses of what happened last Tuesday night, and we have the man here with us, then it's only right that we do so.
	Brennan O'Neill with Julia Hartley Brewer, who is smarting still a little bit from my former boss's victory on Talk TV.
	Nailed it, nailed it, nailed it.
	I want to continue where we left off in the first segment.
	I can't remember who wrote it, but somebody wrote in the last week that there's this liminal, catalytic kind of separation whereby one side is proud of their nation and is fed up of being told they should be ashamed of I think that kind of deep emotional spiritual analysis goes
	well beyond any policy thing of no tax on tips or what have you.
	How much of Brexit, of MAGA, of America First, is this function of average people of every hue and color just want to be left alone to love their country?
	You know, what a controversial thing to want.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	That is what is driving these voting blocs, these new movements, these revolts of ordinary people against the establishment, against the democratic establishment.
	I think that's what's driving it.
	It's a sense of pride in the nation, really sick and tired of this top-down instruction from the elites that they should They hate American history, that they should think America was born from the sin of slavery rather than from the revolution of democracy.
	They're constantly having a finger wagged at them to be embarrassed of their own nation, embarrassed of their own way of life, to check their white privilege, to learn all the new politically correct language, to wear a pronoun badge.
	They're told these things all the time, and they're sick and tired of it.
	They've had enough of it.
	I think the MAGA movement and the working class people who are really getting behind it, it's really about two things.
	Firstly, restoring the nation, because you can't have a functioning nation with porous borders.
	It just doesn't work.
	Can we stop there for a second?
	I talked to my friends who, because they're successful on social media, hobnob with the quote-unquote elite in 10 Downing Street and what have you.
	I hate to sign naive, but Brendan, how does anybody think who has a triple-digit IQ, who's involved with politics and policy, that not having borders...
	Will not be a political act of suicide for your party.
	I mean, you can maybe, if you're an idiot, play with the idea for a month or two.
	But when you realize that people actually want to have borders, how do they maintain?
	I mean, what is it, five prime ministers who promised to do something and didn't?
	And then we have 20 million illegals let in under Harris as the borders are.
	How?
	How do people think that they will be untouchable on this issue and it won't affect them on the long run?
	It's that cluelessness, again, because what these political elites, you know, they benefit from this kind of immigration because the migrants coming in work for them and do menial labor for them and serve them their coffee in the coffee shops in central London every morning.
	And fix their toilets and look after their children.
	They are menial laborers for the upper classes.
	But for ordinary working class people, this influx of illegal migrants, this huge number of people crossing the border when they shouldn't be, they're a threat to wages.
	They potentially will drive down working people's wages or take working people's jobs.
	So they see it as a far larger problem.
	And again, it speaks to that huge gap Between the experience and the beliefs of working class people and the experience and the beliefs of the upper classes, that's really what's driving the stupidity of the political elites when it comes to the question of immigration.
	Of course, the other thing is that, you know, the only power the ordinary person has is the right to vote.
	That's really fundamentally, it's the core power they have.
	It's the real meaningful clout they have in a democracy.
	So they really value it.
	They really value democracy.
	And they know that if you have a porous border, and if you say, anyone can come to America, anyone can come to Britain, we'll be a stopover for anyone in the world.
	They know that that weakens the idea of the nation state and that it weakens the idea of democracy.
	They're well aware of that.
	So I think ordinary people are cutting in onto the fact The poorest borders is having a depressive impact on their living standards and also a depressive impact on the value of democracy itself.
	And that's what I think people are angry about.
	Yeah.
	And the worm is turning on both sides of the Atlantic.
	People have had enough with being lectured at, being called stupid, racist, deplorable, bitter clingers or garbage in the case of the current incumbent Joe Biden.
	Brendan O'Neill is the author of After the Pogrom.
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	The people of the UK said it with 17.5 million votes, the greatest vote ever in their history.
	We're leaving the socialist project that is the EU. That made it possible for MAGA and America First to occur here in the United States.
	What does the future hold beyond that?
	We will continue the discussion here on America First with me, your host Sebastian Gorka.
	How do you like my garbage truck?
	This truck is in honor of Kamala and Joe Biden.
	Brendan, it's hard to pick in the last year what is the moment when it all changed.
	Was it putting on the penny at McDonald's and going to the Fry Station, handing out the takeout at the window?
	Was it was it the fact that he not only drove the garbage truck after Biden said that his supporters are garbage, but he proceeded to wear the high viz vest for the whole rally afterwards and did the self deprecating humor of they tell me but he proceeded to wear the high viz vest for the whole rally These things are what they call what retail politics.
	But at the end of the day, aren't they also a mark of authenticity?
	They don't take him.
	He doesn't take himself too seriously.
	And it's a garbage truck.
	It's a you know, it's it's it's it's the working class.
	And he's not ashamed to be at the fry station or in the truck.
	How important were these moments in your assessment as the chief political writer for Spiked?
	Incredibly important.
	And when it comes to the question of what was the moment that swung it, I'll tell you what was the moment that swung it for me, was when he got out of the garbage truck, as you say, wearing the high-vis vest, as we can see, and dancing to YMCA. I just thought to myself, here we have a presidential candidate in a high-vis vest who's just been driving a rubbish truck, and he's now dancing to...
	Why?
	Why?
	Are you a big fan of the village people?
	Why was that the seminal moment for you?
	I was just going to say, you know, it used to be a gay anthem.
	Now it's become the Trump anthem.
	And I just thought it was such a surreal and brilliant spectacle to see him doing that.
	And I think you're right that It really did speak to the fact that he's not afraid to connect with those kinds of people.
	As you said earlier, you had Kamala Harris giving millions of dollars to already filthy rich celebrities to say a few words in her favor.
	Then you had Donald Trump driving around in a garbage truck and working at a McDonald's.
	Talking to ordinary people who do those jobs, those incredibly important jobs.
	I didn't think of the dancing afterwards to YMCA, but I don't know if you ever went to any of the rallies while you were here.
	I want to dwell on this difference between the Democrat voters and the Trump supporters.
	I've been to several rallies.
	I was there at Butler for the redo.
	They're all really, I mean, everybody's beaming, everybody's happy.
	How much of a dividing line is that?
	That it's not Dua people saying, the world's on fire and the Nazis are here, as opposed to people who are having fun and dancing to YMCA. Isn't that also another dividing line?
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, we saw the same thing around Brexit as well, because the Remainer elites, they promoted their side through Project Fear.
	It was referred to widely as Project Fear, where their only argument was, if we vote to leave the EU, this country will go to hell in a handcard and Nazism will return to Europe and it will be like the 1930s.
	Such an uninspiring, dispiriting message.
	Whereas on the Brexit side, people were upbeat.
	They were saying, look, Britain's a good country.
	It's a great country, in fact, and we can run our own affairs.
	We don't need advice from unelected suits in the European Commission.
	And I saw some of that spirit of optimism in the Trump voters I met.
	They had a real lightness about them, as I was saying.
	They were funny.
	They were entertaining.
	Of course, they were angry as well, and they were really worried about rising prices and potentially losing their jobs and all these other economic problems.
	But they were optimistic.
	They were confident that they could change America, and they were confident that they could make America great again.
	And I didn't see that on the Kamala side.
	And, you know, you will remember she started off by talking about joy.
	You remember she tried to say, I'm the candidate for joy, whatever the hell that means.
	People can't eat joy.
	But then she shifted quite quickly when she realized that wasn't working to talking about Trump as a fascist.
	So she went to Project Fear.
	She used fear to try to get her voters out to cast their ballots.
	So one side was optimistic, confident, funny, carrying out these wacky stunts that really landed.
	And the other side was just all about fear and dread and the apocalypse.
	It's not surprising to me that Trump won.
	I love this.
	I love this.
	We already won.
	The good guys won.
	But you can't eat joy.
	That's a great, great bumper sticker.
	And it really was.
	The switch from, what was it at the DNC convention?
	Vibes!
	Enjoy!
	And then flicking the switch to the Project Fear, which failed.
	We're talking to our good friend Brendan O'Neill, chief political writer at Spiked.
	Go to spiked-online.com and follow him at Spiked Online.
	He's the author, most recently, of the tome, After the Pogrom, October 7th, Israel and the Crisis of Civilization.
	Get it today, After the Pogrom.
	It is not a political question.
	It's not even a national question.
	It is a civilizational question.
	We see something that said, take a look at what happened.
	What are we doing?
	So, Brendan, as commentators, show hosts, political writers, you and myself, we are documenting and living through history. we are documenting and living through history.
	So as a result, I'd like us to try and zoom out, open the aperture, go up to 50,000 feet, look to the future.
	Ah!
	The idea, and I still find it difficult, not just because I work for him, but because I'm an American citizen now, to talk about...
	The last time this phrase came out of my mouth, I caught myself.
	I said, the first time they tried to kill Donald Trump.
	And I'm going, what did I just say the first time?
	And I look at the last eight years.
	The man who has been pilloried, calumneed as a white supremacist, a neo-Nazi, as Hitler, as Mussolini, of course this was going to happen.
	If you have show hosts, if you have the current incumbent calling him a wannabe dictator and a fascist, I have this crazy dream, Brendan, that the political parties on both sides of the divide in all developed nations should love their country.
	I would like a Democrat party that loves America.
	We can argue about tax rates and this and that and whatever, but I'd like them to love America as much as we do.
	What is the future?
	Because I think you're a man of the left or formerly of the left.
	What is the future?
	Of the left.
	Because you've said it that when you came here, they're depressive, they're anxious, they run on the fuel of fear.
	That is not good.
	And I don't see any introspection in the last nine days of the Democrats here.
	We've had...
	Commentators on cable TV say, well, you know why he won?
	Black men are misogynists.
	And you're going, no, black men want to have a job.
	Black men don't want to be spoken down to by Obama being told the brothers aren't voting the way they should.
	If the left has no idea why they lost, this could get even uglier, couldn't it?
	Oh, absolutely.
	You know, the meltdown is fun right now, and I'm certainly enjoying it.
	But I think it's going to become something quite ugly quite soon.
	And in fact, that's already starting.
	As you say, the blame game is already being played.
	So they're blaming black men for being misogynist.
	They're blaming Latinos.
	I've heard the most repulsive things being said about Latinos who voted for Trump.
	I've heard them being referred to as stupid, as people who fell for the demagogic trickery.
	Sexist.
	You know, sexist people who are pulling up the drawbridge on their Latino brothers and sisters, really treating them as idiots, these dumb people who don't know what they're doing, borderline racist at times.
	And then, of course, there's been the usual attacks on white women and, you know, white women rejecting their black sister, etc., etc., all the usual crap.
	And it is typical of the Democrats to, instead of self-reflecting on all the things they did wrong, which is a long list of things, instead they just point the finger at ordinary people.
	They say, what's wrong with you?
	Why are you so stupid?
	Why are you so ignorant?
	That's essentially what some of them are saying.
	So they haven't learned any lessons yet.
	I don't think they will.
	I actually think the crisis in the Democrats is more serious than we realize.
	And I think they're probably going to double down on identity politics.
	They're probably going to double down on wokeness.
	They're probably going to double down on economic policies that hurt the working classes.
	And they're probably going to double down.
	Once Trump starts doing something about illegal immigration, they will go back to that question and say, he's a fascist, he's Hitler.
	I think they'll double down on all this stuff and lose even more support as a result.
	And then what happens?
	What happens if on January the 20th, with the inauguration, you know, BLM Antifa run rampant and run riot?
	I mean, what's the endgame, Brendan?
	You know, we've already seen protests against the election of Trump.
	There was one in London.
	I'm sure there's been one in other places, too.
	And I just want to say to these people, you know, if you are protesting against the fair and free election of a president by 74 million people, including many working class people, you're not a member of the resistance.
	You're a tyrant.
	You're a despot.
	You're an authoritarian who thinks that you should have the right to discount the voices of ordinary, hardworking people.
	Because that is the impulse behind these Have you heard the latest?
	Have you heard the latest?
	This is when you realize the desperation.
	I'm sure you picked this up.
	So now, and this isn't just fringe.
	This isn't just blue and on.
	This is, you know, people in the mainstream left-wing commentary saying, Elon Musk stole it for Trump by using Starlink.
	It's, you know, it's unbelievable.
	It really is.
	And, you know, people forget how Hillary and her supporters responded when they lost.
	She said that the election was stolen from her.
	She blamed it on the Russians.
	Jimmy Carter, God bless him, he said Trump is an illegitimate president.
	He said this in 2017, I think, and the Russians did it.
	So all that kind of conspiratorial thinking was there very early on.
	That contempt for democracy and the democratic process was there very early on.
	And I think it's going to intensify now.
	I think that what the Democrats and the left have to ask themselves is a very simple question.
	Who do they represent?
	Do they represent the credentialed elites and the billionaire class and the social media oligarchy, aside from Elon Musk, and the graduate elites who all have very eccentric and strange views that most ordinary people don't share?
	Do they represent those people?
	Or are they going to try and attract back the working classes who voted for them for a long time?
	Here's the problem.
	I mean, that is the decision they have to make.
	But the problem is, you can't attract back those who you hate.
	If you have contempt for them, you cannot hide contempt.
	You can paint a smile on, but the authenticity will not be there.
	As a result, If it's not a party or a movement taken over by those who actually respect their fellow Americans, it will be doomed to failure.
	And I absolutely guarantee you that.
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	One last question.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, and we're having so much fun one-on-one.
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	Alright, we are exactly on time.
	I've got two and a half minutes left to squeeze it in.
	Okay, so we'll just come in from the top.
	Last question, Brendan, and I could go on for hours.
	This is so much fun.
	These aren't...
	There's a kind of taxonomical problem here with whether it's Brexit, whether it's the rise of Nigel or Trump or Maloney or just...
	I hate this word populism because that's like pejorative, which is weird because getting popular support should be what we're about.
	But just the recrudescence...
	Of representative politics.
	The trouble is that the missing piece everywhere, Brendan, is this isn't about parties.
	You've used the word at least four times in the last hour.
	Movement.
	These are movements.
	They're based around issues.
	Illegal immigration.
	Charismatic figures like Donald Trump.
	Can this survive beyond just the movement version of reality?
	I think it can, but I think that is the question for the next stage.
	The question for the next stage is, what do these movements become?
	I think that's a question for Trump and his team, and they've got plenty of time to think about it now.
	They're going to be in power.
	They're going to be running things.
	It's a question for those of us who voted for Brexit.
	It's a question for some of the populist movements in Europe.
	I agree with you that, you know, what's wrong with being populist?
	All it means is having popular policies.
	The question, I think, for all of these movements that are tied together over sometimes quite disparate issues with strange alliances of voters, the question is, can we formulate them into something with more longevity, with greater strength?
	So when Trump steps down in four years' time, for example, and he can't be president again after that, Will the movement survive?
	Or is it completely dependent on Trump?
	Will other people rise up as well?
	So all of these questions are in the mix.
	But I think we can put them off for the time being.
	Because at the moment, I think we should marvel at the fact that there's been a revolt of the deplorables in America.
	There's been a pushback by people who are pissed off.
	They are sick of being demeaned and defamed and ignored.
	And it's so wonderful to see them stand up in this very optimistic way and say, we matter, our voices matter, and we're going to force you to listen to us whether you like it or not.
	That was superb.
	Can we get you back for another chat to talk about your book, Brendan?
	Yes, absolutely.

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